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aztrorisk
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=youngminii you're welcome. srry, I couldn't access that page for a second back there | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ShmotZ "Hello? Who's there!?" he cried out, only to be greeted by the echo of his own tired voice. He walked nervously over to shut the door when he a large figure lunged through the doorway at him. DoctorHelvetica reached for his gun and shot the figure where his head should be but his bullet didn't seem to do anything to the shadowy figure. The large man grabbed the jailkeeper by his throat and strangled the life from him mercilessly. Look at his profile picture first of all, he has a shadowy figure that looks like it could be immune to bullets. In addition, he is very buff and he is in chains. It looks like he would be someone to strangle Doctor H mercilessly. I think this is the best lead we got. His profile is the one that fits most with the killer of Doctor H | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ShmotZ I think there is more proof on him then on Coagulation. | ||
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can some please look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ShmotZ | ||
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you have 2 days actually. please don't spam the thread with the link, people are aware of your analysis. srry, but you said it ends on Tuesday at midnight and tomorrow is monday so we have aprox. 23 hours because midnight is technically Tuesday. | ||
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I think ShmotZ is a longer shot than Masq. Sure, it is suggestive, but Masq fits it a bit better. There are also a couple other people who have shadowy figures as their picture. LOL, a pear indicates a pyscho?!?!? I been looking at other people profile and his is the only one that has a shadowy figure (without a sword and looks immune to bullets) and his picture looks like it can only strangle. | ||
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..."carved like a Jack O' Lantern" Ok, I'll go with you, but I'm targeting ShmotZ the next lynching | ||
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aztro you realise if shmotz is actually scum you just signed your own death warrant wait but then that would be obvious because if shmotz kills you at night then we would suspect shmotz wait but if scum kills you in order to frame shmotz we'd all think shmotz is scum and we'd end up lynching an innocent but what if shmotz knew that and actually decided to kill you anyway in the hopes that town would think scum is trying to frame shmotz this is confusing I got an answer, whoever is the ghost, decide to haunt me because I am the most likely target. and if I die, Shmotz would die 2 and I"m pretty sure that he is one of the killers. | ||
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The ghost does not kill a visitor, it merely protects the person it haunts. If you are visited during the night when you are being haunted, the hit will fail but the killer will not die or be revealed. I know, I was refering to if the ghost didn't protect me, and I died, people would vote off Shmotz since Youngminnii said that he would be framed. | ||
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Hey! We finally started! Yay! So I just finished skimming thru the whole thread (which took a while) and I gotta say, we seem to be in a good start! We have some possible leads to mafia/vampire which isn't definite but a good start nonetheless. I'm going to wait a little longer and see what others have to say before making my vote and giving my own input upon the matter (partially since I'm about to go to sleep and don't want to think right now) later in time. But go go town! ya, don't forget to vote for masq because he is a pyscho and has a picture of him carving a face on a pear like on a pumkin. | ||
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actually the picture is just of a pear with a carved face. it doesnt show him carving it. for all we know masq is the pear. Obviously a pear can't be a pro at SC2, it has no hands. | ||
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don't forget to vote for aztrorisk because he is a loose cannon and has a picture of someone (presumably him in animated form) sleeping and being watched by a watcher. the watcher obv. suspects him of being scum so he's our best lead. Actually, I'm one of those eyes. AzTroRisK actually means scathing eye, as you can see on the sleeping bag. Yes, I'm just an eye with a brain. I use my telekinesis power to control my computer. | ||
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aztrorisk, why do you suddenly hop from your adamant position toward shockz to masq so quickly? Care to explain your reasoning? Simple, I immediately saw the connection between the jack-o-latern and the pear and I thought "That makes so much sense" and I thought that the connection between the pear and the jack-o-latern was greater than the connection with Shmotz. | ||
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is that just me or 2 pages ago, someone suggested to vote for masq and 2 or 3 people stand out(most noticed is Veldril) and defend him? is that mean they are on the same team? again, in this game if im correct, only town people dont know who the rest are, mafia/vampire know their teamees right? about the crazy pictures: if you guys have noticed, the content of the clue have not changed much since the 1st content which was canceled since there was a mistake... Most people profile have not changed during that period of time so using "Pictures" in the profile pages does not guarantee anything. And Yes, im defending it bc i have a "crazed smile" picture in my profile but it was from kingdom heart 4 or 5 years ago ... and kingdom heart is cute :3... yea, but we accuse masq because nobody else relates to a jack-o-latern like masq. I'm sure that the writer would not insert jack-o-latern if it meant nothing. It is definately a clue and masq is the only person that connects to it. I would like you to show me another person. | ||
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suspect: Glasse-White Kirby with silver hammer its a wooden hammer.... | ||
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I'm not going to update the list with ppl who make large lists of suspects - too much work. I'll only update the few people that vehemently support/denounce others, i.e. aztrorisk: accused shmotz defended masq actually, I accused both of them. | ||
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Definitely didn't defend me. Why is everyone out to get me My picture doesn't even have carvings in it. Its a pear with bite marks made to look like a face, its supposed to be cute. You guys are so cruel. You just admitted killing a pear. Your obviously a killer | ||
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Off to bed for me, but instead of everyone mindlessly voting for me because of a PEAR. I'd like you to take a look at the guy accusing everyone (not just me), Aztrorisk. This is his profile: Shadows, eyes watching someone while they sleep, and "heavily massacred", with a picture of a shadowed man. Even his quote is interesting "Do not rush the masterpiece". Sure looks hes just playing everyone like a fiddle if you ask me. Mob mentality at its finest. I accused 2 people, you and shmotz, thats it. :D | ||
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On October 11 2010 17:11 youngminii wrote: I'm finding it hard to believe the Jack-o-lantern clue was actually referring to Masq. Maybe it's my lack of experience in clue-based games (I've only played a handful) but wouldn't that be too obvious/unfair? actually, it wasn't very obvious at first. Its pretty difficult to notice the connection between the jack-o-latern and the pear unless someone points it out. Most people didn't notice this until some creative person pointed this out and everything connected and it made sense. | ||
