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On September 09 2010 21:18 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 15:01 fIamewheel91 wrote:
Qatol we were supposed to hold that idea for the fucutre -__-
Edit: how the hell did I misspell future so bad?
Oh well. Ah, but I've been holding onto that one for over a year now (I thought of it around when the first Red Army Mafia happened). I've given up hope it will ever happen.
Why didn't you host it? It wouldn't of been hard. Although you might wanna...I dunno...rules for MH
1 bomb, must move it every night or something...otherwise scum might be super fucked.
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On October 04 2010 11:23 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 10:26 BrownBear wrote:
Incognito the Mighty Townie is now dead.
Qatol The Jailkeeper/Blue Operative is now dead.
BrownBear The Mayor/Blue Operative is now dead.
Artanis[xp] The Red Operative Leader is now dead.
Flamewheel The Green Cutie is now dead :3
Haha one person in the game is already dead.
Do what?
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On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote:
So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can:
-Randomly Pick
-Pick an Inactive
-Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does).
...Wow....obviously.... -______-
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On October 04 2010 22:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote:
Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job.
Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world.
Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway.
. No. No. AND No. Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2. The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure. Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you. Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem: Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote:
So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can:
-Randomly Pick
-Pick an Inactive
-Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______- Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess.
Hey hey hey, don't get all resentful on me. Lol. Come on. Those three ways are always deci---wait....lot of new people this game. My bad. I'll be more helpful then Oh. Hmm...Maybe I should add to the discussion more so next time. Personally....
Too all new players. Do not attach any kind of feelings to anyone trying to give you "good" direction. Distrust them. Even if they sound completely beneficial. Do not trust them. Do not trust me. Do not trust this post..
Ok, gonna look through some stuff. Gf might try and stop me, and gotta go smoke a cig with Champ.
On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos
Our goal is to mafia kill. We kill suspicious people. It's what we do. It's our....Thaaaaaang. Mafia better be better at sniping then town, that's all I gotta say on that.
On October 04 2010 22:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:Pandains post: + Show Spoiler +On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote:
Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose.
Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel.
DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to
1.People acting out of character
2.Lurking people
Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit
Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them.
Mad Hatter
This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia.
However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it.
Vigilante
The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone.
But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia.
But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things.
1. Lynch an inactive
2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e)
3.Lynch a suspicious person
In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia.
I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons
1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies)
2.Forces people to get talking
3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2)
Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least. Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out. I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from.
I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/
p.s. Typical Amber blunder?
On October 05 2010 00:10 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos chaos is the mafia way. It's far better to try and get something out of people by pressuring them and forcing them to talk than just going 'oh well we RNG'd a hit now no one needs to talk for the rest of the day'
Not to mention who's doing said "RNG"-ing. Amirite?
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On October 05 2010 06:16 Happy.fairytail wrote:
I actually don't think there's a difference whether we pick by random or inactive because:
a) Inactive doesn't necessarily mean non-blue. I've seen plenty of games where the DT was very quiet and seemingly inactive. He evaded all mafia suspicion and survived to the mid game and revealed himself. With himself and 3 innocent townsperson, he was able to establish a lasting majority against the mafia and win.
b) We have an equal chance of picking a village idiot whether we go random or inactive. It's not like we have special insight into the idiot's tactics that would give us an edge in determining one method or the other.
I think the two most important things are:
a) Communication. The upside far outweighs the downside, and I think we all agree here, no need to explain further.
b) We lynch someone every round. I'm going to prove this for another post statistically...
That DT blew chunks, and so did that mafia. Fuck that three innocent townspersons were dumb too.
Anyway, no. DT if you find a red bloke, I want you to build an argument for why he is mafia. Tell us what he is/is not doing that is/is not helping to town. I want you to lay into him. Be relentless. Don't pull no fucking punches. If his mama's a tramp, I want you to let us know. Shiaaaaaaat.
So ignore this kid's advice. It's weak sauce. -___-
Quiet people often get sniped by mafia toooooo. (Unless Radfield/Ace/L are playing)
Eh...Kinda got the Village idiot post. It was pretty smart thinking with Village Idiot/Mafia win....So we do gotta be careful, cuz if village idiot is down to last 3 "Hai I'm VI, lynch me!!" Mafia just have to wait for him to vote for himself. Lol.
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On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow.
Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM!
On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. Show nested quote +I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies.
K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_....
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On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote:
Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective?
And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day...
Discouraging hunting? And not bothering to come up with a fair RNG? Pick four to eight people have them RNG a number each 1 - 25, Average the number, Round up/down any decimal?
Found a way that's fair and almost arguably the most objective.
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I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder?
What if mafia slay you at night?
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On October 05 2010 20:38 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM! On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_.... How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since: 1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum. 2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives. I would highly suggest being careful about how you analyze for the rest of the game. You're in for a full-on assault from Opz now. Shitlisted!!! So half the town just isn't aware of the game going on right now? We need the other 12+ players to contribute...
Shh, He's new and sarcasm isn't funny when it's at my expense.
=(
Who are these better candidates Crisis? What have you added to the discussion? Advice to the DT? DT's probably away from the game.
And Cynan...Wherefore art thou? I quoted your only post besides your /in post....Come come now....Speaketh to the DT.
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On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote:Alright, It's panda time.
The Magical Bamboo: A panda's narrative in eastern China.The first thing Panda noticed was that people were changing the fabric of time and altering events which are very important for The Wise Panda Sage in order to analyze. The Wise Panda Sage detailed to his panda disciples in one very concise statement: "PANDAPANDAPANDAPANDA NO EDITING PANDAPANDAPANDAPANDA"Brown"Panda"Bear followed these teachings and told all of his fellow Starcraft 2 players that editing was not allowed. Said the BrownBear: Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote:
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned.Please do not edit; this is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
This Panda had learned in PandaHistory Class. But now, as he sat in the majesty that is The Ultimate Council, he saw another Panda, CynanMachae, being accused of working with the dreadful PandaPoachers. But Panda was hesitant, so he went to The Wise Panda Sage, who looked through time to see CynanMachae's previous history, and found them to be consistant with his current play. The Wise Panda Sage gave to Panda his analysis. 1.Cynan Machae's previous play is characterized as 3-4 sentence long posts every now and then, with a long post happening once or twice a game. While Panda noted this does not mean he's innocent, and indeed Panda was watching him closely, it does mean we should take this into context. Then Panda stopped speaking in Panda Tongue because its hard to write good analysis of people and/or subjects with analogies to concepts. So Panda beheaded the writer and lived happily ever after. End StoryAlright, so a couple of things one thing in particular that's been brought up which I shall now address. 1.While originally I was in support of DT claiming if he found red, I now believe we should not. With 5 mafia, DT's will be a very useful addition to regular scum hunting. In addition, if he does not claim but merely post up an analysis of that person and convince everyone he's mafia, then mafia don't even know that he is definitely DT. If said DT does get a mafia lynched, medics can/perhaps should protect him just in case. If you know someone's mafia while you haven't managed to convince people without saying "I'm DT and I checked him", then you should, as it will still mean we will be only one mafia away from lowering mafia (regular) kp to 1. So that's my input there. Who to Lynch Today:Alright, so not everyone has posted, meaning some are definitely going to get modkilled. That is not good. Here's the list of inactives in my eyes + Show Spoiler +1. JeeJee
2. bumatlarge
3. Bill Murray-excuse, but is it unexecused????!!! Dundundun!
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
15.infinitestory
16.cSc. Still needs to post content.
20.drag_- seems confused =D. Its alright, at first I thought mafia was a UMS BW custom map. XD(I mean, I just kept hearing people say “Infested Terran and DT) 7 people have not posted(the bolded ones.) I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me. While I believe at least 3 of those inactives will eventually post, I am hesitant to lynch someone who will be modkilled. However, I can find no sufficient evidence as of now to suggest one of the active is mafia. So as of now we have a few possible people, so I will RNG between the inactives, and it is: Xelin.
Sorry guys, ended up being at work from 8 am til 8:15 last night. Get off at 12 I think today, so I should have time to fly through this, but I'm fine voting Xelin if he keeps not posting in games. I'm really getting annoyed by it. He's playing like me now
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On October 06 2010 09:18 Misder wrote:
I would vote Infund, but I've played with him mafia last game, and he does a lot more accusing and spam in that game. He's not acting like he was when he was mafia before; he may have changed his playstyle, but that's pretty unlikely.
Also, I would like to say that a lot of mafia members like to post a lot in the beginning, seemingly to help out, but they hide later in the day. (someone like ~Opz~, for example, I've got suspicions on him; I don't know if they are good feelings or bad feelings).
Not hiding. Had a 500 piece truck (493), that I had to run yesterday. Not counting my milk. And they thought I'd get that done in 7 hours? pshhh.
500/7
71 cases an hour? They can go fuck themselves.
