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Hey guys sorry I missed out on day 1. I didn't have access to the thread. I'm quite amazed we got a scum on day 1, but then again I'm not used to clue dynamics.
I'm catching up now and I'm on page 13. I thought I'd share this nice gem with you guys that I noticed.
On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL
Let me clarify:
NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL
Let me clarify more:
MR VAMPIRE
Let me clarify 3 more times:
VAMPIRE
VAMPIRE
VAMPIRE
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm looking for vampires AND mafia...anyone have thoughts on this?
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On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:
If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate.
If a person defend other person then those people are teammate.
Veldril defend Masq
Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate.
Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire.
If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please?
A post from Veldril responding to Bill Murray...he made the same mistake as BM and said vampire, instead of mafia/vampire.
But I don't think anyone really doubts that Veldril is a vampire at this point after his connections with Masq and Masq's flipping of vampire.
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On October 14 2010 10:09 NB wrote:
well he used the coffin reference.... and bill has been modkilled already....
hmm gues I'm confused. I didn't see any modkill references in the OP. If he's modkilled does he flip his role?
from my understanding the only flipped role so far is Masq. Still catching up
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On October 14 2010 10:26 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 10:25 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 14 2010 10:09 NB wrote:
well he used the coffin reference.... and bill has been modkilled already.... hmm gues I'm confused. I didn't see any modkill references in the OP. If he's modkilled does he flip his role? from my understanding the only flipped role so far is Masq. Still catching up He has been replaced, so someone else has his role now
ok then whoever replaced him is probably mafia then, with the slip up Bill made.
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On October 12 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
what has convinced him? i have posted like 200 lines of text on it
OMGUS
Chainsaw Defense
Weak red scumslips
He is a vampire. I'm pretty fucking sure of this.
another slip. Not sure why he's so convinced he HAS to be a vampire
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how someone plays a game is not a reason to vote for them, even if they're annoying. Any green/blue lynches are bad for the town.
Voting for information is stupid too.
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A player pretending to be a newbie when they're a veteran isn't indicative of scum, it's indicative of someone who doesn't like to get killed...no one wants to get killed and get kicked out of the game, townies/red/blues whoever. It's not fun to not be able to post 
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@orgo
Some advice. Spreadsheets are awesome. Amazing. Very good data compilation tools.
But they shouldn't be made public.
a) You give the scum detailed insight into how you think and where you are going
b) You allow the scum to manipulate your way of thinking
c) People will suspect you for it when you have unfortunately made mistakes.
Best to keep it to yourself. Spreadsheets help alot in this game to compile all the connections and information, but by posting it you are giving the scum information and you're also allowing them to manipulate you.
Also, I've been in your position before. You get frustrated from the spotlight and all the accusations. This is what this game is. A game of accusation. I suggest taking a step back from the computer, going outside or something, and clear your head before coming back to the game. Trust me, it helps.
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5 kills? Wasn't there 6 KP?
and vigilantes as well. I'd like to pat the Vigilantes on the back for keeping it in their pants, if that's what happened.
Although I think the guy replacing Bill Murray and Veldril should've died.
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youngmini died to LSB's pumpkin. So I guess that means 4 scum kills.
So two were blocked?
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On October 14 2010 13:25 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
The Vampire Brute dying is awesome
Yet another JoL is a little weird. I really doubt that 4 exist.
And wow at the Godfather getting killed so early
By the way, the clue in LSB's death does look a hell of a lot like I did it, with the cat. It's bound to come up, so I'll just point it out now so we don't waste time.
why would you implicate yourself?
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On October 14 2010 13:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 13:41 Coagulation wrote:
HOLY FUCKING CAT Kpyolysis32
i dont wanna seem kind of harsh but if this isnt an obvious link to scum then i dont know what is. Guys, the clues won't be as obvious as the one we used to lynch Masq. They could be, yes. I don't believe they will be though. Stop pointing fingers so fast, I don't want another Day 1 shit show -_-
you mean a day 1 shit fest in which scum got lynched? Yeah clue speculation doesn't work at all.
Unless you are a vampire of course. That didn't go well for vamps at all.
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On October 14 2010 16:42 Veldril wrote:
Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2.
1. A ghost protected me.
2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night.
3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself.
4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1.
5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire.
On October 14 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote:
EDIT the above post.
To clarify point 3, only Bum and Youngminii fervently want me lynched. LSB is killed by a vampire because he's a veteran and vampire knows he is not in his team.
1) Are you saying you were saved by a ghost night 1? please confirm
2) Are you saying you have been poisoned night 1? please confirm
FOr both of these, please don't speculate. you are either 100% sure or not.
3) all 3 of those people are dead
5) I agree
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edit by way of post:
I forgot 4...
Vedril, point 3 and 5 completely contradict each other.
4) all 3 of those people are dead
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On October 13 2010 16:23 Veldril wrote:
And Masq turns out to be a vampire...
If you guys are so worried about me, role check me if you want. You can even plant a bogeyman to spy whether someone visit me or not to. However, I think that some people are now 100% sure of my role right now.
Remember that town wants to reduce the number of vampire and mafia gradually and have their number similar to each other. Moreover, Mafia now would want to use town vote to kill me more than dirty their own hands. Lynching me now would only help strengthen Mafia.
All in all, reserve your judgment until day 2. There's going to be a lot of killing this night.
Can you explain this?
If you were a townie, how would your death strengthen the mafia?
To me this is basically a vampire claim
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Veldril is english your first language?
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I am now caught up in the game. My main suspects are:
Veldril - nearly confirmed vampire
Glurio - nearly confirmed mafia (sorry glurio for replacing in like this)
I'll make a long post explaining why in my next post.
Other than those two are just hunches and I haven't done much analysis. We can only lynch one person at a time so rather not distract from their lynching.
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I want to put my two cents in about blue roles.
Firstly, if you have a blue role, for the love of god don't claim unless you have a good reason. Don't even hint at them. You are giving the scum more information to easily make their nightkills.