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Right now, my two biggest suspicion is Masq and Vendril. Before I switch to Vendril, I would like to wait a while to see how the votes continue to tally and I will change it to Vendril if my votes will make a difference. However, my current predicament is deciding a player opposing Masq and Vendril (depending on which team they are on) I decided that I do not want to keep my role as the jack-o-latern a secret because I do not want to be responsible for the death of an innocent zombie. I will plant one bomb at either Masq/vendril's house depending on who has the least votes. However, I need to decide on another bomb on one their opposing side's member (so I don't accidentally kill two vampires and make mafia overpowered or the other way around). Since I am the one of the most likely to be murdered by either the vampire or the mafia, I will give you guys a chance to persuade me who I should put my other bomb on. As a result, If I die, you can't blame me and I accidentally killed a zombie, It will not be entirely my fault because you all had the chance to persuade me. I will not reveal my final conclusion on who I decide to target the second bomb to. In addition, I will only accept to place the bomb on someone that I think wants masq/vendril out and can be attacked to one of the clues. | ||
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aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL LYNCH ALL LIARS I will switch to vendril if the vote is like 23 masq - 22 vendril at the end but not if it is 25 masq -21 vendril because my vote wouldn't do anything. | ||
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you should have waited to d2 to claim, though, but i hope you get protected does matter, what if I die today and I accidentally bomb 1 innocent person. Then you guys would be talking about how stupid I was for bombing the wrong person the next day and I can't say anything to defend myself. This way, I leave the blame on the person who convinced me the most. | ||
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This is what a lot of scum do. Let's say Masq is your teammate. You would vote to save his life (thereby risking yourself) only if your vote actually makes a difference (23-22). If it's 25-21 then your vote wouldn't affect anything and you'd be putting your identity on the line by trying to save scum without actually doing anything. then I suggest you keep the votes up for masq. | ||
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So if you are indeed the jack-o-lantern, we may have a problem. Unless you are protected by a ghost tonight, a witch can just curse you and both your pumpkins won't be placed...if I understand the rules correctly. Now I'm trying to decide whether you knew this, and thus a ghost would HAVE to protect you, ensuring you'd survive for another day or if you just didn't think about it to begin with. Hmmmmmm Actually, I thought of that, I was trying to make it apparent for the witch to curse me and the ghost to follow me. I was trying to give the ghost a easy decision of who to save. If my plan works out the following would occur to benefit the town: 1. Mafia wasted a kill point trying to save me 2. Mafia wasted a curse trying to curse me 3. Vampires wasted a Kill point trying to kill me as a result, the ghost haunt would be the most beneficial for the town this way. | ||
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On October 12 2010 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [/blue][/b]Ghost haunting does not prevent a witches curse. Ghost haunting only blocks an action that would kill the haunted player, it does not block bombs, role checks, boogeymen, or frames. o.O the front page says otherwise... or am i reading it wrong? read the witch description: Witch - You are a master of black magic and studied for centuries in the town of Liquidvania. Even the people of Liquidvania who are accepting to monsters despise you and you have since taken up working for the mafia. Once during the night you can PM me the name of a player to curse, preventing them from taking action during the night. You cannot curse the same player twice in a row and you can not curse vampires as they are already cursed and you also cannot curse someone being haunted by a ghost. | ||
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Again the ghost does not block the witch. Nothing blocks the witch. DoctorH can you please read the witch description: Witch - You are a master of black magic and studied for centuries in the town of Liquidvania. Even the people of Liquidvania who are accepting to monsters despise you and you have since taken up working for the mafia. Once during the night you can PM me the name of a player to curse, preventing them from taking action during the night. You cannot curse the same player twice in a row and you can not curse vampires as they are already cursed and you also cannot curse someone being haunted by a ghost. Since you mentioned that the witch can't curse someone haunted by the ghost, I decided to reveal my identity or else I would've kept it a secret. Can you just let this rule come into effect only for tonight as a fair compromise? | ||
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I'd like to congratulate aztro for bringing all that wifom to the town, you are a true hero, sir. actually, the brute counts as a KP so I would be saved and the brute would also go to waste if the ghost decided to save me. | ||
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ghost decides to save me witch decides to curse me vampire brute decides to kill me mafia decides to kill me this would mean: witch curse goes to waste vampire brute dies and vampire loses a kill point mafia loses a kill point I think this is the most effective way to use a ghost haunt. | ||
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The Vampire Brute not only bypasses the ghost but will kill the ghost and anyone else visiting his target in the night. awww....ruined my plan, I looked my plan over before I decided to admit my role. My only response to this comment is to make it more clear next time 2) why would witch curse AND mafia kill? that makes ZERO sense. because they want to kill me and prevent me from killing one of their members | ||
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best case scenario for the town: + Show Spoiler + -brute waste kill on me -mafia uses kill point on me -pumpkin kills vampire -ghost decides not to save me 1 brute + vampire dies and 1 mafia dies or witch curses me and a witch also dies in this scenario worse case scenario for the vampires -they waste a precious brute kill on me that will be most useful in the late game -witch doesn't curse me -I place a pumpkin in a vampire's house thus 2 vampires dies and they waste a precious brute and I did my job as the jack-o-latern worse case scenario for mafia + Show Spoiler + mafia really wants me dead and sends the witch to curse me and use a kill point on me. However brute to kill me and no ghost to haunt me. This would leave two mafia dead (most notably the witch worse case scenario for the town + Show Spoiler + -witch curses me -brute kills me -ghost saves me -detective investigates me (super unlikely though) -this would leave us with a wasted ghost, detective, and jack-o-latern like I said, all it comes down to is basically bluffs and guesses. This will be one hecka of a night. | ||