I promise some better posting when I get back today, but you'll be a topic of it. =D
On October 06 2010 05:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm not really convinced that Cynanmachae might be mafia but since he has a tenuous connection to Pandain, at least we'd get some information from his lynching.
I'm actually a bit torn between voting for Cynanmachae or one of the completely inactive players such as JeeJee. I think I'm gonna wait on this a bit. We need to be careful not to jump into big accusations this early, nothing good ever comes of it.
We lynch mafia. Forget his connection with Pandain. Detective can check them for all I care.
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On October 06 2010 09:22 Misder wrote:
Actually, I’m just going to vote ~Opz~ right now instead of XeliN, just because of this tiny suspicion. I don’t know if I truly believe in that he is mafia, but I think he has a better chance at being mafia than XeliN.
Hmmm...
Post your reason for your suspicion a little better. Why is my behaviour suspicious? Because I'm usually afk Day one? I'm also usually not in games with a bunch of first time players. I know the activity habits of people during their first games is usually dismal, so I'm trying to be a little....how you say....encouraging to the new players to post?
Yes yes, Amber gets me, (even though we seem to be on two different sides of a coin this game taking shots at each other and shit lol)
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On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote:first off: @NukeTheBunnys, do you even read the thread? Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote:On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder?
What if mafia slay you at night?
=/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me  If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? Buddying. At least to me it is. Admittedly, Mafia buddy town all the time, but if Misder flips scum so will ~OpZ~. Therefore, I am considering voting Misder. To all the people hunting for the DT, posting about "strategy" in relation to lynches, and cluttering up the thread with speculation and policy: most of you will be the M words of mafia. I'm talking to you, Amber, Protactinium, Misder, Happy.Fairytaile, ~OpZ~, SouthRawrea, and Crisis_ Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2010 07:49 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of lynching, I strongly suggest against group voting, or in other words
Don't agree to bandwagon onto a random vote
Don't agree to use individual RNGs and votes
If we bandwagon onto a random vote, how can we know if the person voting is or isn't mafia?
If we use a RNG, how can we be sure Mafia isn't rigging the votes and using the RNG as an out?
Also, once again, I'm against voting an inactive so early on because
A. They could get modkilled. Do we want to waste a lynch?
B. Does it put pressure on them if they can't see the votes due to a busy schedule?
C. Inactives could be very helpful later on.
D. Mafia hardly ever hides in inactives.
Personally, I'll probably read through the voting thread later and see who votes what and let that influence my choice because I'm still new. xD Learning how a veteran votes could be helpful! This is a good point. I'm using JeeJee as a placeholder for now but we need to look for someone who has posted in the thread but said almost nothing and has avoided participating in real discussion. Usually inexperienced mafia players are afraid to get involved in discussion because they fear they will incriminate themselves so they just mindlessly agree with other players or say things that have already been said a million times. After re-reading the thread the two best fits for that profile seem to be NukeTheBunnys and Crisis_ I'm keeping JeeJee as a placeholder for now. I'd like to see a stronger case from Pandain for the lynching of Infund, most likely I will switch my vote to crisis or nukethebunnys. Furthermore, I like this post. It shows that DoctorH and I are on the same page. I am not sure as to his role, but I am pretty sure he is Town. Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 09:25 Protactinium wrote:On October 06 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote:On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote:On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me.
Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... I did pick up on that, but Pandain could just as easily be a Detective trying to defend someone, or a townie with a loud mouth. Why would a Detective defend on Day 1, especially since they can't start investigating till Night 2? Townie with loud mouth. Thoughts in a bit, busy now. Detectives typically defend people they find to be town. Combine that with his beating himself up over changing his vote to OpZ, your fishing for why I feel he's DT (when you know my actions are money as fuck), your DT fishing on your own earlier in the thread, and I present to you Bill Murray's first mafia catch of the game: Protactinium. Points: 1) as seen from the TL Mafia game I hosted, he is fitting in with his mafia meta. He makes huge "pro-town" posts as mafia. As town he is way more argumentative. I can provide the difference, but I would have to indicate who he is. 2) he is a fucking smurf who has another name on this site 3) He was fishing for the DT and "discussing" who the DT was, how to find him, and what he should do 4) He was curious as to how I knew Pandain was the DT when he knows I am a good player vote to lynch protactinium
and one more thing before I go, I'm sorry for the multi posts, but I'm upset I missed ALL DAY yesterday....
BM WHAT HAVE YOU DOOOOOOOOONE
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Waiting on night post and hoping for my death. Fucking protact lynch....-_______-
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On October 06 2010 06:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 06:26 drag_ wrote:On October 06 2010 06:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 06 2010 05:42 drag_ wrote:
It's a hard choice for me, because there's so many layers meaning (if unclear read the Old Man and the Sea) behind every post. However, you, Mr. Kingjames seem to be trying a little too hard in my eyes to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere. I'm a little more skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation. No, that's totally valid. However, I'm trying to play the game as best as I can with the little bit of information that has been revealed. Until I have more information, I think I will go with what I've got. Even if I'm wrong with what I'm saying, it invites a response so that we can learn more about what players are thinking, just like how it incited you to respond. What I DO find interesting, however, is that you have only posted once previous to this message. Then, with this post you claim that you apparently don't like it when people try a "little too hard ... to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere [and are] skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation." You came out of hiding just to point fingers and divert attention. Are you taking this game seriously enough to find a good reason to survive and win? If you are, then seriously consider what I have to say. If you can find a glaring logical error then say so. Don't insinuate with your slimy words just before the first vote and then disappear. This just furthers my point about you. You act as if my post was all part of your multiple phase plan, before completely changing the subject to you accusing me of lying in wait and singling you out with my 'slimy words'. Once again another clear shift of blame from yourself towards me and another accusative post. This is a strong point. I don't really understand why you're being so aggressive kingjames especially this early in the game when we don't really have anything solid pointing to anyone being red or not. Our big goal with this day 1 lynch is to gain information on player connections while avoiding lynching a blue. It's easy to overanalyze and assure yourself someone is mafia based on their posting this early but 99 times out of 100 it ends up NOT being the case.
This is a strong point that Drag_ Is most likely town too....I fear you DrH.
Drag_ going at him hard, maybe he's new and mafia, but still...too much attention?
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On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure.
on top of that you edited your post.
i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot.
Maybe I agree here.
Seems like an okay lynch candidate. I would be willing to get behind this for his sudden appearance. But BB may have pm'd him, so I'll have to check the timings.
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On October 07 2010 12:54 infinitestory wrote:
Here's hoping blues (DT(s) especially) sent in their night actions, so we can get something more concrete to work with soon.
Haha prepare to die.
-_____-
Fuck man have I even seen your name this game?
On October 06 2010 12:01 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure.
on top of that you edited your post.
i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot. *sigh* I do crack under pressure easily...
....Suck up?
On October 06 2010 12:09 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote:
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them? I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds. @Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested. the town does not win if the VI is lynched so why does that matter? town threatening to lynch VI is empty and mafia would just ignore it completely. that wouldn't even work since in order to threaten to lynch the VI they have to know who the VI is meaning the mafia will likely know as well and can just hit him at night Alright. I give up on my argument. I relent. I crack under pressure. Does that please you? What I intended was simply to get people thinking hard about how to get rid of VI, as he is a problem that must be solved through the cooperation of multiple roles. I guess you have an excellent reason for showing me up here, though. Shall we discuss something else now?
Do you want out of the limelight good sir?
On October 06 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? He's worried that if Protact is mafia, the mafia will pull some shenanigans and change the leader away from him before lynch.
You know what he is thinking too...Seriously, this post wasn't about to be dedicated to you, I was just getting a vote list and reading thread.
On October 06 2010 12:37 Crisis_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:17 Protactinium wrote:On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I think lynching the VI as a threat to the mafia, but its only really worth it if the mafia are really close to winning. Even then its a risk, but if the town is going to lose anyway, might as well go out with style.
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Seriously? You're going to vote for me just because it "doesn't let the Mafia influence the vote"? And if you're Mafia, then voting for me is an influence, no? This is bad reasoning, and you know it. Crisis_, you too? What's your reason now... I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not much else I can do. Sorry.
How were you stuck? I'm still reading thread maybe you answer it in there. If that's the case, ignore this. If I remember to delete it you'll never know.
On October 06 2010 13:00 SiNiquity wrote:
I getcha, heh.
Also, Prot's headed to the gallows (bum just chimed in). Sorry buddy ~ could've thwarted this whole mess if you'd have fessed up.
Bum was terrible as the village idiot watch guy....
Seriously. lmao.
On October 06 2010 14:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok Medics, here is how the game should be played tonight.
Make a list of people you think are innocent. Now, it has to be a list of a few people. ANALYZE them every day to make sure they don't change from town to scummy in your eyes, and prot them, non stop or until we have a better idea. If anyone who pushed for flamewheels lynch is on your list, slap yourself really hard and remake your list.
