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I am Pandain, a young farmer who was became orphan from the turmoil of war and civil unrest in the wake of the Murray Incident. I have grown from a simple little farm boy into a succesful businessman. I ask all of you to vote for me, your mayor. A vote for Pandain is a vote for the pandas. A vote for others is a vote for Satan. I will always do analysis, and always try my best. Last game I got heaven on earth right, I coordinated blues, and I was very helpful towards the town. I know that game was not the best it could've been(notably the early spamming), but I grow. Indeed, remember that I take into consideration other people's voices as well. I will heed the advice of Ace, of Dr. H, of Brownbear, of all of my fellow Pandas. In addition, Nada has said he's my biggest fan. Do you want him to lose GSL because of a broken heart? In conclusion, Vote for Mayor Pandain. About the game: This game is quite literally going to be insane. We know no roles, neither town or mafia. It's obvious there's going to be a DT or Medic(unless LSB and Artanis really just wanted to make this insane). As for mafia, I would say there's a decent chance of there being a Godfather. But really, we just don't know. Hmm.... It's going to be hard to even know what roles there are without claiming(no pms.) Obviously we shouldn't claim*cough* Coagulation *cough* (<3). As for who to be mayor, we should elect an experienced person. Obviously there's the argument that that person could be mafia, but honestly it's either an inexperienced town/scum(bad either way) or an experienced town/scum(really bad one way, really good other way.) I think it's safe to know which one is best. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i wouldn't be surprised if anyone turned red since we're all equally likely to be red All wifom. Speculation on what the host did, and how he chose stuff. Theres even a likely chance he just RNG'd all the roles, meaning every discussion we have about this is leading us away from real discussion. For all intents and purposes, there is a 9/39 chance he is mafia. In addition, I think we can rule out the possibility of a third party based on this. On October 29 2010 09:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Thanks for pointing that out. Player amount updated: It is 30 town-aligned players versus 9 mafia-aligned players. As for the PM thing, it is in the OP. Mafia aligned, not just anti town or w/e. does this mean something, or is this just a general term? On October 29 2010 09:28 LunarDestiny wrote: DoctorHelvetica voting for Bumatlarge did give out some information about their alignment. If DoctorHelvetica is Town, then Bumatlarge is Town or Mafia If DoctorHelvetica is Mafia, then Bumatlarge is Mafia If Bumatlarge is Town, then DoctorHelvetica is Town If Bumatlarge is Mafia, then DoctorHelvetica can be Town or Mafia Don't fall into this trap. Townies easily make mistakes all the time, and mafia routinely bus people if they feel like it. Really the only time something like this would have a serious effect on the player's role is if 1. He was fervently supporting him 2. He cast a deciding vote on them Even then, it could still be a townie. He just voted for him, that's all he's done. (Vote for Pandain. Cool, calm, and collected. Sponsered by Chill.) | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:47 orgolove wrote: Pandain seemed pretty collected in the Haunted game, but many of his predictions were off. I'm not too sure about allowing him another chance to be wrong again, especially in a smaller game such as this. Such as????? I nailed Heaven on earth, and I definitely wouldn't have allowed a town circle to form such that there were only like 4 vamps left(one count dracula.) Inflitration should have been especially cautious, yet was never brought up in that game. I'm alright with electing someone else, but I feel I can really help. As for your roles.... keep that to yourself. Obviously they are quite interesting(or maybe I'm special {yay for vaugness} ) but as of now try to keep it to yourself. If you feel you can nab a mafia with it, or establish a CONFIRMED town circle, then reveal. But be cautious. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: btw how do we have a town circle in a game with no pms lol  | ||
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On October 29 2010 12:17 bumatlarge wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php# LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU. We also need to decide the first person to kill, which is often hard with little information. I say we kill a mayor candidate, as it might increase our chances, based on when and how they claimed to run. Of course they might not run at all, but with such ambiguity in what roles are present, you could really fake some nasty stuff. I wouldn't pass up that opportunity. Mayor determines first day kill. On October 29 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote: I'm curious how you would go about forming a town circle. Considering the PM rules. And there are no clues in this game, unless you mean something else like slip-ups. It seems for someone claiming they have such a keen-eye, you don't read the OP very well. I don't think this makes you scummy, you just don't stand out as an experienced player if we put aside how smart you will be as mayor. oh the irony + Show Spoiler + <3 | ||
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Pros and cons: Pros: -MIGHT find mafia -they can't change later -coordinate blues possibly Cons: Mafia can snipe off blues. Mafia can fake roleclaim easily. With no pms, it'll be hard to coordinate anyway. Now let's take a look at it in real circumstances. We mass roleclaim. Mafia roleclaim just some stuff, pick random generic roles(or just copy from what they see townies doing). The only way we can find out who's who is by checking with dt's. Unfortunately, we've already revealed them. So it'll be like the same, except medics know who to protect, but mafia also know who to shoot(medics/dts.) Basically they'll just snipe us off one by one, and at best they'll go through medics, and then go th rough us. If we're going to roleclaim at all, it should only be like one person at a time, in certain circumstances when you feel it will be EXTREMELY beneficial to the town. Be very cautious if you are thinking about roleclaiming, think: "Do you need to?" | ||
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On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote: bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning are you pro Bandwagon or Anti bandwagon plz explain As for this, what the fadoodle? Bandwagoning is NEVER good, townies should make logical decisions. Either this was a horrible attempt at fishing or your just a clueless scum :/. Hopefully the latter. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:08 bumatlarge wrote: Roleclaiming is especially bad in this format. Normally I'd put it at meh bad, but when you dont know what kinda roles are around, it's 99% of the time bad. Bandwagoning usually narrows it down. If someone wins by a landslide, mafia either doesnt care about mayor, or there is a mafia mayor. This puts enormous amounts of suspicion on them which is very bad for scum-mayors. Doesn't happen often or when mafia is very laid-back. Anti-bandwagoning is generally pro-town, as there are certain to be townies who ran for the position. It leads to more options for everyone and alot more analysis for town to do. If we are talking about lynching, bandwagoning usually means lynchee isn't scum, unless mafia are busing properly. You need to pay attention to who votes what and when. In this format, I'd imagine there is some role that can check some vote-list for mafia and such. Very strong role that is helped by split votes. I think it's safe to say that I'm generally anti-bandwagon unless there is good reasons. I believe he's talking about the nature of bandwagoning itself, as in, is it good to. And the answer to that is no, you should always be thinking for yourself. Your post referes to analyzing bandwagons, which is important, so I'll address it because I'm bored. Usually there are a couple reasons why bandwagoning occurs 1.Mafia orchestrate it 2.Townies are horribly disorganized and illogical(usually combined with #1) 3.Newer players just don't know In analyzing a bandwagon, you need to look at several things. Who voted who, if they had made any contradictory opinions on the canidates they ended up voting for (scum tell), at what time they did, how each vote changed the distance between two canidates in vote numbers. Bandwagons are just in general horrible, as they are formed from mob mentality rather than reason. If I'm mayor, this will never happen. We will go through over lynch with precise detail, with debates and arguments. We will get all opinions. This is a democracy, and I would be proud to be your mayor. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:13 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think we should steer away from the idea of mass role-claiming. That works really well in games where there are definite listed roles and numbers of players per role. This game is so ambiguous with the role list it would be insane for the town to start role claiming. There's nothing to check them against, and we can't even be sure we have the ability to check. With god awful plans like that I'm half considering running just to get people to wake up and discuss how we can organize the roles and who we want to be targeted or saved or infected. How should the mayor role be treated for the benefit of the town? Is it wise for us to cross our fingers and hope a legit DT (if any in the game) check the mayor to confirm? Will this result in 2 mafia members pulling the strings because of some misinformation? Should we have the DT (if any) create a circle and once again cross our fingers? Should the DT (if any) speak up the second he checks a mafia? What other roles are we speculating could be in this game? It's just some new players offering some ideas, all we have to do is explain why it won't work in this set up. As for your questions, right now I'm thinking this: 1.If you find a red, always claim. Medics will protect you and it'll be hard pressed for mafia to shoot you(even if they want to) since they know you'll be protected. So it's basically a win for town. 2. DT's can't create circles by themselves....however I'm thinking there's some ways to get around this 3.Dts and medics for sure. Vigis and vets very likely. Masons, mad hatters also possible, even likely with the large amount of players. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:19 bumatlarge wrote: I think that's a bit narrow-minded. Sometimes what you can draw from an outcome can be more enlightening as the outcome itself. Bandwagoning without reason is always bad, as if I just said "We will kill pandain today, that is all" But if I say "We should kill pandain because so-and-so said such-and-such meaning we can clarify this-and-that and our odds of winning are better." I don't think bandwagoning means without reason, I think it means everyone getting behind a vote for a reason, and sometimes that reason is perfectly justifiable, while most of the time it isn't. That's not bandwagoning, that's deciding. Unless you mean by bandwagon just a large group of people voting one person(rather than more than one), I can see that point. | ||
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1.What exactly does your role say or w/e. Unless you don't want to tell me yet. I'm trying to find out more about exactly how this role works. | ||
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On October 30 2010 01:34 annul wrote: for what its worth with all the masturbation that goes on in TL mafia about smurfs and hiding who you are, etc, you place a very high amount of stock on me "not having enough experience" i wonder, judge me on how i played in haunted: do you really think i lack experience in mafia? yes, i am new to TL mafia. no, i am not new to mafia, nor to playing town. Actually playing mafia would be much more easy than playing town. For example, you had already created a blue circle(which they shouldn't have done anyway since they trusted you so blindly), so really picking off people wasn't that hard. Keep in mind you often shot people who got saved and not always blues. Obviously you played EXTREMELY well and probably turned around a losing situation into a win, but it doesn't mean your'e god. Even if your town, I'm somewhat unsure as to how you will be at scum hunting, which is harder because you have less information. I'm not saying your not good, you are, but keep in mind your not exactly ver/flamewheel. Neither am I of course, but humility is something we should all keep in mind. (especially me :p) | ||
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To me, being mayor is more than just having protection. Sure, it's useful, and obviously a lot of us running might have valuable roles, but really what Fishball has is an unconfirmed circle, with an unconfirmed Fishball, the real power coming from the ability to pm. An extra vote IS helpful in mafia, and with only ~15 people in the late game is a very valuable asset, in addition he gets to decide the first day lynch. Finally, one possibly very important question: Can the mayor be infected with murrayitis? | ||
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Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.) As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial". thoughts? | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:02 Nemesis wrote: Actually he changed his answer into, players infected with Murrayitis all die when at least half the players have it. *sigh | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:09 Infundibulum wrote: A key thing to consider for all those saying that FB could be lying about his circle: He's still told us more about his place in the game than any other candidate. We know more about fishball than Pandain and Annul. Because FB has made claims, we can hold him accountable to those claims if it falls through after he is elected. Right now we have nothing to hold the other candidates to for being accountable, other than just playing pro-town. If I win I'll roleclaim. As of now I personally see no reason to roleclaim on the arbitrary measure of "being open." If I lose, and am open, then mafia(if in the chance i have a good role) will snipe me off. | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:51 orgolove wrote: Wow, I can't believe Pandain is getting this much support. Even bumatlarge is preferable to his "Yum Yum" crap - need I remind you that Pandain stoops at nothing, even going as far as faking a rolecheck on a blue into mafia, just so he could "lead a circle"? Don't give power to the animal. -_- Thanks for the biased report on me. I'll have you know that Jodo was playing very scum that game and based on pms with him I was 100% sure he was mafia. Unfortunately, he was just a very poor townie. I don't see where your getting at by this. My true problem in analysis lies in the distinction between poor townies and scum, and besides that I think I'm really starting to improve. And if you didn't like yum yum, you guys just had to say  . Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked. | ||
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Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words. | ||
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On October 30 2010 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: actually it's pretty bad for town to have fewer candidates Its even worse when several blues run claiming they are important..... since that means they're either mafia or going to get sniped off. | ||
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On October 30 2010 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: everyone is a blue in this game lol i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason read my previous post. valuable blue. I can offer proof as well, albeit it will be somewhat indirect. Are you sure you can offer 100% proof? Why can you not just do it now? I myself have a valuable role, however I do not roleclaim because I know there's a chance I may lose, and do not want mafia knowing what I have. | ||
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Alot of you have been saying I'm very transparent and can't lie very well, I guess that's good? At the very least, then I will be easy to spot if mafia. This is why I'm running for mayor. | ||
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I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it. As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me. Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game. If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading. | ||
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Pandain: 1. I can prove I'm legit if elected. 2.I'm apparently very transparent 3.Relies on open discussion and debate. Dr. H: 1.Can prove he's legit if elected 2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all 3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist. DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.) Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball. Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense. | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role. 1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert. 2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own. 3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle. Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills. I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply. I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that. I never implied you were operating soley in secret. I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons. I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle. | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it. | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it. Heck, even the so called "bandwagon" is an overreaction. What, like 5 people voted for me? Including myself? There are 45 people in this game, and people can change their votes obviously that early in the game. Again, be wary and form your own opinions. That is the basis of a good town. | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I agree. I know you never said the person should not be turned into the circle, that's why I asked you the question, Pandain. Because I wanted to know your stance. Why so defensive there? You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. What I highlighted is the bullshit part where you are implying I will do exactly that. Do you retract that statement? It seems pretty obvious what it is implying. Or did you somehow mean the opposite of what you said? Again, you are pulling a rabbit out of a hat when there simply was no rabbit to begin with. I never said you were SOLEY operating in secret, I was under the impression you would rely upon masons and pms with them. Obviously I have stated we are apparently under the same stance. Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. Do you? And what question? I'll happily answer any question. | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: shit i forgot to add this part to my above post You could correct me instead of saying something so vague. He is saying he is voting for you instead of the other two prime candidates which I take to refer to myself and fishball. If that is indeed the case, my point still stands. I'm not talking about that, sorry if I was unclear. I'm reffering to the fact you seemed to place a special emphasis on masons, but again, I think we're really of the same opinion here. As for the supposed bandwagon....I feel they gave sufficient reasons to warrant an early vote(and its a changeable vote). Afraid of fishball's circle having mafia, saying I'm apparently very transparent, and so forth. Alright, more posts. On October 30 2010 11:06 Fishball wrote: I know it's not directed at me, but I'm just quoting your post since you're the latest one to say something similar. Seems like a lot of people are getting this impression of the circle, which I've explained quite a few times, that's not exactly what I will make it to be. With DT checks viable to the Mayor, I even offered to kill myself and release as much information to the public to prove it. (Seeing that many other information have sunk into the vast ocean of posts, this is not surprising) It's also quite amusing, most of the people that argue against the "crazy secrecy of the circle", or just me in general "not being transparent" etc., never brings up these posts I've said. Keep in mind I was the first one to come up with such a claim. Fake or not, that's not the point and is for another debate, but I AM being transparent here. Here's the thing, I don't see why you have to be mayor for this circle if you have medic protection. I've already said I think the circle is a very good thing to have and we should use it to our advantage, but focusing around that will be very hard since there's a chance there might not be any mafia at all! What, are we going to check all 6 people? That's going to take way too long. I'm just confused about how you would go about that, if you could clarify. On October 30 2010 11:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You did not say I was solely operating in secret. But I still don't like the fact that you tried to lump me in with Fishball in the "secret society non transperancy" boat when I never said/did anything to put myself in that boat in the first place. I've said several times throughout the thread that I would do my coordination in the open, maybe you skimmed over what I said? If you don't even know my platform, don't call me out on non existent problems with it please. So, no I don't retract my statement. The question I asked you was "do you think it is a bad idea for mayor to be converted into the circle" you then answered it by playing it off as though I had accused you of saying it was a bad idea, when I did no such thing. So even though there is no basis for the idea that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent, you refuse to retract the statement that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent. Interesting pandain, very interesting. Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. I have in that one regard. And let's see what I said "Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated". Not "IS GOING TO BE GOING OFF OF ONLY SECRET CIRLCES" but that you seem to place an emphasis on that. Do you doubt that a pm circle which grows each night has a growing chance each night of mafia inflitration? Then what use is the circle at all! I noted you and fishball have a similar problem, but the problem/situation itself is different. If you look, I have answered pretty much every single thing you keep asking. I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles, I'm saying we should not RELY on them. Ver backs me up on this too, go read his town guide. The more you keep trying to pick at straws the more scummy you seem to me, if not others. If you are townie, be careful if you continue to attempt to continue attacking me, it will hurt your campaign. | ||
