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On October 12 2010 16:01 jodogohoo wrote:
neos, yogy have voted for a lynch on masq
kenpachi, grandmoose have voted for a lynch on veldril
very suspicious in my opinion. i feel like they are newbie reds told to keep low by some more experienced reds but also told to vote for specific people early on as to not have to vote near the end, which is also suspicious. and they also voted for the people who may be on the opposing red fraction... or something @_@ not entirely sure if my deductions are clear, but the idea is there, hopefully someone will be able to take what i said and state it in a more concise statement
so perhaps if we switch the lynch targets to one of those 4 we might get some very interesting results
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On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote:
Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote:Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night  ). On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote:
Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray. This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote:
Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that? type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? my logic is more like this: you said "as mafia, i would defend someone" you said so AFTER defending someone therefore, it is possible you are mafia with them the fact you are squirming and attacking my logic, while calling me an experienced player claiming I have a hidden agenda (which I don't and it's a fucking straight out lie), is making me really really want you to be lynched. You are pretty good for a newbie. Your logic is better than mine. My logic sucks. I don't give a fuck if my logic sucks, though, you have made many fucking mistakes. You are mafia. You are either mafia or a vampire, and I'm going to get you lynched. Sorry. Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:28 deconduo wrote:On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 Twice actually, and I will be picking up a bit if I can. Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote:
It seems most people are out for my blood now.
I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red".
Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night.
However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green.
chiming in after being suspected of being inactive / lurking
posting what appears to be helpful information, but in reality i suspect the reds are sacrificing veldril while getting their members to accuse him at the same time, so that when we find out veldril is a red, people will think his accusers are innocent. which they aren't!
On October 12 2010 20:40 Coagulation wrote:
in regards to the creeper and gravedigger roles.. are people aware that they are this role or do they just think they are zombies?
just pm the mods instead of cluttering
also here is a an updated list and point in order from lowest to highest amount of posts
CKSide 0
Therick 0
TheMunkey 0
Kuja900 0
Lexpar 0
AirbladeOrange 0
kenpachi 0
kingjames01 0
Neos 0
goldfishs 0
Zeraghul 0
chesshaha 0
KhrisKruel 0
l0st_romantic 0
grandmoose 0
Iankill 0
Yogy 0
Node 0
mptj 0
grandmoose 1
HeavOnEarth 1
LastArgument 1
SiNiquity 1
Hyperbola 1
MetalFace 1
Hittegods 1
Kpyolysis32 1
Flicky 2
ShmotZ 2
bumatlarge 3
~OpZ~ 3
Lucktar 3
Masq 4
d3_crescentia 4
zerroth 4
kitaman27 5
Glasse 6
southrawrea 7
Aeres 7
KtheZ 7
oddo123 7
YummyBlaBla 9
Nemesis 9
deconduo 10
jaminz 11
quickstriker 14
Veldril 17
pandain 18
annul 18
LSB 19
thegilaboy 20
CubEdIn 22
seRaPh 27
NB 30
coagulation 38
jodogohoo 41
youngminii 40
jcarlsoniv 43
aztrorisk 51
Bill Murray 56
orgolove 68
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town is sooo fucked lol either we have town playing fucking for the other team, or the mafia i just rofl stomping us in the face. since my post shit has actually GONE WORSE... jesus christ
On October 12 2010 15:50 jodogohoo wrote:
i was actually going to recommend someone do a post count check =) so kudos to you lol
but right now we need to stop screwing around =(
if your a townie and your spamming like a retard "cough cough" you need to stop, not only are cluttering up the thread prevent discussion, people who want to help will probably be intimidated by the huge amount of posts and refrain from analysis..
we also need to get back on track with the clues and posting pattern. we have some suspects but we should question some more people and actually have them reply back. right now there is so much shit going on people can just dodge questions
so simply put, if you are a townie, stop fucking posting garbage, your are detrimental to the team.