As for the rest of the town. Take the time now to either look at the name above or below you in the list, and look over their posts and analyze them. Post that analysis in thread for debate. Lets get us some targets. Hell after this day there is a ton of crap to look through.
...See....Fuck...Listen to this man. Anyone pushing to kill flamewheel being protected, which is why I'm making sure to make that vote list. Sorry I been away guys.
On October 07 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'd most like to here from Misder right now. He came out saying he has a list of suspects and that he thinks OpZ is mafia but never backed it up for the rest of the day which seems odd.
This.
Misder, please answer.
On October 07 2010 10:02 Pandain wrote:Proctat=amazing. He dupes me(and everyone, but mostly me and subversion) in Bill Murray's game, than he dupes the people here and gets himself lynched. I still think that was a horrible lynch idea, and we should start looking at the people who started to vote for proctat. Note that the votes for him came out of like nowhere, and for less than optimal reasons too: "Didn't reveal who he was" (Sinquity)
"Bill Murray voted for him and I wanted to fit in"(Infinite Story)
"This way mafia can't manipulate the vote away to a different person"(Nuke da bunnies)
"Panic voted, looked back, but i would've voted for a different person! Plus, I think he's VI now(says this after Protact heavily hints at it)" (Bumatlarge)
"Bill Murray"
Alright reason "Tried to get dt to reveal, bill murray seems sure(albeit that reason is less than sound as he couldn't really be), smurfs are uncool and unhelpful" (Ghrur)
"Stuck between a rock and a hard place"(I'm assuming this means because he was tied for second place?) (Crisis)Overall, horrible reasons. Almost all of these people are newcomers as well, meaning theres a chance this might've just been a fail on the town part. I'll be looking through these people in addition to some others. I actually assume only 1-2(doubt 2) mafia would be on this list, but theres a good chance there might be none. But of course that's all speculation, just some thoughts I'm having. DT should probably check Xelin. Even though it might be nothing, Brownbear's accidental tell might actually be suggesting something. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 09:18 LSB wrote:Divinek is being pretty active Pandian is writing weird stories again. That probably means he's Red or Blue Bum says he's going on VI watch, that would be something Mafia would like to get recognized as On October 06 2010 08:21 Bill Murray wrote:
At a glance, I see that people have been editing. I am not a fan of that. I see DoctorH is being active. That may or may not be a good thing. I am going to go read the thread and get off the inactive list. I'll make an informed post in a moment... possibly an hour. Could someone tell me a bit more? Then again, DoctorH hasn't played for a while, so maybe his reentry means that he's willing to put in more effort As for the Newcomers, I haven't read much, but it should be pretty easy to tell if one of them is Green. Are any of them superactive? Lastly, Someone go Protect/Investigate Xelin. Brownbear just told us straight out that he's Red or Blue And what does this post do? You repeat stuff, don't give opinion, and speculation. Nothing full of content. And fyi, I always write stories. See: my first game!I'll start the analysis by the end of the next day cycle. Expect to do some serious scum hunting. Right now I have a few suspects, but no real analysis as of now. But if I die I want you guys to look at some people in particular: 1.Infinite Story 2.Bumatlarge Also possibly a infun+dr. H connection. Just speculation n.n So, in conclusion:
1. Medics should protect who you think is going to get hit, people you think are blues, and people you think are innocent. In this case, even Xelin might be a good protection.
2.DT's should check some of the intresting people in this case. I would suggest checking either Dr. H or Xelin, or someone you think you have a real good read on. I have a sneaking suscipcion of Dr. H which as of now unverified but I shall delve into tommorow.
3.Protact once again proves that kitties want the downfall of mankind
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What is this....I can't even begin to understand this.
...Okay....I see...So you're feeling me.
I'm feeling Dr. H...a lil.....Ya feel me? Anyway....Point of the matter is...I have no idea, maybe it was the italics but your post just hurt to read.
I agree, as you can see in my current post, I'm agreeing with you. I would also like to hear some from Crisi_ again....where's he been at?
Oh...and rock and a hard place? -______________-
On October 07 2010 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Luckily for us the mafia didn't hit any blues.
I looked at the day one votes and there were no votes for Infund. cSc voted for bumatlarge. Bumatlarge voted for protactinum. Infundibulum voted for Gruhr.
I don't think there is much we can learn from the day 1 votes but it's best to keep it in mind, it's something. I'll go back over pages 15 onward. There was a lot of argumentation surrounding infundibulum so that needs to be looked at again.
I think final vote lists should be posted in thread @_@
Anyway...Votes an protact would of been nice to post.
Oh wow...fml, BB doesn't tally. Fuckkkkkk I actually gotta count.
BM protact
Ghrur - Dunno yet....Gonna have to reread thread.
Infest - ....Wtf bro.October 06 2010 10:49. (Mafia attempt at forming a bandwagon quickly, trying to snipe a good player?)
SiNiquity -again need to reread reasoning. I think he posted more than what he said in Pandains quote....But maybe I'm just remembering something different because there really wasn't much reasoning given for flame's deathhhh. Dr. H is going against him so clearly I need to better look at him.
NukeTheBunnys - ....waaaat.
Crisis_ - Already said some thangs.
bumatlarge - ...you are insane sir.
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Also I think Bill is trying to get himself killed also -_-
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On October 07 2010 13:58 Bill Murray wrote:
lets have an open roleclaim. BC, you first. I'm town, but I'm not saying what at this point
people can say "no, we shouldn't roleclaim, it is way too early". I just want people to claim town/townie, not what role they are.
If I was mafia, I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious to be the play of mafia. Lynch BC if I get mislynched. If he flips red, look at ~OpZ~ and DoctorH. If you all want to win, listen to me.
Claim.
I'm claiming town.
We need to consolidate through claims.
Trust me on this one, and we will have a good game.
Bill are you trying to get lynched?
Why do we have a new village idiot running around.
-_____-
Honestly I think you're green and just don't feel like playing. I with I was on mafia team with BC and DrH. But sadly...I'm not. And HappyFairytale woulda been on my team.
BC is likely mafia. I believe that. You're post on him was very nice. But I probably would of been hella suspicious of BC whenever he started posting more. He was posting content to newer players that needs to be said to them. Just because we all know how to play medic roles doesn't mean all these new guys do.
On October 07 2010 13:40 infinitestory wrote:cSc's only got two posts in the thread since the game began, and judging from his activity and the content of his posts, I don't expect him to explain his vote for bumatlarge insightfully, if at all. His two posts: Show nested quote +Given my schedule I'll be posting from about now till... well hopefully until the day ends. Seeing as how I'm new I guess this lynch the inactive's makes sense, and to avoid being one of the first ones to go, Here I am! Show nested quote +If you don't have enough information to make an educated vote, is it better to go with the majority, or vote randomly?
Okay, maybe I'll be nicer...
And BB, my bad. I was high.
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...........How......Does.....That....Clear.....Anyone.
Omg. Weed out the greens? Are you kidding me? Feed the mafia every blue on a silver platter?
Argh.
And how am I even possible mafia? Both you and Misder have said this but I would like some proof.
Also Dr.H, my suspects are
happyfairytale/BC (thanks to BM posting HFT's contradiction),
BM - actually...why are we not lynching him. We should lynch him. He started Prot lynch, and is probably acting insane to live.
Not so much Pandain, Drag_ and King seem pretty town to me.
InfiniteStory seems to be playing better now. Need him to post his suspects with some argument though.
Crisis and Ghrur....Possible or possible new mistake. Jumping into lynches with no reasoning is bad and we need to put them in the spotlight. Nobody has been mentioning them (Ghrur might of posted on second thought, FML i'm so tired)
But that's who and why. Divinek should be online right now actually....
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On October 07 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
I lynched an anti-town role.
Are you dumb?
Are you town or not? Claim something. Claim Town/Townie/MadHatter with a bomb on BC plz
Comment on my suspicions? Explain why I'm anti-town?
-____-
Why are you spamming?
I'm not going to claim, as it would encourage others to do so.
So far I'm only suspicious of BC based on HFT's posts...He could of been lying to prevent modkill/ban? Only thing I can think to justify...But if he had a spreadsheet on one player why not just have voted for that player?
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On October 07 2010 14:24 Bill Murray wrote:
Busy in your quicktime, asking for your allies help? Possibly on MSN doing that, right?
I only have this thread to use.
Would you like me to get on MSN so we can scum talk BM?
-_________-
Seriously dude, chill out trying to get BC, DrH, and Me bandwagoned with NO reason. -_____-
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On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder?
What if mafia slay you at night?
=/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch?
Where are these?
is this how I became a suspect?
Laughable.
On October 05 2010 12:34 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:31 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of lynching, do we have to accuse before we can vote on the person? Or can we just type ##vote xxxxxxx?
If we don't need to accuse, should we do so anyway in the thread to start a discussion?
Also, I support the idea of non-random lynching. Random lynching has a greater chance of hitting blue or green instead of red. Random lynching also doesn't promote discussion which means there's less of a posting trail for later in the game.