Secondly, don't discuss what blue roles need to do. NB did this during day 1, and he was the mafia godfather. Blue roles will do what blue roles do, and they will give us information when they want us to.
Thirdly, don't claim to people in PM's. Don't listen to them when they say others have already claimed. You have no idea if they are townie or not, and knowing who you are you will die and the town will lose a blue role.
If that person tries to gain your trust by showing you a PM of them from DrH, they're cheating. They can tell you any role they have. All role PMs are public. Also, we were given two role pms, one of which has been changed. How do you know he isn't showing you the one given before?
As a rule, people discussing blue actions and asking people to PM them are never trustworthy. I hope the newbies to mafia don't fall into this. If you are a blue role, do what you think is best and don't listen to what anyone else tells you. Don't play WIFOM games of "well if we talk abou tit, then it won't happen." Just do what you believe is best. Don't worry about failing. Failing would be letting the mafia influence your night action for their benefit.
As a rule I'm highly suspicious of anyone discussing blue actions publicly.
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On October 14 2010 21:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 19:42 KhrisKruel wrote:
I want to put my two cents in about blue roles.
Firstly, if you have a blue role, for the love of god don't claim unless you have a good reason. Don't even hint at them. You are giving the scum more information to easily make their nightkills.
Secondly, don't discuss what blue roles need to do. NB did this during day 1, and he was the mafia godfather. Blue roles will do what blue roles do, and they will give us information when they want us to.
Thirdly, don't claim to people in PM's. Don't listen to them when they say others have already claimed. You have no idea if they are townie or not, and knowing who you are you will die and the town will lose a blue role.
If that person tries to gain your trust by showing you a PM of them from DrH, they're cheating. They can tell you any role they have. All role PMs are public. Also, we were given two role pms, one of which has been changed. How do you know he isn't showing you the one given before?
As a rule, people discussing blue actions and asking people to PM them are never trustworthy. I hope the newbies to mafia don't fall into this. If you are a blue role, do what you think is best and don't listen to what anyone else tells you. Don't play WIFOM games of "well if we talk abou tit, then it won't happen." Just do what you believe is best. Don't worry about failing. Failing would be letting the mafia influence your night action for their benefit.
As a rule I'm highly suspicious of anyone discussing blue actions publicly. This is highly cynical and I'm going to argue that it is just a stupid idea entirely. There needs to be structure in this game. It is inherently hard to build that town structure in this game because you can't trust ANYONE. However, that does not mean everyone should keep secrets. PMs should be had between people, and trust should be -tried- to be gained. If everyone just does their own thing, it will be the most chaotic game ever. If you honestly suspect people just for suggesting blue actions, then you would already know that I was theorycrafting what blues could do for Night 1 (unless everyone just ignores my posts, in which case *sadface*). If you are going to suspect me for that, then go ahead, it will be a waste. Blues shouldn't blindly declare, and certainly shouldn't publicly declare, but that's not to say that there shouldn't be an attempt to make some structure.
Yes I suspect you. I Don't trust anyone trying to control blue actions. The town doesn't need structure until late in the game when roles are pretty much confirmed. At that point a mass claim is correct. Early in the game its better just to let blues do what they want.
Besides, who is going to control the structure? Why would anyone trust anyone? If you claim to a mafia, you'll just die the next night.
Any blue claiming to an unknown person has got to be completely retarded. Players that are new to the game might fall for these dumb tactics.
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On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:
Huh, this is the perfect way to play IF YOU WANT SCUM TO WIN. FoS
No, scum influencing blue actions is the way for scum to win.
On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:
Why? Well then town is COMPLETELY disorganized, while scum is still perfectly intact. It'll take forever to confirm townies and even longer to confirm reds. You're highly suspicious of anyone discussing blue actions? Well I'm highly suspicious of you.
Having publicly confirmed townies is not a good thing. They'll just die. Secondly, how do you know that the person you're talking to isn't scum? If a blue privately discloses a role to a scum, and then that role gets confirmed, why would the scum keep that blue around?
There's absolutely no way to confirm someone as a townie through private PM's. There's no way to control blue's actions without letting the scum know. Therefore, best policy is to let the blue's do what they want, and the scum have less information.
This is so weird arguing about this because this is the first game I've ever run across where this was an issue. I thought it was common knowledge not to do this.
On October 14 2010 10:02 KhrisKruel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys sorry I missed out on day 1. I didn't have access to the thread. I'm quite amazed we got a scum on day 1, but then again I'm not used to clue dynamics. I'm catching up now and I'm on page 13. I thought I'd share this nice gem with you guys that I noticed. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Let me clarify: NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Let me clarify more: MR VAMPIRE Let me clarify 3 more times: VAMPIRE VAMPIRE VAMPIRE I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm looking for vampires AND mafia...anyone have thoughts on this?
On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:
An incredibly stupid post that concentrates more on the fact that BM was making a joke than anything else (he mentions the possibility of both mafia AND vampire). I thought I'd let it slide since you weren't pushing that hard, and at least held a sliver of truth.
The other thing you were doing that annoyed me was your claim of having "experience" by telling people how they should play the game when you're clearly wrong.
He wasn't making a joke, he said vampires. He mentioned it multiple times throughout his posts. He called Veldril a vampire multiple times and never mentioned the possibility of him being mafia. This is a slip. BM is almost certainly a mafia because of this.
I like how you say I'm annoying for telling others how to play the game, yet you're arguing with me how to play the game. Hypocratic much? And I'm not wrong. Blues need to do what they want to do and shouldn't be influenced by anyone else but themselves. It's suspicious to try and control blue actions.
On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 12:24 KhrisKruel wrote:
how someone plays a game is not a reason to vote for them, even if they're annoying. Any green/blue lynches are bad for the town.
