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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:06 Fishball wrote: If you are just flat out comparing resumes, my resume should top these two. Don't trust the whole circle thing as I said. I'm voting for bumatlarge for now. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On October 30 2010 02:58 annul wrote: its what, 2 votes? if the vote is close enough (like, 16-14) where my one vote will tip the scale, then perhaps it is not "stupid" to have voted it, right? the mayoral role is not really a town leader position. it's an extra set of lives and a very weak voting power that can be overcome easily (and is 100% transparent). i am playing along with the leadership meme because hey it makes sense, but think about what POWER the mayor has. the only power it has is protection and a weak voting boost. any other leadership that the town chooses to assign to the mayor player is entirely on their own volition. why do we want to give death protection to a mason? there is no real reason we want to keep the masons alive above someone else who can actually affect things, right? so he has a circle, cool, what does that do for us and why would his death hurt the town, per se? if i died it would be much worse than a random mason dying, that is all i am saying. are there others out there with roles better suited to protection? probably. but they aren't talking, so i will. Thanks for shattering my bubble of idealism. =( You're right, of course, but I guess I'm stuck in my fantasy world, where leadership is preferred by the masses... Anyway, after putting some more thought into it, I'm starting to lean toward voting Pandain. Nothing definitive yet, but I do agree that the Mayor should be "transparent", as you guys put it. Annul, you're a clever bastard, but you might not be our clever bastard, so I'm not sure voting for you is the right move. No offense, man, but I'm gonna be conservative on this one, y'know? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
To me, being mayor is more than just having protection. Sure, it's useful, and obviously a lot of us running might have valuable roles, but really what Fishball has is an unconfirmed circle, with an unconfirmed Fishball, the real power coming from the ability to pm. An extra vote IS helpful in mafia, and with only ~15 people in the late game is a very valuable asset, in addition he gets to decide the first day lynch. Finally, one possibly very important question: Can the mayor be infected with murrayitis? | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
I think what Fishball can do is reveal whoever is in his circle and have those people confirm that they are in the circle so if something suspicious is happening within the circle, the town can easily see it. But the problem with this is mafia might start picking off people in the circle one by one. Can you replace those who died in the circle with new ones? | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:49 BrownBear wrote: This is true, as far as I know. Fishball, I remain unconvinced. Read my other post above again. And hey, it's your call. I've thrown as much as I can out there, but at the end, it's your vote. If you think other candidates would be a better choice, then that's the way it is. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy. if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:54 deconduo wrote: Don't trust the whole circle thing as I said. I'm voting for bumatlarge for now. If I'm not mistaken, Bum retracted his run. You would have to vote for Pandain or one of the others. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy. if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On October 30 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote: This post makes me curious. Are you roleclaiming as this "Anarchist", or is it just a bit of flavor you're adding to your character? From what I know, refraining from participating in an election brings the same result as not participating in a lynch (modkill), so are you saying your role allows you to avoid the consequences of not voting? And if THAT'S the case, what is that saying about your alignment in this game? For all I know, you could be some sort of third party with a separate win condition. Please note that I'm not necessarily suspecting you of anything just yet; I'm simply curious as to what your post implies. I wanted to play a character, but it looks like i'd be modkilled. I thought about playing it to the death but i guess that's stupid. I'll vote. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:56 Pandain wrote: I would be alright with Fishball for mayor I guess, but again, I just don't know why he has to. His reason is protection, but we have medics, no? This circle can be incrediably useful and a valuable asset to town, and if what he says is true, that "his role is crucial to the circle", then why must he go to the extreme and go mayor? To me, being mayor is more than just having protection. Sure, it's useful, and obviously a lot of us running might have valuable roles, but really what Fishball has is an unconfirmed circle, with an unconfirmed Fishball, the real power coming from the ability to pm. An extra vote IS helpful in mafia, and with only ~15 people in the late game is a very valuable asset, in addition he gets to decide the first day lynch. Finally, one possibly very important question: Can the mayor be infected with murrayitis? On October 29 2010 11:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1 post: The Mayor can be infected by Murrayitis. Yes. Possible bodyguards are unfortunately piss poor medics. No information regarding possible poisonings is available, but the known effects of Murrayitis do not include death by poisoning on the second night. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:56 Pandain wrote: I would be alright with Fishball for mayor I guess, but again, I just don't know why he has to. His reason is protection, but we have medics, no? This circle can be incrediably useful and a valuable asset to town, and if what he says is true, that "his role is crucial to the circle", then why must he go to the extreme and go mayor? To me, being mayor is more than just having protection. Sure, it's useful, and obviously a lot of us running might have valuable roles, but really what Fishball has is an unconfirmed circle, with an unconfirmed Fishball, the real power coming from the ability to pm. An extra vote IS helpful in mafia, and with only ~15 people in the late game is a very valuable asset, in addition he gets to decide the first day lynch. Finally, one possibly very important question: Can the mayor be infected with murrayitis? Yes he can. I've asked Artnais already. I also asked "How long does it take for Murrayitis to kill a player?" His answer: "It kills them on the night after infection." | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy. if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. That is assuming there is even such a circle. He doesn't need to tell us who the members of the circles are. If he is mafia, he could just pretend there really is a circle when there really isn't. He could just misfeed us information such as "blue role told me this last night" and we have no proof whether he's lying or not as everything is done in secret. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:56 Nemesis wrote: Hmm I am a bit tempted to switch my votes. I think what Fishball can do is reveal whoever is in his circle and have those people confirm that they are in the circle so if something suspicious is happening within the circle, the town can easily see it. But the problem with this is mafia might start picking off people in the circle one by one. Can you replace those who died in the circle with new ones? I didn't ask, but I'm like 99.9999999999% sure you can't do that. That's just OP. And like I said, I'm NOT the leader of this circle, so it wouldn't be up to me if there was a leader anyways. Anyways, breaks over so I'm back to work. Keep discussing, and I'll address any questions/concerns later. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:58 Fishball wrote: Yes he can. I've asked Artnais already. I also asked "How long does it take for Murrayitis to kill a player?" His answer: "It kills them on the night after infection." Actually he changed his answer into, players infected with Murrayitis all die when at least half the players have it. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:58 Fishball wrote: Yes he can. I've asked Artnais already. I also asked "How long does it take for Murrayitis to kill a player?" His answer: "It kills them on the night after infection." No, no, no. Artanis said it does NOT kill them in that manner. What happens is if half the players are infected at any point in the game, all infected players will die. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.) As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial". thoughts? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:02 Nemesis wrote: Actually he changed his answer into, players infected with Murrayitis all die when at least half the players have it. *sigh | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players neutral circle 6 town aligned players neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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