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After rereading everything, I would suggest that the ghost not choose to save aztorisk. I'm starting to believe that he may not be the jack-o-lantern, and instead might be scum trying to stir up confusion among the townies. However, even if he is the jack-o-lantern, then there is a chance the vampire brute will choose to kill him, thinking that the ghost may be protecting him. Because the ghost is so valuable, I would suggest taking the risk of only losing 1 (or maybe 0) blues, and ensure that the ghost isn't taken out. If he is the jack-o-lantern, then unless a witch chooses to curse him he will be able to place one bomb anyway. I just don't think its worth the risk of either protecting scum, or having the ghost die to the vampire brute. What do you guys think? actually, your wrong, like in the above quote, it all comes down to a guessing game. Trust me, the vampires and mafia both have big risks in this situation. 5 hrs left to decide. | ||
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What we definitely know is azterisk is probably not in the same faction as Bill Murray. He could be baiting a ghost such that his own faction could kill other targets without worrying about their KP going to waste. From what he's posting, he might also be trying to stop the detective from investigating him by continuously mentioning the possibility of a brute attack. 0.0 hehe chances are that I'm gonna die tonight anyways. | ||
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I agree with what jaminz says. in the post above mine, astro ignores older posts about how the brute will kill EVERYONE. I would say that the ghost probably shouldn't visit astro, since the risk is relatively high, and if he is lying, we would have gone through a lot of this stuff and ended up in a bad position. did you read my post about the worse scenarios for the everyone?!?!? man, just read it. Its not like I'm telling the ghost to save me. | ||
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By doing so, you are putting us in a worse position because if you guys are persuasive enough, the vampires would not have to use a brute and just kill me with a regular person. Lets please leave the decision of whether the ghost should save me or not to the ghost. This way, it leaves ambiguity for the mafia and the vampires and make their decision harder on whether to kill me or not. In addition, if the vampire does not send a brute because they don't think the angel is coming and the ghost does come, it can only help us. Now, lets please leave the decision up to the ghost to leave ambiguity. | ||
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You do know it's 1 day +5 hours before nightfall right? It ends on Tuesday at midnight which is technically in 5 hrs because 12:00 am is considered the next day unless Doctor H changed it to wednesday at midnight | ||
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Of course it's a guessing game, but I'm still not sure what I'm wrong about. Care to explain? calling me a scum and I didn't want you to mold the ghost's decision to leave ambiguity. | ||
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It's 1day +5, already spoken with DrH about it Oh, I guess i didn't see where he announced the change. | ||
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I want to create a table of all the possible outcomes and then we can resume this discussion. | ||
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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/rox33rox33cool11/chart.png here are the trends associated with the chart: -mafia tend to fare better when they are less involved. -Towns fare about in the middle between involvement and non-involvement with makes the ghost choice about a 50-50 decision to come or not to come -Vampires tend to fare better by not being involved or sending a brute. However, due to the trends with the others, it seems that sending a brute would work to their disadvantage as non-involvement seems the better choice. -note that the outcomes contains many other variables and a % of good outcomes for your side will be highly inaccurate because people might be more likely to be non-involved than involved. Pandain said that there is another person claiming to be a bomber and I would like to say that you guys should denounce this thought until someone comes out and admits it on the thread so I can publicly denounce them for the fraud that they are on this thread. Right now, this "fraud" if he does exist, is trying to denounce my position while refusing to accept the risks (such as being a target). | ||
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I don't quite understand it LSB, but as pointed out, that's pretty much GG with the Vampire Brute. I don't think the vampires will use the brute this early in the game because it is a huge disadvantage to them because they have very little people with special powers. In addition, the brute's ability is super effective in the late game when there are less people. By using the brute, the vampires are dwindling down their numbers this early in the game and we also get to learn who the brute was and we could target down additional vampires. Just another thing for the ghost to think about when they are pondering about saving me or not. | ||
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Honestly, I am going to take zero stock in this. Your last posts have all been nonsense. You keep telling people to stay on track while trying to stir up conflict. Your claim has caused nothing but trouble. Who is to say that there is only one bomber? I don't remember ever reading that there would only be one of each blue. (Correct me if I'm wrong) You are being very vehement and playing stupidly. If, in fact, you are the JoL, you haven't helped anything by announcing yourself. You have painted a huge target on yourself, and have given M/V more information than they had, while giving the town very little gain. If you are M/V trying to stir up trouble, well then good job, you have been. I am going to be largely ignoring you because it isn't going to help me at all. You could've ignored me beforehand without needing to post this but I don't see what you were trying to accomplish with this post but waste your own time. Maybe if you read my past post, you'll understand my POV. | ||
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If you read the plan LSB highlighted, it has a coordination of every blue protective/investigative role checking ONE person on the first night. Unless it was a massive fake-out (which would also be extremely hard to do with scum trying to throw town off) there'd be no reason for the vampires not to use the Brute and knock out all protective blues and take free hits on other players. For instance, if the vampire brute left me alone until the end of the game, I wouldn't be able to use my power. | ||
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Collateral from the JoL would be a small price to pay for half the blues dead in 1 hit. Furthermore, vamps could still stand to gain if it turns out Masq/Vedril (whichever you're spiking) is also mafia. Considering they'll know if your target is Vampire or not, they could then weigh it up with the knowledge that masq/vedril look like they're both going to die from town votes / reapers. We've already gathered that the plan isn't a good idea though, so I'll stop pressing it. Actually, my plan forces the vampire to pursue a all-out course or play conservatively. The weapon that I am using to my advantage is the fact that the vampires don't actually if the angel will save me or not. I don't care whether the ghost decides to save me are not. The only thing I'm trying to do is make it look like there is a 50% chance of the ghost saving me. By trying to tell the ghost not to save me, you are only helping the vampires because then all they need to do is send a regular killer to me if they know that the ghost will not haunt me and this can only help the vampires. I am just trying to compensate for the fact that the host didn't post a clear enough set of character roles that cause my original plan to backfire. You are not helping. | ||