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I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!" Dr: H(previous) You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after) You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) | ||
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On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. | ||
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On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it. I believe the same thing about myself. | ||
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On October 30 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok Its irrelevant being mayor. Please, read my post. I clearly say "but do you need to be mayor? THEREFORE, the point is irrelevant" regarding the election. And I don't make a final judgement on your play, whether townie or mafia, but your arguments against me are poor, and rightly so given I have done no wrong. If I have, point it out, and see I have done nothing malicious. | ||
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On October 30 2010 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No it's not irrelevant because my being mayor greatly improves my ability to help the town out. How. Does your role say "if mayor my powers increase 10x" | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:05 Fishball wrote: To be honest, I do think all this debating is getting quite stupid and going in circles. Most of my replies have been mentioned before and it's just repeat and repeat. You never really answered this for me sufficently. Can you? Here's the thing, I don't see why you have to be mayor for this circle if you have medic protection. I've already said I think the circle is a very good thing to have and we should use it to our advantage, but focusing around that will be very hard since there's a chance there might not be any mafia at all! What, are we going to check all 6 people? That's going to take way too long. I'm just confused about how you would go about that, if you could clarify. | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Agreed. I think it would be a good idea for all mayoral candidates to restate their platform without attacking anybody else. It might clarify a lot of things and it would give everyone a chance to say exactly what they mean without it being twisted by mafia discreditors Agreed as well. yay for good election decorum!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:14 annul wrote: my platform is "i want bodyguards, i think my role is great for bodyguard protection" but i am obviously not winning this one. i dont necessarily believe drh yet, but i do not want to vote pandain because he lied, as a town, in haunted and i really dont understand that play whatsoever. if he lies as town why mayor him up? I lie when its neccesary. In that game I was goofing around because I got townie for like the 7th time. But even then, I managed to lead the town on a good direction until I died. Fortunately, this game I actually have a role! Also I'm getting sleepy and when I get sleepy I spam so sorry and won't post till morning. 'Night all. | ||
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As for that mafia vote, I think it's just a ploy to make people disbelieve him. This is what really stuck with me, why would they do that when they know he would already win? I think it's just a poor/desperate play. Don't let me down Dr. H., | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Not a desperate play. Why would mafia put their 1 useless vote behind their own candidate. The only sensible choice it to put it on the largest bandwagon in this case, especially if they can twist it to make me look bad. I find it odd you're trying to play down your candidacy now when it's pretty clear I've won the election at this point. Why bother? Idk... | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself? I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else. Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%. I don't understand why I'm under suspicion except for a couple facts: 1.Like 5 people voted me without a "sufficient" explanation. 2.I'm one of the running canidates. Obviously the second one is the most convincing one, as I severely doubt that mafia could just sit back and let town take the election. So that leaves Dr. H(to be confirmed), Fishball, Bumatlarge, and Me. | ||
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On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm more concerned with the way he just handed the election to me after it was clear I was winning, when he was so critical of me before, and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town? wut? Again, I really have been really arragont in this game. Without a shadow of a doubt, you ARE a better player than me. I was more concerned that I may have a better role and the fact if you are town you are a valuable asset(and you can confirm yourself as town.) I've passed myself off as expierenced, when really I don't have anything to back that up. I need to play some more games before I can earn that respect. Also my role can still only "indirectly" confirm me. You would understand but I don't want to give too much away. Plus the fact that you're winning makes it easier to concede :p | ||
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On October 31 2010 09:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Pandain can you confirm your role if you are not elected and if it is a role that confirms itself to a single other player I would request you confirm it to me. I won't roleclaim for you but I'll confirm your innocence to the town. I'm confused by what you mean. Yes, my role will work just as well without being elected, albeit this means I would request medics to protect me since I will not have bodyguards. The way I can confirm my role would actually sort of reveal my role. I would welcome DT's to check me, and then they can confirm who I am to the circle. | ||
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On October 31 2010 09:22 Aeres wrote: This is a great point. We have no clue what Artanis and LSB are gonna throw at us; Pandain is 99% correct! I'm confused by the bolded part of your statement, though. What are you talking about there? = / We had 72 hours, no? I really need to refresh so I can answer multiple questions in one post. | ||
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On October 31 2010 10:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ShmotZ the Mafia Do-Gooder has been modkilled. Haha wtf is this? Worst role ever, no? | ||
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Bum should visit Dr. H, Dr. H can therefore confirm if he's town. I doubt mafia would have a mason, as the only real benefit of that is you can fake a townie(aka, mafia can already pm). DT's should check me and Fishball, as we are both unconfirmed. Doctor H, if I understand you correctly, you are able to confirm yourself to another player. Once you do so, they should say so in thread the next day. DT's should only claim if they find a red in me or Fishball, otherwise they would be claiming for no reason. If not, then next night perhaps they should check the opposite person, or would that be too many nights in a row? Of course, I think its pretty certain mafia must've put in a scum canidate, so I think it would be worth even two nights checking. Medics should protect Dr. H, me, Fishball, and lastly Bum, since he's probably the least important. I'm unsure how to get them to all protect an individual person since we don't know who they are, but that's just my suggestions for them. PD's should be on Dr. H. We want him to have immunity asap. I think actually not on Bum, since perhaps he should confirm himself to bum, therefore finding out if bum has murrayitis. If he does, then cure both of them the next night, limiting murrayitis. Thoughts? | ||
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Sorry didn't come out right. I mean doctor H can then confirm HIMSELF to bum. On October 31 2010 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: Err no and no. DrH doesn't need a medic because he has bodyguards and he didn't need a Plague Doctor because he is immune. With only one body guard, mafia can double hit him, no? And is he already immune? I thought he can only tell if another person has murrayitis. | ||
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On October 31 2010 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I swapped the positions when SiNiquity decided to make a martyr of himself and claimed that he didnt care about the game because his role sucked Wait wth. And why did you need a list of 3. I assume there's a swapping role or something mafia has. Also DX??? I hope you didn't just claim bodyguard :/ | ||
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As for youngminii, yes he has to explain himself. Even if that means claiming his role(unless its uber duper important.) Cause right now, Coag is partly right. I don't see a role town would have that would do this. Of course, this is INSANE mafia, and with boogers and secret votes and even a do gooder that seems really bad for mafia, I'm going to remain neutral. I want an explanation though. Anyone have any comments/additions/concerns on my plan for tonight btw? | ||
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On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote: oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves: Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway. Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone? DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*. Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. | ||
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On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote: No comment. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target... Hmm..... if only there was such a role... *wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you* | ||
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On November 01 2010 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why are you fishing so hard for him to claim? if there is a role that dodges lynches/hides at night I highly doubt it is a scum role. In fact it seem even more likely to me that he was acted upon by another more manipulative role. Because when someone doesn't get lynched when they're supposed to, there's always a reason. And when there's a reason, there's a motive. Unless a part of his role involves always not getting lynched, in which case he should say so. I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely. I just want to know why he's not dead. Remember this is insane mafia, we need to make sense of what's happening. | ||
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On November 01 2010 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think it is very possible there is a bus driver role that switched youngminii and SiNiquity, causing my lynch to go through to SiN. Or there is a role that can hide during the night, or hide someone else. I very much doubt youngminii has a role that makes him permanently immune to lynches and that if that role existed it would certainly not be a scum role. Medics should protect our most experienced players for now. Period. That's Fishball, Bumatlarge, Ace, BrownBear, infundibulum, and possibly Divinek (not sure exactly how much of a vet he is) Medics should NOT protect me obviously. Huh missed this. I didn't think a bus driver was able to switch lynches.... And I'm confused by what you mean by "hide during the night." And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia. Who's going to get hit at night? Town(mafia/town if there are vigis) Who's going to be lynched in day? mafia/town A role involving immunity to lynches would almost certainly be a scum role in my eyes. If you can point out another game where it was not, I would be much obliged. On November 01 2010 03:53 Aeres wrote: Well let's find out: Artanis, can a bodyguard be lynched? | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:07 youngminii wrote: Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced. In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now. Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed. Exactly, and what happens when you get rid of the town's greatest weapon? Albeit I have to think about making the game imba, albeit with every person having a role I'm not surprised if there's a counter. I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:17 youngminii wrote: He didn't PM me, he seems to be using "why aren't you PMing others" as an argument. Sorry Pandain, you're not an idiot, your arguments are. So you're assuming that I can PM people and your argument is that I should be roleclaiming through PMs? And please, tell me how letting me die is a good thing? Back up your arguments. In any case, your posts have been hugely scummy to me, but then again they always are. I've never been in a mafia game where you've given solid arguments as a townie. Reread my posts. I was saying perhaps we should include you into a pming circle. As for you dying, I'm actually considering whether it would be better than someone else. Because most likely maifa will go after either the active townies, veterans, or the people who have already claimed valuable roles. You are not a Vet(albeit good), you are not exactly active, and you do not have a "valuable role" except in one scenario I'm thinking of in which it's like the thor rush+scvs, in that you can't be killed if we constantly protect you. However, that would still mean town numbers would have to be greater than mafia. As for the lynch role being town, I'm considering it as of now. But keep in mind we don't even know if that's what he has, he's told us nothing. That's what I'm especially cautious of. As for Aeres, that's great news. Just one question, did artanis tell you there were two, or are you assuming there are because dxcvii basically claimed as one. | ||
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On November 01 2010 06:17 Ace wrote: Guys, stop and think for a second. Misder and Pandain both tried to ask youngminii for information, pretty much trying to force a role claim. AT NIGHT!. we can't vote right now so why force a roleclain out of youngminii? Both of them need to be looked at heavily from now on. If you're a Detective please investigate one of these guys and if they flip Scum do some damage. except I didn't, and I said we should try getting him into contact with a pm circle if he feels he shouldn't share. But fine, you have a good point about it being night. Afterwards, I'm still pushing for him to explain. | ||
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On November 01 2010 06:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: However I will note that he changed his stance after I called him out on aggressive fishing that he did here: This is a pretty weak qualifier. Bum claims he can bring one person per night into the PMing circle and my guess is that YM wasn't his first choice, it seems unlikely that this scenario would occur at all and the only other alternative Pandain presents is an open roleclaim. I'm wary. You did later say you don't want him to claim if it hurts but that could very well be to save face. Oh yes, my aggressive fishing. You can just feel the furor in this obviously rolefishing post! On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote: We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. -.-. I said I didn't know how we were going to do it, but that's why I said I was unsure. It's open for debate. Note I said "I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected". | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:05 Node wrote: At the beginning of the day, I am informed of a person who will die during the night. This is why I believe the "+1" of the mafia's 2+1 KP is not murrayitis related. If I had to guess, I would say that it's a randomly chosen townie, as I can't see the mafia having a predetermined hit at the beginning of the day, especially on the first day. and so why the frick didn't you say so so we can protect him. | ||
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Clues: There are no clues in this game. Clues suck. unless its been changed... | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: there are clear and obvious references to roles, but there are no clues referring to players specifically (i.e we cannot determined who killed who from the night post) but it seems we are being given a summary of different things that happened during the night. are you trying to get us not to analyse the day post at all? are you worried about what conclusions we may draw? Just making sure we don't start analyzing clues and linking them to players. Clues=/= details about role/events. Well, right now we either definitely have more than 1 bodyguard(meaning the mods DO lie), or we caught two mafia, which doesn't make sense because one claimed because he did/did not trust the other. I'm still waiting to hear from DXCVII before making any more judgements, as his "claim" of bodyguard was sort of vauge, albeit revealing. Node when do you find out who's gonna die. Now? | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's possible I was roleblocked in that case. On November 01 2010 08:37 Lexpar wrote: Same. On November 01 2010 08:39 Glasse wrote: It's possible i was roleblocked too then :3 wtf. | ||
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1.The Main 4: Fishball, Bum, me, and Dr. H. One of us is most likely mafia. All have had decent votes on us on at least one time, and I find it likely mafia would try to get a mayor elected. 2.The Bodyguards: DXCVII, Aeres, and Annul. Annul's dead and confirmed, and the mods said there is only one bodyguard. Actually there is one slightly good thing about DXCVII dying, and that is if we decide we trust him instead of aeres, we can not lynch him and just let him die. 3.Analysis. It's panda time. It's too late for me to do a good one right now, but I'll be laying down the smack down tommorow. | ||
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In addition, the 2kp+1 makes me think mafia have two kp, and that there is an additional kp they have. But why is it separate, that's what I'm wondering. Most likely, it has something to do with this. Since, as node pointed out, mafia couldn't predetermine their kills at the beginning. | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory. I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch. Alright I believed you. I believed you for a while because you said "Don't worry, as soon as I'm elected I can confirm myself ASAP." But now I'm highly in doubt as to whether you are really town. For starters, your not a man of your word, kindly pointed out by coag. What you're doing is actually quite smart from a mafia perspective. am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. You make bold claims like this to get elected, and then can easily back out when you claim to be roleblocked. Since we don't know what roles there are, it's a perfect scam. We have no way of knowing if your telling the truth. It's this post that really got me though. On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The following is still true: -if my poke goes through, it confirms my identity to the player that receives it the player that receives a poke can lie and say "they did not receive a poke" -it is a night action, this was clear as soon as I claimed my role, and it is obvious that it is subject to things like commuter, bus driver, roleblocker, w/e -I anticipated the fact that I would be a prime candidate for a roleblocker, soaking up roleblocks on my poke, freeing up other roles that are potentially much more powerful to act -once the conversation began about my possible insanity and the possibility of any roles insanity (confirmed even further by orgoloves death) i think the idea of 100% confirmation pretty much fell through the cracks and it isn't something I held onto. It's possible that the whole poke is a lie, that it never goes through, and that the role is designed to make me think I can confirm myself to others when nothing actually happens -I acknowledged throughout my campaign multiple scenarios in which my role could be compromised by different scenarios involving various amounts of insanity So now you're saying the poke may not even exist. Basically, what your saying is "the mods are lying about my role". That's just like saying "OOPS! This is what my role REALLY does." very scummy in my eyes. Finally, if you anticipated the fact you could be roleblocked, why did you constantly claim you could confirm yourself to be 100%. Things just don't add up. | ||
