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On November 01 2010 04:07 youngminii wrote: Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced. In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now. Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed. This pretty much says it all. Should start looking at players like Pandain who fished for a claim so hard. | ||
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Misder and Pandain both tried to ask youngminii for information, pretty much trying to force a role claim. AT NIGHT!. we can't vote right now so why force a roleclain out of youngminii? Both of them need to be looked at heavily from now on. If you're a Detective please investigate one of these guys and if they flip Scum do some damage. | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:01 Lexpar wrote: If I die tonight Doc H is almost definitely scum. Correct. You've been so valuable your death will implicate others. @Pandain: Call it what you want but I know role fishing when I see it. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: L is a character from the anime/manga Death Note in which he is the worlds best detective tracking down a serial killer of sorts with a magic notebook that kills anyone whose name is written in it. Ironically enough in these games L is the best town killer. Whether he's Scum or Town aligned lots of innocents die. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:54 Misder wrote: @Node Why were you informed that BB would die so late last cycle, but now you are informed that DXC is going to die so early in this cycle? I thought of that too, but I think Node said way back that he knew of someone that was going to die. So he probably gets the information at the start of the Day, and didn't want to share it yesterday. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:31 Misder wrote: Any reason for this? DH, do you know the role of Lexpar? I think Lexpar might have something that can detect if the Mayor is scum? | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:41 Misder wrote: I don't think thats right, since how can he detect it if he is dead? And whats preventing mafia from killing Lexpar Night 2 which would trigger the catalyst of detection? Lexpar said if he dies Dr.H is scum. So I'm guessing he has something that lets him know if he survives the Mayor is legit. I'm not worried about what the Mafia might do because honestly all this WIFOM bullshit is stalling the scumhunt. Let's just keep everything simple shall we? Early Day 1 bumatlarge and Pandain are the main two Mayor candidates. Later on Fishball throws his hat in the ring and gets some votes. Dr.H who first supported Fishball, eventually also runs for Mayor garnering enough votes to win While all of this was going on Fishball, bumatlarge and Dr.H revealed information about their roles. We don't know what the Mafia knows about the game, but from my POV Dr.H saying he could confirm himself is probably a hindrance to the Scum more than Fishball's circle, especially since Fishball hasn't claimed an investigative ability. Night 1 - Dr. H attempts an action and he isn't sure if it worked or not. Now before this action happens ask yourself how strongly you believed in Dr.H being pro-town. If you believed so then there's a damn good chance he indeed was roleblocked. No need to keep wondering about what if's or who's playing a trick on you. A confirmed townie is dangerous and if Dr.H is telling the truth then Scum would indeed want to roleblock him. | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:28 youngminii wrote: Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance. Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard. So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim. 3 people claimed bodyguard. However DC says he never claimed at all. Regardless that prompted a roleclaim from Aeres to reveal his ability. Night 1 the actual bodyguard dies. If we take DC at his word in that he never claimed then Aeres lied. Conveniently DC comes back to point this out after Night is over. But - I still don't think Aeres can sail away on a magical boat and be a bodyguard. If he leaves town then how would the Mayor be protected? So I'm voting for Aeres because I don't think his story adds up. No way he can be a bodyguard when the only 1 also just died. Likewise, even if DC did fake claim Aeres should have pushed harder for his lynch KNOWING that DC lied. If he didn't believe DC's fake claim was an actual claim then he would have had no reason to out himself if he was an actual bodyguard. From 3 angles he stinks. His story and his actions are bullshit. | ||