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pretty sure the brute bypasses the ghost and kills everybody in the room (including ghost and brute) anyway so if the brute comes for you at night you are going to die no matter what, unless you are the frankenstein though, i wonder if the boogeyman/invisible man also die to the brute? their role implies that they remain unseen/stealthed, and i doubt a bloodlusting vampire would detect a random guy in the closet etc I know that. thats the point, However, they would not waste the brute to kill a jack-o-latern which can't do anything if they just leave it alone and try to lynch. | ||
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Can you idiots stop trying to make a town circle? There's 61 people. It's the first day. There's 22 non-townies. Stop confusing yourselves and focus on the only matter at hand: Veldril or Masq. Ok, I will not say anything else if NOBODY and that means NOBODY replies to this remark. My final remark about the jack-o-latern in an attempt to not let my upcoming death go to waste. The ghost whoever you are. You have a decision that could greatly disadvantage or help the town. If you make the wrong decision, I assure you that you will regret it, dearly. I want you to make your decision to save me base on these to factors: 1. does the mafia think that your going to save me that they are willing to send a brute? 2. does the mafia think that your not coming that they will send a mere killer. please consider these two factors and hopefully, based on the tone of everyone, you'll be able to find the right answer. | ||
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mod warning at 14:47 bm posts at: 14:49 14:52 15:00 15:13 15:14 15:14 im not even in this game and i want to see some lightning after that blatant warning and disregard of it How did he get access into the board if he isn't in this game? BTW gnight everyone | ||
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I have the impression that ever since i found the clue about masq, there have been a few people trying to draw the attention off of him. My vote is masq since the begining of the day and it will stay there. Masq not defending himself, obviously not trying to post something that would be against him. Veld, on the other hand, defended himself because i feel like he was a side effect of the masq thing, quite possibly not related. I don't know if hes a noob or not, this probably should be considered. masq is probably not responding because he is a SC pro and is probably too busy playing SC to post. | ||
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Ok i found the clue and made people vote for him. I do believe it was not you sir. Thanks for your effort. So now next day we get more clues about more murders right? I agree, you were the one who convinced me it was masq Bill Murray was the one who advocated for the other vendril | ||
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don't expect tm's clues to be as easy. DrH has realized that that clue may have been too obvious, next ones will likely be much more obscure. This is why ShmotZ is also a killer | ||
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Wait what? how does that quote prove im a killer look at the death description for Doctor H and look at your picture. If we use the same reasoning as we did for masq, then your the killer. If not, show me a person that has a clue that fits more into that description? | ||
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aztrorisk, confirm that i claimed to you like 30 minutes ago as JoL? but you made me swear that I wouldn't say anything | ||
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sorry, im going to smoke. I need ghosts to claim to me, so I can only have 1 on me I AM THE JACK O LANTERN please claim there is no point claiming mad hatter like I am unless I can form a circle in the next 23+ hours I shouldnt claim until I have both bombs placed, and I know that, but I feel threatened first of all, smoking is bad for your health. second of all, I'm the more important so save me ghost | ||
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Ah, finally got forum permission. Someone give me a quick rundown on what's going on at this point? basically, we lynched a vampire already and we are moving on to the second night. and if your a ghost, you need to save me because everyone knows that I'm innocent and I am most likely to be targeted. | ||
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Aztrorisk believe whatever you want to believe, because to me, if we use your same logic, Your just as guilty as me with your profile. The diffrence between your picture and mine, is my character HAS DETAIL. Yours is completely shadow. Also whats up with "Heavily Massacred"? I'm not the one being accused, nobody has been able to link a reasonable clue to my profile yet unlike you. | ||
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On October 11 2010 14:54 aztrorisk wrote: Show nested quote + LOL, a pear indicates a pyscho?!?!? I been looking at other people profile and his is the only one that has a shadowy figure (without a sword and looks immune to bullets) and his picture looks like it can only strangle. Remember this? You were wrong about that back then, and your still wrong now. do you remember how fast I immediately accepted masq as the killer once I saw the correlation? | ||
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Still doesnt prove that you were wrong about masq. You still havent even said anything about your profile picture and how it matches with the same clue your using to make me look guilty. Enough about this im done trying to prove my innocence to you, you've been after me since the start with nothing other than a clue that might or might not even be related to the death. Your losing track about whats going on. Have you not been paying attention to how fishy Bill Murray and Pandain have been? Both want people to get on there sides and protect them and do what they say. There little grudge is gonna tear the town apart and thats what we dont want. Ok, I'll keep you in mid-suspicion for the time period happy? I won't bring up this anymore until a can gather alot more evidence. | ||
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Hmm yes, all I get for spending the effort is PM harassment 0.0 Seeing as how most of you don't need it, I'm not going to update it anymore. Have fun. No!!! without it, there is the proof that I'm the sexist guy alive??? I appreciate it, keep up the good work. | ||
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Aztrorisk, i think he just gets replaced with another player on the wait list. His role isn't dead its him as a player whos dead. I know, but the M/V might not want to kill him anymore. | ||
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It was a fun little experiment - data driven analysis. But it's far too much work for one person, especially on a 60 person game. I give up. My need for acceptance from people I don't know forces me to post this: Poll: Who is the Sexiest Player this game? Doctor H (10) Other (6) AzTroRisK of course (2) meeple (1) Coagulation (1) pandain (1) Bill Murray (1) Glasse (0) Vendril (0) orgolove (0) 22 total votes Your vote: Who is the Sexiest Player this game? (Vote): AzTroRisK of course | ||
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can you spoiler massive poll posts plz srry, I wont post any more polls anyways but I can't edit it unless Doctor H allows me to. this poll is the poll of death. if the sexiest player is not dying (not counting host) by KP tonight... i suggest we give him a close look for lynching position :3 If I get lynched for this reason, I'll die happy | ||
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If you're town you're going to act town. If you're scrum, you're going to act town. Saying someone is scum for acting town is downright dumb or if you're town, your so sure about your innocent that you can act as a scum (and get killed) But we'll know that you are innocent. | ||