On October 12 2010 16:08 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 16:01 jodogohoo wrote:
neos, yogy have voted for a lynch on masq
kenpachi, grandmoose have voted for a lynch on veldril
very suspicious in my opinion. i feel like they are newbie reds told to keep low by some more experienced reds but also told to vote for specific people early on as to not have to vote near the end, which is also suspicious. and they also voted for the people who may be on the opposing red fraction... or something @_@ not entirely sure if my deductions are clear, but the idea is there, hopefully someone will be able to take what i said and state it in a more concise statement so perhaps if we switch the lynch targets to one of those 4 we might get some very interesting results
there are either some really fucking stupid townies that need to grow the fuck up, or we have some reds clearly fucking with us. Either way we need to kill these idiots whether or not they are town or red
examples would be BILL MURRAY, PANDAIN, ect... Glasse, idk.. just fucking everyone at this point
what does this all mean? the town is fucked in the ass so hard right now, we need bill murray dead regardless of his role
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On October 13 2010 13:33 Lexpar wrote:
Bill Murray begging for ghost protection dosen't inspire any sort of trust in you or what you say. Even to a player ignorant of your sensationalism and numerous contradictions your begging is pathetic.
romania?
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scapegoat as in his mafia friends sacrificed him*
which i stand by, cause right now all he is doing is TRYING to cause disorder, but its so obvious its entertaining =]
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coagulation should die no matter what his role is. his posting in detrimental to the town.
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On October 16 2010 09:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 09:04 Divinek wrote:
like are all of you so naive to think someone would openly protect a member of their own faction so blatantly?
it's TERRIBLE reasoning that almost never leads to a correct lynch. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and lynch a mafia but the odds of veldril being vampire are sooo slim just based on how he acted about masq and the general consensus of everyone wagoning him so easily.
it's impossible for me to fingering anyone because you're all sheeping on this without looking at the grand scheme of things and instead trying LOOK for ways to paint him red -_-
Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence. Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting. And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day. And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop
by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq add to the fact that like 75% of this game are new players, so of course they could be prone to mistakes. What, do you think vampires would just let their bretheren fall without any attempt of saving them?
lol if the town doesn't lynch you, one of the reds is going to kill you, your so damn obvious it's funny =)
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don't worry man... i feel the same way in regards to the game =\ but im sure it will pick up soon enough once enough people are dead =)
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On October 16 2010 09:44 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 09:40 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 16 2010 09:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched edit by way of post. I mean who you suspected from 30 pages ago. Not alot has changed since then. I stated this like 30 pages ago that I feel uneasy to that spreadsheet guy who always post with his spreadsheet and give information/evidence on others. It's just a feeling I have but in my opinion (assuming he didn't change thru the 30 pages), he's being way overly active to be just a townie and the fact that he's doing too much work makes me feel that he's doing it so no one can be suspicious of him ever.... But I could be wrong and he can really have so much free time like crazy and with REALLY good intention that most of us lazy folks won't do. Making a database of clues, posts, and everything instead of using that in real life professional jobs to earn 40k a year.
haha, as soon as he stops being helpful we can point all the fingers we at him, but as long as he is "actually helping" then it doesn't matter what team he's on, when the game nears it's end, if hes red hes not going to be posting anything helpful for the town.
also i think we need to look at the clues, not how relevant it is, but we could use some clue discussion...
also as a bonus, we know veldril deserves to die, but who else is bad? the red's are entire teams, not just individuals, we need more than just one person, we should tie suspicious people together and what not.
also post history analysis is really good, i saw it in a past mafia game and it was like having maphacks
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On October 16 2010 09:58 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 09:20 Pandain wrote:On October 16 2010 09:04 Divinek wrote:
like are all of you so naive to think someone would openly protect a member of their own faction so blatantly?
it's TERRIBLE reasoning that almost never leads to a correct lynch. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and lynch a mafia but the odds of veldril being vampire are sooo slim just based on how he acted about masq and the general consensus of everyone wagoning him so easily.
it's impossible for me to fingering anyone because you're all sheeping on this without looking at the grand scheme of things and instead trying LOOK for ways to paint him red -_-
On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence. Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting. And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day. And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop
by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq add to the fact that like 75% of this game are new players, so of course they could be prone to mistakes. What, do you think vampires would just let their bretheren fall without any attempt of saving them? If you're playing scum properly, then yes, actually, this is a standard scum tactic (also known as bussing, or throwing someone under a bus). The fact that Veldril is new, and defended someone he logically shouldn't care for, makes it far more likely he made a newbie mistake than any other explanation.
too bad instead of politely declining to post meaningless squabble. He decided to clutter the thread and in general post garbage. If he was town, he wouldn't have done what he's done.