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Assuming we act upon it, we send a medic to go protect him. If, as you say, they then have a secret suicide bomber(btw its not that great to say "well what if they have this role! Therefore, in this unlikely scenario this could occur, therefore he is a fake." At most we lose 1 medic, but then we catch a mafia, and have so much information from there. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I merely said it's an easy role to fake and could set up a lot of potential mafia plays. His claims shouldn't merely be accepted at face value. I never even put an FoS on him or anything. But then: 1.Why would he say whos gonig to get hit before the night ends, therefore leaving open the possibility of a failed hit 2.The fact at worst we'll lose a medic but catch a mafia and suicide bomber. | ||
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Coag didn't catch me lying. I was somehow prevented from taking my confirmation action, it's as simple as that. But how do we know that? The fact is you claimed to have a 100% way of confirming yourself as town, and now that is cast aside. That is why you were elected mayor. This isn't an easy back out at all. I'm not claiming I was roleblocked. Jcarls could be lying, he could have been bussed, or I could have an insane role that cannot poke at all. If I were to be faking roleblocks the entire time that would require me to have made up my role, a scenario which my posting history shows to be highly unlikely. Oh yes, because definitely Jcarls would be lying about this. Or the fact that mafia just somehow knew jcarl would be picked, and again don't defend yourself by claiming you don't know the role. As for faking the role, I highly believe you are a godfather. Obviously, if it exists, it would be used on the mayor canidate. I'm not saying they are lying about my role or anything like that. I'm accepting the possibility that my role could be an insane. A possibility originally brought up by OTHER players and a possibility which no player in this game should ignore in regards to anyones role or their own role. So they just gave you a townie role? that is the basis of your role, they wouldn't lie about that. Again, what's happening here is now your claming your role is different, which while somewhat plausible in this set up, definitely suscipcious and too easy an excuse. As I said earlier, I anticipated the fact that I could be roleblocked and didn't bring it up because soaking up all the roleblocks would be advantageous to the town. Having an unconfirmed mayor is advantageous to the town? Especially when that mayor promised he would be 100% confirmed, and that is why he became mayor? | ||
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Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed! Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility. Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain? For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane. See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far. No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point. Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: While I don't necessarily like being suspected, I don't feel like Dr.H was accusing me. He was bringing up a potential scenario, which is very legitimate. This is something I and many others were doing to him while he was campaigning. I appreciate the soft defense Pandain, but I don't think it's necessary to blow it out of proportion. It is reasonable for him to bring up scenarios that would discredit him. An accusation isn't necessarily a full out thesis. Bringing up points like this, which I've already pointed out are illogical, are exactly what characterize a scum in my eyes. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's assuming it was even a roleblock. In this game there are a lot of speculative scenarios we can get into in which things might not work. I did later let the idea of "100% confirmation" fall through as it became increasingly apparent I may not even be able to trust Artanis. If it is a roleblock then the mafia have to make the choice to either keep roleblocking me so they can keep making me look suspicious or to use it on someone else now that I've informed them that I anticipated this play. By the time we had the first suscipcions the mods could be lying you had already secured the election. There were two hours left. Furthormore, I don't understand how this "insanity" would prevent you from doing a poke. How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect. But yet even in two hours you make this post: Here you admit your role is most important in the ability to confirm yourself. This is after it was revealed there was a chance the mods are deceiving us. And yet you have admitted you are a prime contender for a roleblocker, but keep on going. Things do not add up Why would I take back what I said? All I said is that jcarls could have lied and that it is much easier for him to lie. I've brought a lot of attention on myself and said a lot about my role, these are things jcarls hasn't done. Your defense of him is getting more irrational. I will not take back my claim because all I claimed is that he could have lied and that is would be a very easy play for him to make. That would make it more likely a lie on his end than a lie on my end but I believe it is likely a lie on NEITHER of our ends and is merely a roleblock. That is a point i emphasized many times yet you're still saying I accused him of being mafia. I asked him a question, brought up the possibility that he lied, but I didn't accuse him of being a liar or a mafia. You're putting words in my mouth and it is very very obvious Pandain. A tribute to your so-called "transparency". It's a lie to say I'm fervently defending jcarl. What I'm doing is pointing out that your theory does not make sense. And so you bring this up, but don't think he's mafia? So why would you bring it up, since it could only bring suscipcion upon him. It's because your trying to find your way out of this mess. "For all I know you could or couldn't be". Ok that's a tautology isn't it? You're over rating me as a mafia player and then saying my actions are anti town. But lets not say how they're anti-town right? Is it anti-town to soak up roleblocks to help other roles? Is it anti-town because as far as I know I have the best chance of confirming my role to another player with my night action? It is anti town to lie to get elected, to claim your role is important and that is why you must get elected, and then admit there's possiblities you can't confirm yourself. It is anti town to make grasps at logic and far fetched theories. It is anti town because if you were town and you know/knew a roleblocker would ruin your "confirmation" you wouldn't have lied and said otherwise, and if you were mafia it makes perfect sense. Your attack is what if well maybe and it could. I explained all of my actions. I explained why I didn't talk about the possiblity of roleclaiming. I explained why I later ditched the "100%" thing. I've explained why I've done and said everything I've said. To say that I'm mafia becaue I'm not 100% town isn't a good argument. You didn't ditch the 100% thing, you've defended yourself using the "what if's, it could, and perhaps". | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:58 Misder wrote: Well, we now know almost certainly that DH is vulnerable. Now the question is whether or not protecting him is the right thing, as again, there is speculation on whether or not hes mafia or not. Right now, I'm pretty torn. People are right on how there really is no way to gaurantee that DH will have an opportunity to confirm himself. Then again, he's making good analysis and making everything up is pretty hard to do... unless he got his mafia buddies to help. Maybe (speculation again...) he made up the role, and he and his mafia made it based on Bill Murray on purpose to make it sound believable. It's really stretched, but a possibility. Anyone know who pointed out the link between Sticky and the stick of Bill Murray? I wonder if mafia knew that annul was a bodygaurd. It seems so out of there. Why would mafia try to go for annul in the first place? It's not like he made any amazingly good posts that would screw up mafia. actually he hasn't made any good analysis, if you note all he's done is say "they could be this, but then again they could be that." | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol what a weak brush off of my analysis posts your right, you put effort into it. He hasn't made any real conclusions, better gets across what I'm trying to say. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered. 1.There were only two hours left 2. A major factor is that no one can even say if you actually used your role. The person who you claimed to have poked says he received no such thing. Now you defend yourself by saying you could've been roleblocked, or he could've been bussed. The first point is okay, but negated for reasons later expressed below. The second point is just illogical. It is more logical to assume you are mafia than that jcarl just happened to get bussed. Everything adds up Pandain. How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1? Point is it didn't even happen Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing? Exactly! So why are you running if your role has a high chance of being unimportant. You claim its to soak up POTENTIAL roleblockers, but any townie could run and do just that. You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points. Yes, it doesn't make sense for jcarl to lie. You yourself think he hasn't, and yet you critizice me for defending just that. I have considered it, but consider it highly more likely you are just scum. My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.' Why did you lie to us if you knew this could happen. Why did you continue to claim you could be 100% confirmed Why would wasting a potential roleblocker's use on one night outweigh having an unconfirmed mayor who's lied. I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town. You start with "I didn't lie to get elected" and end with "this is a lie designed to benefit town." You claimed you would be 100% confirmed, now you claim you knew this would not happen. I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town. see the quote | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:17 youngminii wrote: Sure that's important. The arguments being put forward (mainly by Pandain) are not important. They are useless, misguided and nothing will be brought up out of them. The only thing they might be able to do is convince some people to vote for DrH without any conclusive evidence. Focus on Aeres. In case you don't know, LAL = Lynch All Liars. Rather than give empty statements why not back it up? And fyi, you don't think Dr. H has lied? You should reread my posts then. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity. And again The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again. Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run. i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you anyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth? how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:45 youngminii wrote: That's not the point. There's no way of finding out whether or not our Mayor is a blue or a red as of now. The arguments that Pandain is putting up are ridiculous and stretched way too far, if you honestly keep up with your persistent following of this idiocy (I'm talking about his arguments, not Pandain himself) then I'm going to have to label you as scum following a blind argument aimed at taking down a blue mayor. How 'bout instead of saying my arguments are ridic and that's it, you actually say why. Cause right now I can just look above, see "Aeres, kgo" and find an example of just one of many blind arguments you yourself have been making. And technically you can never find out someone's alignment FOR SURE until they are dead. That's not a counter argument to mine. | ||
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You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. That is why I am voting you | ||
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ignore that, that's really all wifom. + Show Spoiler + *not giving you a chance to wave aside everything* | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: This is a good point Pandain, I don't think Mafia would have known I would be poked. I had no idea myself that Dr.H even noticed I was posting (he did call me inactive at the beginning of the game after all =P). This leads me to believe that you were indeed role-blocked Dr.H This is where we are at. It is Dr. H's word, and his word alone. We have no idea if there is a roleblocker, or if he was actually roleblocked if the former is true. But when you realize Dr. H knew he could be roleblocked, leaving town unsure of his alignment, yet runs on a campaign of "I'm going to be confirmed!", that is anti town. And then he brings up more far fetched things such as indeed that mafia just happened to bus you. A | ||
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so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres. | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: devolving? how so? I feel I'm being pretty consistent. Basically disagreeing what a sentence clearly says, disagreeing with yourself "Even though I think jcarl is town, and that he is telling the truth, i think he lied", so forth | ||
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Just don't bandwagon aeres while I'm gone, mmkay? | ||
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I'll be doing an analysis of Dr. H tonight. However, he has like 400 posts so don't expect it anytime soon. | ||
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On November 02 2010 07:13 Coagulation wrote: i get warned daily. I've never been warned User was warned for this post | ||
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On November 02 2010 06:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote Aeres ##Vote InfiniteStory On November 02 2010 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote InfiniteStory ##Vote DoctorHelvetica wtf.... explain? | ||
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On November 02 2010 07:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The disease wasn't put on me. I'm completely immune to M-Rus. how do you know again? | ||
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On November 02 2010 08:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd like to ask Pandain a question. You said you would/could confirm yourself as townie even if you weren't mayor. You criticize me because i failed to do so. You also haven't confirmed yourself at all something that was part of your campaign promise. It strikes me as a tad bit hypocritical. Remember it's indirect, there's no real way to confirm my role. But come by day 2,3, I'll probably have enough to basically be confirmed. Interesting post btw, I'll definitely consider it in my analysis. | ||
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Also, dr. H, why must you post so very very much | ||
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screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis. Don't expect me to post for a while :p | ||
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Wtf Why Must You Post So Much Summary: Dr. H has lied, deceived, and misled the town. If anyone really wants to, I can go on, but just by seeing the first couple hundred posts it should be obvious how scummy Dr. H is. In addition, just noting right now, the fact that there are bandwagons going on which I believe have been started by mafia to hide the fact that Dr. H screwed up hard. Dr. H has lied about his role, given false facts, contradicted himself countless times, and wasted by 2000th post. Basically, we can see some main thing which indicate he's scum. 1. He's lied about his role, and aspects regarding it For example, we see he constantly has said things about his role which obviously he now says he cannot do. For instance: + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 04:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon Alright. Stop here. Look at the bolded quote. He says he can confirm someone is town, yet from what he claims now his role cannot do that at all. On October 30 2010 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i remembered incorrectly about youngminii he bandwagoned fishball NOT bumatlarge this makes more sense, why would a scumbuddy come to the fake rescue of someone who isn't scum. that gives me more to think about. I'd really really really like a DT to rolecheck fishball. I can only kinda determine whether they may or may not be town and even then it ends up in a bit of a WIFOM situation. the reason i feel weird about pandain is because his election reminds me a lot of the time when i was elected as scum mayor in my first mafia game and the way its going is very similar to that. i wish there were more than 2 legitimate candidates that both come off as suspicious to me. now that youngminii was voting for fishball, I'm less sure. I know youngminii in haunted mafia when he was vampire, he was a smart guy and always explained what he said in vampire chat. he's not the kind who would just say meaningless bullshit if he was town imo Back tracks on his statement he can confirm if he's town, but still says he can, in some way. Dr. H, this is very suscipcious. On October 30 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: my power is actually really simple but the applications of it are complex and I'm finding them out as I think and play more at first i was like "wtf am i gonna do with this power it sucks" Couldn't you just ask artanis.... On October 30 2010 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is true. But I can confirm that I am the role I say I am. The only problem is confirming it to the right person. Alright, but you've already said wrong things about what you say your role is, and so far we don't know if you can even really confirm your role. On October 30 2010 07:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: there is a second way i can confirm my role if i somehow miss my confirmation, i can confirm it indirectly as well. and i will always get a second chance the next night to directly confirm it. AND WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS WAY? I want this answered now, Dr. H On October 30 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: here is my basic plan for organization: 1. at night i can confirm to one player that I am who I say I am. 2. that player confirms to the town my role 3. hopefully masons will induct me into the circle 4. with my power i can help coordinate other roles, I don't want to say too much as to how right now. There are only two scenarios in which the 1st step can fail. They are very very very very very very unlikely. If the person I confirm to is mafia, they can just lie and say I didn't confirm to them or never bring it up. Mafia will be forced to confirm that I am blue, or I'll out them for lying. I can be much more specific when I'm sure I can not be killed at night. Points out that his plan could fail if one of these happen, but say they're very unlikely. Yet now he's bringing it up as defense. Also, I thought he said his role can confirm another players role, didn't I point that out? On October 30 2010 07:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: well they would be ideal for a rolecheck this would be incredibly dangerous play as mafia to out my scumbuddies as the game progresses. every time i confirm to someone i will be claiming it. it is possible the person i can confirm to is a mafia, i have no way of knowing someones alignment. but look at this play from the perspective of me being mafia and it really makes no sense. I'm going to out all of my mafia compatriots just to win the mayor position? you'll see very soon that the information I'm providing will be beneficial to the town and we'll see real results in numbers. I'm putting my head on a plate for you guys if I turn out to be a liar. I can back this up. Notice a trend that Dr. H is doing. He claims he can be confirmed, leaves an out, yet the fact remains that he's constantly saying that he's almost certainly going to be confirmed, that he even laters says he is 100% confirmed, and even uses the old "trust me, If I'm lying lynch me." Yet we've now caught him as lying, and what do people do? They hop on another bandwagon! On October 30 2010 07:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: of course it's possible but look at this play in the terms of the game overall. think for a minute that I am mafia. I would essentially be outing my entire team to the town over the course of the game. Wrong if your lying about your role/do not have the role at all. And we've already pointed out you've lied about your role.... On October 30 2010 07:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: there are other things to my power that will prove beyond any doubt that I am a pro-town player. they may not take affect immediately but everything will be quite clear when I am elected and roleclaim Which is.....? Back up your claims, dr. h On October 30 2010 07:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Godfather would be chosen on the first day I believe I have a small chance of confirming myself to a mafia. Mafia can then come out, get rolechecked, and sacrifice themselves to kill me So in the freak scenario that this happens I would plead town to wait a day before lynching me. Not to mention it could be the miller as well. There are other things to my role that will confirm me as town but I want to make a disclaimer, I have no way of knowing what other players roles are (I certainly don't have DT powers) so I have as much chance as anyone of acting upon mafia. Since I really think it's obvious he's mafia, I'm just going to start going on that assumption,and why everything he does makes sense if he is mafia. Of course, I will still be pointing out errors and fallacies but time to set gear into overdrive. Alright, so now he says his role cannot tell what another person's role is, says there are other things that can confirm him(yet says nothing else besides the fact he claims he can confirm himself, yet hasn't.) On October 30 2010 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why would you vote for someone who can't confirm themselves as town aligned? If I'm not elected, I will likely be protected by a medic. I'm not that worried about dying tonight if I lose the election. what is your reason not to vote for me, because I'll die if I'm not elected? my role is really only useful if it's known to the town anyway. the most useful ability is to confirm myself as town to other players, it's ideal that a player with this role would be mayor. Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Why did we elect someone who can't confirm themselves as town aligned. Unfortunately, we did leave out the possibility of a roleblocker, but again, the fact he should have been thinking about that and the fact we don't know the roles I'm suscipcious of the "Well, maybe there's a roleblocker" excuse. On October 30 2010 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What makes you think I haven't planned out how to use my role throughout the game? You're telling me to stay quiet and then come out tomorrow with what needs to be said. I'm offering coordination to the town with guaranteed protection. If you don't think thats better than what pandain is offering (nothing) then I don't really know what to say. What lack of foresight? My plans are long-term plans on how I will use my role to benefit the town. The first step is confirming my identity, the second step is using my powers to coordinate the town in a way that is crucial to our survival and victory. I've put the finger of suspicion on more players than you. Coagulation, youngminii, you haven't really done much in the way of scumhunting either. Mind telling me who you think is scum, if anybody? While scumhunting is important to me, being mayor will without a doubt maximize the effectiveness of my role and give the town coordination it needs in this game. It's pretty simple. Well for one, just seeing what happened tonight makes me think if you are town you didn't think everything through. And I'm still confused on how being mayor maximizes your effectiveness if your town, I mean, you can still do everything the same. Basically, you can confirm yourself as town, and that's it. But even that is in question. On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My role has two basic abilities: -to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am. -to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts. Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked. Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen) If I were mafia using mafia to fake my confirmation ability. This means I have to consistently out scumbuddies for the entirety of the game just to stay alive. And for what? Immunity to nightkills that won't happen since I'd be mafia in the first place? Mafia benefit from being mayor isn't big enough in a normal game to do a play like this, much less in a game like this where the mayors power is severely reduced. What am I offering beyond my role? Simply put the town can trust me. I've put myself in a do or die situation and I'm more than prepared to back up what I'm offering. I can offer immense coordination that is OPEN to the town. I won't jump on poor mafia bandwagons. I'm not running on the basis of being a mayor that will do whatever the town (i.e mafia) tells him to do. I'll try my best to cut through the bullshit and use my votes the right way. So, now we know you were lying about the second way to confirm yourself. And how could you confirm another player. There are so many things you've claimed about your role which now are being pushed aside. And now your saying mafia doesn't have anything to gain from trying to get mayor when previously you said it's valuable. 2.He contradicts himself/lies. There are numerous examples of him either backtracking on stuff or just lying/misleading. Note many times he tries to lie/mislead/deceive, and if called out on it he will back down. Yet if no one does, he continues driving it home, embellishing it further and further and trying to establish it as fact. Even without taking into account the time's he's lied/contradicted himself on his role let's see some posts by him: + Show Spoiler + On October 29 2010 07:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: having a mafia as mayor is a blessing and curse for the mafia the extra vote power (which im guessing mayor has in this game) is super useful late game but mayor also has a lot of extra scrutiny on him which means he has to play very well. First real post this game. Right off the bat I notice this is different from what he's saying now, which is mayor is not useful for mafia and they wouldn't want to have it. Contradiction is noted, but opinions can change. Moving on... On October 29 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lying can be advantageous if you're town as long as you do it smartly Yet now he accuses Aeres? Despite the fact Aeres actually was pretty smart in what he did? wtf is this. On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick. if it is a big mafia trick: we win the game, easy as that. if the mafia ditch fishball: first day mafia kill, woo! the only troubling scenario is where only the few mafia in the group come forward or say, the mafia in the group get rolechecked first, then we start killing the townies in the circle. I think maybe electing Fishball might be a bad idea since he is then unable to be rolechecked. Mafia doesn't want to kill people in the circle, since if they are in it, they want to manipulate the information as much as possible. also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you. I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player Very anti town as well. First of all, he says we should check everyone who claims, when we would only have to check one. If it's mafia, then we know it's a lie/ we can check another person who claims. If not, THEN we lynch Fishball. But if we reveal a town, then we can stop, as he would be telling the truth. I don't see why Dr. H would be saying we should do this. And also his reason of not electing fishball: "he's unable to be rolechecked." Isn't that true for everyone? Finally he says he suggests a PD not visit mayor. Why is this, dr. H? Also, he has started to say in here he is wary of me because of a supposed bandwagon on me. Sadly, I did not look into this enough. Let's analyze the facts: 1.He claims there is a bandwagon on me. This implies two things: 1.There is a group of people who just bandwagoned on voting me. 2. They give little to no reason Both of these are outright lies. Like 5 people voted for me OVER THE COURSE OF 18 HOURS OR SO. And dr. H even voted for me! Finally, he claims they gave no reasons. Hmm... let's look at these posts coagmeepak node also but I lost the exact link. -,-. So 3/5 gave at the very least a decent reason. So basically he accused me based on the fact two people didn't explain their votes fully enough. Can't believe I didn't notice this... On October 30 2010 08:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yet he has a huge bandwagon you are really intent on making me look bad in this game aren't you. too bad you have no good reasons for it Again says I have a huge bandwagon, when I do not. Also coag has been bringing up good points on dr. h. On October 30 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i'm gonna run for mayor pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.) So, your running for mayor because your "clearly town aligned"(hmm... look at this post so far). You say your a huge target from mafia, yet also say so is fishball, and both of you would have to be rolechecked(actually can't -.-). So you really have no reasons other than you would later reveal you can be confirmed, but that's in high question right now. On October 30 2010 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: everyone is a blue in this game lol i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason 1.No bandwagon. And 2 people not explaining enough is not a "huge bandwagon." 2.Yeah, 'bout that 100% proof. On October 30 2010 07:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: let me put it this way there is a 1/39 chance i will fail in confirming my role to the town there are multiple ways i can prove my identity over the course of the day. so you would rather vote pandain who offers nothing? you're doing a bad job at discrediting me. considering that mafia are probably shitting their pants over the idea of a confirmed townie with great coordination powers become immune to nightkills I'm not surprised someone is trying their best FoS And these other ways of confirming your self are? And I did offer stuff, I just don't outright claim it because there's a good chance I wouldn't be elected, and I don't want mafia to have any more information about me than neccesary. On October 30 2010 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: poor excuse, i know your play. you watch the thread very intently while communicating avidly within a scumcircle why even mention it? feeling guilty about your inactivity or do you just like to clutter up threads for no reason baseless assumption On October 30 2010 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: there are a lot of inactive players right now calm yourself What about NB, then? On October 30 2010 08:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: which i then discarded as bad when i changed my mind 4 hours is a lot of time in this game. I voted for Pandain because I felt wary about Fishball and at the time there was really no other viable candidate, since I thought bumatlarge was out of the race. If I didn't think that I would have gladly voted for bum instead. I decided then the best thing to do would be to run myself and have since grown increasingly more suspicious of pandain based on the actions of his supporters who have thus far given little to no reason to vote for him 1.No person voted for me again after you did, meaning that couldn't have changed your mind there. 2.You say I'm a viable canidate, yet now say I offer nothing. On October 30 2010 08:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you really think i could be mafia? do you understand how outrageously fucking stupid I would be to play like this as mafia? not only would i have to consistently out my scumbuddies throughout the course of the game to the entire town but I would have to fake a beneficial blue role that I promised already shows real numerical results that cannot be faked I am tying the noose around my neck to be hanged if I am lying. How can you call me a shitty towny if I've never been a towny and you don't even suspect I'm townie in this game. Hilarious post. Every time he says to lynch him if he's lying just makes me cringe. Because now we're at an impasse where he can just continously say "just wait one more night" while he leads us around bandwagoning people who I think are innocent. On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me. Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that? *cringes* On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia. Would you prefer I simply roleclaim now? Please, can we finally make him stand up to his word? I've called him out so many time's he's contradicted himself, lied, or greatly misled. 3. Has played anti town. He has continously played as if scum, leading town by his own hands. He claims to have lynched YM, then sinq is lynched, and he defends YM. He claims to be able to be 100% confirmed, yet now there is no way of knowing whether he is town or not and now he claims he knew he wouldn't be, but he was lying/not telling "for the good of town." I'm sorry, soaking up a POTENTIAL ROLEBLOCKER WHICH MIGHT NOT EVEN EXIST is not a good reason to run on a campaign. Dr. H. He has fished, given poor reasoning, and I'm sure I would find more evidence but believe I have found enough in his first 100-200 posts. If anyone really isn't convinced, I will submit more evidence, albeit relunctantly. Let's see: + Show Spoiler + On October 29 2010 08:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im assuming mayor has bodyguards mayor should be an experienced player since mafia will try to hit experienced players first. Yes they will. I like and don't like this post at the same time. On one side, he's neglecting a very important and perhaps the most important aspect of being mayor: being protected as long as you have a bodyguard, which is really useful for important blue roles. On the other hand, it is a good point to protect expierenced players, albeit I am obviously cautious since he later ran for mayor. Part of my conspiracy portion of the brain thinks he was just setting up for him claiming, but that cannot be proven one way or the other. Next On October 29 2010 09:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: don't vote for jcarlsoniv he's inexperienced and mostly inactive, not good orgolove is bad and shouldn't be mayor either mayor should be an experienced player so we have an experienced player that is protected. medics should also protect our most experienced/best players (ace, bumatlarge, brownbear, infundibulum, etc.) i'm voting for bumatlarge since he's the best one running currently Onoes more conspiracy in mah brain. I agree Jcarl shouldn't be mayor for those reasons, for orgolove he doesn't really give any explanations so that makes me cautious....(but perhaps true, I don't want to be mean :p). Again says we should protect expierenced players. I'm going to note this, he's basically saying perhaps the most important aspect of mayor that should function in this town is in its aspect to help expierenced players. This is true, albeit I'm unsure of whether that should be the most important. It seems logical to me that mafia would shoot an inexpierenced Mafia-revealer(best role ever) vs. an expierenced townie. On October 30 2010 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: not just an additional person, everyone in the circle should claim. mafia doesn't have incentive to kill them for it so it's all good. NO! BAD! This is a very anti town move. Pms were, and even with 3 of Fishball's member's dying, are one of the greatest things town has right now. Why? Town circle, obviously. Telling everyone to claim just allows mafia to snipe people off, while giving town really no useful info when just one person claiming would have the same result. this is very suscipcious. On October 30 2010 05:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why are you attacking me? i never said i'm the only person revealing my role, but can you use it to prove that you are a town player? what are you offering aside from that? i'm pretty sure everyone running is gonna roleclaim when they are elected. why bother to try and make me look bad? why not just say "i'm gonna roleclaim too", why even bring me up? First off, annul hardly even attacked you. Quick defense there. Second off, he himself is rolefishing there "what are you offering aside from that." Very poor play in that regards. On October 30 2010 06:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: people in fishballs circle need to claim already person, yes. People, no. On October 30 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is medic protection not enough? If you are killed then wouldn't that increase suspicion on certain members of the group within the group itself? Do you know the names of other players in the group and if so can you say who they are since they won't claim themselves? Otherwise there is really no reliable way to confirm your town alignment other than a DT check. Fishes for town circle, trying to find it out. Why would town do this, it would only reveal to the mafia a town circle so they can snipe it. Yet Dr. H is trying to get him to reveal the list. On October 30 2010 09:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: As far as I see it if Mafia start killing off town aligned members of the circle, they incriminate themselves really in the end. This puts a lot of pressure on mafia as to how they choose their kills and they have to very carefully consider their activity within the circle. Very bad reasoning. Mafia couldn't incriminate themselves since we wouln't know who killed them. | ||
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On November 03 2010 04:45 NB wrote: i just woke up... god panda sure hate Dr.H xD I hate scum. Now can we please change from Aeres to Dr. H, Aeres barely has anything on him besides the fact he lied, and plainly I don't see why he would lie if mafia. What tangible gain would there be besides possibly having medics protect other people? But we know that didn't happen because mafia didn't take advantage of that and end up shooting the bodyguards/dsxcii(since they would know aeres was fake) and dr. h. Sorry, but LAL policy does not work if the lie itself does not make sense from a mafia perspective. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + But of course, Dr. H pushes for fishball's circle to all reveal themselves, and claims to be highly suscipcious of Bum. Just more evidence... | ||
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On November 03 2010 04:51 CubEdIn wrote: While I agree with this posts, and some of the points you made, I disagree that lynching our mayor on day2 is a smart idea. Can we at least give him one more night? Maybe he'll make something of his role, he'll get some sort of confirmation, etc. He is one of the FEW who has claimed, so he should be easier to confirm/bury than the rest, don't you agree? It just seems unreasonable for me to lynch the mayor after one day of ruling, that is all. Please let me know what we have to lose if we give him one more night/day to perhaps clear his name? 1.If there is a roleblocker, they'll just keep on roleblocking him. 2.If there's not(or if he is mafia), then he can just continue to claim he is/claim the other person is lying. He's claimed like, two different things that he says his role can do, but says they can't now. And I also disagree that just because he's mayor we shouldn't lynch him, on the contrary, mafia having two votes is a bane for the town. On November 03 2010 05:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Is the inconsistency where Aeres says he hopes that DC isn't the body guard? This makes sense, he assumes DC soft claimed (so did a lot of other people) so he decides to fake claim to draw a hit. Then he says he hopes DC wasn't the body guard after all and that the real second body guard is hidden. This makes sense, under his false claim he's trying to trick the mafia further by adding a third person into the body guard mix. This all made sense from his perspective when I try and put myself in his shoes it seems like a logical strategy. Regarding Pandains post; I don't think we should lynch Doc H tonight, he's still to valuable if he's telling the truth. We need to lynch either Aeres or YM, I've already stated I think YM should be lynched because I think he's more likely to be scum but if we lynch Aeres and he flips town then it tells us just about the same thing as a YM lynch: we need to look at Doc H. If YM is blue or Aeres is red then I'm completely lost  If, if, if IF! I don't see how everyone can be so oblivious to how transparent Dr. H has been. IF he's telling the truth, then he'll never be able to confirm it since mafia will keep roleblocking him. The only way we could get him to confirm is if mafia does not have roleblocker and Jcarl lied, but I find that highly unlikely. And I disagree with Dr. H being lynched not telling us about other people. It gives us insight about YM and Aeres, and in addition we can't lynch YM(I'm pretty sure he has a role which means he can't be lynched.) | ||