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I decided that with lynches, grim reapers, jack o lanterns, and a combined 6 scum kill power, there are more than enough kills to go around. thanx for revealing that there are about 2 JoL and 1 grim reaper or 1 JoL and 3 grim reaper. | ||
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I'd be very interested in seeing the math on that. Both the JOL/Grim Reaper role are in this game, which results in a good amount of kill power for the town. That amount isn't something I've disclosed and there is no way you could know the role count from that post. Feel free to speculate uselessly though. opps srry, I misread the previous post. LOL | ||
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Note I'm not asking for blue role claims, I'm asking to ally with mafia/vampires for a period of time. Theres a noteable difference. interesting, you think I am M/V...I"m not gonna reply to your PM anymore. | ||
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wait, aztorisk claimed? i forgot and/or missed this what did he claim? I am the JoL. Here is a chart of the possible outcomes for my life tonight: http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/rox33rox33cool11/chart.png | ||
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well just in case i get hit by mafia/vamp im gonna lay down my ideas now while i can we are now 100% confirmed val is vamp the next move should be to lynch bill(the poor unfortunate guy that got his role) and watch who squirms when we vote him. (also go back and look for people who sided with him earlier) after bill is lynched we should lynch val it would be best to keep vamp / mafia teams evenly matched so that one does not have a chance to overpower the other. What if Bill was JoL and a very annoying person just happened to get that role? | ||
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oh wow lol, i completely missed that are you one of the JOLs that supposedly claimed to BM etc? I didn't claim to BM. I was the first one to reveal myself with a very thought out plan but it backfired when the rules weren't clear enough and I found out the power of the brute. As a result, my fate is a guess/bluffing game explained in the above chart. | ||
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I hope the ghost made the right choice and saved me. I don't want to die | ||
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My final remarks when I die: I apologize to my fellow townsmen that I was such a bad player. As a result, I depart. | ||
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Stop being a martyr. If you would like, volunteer yourself for the lynch =P I'm don't want to be a martyr but I pretty sure that I'ma die tonight. | ||
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Wow, what an intense night, godfather is dead already. Brute is gone. I'm so happy | ||
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Hmmm, there should be a about 2 ghosts so I'm assuming they both made the right choice. | ||
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Of course not. Nooo!!! I want to know if I have a ghost who saved me. Cries. | ||
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So far, I think M and V are tied since V lost 3 vampires including a brute M lost their godfather | ||
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TY so much for preserving my life. As you can see, you made the right choice. You are so awesome for saving me and you are my hero (because you are so smart for saving me). and gj to the other ghost. | ||
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In fact, the ghost did -not- save you. And none of the reds attacked you. Quit your posing. hehe, how are you so sure? If you don't like it, just ignore it. | ||
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you are not nearly as important as you're making yourself out to be -.- we need to track down who these reds have supported. they might be vets but i'm sure even us newbies can find SOMETHING at least maybe you'll see my importance when I die and their happens to a pumpkin at your door? | ||
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sure sure lets see a show of hands. who thinks this guy should be medic'd to prevent a curse/kill combo, because he's super important and his incredible analytical skills means that his pumpkins will land right on target and kill off two mafia members as soon as he dies? don't try to intimidate anyone across the internet tough guy. doesn't work. Hmmm, ya go waste a curse+a KP on me and risk losing a member when you can leave me alone and I can't do shit if I don't die. | ||
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With 4 vampires dead and only 1 mafia dead, I would suggest that we save veldril for later. actually 3 vamps are dead and 1 mafia I suggest we take out a vamp because if we take one more out, they lose a KP. If we take out Vendril, then we can focus on mafia | ||
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ps join #tlmafia for IRC mafia games, join and idle in it i hope to start games up when we get a nice base of people IRC games are live chat and usually take from like 30 minutes to ~2 hours depending on how things go (for a 9 player game) IRC chats are not allowed. Stated by the host. | ||
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If someone is hit and survived I will PM them with that information. If a ghost successfully saves someone I will also PM them. It's just not public information. wait, so if I didn't get a PM, i was saved? | ||
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Not only did i not say that, but this IRC chat is irrelevant to this game and I highly recommend everyone join it! + Show Spoiler + As a rule going forward: There is to be NO discussion of that irc channel in this thread. It is far too easy to pretend to be someone else and make a fake roleclaim. If you're going to roleclaim or make any serious attempt at discussion, do it in this thread. Because you can not confirm you are who you say you are in a general IRC I seriously recommend you take nothing said in there seriously. It's a nice place to spam, mess about, and NOTHING else. Relevant game discussion belongs in the game thread. Anyone who pretends to be me in the IRC chat will be modkilled and I will suggest you for a permanent ban from all TL mafia games. That includes smurfing under my name. There will be no exceptions to this rule. srry but this kinda sounds like not allowing IRC channels | ||
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On October 16 2010 05:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: Can the Poison Fang poison someone once every night? If so, we need to search for and get rid of him quickly. Yes. that means that only 1 angel was successful. BTW, if we are able to kill a vampire, then they only have 2 kills. In addition, the poison fang use up 1 KP each night. | ||
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The day ends in roughly 5 hours and 40 minutes. The following people have not voted: ~OpZ~, Divinek, kingjames01, KtheZ, XeliN, Lexpar, orgolove, quickstriker, ShmotZ, SiNiquity, Last edit: 2010-10-16 07:21:13 TheMunkey, ZaplinG what about Kpyolysis32 I don't think he is the only one not one this list either. I think you should double check the list. Some people may be missing. | ||
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I had a feeling, we should now blame the people that voted for vendril | ||