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On October 16 2010 10:09 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 09:51 jodogohoo wrote:On October 16 2010 09:44 QuickStriker wrote:On October 16 2010 09:40 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 16 2010 09:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched edit by way of post. I mean who you suspected from 30 pages ago. Not alot has changed since then. I stated this like 30 pages ago that I feel uneasy to that spreadsheet guy who always post with his spreadsheet and give information/evidence on others. It's just a feeling I have but in my opinion (assuming he didn't change thru the 30 pages), he's being way overly active to be just a townie and the fact that he's doing too much work makes me feel that he's doing it so no one can be suspicious of him ever.... But I could be wrong and he can really have so much free time like crazy and with REALLY good intention that most of us lazy folks won't do. Making a database of clues, posts, and everything instead of using that in real life professional jobs to earn 40k a year. haha, as soon as he stops being helpful we can point all the fingers we at him, but as long as he is "actually helping" then it doesn't matter what team he's on, when the game nears it's end, if hes red hes not going to be posting anything helpful for the town. also i think we need to look at the clues, not how relevant it is, but we could use some clue discussion... also as a bonus, we know veldril deserves to die, but who else is bad? the red's are entire teams, not just individuals, we need more than just one person, we should tie suspicious people together and what not. also post history analysis is really good, i saw it in a past mafia game and it was like having maphacks In case you didn't notice. I stopped doing that shit after I got the 10th PM harassing me about it.
lol then until a clue points us that your a blood thirsty killer, i'll have tea with you anyday =)
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On October 16 2010 10:33 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 10:16 jodogohoo wrote:On October 16 2010 10:09 orgolove wrote:On October 16 2010 09:51 jodogohoo wrote:On October 16 2010 09:44 QuickStriker wrote:On October 16 2010 09:40 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 16 2010 09:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched edit by way of post. I mean who you suspected from 30 pages ago. Not alot has changed since then. I stated this like 30 pages ago that I feel uneasy to that spreadsheet guy who always post with his spreadsheet and give information/evidence on others. It's just a feeling I have but in my opinion (assuming he didn't change thru the 30 pages), he's being way overly active to be just a townie and the fact that he's doing too much work makes me feel that he's doing it so no one can be suspicious of him ever.... But I could be wrong and he can really have so much free time like crazy and with REALLY good intention that most of us lazy folks won't do. Making a database of clues, posts, and everything instead of using that in real life professional jobs to earn 40k a year. haha, as soon as he stops being helpful we can point all the fingers we at him, but as long as he is "actually helping" then it doesn't matter what team he's on, when the game nears it's end, if hes red hes not going to be posting anything helpful for the town. also i think we need to look at the clues, not how relevant it is, but we could use some clue discussion... also as a bonus, we know veldril deserves to die, but who else is bad? the red's are entire teams, not just individuals, we need more than just one person, we should tie suspicious people together and what not. also post history analysis is really good, i saw it in a past mafia game and it was like having maphacks In case you didn't notice. I stopped doing that shit after I got the 10th PM harassing me about it. lol then until a clue points us that your a blood thirsty killer, i'll have tea with you anyday =) im 99% sure your a red.
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On October 16 2010 12:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Please don't post like this.
alright =(
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win for me =) good to see him dead regardless of his role
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On October 17 2010 05:49 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 05:14 Coagulation wrote:On October 17 2010 04:23 Lexpar wrote:
Wait what? I THINK DRH IS A RED OH SHIT THIS GAME JUST GOT BROKE WIDE OPEN.
FUCK BUT HE KNOWS ALL OUR ROLES, WHAT DO WE DO
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I still think kenpachi is red. Why? because he hasn't posted in FOREVER
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lol as far as im concerned, the towns is fucked. just look at the last couple pages, complete shit in terms of discussion.
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On October 17 2010 09:05 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 09:03 jodogohoo wrote:
lol as far as im concerned, the towns is fucked. just look at the last couple pages, complete shit in terms of discussion. This helps.
double irony
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As town, we have failed to set the atmosphere for this game. Instead of a cohesive unit analyzing clues and pointing out suspicious individuals, we pretty much just let a bunch of obvious reds post stupid shit, and also at the same time, let a bunch of reds be completely inactive.
And on top of that because reds are posting stupid shit and cluttering shit up, any real discussion is being hidden up and anyone that might have contributed is now holding back because simple put; there is no reason to post anything because it will just be ignored.
ALSO, because of the depressing atmosphere, town members also posting like shit. Thus... we are fucked...
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