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On November 03 2010 05:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: While I agree with this posts, and some of the points you made, I disagree that lynching our mayor on day2 is a smart idea. Can we at least give him one more night? Maybe he'll make something of his role, he'll get some sort of confirmation, etc. He is one of the FEW who has claimed, so he should be easier to confirm/bury than the rest, don't you agree? It just seems unreasonable for me to lynch the mayor after one day of ruling, that is all. Please let me know what we have to lose if we give him one more night/day to perhaps clear his name? 1.If there is a roleblocker, they'll just keep on roleblocking him. unless they cant roleblock twice in a row fair point, but I'm not just going to keep you alive because you *may* confirm yourself if i think your scum. 2.If there's not(or if he is mafia), then he can just continue to claim he is/claim the other person is lying. that assumes i made my role up. i already explained why this is a ridiculous assumption. stop making me say the same obvious things over and over again to prove you wrong Just thinking of Caller's insane busdriver claim, I wouldn't be suprised if you can do the same. Also, you don't neccesarily have to have made it up. You could've known about it from previous games(even outside TL), you could still have the role and BE mafia, and so forth. He's claimed like, two different things that he says his role can do, but says they can't now.no i didn't read my post And I also disagree that just because he's mayor we shouldn't lynch him, on the contrary, mafia having two votes is a bane for the town. assuming i am mafia which you seem to have done read my post If, if, if IF! I don't see how everyone can be so oblivious to how transparent Dr. H has been. or how transparent you have been in your attempts to make me look bad You can counter argue me by saying I'm scummy, but I trust in the faith of the town to believe arguments, not blind statements IF he's telling the truth, then he'll never be able to confirm it since mafia will keep roleblocking him. why do you assume the mafia have infinite roleblocks? you've made a lot of assumptions about powers mafia have throughout this game that a townie would have NO way of knowing for sure. THAT's suspicious. I don't think I've played a game where roleblocker couldn't roleblock more than once. In addition, knowing how Artanis phrased it(in a traditional game...) and the fact this is not makes me think they indeed can.The only way we could get him to confirm is if mafia does not have roleblocker and Jcarl lied, but I find that highly unlikely. or there was another role that blocked what I had done such as a bus/redirector/commuter/hider Meaning you would've poked someone else, no? And I'm pretty sure Jcarl would say something if he was commuter/hider or something. And what's a redirector? And I disagree with Dr. H being lynched not telling us about other people. It gives us insight about YM and Aeres no it doesn't, it's all WIFOM smoke and mirrors. If I'm mafia Aeres could be a bus. Both YM and Aeres defended me and Aeres defended me more, who's more suspicious in this case? Neither., It can still give info. If you flip scum, then anyone who defends you will be looked upon with suscipcion. Ignoring that aspect of the game is silly. and in addition we can't lynch YM(I'm pretty sure he has a role which means he can't be lynched.)you're prettttty sure? lol bullshit. he could be unlynchable (which typically works once), judas, or saulus, or a new insane role that artanis invented. worthless speculation and another possible soft fish for a roleclaim. he said "I would defend myself but I don't feel the need. I took that to mean he will not be lynched again,. | ||
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There is no reason Aeres would lie if mafia. If Aeres was mafia, then the only reason he would fake claim bodyguard is if mafia wanted to kill DXCII and Dr. H. But, as we see, neither of those died. So there is no reason Aeres would fake claim bodyguard if he was mafia. If he was town, however, Aeres would discourage mafia from shooting mayor(if Dr. H wasn't :p), and even himself because he roleclaimed the hiding role. Aeres is not mafia. | ||
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On November 03 2010 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i interpreted it as scum play his gambit didn't really make sense as it described it but I suppose he just didn't think it through and acted on impulse. it made him look scummy to me and unlike others in the bandwagon I was the only one who bothered to explain why I thought he was scum rather then just yelling LYNCH ALL LIARS over and over again. On November 03 2010 06:06 Pandain wrote: Alright, let me put this plainly. There is no reason Aeres would lie if mafia. If Aeres was mafia, then the only reason he would fake claim bodyguard is if mafia wanted to kill DXCII and Dr. H. But, as we see, neither of those died. So there is no reason Aeres would fake claim bodyguard if he was mafia. If he was town, however, Aeres would discourage mafia from shooting mayor(if Dr. H wasn't :p), and even himself because he roleclaimed the hiding role. Aeres is not mafia. Unfortunately I have a time limit on the amount of time I can play so I can't respond to your post as of now :/ . Expect it tommorow | ||
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But regarding me, I admit I was wrong about Dr. H since he has obviously confirmed himself. But honestly I was in doubt as to whether he would actually do it, and if I think someone is mafia, I'm not just going to let them live. On November 04 2010 08:59 KtheZ wrote: Read from top up; After browsing through the last 20-30 pages, I find Pandain to be the most scummy right now. His last 2 notable posts are: 1. I find it quite scummy how he is trying to give directions to the blue roles, while also trying to have the medics mass save this one person. He tries to cover this up by telling PM circles to coordinate, but he knows full well that several PM circles (fishball and bumatlarge for now) have gone to hell. Ya, and we ended up saving him, no? And clearly my post says not for everyone to protect him, that would be retarded. And also, wtf, fishball and bum weren't dead then. 2. He made an enormous post about how Dr.H is oh so terrible and scummy (on page 109), but it seems apparent to me that Dr.H has already roleclaimed and proven (sorta, not 100% sure) that he is what he is. Also, Pandain has no evidence of being pro-town besides his extreme insistence of lynching the mayor. No duh, this was before and really he WAS suscipcious, I mean, look at my post on him and I believe it is perfectly logical. He did explain alot of stuff, but until he succesfully confirmed someone he was on my scum list. 3. He parrotted divinek (mafia) ---- Basically quoted from Dr.H Basically, I think Pandain is mafia because of his insistence on assaulting Dr.H, but lacks comprehensive evidence that he is pro-town. Pandain mentioned that he would have enough evidence to come forth on day 2 or day 3. Isn't that a blatantly obvious stall for time? If he is DT or ANYTHING he should be able to prove himself HERE and NOW, rather than need several days to compile evidence of his non-guilt. He basically took all the arguments about undefined role against him, and "postponed" them so that he could instead hound Dr.H on what HIS role is. Wrong again. It's a fact because of my role. Just like how infinite stories role contains "indirect" confirmation(can only really confirm himself if he finds scum) my role is like that. And the point of Dr. H was that he WAS supposed to be able to confirm himself night one. I clearly said my role couldn't. I'd prefer if someone proved me wrong, but this is what I managed to conclude after reading for like 20-30 minutes of the forum. I may add more later. On November 04 2010 10:08 youngminii wrote: I think the fact that Pandain has 6 pages (100 posts each) of posts mostly to do with his interaction with DrH, then starting to lurk after the attention was brought on him indicates a little bit of his scumminess, don't ya think? Lucky break with the mafia retard. I honestly thought infinitestory was more scummy than most others. Honestly if not for the fact a Judas role woudl be incrediably OP for town, I would've highly suspected you of being mafia. I mean, here's the gist of your argument against me: "Just stop, I hate reading long posts. Analytical posts are crap. I'm not going to debate your arguments but they're crap." On November 04 2010 10:18 youngminii wrote: Yeah but I'm just saying there's the possibility of him lying about his roleclaim, since I've never seen an ADD role that wasn't a "x% chance of getting the opposite result" type of thing. Oh well Coagulation's mafia anyway, bus or not so no use worrying about it now. By the way, Pandain voted at 10:06 TL time and hasn't posted in this thread (I was giving him time to post before writing this). At a time where someone should be defending themselves heavily instead of lurking like he is, I think it's fair to say he's either not playing well or he's very scummy. Or I'm reading everything here and responding to it. I had to catch up like ~10 pages. In addition to the fact a new page occurs every like 3 minutes -.-. On November 03 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: can i take the time to say that divineks only contentful posts in this thread were attempts to discredit my campaign/make me look bad? can i also note he's making some of the exact same arguments pandain is making now? Also wtf these are basically different arguments. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: how are they different, he's calling into question my ability to confirm and using it as an excuse to make me look bad as a candidate overall 1.He was saying this before you had failed to poke someone, I only questioned you after failed to confirm yourself. Actually, in fact, he would be pro towards you, since he would defend the fact you had been unable to confirm. I was questioning the fact whether you could do this at all, Divinek was opposing you because he felt your role might not be actually useful in those scenarios. On November 04 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote: "Just stop, I hate reading long posts. Analytical posts are crap. I'm not going to debate your arguments but they're crap." OR "Just stop, you're posting crap. Repetitive posts are crap. I'm not going to debate your 600 posts of the same flawed arguments against DrH but they're crap." You didn't even address one thing. Not one thing. And honestly, I spent time into those. I don't like people saying its crud. On November 04 2010 10:30 KtheZ wrote: Pandain, anyone can scream unconfirmable role if they decide to roleclaim. Why hasnt Dr.H? And why are you the FIRST PERSON in the game to claim this? Also, at least giving details on the CONDITIONS that need to be achieved so you can confirm your role would be nice, instead of this vague stuff we keep getting. Honestly I'm a bit confused about what you're saying here. Can you clarify? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:33 Coagulation wrote: IM NOT RED when i got my role pm i had the choice of being a normal townie or having an POWERFUL ability that unfortunatly has the side effect that will make anyone checking me see me as a red. rofl... | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: pandain at this point you really need to roleclaim and do the thing where you "indirectly confirm you are town" to all of us you know, like you promised you could? I did it when you brought me under suspicion. Now it's your turn :D Alright, actually I might as well roleclaim since in all honesty either you or Infinitestory is going to die tonight, so I'm pretty safe. I'm trash collector. Every night I find out the results of a random person's alignment. Results: Night 1 infinite, safe Night two, nemesis, safe | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: how does this indirectly confirm you as town at all If I find mafia, and reveal him, I'm basically confirmed, no? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No. Mafia knows who is blue and you can spend as long as you want confirming townies to us and then later bus a mafia. Is there any flavor text in your Role PM that explains the significance of the title trash collector? I look through their trash and see if they've been doing bad things Hmm...but then wouldn't I die? So in that scenario at the most I'd die for one town? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:47 Ace wrote: @Infinitestory: Sorry my mistake then. I just remember talking to bum via PM before updating the thread. @Dr.H: No point in even going further with this. Let's go back to Day 1: When Dr.H claims that he has a role that can confirm himself to be town, Pandain also does the same. Pandain also says even if he doesn't get Mayor, he'd be able to do this. Now, it's Day 3 and Pandain doesn't reveal the result of any of this until now. When I read his posts on Day 1, it sounded like his role could be instantly confirmed pro-town and not something that would rely on random chance. So if Pandain knows his role relied on random chance then why did he seem so sure he could confirm himself easily? 1.I said it would take a couple days 2.I said it would be indirect | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:49 youngminii wrote: Wasn't Pandain's main 600 post argument against DrH the fact that he 'lied' and he couldn't confirm himself 100% because he got roleblocked? Now it's day 3 and Pandain can't confirm himself which is a bigger lie than DrH's? Does this not strike you as fucking stupid at all Pandain? Couldn't you have come up with a better argument/roleclaim? First of all I still don't see how if I find mafia that doesn't confirm me. Now obviously at most I could do if mafia would be to claim a townie was mafia, and then they get lynched. But then next day, I get lynched. That is definitely not beneficial for mafia. @KtheZ, we're actually different roles, his is in fact even better than mine :/ | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:50 Ace wrote: If you say it would take a couple of days and be indirect: Then how come you felt so strongly against Dr.H if you're own role wouldn't be so powerful? Those are 2 weak reasons to claim you can confirm yourself pro-town when you made it seem so good. How is that better than a Vigilante claiming he could shoot the scummiest person to confirm himself? I felt strongly against Dr. H because my role was actually working, while he had no results. He was playing incrediably scummy imo. As for Dr. H, I still don't see how it would be beneficial AT ALL for mafia. The one thing I could see now was if I claimed mafia were confirmed, then later outed a real mafia. Then it would seem the original mafia was confirmed. Hmm.... On November 04 2010 10:53 Coagulation wrote: vigilante but i have a high chance of killing myself i havnt used it yet ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha "You can be townie, or you can be a vigilante highly prone to suicide!" How is that a superpowerful role... just stop :p | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:55 KtheZ wrote: The main purpose of a DT check is to check ALIGNMENT. Other tidbits are just useful to know. Having two ALIGNMENT DTs in a game doesnt make sense. For example, in haunted mafia(which i failed epically and will make up for), there were 2 dts for 60 people. Now, considering that we have ~ 30-40 people, I find it Extremely unlikely that town has TWO RANDOM ALIGNMENT CHECKERS. For all we know, you could be scum; you never claimed alignment (But you'll obviously claim town). And for all we know you could be lying about your role, your role actions, or anything you want. I could be lying about anything. Same can be said for everyone. Note I don't find out his role, which is why I'm sort of pissed off at Artanis for giving me this role. | ||
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At least Dr. H has had decent ones.... On November 04 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if a vig hits pandain we might have better information for our double lynch :O | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:01 KtheZ wrote: What illogical reasons? I simply ask why it took you so long to roleclaim and why your roleclaim clearly overlaps with a previously claimed role. and what does FoS mean :/ Because roleclaiming was plainly idiotic. It's not like I'm going to claim "Hey mafia, I have a role where I can find out people's alignments!" Also infinite has a good point with the doctor/plague doctor(town does have both fyi) FoS=finger of suspicion. | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:05 KtheZ wrote: Note that mafia also had their own plague doctor, so there may be role-checkers for the mafia also. So the standings right now is that you claim to be Garbage collector, and your results have turned up OBVIOUSLY unconfirmable results (who in their right mind would say "I'm not safe omg") That's why I said I can't confirm myself now. I've only revealed because you guys were going to lynch me :/ | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:09 KtheZ wrote: I noticed, which is why I think hes lying about his role/role action So you think i'm mafia, because I claimed a role which you think mafia wouldn't have. Circular reasoning ftw. | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the fact that its random makes it REALLY dumb for him to say he can indirectly confirm it since he has to rely on RNG'ing a mafia it's also convenient that he happened to clear infinitestory and nemesis with his RNG'd alignment checks, two players i felt strongly would be mafia if pandain was also red I dont' see how its indirectly confirm it. I mean, at the start there were 9 mafia and 30 mafia. That's basically a 9/39 chance, or 3/11 chance I can confirm myself each day. so by the second day it was more likely than not I could find mafia than not. | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:28 LunarDestiny wrote: WTF, if what you are saying is true (we know after the lynch with your role pm), then GG pandain. Cept coag would've stopped that "mafia vote" day 1 and mine day 2 darn you coag... | ||
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On November 05 2010 11:25 LunarDestiny wrote: Pandain, I was expecting you to make some kind of response post to everyone that are suspicious of you, but you didn't. Before day3, you are one of the most active poster and one of the best analyzer in the thread. You were battling with DrH head to head and never shown weakness. It is not like you to not counter argue the suspicions pointing at you unless you are contented with Coag being lynched today and you die at a later time. Coag, a very aggressive poster, also seem wanting to protect you by not doing what he can to label you are a better lynch than him. It really makes me believe that you are highly likely to be a mafia and that your group is ok that Coag instead of you to be lynched today. I hope I am not too late to make this post. I beg that those who didn't vote for Pandain to really consider what I state above. If that make sense to you, please change your vote to Pandain. Except now there isn't really anythign I can do. Right now I'm getting voted because of coag, and some people may say because I pushed Dr. H but I stand by my reasons there. I can't explain coagulaiton, I can't. I can't prove myself with what I have unless you believe me that I did check infinite and nemesis and that they were both innocent. But there's nothing I can do. I am upset that I am getting lynched when we have a 100% mafia, but then again DXCVII has a bomb on coag so we don't want to waste that. My only defense is that you guys look at my posts(you guys never actually analyzed me :/). And I have firm conviction that you will see I did what I thought, that I have played pro town(even if I was wrong.) The only real argument against me is that coag supported me, and coag is confirmed mafia. I would plead with the town to let me stay another night to at least get one more check, so then when I turn blue you guys have even more information. So I guess, I do have somewhat an idea: 1.We lynch someone else(I would say nemesis cause that would slightly confirm me but I don't want a blue lynched so I suppose another person.) DXCVII move his other bomb to me. Then next day, we can lynch DXCVII and the two bombs go off on me and coag. But at least I'll get another piece of information for ya'll. Do MH bombs go off when they get lynched? Also, if I do die, please look at the people who are accusing me with horrid reasoning(KtheZ for instance, or even youngminii, albeit again keep in mind if he does have an unlynchable role that would be pretty op for mafia. But then again, we don't even know his role :/) If MH | ||
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Also what to do after I get lynched(of course free to debate0. | ||