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Divinek Canada. October 16 2010 09:04. Posts 3021 PM Profile Blog Quote # like are all of you so naive to think someone would openly protect a member of their own faction so blatantly? it's TERRIBLE reasoning that almost never leads to a correct lynch. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and lynch a mafia but the odds of veldril being vampire are sooo slim just based on how he acted about masq and the general consensus of everyone wagoning him so easily. it's impossible for me to fingering anyone because you're all sheeping on this without looking at the grand scheme of things and instead trying LOOK for ways to paint him red -_ this guy is a MVP. I guess he is innocent because he advocated for Vendril against all odds. | ||
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You mean like....you? I do believe your name is on his lynch. I know, but I didn't advocate for his death. I just voted for him because he was gonna die easily and its better than to call attention to myself. | ||
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Are you admitting to blatantly bandwagoning? You voted for him without suspecting him of being a red? edit by way of post: This post is meant for aztro I agree. I did bandwagon. Sometimes its best to bandwagon and I don't care who knows it. When I voted, there was 17 votes for Vendril. At that time, Vendril sounded like a likely candidate. However, I came across this guide on the first page of the thread which included the following: -Brownbear should have pushed much harder to get key info and help point the town circle in the wrong direction. He did help contribute to the pandain over youngminii lynch, which was crucial for the mafia (as foolishness would have torn up the game singlehandedly otherwise). But given his position and the loose lips of TL townies in general, there's so much more he could've done. -Mafia should have faked another blue and given the town more headaches in trying to confirm everything. The extremely bizarre rolecount and semi-open setup almost demands mafia playing proactively in faking blues and destroying any attempts at trust. and then I read Divinek defense for Vendril and I thought, "hmm, i don't think it is Vendril anymore. Ehh, whatever he still might be the vampire, I'ma not gonna be able to gather enough support to save him, as well let my vote go towards him instead of wasting it on a person that doesn't have a chance to get evicted and pose a statement that says, 'I think your mafia' and make another enemy" hehehe, this is why I laughed when I saw the result. | ||
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e6oa6yh91 3ivv9yg 4y9: 74ol4io (Don't worry, I emailed someone the decoder) | ||
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nice guess though | ||
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someone with the decoding key will reveal it when I die | ||
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ok az, so let me get this straight. You posted code in the thread. You pm'd someone the code key. In short, you pm'd 1 person a message and told every body else you've pmd a particular person, but the message is secret until you're killed. What are you trying to achieve, and why the hell would you want to do that? Moreover, who would you have PM'd? A townside you trust or a faction teammate? This looks about as irrational as your original JoL roleclaim I'll make sense when I die and the code get decoded. Thats all you need to know. | ||
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I'm not really sure what information a JoL would have that is necessary to decode on his death. We'll know who he planted bombs on when he flips. Even then, he might've PM'd a scum, so they could change what he said. its not very important. If you read it, its just my notes. So this info doesn't go to waste when I die. OK? If I picked the wrong person, then nothing big will happen, you just won't have this info. In addition, nobody can make a fake decoder because it won't make sense because I'll add more notes. | ||
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figured it out he says conf[i]rmed killers are: pandain i figure he fucked up in the code with "conformed" instead of confirmed, but this is what it says i wonder how he "conformed" pandain to be a killer as a JOL, or what "killer" even means - scum? grim reaper? i hear cryptograms are hard to decode, confirm/deny Lol, i would like to see your reasoning. | ||
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e6oa6yh91 3ivv9yg 4y9: 74ol4io wp6e4 wyj95a h95 gqj0843w q43: toqww3 y3qf3h9h3q45y y923f34 5y36 dqh w58oo g3 jqr8q | ||
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dw coag, I receieved your secret agent decryption tools, and will reveal upon your death. Until then, my lips are sealed. Honestly though, Azstorkisks message signals to me at least he's struck a deal with someone in PM. The fact that everyone is rallying around pandain and his message mentioned him (azt's "Ill just add more notes" post pretty much confirms annul got it right) suggests he's the liaison at the very least - no great news to anyone. What scares me is that it shows players are more than willing to just give pandain control, so he's in a position to swing the game however he likes depending on his faction. I'll give you a hint for that comment: wp6e4 means SpydR | ||
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Right so, next vote goes towards aztrorix. He's such an attention whore that I can't stand it anymore. Secret code? Why not just give the guy your fucking message and tell him to divulge when you're dead. What kind of fucked up reasoning do you have? How important do you think you are? God. Even if you ARE the JoL, and you KNOW as much about the game as you think (which, clearly, you don't, but let's go with it), then you dying will kill 2 important targets. So why NOT? So far I was smiling and such at all the rage going on, but this is the second time you've gone out of your way to make things complicated for the townies. My vote will stick with you till you die. Mark my words. because if I gave a guy my message, you wouldn't believe that guy. DUH!!!! | ||
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you better hope you die tonight or your credibility is gonna go from zero to gtfo. srry coagulation, your not in my secret code but if I knew anything, you'll be on it too. | ||
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aztrorisk, your notes are not based on anything blue, so you don't need to encode them. If you had flipped and then we encoded your shit, and then pandain flipped town, you would be misleading the town. Just post your notes normally. To pretend that whatever you have is rocksolid just shows your newbness and I'm inclined just to ignore you. You don't need to keep secrets about your thoughts from the town. I know, but if I reveal them now, I'll be killed by the town. | ||
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and what the fuck is gonna stop me from claiming that im the one that you sent the decoder message. and whats gonna stop me from making it say anything i want it to say. how does the guy who got the decoder message prove that its anymore legit than just posting the damn message? because you would have to post a decoder and if you claim a wrong decoder, you'll die because people will know your a scum. In addition, you can't make up a decoder because it won't fit in the message. | ||
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Hes begging to get lynched. I for one would be happy to oblige. BTW, your reactions to my code just incriminates you when I die. MUAHAHAhAHA | ||
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if we lynch aztrorisk And hes JOL as he claims (doubt it) we would get 3 confirmed kills (him+2bomb) thats alot of information to come from 1 lynch. if we lynch him and hes not JOL judging from his attitude he will be mafia/vampire. and we get a red kill. its a win/win what if I picked the wrong people to kill. I guess we can blame you. HHAHAHAHA. | ||
