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At this point, things are even, but if mafia still has that secret vote power, it means mafia was happy to keep it within one, which means that Ace is probably mafia. The previous voter on the Pandain train who isn't confirmed is Kenpachi. I haven't looked at the post-extension votes yet, but I'm starting another game of Lol so gimme a bit. | ||
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On November 09 2010 10:53 infinitestory wrote: man, lol is really an unfortunate name for a video game I know, right? | ||
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On November 09 2010 11:03 infinitestory wrote: OR the mafia vote can't be used two days in a row? i dunno, that was a theory that was raised when it went unused on day 2, and it's certainly been used-unused-used-unused That seems possible, but having a mafia role be a strictly shittier version of a town role (jcarl's floridian) seems to be at odds with standard balancing. Especially when mafia seem to have had another net 1 swing to votes in the retard role. Its posssible, I guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were holding it back, then decided that we're complete idiots during the KtheZ push and didn't need it. | ||
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On November 10 2010 10:00 LunarDestiny wrote: The not certain people. Please step up and prove your innocence. Meapak_Ziphh Node - Oracle??? youngminii L NB So, are you asking me to roleclaim or what's the story here? | ||
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On November 10 2010 11:20 Nemesis wrote: Wow, I just got back, and lots of shit happened. First, NB is most likely blue. He was targetted by the random +1 kill, but he survived because he was switched with DoctorH. Second, kenpachi lol nice attempt. Third, that leaves the two mafia with one of these people:: Meapak_Ziphh youngminii L And out of those 3, I'm willing to bet that L is one of the other two mafia. Seriously, his attempt at trying to paint me red was patethic. And as for voting patterns: Day 1 - DoctorH(Masq) Day 2 - CubedIn Day 3 - Pandain Day 4 - KtheZ and Nemesis Lastly, do we still have one more double lynch? L is red because he called me out as inactive? Sounds legit. Anyways, where's node at? | ||
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The rest of the post, similarly, and perhaps oddly, ignores RoL's idea that there might be a godfather in the game, and that its probably pandain. Why is that odd? Well, because you're 'confirmed' because he has you on his list. But if his list is bullshit, then so is your confirmation. Oh but wait, if his list is bullshit, then Kenpachi might be blue too, and lynching me/him would win you the game. If you were blue, you'd know you aren't confirmed, and that pandain isn't either. Between you just plain lying about my positions, playing scummy all game, and overzealously trying to claim that you're confirmed, there doesn't seem to be much room for doubt. You've pretty much cemented that you/pandain are mafia in my mind. | ||
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On November 10 2010 13:52 Nemesis wrote: LOL you are using RoL's idea that there is a godfather role and it's probably Pandain when RoL flipped red. So you are using an argument that another red used to try and lynch someone? Can you be any more scummy at this point? Uh, if RoL flips red it doesn't mean he was lying. Every information role in the game was summarily killed, with the exception of pandain. Why? Mafia do this all the time. The argument you've made here is one of the only real examples of WIFOM in the thread. Lunar: This is pretty much why I think the list is bullshit; Coag asked DTs to check Pandain on day 1. This alone, pretty much one of the only requests for a DT check, is a huge GF tip off, especially in a game where everyone is blue; why bother asking for role confirmation unless you're going to leverage your role for something else? Coag isn't a super brilliant mafia player either; when he asked for a DT to check Pandain, it probably wasn't to leave a paper trail later. Add that to Pandain parroting divinek's posts, and its pretty self explanatory. Nemesis is just the cherry on the cake. With these last posts he's pushed the notion that Pandain's innocent for the aim of having himself cleared. The best part is that when I flip blue he knows he doesn't have anything to fear, because town will have lost 2 blues during the lynch, then another 2 during the night, leaving town with 2+2 third party vs 3 mafia+ the potential secret mafia vote, for an instant win. | ||
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So are you saying that Kitz who checked Pandain lying? No, I'm saying that if Pandain is godfather, he'll be able to choose what his check returns, and if that's the case, his star pupil over there, Nemesis, isn't confirmed either. | ||
