EPTHe's still told us more about his place in the game than any other candidate. We know more about fishball than Pandain and Annul. Because FB has made claims, we can hold him accountable to those claims if it falls through after he is elected. Right now we have nothing to hold the other candidates to for being accountable, other than just playing pro-town.
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
He's still told us more about his place in the game than any other candidate. We know more about fishball than Pandain and Annul. Because FB has made claims, we can hold him accountable to those claims if it falls through after he is elected. Right now we have nothing to hold the other candidates to for being accountable, other than just playing pro-town. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote: If Fishball becomes mayor, then I would think mafia would try to infect him with murrayitis and kill him. The only way we could keep him alive if they do that is have doctors constantly heal him. I don't know how long we need him alive, but here's my thought right now: Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.) As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial". thoughts? Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying. On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition. Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis. So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:09 Infundibulum wrote: A key thing to consider for all those saying that FB could be lying about his circle: He's still told us more about his place in the game than any other candidate. We know more about fishball than Pandain and Annul. Because FB has made claims, we can hold him accountable to those claims if it falls through after he is elected. Right now we have nothing to hold the other candidates to for being accountable, other than just playing pro-town. If I win I'll roleclaim. As of now I personally see no reason to roleclaim on the arbitrary measure of "being open." If I lose, and am open, then mafia(if in the chance i have a good role) will snipe me off. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On October 30 2010 03:57 Fishball wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Bum retracted his run. You would have to vote for Pandain or one of the others. Oh true, I missed that. Gonna change to Pandain then. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I haven't decided who to vote for as Mayor yet, but I do have two requests. First off, I would like to see an additional person claim from this "secret 6 person circle". If it exists, odds are incredibly likely that a mafia member is one of the members. If that's the case, then the mafia already knows the identities of all six members. So what harm is there to come forth to the town identifying yourself? Secondly, I would like to hear how the Mayor plans to use their first day lynch. Will it be based on the majority opinion of the town, a suspicious set of posts during the first 48 hours, or a power player you are intimidated by? Do you already have an idea of who you want to use it on? In order for a candidate to receive my vote, I require they address this issue. Good luck all ^_^ | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
fishball you should lynch youngminii he comes in to support bum with no reasoning. why even post in that case? if i didn't care enough to make an argument i'd just vote without posting in the thread. looking at haunted mafia I noticed a funny scum tendency which was that they would always try to justify their votes in the thread (mafia/vampires feel inherently guilty because they know their own role) and they would just post something like quickstriker would come in and say "yeah im not buying x's argument and im currently going to vote for y because of what i have read in this thread" why do we care? why did you even share that with us youngminii? i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players neutral circle 6 town aligned players neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. I agree with you that we need to confirm the existence of the circle before we elect Fishball as Mayor. Having people reveal like that I feel would be very good for us. The only thing that scares me is having a Mayor that can communicate secretly while the rest of us cant (which I have stressed a few times already). However, the benefits could very well outweigh the risks. Fishball has given us the most information so far, and he is definitely a very viable candidate. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying. It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis. So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night. If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:14 kitaman27 wrote: Hey all, sorry I'm late. Just got off my flight from Liquidvania. You wouldn't believe the lines. People must be dying to get out of there (sorry I couldn't resist.) I haven't decided who to vote for as Mayor yet, but I do have two requests. First off, I would like to see an additional person claim from this "secret 6 person circle". If it exists, odds are incredibly likely that a mafia member is one of the members. If that's the case, then the mafia already knows the identities of all six members. So what harm is there to come forth to the town identifying yourself? Secondly, I would like to hear how the Mayor plans to use their first day lynch. Will it be based on the majority opinion of the town, a suspicious set of posts during the first 48 hours, or a power player you are intimidated by? Do you already have an idea of who you want to use it on? In order for a candidate to receive my vote, I require they address this issue. Good luck all ^_^ not just an additional person, everyone in the circle should claim. mafia doesn't have incentive to kill them for it so it's all good. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
I like Pandain because I believe that he is a transparent and honest townie, at least judging by last game. If he's red, it will become very obvious very quickly. I don't like the thought of a mayor being able to hide information from the town, and my gut tells me Pandain would have let slip if he has this capability. The mayor's actually pretty damn powerful in this game. Being able to outright determine the first lynch is big, as well as getting two votes. I want the motives and reasonings of that person to be as open and obvious as possible. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:15 Nemesis wrote: If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too. Oooooh shit, ok. Plague Doctors are BAMFs then. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick. if it is a big mafia trick: we win the game, easy as that. if the mafia ditch fishball: first day mafia kill, woo! the only troubling scenario is where only the few mafia in the group come forward or say, the mafia in the group get rolechecked first, then we start killing the townies in the circle. I think maybe electing Fishball might be a bad idea since he is then unable to be rolechecked. Mafia doesn't want to kill people in the circle, since if they are in it, they want to manipulate the information as much as possible. also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you. I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:15 Nemesis wrote: If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too. By that definition, it seems they can only transfer immunity to someone who has Murrayitis at the time. Maybe I'm wrong here though. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players neutral circle 6 town aligned players neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick. Wait, what? If nobody claims, then we kill Fishball, and then rolecheck the people who claimed (0 people)? That's...what? also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you. I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player Well that's kinda fishy. That makes me think that you know of someone who has a suicide bomber role or something of that sort. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick. I second this idea. If the circle exists, there is no reason not to make it public. I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player I've lost count of the number of people that have said that about Pandain. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate a player, especially a top candidate for Mayor. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy These two statements don't really match up... | ||
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