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aztrorisk, the worst part is I actually believe you are a JoL. You are too stupid to do a fakeclaim. Townies like you are the reason that town loses the game. You don't give a shit bout your win condition. You are just in the game for yourself. Your actions are likely to get townies killed and you don't even care. If I had any power to, I would ban you from a few games until you adjust your attitude. But I don't. And you almost certainly won't die. You are way too disruptive of a player and mafia values that. The scum will likely just try to get you lynched instead of wasting a night kill on you. I'm basically going to ignore your comings and goings and hopefully you spam the thread enough to get modkilled. this comment kinda hurt. In addition, I do care about my position. However, as JoL, I feel like I have the ability to say what I want without M/V targeting me. | ||
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Even if you're a townie, which I think you MIGHT be, you still should die for not letting the townies figure out clues/suspects/etc, by barging in with your wild claims. I sincerely think that you're doing more damage to the game than any of the reds lol. Keep this in record that you said this when I get lynched. Only the people who fear that the code can be detrimental to their side is scared of the code. | ||
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I criticized you for making code therefore I'm a conformed killer. Love your logic bro. I honestly doubt you're red, but I doubt you're a Jack either. I get the impression you're just embarrassed and throwing mud around to try to cover it up. At any rate though, I don't understand your angle. either: 1 - you're scum and drawing huge amounts of negative attention to yourself which is downright bad 2 - you're the Jack and you think that by letting the town lynch you, you'll be nailing 2 reds and be a hero 3 - you're just bored truth is, I don't want to die. I just wanted to leave a message behind every night so this info doesn't go to waste. The only reason I am responding to all of this is to defend myself. Obviously, I care about staying alive. If I was M/V, I wouldn't be doing this. So guys, keep the insults coming. It just helps the town figure out whose the scum. | ||
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Your spamming is unacceptable Aztrorisk. This is your warning, next time you cross the line it's a modkill. srry Doctor H, I'm just trying to defend myself, I won't post anymore messages after this one | ||
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OK hi people its time to break this game wide open i am tired of seeing town being dumb and not working together i am claiming jack o lantern. i am also claiming that i know at least two other confirmed blues and a couple of ideas as to who else might be blue. i am NOT a detective, but one of my confirmed blues IS. i will not say where my bombs are, but you should probably imagine they're on reds, because i am not dumb. i will also say that every action i have taken so far in this game has been to survive to a point where i can get into a circle... or start one, as i now am doing. people ive been suspicious of, etc... may or may not be who i actually am suspicious of. (my DT is confirmed because he checked me night 2 and found my role, PMed me with it, and as it came out of nowhere i cant believe he was rolefishing). so this is what i want to do. i want someone to volunteer to be checked. i will have my DT check you tonight. i will then tell you what the DT sees, and this will prove to you that we have the blues we say we have in the circle. PLEASE DO NOT ASK TO BE CHECKED IF YOU ARE A STRAIGHT UP GREEN. this does not help us. if you are a blue and you want a way to confirm with other blues and start actually playing this game, then you need to get this game started and you need to PM me. again, DO NOT tell me what specific role you have, only that you are a blue and you want to be checked. mafia and vampires should leave us alone, since their job is to kill the other, not us. nice suggestion, but what if the Vampire Lord come up to u and claim blue? | ||
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OK hi people its time to break this game wide open i am tired of seeing town being dumb and not working together i am claiming jack o lantern. i am also claiming that i know at least two other confirmed blues and a couple of ideas as to who else might be blue. i am NOT a detective, but one of my confirmed blues IS. i will not say where my bombs are, but you should probably imagine they're on reds, because i am not dumb. i will also say that every action i have taken so far in this game has been to survive to a point where i can get into a circle... or start one, as i now am doing. people ive been suspicious of, etc... may or may not be who i actually am suspicious of. (my DT is confirmed because he checked me night 2 and found my role, PMed me with it, and as it came out of nowhere i cant believe he was rolefishing). so this is what i want to do. i want someone to volunteer to be checked. i will have my DT check you tonight. i will then tell you what the DT sees, and this will prove to you that we have the blues we say we have in the circle. PLEASE DO NOT ASK TO BE CHECKED IF YOU ARE A STRAIGHT UP GREEN. this does not help us. if you are a blue and you want a way to confirm with other blues and start actually playing this game, then you need to get this game started and you need to PM me. again, DO NOT tell me what specific role you have, only that you are a blue and you want to be checked. mafia and vampires should leave us alone, since their job is to kill the other, not us. Ok then, I would liked to be rolechecked (obviously you already know I'm JoL, too) | ||
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I know but it's frustrating as hell to start off with a good lynch and then lose half of the townies from there (i know i'm exaggerating). I mean, couldn't the modkills be mafia? Why does the town have to suffer from inactivity. In a game with 2x the number of reds, we can't lose these many people with just making ONE correct guess. So far, my "gut feeling" told me to vote for Masq (which I did, and got some ppl to come along as well), NOT vote for Veldril (but I did it anyway, since if I hadn't, it would look like I would've gone back on my "word" - that if Masq is red then most likely so is veld, even though I stated that Veld may just be a newbie who overreacted), and now, that BM's replacement would sink us all, and it kinda did. How we have to start from scratch, but we have a lot of suspects. The only thing we NEED to do is weed out some that are most likely mafia, maybe based on fking decent clues now, not like the silver hammer that was a clue in Night 0 when Player X wasn't even here. (NOT saying artanis or whoever is NOT red, but reasoning like that is what gets us in the middle of an empty field). So how about focusing more on clues, and weeding out people who are not helping (lurkers, spammers, etc). I hope the reds go after Aztrorisk now, since 2 JoLs are already down. I'm really curious if he's a bad townie player or a really bad red player. Thats fine by me. I'll just leave a pumpkin at your house. I wanna see if your a really bad townie or a really obvious bad guy. | ||
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Hmmm, It looks like even. Yet looking at these numbers are depressing since there is only 20 townsmen left. | ||