For non-random lynching, I suggest lynching a suspicious active instead of an inactive. Inactives could be simply bored by the Day1 stuff, but become really useful later. An example would be the recent RAM game where Xelin was inactive in the beginning, but found a mafia member on his first accusation. You technically can vote without any reason, but I always accuse along with vote. Voting without any analysis is pretty scummy in my book. Right now, I have some hunches on whos mafia, but I'm gonna hold back til there are more posts to work with. So, I'm probably going to vote for an inactive, unless something major happens.
Really? You never explained why you voted for me.....beautiful contradiction homie?
On October 06 2010 09:18 Misder wrote:
I would vote Infund, but I've played with him mafia last game, and he does a lot more accusing and spam in that game. He's not acting like he was when he was mafia before; he may have changed his playstyle, but that's pretty unlikely.
Also, I would like to say that a lot of mafia members like to post a lot in the beginning, seemingly to help out, but they hide later in the day. (someone like ~Opz~, for example, I've got suspicions on him; I don't know if they are good feelings or bad feelings).
I don't hide. I just....Fizzle out once lots of information becomes apparent. Most of what I'm feeling gets said by others when theres lots of information floating around. My activity is usually
A) Terrible in the beginning/Good in the middle/and up there when the game gets close
B) okay in the beginning/good in the mid/and nonexistant in the end. Depends how the game pans out.
On October 06 2010 09:22 Misder wrote:
Actually, I’m just going to vote ~Opz~ right now instead of XeliN, just because of this tiny suspicion. I don’t know if I truly believe in that he is mafia, but I think he has a better chance at being mafia than XeliN.
Ohhh this was your reason?
Little tiny baby suspicion that you couldn't even explain? Call it....Intuition maybe? If thats all your suspicion is, intuition, then post it and call it that. Don't pretend you have nonexistant evidence.
So...yea...Misder you need to explain your positions now.
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On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this.
DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREEN
He's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe.
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Well...I need to see some more before I can really narrow anything down. It's 1:40 and I work at 8....I'm really crossing too much time as it is. But I'll look at Misder.
*that post in relation to misder was me narroring for you infinite*
Also, BM, I'm not defending myself. I'M HAPPY IF SOMEONE WILL EXPLAIN WHY THEY FEEL I'M SCUMMY.
I've done asked you AND Misder to explain. Neither have provided me with ANYTHING more than POSSIBLE intuition? Oh come the fuck on.
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On October 07 2010 14:54 Crisis_ wrote:
So about my "rock and hard place" comment, I was talking about how I was 2nd on the votelist, and I didn't have much of a choice, otherwise I would have been lynched. Why would I want to die on day 1?...
Oh and if you don't believe I'm not red, you can go ahead and lynch me to find out. Sheesh.
Hey hey home boy. I didn't understand what was going on. I thought Cynan had more votes than you. =/
But I understand it now....So yea...
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On October 07 2010 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote:
You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREENHe's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. Except any smart green would soft claim blue to fuck with the mafia. Every VI will claim something to get lynched. He is fishing, but he knows anyone smart won't fall for it. Hence him spamming our posts out of existence.
I knew why he was spamming. It's just bothering me that it's still going on.
Crisis who are your top suspects, since you are conveniently on.
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On October 07 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:05 Bill Murray wrote:
infinitestory, "town" are usually called "townies". They failed to realize this. They are mafia. I am town, you are town, DoctorH is town in all likelihood... because we all claimed "town". "Town" = Townies. The way it is worded is weird, and not normal. OpZ and BC not picking up on the way "Townie" is reworded as "Town" in this game proves they are mafia or blue. I am leaning towards mafia on BC, which is why I am voting for him. I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do. With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game.
I'm seriously considering resigning from this game because of BM's spam.....
Anyway, i'm off to bed. I work in 6 hours. Night night guys.
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TOWN/TOWNIE ARE FUCKING INTERCHANGEABLE....
do you not REALIZE how many OPs I can pull up with TOWNIE in it?!
-_-
Sry I'm getting frustrated by stupidity. It's smothering me.
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On October 07 2010 15:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 07 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:05 Bill Murray wrote:
infinitestory, "town" are usually called "townies". They failed to realize this. They are mafia. I am town, you are town, DoctorH is town in all likelihood... because we all claimed "town". "Town" = Townies. The way it is worded is weird, and not normal. OpZ and BC not picking up on the way "Townie" is reworded as "Town" in this game proves they are mafia or blue. I am leaning towards mafia on BC, which is why I am voting for him. I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do. With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game. I'm seriously considering resigning from this game because of BM's spam..... Anyway, i'm off to bed. I work in 6 hours. Night night guys. Welcome to BM in flamewheels last game, where foolishness literally stopped posting because of two players spam. Just as in future games created by the main balance crew will include spam clauses as to avoid the shit from ruining games in the future.
Sir, I'm no saint. I feel spam should be allowed. But to this extent? I think he got 6 to 7 posts in a row by himself. If it was a consolidation issue, I could be completely forgiving to him. But this isn't that either. Taking away the mafia's ability to spam up over a good post would be wrong, but to allow this ridiculous shit? Fuck that.
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Really? my role PM says townie. It was also sent by Artanis. Was yours sent by Artanis? -_-
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On October 07 2010 15:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Really? my role PM says townie. It was also sent by Artanis. Was yours sent by Artanis? -_-
-Edit about 45 variations of the word "fuck" followed by "you BM"-
-______- Fucking god fucking dammit
I quit.
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On October 07 2010 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 07 2010 15:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 07 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:05 Bill Murray wrote:
infinitestory, "town" are usually called "townies". They failed to realize this. They are mafia. I am town, you are town, DoctorH is town in all likelihood... because we all claimed "town". "Town" = Townies. The way it is worded is weird, and not normal. OpZ and BC not picking up on the way "Townie" is reworded as "Town" in this game proves they are mafia or blue. I am leaning towards mafia on BC, which is why I am voting for him. I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do. With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game. I'm seriously considering resigning from this game because of BM's spam..... Anyway, i'm off to bed. I work in 6 hours. Night night guys. Welcome to BM in flamewheels last game, where foolishness literally stopped posting because of two players spam. Just as in future games created by the main balance crew will include spam clauses as to avoid the shit from ruining games in the future. Sir, I'm no saint. I feel spam should be allowed. But to this extent? I think he got 6 to 7 posts in a row by himself. If it was a consolidation issue, I could be completely forgiving to him. But this isn't that either. Taking away the mafia's ability to spam up over a good post would be wrong, but to allow this ridiculous shit? Fuck that. eh? there is a major difference between spamming a post to be ignored, and making 7 posts in a row that are one liners that offer no real substance -_-
I believe that's pretty much what I said. @_@ ANYWAY, last time, good night. Can't get off this damn thing.
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On October 07 2010 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, BC and OpZ still don't realize the townie pm is phrased "Town"
not citizen
not townie
Town.
They don't realize this. Why would they not realize that?
@Drag_ I am green, and on the side of good. Do not question me, bro.
On October 07 2010 16:47 XeliN wrote:
In fact it's not even "my take" it's blatantly what he actually means as he frequently say's
"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie"
Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant.
If I get killed because Artanis PM'd me "Townie" instead of "Town" I'm going to be pissed the fuck off.
Rule 6 says posting any PM from host, well Artanis isn't host, he is cohost, but what the fuck does it matter. It's okay logic, I guess, except for when someone gets a wild hair up his ass.
This game is fucked.
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On October 07 2010 20:33 XeliN wrote:
I skim read, Bill has pretty much made it clear and my post is redundant. I kindof give away my role slightly but Bill is correct in how it is phrased and Bloody appears to be lying when he says "Green citizen (Town) and the followup text..
Unless Brownbear used different formating for individual PM's, but I think this is unlikely. As of now I'm going to agree with voting for Bloody based on this.
Who was your PM from BB or Artanis?
-____- WTF...seriously...Bill didn't answer that question either.
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Don't lurk then side with BM trying to convince the town to lynch one of the strongest players right off the bat.
Although it would be good to see what he is, I would rather lynch Misder.
What is your take on Misder Xelin? You haven't been commenting on the...you know....REST OF THE DISCUSSION. Just on BM's uselessness? I didn't answer because I thought he was asking if blue/green. But I don't feel like fucking playing around the mod to find mafia.
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On October 08 2010 00:53 BrownBear wrote:
Let's pleast stop talking about the PMs. It's a slippery slope, and as you all know, quoting all or part of them is illegal.
Get back to scumhunting based off of analysis, not stupid PM-based shit.
I've done said this BrownBear. -_____-
But if I get lynched because Artanis sent me my PM and not you....I will go all Hesmyrr on your ass. (RAM)
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On October 08 2010 00:12 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Wow spam much.
