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The insinutation that I have a "role" due to not being modkilled is illfounded, theres arguments for it obviously, but treating it as an assumption is flawed. | ||
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I don't really mind, it's making me feel special, but the logic underlying the assumption that I must be a blue or a red role due to what happened is flawed. | ||
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"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie" Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant. | ||
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Unless Brownbear used different formating for individual PM's, but I think this is unlikely. As of now I'm going to agree with voting for Bloody based on this. | ||
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and Amber I am not siding with Bill in any way, all I am saying is I consider him a Town player. That doesn't mean I am agreeing with his arguments, suspicions or general style of play, but from what he has typed he is fairly clearly a Green, town player. | ||
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To briefly outline a few things however. I believe Bill to be 100% Green Town I am suspicious of the assertion that both Brown and Artanis sent out role PM's, my inclination is to think only Brown did My vote on Bloody was initially a more sincere one, now it is a placeholder whilst I evaluate, if it makes any of you feel more comfortable I'll change it to myself Divinek likes to say fuck | ||
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I know this will sound a little hmm arrogant or presumptuous maybe, but for the sake of clarity: if anyone has any specific questions about my play, conduct, arguments or actions that they would like me to directly answer then please state them clearly and I will do so . I'm the most likely to be lynched atm, so plz humor me xD | ||
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On October 08 2010 07:05 LSB wrote: (I didn't read much of the spammy part, so please excuse me if you already awnsered/addressed this) I'm just wondering. Why did you keep on posting about PMs, when BB went out and told people to stop doing that? I have come to some conclusions based upon the talk that has surrounded the whole PM debacle. When I mention or refer to them I do not mention anything that has not already been publically stated in this thread for everyone to see. | ||
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On October 08 2010 12:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This post saying “I wont defend myself unless you ask me directly now” is a clever way of dodging all the previous comments and concerns. This is the type of idiocy that I was trying to fight against by making that post. I am and was at the time of writing it fed up with the amount of vague assertions being spewed about by people attempting to paint me as red. They are fairly hard to respond to because, as Ghur has rather expertly illustrated in his post, it just runs as a collection of opinion. "XeliN jumps out to defend Bill Murray" "Randomly tries to get Bloody lynched with poor or no reasoning" etc. These are simply claims, so what do I do to try to stop dumb people making these claims, or at least stop them from simply stating them asif they are established fact? I offer to answer any query or suspicion people have about my play if they only have the courtesy to ask me directly so I can clearly explain my position. So far hardly anyone has done so, bloody even has the audacity to state I am dodging, in spite of the fact every single thing he wrote could have easily been posed as a question to me instead of him trying to influence the opinion of others yet not actually caring for a response. And also the word is definitely "Town". | ||
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The only way I would come out openly about being 100% assured that Bill is a Green Town player is if I was also a Green Town player and could see right off the bat what he was attempting to achieve in his PM shenanigans. | ||
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Now the extent to which I have "supported bill" is that I, from an early stage, claimed him to be 100% Green Town in my eyes. I agree the PM shenanigans should be dropped but in order to actually explain my position on why I think Bill is clearly town I need to mention the PM stuff that went on. Otherwise It's going to be quite difficult to respond to people who state something like "Came out and supported bill with no evidence or reasoning...." The entire "evidence" and reasoning is, as I have already mentioned, because I could immediately see what Bill was trying to achieve in his PM talk. The PM stuff is inextricably linked with that. If people will stop using my "support" of bill as an argument for my lynch then I will stop making reference to things that happened earlier in the thread. | ||
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On October 08 2010 17:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: how do they have any merit when you couldn't possibly trap anyone with them considering both terms were used in role PM's? Well for example some, such as I, will be able to form an opinion of Bill alignment. Also earlier in the thread when put under pressure by Bill some people seem people seemed very reluctant and almost dodging the issue when asked. Such a reaction would certainly be consistent with a mafia player being put under pressure to pretend to be a role they are not but try not to get caught in a lie. it's mainly useful for determining towns people as the reaction given by some makes it quite likely they are Town. I agree with you though using it as evidence of people being trapped definitively doesn't work due to the fact we do not know how all of the PM's were phrased. | ||
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On October 08 2010 17:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I suspect Xelin and cynanmachae of being red or blue, For what reasons do you think I am Red or Blue. Outline your thought process behind the suspicion. | ||
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At the time I found it quite suspicious and suspected it might have been a mafia invention in order to get out of what might have been viewed as an unfair position, I was apparently wrong and both did send out the PM's. Obviously back when I wrote that post if I had been told that Artanis did not send out PM's i'd of had quite alot to say... | ||
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On October 08 2010 17:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i could be a 10 year old asian girl And I could be your friends older brother, and you've come round but only I'm in and your wearing... Mafia arn't the only type of predator that is fun to roleplay! | ||