Voting for information is stupid too. Say we have a dumbass greenie who's charismatic and pushes extremely hard for whoever his suspicions first land on, and people actually bandwagon. Way more townies would get lynched. Suppose a dumbass greenie is bored with his role and just reads the threads to make dumb jokes and poke fun at people. Suppose a lot of dumbass greenies are inactive because their role sucks and so they don't want to play, helping to hide scum. Voting for information is stupid? That is retarded, day 1 how the fuck else are you going to get information? You want us to rely on clues, Mr I've-Got-Tons-Of-Mafia-Experience? The rest of your posts go on attacking Veldril who's already vampire in most people's eyes. Sure, that's safe, even beneficial if you're mafia. You're getting really scummy in my eyes.
Dumbass greens need to be exposed for what they are...dumbass greens. Lynching a townie is always detrimental to the town, period.
All those scenarios though the "green" person would be scummy, and would get lynched for being scummy, not because people want information.
As for how to lynch day 1, connections and clues and people using logic fallacies are the way to lynch people.
Veldril actively defended masq when there was no reason to. Masq flipped vampire. Easy connection.
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Post counts are only important for identifying who isn't posting and is lurking. Top poster means nothing. It only identifies play styles, not indicative of scum or town.
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On October 14 2010 23:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I have not been trying to control the blues. I have merely made suggestions about possible targets, and put in my opinions of where blues could go.
The mere act of suggesting any possibilities for blues to do actions is attempting to influence the blues. I think that's scummy. If you just gave a list of people you find scummy and townie, I'm sure the blues would use that list against their own and make the best decision without some random person who they don't know if is town or not putting WIFOM on their plate.
On October 14 2010 23:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I never said that I was the person to trust. If people were to claim to me, they would have my trust, but there is no way for anyone to know that unless I am role checked. I am not TRYING to control the blues, I am only saying that having no structure is futile.
It's not futile. When blues finally claim later in the game, all the information of their "random" acts will be revealed and we can go from there. It's not as random as you think. The scummy people will get investigated, and townie players will get protected. That's how it works. Attempting to influence their decisions just allows scum to manipulate.
On October 14 2010 23:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
The Mafia/Vampire win conditions are to kill all of the enemy faction. They do not win by killing townies. Townies will die, sure. But us dying won't get the M/V any closer to a win. The mafia and vampires are already structured, they know their allies and who they can target. The town is set back extremely by not knowing anything. We are fortunate that we have had this many scum die thus far, but that does not mean we can sit on our asses and hope that a chaotic bumblefuck of townies will win in the end. Even if, as you claim, a structure is not needed until late game, it is difficult to set one up at the blink of an eye. We need to start now.
How do we start one up? How can a blue trust each other? The only fail safe method is to post pictures of your pm box. That's cheating. and secondly, everyone got two role pm's. How do you know they aren't showing you the one that is now untrue?
There's no way in hell a ghost could possibly trust anyone. Just because they protected someone doesn't mean they are townie, because there are two factions. Also, they could've protected from a vigilante.
Detectives are the closest thing to being able to set up some type of safety ring. But they shouldn't do jack until they have investigations. Detectives will trust who they want, not because someone said "hey guys roleclaim to me."
If there is a ring of blues going around, it shouldn't be started by people posting in the thread about it. They should do it on their own accord. And they shouldn't listen to what anyone in the thread says about what actions to do. This is the only way to keep scum out of the ring.
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DrH, I can't find it in the original post, but if Veldril gets the required amount of votes, does that end the day immediately? It looks like from your OP that the day won't end until the 48 hours is up, and you also require everyone to vote. If the day ends early, there will likely be a bunch of people that haven't voted.
Just requesting a verification
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On October 15 2010 22:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 21:38 CubEdIn wrote:On October 15 2010 20:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Holy crap there are already a lot of votes on Veldril.
I haven't gotten to read all of Day 2, but has nothing new developed? It sort of just feels like we're bandwagoning Day 1's discussion. Do I think Veldril should go? Yeah, probably. Just surprised that no one new has really gained more suspicion. It's not just that. There are some people who have gained a lot of suspicion, but none nearly as much as Veldril, AND if we're right, it will reduce Vamp KP by 1. So it's a pretty high-priority target. ...unless we're wrong, which is what I'm most scared of right now.  Yeah, we may be wrong, but let's look at the scenarios: 1. He's townie - not that big of a deal. We have a decent lead, we can afford one or two townie kills. 2. He's blue - this is worst case scenario, losing a blue would suck. 3. He's Vampire - Vampires lose a kill point, Mafia has a decent edge on Vamps, we would need to start focusing on finding Mafia. 4. He's Mafia - Mafia and Vamps are more even, Vamps still have 3 KP. Even if each scenario has an equal percentage chance of income, we have a 75% chance of it not going badly for the town. I see scenarios 3 and 4 to be about equally beneficial. 3 is more beneficial for Night 2, while 4 is more beneficial for the long run of the game.
You do realize this can be said about every player in the game.
This post reeks of "I don't care if Veldril dies"
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Actually, now that I think about it, it does mean you care if Veldril dies.
You give completely illogical numbers. Anyone can see from the OP its not an equal chance of being each. Your numbers heavily skew towards advantageous numbers.
A townie lynch is not good. Ever. Sad that you would think that. I know scum would think that townie kills are good though.
With your illogical numbers, and no vote yourself, your post screams "I want Veldril dead but I don't want to get my hands dirty." Even if you do plan to vote for him, if this is really your reasoning, then that's scummy.
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There's absolutely no reason for the frankenstein to claim if he got hit. However, saying that he was saved is fine.
It would be useful to know the flavor of whoever tried to kill him...if it was vamps we know he's not a vamp, and if it was mafia we know he's not a mafia. There's just no reason to divulge the reason he/she was saved.
Public knowledge of how many ghosts there are in the game really only helps the scum.
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instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched
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On October 16 2010 09:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched
edit by way of post.
I mean who you suspected from 30 pages ago. Not alot has changed since then.