Right now I'm thinking Bill is either A. a second village idiot, or B. mafia trying to hide behind the fear of a second village idiot. Its very tempting to vote for him regardless just to get the spam to stop. I really don't understand why he is bragging about convincing everyone(myself included) to vote for the village idiot. Hurrr I made us lose on the first day Im a good player Hurrrrrrrr.
As for the role PM's I think people are just trying to confuse everyone. Even if some one is helping brown bear host, I seriously doubt that he would send out half the role PMs, and some one else would send out the other half. I think anyone(read: Opz) claiming that their PM was not sent by brownbear is very suspicious. Im not going to get nitpicking about the town/townie distinction as they are commonly interchangeable.
My next step is to go reread the past 7 pages completely ignoring everything Bill said and see if it makes any more sense. Then again maybe I should go back and point out the inconsistencies in his spam as Im sure I could find quite a few
Didn't I ask you a question in one of my posts?
@_@
At school, gotta go back to work. Fuck my lunch break not being for lunch.
...Xelin. There is more to say than just to me. I expect you to address Divinek, Amber, and BC too. Seriously...My vote isn't moving until you start posting thoroughly, and I bet you're decently high on the rest of everyone elses suspect list. Know why? BECAUSE WHO FOLLOWS BILL MURRAY...
(Still have the offer to cohost with you BM, I'm telling you you'd do so much better with a little help)
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kane］deth[
just replace after the "=" the name of the player Kane.
Easier way if you know their exact screen name.
Anyway...Misder is being...Misder...
-___-
Guys, seriously, we need to uh...step up?
Ghrur needs to post more (I liked your post, and content like that would be better appreciated.)
BC, what are you up to right now? Who are you looking at? What are your suggestions for upcoming night actions? When would you like some butt sex? We know Xelin is better. Kinda upsetting he just wont play openly. We can't exactly be private this game guys.
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And Meeple. Plz give me some information as to your suspects. Who you're looking at and why?
You haven't been posting too much actual information, and have only went at cynan and pandain possible connection? Plz continue, I might be persuaded to vote for Cynan quite easily, AND I would like to know what you think sir.
Again. I'm fine going after Misder. Will be changing my vote shortly. Definitely off of Xelin.
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On October 08 2010 11:03 Misder wrote:
Actually, I feel like I've been more active day 1 in this game than in the other games. But then I dropped off.
Pretty much, I agree with what everyone is saying about me not posting a list of who I think is mafia is true. The list comprised of intuition, however much that matters in this game. I think this game I've tried to analyse people from my perspective of being mafia, and didn't realize that other people think differently. Well, I don't know if you still want my list from day 1 since it doesn't mean much and most of its suspicion based on intuition, but it comprised of ~Opz~, DH, and Infund. Well, we know that infund is town, so that goes to show how bad I am at scum hunting...
And this may seem contridictory again, but where is kingjames? He was active day 1, and now hes gone.
Thinking of keeping my vote on you now...
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On October 08 2010 11:27 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 22:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote:
Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job.
Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world.
Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway.
. No. No. AND No. Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2. The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure. Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you. Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem: On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote:
So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can:
-Randomly Pick
-Pick an Inactive
-Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______- Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess. Hey hey hey, don't get all resentful on me. Lol. Come on. Those three ways are always deci---wait....lot of new people this game. My bad. I'll be more helpful then Oh. Hmm...Maybe I should add to the discussion more so next time. Personally.... Too all new players. Do not attach any kind of feelings to anyone trying to give you "good" direction. Distrust them. Even if they sound completely beneficial. Do not trust them. Do not trust me. Do not trust this post.. Ok, gonna look through some stuff. Gf might try and stop me, and gotta go smoke a cig with Champ. On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos Our goal is to mafia kill. We kill suspicious people. It's what we do. It's our....Thaaaaaang. Mafia better be better at sniping then town, that's all I gotta say on that. On October 04 2010 22:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:Pandains post: + Show Spoiler +On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote:
Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose.
Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel.
DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to
1.People acting out of character
2.Lurking people
Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit
Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them.
Mad Hatter
This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia.
However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it.
Vigilante
The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone.
But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia.
But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things.
1. Lynch an inactive
2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e)
3.Lynch a suspicious person
In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia.
I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons
1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies)
2.Forces people to get talking
3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2)
Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least. Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out. I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from.
I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/ p.s. Typical Amber blunder? On October 05 2010 00:10 Divinek wrote:On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos chaos is the mafia way. It's far better to try and get something out of people by pressuring them and forcing them to talk than just going 'oh well we RNG'd a hit now no one needs to talk for the rest of the day' Not to mention who's doing said "RNG"-ing. Amirite? -__- On October 05 2010 06:16 Happy.fairytail wrote:
I actually don't think there's a difference whether we pick by random or inactive because:
a) Inactive doesn't necessarily mean non-blue. I've seen plenty of games where the DT was very quiet and seemingly inactive. He evaded all mafia suspicion and survived to the mid game and revealed himself. With himself and 3 innocent townsperson, he was able to establish a lasting majority against the mafia and win.
b) We have an equal chance of picking a village idiot whether we go random or inactive. It's not like we have special insight into the idiot's tactics that would give us an edge in determining one method or the other.
I think the two most important things are:
a) Communication. The upside far outweighs the downside, and I think we all agree here, no need to explain further.
b) We lynch someone every round. I'm going to prove this for another post statistically... That DT blew chunks, and so did that mafia. Fuck that three innocent townspersons were dumb too. Anyway, no. DT if you find a red bloke, I want you to build an argument for why he is mafia. Tell us what he is/is not doing that is/is not helping to town. I want you to lay into him. Be relentless. Don't pull no fucking punches. If his mama's a tramp, I want you to let us know. Shiaaaaaaat. So ignore this kid's advice. It's weak sauce. -___- Quiet people often get sniped by mafia toooooo. (Unless Radfield/Ace/L are playing) Eh...Kinda got the Village idiot post. It was pretty smart thinking with Village Idiot/Mafia win....So we do gotta be careful, cuz if village idiot is down to last 3 "Hai I'm VI, lynch me!!" Mafia just have to wait for him to vote for himself. Lol. I don't really agree that ~Opz~ said anything important in this post. 1) He says that hes not used to all the newcomers and says that newcomers should trust anyone. So to a newcomer, does one trust the post or not? Not really helpful to anyone, and it just messes with the mind. 2) He says that the point of mafia is to kill the mafia, but then implies that town sucks at scum hunting, saying that mafia better be good at green hunting, cause thats the only way we can win. At least thats how I read it. 3) Points out Amber's mistake and calls it typical. Not important I dont think cause anyone who read the OP knows its a no PM game. 4) Don't actually know what hes saying here. I think hes implying that we never actually know whos doing the RNG, and that some people can say that they RNG and they don't. I guess it kinda helps, but I don't even know if thats what he meant by that point, so no idea whether or not it helps him. 5) He just again becomes condescending, and tells everyone not to listen to happy's advice cause its weak.
It was a post of mainly thread notes and comments. You don't like my thoughts? Whereforeartthou Amber?! (I musta missed some posts by him for a while)
In the thread they were talking about RNGing a lynch candidate. Giving an idea to make it legit?
Yea, happy's advice was weak.
Oh, hey....Look at all my games as town, I make a post VERY similar to that one. Would you like me to find some?
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BC, hi buddy how are ya?
Been misssssssssing you.
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I was going to look at DrH, but I'll eat my shoe if he is mafia.
-_-
I mean I'm 69.9% sure he is town. He hasn't been attacking regulars, and vets like he does when he is mafia....
Although he is playing hella nice nice with everyone.
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On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily!
Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh.
I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy.
I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more.
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On October 10 2010 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 14:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh. I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy. I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more. Dude, I have no issue popping out analysis, but waiting on me? I would ask if your expecting me to do it myself I ask you to do it as well. Your a solid player and shouldn't be relying just on my posts to figure out what to do.
No sir BC, that is not what I meant. I've been waiting to see something from you, so I could generate a better opinion about you. You know I can't trust you, and never do. And personally, even bringing up BM in your post made me suspect you more. We know BM wasn't playing pro-town. We haven't lynched him for fear of VI. Why did you feel you needed to beat a dead horse BC?
If you want my opinion, you've done more than Amber, and Xelin, and South, and Meeple. Kinda...annoyed they aren't posting at all. What you all have nothing to say? I'd venture 2 of you are mafia. Amber especially under suspicion.
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On October 11 2010 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 23:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 10 2010 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 10 2010 14:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh. I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy. I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more. Dude, I have no issue popping out analysis, but waiting on me? I would ask if your expecting me to do it myself I ask you to do it as well. Your a solid player and shouldn't be relying just on my posts to figure out what to do. No sir BC, that is not what I meant. I've been waiting to see something from you, so I could generate a better opinion about you. You know I can't trust you, and never do. And personally, even bringing up BM in your post made me suspect you more. We know BM wasn't playing pro-town. We haven't lynched him for fear of VI. Why did you feel you needed to beat a dead horse BC? If you want my opinion, you've done more than Amber, and Xelin, and South, and Meeple. Kinda...annoyed they aren't posting at all. What you all have nothing to say? I'd venture 2 of you are mafia. Amber especially under suspicion. Eh? I was asked to analyze BM by Infinite when he asked me for analysis. Suspecting me for doing something that someone asked is pretty sketchy play opz, even you know that. Besides, your also an experienced player, waiting for me to post to get a general idea on my alignment is great, its even smart. However, by not posting any analysis because your waiting for me doesn't help the town in the least. You can easily analyze me overtime as well as write up analysis of people you find suspicious to help the town.