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On October 20 2010 14:44 Node wrote: I'm posting now to vouch for annul. He is the real thing and his DT is the real thing. I don't know if there's much more I can say other than that. Clearly, at this point the town could use some organization. We can win this thing and have what we need to come out ahead. There are a bunch of suspicious people around, and I feel with a bit of thought we can lynch a guaranteed red at the end of the day. Both the mafia and the vampires are down to 2 KP. It's time to take control. Trust annul. The town needs something to tie us together. Who are the bunch of suspicious people you speak of? apparently, you and I and everybody that isn't confirmed in there lil organization yet. I trust them however, I doubt that the vampire/mafia would do something this gutsy. | ||
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I like it. MUAHAHAHA | ||
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Srry town, I got modkilled because I lost track of the days. Oh well, you only need 1 more of each to die. I think you guys can do it. GL. | ||
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*I SCREWED THE TOWN OVER. LOL* | ||
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aztro: i knew you were blue. i figured you may have even been a DT. the questions i asked you on day 1 and night 1 were designed specifically to elicit a check if you were the DT. i hinted that i had a role and that i wanted to work with you, but had no problem at all just cutting you out of my plan. this was calculated and intentional. I'm so glad I gave you an attitude on the first day and rejected to corporate. LOL. hehehe. If you didn't PMed me, I woulda investigated SPYDR | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + if you say so i dont agree with your assessment, but i get the feeling we do not agree on a lot of things in terms of game strategy ----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: Ok, I don't mind if you don't trust me. I prefer it if people don't ask me who I placed a bomb at. All this time, the only thing you accomplish in my eyes is reveal that you exist in this game and can be a threat to the town. Actually, by Pandain telling you the truth, I suspect him more because a good person would have kept it a secret in order to protect him. That was his test. Right now, I am seriously considering Pandain to be a M/V because he revealed this info. If he wasn't a veteran, I would understand but since he is, I think he would know better. Muahahahaha. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: ok then you gained that pandain told me you bombed him, which you told him you did, which he has no reason to lie to me if he is town or otherwise about that fact you gained that i asked him (which i said i would) and that i would reply that back to you you lost my participation with you, because now i do not trust you to be forthright. i will attempt to find someone else. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: I didn't spend many hours to get this end result. I spent maybe 30 min in all to replay to all my PM and to replay to you. I think I gathered alot of info and was very productive with my time. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: if you say so you could have taken less than many hours of game time to get to this end result, but so it goes. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: Doesn't sound very convincing. However, I will tell you this. I tell anybody that asks me who I planted my bomb on that I planted it on them. As a result, I will be less likely to be killed at night if they turn out to be M/V. I will not disclose my information to you either or anyone else. However, there is a possible that I actually did plant on him because I do suspect him. I decided to send you to ask him for his reply merely to see how he responded. I thought that this would give me more intel then merely saying that I planted it on you. Ty, you served my purpose very well. Moral of this reply is do try to pry info from a JoL. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: fine by me ----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: If I tell you, you have to promise that you won't tell pandain what I am gonna tell you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: he just told me that you put it on him this makes no sense, because if this is true, why would you send me to him? why do you trust him enough to tell me that fact but you obviously think he is scum or you wouldn't try to bomb him something does not add up ----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: I think he is afk right now. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: if you say so i have asked pandain. i wonder what he could tell me that would make me understand why id have to go through him for your bomb targets, but alright, i am willing to wait for his reply ----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: You'll see if you ask him. You can ask me afterwards to confirm what he said so you can know for sure. If I tell you, I have a higher chance of getting killed. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: ? why? if pandain tells me the truth, it is no different from you telling me directly if pandain lies, then why would i want to ask him to begin with? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: I told Pandain since I trust him now. You have to ask him for that info because I'll let him reveal it to you because I trust him since LSB trusted him (the other JoL). Just tell Pandain that I told you to ask him. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: if you are actually JOL, who have you placed your bombs on? i do not simply ask you for the hell of it. | ||
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[19:11:22] <DoctorHelvetica> he roleclaimed because he's an idiot Thanx alot Dr. H. I love hearing what you have to say about me. [Edit: Opps wrong person, you were impersonated.] | ||
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I was also getting PMs from 3 other vampires, and I suspected all of them. But, I suspected annul the most. BTW (after reading everything on the thread about me, I decided to answer 1 question) I discovered that annul was the vampire lord due to the clue and I voted for him and I was gonna advocate for him but it turns out that I was a day off my schedule and I was modkilled. Darn it!!! However, I was thrown off guard by Dinevek. Darn you!!! Damn Pandain for looking so suspicious. | ||
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On October 29 2010 11:32 Nemesis wrote: Hahaha yeah, Divinek was the only vampire that I actually didn't suspect. He somehow escaped my radar  I think Most Believable Townsmen should go to Dinivek | ||
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=) i was amazed no one ever tried to attack me Man, I was wondering how you guys decoded my message so early. One they decoded it early, I got pretty suspicious of Divinek. So I formed a new code, and I emailed the key to divinek again. LOL. But I lost suspicion of him because he wasn't significant to me. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
GG Sorry for overall bad play guys. My first time in this kind of game, so when BM pressured me, I kinda panic and did things I should not. Any feedback is welcomed. Thank in advance. Don't worry, I think I deserved the most blame. I was the one that opened the Vamp Lord to a list of blues and making his job that much easier. In addition, I also gave annul integrity as a JoL. If it wasn't for me, the vampires would have been so much weaker. I also wrongly accused Pandain and I gave a vampire my secret code. In addition, I lost track of time and was modkilled. I think I did the most damage to the town as a blue and I think I deserve the worse play award. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On October 29 2010 07:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'll write a longer analysis later. Town made some bad mistakes early on and I have a bit to say about the clue analysis. when is analysis gonna be up? | ||
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United States896 Posts
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