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On October 16 2010 10:10 aztrorisk wrote:
Doctor H, did you assign the roles or were they random?
he's said multiple times that it was randomized
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On October 16 2010 12:01 orgolove wrote:
He's forcing me to talk with him "privately" -.-
How is he forcing you. If you don't want to talk to him privately post the PM's and continue the discussion publicly.
No one is forcing you to do anything. Although if he's threatening you or something then that needs to be exposed
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On October 16 2010 13:03 aztrorisk wrote:
hahahaha
I had a feeling, we should now blame the people that voted for vendril
You mean like....you? I do believe your name is on his lynch.
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Are you admitting to blatantly bandwagoning?
You voted for him without suspecting him of being a red?
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On October 16 2010 13:13 KhrisKruel wrote:
Are you admitting to blatantly bandwagoning?
You voted for him without suspecting him of being a red?
edit by way of post:
This post is meant for aztro
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On October 16 2010 13:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I feel this is necessary to bring up to the group. Pandain has PMd me with a message titled "Ultimatum"
Interesting. Well, I'm sorry to say, I must be a creeper then. If the only evidence you have is a DT check, which, sure, is some nice evidence, and you are convinced, go ahead. If you find evidence in my posts damning me to be vampire, then I will be more inclined to believe you. If you do though, it will be a wasted death.
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Original Message From Pandain:
dt check
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Original Message From jcarlsoniv:
Lol, ok, go ahead if you want another lynch like tonight. What possible evidence do you have that I'm vampire?
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Original Message From Pandain:
just vampire.
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Original Message From jcarlsoniv:
...just curious, what are you going to reveal me as.
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Original Message From Pandain:
With vendril dead, I want some info NOW or I'm revealing you asap and let mafia do w/e
I know, obviously I would claim creeper if someone confronted me, right? Well, I assure you that I am a zombie. If people find evidence in my posts that suggests otherwise, please bring it up. I will be a wasted death/kill if I am targeted because of this.
To be honest jcarl, I think you're a vampire too.
You pushed for Veldril when Masq was gaining speed, just like every other flipped vampire.
You rarely do any scum finding, while trying to push people to scum find.
You suspect people that have flamboyant posting styles, when play styles aren't really indicative of scum or not.
You publicly keep asking for blue information. No one is going to give you blue information. That would be suicide on the blue's part.
So yes I thought you were a vamp too.
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If no vampires die tonight, I'm gonna push jcarl's lynch tomorrow. If a vamp does die, then I'm gonna vote for glurio, to take down some mafia.
See ya'll in day 3.
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On October 16 2010 14:32 spydR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 13:03 aztrorisk wrote:
hahahaha
I had a feeling, we should now blame the people that voted for vendril Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 13:04 jodogohoo wrote:
win for me =) good to see him dead regardless of his role Someone tell me these posts aren't scummy as hell? Very disappointing result here. Post analysis inc after dinner hopefully
no they're scummy as hell. You are correct.
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I'm not really sure what information a JoL would have that is necessary to decode on his death.
We'll know who he planted bombs on when he flips.
Even then, he might've PM'd a scum, so they could change what he said.
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How does a JoL know who a confirmed killer is
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aztrorisk, your notes are not based on anything blue, so you don't need to encode them. If you had flipped and then we encoded your shit, and then pandain flipped town, you would be misleading the town.
Just post your notes normally. To pretend that whatever you have is rocksolid just shows your newbness and I'm inclined just to ignore you. You don't need to keep secrets about your thoughts from the town.
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if you posted what you decoded, you would be lynched by the town?
So knowing that whatever you decoded would get you lynched, why wouldn't we just lynch you for claiming that?
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aztrorisk, the worst part is I actually believe you are a JoL.
You are too stupid to do a fakeclaim.
Townies like you are the reason that town loses the game. You don't give a shit bout your win condition. You are just in the game for yourself. Your actions are likely to get townies killed and you don't even care.
If I had any power to, I would ban you from a few games until you adjust your attitude. But I don't. And you almost certainly won't die. You are way too disruptive of a player and mafia values that. The scum will likely just try to get you lynched instead of wasting a night kill on you.
I'm basically going to ignore your comings and goings and hopefully you spam the thread enough to get modkilled.
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I have this feeling that the two pumpkins he put down are under townies.
They only go off if he gets nightkilled right? If we lynch him then there's no danger to the town?
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I guess ignoring him is the best option then
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On October 17 2010 10:10 jodogohoo wrote:
As town, we have failed to set the atmosphere for this game. Instead of a cohesive unit analyzing clues and pointing out suspicious individuals, we pretty much just let a bunch of obvious reds post stupid shit, and also at the same time, let a bunch of reds be completely inactive.
And on top of that because reds are posting stupid shit and cluttering shit up, any real discussion is being hidden up and anyone that might have contributed is now holding back because simple put; there is no reason to post anything because it will just be ignored.
ALSO, because of the depressing atmosphere, town members also posting like shit. Thus... we are fucked...
you realize you are the worst culprit of what you are accusing people of, right?
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On October 17 2010 10:17 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Yeah, I'm getting pretty lost in the discussions. I read a few pages of posts and most of it is some sort of secret codes, spamming, or some sort of meaningless post. This is my first game and I'm wondering if all are like this.
There's always going to be dumbasses that spam the thread. You have to learn how to skim it. Best thing is just to ignore it and look for connections. Voting history will be important now with 2 days worth of it.
I would say out of the 100 pages of discussion we've had, probably 20 pages of it are important :/ That's normal for mafia games.
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The person above me in the list is chesshaha.
He's only posted once in the thread, to tell aztrorisk he's playing a dangerous game, and voted for glurio at the beginning of the day.
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I like how when people get suspected for not posting they suddenly show up. Thegilaboy first, now yummyblabla
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The meowing is the clue, not the claws.
A mad scientist breadcrumbed in the thread. I'm not going to point it out though in case the scum didn't see it. I hope this post doesn't get him killed.
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Glurio, I suspect you of being a mafia, do you have a respond to this?