You have a point sir, and I never considered it. I usually have a one track mind when it comes to looking at people. =(
Other times, it's generally all over the place, but looking, I get too focused.
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On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:Can someone explain to me why we voted for a double lynch? I could have sworn we were going to get this insane amount of information, yet from what it seems we're still running around with our heads cut off. Like what the hell happened yesterday? The day seemed pretty cut and dry. Vote Xelin and then see if mafia touches BM. Was this plan not sound? Then someone suggested a double lynch. I wasn't keen on the idea of doing this, and I vocally said going for a double lynch so early was a terrible idea. So now we didn't lynch Xelin, but instead went for someone who wasn't even being discussed until the last 12 hours of the day (since I checked frequently up until then). What seems to be the plan? Where does Xelin sit on the list? BM? Did we just forget about them. There is one thing I want to raise as suspicion, and everyone should consider this: I'm HIGHLY suspicious of this since we can't really check. Not only do I find it fishy that he would say this, but it's also weird that we would have 2 veterans with the possibility of a bulletproof in this game. It would seem that in a game this small it's more likely that only one person would fulfill each role, at the most. It makes no sense to stack roles like Veterans in this game, since our last veteran that died obviously had no clue how to use his role. However I will say that I am not suspcious of Opz because if he is a Veteran, he used the role very well, and his posts should be looked at to see who he targeted, if there's any relevant posts. But I want everyone to mull over this. Our friend, BC, used the same tactic in another mafia game and it ruined the town for about 2 days because we didn't act! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=81#1610Cliffs: BC claimed to be protected by a medic on Night 2. We played along and didn't act upon this claim. He then went on to completely obliterate the town in the subsequent days in BM's game. Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time. For the second lynch, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today.
This was your first post in god forsaken how long? Attacking me for eating a hit, then suggesting I get lynched when I could simply be bulletproof? What kind of logic is that?
Amber, what have you done all game? Let's have a look why don't we....Not that I want to dedicate this time since I'm at the GF's house, but Let me go ahead.
On October 11 2010 02:45 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.
Are you saying that in order to see if OpZ is a townie, we should lynch him? We could full well be doing the mafia's work for them, then. It's like the medieval witch trial joke. The way to tell if someone was a witch in medieval times - throw them in the ocean with weights attached. Live - is a witch, kill him/her. Die - oshi, was a human. I'm fairly convinced that OpZ is a townie so far, so the following paragraph assumes that: What do you mean "he isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once?" You might be forgetting that there's another role that takes hits, namely the Blue Bulletproof, who can't be nightkilled at all (except through poison or vigi). This whole thing really rests on what OpZ meant by "taking a hit" - did he get saved by a medic, did he use a veteran life, or did he survive with bulletproof? Even in the first two scenarios, if OpZ is a townie, he's still as useful as any other townie o_O at least in terms of numbers. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Also, OpZ - please clarify: Did you survive due to your role or due to a doc?
I'm not clarifying because it would be retarded. Tell mafia my role so they can guess if they can hit me again? Let them try, and let them find out. Duh?
Sry new guy you needed to know that.
Seriously.
Xelin, mafia.
Amber, Mafia.
BC, I'm torn. Only reason he would be mafia is because he was given the role happy started with.
And more about me taking that hit? LOOK WHAT TIME I CLAIMED IT. God damn, does no body notice shit like that anymore?
post on Amber coming up.
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On October 11 2010 11:47 Crisis_ wrote:
I believe OpZ when he said he took a hit. Even if he's lying, it's not like it's hurting our game that much. If someone were poisoned, we'd find out the next night anyway, and figure he was lying. As for his wording, it is likely that he is a vet/bulletproof because he would have otherwise said "I was hit, but saved" or some wording like that.
As for Cynan, I think he's definitely town now, after re-looking over his posts. They seemed suspicious before, but after looking at it from a town-play perspective, it was simply standard posting.
I'm still looking forward to hearing from kane]deth[, though. There's just not enough evidence to really put him down.
And while we're at it, since we have a double lynch, I'd like to hear from drag_ and ghrur, since they too have minimal posting.
No. If I was bp, vet, or med prot'd, I would of said the exact same thing? Why? Because I don't want mafia to know what happened.
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On October 12 2010 03:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Opz I told them stop talking about it because it was so counter productive. Look at the people who have contributed today and then look at the votes. A few are awesome as they are random votes with no justification + no post in thread in general. Awesome game so far.
TY BC, sry man. Just got off work and missed that post, tired as hell.
On October 04 2010 22:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote:
Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job.
Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world.
Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway.
. No. No. AND No. Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2. The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure. Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you. Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem: Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote:
So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can:
-Randomly Pick
-Pick an Inactive
-Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______- Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess.
My post was Derp, but you're talking about PMs and Circles? Read the rules.
Would of been decent logic, buuuuuuuuuuut ignore the GF, but be wary of Millers? That's kind of an oxymoron. Bad reverse logic there. He wants you to PM his godfather, but he DOESNT want you to shout if you find a mafia?. Kk, got you there home boy.
Why is this bad play? Because detective defend people they check that come up town, and attack people that come up mafia. That's what you do. That's your job. He's telling you....The opposite?
On October 04 2010 22:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:Pandains post: + Show Spoiler +On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote:
Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose.
Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel.
DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to
1.People acting out of character
2.Lurking people
Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit
Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them.
Mad Hatter
This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia.
However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it.
Vigilante
The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone.
But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia.
But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things.
1. Lynch an inactive
2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e)
3.Lynch a suspicious person
In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia.
I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons
1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies)
2.Forces people to get talking
3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2)
Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least. Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out. I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from. I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/
Of course mafia would be in favor of a RNG. You wouldn't out someone. You would just create a shitty lynch target that would provide the town with No information. Good idea again Amber. I think my sarcasm is coming across thick. Or I'm hoping it is.
On October 05 2010 20:38 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM! On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_.... How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since: 1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum. 2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives. I would highly suggest being careful about how you analyze for the rest of the game. You're in for a full-on assault from Opz now. Shitlisted!!! So half the town just isn't aware of the game going on right now? We need the other 12+ players to contribute...
Don't get rough with me boy. I'll bite you.
On October 06 2010 02:19 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 00:48 meeple wrote:On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote:On October 05 2010 22:57 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Here is the list of people that have not posted so far, so we can get an idea of who the inactives are
1. JeeJee
2. bumatlarge
3. Bill Murray
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
15.infinitestory
16.cSc
20.drag_
21.CynanMachine
I did not count 1 line post with no real content. A bit less then half the people have posted by now with most of the content from a small group of people(~OpZ~,Amber[LighT].Divinek and Misder and some others) If we choose to vote inactive, we currently have quite the pool to choose from Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game. I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not. Well... I won't discourage your posting, since anything is useful at this point... but the DT can't even act until Night 2... so if you are attempting to aid the blue roles in making decisions, try the medic On that note... not only cops but I think protective roles should read up on http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop like Infund suggested... just to mess with the red's heads a little more... please don't be obvious about tells but just keep them in mind. Of that list... the only ones that strike me as odd are JeeJee and Xelin, since I think they're usually around. Perhaps because of the late start, BrownBear should send them little nudges through PM's that the games started? True we should probably work on making sure that the medic is set up. It wouldn't surprise me if an inactive is the medic since it makes no sense for active players to risk getting killed while at the same time providing the town with insight. That should be done by the townies (who a bunch are still snoozing!!!!!). The top 5 on that list will probably speak by the end of the day. Due to past mafia experience they always maintain a low presence and will erupt come tomorrow as though this massive amount of information will be gathered by tomorrow. I'm interested to hear about why we should lynch certain people though. I mean the current active town can just hang out and start spitting out names of inactive players but you should be defending your right to stay alive through this lynch.... I'm still on the fence as to how this vote should go, but we need to have a decent plan going into day 2 as well for how voting procedure should take place. This could happen tomorrow when the other players decide to finally become active.
Funny how....None came out with a mass amount of information the next day. When were you going to point this out. Drawing heat of fellow mafia? It's cool.
On October 06 2010 22:28 Amber[LighT] wrote:
well done with the VI lynch... maybe people will stop ignoring my posts when I say that obvious stupid bandwagons were forming and to STOP THEM. What happened in day 1 is no surprise the town didn't organize properly, and too many people are sitting idly twiddling their thumbs.
