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On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy
If you want to know why I voted pandain, it's because I think he is the best candidate out of everyone running right now. His analysis is decent and I think that he is not that hard to read. So if he is mafia, I think he will easily slip.
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On October 30 2010 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
Wait, what? If nobody claims, then we kill Fishball, and then rolecheck the people who claimed (0 people)? That's...what? Show nested quote +
also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
Well that's kinda fishy. That makes me think that you know of someone who has a suicide bomber role or something of that sort.
if nobody claims we kill fishball
if people start claiming, we rolecheck them
this has 3 possible outcomes:
1. lynch fishball the mafia
2. uncover a bad mafia play and lynch several mafia
3. confirm the existence of a circle consisting of players of random alignments
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On October 30 2010 04:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy These two statements don't really match up...
sure they do
in both i said i have a weird gut feeling he is scum, but i have no real logical reason to suspect him. he's a transparent player and if he is elected a scum mayor he will get himself and probably several of his scumbuddies killed in the process.
i'd just like to see more enthusiasm/reasoning from his bandwagon
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On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though.
i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town.
if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily
do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
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On October 30 2010 04:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy These two statements don't really match up... sure they do in both i said i have a weird gut feeling he is scum, but i have no real logical reason to suspect him. he's a transparent player and if he is elected a scum mayor he will get himself and probably several of his scumbuddies killed in the process. i'd just like to see more enthusiasm/reasoning from his bandwagon
Well they don't quite match up because in the first you're saying you will vote for him even though you find him supicious. In the second you say you find it weird that he has so many votes when most of the discussion has been on Fishball, and you criticize the bandwagon...but you're joining the bandwagon? I don't get your logic.
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On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
The act of all six claiming even gives us a chance to improve the circle, as we can identify and remove the scum after role checks.
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Yes, if people in this so called circle claim up, I might change my vote to fishball.
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On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
ahhh okay I see where you're going with this.
Thanks for clarifying.
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On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
if it is a big mafia trick:
we win the game, easy as that.
if the mafia ditch fishball:
first day mafia kill, woo!
the only troubling scenario is where only the few mafia in the group come forward or say, the mafia in the group get rolechecked first, then we start killing the townies in the circle.
I think maybe electing Fishball might be a bad idea since he is then unable to be rolechecked. Mafia doesn't want to kill people in the circle, since if they are in it, they want to manipulate the information as much as possible.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
This is basically my reasoning for not currently considering a vote for Fishball, while heavily considering Pandain. Unlike the Doc here, I don't believe Pandain is scum, but it's apparent nonetheless that he's a fairly... conspicuous guy. I've reread the Haunted Mafia posts that he made, and in retrospect, Pandain does seem to be transparent (whether it's intentional, or he's simply a bad liar, is up for debate), which is what I think we need in a Mayor. Nothing good can come of a Mayor with a hidden agenda, and of all the candidates, Pandain appears to be acting on the accord of the town rather than any ulterior group / himself (see Annul and Fishball).
Again, I'm not completely decided yet on this, but odds are my vote will go to Pandain, unless either Fishball or Annul throw something completely out of left field. Based on their reticence to reveal anything concrete, that possibility isn't likely, but I'll reserve judgment nonetheless.
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On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
Dr.H, I don't understand you.
You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why?
Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward.
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On October 30 2010 04:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy These two statements don't really match up... sure they do in both i said i have a weird gut feeling he is scum, but i have no real logical reason to suspect him. he's a transparent player and if he is elected a scum mayor he will get himself and probably several of his scumbuddies killed in the process. i'd just like to see more enthusiasm/reasoning from his bandwagon Well they don't quite match up because in the first you're saying you will vote for him even though you find him supicious. In the second you say you find it weird that he has so many votes when most of the discussion has been on Fishball, and you criticize the bandwagon...but you're joining the bandwagon? I don't get your logic.
basically i'm prioritizing
i think it's more important we get this circle thing sorted out and knowing fishballs role is important
there is a way i may be able to confirm whether or not he is mafia if he is elected mayor. electing him may not be a bad idea. i'm switching to pandain for now while i think about it.
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Current Votes:
Pandain(7): Pandain, Nemesis, deconduo, DoctorHelvetica, Meapak_Ziphh, Amber[LighT], Coagulation,
Fishball(4): Fishball, infinitestory, youngminii, orgolove
NB: NB
LunarDestiny: LunarDestiny
kingjames01: kingjames01
annul: annul
Veldril: Veldril
bumatlarge: bumatlarge
BrownBear: BrownBear
DCLXVI: DCLXVI
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On October 30 2010 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens. Dr.H, I don't understand you. You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why? Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward.
because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball
but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon
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On October 30 2010 04:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens. Dr.H, I don't understand you. You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why? Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward. because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon
Ok, I somewhat understand now, although I don't understand why you felt compelled to switch to the Pandain Train, there is still soooooo much time for vote switching, but whatever.
It's insane mafia, I'm pretty sure everyone's roles are complex 
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And yes, I feel that having a Mayor that can't be role/alignment checked or what have you is very scary.
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i remembered incorrectly about youngminii
he bandwagoned fishball NOT bumatlarge
this makes more sense, why would a scumbuddy come to the fake rescue of someone who isn't scum. that gives me more to think about. I'd really really really like a DT to rolecheck fishball. I can only kinda determine whether they may or may not be town and even then it ends up in a bit of a WIFOM situation.
the reason i feel weird about pandain is because his election reminds me a lot of the time when i was elected as scum mayor in my first mafia game and the way its going is very similar to that.
i wish there were more than 2 legitimate candidates that both come off as suspicious to me.
now that youngminii was voting for fishball, I'm less sure. I know youngminii in haunted mafia when he was vampire, he was a smart guy and always explained what he said in vampire chat. he's not the kind who would just say meaningless bullshit if he was town imo
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i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.)
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On October 30 2010 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Secondly, I would like to hear how the Mayor plans to use their first day lynch. Will it be based on the majority opinion of the town, a suspicious set of posts during the first 48 hours, or a power player you are intimidated by? Do you already have an idea of who you want to use it on? In order for a candidate to receive my vote, I require they address this issue.
I think this bears repeating. Pandain, Fishball, and Annul, assuming you were Mayor, who would each of you determine to be lynched, and how would you justify your choice?
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also i will lynch youngminii if i am elected just to clarify
unless a better target comes up.
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Wow, I can't believe Pandain is getting this much support. Even bumatlarge is preferable to his "Yum Yum" crap - need I remind you that Pandain stoops at nothing, even going as far as faking a rolecheck on a blue into mafia, just so he could "lead a circle"?
On October 17 2010 03:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 03:03 Divinek wrote:
you have a dt who checked jodo and he came back vampire and you think heaven is mafia?
just trying to clear it up so i can pick it apart properly Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind. On October 10 2010 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Don't give power to the animal. -_-
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