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PEOPLE LOOK AT THE AERES AND DC SITUATION! | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because Aeres thought that DC's claim was truthful and that the claim that there was only one bodyguard was a lie. This is a definite possibility, there could even be a role like an insane bodyguard that believes themselves to be the bodyguard but is not actually the bodyguard. But this conclusion is based on speculation and distrust of the mod. What aeres did is pretty suspicious and he needs to defend himself soon. Although I believe he earlier said he was going to be inactive so we may have to wait a while for his defense. nevertheless, my vote is on him for now. Right. And so far the mods haven't done anything that shows they are lying to the players. So when they stated there is only 1 bodyguard and the person died, then there is only 1 bodyguard. No sanity is in play here. Just a straight up lie. | ||
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You do not know what Scum knows! The mods say we have 1 bodyguard. Aeres claims bodyguard. Annul dies at night, flips bodyguard. Seriously, why are we even discussing this? He got caught in a lie. There is no what if he's town stuff here. Even worse the scenario between him and DC was THE one concrete thing we had going for us to figure out scum. But you guys are sitting here arguing about Dr.H when right now we've got a more clear cut case to solve. The goal of the game is to lynch Mafia and we do it as easily as possible. Stop the WIFOM bullshit. you're only inviting trouble. | ||
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On November 01 2010 14:17 infinitestory wrote: You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty. I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town." 1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied. If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he. | ||
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On November 01 2010 23:42 CubEdIn wrote: Did you understand what I mean though? If we can prove that he is able to poke people, AND not infect them, then it's quite positive that he's blue. Why? Because Mafia would not need a player who can "test" if people are infected, since they control the infection and already KNOW who is infected and who is not. It's really simple. Like I said ages ago and just like Fishball illustrated - his role is not tied to his alignment. @Amber: It doesn't matter if it's a newbie mistake. Lying is SCUMMMY. I don't know why we always go with these "oh he was just trying to be a hero townie so he lied" moments. How many games do we need to play where Scum lie, town believes it was just a mistake and there's a red GG Scum Wins message on page 100? Lynch All Liars. Period. Once you start letting the first person go with lies then it's extremely hard to lynch the next set of liars since they have the same safe alibi. As an example, remember the greatest lie ever told in a Mafia game on TL.net is Caller's bullshit Insane Busdriver claim, 2 days after he led the town to believe he was another role. The town bought it hook, line and sinker because "oh Caller was just trying to help" and walla - 2 dead townes, Caller escapes THREE lynches and the town loses. Stop letting people lie. You can't even defend this anymore (and this goes for all of you trying to justify Aeres's play). @Jcarl: Who cares if he's the Village Idiot. If he is, ignore him. Scum hunt. Village Idiots usually don't end the game as it's just a "yay you managed to get lynched" role aka completely useless. That said I doubt he's a VI. Probably just playing "dumb" in order to save himself from being nightkilled. @Aeres: Your best bet is to hope for a DT or some kind of hidden Pardoner role to save you. Somehow I doubt that's going to happen though. @L: You can't prove Dr.H lied. Dr.H said he'd try to use his ability on Night 1, and it's inconclusive on if he was roleblocked, if Jcarl is telling the truth or if Dr.H is lying. With Aeres we know he's lying. Big difference. LAL doesn't apply to Dr.H because he wasn't caught lying. Also if Aeres is some kind of mad hatter role that just shows he was lying about being a Cruise Captain - which would mean he lied TWICE. Now we are encouraging townies to lie about everything just to draw a hit to save a Mayor who's alignment he doesn't know? Shit just sign me up for the next religious cult asap. Once again L is asking for the death of one player to "confirm" another. Remember what I said about him trying to get people killed for information? Right. Dr.H's death doesn't give you any bearing onto Aeres's alignment. Period. @deconduo: If townies have to lie sometimes with good reason give some examples because this time was definitely not good. Guys, we aren't going after Kenpachi or any non-active players today. We've got 2 big situations to solve right now. Let's actually scum hunt. @Dr.H - youngminii seems to be getting bandwagoned "because he should have died during the lynch". deconduo is saying youngminii, who hasn't been shown to lie at all or do anything scummy should be lynched over a guy who has lied, possibly twice AFTER 2 players pushed him onto the spotlight. | ||
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