Bill Murray should never be taken seriously. He's obviously playing irrationally trying to get people to lynch someone on a name-basis. RE-READ PAGES 15-17 and keep him on your radar!
And....You didn't keep posting your suspicions why? I don't get it....
On October 07 2010 23:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Xelin are you serious? Bill Murray has done nothing but spew bullshit this entire thread and all of a sudden you "side with him" because of town/townie? You've played mafia games with BM before, and you're going to side with him? This is the same crap he pulls every game. I wake up and I open up FF to see the night post and follow-up posts between midnight and now. I see "TL MAFIA XXXI" and I'm like "cool it's been active." I click the thread and I remembered leaving off at page 27. Now it's 7 pages later and I got excited. The town was active! They are posting! I read about 2 pages in and realize how Day 2 was starting off. I pretty much went from :-D, to :-), to :-?, to >:|, to >:/, to "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" in about 5 minutes. I'm sitting here thinking, "could it get any worse?" Oh it does. Xelin you're going to defend BM on this and lynch a high-tier player? You know the only reason BM is doing this is because it's BC, not because HFT managed to fuck up and not vote. I can't side with an argument that has no concrete evidence.
Now I also notice that BM is praising his lynch on the VI. You dumb bro? That was supposed to be game over. You managed to fuck the game up within 24 hours, and now you continue hacking away at players fishing for roles, like you always do. Luckily this is a non-PM game so you can't harass us like the last time, so I guess your only outlet is this thread.
SERIOUSLY STOP THE SPAM.
Just gonna say this if we just lynched BM on Day 1 like I subtly suggested this would have never happened:
1. VI wouldn't have been killed.
2. BC/OPZ/DrH wouldn't be on the chopping block
3. Thread would be about 4 pages less and more read-able and less frustrating.
4. Xelin wouldn't stick his head out (what is this all about?)
To be honest I don't even think any of the 5 people I've listed are mafia, it's just inner-town squabbles. You gotta remember that not everyone got a "townie PM" anyway so lynching based upon Artanis/BB's noun choices is laughable. And If that happens I'm gonna pretty much stop playing because that's just nonsense (and it will be the 2nd time in a row in this game we've allowed noise to clutter up the voting thread.)
Should Xelin not be sticking his head out? His analysis and his opinions have generally been good. So why isn't he helping us right now? Notice you attack xelin and then defend him. Same with BM. I don't get it. What do you want us to do? You're giving no direction. You are keeping us in a circle, and I don't like it. You need to go.
On October 08 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 07:21 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 07:08 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:57 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:50 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:45 LSB wrote:
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We wouldn't be placing the game in the hands of the mafia. The mafia would want to kill BM at night as much as we do.
The point is, the only reason why the mafia wouldn't kill BM is if BM is mafia. or because town isn't going to lynch a village idiot and they don't need to kill him in the first place I find it quiet hard to believe that there are two VI's in this game. So what would we do about BM? We can't just ignore him Vig hit, we've already went over this Small concern: What if it turns out BM is vet? We lose Vigi powers. Big concern: Having the Vig kill BM doesn't help out the town at all It's better to have the Mafia do the dirty work for us than for us to have to do it ourselves. Essentially we are reducing mafia KP for a night. More people are alive. Yay! We don't decide what the mafia does. What you don't understand is that the only way this puts mafia in a corner is IF bill murray is mafia if bill murray isn't mafia they are sitting back and laughing at the pressure while we are essentially saying "if you don't kill this town player we will". if we have reason to believe he is the village idiot than lynching him is stupid Bill Murray is going to be dead no matter what if he is mafia. Doesn't change the situation for the Mafia at all O.O If Bill Murray is mafia, mafia is probably cutting losses right now and bandwagoning him. On the other hand, if Bill Murray isn't mafia, they will kill him. They have to decide between losing the game and using a KP. Obviously they are going to use a KP. If they sit back and laugh they will lose. so lets clarify you are saying if mafia doesn't kill bill murray we will lynch him and because he is the VI mafia will lose? if bill murray isn't mafia and the mafia doesn't kill him what does the mafia stand to lose that we don't? in that scenario both the mafia and the town are under equal pressure and the mafia have the upper hand because they know bill isn't red and we don't We both agree that if Bill Murray is mafia, there is no difference in the plan. The point of disagreement is what the mafia would do. Okay, I have no idea how you're approaching the problem. But I think we aren't on the same page. I'll just explain it again. Think of incentives from the Mafia's point of view. Assume we are following through with our plan. It's Night 2. Mafia knows that Bill Murray isn't one of them. They either have two options 1) Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is a townie, its business as usually. If Bill Murray is VI they adverted disaster 2) Don't Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is townie, nothing really happens as the town will just double lynch. If Bill Murrary is VI, the town would lynch Bill Murrary, thinking that Bill Murrary is red. Mafia will find that option 1 is preferable. Option 2 they have a chance of loosing. Option 1 they kill someone that doesn't reveal to the town much information about the mafia. As for the Town. It's Day 3. From our incentive analysis, we realize that if Bill Murrary was green/VI, mafia would have killed him. So if Bill Murrary is green, we wake up with his death post. If Bill Murrary was red, Mafia wouldn't have killed him. So we know that he is red. So we lynch him and we take out a mafia. What this plan does is exploit the fact that the mafia knows whether or not Bill Murray is redMafia basically knows Bill Murray's role. We don't. So we force the mafia to reveal this information. I agree with this 100%. This will give us a better answer then having a vigilante kill him. Mafia will want to make sure that he's taken out if they even think he's the village idiot. It doesn't guarantee that there's a possibility of ignoring the thread and going for someone else, but it would seem highly likely for them to halt losing altogether. (would be so embarrassing for town and mafia to have 2 VI's lynched) Killing BM today should be out of the question, and though I don't really want Xelin to be lynched he hasn't contributed and doesn't even want to explain or defend his position. Hopefully at the least he will flip a townie, mafia if we're really lucky, but I doubt it.
And then top it all off, you support keeping BM alive. Knowing the mafia wont hit BM. That's too funny to even suggest casually. I don't get it. Chaos causing, spam spewing BM, is beneficial for mafia. Mafia offing him would be...Retarded?
On October 08 2010 09:06 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 08 2010 07:21 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 07:08 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:57 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:50 LSB wrote:
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I find it quiet hard to believe that there are two VI's in this game.
So what would we do about BM? We can't just ignore him Vig hit, we've already went over this Small concern: What if it turns out BM is vet? We lose Vigi powers. Big concern: Having the Vig kill BM doesn't help out the town at all It's better to have the Mafia do the dirty work for us than for us to have to do it ourselves. Essentially we are reducing mafia KP for a night. More people are alive. Yay! We don't decide what the mafia does. What you don't understand is that the only way this puts mafia in a corner is IF bill murray is mafia if bill murray isn't mafia they are sitting back and laughing at the pressure while we are essentially saying "if you don't kill this town player we will". if we have reason to believe he is the village idiot than lynching him is stupid Bill Murray is going to be dead no matter what if he is mafia. Doesn't change the situation for the Mafia at all O.O If Bill Murray is mafia, mafia is probably cutting losses right now and bandwagoning him. On the other hand, if Bill Murray isn't mafia, they will kill him. They have to decide between losing the game and using a KP. Obviously they are going to use a KP. If they sit back and laugh they will lose. so lets clarify you are saying if mafia doesn't kill bill murray we will lynch him and because he is the VI mafia will lose? if bill murray isn't mafia and the mafia doesn't kill him what does the mafia stand to lose that we don't? in that scenario both the mafia and the town are under equal pressure and the mafia have the upper hand because they know bill isn't red and we don't We both agree that if Bill Murray is mafia, there is no difference in the plan. The point of disagreement is what the mafia would do. Okay, I have no idea how you're approaching the problem. But I think we aren't on the same page. I'll just explain it again. Think of incentives from the Mafia's point of view. Assume we are following through with our plan. It's Night 2. Mafia knows that Bill Murray isn't one of them. They either have two options 1) Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is a townie, its business as usually. If Bill Murray is VI they adverted disaster 2) Don't Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is townie, nothing really happens as the town will just double lynch. If Bill Murrary is VI, the town would lynch Bill Murrary, thinking that Bill Murrary is red. Mafia will find that option 1 is preferable. Option 2 they have a chance of loosing. Option 1 they kill someone that doesn't reveal to the town much information about the mafia. As for the Town. It's Day 3. From our incentive analysis, we realize that if Bill Murrary was green/VI, mafia would have killed him. So if Bill Murrary is green, we wake up with his death post. If Bill Murrary was red, Mafia wouldn't have killed him. So we know that he is red. So we lynch him and we take out a mafia. What this plan does is exploit the fact that the mafia knows whether or not Bill Murray is redMafia basically knows Bill Murray's role. We don't. So we force the mafia to reveal this information. I agree with this 100%. This will give us a better answer then having a vigilante kill him. Mafia will want to make sure that he's taken out if they even think he's the village idiot. It doesn't guarantee that there's a possibility of ignoring the thread and going for someone else, but it would seem highly likely for them to halt losing altogether. (would be so embarrassing for town and mafia to have 2 VI's lynched) Killing BM today should be out of the question, and though I don't really want Xelin to be lynched he hasn't contributed and doesn't even want to explain or defend his position. Hopefully at the least he will flip a townie, mafia if we're really lucky, but I doubt it. Do you really feel Xelin is the strongest candidate for tonights lynch? He has a tenuous connection with Bill Murray and BB implied he might have a blue/red role. If BM is mafia then I'd say Xelin probably is as well but I don't want to risk lynching a blue until we have more information on BM if that makes sense. If Xelin is blue he should be doing a really shitty job at defending himself. He needs to do more especially if he knows how valuable his role is, if he is indeed blue. If he's green then it's less likely he will fight for his life, perhaps even less than if he were mafia. This passive behavior isn't right though. Xelin doesn't play like this.