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On November 10 2010 14:25 Nemesis wrote: Walking scumtell? Tell me who just recently changed their argument to "making a bunch of one liner and lightly accusing people" to "calling out for being inactive." Uh, making one liners is a sign of feigned activity. They're called chaff posts and typically indicate nothing unless they form the vast majority of a player's statements, in which case he's inactive and trying to appear otherwise. How is this new? As for lunar: they are, actually. When you have Divinek, RoL and Coag in game actions all pointing at Pandain's guilt, its pretty huge. Add that to Nemesis admitting he wanted to sit back and watch the game during a period in which 2 blues were the lynch targets, and then the panoply of other gaffes he's made and you have fantastic lynches for today. Anyways, I suppose the town can decide the merits. I'm still not going to claim until Node shows up, because quite frankly I don't want to lose what's probably our only shot at winning. And when I say town, I mean town. Not third party. If the mafia win tonight, so does the third party. Which is kinda terrible, because it means this is a 6 to 5 vote and not a single townie can screw up or we lose. | ||
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No, Coag gave up and started calling pandain mafia and spammed the thread until he died. Kenpachi put forth his argument, saw that no one wanted to even bother considering that Pandain was lying and stopped bothering. If you want 'proof' that someone's mafia, you aren't going to get it outside of someone being a DT, checking someone, then dying. Either that, or having a role and using it. Outside of that, there's really very little 'proof' someone can muster. Want a demonstration? 1) Pandain claims he checks alignments, he can't prove it. 2) Pandain claims Nemesis is blue, he can't prove it. 3) Pandain claims Kenpachi is red, he can't prove it. So what standard of information do you want to use here? Town can decide. Not you. You win the game if mafia Ace this lynch. Sorry for doubting you, but I typically don't trust players who have a win right in front of them who say they won't take it. On the plus side, Node finally arrived and told us who's dying, so I can go ahead and reveal that I'm the Junkie. I've got 2 night lives and once per game I get to pm the mods and tell them I have murrayitis. If i'm wrong, I die. If i'm right, they give me drugs to cure the disease. Being a terrible drug addict, they don't actually work on me, but they give me a night hit. I've breadcrumbed this pretty much once per day, by throwing up huge mrus posts while no one else was talking about it. Now that Ace's role flipped as mrus spreader and given that he hates my face, I'm pretty sure I have mrus. So tonight I'll either die, or I'll get to hit someone. I fully expect both third party members to push me today because Lunar'll probably be afraid of my hit. Nemesis/Pandain is probably a given as well. To everyone else, specially you if you're not lying, Kenpachi, please read carefully. | ||
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On November 10 2010 15:33 LunarDestiny wrote: Triple post... You accused me that I can also win with the mafia. I think we (everyone except L) are very certain that Pandain is telling the truth and that Kenpachi is mafia. After today's lynch, the mafia will have at most 2 members left. How can Glasse and I win with mafia when their victory condition is to have majority in town??? 2 mafia members+Glasse+me=4 Given the remaining 2 mafia members survive, mafia needs at most 3 players left. 4>3... Therefore glasse and I can't win with the mafia, and that is the absolute reason why Glasse and I have NO incentive to help mafia whatsoever. Uh, 3 mafia members + secret mafia vote + 2 third party votes = 6 town votes. Even if we lynch 1 mafia and 1 town, we'll have 2 mafia 5 town and 2 third party. If a mafia member without the secret vote is hit, that gives you, again, 2+2+1 = 5 which means you win automatically. Town needs to hit TWO mafia today or we lose, and you seem to be skirting around the issue. I could have sat back and said "lol Nemesis is grinding an Axe" and let it slide, avoiding the issue entirely, but its just not going to cut it because avoiding lynches doesn't benefit me if they hit other townies. You claim I should die because I'm fantastic at this game. Seriously? Hey, guess what, here's me trying to lead the town out of an instant loss scenario. Why haven't I been hit? Because we've had DTs claim in public repeatedly and mafia has focused their hits there. I could have fakeclaimed DT to get mafia to waste a hit on me, but after the entire Aeres situation which was exactly the same thing, I figured I might as well not. I''m going to get some sleep, but your bullshit about you having no incentive to help mafia is lucridious. You literally have a win in your hands if the town listens to you, because you'll be lynching one, but most probably two, blues today enroute to a mathematical mafia victory tomorrow with you winning along side them. And what choice do you have? You're a serial killer, you have a kp. If you don't go along with the mafia plan, mafia's going to kill you tonight because leaving your kp up in the air when they have so few players is unacceptable. So not only are you lying about having no incentive; you have literally no other path to victory. | ||