I also think your lurking is very suspicious
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On October 17 2010 12:56 glurio wrote:
Yes, I'm not mafia.
it's like magic
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you should reveal it now, it's too late to change
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looks like pandain got hit by two people. So some overlap in kills.
so with that, I think there is still some fishy stuff going on with the KP. It also doesn't look like anyone got poisoned from night 1 but I'm not sure if it would tell us they died by poisoning.
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craft? Check this out. Why would you say craft? Why not crafty? Why deliberately leave the y out of it?
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I went through everyone's profile looking for something to link two people and also for red glows.
For duo's, deconduo's name has duo in it :/ Node has one small and one larger person in his profile (calvin and hobbes), and Iankill's picture has a monkey on top of a larger monkey. I'm leaning more to Iankill if the two people were the clue.
For red glow, only thing I saw was glurio's profile, with charmander in it.
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I think grim reapers come up as mafia/vamp if they kill. I seriously doubt that jodo would keep it in his pants.
Or pandain could've just been speaking out of his ass anyways. Who knows.
Just remember, there's more to a DT check then just checking them. We also have millers in the game (graverobbers/creepy guys)
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On October 18 2010 05:57 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 04:02 Glasse wrote:
Real quick, when i watched pandain last night it said that he left and never came back. this makes no sense why would he leave if he was a straight up green? he has no night power to leave with and he is not mafia/vampire to go out and kill someone with?
I thought the same thing. I checked with DrH though and it's legit.
There's also no role that can slip by a boogeyman.
So either Pandain was poisoned on night 1 or glasse is lying. It's the only explanations as to how pandain could have died.
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On October 18 2010 07:34 zerroth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 06:58 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 18 2010 05:57 annul wrote:On October 18 2010 04:02 Glasse wrote:
Real quick, when i watched pandain last night it said that he left and never came back. this makes no sense why would he leave if he was a straight up green? he has no night power to leave with and he is not mafia/vampire to go out and kill someone with? I thought the same thing. I checked with DrH though and it's legit. There's also no role that can slip by a boogeyman. So either Pandain was poisoned on night 1 or glasse is lying. It's the only explanations as to how pandain could have died. doesnt that mean that he left and died? Because he left at night and died at night to make the story make sense. If he didn't leave at night, he would have then supposed to die in his bed.
Yep it's a flavor thing. If boogeymen watch someone that dies, then he will leave his house and never return. Even if he has no action that takes him outside the house, everyone that dies will always leave their house when they die.
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Sorry that I haven't been posting. Been busy at work and I watched the day 1 GSL games last night.
I orignally thought that glurio would flip mafia, but after looking at his defense of masq, it's much clearer to be vampire. We still need to drop the vampire count down by 1.
I also don't see really any defense of glurio, which makes me a little suspect, but I think that any scum on his side would be in full bussing mode, especially since glurio hasn't spoken up at all.
My vote goes to him.
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so 23 town players and 17 mafia left.
Honestly I think we'd have a better chance of lynching mafia if we just flip a coin
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with half the game being scum right now, I would bet money that the people asking to be the leader of the town are scum
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On October 20 2010 14:34 annul wrote:
okay
the blue we checked was node. node has confirmed that what the DT saw was, in fact, correct. he is now a part of our town circle.
he doesn't want to reveal exactly what flavor of blue he is.
node should post soon confirming what i am saying here.
we need (at least~) one more blue to be checked. PM me please.
Why in the hell would you reveal to the entire town the name of a blue?
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On October 20 2010 14:44 Node wrote:
I'm posting now to vouch for annul. He is the real thing and his DT is the real thing. I don't know if there's much more I can say other than that.
Clearly, at this point the town could use some organization. We can win this thing and have what we need to come out ahead. There are a bunch of suspicious people around, and I feel with a bit of thought we can lynch a guaranteed red at the end of the day. Both the mafia and the vampires are down to 2 KP. It's time to take control.
Trust annul. The town needs something to tie us together.
How the hell are you ok with being outted as a blue?
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you don't think scum would like to kill players who are actively trying to kill them?
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You guys seriously blow my mind. I don't know how to even respond to this insanity.
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Just did some analysis on every flipped scum:
VAMPS:
bumatlarge - Voted for Veldril, then switched to maq. Died night 1
Attacked: No one Defended: No one
masq - Voted for Veldril, died day 1
Attacked: No one Defended: Veldril
youngminii: Voted for jodogohoo, then switched to veldril. Died night 1
Attacked: Aztro Defended: No one CONCLUSION: Aztro is likely not vamp
kingjames01 - voted veldril day 1, veldril day 2, jcarlsoniv day 3. Died night 3
Attacked: Bill Murray Defended: no one CONCLUSION: jcarlsoniv is likely not vamp
thegilaboy - voted veldril day 1, veldril day 2, artanis day 3. Died night 3
Attacked: No one Defended: no one
MAFIA:
NB - voted Seraph then switched to Veldril day 1. Died night 1
Attacked: jodogohoo and was suspicious of a bunch of already dead people
Defended: Maybe heavonearth...it was kind of indirect
BrownBear - subbed in day 2, voted for veldril day 2. Died night 2
Attacked: All lurkers and pandain Defended: no one
CONCLUSION: this is something that's been getting to me, but no mafia has been modkilled. Therefore I don't think the lurkers are more likely to be scum, and his attack of lurkers helps fortify this...at least they're not mafia anyways
Lexpar - Voted Veldril day 1, veldril day 2, veldril day 3. Died night 3
Attacked: Bill murray Defended: no one
Conclusion: He did not give a reason for his vote on heavonearth. It's likely he was just going with the clue. This makes heavonearth very unlikely to be mafia
Artanis - day 2 voted veldril, day 3 voted glurio. Died night 3
Atacked: Cubedln, Nemesis came to Cube's defense as well and Artanis had an exchange of words with him.