Good, cuz I'm voting for him too.
My opinion
I need to go hop in the shower.
Anyway, Amber is clearly not playing as he usually does. He probably has come at me because his team could not kill me last night. They want me dead, and that's FAIRLY obvious by me taking a hit. To jump at me like that, then throw a vote on me for no reason, just because?
Look
On October 11 2010 22:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Don't worry dude I'm really frustrated. I don't understand how you could be completely (or just about completely) inactive when you have such a power role for the town. He should have been creating a lot of the town discussion and pointing fingers, but sometimes things don't work out as they should, so we move on.
I'm putting my votes on Xelin and Opz, not because I want them to be lynched, but because I don't want to be modkilled. I expressed my frustration over the double lynch and I'm not going to throw more townies under a bus, as some magic invisible hand has been doing this game. It's actually ridiculous how in THREE day cycles the discussion has literally spun from valid and sound choices to these obscure call-out votes.
I sense a lot of sheep in this game, and if you're listening to the loud mouth players you're already losing the game for us.
What?
POST YOR OWN Thoughts. You just waste your vote becase your mad about a double lynch. What kind of useless townie are you.
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On October 12 2010 07:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:34 infinitestory wrote:You addressed everything else, but you kinda dodged the main point against you, which was your unfounded aggression against OpZ. This main point is also probably the main reason for the vote train against you. On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. For a number of different reasons, already outlined in the thread, this is pretty illogical He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.
For the second lynch this implies that you've got OpZ down as lynch #1 in your head, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today. Instead of trying to justify this comment in your defense, you actually said that you didn't advocate lynching OpZ 100%, but rather wanted to keep us on our toes. I know I should be wary of OpZ lying, but it's pretty clear from the bolded parts of your statement that you want OpZ dead for one reason or another. On top of that, you voted OpZ and tried to say you were abstaining. I just don't see the logic behind it at all, and your defense didn't adequately cover this most pressing point. My stance on Opz hasn't really changed the whole game. Look at the posts I've made regarding Opz, most of which were subtle critical yet light in emotion. I respect Opz as a player and I usually align with him indirectly in most cases. I want people to be aware of every possibility presented against them, and Opz has given something valuable to the town. I don't want him dead and I'm not pushing for a bandwagon against him. If you want to keep arguing about posting habits since we have sooooo much information for this double lynch then go for it. It's not going to result in flipping mafia members since they're clearly not threatened. They're the ones acting calm and spitting out small tidbits of information to misguide the town. Did I do that? No. I didn't. I took the time to provide an example of a scenario when this type of claim has occured before. It's entirely possible that Opz is lying. If I wanted to "finish the job" why would I mysteriously push for him in a lynch when there's other candidates who could quite possibly be pro-town as well. I don't think anybody who's really been in the spotlight today is mafia, and this wealth of information isn't definite. We were promised to have an easy day for a double lynch, yet we're bickering until the last minute and new suspects are rising AFTER THE FACT.
Amber, stop arguing for your death. Post some analysis and I'll pull my vote off of you. Seriously. I will. I'm not being spiteful, I just feel you and Xelin are the most suspicious.
Would you like me to show you how your posting different. Watch this, it's about to blow your mind!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Amber[LighT]&gb=date
Make sure it filters TL Mafia forum. Click the games with hella frequent posts. Look what Amber is.
HP mafia particularly. You had like 200+ posts that one game!
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Where the hell have you been this game! I quoted damn near every posts. Who have you analyzed. Who have you looked at. My analysis wasn't quick. My words were concise.
Notice how Xelin isn't arguing about dying? Either he just never logs on (possible cuz he disappears randomly), or he is mafia.
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I'll probably be moving one of my votes to south actually....I gotta go read his defense, but this is my thoughts ATM. But I'm looking.
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Siniquity, you really need to format your posts better. BC please tell me ONE thing. Why did you vote for Amber?
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I'm insanely mad at Amber right now and can not correctly type and format a post right now. Amber, I fucking don't understand you so much right now. I mean I see where that was coming from...Anyway, lynch told us hell of a lot.
Vigi, if you exist hit BC.
=D
Considering Amber was BP, not Vet, We can assume I'm not BP. Now that leaves me to either have been Vet or Med prot'd. If I am vet, well, I'm out of night lives. So I think it's okay if I tell you guys how I'm alive. I posted before that someone out there knows I'm town. I was saved by a medic, which was insanely lucky. Thank you for whoever said I was a good protection candidate.
I see why Amber said I'd be useless as I'd of taken my hit. His posts make hella sense now. Fucccccck Amber FUUUUUUUUUCK. Why couldn't you of just role claimed. You'd of been PERFECT. and you were quiet as an UNKILLABLE?
Sorry.
Anyway, the importance of this now. To the medic that saved me, i'm 100% confirmed (unless a vig would like to step forward saying you hit me). Now, why I suspect BC. He went onto Amber with my wishy washy post that got him an ass of votes. I personally feel it wasn't that great of a post. Anyway, he allows that weak little points on Amber were enough. Maybe I'm doubting myself, but I would of laughed at that kind of analysis if I was BC. (See- pretty much any post by BC). Anyway, happy f'd up first, and BC f'd up second.
Amber. Fuck man you should of just claimed. Fuck I was out too late ><.
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Near time...I guess I'll point out BM is mafia.
And everyone that defended him. I'll bet good money on that. Bills trying to get a vet merc'd strategy.
Bill or BC. Hard to explain why right now. Too f'd up. Time running out.
Okay...Bills mass spamming. Easily expected of him. He's not likely to get lynched because of it. Bills willingness to get a vet player lynched, though arguable. We need to stop chucking things up to Bill being stupid, or something else. Maybe I'm just paranoid cuz I'm baked as fuck. But I'm gonna go lay down or chill out.
And about BC....Happy's posting, and...well BC is alive + BC not posting as ferociously as when he is town.
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Oh yea. I forgot about that. Haha....I'm paranoid as fuck.
Nvm...Haha...I need to update my town/mafia list.
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On October 13 2010 11:50 Bill Murray wrote:
i would say that as mafia
lynch me
then lynch opz and bc when im green
problem solved said the boy who cried wolf
No sir. But I was kinda hoping mafia offed me day 1. I'm fine with BC lynch though. I've done explained I'm suspicious of him.
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i kinda feel the detective should step forward....but he really shouldnt. clearly the detective is playing decently being still alive and shit. detective, you should of checked siniquityor south last night.....
i really wish i knew who he was because he needs to be making large posts explaining why he "thinks" someone is protown, or about why he thinks someone is mafia....
I'll probably vote siniquity with you BC.
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voting south is fine. we've seen much better play from him. posting from class right now on my phone.
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oh. and im 99% confirmed. no body mentioned that. two people died so no one was poisoned. thank you medic.
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On October 15 2010 15:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 15:04 kingjames01 wrote:
Why didn't Crisis_ claim?? That would have put you guys back in the game. Since everyone was suspicious of BC anyway, it would have been an easy lynch. We (mafia) wouldn't have been able to save him. We were discussing the possibility of trying to save him but I think that would have put us all at risk... I told you guys to just let me cause a ruccus if they came out with a check on me. Also, wtf hatter? why was a bomb on drH and not me.
I was fine with Killing you. I should of just pressed the issue. Just work really getting to me, I need to take a break from mafia. -___-
Funny thing, yesterday when I said "I really think the detective should claim his checks" then I see that shit.....OMFG
Ty medic. I'm sorry Bill.
AND F U DRH, I knew you were mafia, BUT THERE WAS NOOOOOOOOOOOTHING I COULD DO.
omg. I swear.
I had this shit typed up on you. I looked at it. Went through former games. Looked at it again. and was like "Fuck man...I'll never convince anyone of shit....And maaaaaaaybe he is town....yea....Maybe....Fuck"
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I mean seriously....How do you say "Yo...He's too protown, lets lynch him" and he was even returned detective.
Crisis_ chose to investigate BC (returned Poisoner)
DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE
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