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On November 11 2010 00:36 Nemesis wrote: So everyone's helping mafia now except you L, right? I think that third party roles have already demonstrated that they are not on the mafia side right now by killing Ace. You are barking up the wrong tree. Trying to threaten them to work for you is not gonna work out. And since you keep trying to somehow paint me and Pandain red, I will actually give proof that I am blue just to make you feel even more helpless. Which also confirms Pandain's role for the second time if people are actually too stupid to believe his argument. NODE, confirm that I have visited you NIGHT 3, and since you already know my role, and that my role is blue Everyone's helping mafia? No. Mafia's helpin' mafia. I don't think they've demonstrated anything. The third party is actually in a better position than I noted above because they also have a kp. Even if we lynch 1 mafia/1 blue, they/mafia win tonight. The only way to assuredly stop us from losing is to either believe that they won't try to win, or we kill them tonight. I'm not threatening them either. They revealed their win condition earlier, and now mafia knows they have a veto over the third party winning. Them hitting Ace and Decuondo was fantastic for us and brought us back into the game, but why would they bother claiming here unless they just didn't want to get lynched/hit today or tonight? As for you, I'll wait until node gives details regarding what your visit did, because if this is another "my sticky confirms me" claim, its not going to be worth much. If you actually are blue, the only course of action we can take today is to hit 2 reds or to get rid of the 3rd party. Any other action loses us the game. | ||
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Right now we're at 6 town, 2 3rd party, 3 mafia. If we lynch 1t/1m we end up with: 5 town, 2 third party, 2 mafia going into the night. Mafia have 1+1 hits and lunar has 1, which makes this: 2 town 2 third party, 2 mafia going into the next day. Town loses. By a lot. Including the secret vote, its 5 votes vs 2 town votes. Third party can't lynch mafia here either because the last remaining mafia player will hit them and make them lose. I might die or get a kp if I claim tonight, so we're +1/-1. Our only hope if we split 1/1 on the lynch is that I shoot a mafia during the day so that third party doesn't need to worry about being killed. But mafia's decided to toss me under a wagon because I'm the only person bothering to not lose the game and they can't kill me during the night. So yeah. Those are our only options if we want to win. | ||
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How does your role give you more information about murrayitis than other roles? In fact, how do you even know more than plague doctors. CubedIn who was the only doctor who roleclaimed, he never even once mentioned that mafia had a targeted spreader, which means the only one that knew that is mafia. It doesn't, but given that my role hinges upon knowing I have and baiting mrus infection, I've been thinking about it for pretty much the entire game, far moreso than anyone else. Search the thread for mrus and look at the large analysis posts about it. They're all from me. From the opening lines of the game, mrus is stated to spread by the mafia. Additionally, from the rate of mrus spread, we know that it wasn't a simple set amount of infections per day, accounting for most of the mrus infections but rather that it probably spread from infected people to others that they visited. So no, if you bothered thinking about how the mrus and immunity numbers were the way they were, you'd find it to be a pretty reasonable assumption that mafia can spread the disease. And you know, they said so here: Mayor Artanis of Insania was quickly overwhelmed by the effects of Murrayitis. It quickly became clear that the Mafia had somehow harnessed the power of Murrayitis and planned to use it against the town. I get the impression that you're being deliberately dense here. Why? What is to stop mafia from killing thid party anyways? And what do you mean third party can't lynch mafia. Unless mafia tells them who they are, then they can't avoid lynching mafia anyways. And if mafia tells them who they are, what's to stop them from lynching them? Mafia have a limited number of hits, and if they're going to win, they'd rather ally with the third party and win immediately than hit the third party during the night. Even if the third party takes a shot at the mafia tonight, mafia can still retaliate tomorrow. As for the third party knowing who's mafia or not; you might be right that they don't know yet, but its a fairly simple matter to have a mafia member claim tonight to give the third party a specific target to hit, then enjoy the sweet lucre of victory afterwards. So no, your hypothetical scenario of third party helping mafia is far off. | ||
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On November 11 2010 01:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Happy page 200 ppl. L who do you suggest we lynch if you don't wanna lynch kenpachi? Well, the only safe option that we have unless we luck out and hit 2 mafia is to lynch glasse/lunar. There's no other option that doesn't end in an immediate town loss, unless we luck out and hit 2 reds, which we probably won't. mafia + 3rd party control like 45% of the votes, and with the secret vote, they can pile 6 votes on a single target between themselves. 3rd party doesn't even need to know who mafia are, they just need to follow the secret vote and they'll win. | ||
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