Defended: no one
Conclusion: Cube and Nemesis are very likely not mafia
SO, conclusions from this analysis:
kingjames and thegilaboy were both trying to get people off clue analysis. Kingjames even came out to say that we should arbitrarily go after anyone investigating clues. I think the choices we've been saying, especially with day 2 clues, are likely vamps. We should stick to our guns.
EVERY SINGLE FLIPPED VAMPIRE VOTED FOR VELDRIL ON DAY 1...I Will do vote analysis in my next post. I think every vamp in the game voted for veldril.
BrownBear posted a few times on how lurkers are where we should be looking for scum. This makes me much more inclined to believe the active posters are the ones we should look at for mafia, not the lurkers.
thegilaboy posted publicly that he doubts there are any more vampire brutes (LOL WIFOM)
in my opinion, jcarlsoniv and aztrorisk are 99% not vampires. Heavonearth, nemesis, and Cubeldin are 99% not mafia.
Vote analysis next up
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The only lynch analysis I'm gonna look at is for Veldril day 1. Bandwagons onto townies really doesn't tell us much.
Veldril - 16 - Lucktar, YummyBlaBla, kenpachi, annul, youngminii, southrawrea, Masq, grandmoose, HeavOnEarth, oddo123, thegilaboy, kingjames01, Lexpar, MetalFace, Bill Murray, NB
Also bumatlarge changed his vote last minute. Jaminz also changed his vote off Veldril to bill murray, jcarlsoniv changed his vote to masq
Lucktar, YummyBlaBla, youngminii, masq, thegilaboy, kingjames01, lexpar, bill murray, and NB are all dead, that leaves us:
kenpachi, annul, southrawrea, grandmoose, heavonearth, oddo123, metalface, jcarlsoniv, and jaminz
if my counting skill are correct, there are 6 vampires left.
At one point, masq and veldril were neck and neck. I guarantee every vampire was on veldril day 1 to defend their scum buddy. No one switched until it was obvious that masq pulled ahead, which is when bumatlarge changed, jaminz changed. jcarlsoniv changed earlier in the thread...plus I Don't think jcarlsoniv is vamp because of kingjames' vote.
If any of these players have been subbed for I'm not sure because I can't find it in the thread.
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currently mafia is ahead 7 to 6. I'd kinda want to just leave the mafia to kill these players and try to lynch mafia, but they've been doing a much better job of not being transparent...I'm inclined to follow the hittegod lead, especially since a lot of players have been coming to his defense.
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On October 21 2010 17:08 Hittegods wrote:
Alright, seems like the old bandwagon is about to take another toll on the townies, me =(. I thought we had learned something and were supposed to go after shady behavior as much, or more, as for clues. Especially since that strategy we've been using is really easy for scum to handle, wait for someone to be pointed out and the just quietly bandwagon, no need to ever post and make yourself look suspicious.
I suspect you more that people have to come to your clue defense than really the clue itself.
And if we've learned anything, its that clue lynching is a lot better than analysis...artanis was scum, brownbear was scum, masq was scum, kingjames was scum.
Yes we learned something. Obvious clues are awesome
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annul, cube, and spydr are the ones who have defended hittegods clue analysis, although annul has changed his vote to pm land I guess.
It's more defense than I've seen in other cases...also haven't heard an alternative from hittegod yet.
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I think spydr's is the most suspicious defense of him honestly. Very likely scum if hittegods is
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although not really sure why hittegods would be the vampire lord. He hasn't been especially active or anything. I would think Node would be a better candidate out of the two people that who've blue claimed to you. He's much more noticable.
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Just remember that an active vampire is much more likely to be the vampire lord. They're not exactly going to vote in a lurker.
NB was active day 1 and he's the one who got elected on the mafia side. Hittegod being a vampire lord is unlikely, but being scum I agree on. Don't vote him because you think he's a vampire lord, but because you think he's scum.
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metalface, kenpachi, and grandmoose I'm pretty certain are vamps from my analysis.
As for mafia, that's a bit tougher. I think hittegods is scum and I'm liking the obvious clue on him. I think the lurkers are more indicative of townies than scum, and that he scum are more active than people think because of Brownbears posting. I need to look at who defended Artanis' clue analysis and went after glurio instead...I think that's the biggest clue to who is mafia right now
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also I'd rather vote a mafia today, and leave the mafia to kill the vamps. That's why I'm not voting for anyone I think is a vamp
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defending veldril isn't indicative of anything. He flipped town.
Clue analysis is vague at best. There really isn't a reason to defend someone for clues. The only time I've seen anyone do it is people that keep flipping scum.
Go ahead and go through every flipped scum's posts. It took me two hours. They defend their scum buddies clues. There's really no reason to do this if you are a townie, unless you are arguing that something else is a clue.
Saying a clue isn't a clue because it's obvious is suspicious at worst, scum defending at best.
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On October 21 2010 18:53 annul wrote:
so then you actually want to kill hittegods, KK?
I think the clue points straight to him. I voted for him. so yes you could I guess infer that I want to lynch him.
I just don't think he's the vamp lord
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On October 21 2010 18:55 spydR wrote:
Have you seen the 2 Town lynches from bandwagoning or have you had your eyes closed? You've seen the voting thread already, and it's looking like Hittegods is the next on the line-up
I never said the clue wasn't a clue because it's obvious. I said the clue matched - however there was a significant part of that clue that doesn't. Don't twist my words.
"the tall figure laughed maniacally as Qatols head crumbled into dust." - Day 1
"his killer laughing maniacally as he bashed kingjames' skull to pieces with the bat." - Day 4
Guess it's time to hop on the bandwagon though, because thanks to this, there's zero discussion about anyone else
my apologies, it was annul that was saying it was too obvious it was a clue. I reread and got you guys mixed up.
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I looked through Hittegods post history and found this:
On October 18 2010 02:04 Hittegods wrote:
The clues against Artanis did indeed seem rock solid, until the fact that he wasn't in the game on day one was accounted for. I was looking through profiles for clues relating to the neat 8s, but only found one profiles containing numbers, which were repeated seven times and not dividable by 8, so no luck there.