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I don't see how that makes me 75% mafia either. | ||
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On November 06 2010 01:09 youngminii wrote: You do have a point there Pandain, the only reason I voted for you was because of a little (maybe a bit more than little) scumminess I got from your posts and the fact that Coag supported you so much. DrH probably did play that up a bit much but I honestly can't think of a better person to lynch besides you (and Coag obv.). I'd love to hear what you think about Coag's adamant defense of you though, if you haven't already said so. I'll take a more specific look into it specifically, but I do remember Coag actually supporting me with my mayoral election. | ||
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On November 06 2010 01:13 youngminii wrote: That's the point, isn't it? He supported you a lot and he's (most likely) scum. He is scum. Infinite checked him, and I checked infinite, so unless he is high coag is scum. Also the fact that coag is playing so weirdly since he got found out and even used his powers. I don't have a real explanation of that(I'll see just how much he supported me), which is why I'm just sort of lost now. But what I do think is I shouldn't get lynched because of coag. | ||
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On November 06 2010 04:01 LunarDestiny wrote: To me, it seems that the mafia is comfortable letting Coag die. This makes me feel that Pandain got a very valuable role and his ability can be put to great effect tonight. Also, mafia may see Coag's role as a mafia retard is a liability and may hurt them in the future. Then there are these mod posts: Pretty sure that this is Coag's ability ~75% sure that Pandain is a mafia and Coag used his ability to nullify Pandain's vote. This is Coag's post. He used his ability on himself. This is very weird. It seemed that Coag somehow voted and his vote was canceled out. This is what I predict Coag's role ability is: - During day, he has to use his ability on one of his mafia member (including himself) and their vote will be nullify. - His way of voting is not conventional. The vote his cast on the voting thread does not count. To cast his legit vote, he has to pm the mod. So then, who should be lynched? Coag is like a dead weight to the mafia, his only contribution is bumping their number up by 1 for KP calculation. What do we do with Pandain if Coag is lynched today? Is a guarantee lynch tomorrow or should a dt check on him? We also run the danger of letting Pandain use his ability which may be very bad for town. There is a big WHAT IF in Pandain's case. There is an alternative and I want people's opinion on it. We could Pandain's word and use his ability for town. If a dt checks on him, out came RED, we lynch him. If a dt checks on him, out came Blue, then he is proven innocent. Assuming that he is Blue and didn't fake role claimed. It is possible his role ability can be of some help. We can discuss who he should check. This way, the dt check we used on him will be replaced by Pandain's check on that suspect we agreed on. This alternative eliminate the chance that Pandain being blue and we lynch the wrong target. The dt check on him isn't wasted. The lynch on him isn't wasted. The possibly we losing Pandain as blue role is eliminated. there are several things wrong with this, and some assumptions you make. - During day, he has to use his ability on one of his mafia member (including himself) and their vote will be nullify. - His way of voting is not conventional. The vote his cast on the voting thread does not count. To cast his legit vote, he has to pm the mod. iirc coag did vote during day 2. Also, during day 1 when would he have used this ability? We also run the danger of letting Pandain use his ability which may be very bad for town. You assume I am mafia, and have a very powerful role because of this. I am welcome to a DT to check me, if they can. But from my understanding of the game so far(based on my role and Infinite's), there may not be a DT who can actually check someone who he wishes to check. Which is why I'm saying that if town is dead set on lynching me and there's nothing I can do, they might as well lynch DXCVII tommorow, when he can't be roleblocked(very likely since Dr. H was telling the truth) But again, I'd like to hear more reasons why I'm being called mafia besides coag. | ||
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On November 06 2010 04:36 LunarDestiny wrote: Actually, there are not a lot of strong reasons that say you are mafia. !)Even with close voting, the mafia seems content of letting Coag die. 2)You just gave after you are accused of being mafia. 3)If you are mafia, your ability might hurt town(I know this is a IF->MIGHT double assumption). I believe there are other reasons that people pointed out earlier in the thread, but these are the reasons I am basing on when making my decision. 1.Ya, how are there signs mafia are content letting him die. 2. Mostly because I was seriously stumped. I didn't know what to say. It's like theres a confirmed DT who checks you, and say your red, when your actually a townie. 3.Yes, its a gigantic assumption. | ||
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On November 06 2010 04:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: probably because no one is bothering to defend coagulation that says mafia are content letting him die Well someone arguing for a confirmed mafia might be suspicious, eh? Just a little... | ||
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On November 06 2010 04:48 LunarDestiny wrote: So Pandain, what can be done to prove your innocence on day 4 when you have to be of a less desirable lynch than 2 people? Or you want to die a glorify death. When you die turns out blue, that we can confirm Infinitestory, Nemesis, and 1 other person's (who you check tonight) alignments? So Pandain, what can be done to prove your innocence on day 4 when you have to be of a less desirable lynch than 2 people? ?????????????????????????????????????? What do you mean by that. But yes, if on the chance that I DO end up getting lynched by town, I want to at least give you guys another confirmed townie/mafia. But actually I'm starting to realize that coag bussing me doesn't incriminate me, since mafia do that all the time with townies. But again, I can really only confirm myself if: 1.There's a dt who can use his powers on THE PERSON HE WANTS(not just random.) 2.I find mafia. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just to be clear I don't buy this shit Pandain. You get raped by DrH who sees the connection between you and Coagulation and all of a sudden you claim Trash Collector? Trash Collector? Really? Was there ever an easier mafia cover? The role that randomly alignment checks people. Pretty easy to fake when you know that there are two alignments and you know all the reds. Its the most convenient role to possibly claim, as far as I am concerned that combined with your desire for a check you are most likely the godfather. I would do an analysis but there was an awesome one by DrH a few pages back, but I don't think anyone pointed out how the role you claimed fits perfectly in with mafia. I would usually hesitate to kill a potential DT for our side but in this case I would make an exception just because of how overwhelming the evidence is. Unless something crazy happens it is really looking like you and hyperbola are up next to get the axe. Also did anyone find it funny that hyperbola was apparently inactive for 2 days then as soon as he is accused was right there to defend himself? It reaks of lurking which is generally a mafia or blue trait. In this case since everyone is blue, i'd dare say that would make the choice obvious. Ya, because faking trash collector is definitely what mafia are going to do, I mean, trash collector is like the most used role eva'! Also, this post makes one vital assumption: I am mafia. I hate how everyone is saying stuff because they think I'm mafia when really give no reasons why(other than the obvious coag) You say because I want to be checked I'm godfather, when really I just want there to be more proof I'm town. You say you would hate to kill a DT because there's so much "overwhelming evidence" yet fail to say what the evidence is despite your claim "it's easy to mafia to fake." Still means its a role, still means its useful for our side, and basically saying that BECAUSE this is a role that THEORETICALY would be possible for mafia to fake that THEREFORE I AM mafia. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah no one ever gave reasons why they think you are mafia i thought you were scum from day 1 bro You think I'm mafia because you had the information that you WERE town, I did not know and had (at least in my opinion, and I will stick with them) decent reasons to suspect you being mafia. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No, I thought you were mafia because your play was scummy. You attacked people with little to no reasoning behind it, parroted arguments from a confirmed dead mafia, have been aggressively defended by a confirmed mafia, and went out of your way to focus attacks on me while not reading/understanding my counter arguments and insisting I was lying when several people told you why that wasn't the case Several people were on my side too, Dr. H, it wasn't like I was ramming into a brick wall alone. I had reasons, and they were good. You seemed especially fishy to me ever since that poke failed. And Divinek and I do not really have the same arguments, if you would look at a post I made about that subject. The only thing which I can expect as a reason to vote me is that Coag has been bussing me, and even then I still don't think it's a valid reason to vote me just because of that. Don't forget I was the one who was saying Aeres should obviously not be lynched, as well. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: your reasons were terribly awful and you kept saying the same things over and over after i proved them wrong your big call out post on me was the worst bullshit I've ever read in a mafia game What? That you were claiming stuff about your role which your role didn't say?(although now it seems you had just forgot about that.) That you had failed to poke while running on a campaign of "I'm gonna be confirmed!" and then later said you knew you would be roleblocked but believed an unconfirmed mayor who didn't say anything about that was good for town? We know your town now, but I would do the same thing had I gone back in time. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no i didn't forget maybe you forgot because I explained how you "calling me out" on that was utter bullshit and how i never said that in the first place i can repost the part where I raped your case if you want and demonstrated how nothing you said was even close to being right or true I would like you to post where you had said about the second part of your role. And I admit you had defended yourself at least somewhat good near the end, which is why near the end I stepped back, thought about it, and decided to at least wait until the second night. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he would know, of course, if he is mafia what my alignment is ;o or the fact that a role where you poke someone and confirm your role would be utterly useless for town? Take a step back, Dr. H. I know things got heated between us two, but you have to see that I did what I thought was right. | ||
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Aren't they the ones SPREADING it? | ||
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On November 06 2010 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: not necessarily it's clear the the mafia had some anti m-rus roles though since they had a plague doctor which spread the virus by making doctors spread mrus instead of prevent.... next? | ||
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Anyway, unless you have something else, I'm going to stop spamming(unintentionally of course.) I think town is tired of dr. h-pandain debates.... | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:03 LSB wrote: Brb. I'm going to google stuff. O.o | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:05 kitaman27 wrote: You're sounding really illogical at the moment. First you are upset that the mafia used their secret vote to not lynch you, and now you are upset that you might be lynched? I'm confused. I'm upset because they did that so people would be like "OMFG PANDAIN IS MAFIA THEYRE TRYING TO SAVE HIM" and then people switch over. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:06 kitaman27 wrote: At the moment you live anyways I believe. Although why wait to use the secret vote at the end when it is too late for us to switch up? people were active... doesn't let them think... | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if pandain is town he wins the belkar award belkar award=???????? | ||
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so, then why am i being lynched? | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:11 LSB wrote: Actually your due to die. I'll update votecounts what the fadoodle. Die, live, die live, die live, A MAN CANT HANDLE THIS THREAT OF DEATH | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ughhhhh pandain has done this too many times before where he is just awful and not mafia at all i'm switching back to coagulation. its the safest choice. I don't know if I should be happy about this or sad..... | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:42 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't understand the vote switch of DrH and Beneather. If what Kitaman is true, then he almost spoiled mafia's plan of killing coag. Switch to lynch coag implies that you think kitaman is lying. Also, why did the mafia place the secret on coag who is one of them when they could have place that vote on pandain who you (DrH and Beneather) think is innocent. Is my logic correct? they placed it before hand. It's possible that kitaman switched just to encourage a huge swing, but then again he could just be an innocent townie. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Also by lynching pandain, we get the information of Kitaman's alignment since he thought he gave the deciding vote. Pandain red: Kitaman is blue Pandain blue: Kitaman is red. don't be so blind sighted, read what I said, its entirely possible kitaman just wanted to encourage the bandwagon. Of course, we shouldn't use wifom at all I suppose, is this wifom? | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:42 LunarDestiny wrote: Explain why that secret mafia vote was to coag one of their own and not to you, a self claimed blue. i already said, they probably wanted to encourage a last minute bandwagon. | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:45 LunarDestiny wrote: Why would they want to encourage bandwagoning to lynching you as oppose to sending their secret vote at the last possible minute to finalize the lynch themselves. because coag was starting to take the lead. | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:46 LunarDestiny wrote: Right before the secret mafia vote came, the voting was 12vs12. Their secret vote can finalize the result. Idk, ask them n.n. Probably feared coag getting lynched. Actually what I just realized is nobody knew LSB planned on ending day early. so they probalby thought they had more time. | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:52 LunarDestiny wrote: This clearly stated that LSB was going to end it at 7:00 KST. But many people were confused, no? | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:53 kitaman27 wrote: Why would they fear coag getting lynched and proceed to vote to lynch coag? Why do you think Dr. H/even you are mafia? | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:55 kitaman27 wrote: You just said an hour or two ago DrH was definitely town. Where did I say Dr. H was mafia with that? @Lunar destiny alright then, just listing possibilities. Again, I'm in the dark as to why they accused me but I'm going to assume they tried to do a last minute bandwagon but failed epicly | ||
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1.Dt/alignment cop, if you can, is too check me. 2.Medics need to protect people in this order: 1.Dr. H 2. Infinite 3.Me(if you don't think I'm red )4.NB 5.Other vets(Ace, Infunidiblum, L, etc...) | ||
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On November 07 2010 02:04 Amber[LighT] wrote: Why would meds protect a vet? It's pretty obvious that the mafia team isn't targeting vet players. There's almost a backwards scheme to their killing. Which is why they are the 5th choice. On November 07 2010 02:26 CubEdIn wrote: Also, why would the mafia hit you (Pandain)? You're one of the prime suspects in tomorrow's lynching. Why waste a hit on you if you're blue? Just saying. Also, @ Nemesis' "I.S. can prove his role to us by telling us the "role" of one blue in the game and they can confirm that, but not what they can do." If he were red, he could just tell us that a fellow mafia is blue, and that fellow mafia would go "yeah he's right, I am -random role-". Both confirmed = win? It's a fairly easy role to fake, but I don't think he faked it. But we'll see as the game moves on. that is true. However, they may just want to kill me now so then I can't give you any more info. But that is a valid point. | ||
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Btw, KtheZ, you checked me and got Garbage collector, correct? | ||
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On November 07 2010 14:14 KtheZ wrote: Yes, I can confirm you are a garbage collector. Alignment still unsure, but MOST probably town. Except I'm actually Trash collector.... (unsure as to how much this means, just keep it in mind.) | ||
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On November 07 2010 14:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'm going to go ahead and vote for Pandain to check our DT and possibly another player. He should have died today anyway, so I see no reason why this shouldn't happen. what do you mean, "Should have died today anyway." That's a horrible reason to lynch a blue, especially one as valuable as mine. I got extremely fortunate that there was a DT who could check me, and confirm me for who I am. As for "to check our DT" that's useless. Let's say KtheZ was sane: 1.Me and Infinite are red. Then for some inexplicable reasons mafia have two investigative roles(seriously?). 2.If he's insane, then you just lynched a valuable blue to confirm WHAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN. The other possibility is that KtheZ is red, but then lynching me won't do anything because he can just claim his check was consistent with his (in)sanity. | ||
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I don't think you guys see how much of an opportunity we have. Let's see the situation There is a slight chance there are 4 medics, meaning one is still alive. I highly doubt there is 5 though, as that would seem a bit too much. However, there is still a great chance there are no medics. Right now, we still have another double lynch. We have three investigative roles. With only about 19 people left having 3 people check 3 people each day will root out the mafia very quickly. If you guys lynch me, we will only have two checks a day, possibly no DTS by the end(as if you lynch me and get the second one wrong mafia will still have 2 kp, and with possibly no doctors meaning they might be able just to snipe them off.) Let me repeat what you guys are doing: You are lynching an alignment cop You are lynching an alignment cop You are lynching an alignment cop You are lynching an alignment cop Confirming who I have is useless if you guys lynch me and mafia take out the rest of the dt's(granted of course the second lynch is wrong, and it might be.). We need to be lynching the most suscipcious people, so we'll be able to knock off at least one kp. Right now, lowering the kp is the number one priority. | ||
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On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote: he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote: I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP. Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. 1.Whats your role name 2.What EXACTLY does it do. 3.Who else did you check. | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote: 1. I am a Watcher 2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform 3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. What exactly did you find out. Did it say "Ace has left and killed BLAH" and/or "ACE SPREADS THE MRUS" | ||
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He just claimed a role which doesn't do what it says! That's like someone claiming doctor but saying it allows him to check people instead! Honestly watcher/tracker is very easy to confuse, even I believed kitaman and thought we had found scum. But mafia screwed up, and they screwed up hard. The role he wanted to claim was tracker, but he claimed watcher. Instant FoS on everyone still voting Ace. Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something. Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts. | ||