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On October 09 2010 03:06 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Xelin - Very suspicious because of his support of BM and continued use of the whole PM junk Ok, This hypocrisy is rlly irritating me right now. You cannot get away with calling me out as being suspicious in this way. The only way I can respond to your post is by using a line of argument and subject matter that has been forbidden me. What Nuke is doing here IS continuing the banned subject matter in just the same way as I am alleged to be doing so. Surely I am not the only one that recognises this. To try to illustrate why, the response to this might show it better Nuke, explain fully what I am suspicious based on the reasons you stated, outline explicitely what you mean, the logical reasons why and the deductions you have drawn. | ||
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First off its not hypocrisy. If I was making arguments about the syntax of PMs after brown bear banned it It would be hypocritical, but I am not. What I am making an argument about is how you continued to make a big deal about the syntax of PMs after brown bear banned it. In any case I will not make anymore arguments relating to anything about PMs for the rest of the game. The one biggest piece of evidence remaining after you disregard anything involving PM is this. No you are not making any type of argument in the slightest. You are simply saying "this is suspicious" there is no argument there whatsoever. "What I am making is an argument about how you continued to...." where is the argument your making? the idea is that you are trying to establish that my involvement in the PM stuff somehow makes me suspicious in your eyes but in no way at all have you outlined an argument as to why this is On October 08 2010 05:22 XeliN wrote: I'll make a concise post addressing all of you wonderful people questioning me in a little bit, currently I am waiting on a piece of information. To briefly outline a few things however. I believe Bill to be 100% Green Town I am suspicious of the assertion that both Brown and Artanis sent out role PM's, my inclination is to think only Brown did My vote on Bloody was initially a more sincere one, now it is a placeholder whilst I evaluate, if it makes any of you feel more comfortable I'll change it to myself Divinek likes to say fuck Now if you agree, and think bill is just an annoying green then there is nothing really noteworthy about this post. If you disagree, like many players do, then it is quite interesting. First off everyone should always be suspicious of everyone else, and yet you are not. you are 100% sure that he is green. Even if you were the DT, you would not have investigated yet so you couldn't be sure. The only group of people that are sure about identities is the mafia are 100% sure who their allies are, so to me throwing your lots in with someone that strongly is quite suspicious. Now this alone is not enough to really get me hounding after your blood, and accusing you of being red. It is enough to get me to keep a very close eye on you and to try and get others to do so as well. [/QUOTE] I have already mentioned why I consider bill to be town aligned. If you disagree with my reasoning where I outlined why then respond to it. Don't just state "Considering anyone town is suspicious, you should be suspicious of everyone" and ignore the reasons I have given as to how I arrived at this position. (ofc you should be ignoring the reasons why I arrived at this position due to them being outlawed but therin lies my point that you are, perhaps inadvertantly, continuing the banned stuff by posting what you have) | ||
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First off its not hypocrisy. If I was making arguments about the syntax of PMs after brown bear banned it It would be hypocritical, but I am not. What I am making an argument about is how you continued to make a big deal about the syntax of PMs after brown bear banned it. In any case I will not make anymore arguments relating to anything about PMs for the rest of the game. The one biggest piece of evidence remaining after you disregard anything involving PM is this. No you are not making any type of argument in the slightest. You are simply saying "this is suspicious" there is no argument there whatsoever. "What I am making is an argument about how you continued to...." where is the argument your making? the idea is that you are trying to establish that my involvement in the PM stuff somehow makes me suspicious in your eyes but in no way at all have you outlined an argument as to why this is Now if you agree, and think bill is just an annoying green then there is nothing really noteworthy about this post. If you disagree, like many players do, then it is quite interesting. First off everyone should always be suspicious of everyone else, and yet you are not. you are 100% sure that he is green. Even if you were the DT, you would not have investigated yet so you couldn't be sure. The only group of people that are sure about identities is the mafia are 100% sure who their allies are, so to me throwing your lots in with someone that strongly is quite suspicious. Now this alone is not enough to really get me hounding after your blood, and accusing you of being red. It is enough to get me to keep a very close eye on you and to try and get others to do so as well. I have already mentioned why I consider bill to be town aligned. If you disagree with my reasoning where I outlined why then respond to it. Don't just state "Considering anyone town is suspicious, you should be suspicious of everyone" and ignore the reasons I have given as to how I arrived at this position. (ofc you should be ignoring the reasons why I arrived at this position due to them being outlawed but therin lies my point that you are, perhaps inadvertantly, continuing the banned stuff by posting what you have) | ||
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At best you've outlined inconsistency in what he's posted, but going from that to the claim he is definately mafia is quite a stretch to me and I'm abit suprised you've jumped to the assumption. This is purely in response to your analysis on him, I'm not saying I consider to be, or not to be mafia. | ||
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There seems to be a large number of people that think Bill is both unlikely to be mafia yet also think he would be a good lynch. This is plain idiocy, there are not many situations where lynching a town player is beneficial to the towns interest objectively and this is not one of them. | ||
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ie. look at the posts Dr was making before it as quite clearly I was responding to him. | ||
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On October 11 2010 04:52 kane]deth[ wrote: Xelin seemed to be weak and uninspired This is exactly how I feel this game. | ||
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