So although later he switched to artanis, he also started posting a shit ton on glurio and possible clue posts for him. He helped glurio's lynch while staying on artanis.
It's not rock solid, but his defense of "I Went after a mafia and a vamp" is not as true as he makes it seem
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I think hittegods is more likely flip mafia than vamp imo
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ha now that I think about it node might not be the vamp lord if activity was a factor. He wasn't around for day 1 like me
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I just realized that the lynch of glurio was so close to artanis...I thought it was just one big bandwagon of glurio.
I 100% guarantee that anyone on artanis' votecount is NOT mafia. That would not make sense at all.
I'm unvoting hittegods. I don't think he's vamp or mafia. He attacked a vamp pretty hard and he voted for artanis in a really close vote.
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At this point, I'm pretty sure MetalFace, kenpachi, and grandmoose are all vampires, based on the day 1 veldril lynching and their posting. I want to lynch a mafia but I haven't seen any mafia tells. I thought clue analysis and defending would be the clencher but it's not as bad as I first thought. I guess that's what I get from reading the same posts multiple times :/
I'm going to vote for Metalface. It's mostly gut on which of the three I want to pick, but I'm feeling good about this.
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I'll switch if there's enough support for kenpachi over metalface. I think all 3 of them should die :/
I just wanted to switch before bed. I'll check in the morning before work when there's 5 hours left before the end of the day
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admitting to blatant bandwagoning isn't helping you.
I don't want to lynch hittegods now, and since people are still adament for some reason, I'm gonna switch to kenpachi
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The reason why you shouldn't be voting for hittegods
He's not a vampire:
kingjames wasn't under suspicion. People here and there would mention the daggers thing, but no one was going after him. Hittegods ignored the daggers and said kingjames linked up with the scholar part of a kill...There's no reason to be casting suspicion on a vampire buddy.
Hittegods did not vote for Veldril day 1, when 1 person could swing the vote to veldril or masq.
Could he still be a vampire? This isn't concrete proof, but this favors him NOT being a vampire by a shitload.
He's not a mafia:
Yesterday glurio was lynched day 3 by TWO votes. Artanis almost got lynched. He is mafia. Any mafia on his lynch would be SUICIDE. I highly doubt that there were any mafia on his lynch AT ALL.
So in my opinion don't vote for hittegods
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On October 22 2010 06:52 Hyperbola wrote:
Also odds are that Kenpachi is a vampire. We need to kill a Mafioso to regain balance. This is the only way town can win because if the Mafia gets the upper hand it's GG for us.
The clue can easily be denied. What if baseball is a red herring? What if it was something much more vague for the clue?
There's no mad scientist here claiming that the baseball bat is the clue. Its just what you think.
voting analysis and post analysis is always greater than clue analysis
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On October 22 2010 07:26 zerroth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 06:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
He's not a vampire:
Hittegods did not vote for Veldril day 1, when 1 person could swing the vote to veldril or masq.
So in my opinion don't vote for hittegods Hittegods voted for Masq at 2000h that day for voting. At that time, there was way too many votes against Masq to even make a difference. Hittegods and other vamps may have been like Masq is a gonner. No point in wasting time. Vote off a fellow vamp and lessen suspicion
His vote was number 19. At the height of veldril's popularity, he had 18 votes. He still voted him at a time when veldril could've easily been swung in.
If he is a bussing genius, he hasn't bussed any of the flipped vampires either. I doubt it was done for bussing purposes.
Of all the flipped mafia, not a single one of them has bussed each other, except for bumatlarge who switched vote late day 1 from veldril to masq
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Here's a vote count for everyone as of 9:15 KST, 3 hours 45 minutes to lynch
kenpachi(8): annul, CubEdln, airbladeorange, spydr, aeres, KhrisKruel, Iankill, DivineK
MetalFace(5): Nemesis, KhrisKruel, oddo123, jcarlsoniv, Node, Kenpachi
Hittegods(3): Zerroth, Heavonearth, kenpachi, KhrisKruel, spydr, Hyperbola
HeavONearth(3): deconduo, Yogy, Glasse
KhrisKruel(1): Flicky
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please read the last two pages kenpachi
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just to let you know kenpachi, I'm not voting you because of clues :/
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you know, kenpachi, for someone that doesn't read the thread, doesn't have time for this game, and doesn't really care, you sure care alot about being lynched
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On October 22 2010 10:30 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 07:01 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 22 2010 06:52 Hyperbola wrote:
Also odds are that Kenpachi is a vampire. We need to kill a Mafioso to regain balance. This is the only way town can win because if the Mafia gets the upper hand it's GG for us. The clue can easily be denied. What if baseball is a red herring? What if it was something much more vague for the clue? There's no mad scientist here claiming that the baseball bat is the clue. Its just what you think. voting analysis and post analysis is always greater than clue analysis Not only the baseball bat but also the two people in his profile pic that relate to Pandain's kill when two dudes gang raped him. further more Clues >>> voting analysis imo And like I said he voted for Artanis when the odds were heavily against him and probably didn't switch to glurio to not attract suspicion for a sudden switch to save Artanis. And it wasn't even necessary for him to do so because glurio was in the lead by two.
Pandain's killer was the poisoner. Glasses didn't see anyone at Pandain's the night he died, and the only explanation is poison. The poisoner has flipped already, so that clue is not Hittegods.
All it would take is one person switch off of glurio to kill Artanis. I guarantee there was no mafia on artanis. Two of the mafia already flipped on two diff people
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question is, why does kenpachi care? He's publicly stated multiple times he hasn't cared at all until all of a sudden people want to lynch him.
For someone that doesn't care about the game, can't be bothered to post, bandwagons to avoid modkills, caring about getting lynched is very suspicious to me.