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On November 08 2010 09:49 infinitestory wrote: ^actually, you're a bit off. The correct bolded statement is that he claimed a role which doesn't do what it usually does based on the name. I would be sure about the distinction there. No. He claims watcher, with the abilities that a Tracker should have. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:04 youngminii wrote: If Ace is scum, you're simply backing him up and digging your own grave. I say we lynch Pandain and kitaman, then when one of them flip red we'll have reduced mafia KP and we'll know the alignment of Ace. Youngminii, please use reason. All game long you have been accusing me, trying to get me killed, and have had no reasons as to why. Let me correct that, no good reasons(I don't count "I hate long analysis" as a reason. :p) Kitaman frickin screwed up. Its obvious for EVERYONE TO SEE. And what you're saying is to lynch AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE. Let me repost this. On November 08 2010 04:25 Pandain wrote: Wow, I roleclaimed so then you guys wouldn't lynch me but now I'm getting lynched because of it. I don't think you guys see how much of an opportunity we have. Let's see the situation There is a slight chance there are 4 medics, meaning one is still alive. I highly doubt there is 5 though, as that would seem a bit too much. However, there is still a great chance there are no medics. Right now, we still have another double lynch. We have three investigative roles. With only about 19 people left having 3 people check 3 people each day will root out the mafia very quickly. If you guys lynch me, we will only have two checks a day, possibly no DTS by the end(as if you lynch me and get the second one wrong mafia will still have 2 kp, and with possibly no doctors meaning they might be able just to snipe them off.) Let me repeat what you guys are doing: You are lynching an alignment cop You are lynching an alignment cop You are lynching an alignment cop You are lynching an alignment cop Confirming who I have is useless if you guys lynch me and mafia take out the rest of the dt's(granted of course the second lynch is wrong, and it might be.). We need to be lynching the most suscipcious people, so we'll be able to knock off at least one kp. Right now, lowering the kp is the number one priority. Honestly I can't believe people are still falling for this... HE FAKE ROLECLAIMED THE WRONG ROLE. | ||
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On November 08 2010 09:54 infinitestory wrote: As for this, a sudden bandwagon on Ace wouldn't save the player with the highest vote count. It would save the player with the second highest vote count. Who had the second highest vote count before kitaman's announcement? oshi- >_> -.- good point, but don't forget meepback was like only one vote behind? | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:14 infinitestory wrote: your claim of investigative role is hardly more believable than kitaman's Ya, cause mafia are definitely going to claim Trash Collector.... And he's also the one who FAKE ROLECLAIMED! Let me post this many times, in case people don't understand. We have like a surefire lynch right here. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:07 kitaman27 wrote: I stated the night I watched him and he then confirmed he did not make an action on that date. There is no convenience as he did not reveal his actions prior to my declaration. Your argument is wrong. Pandain, look at Ace throwing you under the bus. I know Ace and I are of opposite alignments. I can see the possibility of you being a mislead town who bought into Ace's deceptive argument. That's why I have not pushed against you while you target me. Honestly you fake claimed a role. I find it a definite possibility that you are just a scum who fadoodled up. My previous suspicions of ace are below the new doubt about you. Here: Artanis, did you screw up any role PMs? | ||
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On November 09 2010 01:38 kitaman27 wrote: \ Those who immediately opposed my claim without a strong reason to believe otherwise. Specifically: KtheZ, Pandain, youngminii Actually, I originally supported your plan and then switched because you claimed the wrong role. But apprently the mods screwed up...but didn't. I'm just going to go under the assumption your pro town at the moment since it seems likely both of you are. But anyway, I'd like to hear the reasons why people are voting me. Rather than someone like KtheZ who seems fishy atm and hyperbola who Dr. H did a huge analysis on and so forth. | ||
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glasse-"i'll vote for whoever has most votes" nb: "follow the bandwagon!" As for youngmini, what happened to lynching other people than me. Wtf.... RoL, I'd like to hear reasons why. Infinite, why? Hyperbola, why? Kenpachi, -.-. and why? | ||
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On November 09 2010 06:40 Glasse wrote: i think ace is mafia, i think i missed the whole hyperbola thing, why is everyone voting for him? WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME On November 09 2010 06:46 Kenpachi wrote: I want to activate my powers .. and you were suppose to die and killing you may lead to findings on KtheZ.. we're still doing that right? EXCEPT ALL YOU WILL DO IS KILL AN ALIGNMENT COP. And me dead won't have any information on KtheZ, whether I am mafia OR town. | ||
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In addition so I can stay alive(one of the main reasons) I have reason to doubt he's actually clean. For one, he got my role wrong(I had even given him a chance to correct himself, but he failed again) Also, he has played somewhat scummily(voting nemesis just because he noted out flaws, despite the fact he knows im blue, and I checked nemesis to be safe. so wtf there.) Finally, the contradictions pointed out by nemesis are evident. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:31 KtheZ wrote: I would say that godfather would wreak the most havoc as mayor; Thus, I'm probably going to hold off my vote for a bit till I read up on the posts. However, I'd like to ask DrH 1 question, sorry if it hasnt been answered How can we be 100% sure you are not scum if there is the possibility of having shapeshifters in this game? Then you can always claim that you "guessed" wrong if you lynch a townie, and DT checks would show up as town. first post. questions Dr. H, later to be town. It's alright I guess, I pushed dr. h even harder. On November 03 2010 09:22 KtheZ wrote: Holy crap, I just noticed there were entire posts devoted to me. I'll come out as part of the shattered circle fishball was head of, and that youngminii was indeed added to our circle. The only way I can now communicate is through this topic, I suppose. Alright wtf. posts 3 days later. THREE DAYS LATER. Now, here's what I find funny. How did he still manage to vote and everything. Was he really lurking? could be, maybe just made rash decisions and voted. Note this does fit in with the whole "I was afk , couldn't check night one", but seriously you have 24 hours to do that. On November 03 2010 09:23 KtheZ wrote: The only reason I dislike posting is cause i hate having dumb questions, just like kids who raise their hand in class only to be laughed down (cause of their dumb questions) Gives reason for being afk. Dislikes posting...? On November 03 2010 09:24 KtheZ wrote: I'll try to be more active now. okay.... On November 03 2010 09:42 KtheZ wrote: This is what I immediately thought of after I read bumatlarge's post. I think its most probably that townies DONT have a virus spreading role; that role is extremely anti-town. agrees with previously said things. No opinions. On November 04 2010 07:12 KtheZ wrote: Just wondering, whats a stick/oracle/masonmaker? To add to your points: I agree that it is highly unlikely for there to be 3+ medics, mainly for the reasons you stated. Since we have lost 2 plague doctors ( Mafia and townie ones), it would probably to be safe to assume theres a HARD MAXIMUM OF 3 left, and a likely minimum of one that is town aligned. So now since M-itis has become a HUGE kill factor in this game, I'd like to point out this observation: All townies should consider if they really NEED to perform their role; Weigh out the risks and benefits of performing your role. Right now, 3 people out of 28 are infected, so there is a ~11% chance of infection (3/27) if you decide to act. Of course, people like PD, medic, VITAL power roles should act, but what im trying to throw out is to: ATTEMPT TO CONTAIN THE SPREAD OF M-ITIS RATHER THAN SPREADING IT. This post is intended to deter people from performing their roles without WEIGHING OUT THE RISKS. gives post about mrrayitis. However, I don't like that his solution is DONT USE YOUR BLUE ROLES! Very anti town to me. On November 04 2010 07:17 KtheZ wrote: Its hard to believe it was randomly distributed, since noone started with M-itis, and it is MOST probable that mafia chose an outspoken person to infect first. Outspoken townie=good to infect???? how does that work. On November 04 2010 07:20 KtheZ wrote: Wait how would it favor town in deaths and information? The only information we get is who died, their role, and how much the disease has spread. The information gleaned is relatively useless if the people are dead, isnt it? keeps speaking about murrayitis. I don't like this, in my eyes this woudl be a very clever way for mafia to appear to "contribute" without actually contributing. In this case, almost all his posts have been about murrayitis, when really it is a negligible concern at this point. On November 04 2010 08:20 KtheZ wrote: Lets hope I got out of lurker status in time :/ OKAY NOTE THIS. This came out 8 minutes after night post came up. Now, he's supposed to have checked me and received "mafia trash collector", correct? Why hasn't he said anything about it. Let's note when he finally does start accusing me. On November 04 2010 08:59 KtheZ wrote: Read from top up; After browsing through the last 20-30 pages, I find Pandain to be the most scummy right now. His last 2 notable posts are: 1. I find it quite scummy how he is trying to give directions to the blue roles, while also trying to have the medics mass save this one person. He tries to cover this up by telling PM circles to coordinate, but he knows full well that several PM circles (fishball and bumatlarge for now) have gone to hell. 2. He made an enormous post about how Dr.H is oh so terrible and scummy (on page 109), but it seems apparent to me that Dr.H has already roleclaimed and proven (sorta, not 100% sure) that he is what he is. Also, Pandain has no evidence of being pro-town besides his extreme insistence of lynching the mayor. 3. He parrotted divinek (mafia) ---- Basically quoted from Dr.H Basically, I think Pandain is mafia because of his insistence on assaulting Dr.H, but lacks comprehensive evidence that he is pro-town. Pandain mentioned that he would have enough evidence to come forth on day 2 or day 3. Isn't that a blatantly obvious stall for time? If he is DT or ANYTHING he should be able to prove himself HERE and NOW, rather than need several days to compile evidence of his non-guilt. He basically took all the arguments about undefined role against him, and "postponed" them so that he could instead hound Dr.H on what HIS role is. I'd prefer if someone proved me wrong, but this is what I managed to conclude after reading for like 20-30 minutes of the forum. I may add more later. some notes: General: First, it came out roughly 47 minutes after night post came out. KtheZ had posted about 37 minutes beforehand. He says it took 20-30 minutes to reread the forum, but 1.Why wasn't he reading it before. 2. Why did it take so long? Moving forward, let's dissect a special problem with this post. I'd prefer if someone proved me wrong, but this is what I managed to conclude after reading for like 20-30 minutes of the forum. Alright, here's what SHOULD Be KtheZ's mindset: "Man, Pandain is mafia. I got him! hehehehehe" Here's what he says: "I'd prefer if someone proved me wrong....." wtf.... On November 04 2010 09:04 KtheZ wrote: Well I just made a post on why pandain, but please, ask me questions rather than tell me to explain myself; I dont really know what "explaining myself" involves saying. -.- Again, shouldn't you be thinking that I'm mafia? What's with the "Oh, we can lynch him tommorow." On November 04 2010 09:37 KtheZ wrote: kitaman we can BOTH DO PAGE 5 :D but with all seriousness, how do I know which page is which O.o mm On November 04 2010 10:03 KtheZ wrote: Just finished looking at page 5. This included most of the shitstorm between Dr.H and pandain, as well as a TON OF NESTED QUOTES WITH PANDAIN IN IT. What I CAN conclude is that youngminii was at odds with pandain. He noticed the Dr.H - pandain feud, and attacked pandain ( and Dr.H, but to a lesser extent). Dinner time, bbl. great analsis. On November 04 2010 10:30 KtheZ wrote: Pandain, anyone can scream unconfirmable role if they decide to roleclaim. Why hasnt Dr.H? And why are you the FIRST PERSON in the game to claim this? Also, at least giving details on the CONDITIONS that need to be achieved so you can confirm your role would be nice, instead of this vague stuff we keep getting. Again, you just confirmed my role. So how is it unconfirmable. Credits to nemesis for first poniting this out. also trying to fish for my role. On November 04 2010 10:43 KtheZ wrote: Basically, I'm bothered that you are claiming to have an "unconfirmable role" when noone else in the game has done this for an extended period of time. Dr. H said this in the beginning (well, maybe), but nonetheless, we have a solid basis of what his role is. Considering that you were being extremely anal over how Dr.H was not confirming his role, I find your stalling extremely scum-like. Anyone is able to say that they have an unconfirmable role. What I am asking for is the details of the conditions you require to confirm your role. You said earlier that you had a way to confirm your role, but it has not occured yet. It would probably be best for town if we knew what this was, so we could confirm you as whoever you are. There isn't a reason to hold this back; The simple details of WHAT YOU NEED TO CONFIRM YOUR ROLE is not enough to paint a target on you; I would say people like the ADD DT, Dr.H, etc are prime targets for a hit. Also, first says I just need to give conditions for my role. Now he says thats not enough. WHY DOES NO ONE SEE THIS. On November 04 2010 10:48 KtheZ wrote: Since we have a claimed ADD detective, I find it HIGHLY unlikely there is ANOTHER TOWN ALIGNED RANDOM DETECTIVE. Um.... haven't you realized your insane yet. On November 04 2010 10:56 KtheZ wrote: The main purpose of a DT check is to check ALIGNMENT. Other tidbits are just useful to know. Having two ALIGNMENT DTs in a game doesnt make sense. For example, in haunted mafia(which i failed epically and will make up for), there were 2 dts for 60 people. Now, considering that we have ~ 30-40 people, I find it Extremely unlikely that town has TWO RANDOM ALIGNMENT CHECKERS. For all we know, you could be scum; you never claimed alignment (But you'll obviously claim town). And for all we know you could be lying about your role, your role actions, or anything you want. EBWODP mmm i think you are. On November 04 2010 11:05 KtheZ wrote: Note that mafia also had their own plague doctor, so there may be role-checkers for the mafia also. So the standings right now is that you claim to be Garbage collector, and your results have turned up OBVIOUSLY unconfirmable results (who in their right mind would say "I'm not safe omg") claims im garbate collector, says in unconfirmed, despite the fact he should know my role and be able to confirm it by now. On November 04 2010 11:17 KtheZ wrote: Not necessarily. Let me correct myself. I think you have a chance of being mafia because you claim an undoubtedly pro-town role, but we are still unable to confirm it in any way. However, I am getting second thoughts, congrats. WTF?Second thoughts? Seriously, at this point you think you've found a mafia. How can you have second thoughts. On November 04 2010 13:02 KtheZ wrote: How do we DT check you if we're not even sure if there is a DT that can target people? And how will he NOT reveal himself? There isnt (or i dont think) another circle with a confirmed DT that can do this, and if he does, well, mafia just got a prime rib course in their target buffet. Um...what about you????? Very suscipcious post. Trying to get me lynched because of this??? Despite the fact he knows he can(and did?) This is part one! | ||
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On November 09 2010 07:55 Ace wrote: ## unvote Kenpachi vote Pandain -.- why? | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:11 KtheZ wrote: Why would you vote me? I'm the person who confirmed your role! I DID correct myself, idk what you're saying. I stopped voting nemesis, instead moving my vote to kitaman. 1.I'm about to die. 2.No, not until we had pointed out your mistake. 3.Ya, but why did you in the first time. Also, to respond to a large portion of your analysis of me: I did not want to confirm your role, because, as I have stated before, I did not want to roleclaim. Does it really matter to me a LOT what your role name is, when I checked you and found you to be mafia? I was convinced that you were mafia, and that you were lying about WHAT your role could do (Note that I knew you didnt lie about your role). But why woudl you say ITS UNCONFIRMABLE. When you had even checked me! A lot of what you pointed out in your analysis was me trying to NOT indicate obvious detective-ness, such as my I'm obviously making sure mafia doesn't suspect I'm a detective. it would be bad if I caught the attention of the mafia and got hit, wouldn't it? Well, I was convinced your ROLE ACTION WAS NOT WHAT YOU CLAIMED. Notice that I keep asking for your ROLE ACTION. no, several times you said just role. "unconfirmable role" "obviously lying about role." No I have not realized I am insane; that was on the same day. actually right about this one. | ||
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Me, Ace, or kthez. I want to hear your honest opinion. If you think KtheZ out of all of usthen you should vote him since voting for kenpachi doesn't mean anything | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:19 Glasse wrote: oh god amberlight don't unvote ace, hes mafia i'd bet my dick on it :3 same for you | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:20 KtheZ wrote: The simple response to almsot everything you say here is: I say your role is unconfirmable because THAT QUALIFIER IS NECESSARY for me so I can pretend I DO NOT HAVE A DT ROLE. If I went up and said your role action is unconfirmed, but your role is confirmed, doesnt that absolutely SCREAM that I am a DT? So you lied? You don't have to say the role is unconfirmable, just give reasons why you think I'm mafia. claiming its unconfirmable is just...anti town. | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:24 KtheZ wrote: There is no other way for me to pretend im not DT besides saying that. Or not bring up that point? no? | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:26 Glasse wrote: i wish i could vote twice for ace, i kinda believe pandain is town. i'm sure ace is mafia though. if pandain turns town i feel like amberlight should be looked at for saving ace :3 why? don't just say "I don't think he's mafia" Say WHY!!!!! why not kthez for instance? read my analysisssssssssss | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:27 Glasse wrote: I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READDDD LEARN HOW!!!!! FAST! I BELIEVE IN YOU | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:32 Glasse wrote: you did just save my mafia suspect by unvoting him, amber[light] with less than an hour left, why? to save your mafia buddy? glasse answer my questions? At amber, WHY do people think Im mafia. That's what im not hearing at ALL. | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:34 Glasse wrote: answer to why?: because. i don't know how to read i told you If ace is lynched and is blue, instant FoS(even more) on glasse. | ||
