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On October 30 2010 00:28 Infundibulum wrote:
Well Fishball far and away has the best platform, but that doesn't mean it's good.
As the town Anarchist i will not be voting for anybody. No gods! No masters!
This post makes me curious. Are you roleclaiming as this "Anarchist", or is it just a bit of flavor you're adding to your character? From what I know, refraining from participating in an election brings the same result as not participating in a lynch (modkill), so are you saying your role allows you to avoid the consequences of not voting? And if THAT'S the case, what is that saying about your alignment in this game? For all I know, you could be some sort of third party with a separate win condition.
Please note that I'm not necessarily suspecting you of anything just yet; I'm simply curious as to what your post implies.
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EBWOP: Artanis cleared up my above question while I was typing it out, so I guess you can disregard what I said. Seems it was flavor after all.
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On October 30 2010 00:32 annul wrote:
all i knew at the start of haunted was my team (and i knew which kills were vampire and which were mafia). everything else that i learned, i learned on my own from my own strategizing
I think you are underestimating how much information that is. You know which clues apply to which side, and you know who your allies are which is quite a lot. I still think you need more experience as town first. If you are indeed town this game, then let's just see how well you play.
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While I do hesitate to want a master manipulator as mayor, annul interests me. Annul, what can you bring to the table? Fishball has presented a very good platform, and, whether it is sneaky or not, it gives us something to consider.
Also, Coagulation brings up a good point. Pandain does have very good analyses, and even though some of them were wrong (no one will be right 100% of the time), they were very thorough. His posts aren't the sneakiest, and his whole "yum yum" thing is damn annoying, but the more I think about it, the more I am considering him as a decent mayor.
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The way I see it, I don't know why Fishball has to be mayor in order to do this plan. As far as I understand it, people can contact you and form a mini circle of select roles. I think this is a VERY good plan, and we should do it, but if this is a scam, I'd much rather he be a regular role insead of mayor as well. But just a quick question, Fishball.
1.What exactly does your role say or w/e. Unless you don't want to tell me yet. I'm trying to find out more about exactly how this role works.
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for what its worth
with all the masturbation that goes on in TL mafia about smurfs and hiding who you are, etc, you place a very high amount of stock on me "not having enough experience"
i wonder, judge me on how i played in haunted: do you really think i lack experience in mafia?
yes, i am new to TL mafia. no, i am not new to mafia, nor to playing town.
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wait whos jerkin off smurfs?
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On October 30 2010 01:34 annul wrote:
for what its worth
with all the masturbation that goes on in TL mafia about smurfs and hiding who you are, etc, you place a very high amount of stock on me "not having enough experience"
i wonder, judge me on how i played in haunted: do you really think i lack experience in mafia?
yes, i am new to TL mafia. no, i am not new to mafia, nor to playing town.
Actually playing mafia would be much more easy than playing town. For example, you had already created a blue circle(which they shouldn't have done anyway since they trusted you so blindly), so really picking off people wasn't that hard. Keep in mind you often shot people who got saved and not always blues. Obviously you played EXTREMELY well and probably turned around a losing situation into a win, but it doesn't mean your'e god. Even if your town, I'm somewhat unsure as to how you will be at scum hunting, which is harder because you have less information.
I'm not saying your not good, you are, but keep in mind your not exactly ver/flamewheel. Neither am I of course, but humility is something we should all keep in mind. (especially me :p)
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On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.
why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.
I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know.
I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6?
Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same.
Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input.
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On October 30 2010 01:38 Pandain wrote:
but keep in mind your not exactly ver/flamewheel.
flamewheel doesn't exactly play...
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On October 30 2010 00:22 Nemesis wrote:
To Fishball: It is so easy to make up a role that would make it seem worth it for you to be mayor. Besides, I am more interested in having a mayor with good analytical thinking rather than because of their role. For example, a dt for mayor would be bad if the dt doesn't know what he's doing and just randomly checks people and actually doesn't catch any red.
To annul: You might have played great in the Haunted Mafia, but you have not shown as your skills playing as a townie. Playing while knowing a lot of information from the start is different from starting out with no information and I have yet to see that you are good at that.
Regarding the "analytical thinking" part, you can check my previous games and judge for yourself.
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On October 30 2010 01:34 annul wrote:
for what its worth
with all the masturbation that goes on in TL mafia about smurfs and hiding who you are, etc, you place a very high amount of stock on me "not having enough experience"
i wonder, judge me on how i played in haunted: do you really think i lack experience in mafia?
yes, i am new to TL mafia. no, i am not new to mafia, nor to playing town.
I can only judge what I can see.
To Fishball: Hmm I think I might later when I have time as I have a midterm coming up in 5 hours
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On October 30 2010 01:44 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.
why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.
I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know. I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6? Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same. Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input.
im not saying there are 6 mafia in your circle as opposed to any other number im just saying there are 6 ''chances'' that mafia are in your circle as opposed to there only being 1 chance of a mafia getting voted in as mayor if we elect someone outside your circle.
there are alot of scenarios obviously that can play out but i just want everyone to understand that there is an added risk to you being mayor. as for whether your ability as mayor + your plan with your circle outweigh those risk's is up for debate.
my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.
I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
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On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 01:44 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.
why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.
I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know. I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6? Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same. Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input. I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
That is a really good point. Keeping close watch on the mayor is vital.
@annul: I don't doubt that you are experienced at all. You more than proved your worth in Haunted Mafia. But what can you bring to the town? What is your pitch? Fishball is offering this premade circle, where is your present?
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i have something to offer that may or may not be better than a premade circle. in fact, almost certainly is.
that said, there may be people who could use bodyguards much more than i could, so who the hell knows. i just know that subjectively speaking, i'd definitely be happy as mayor solely due to the protection. dont really care about the extra votes or anything.
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On October 30 2010 02:30 annul wrote:
i have something to offer that may or may not be better than a premade circle. in fact, almost certainly is.
that said, there may be people who could use bodyguards much more than i could, so who the hell knows. i just know that subjectively speaking, i'd definitely be happy as mayor solely due to the protection. dont really care about the extra votes or anything.
It's interesting how you value self-preservation over leadership in a role designed to act as a beacon for the town. Seems to me like your current role holds some notable power/importance, so wouldn't it have been wiser to keep quiet about your apparent value? The heat is on you now as a candidate, so there's a chance you've jeopardized your safety if you lose.
There's also the possibility that your role isn't too special, and that you're just trying to one-up Fishball's promise of a Mason circle to clinch the election. That's not damning in and of itself, just putting it out there (this is just me thinking aloud anyway, take it as you will).
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may, may not, in fact, almost certainly
well you got the politician thing down perfectly.
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Well, Aeres, I'm also of the opinion that the Mayoral position is most important for its protection. Yeah, the extra votes are nice, but the fact that you can't die til your bodyguards die is most desirable.
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On October 30 2010 02:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Well, Aeres, I'm also of the opinion that the Mayoral position is most important for its protection. Yeah, the extra votes are nice, but the fact that you can't die til your bodyguards die is most desirable.
Actually no, the extra votes are crucial, if we have someone stupid or a mafia for mayor, that is 1 additional kill on townies.
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I think I agree with coag; our mayer being able to communicate privately with a select group is a doubled edged sword, regardless of their alignment. Personally I feel its too risky to elect fishball.
What we want in a mayor is activity (but not spamming), good thinking and experience. As was said before, I think bumatlarge is the best candidate. Pandain might be a good choice too, but the yum yum stuff does get on my nerves so I'm biased against him 
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