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although for the record I'd be happy if metalface died too fyi
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On October 22 2010 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:22 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 22 2010 10:30 Hyperbola wrote:On October 22 2010 07:01 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 22 2010 06:52 Hyperbola wrote:
Also odds are that Kenpachi is a vampire. We need to kill a Mafioso to regain balance. This is the only way town can win because if the Mafia gets the upper hand it's GG for us. The clue can easily be denied. What if baseball is a red herring? What if it was something much more vague for the clue? There's no mad scientist here claiming that the baseball bat is the clue. Its just what you think. voting analysis and post analysis is always greater than clue analysis Not only the baseball bat but also the two people in his profile pic that relate to Pandain's kill when two dudes gang raped him. further more Clues >>> voting analysis imo And like I said he voted for Artanis when the odds were heavily against him and probably didn't switch to glurio to not attract suspicion for a sudden switch to save Artanis. And it wasn't even necessary for him to do so because glurio was in the lead by two. Pandain's killer was the poisoner. Glasses didn't see anyone at Pandain's the night he died, and the only explanation is poison. The poisoner has flipped already, so that clue is not Hittegods. All it would take is one person switch off of glurio to kill Artanis. I guarantee there was no mafia on artanis. Two of the mafia already flipped on two diff people The wording of boogeyman PM's is completely irrelevant. Poison does not leave clues.
I don't understand. A person has to cardflip. Are you saying if they were poisoned, then the flavor of their death would be like a modkill?
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On October 22 2010 11:37 CubEdIn wrote:
Yeah I thought about that as well, but the thing is, my whole "hatred" stands towards the silent people. The ones who don't post but vote. This is not a silent game, or at least it shouldn't be.
I voted for kenpachi, a little current started towards him and all of a sudden he wakes up from a 1-week slumber. There we go. There are still a lot more who deserve to die but unfortunately we can't double lynch. If we could, I'd go for clues+lurker, but since we can't, I'd rather go for clues, and MetalFace has a lot pointing at him.
I seriously doubt that after 4 days of play a lurker is suddenly going to start posting. What's to say he just goes right back to doing what he's been doing all game? Are we gonna wait for a day during day 5 then be like "well that was his last warning, everyone vote for him."
No, cause we're gonna find other people to lynch. Kenpachi will be forgotten again. He only shows up to the thread whenever someone says his name.
Think about that. Whenever someone says his name. He's lying about not paying attention. He's actively lurking. This won't change, it's a way for scum to avoid detection.
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If orgolove died from poison, that means Glasse is 100% lying.
I guess I know who I'm voting for day 5
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huzzah.
3 more reds to analyze :D
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I just did a recount of votes.
Kenpachi was at 12, MetalFace was at 8.
Solution: Kenpachi edited his post, he should be cardflipped as well since MetalFace has already cardflipped, since MetalFace was the number 2 vote
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I'm not happy with this game right now. I'll see you guys in day 5
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I'd like to repost this for the mafia:
Veldril - 16 - Lucktar, YummyBlaBla, kenpachi, annul, youngminii, southrawrea, Masq, grandmoose, HeavOnEarth, oddo123, thegilaboy, kingjames01, Lexpar, MetalFace, Bill Murray, NB
Taking out all the dead people, that leaves:
kenpachi, annul, southrawrea, grandmoose, heavonearth, oddo123, metalface, jcarlsoniv, and jaminz
metalface is dead, which is another vampire...oh gee. I do believe that all 6 cardflipped vampires were on Vendril's original list.
Guarantee there's more on that list :/ Kenpachi is almost certainly another one. Gut would say oddo, jaminz, and grandmoose are also vamps, but kenpachi I'm the most certain about.
As for those who are mafia, I'd start with the artanis vote list. I seriously doubt those players are mafia...Neos voted Artanis at first, but switched when he started to gain heat. Maybe the Vamps could look at it that way?
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On October 23 2010 05:39 Kenpachi wrote:
alright so im sure you guys can remove me from the suspected Mafia list because look even Neos the Mafia skeleton voted for me. No one has given me any reason why they suspect me except for inactivity/bandwagoning Veldril and the misleading Day 1 clue. i already disproved the Day 1 clue cause its a silent gunshot and ninjas dont use guns :S
I wanna defend myself clearly so people dont start bandwagoning on me
The mafia voting you doesn't mean anything, I was saying you were a vampire from the start. And still do
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kenpachi, you should do more scum hunting and less clue defending. You can't defend clues. It's what people want to see. If people want to tie a clue to you they can make up whatever they want.
Who do you find suspicious, who are vamps, who are mafia. Why are they suspicious.
If you don't want toget lynched you're going tohave to contribute to the game
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I see no reason to think kenpachi isn't scum.
1) he's on the day 1 vendril wagon, in which every single flipped vampire has flipped so far
2) he has agreed that he's blatantly bandwagoned, has mentioned he didn't care about this thread, and only votes to not get modkilled....then freaks out when we want to lynch him, proving that he DOES care, and that he is paying attention. Therefore he's lying. Lynch all liars.
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I'm not voting kitaman or heavonearth. You guys are voting him because of dumb clue analysis.
kenpachi is scummy as shit, HE BANDWAGONS AGAIN, he hasn't contribued jackshit to this discussion, and you're letting him live again.
I refuse to vote for people that the only thing you have on them is clues
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On October 25 2010 06:20 annul wrote:
ok so when one of them flips red, you are a red, ok? thats what that logic tells me
So because I'm voting for who I think is scum, I'm red if someone else flips scum?
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yeah like it also found hittegods, yummyblabla, Lucktar, shmotz, glurio, and kyplosis.
All those townies were found suspicious just because of clues, and all were wrong.
Clue analysis is hit and miss. It's day 5. The fact that town stil doesn't care about post analysis and clue analysis is either because a) You guys are fucking stupid or b) the active posters are scum and using bullshit reasons to vote for people.
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actually glurio was found suspicious because of other things, but point stands
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apparently there are more kenpachi votes than i thought. I love you guys
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