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Explain now. I know you can't have any role with extra info because all your role does is post twitters in night/day post. | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote: fuck i don't want to throw the deciding stone #unvote kthez #vote hyperbola people will be mad at me and stuff Yeah wth is this? It's not even the deciding stone.... @amber, so its all because of information? Again, I don't think lynching AN ALIGNMENT COP because of info is good, especially when i can grant even more. | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:50 KtheZ wrote: Why the hell would you lynch a potential Alignment AND Role cop then? A potential? | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:52 Glasse wrote: well i'm not very good at making huge post to analyse people so i rather just stick to reading and making my own decision on who i think is the most obvious target to vote for. @L I'm blue because my role is useless without pm and i would not have revealed it if i could pm people :3 reds would have probably stopped me from doing retarded shit with my role if i was a part of their team. Causing chaos in town is not a good thing to do so i decided to reveal my role and basically making me a green with super twitter abilities. The radio was canceled the day i didn't send a pm so i think that should also prove it. If you don't believe me i don't care, you'll see whenever i die and then i hope you will feel bad about yourself. I can try to talk more but, if you look at haunted mafia, what i did mostly was analyse clues and try to find reds that way, i did not really post anything else. Also pandain i didnt look at vote numbers but i posted after L so i thought it was :O voting twice is confusing, i'll stick with ace, my first target. Wth... Glasse please give reasons why at least. On November 09 2010 08:53 KtheZ wrote: I'm referring to myself as a potential because you guys arent sure of what I am, which is obviously why you're voting for me. Fine how bout this: Because your scum, have made many slip ups, and contradictions? | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:57 KtheZ wrote: I am not scum, And thus I have not slipped up. I have only made like 1 or 2 contradictions. Otherwise I have explained myself very clearly. watch mafia ninja the vote onto me. see now you admit you even made contradictions! | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:01 Infundibulum wrote: why are people voting for kenpachi/ VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTe | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:21 Glasse wrote: after tonight it will be 10 on 5, so we might have chances. actually it's somewhat good, somewhat. means me, and infinite, and even somewhat kitaman have a 50% chance of finding a red each. However, we need medics to protect most importantly me and infinite, and then kitaman. | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:25 Glasse wrote: this is @ace btw oh and even more i KNOW you're red how | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:26 Glasse wrote: my pinky is telling me Do you have extra information? Or are you just joking around again? | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:35 Infundibulum wrote: it still boggles me that out of all the detectives not one checked Ace all game (unless there's an unclaimed DT out there) it seems most of us are random dts(with the exception of KtheZ :/). | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:41 Infundibulum wrote: Anyway, who started the analysis of KtheZ? Pandain? ya :/ Still don't see why he would play like that... Am I too quick to make judgements? Or what :/ I feel like I'm playing pretty poorly this game, other than correctly guessing aeres was innocent. | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:48 Infundibulum wrote: who were KtheZ checks again? I can't find the post infinite and me, both mafia but he was insane | ||
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On November 09 2010 10:50 L wrote: Uh, you unvoted him just before the first deadline occured. Why are you even asking the question. I have the entire vote rollout RIGHT IN THE POST. shhh chill's streaming. Join in his suffering. | ||
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On November 09 2010 18:23 youngminii wrote: wait wtf HOW DID PANDAIN NOT GET LYNCHED? because im not mafia -,.- I swear, I want to hear REASONS why I'm mafia not just vauge "he's agressive...." | ||
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The reasons why people me lynched: Couldn't confirm my role. Could be godfather, even if. Coag seemed to support me. Out of these, only the claim I could be godfather still stands. But you see, that's where it becomes obvious you guys have no real reason to lynch me. Anyone could be godfather. ANYONE. In fact, when dealing with a possible godfather, the only choice you have is to look at my actions. A while ago, people said they were gonig to analyze my posts. They never really did. Trust me, I ask of you to look through my posts, and you will realize I played with the best intentions in hand. | ||
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On November 10 2010 02:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol I think its a logical assumption that there is a godfather in this game. There is a bunch of power roles, I would imagine getting a bunch of power roles for mafia involved a godfather, and no that is not the only argument against pandain. Do I seriously have to do an analysis on him? Is everyone's recall that bad? The argument against pandain is typical mafia aggression, convenient lynches yesterday and chaos that caused him to live and two innocent people to get lynched. When hunting for mafia you don't just look at the behavior as one, you have to assume the town is getting manipulated and see who that manipulation benefited the most, especially on a double lynch that dodged all mafia deaths on day 4. Pandain has continued his aggression and was supported by coagulation while double attacking DrH. A strong mafia tell is defending your partner by attacking his attacker, its the same shit. He is just hiding behind a facade of being a half useful detective role which magically has not turned up a mafia role yet, how I am not surprised? If you seriously want to make me do it and explaining the above twice isn't enough to go off of I will do the analysis but it will take a lot of time that I don't think I need to spend on him. So if you believe i'm godfather, than their are only two investigative roles in the game. And you think that warrants the definite conclusion there is a godfather? And you're blaming me for the lynches yesterday? Who did you vote again? Oh yeah, hyperbola. Let me make something about me straight: If I think someone is scum, I will pressure them until the ends of the earth. No one defended KtheZ, not at all. I can take that to believe everyone felt as I did. | ||
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On November 10 2010 06:10 youngminii wrote: a lot of people ignored that fact because they were swayed by the mafia when they decided to support pandain with lots of 'reasoning' KILL PANDAIN Again, where are the reasons why people think I'm scum. | ||
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On November 10 2010 05:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Two claimed investigative roles in the game remaining is what I think you mean. We still have IS and Kitaman, but if you disagree that Kita could be considered an investigative role then you can't very well say yours is either. If you want to count that ends us with 4 supposed investigative roles that are public as of now, which is ignoring the possibility that someone in the game has a role and just hasn't claimed. You, Kita, KtheZ and IS are the ones who have claimed investigative roles, three of you remain. I honestly have no idea how KtheZ got lynched to be honest. As far as my vote on Hyperbola goes, it seemed like a good lynch and I wasn't hear to see all the band wagoning and lack of resistance against it, or maybe I would of thought twice, however I doubt it. I also voted for you if you remember, and I blame the chaos of the day for letting you get off the hook. I was busy and didn't get to catch up until the day actually ended and here we are. The thing is, if you think someone is scum you have to be open to the possibility that they are not as well, usually that doesn't lead to such an extreme level of aggression. Being overly aggressive like you have been is a clear mafia tell, and yes you can say you would pursue anyone to the ends of the earth but keep in mind I have played with you before and I know that is bullshit. In team melee mafia you posted a pretty good analysis but let the mafia team dismiss it and continue running the town. So saying that you are always aggressive when you believe someone is mafia is a load of shit. You attacked people multiple times this game with half an idea in your head and just continued ramming into a wall hoping to cause an effect, and in previous games when you actually put thought and time into something you don't even pressure your opinion and your thoughts, you just let yourself get ignored then killed the following night. Does that really sound consistent with what you are saying? Again, if there's a godfather there's got to be a reason why. Mainly, for immunity from DT checks/alignment cops. Now, what you're saying is I'm godfather. If that was true, then why would there be a godfather if there's only two investigative roles(one of them even random.) I don't count kita as an investigative role, he's a watcher/tracker or w/e. As for me not being agressive previous games, note that I said "If I think someone is scum." In those games, I was persuaded that they were in fact not scum. If no one gives reasons why someone is not scum, after I give my argument, then I will go ahead on my own belief they are scum. That's why me and Dr. H were just in intense debate, because we were running around in circles but had different interpertations of certain facts that were essential to the debate. | ||
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On November 10 2010 06:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: So you wrote an analysis on someone because you didn't think they were scum? you out yourself here. In those games you put real effort into proving someone was scum but were discouraged away from it, now in this game you are scum and you attack people and you are claiming you are MORE convinced in this game that those you accused of scum are/were scum which is how you justify attacking them without a second thought? It seems like you are admitting in your previous games that you applied more caution to your accusations while in this game you seem to haphazardly attacked people with unruly conviction. The only reason you would be MORE relentless in a game then you are now is either a complete change in personality or a different role which is making you act differently. The choice seems obvious considering that was only 1-2 games ago. If you want to add further evidence on top of that you are MORE SURE in an insane mafia set up of someones role where everything is erratic and hectic then you were in a standard F11 set up where everything plays out normally. Do you see the issue here? You should be more confident in a game with more open information but instead you somehow are more confident in this game where the roles are crazy and people motivations can never be 100% sure until they flip. No. The reason in this game is because no one is giving me a convincing argument that these people AREN'T scum. As for writing an analysis on someone I didn't think was scum, who was that? | ||
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I think he's saying he shot Decondou and apparently ace didn't. But I'm not sure why he didn't say so right away.... | ||
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he said "what are you going to put in radio looney" | ||
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You guys are vigi's with the power to pm each other and also put stuff into radio looney? | ||
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2.Why are you sharing with town. 3.Are you third party, or something else. | ||
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I'm so confused. | ||
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I still don't understand why you claimed, what if mafia just snipes you off now? | ||
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so you didn't because you were scared of ace? Even though you had FRICKIN UNDENIABLE PROOF HE WAS LYING? | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:40 LunarDestiny wrote: What proof? At that point, we don't want to reveal everything. could've just claimed you were the vigi :/ but w/e, I guess that was just the best move in retrospect. | ||
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+2 third party Also for those of you saying I'm GF(*cough RoL *cough*) RoL is mafia, ace says he suspected me and is mafia, and veldril is blue. So Murrayitis didn't strike yet? | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:53 kitaman27 wrote: Good luck town. Watch out for Artanis[Xp]'s pro-mafia role names :p wait you died???? ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | ||
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I checked Kenpachi. He's scum. | ||
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Then I realized all the active people are dead(infinite...kitaman somewhat) Besides Glasse, and somewhat Lunar I guess. But they don't seem to care :/ | ||
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Anyway...we need to find the second lynch target. | ||
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On November 10 2010 09:45 LunarDestiny wrote: Pandain, who did you check for all of your night actions? Well remember it was random. Let's see... night 1: infnite Night two: nemesis Night three: Veldril Night 4: Kenpachi. All innocent 'cept Kenpachi | ||
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Pandain Infundibulump Nemesis LIKELY BLUE Node MAFIA Kenpachi THIRD PARTY Glasse LunarDestiny THE UNKNOWN Meapak_Ziphh youngminii L NB somewhat Node Alright, what do we know? There are three mafia left. Kenpachi is one of them. Therefore, two of them are on the unknown list. The person I'm most suscipcious: Meepack. Infinite was hard against him, veldril voted him. I'll have to relook at Meepack's analysis but I'm thinking he might be a good second lynch. All we have to do is go through each of the unknowns one by one .I think we're about to start really approaching inevitable victory | ||
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On November 10 2010 10:05 LunarDestiny wrote: BTW, I propose double lynch tomorrow. We'll just kill every uncertain people if we have to. 1 certain mafia. 5 uncertain people. Today we lynch the certained mafia, lynch 1 uncertain person, I kill 1 uncertain person at night. Worst possible outcome: 1 dead mafia, 2 dead blue. Remaining: 3 uncertained people. Tomorrow: Double lynch and night kill. GG Unfortunately I don't believe we have another double lynch... | ||
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On November 10 2010 14:42 LunarDestiny wrote: Triple post. Also Pandain say that Kenpachi is mafia. Like Coag after he was accused, Kenpachi already lost confidence to prove his innocence. Maybe you can give him some confidence by proving that he is not mafia. wat | ||
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On November 10 2010 14:50 LunarDestiny wrote: Kenpachi's confidence meter: You want me to give him confidence? *scratches head* | ||
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On November 10 2010 14:53 LunarDestiny wrote: Look at other who is blue and was being lynched, they did a lot more to prove themselves. ? Who's other. Sorry for spamming a bit. | ||
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On November 10 2010 14:57 LunarDestiny wrote: The other lynched players except Ace since he is mafia. I don't remember any single one of them gave up so fast. Prob because, like coag, he knew he had got caught so just resorted to spamming the thread. 'night. | ||
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On November 11 2010 06:44 LunarDestiny wrote: Thanks for the help. However that still means you could ally with them.... I'll have to analyze this... after some sc2 first | ||
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Right now: 6 town, 3 mafia, two 3rd party. With secret mafia vote, mafia could've theoretically won already if I hadn't found mafia already. But point is, let's see if we mislynch for the second and hit a town: Night comes, mafia allies with third party. So then 3 deaths will happen (node, 3rd party kp + mafia kp) All most likely town(assuming node is town, which I think is safe to say.) So then it will be 3 town, 2 mafia, and two third party. They win. Having third party live is too dangerous. Even though I originally believed it would be in our best intentions, I think taking out the KP person in the third party will solve that, in addition to the fact it's one less vote for mafia. Right now I'm proposing we lynch Kenpachi and LunarDestiny. | ||
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On November 11 2010 11:39 L wrote: If Kenpachi is blue and you aren't, the game ends here. CLEVER PLOY EL PADRINO. Do I really need to point out all the reasons that show I'm blue? | ||
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On November 11 2010 11:34 Pandain wrote: Hmm.... L's partly right.... Right now: 6 town, 3 mafia, two 3rd party. With secret mafia vote, mafia could've theoretically won already if I hadn't found mafia already. But point is, let's see if we mislynch for the second and hit a town: Night comes, mafia allies with third party. So then 3 deaths will happen (node, 3rd party kp + mafia kp) All most likely town(assuming node is town, which I think is safe to say.) So then it will be 3 town, 2 mafia, and two third party. They win. Having third party live is too dangerous. Even though I originally believed it would be in our best intentions, I think taking out the KP person in the third party will solve that, in addition to the fact it's one less vote for mafia. Right now I'm proposing we lynch Kenpachi and LunarDestiny. Can someone please tell me WHY we shouldn't do this -.-. It's like everyone just ignored it. | ||
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On November 12 2010 01:56 youngminii wrote: 1. There's the part where one of you waited for the other to discuss the events before posting in case you were doing something stupid. 2. Show me the part where it says LunarDestiny is indeed the only KP role in the third party. 3. Doesn't matter because Murrayitis is probably going to blow tonight and it's probably on mostly town people, which you as scum are aware of and will make us lose anyway. 4. You and Nemesis both voted for a double lynch yesterday which is the dumbest thing town could do in a situation where Murrayitis is about to blow and most of scum is not currently known. I'd go back to your earlier posts for a proper analysis but I think this will do fine. MAn, I still don't see how people can be so blind as to continue the charade that I'm godfather. There's two possibilities why: 1.You are mafia. 2.You are a townie who hasn't realized all the reasons why I'm obviously blue. Which is it? As for the 3rd party thing, you have a good point. Lunnar/Glasse, do you have a kp as a team, or just lunar. | ||
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Right now: 6 town, 3 mafia, 2 3rd party. Start of night: 6 town, 3 mafia. Start of day: 4 town, 3 mafia. We outnumber them, and it's lylo, but we know a mafia(kenpachi.) I'll know I'll be active at that exact moment to vote him. Thoughts? | ||
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On November 12 2010 05:48 youngminii wrote: 4v3 in a situation where most townies are unsure of what's what? it will only take ONE townie to be influenced by the 3 scum to make the wrong choice and they win. plus there's also murrayitis blowing i don't even know why you want to kill third party when they'll help us kill pandain and nemesis kthx BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY WILL HELP US? I have no doubt that if they have the chance to win, they will ally with mafia. In addition, if we lynch lunar, there's one less with mrus. And I'm still waiting for reasons why I'm mafia, when the arguments against me have been reiterated by scum(RoL and Ace i.e.) I agree we're in a bad situation either way though :/ | ||
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On November 12 2010 05:57 LunarDestiny wrote: Let's see what I have done for town: Killed deconduo. Not intentionally do it for town. But it still benefited town. Killed Ace. I could have followed my third target (Veldril). I didn't. I targeted the one who lied to town. Told town about everything in fear that I will die and town will still be confused about the mafia death. All I get is a lynch. Nice. Your third party. You do what you can to win. Like when you killed ace(knew he's scum), you thought you were already dead so you claimed. also lol @kenpachi | ||
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How'd I do? Good things, bad thing? Flaws and strenghts? Learning time n.n Haha I made so many slips and everything(such as reveal L's role when no one knew it, L EVEN BROUGHT THAT UP haha). I was just glad we had so many vet's on that team(ace...RoL...L etc.) Then they died and I was like "what the hell." Thank god L was there. | ||
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On November 12 2010 11:35 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm just curious about Pandain's reasoning for killing me night 2. i actually don't think I wanted YOU killed... I think that was someone else. | ||
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I.e: RoL being afk meant Doctor. H wasn't roleblocked, when he should've been. Me slipping up many times Ace being shot RoL dying(we should've roleblocked amber :p) Third party entering. And then there were funny parts: KtheZ getting lynched(a dt too!) People thinking I'm confirmed RoL always yelling "I HATE YOU" whenever I did something stupid :D Coagulation resorting to spam and just bs afterwards, and then people actually take him into consideration. this game was insane. | ||
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Legendary game though. | ||
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