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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
September 08 2010 13:35 GMT
#12
/in
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
September 23 2010 23:09 GMT
#142
you can't just start with 20? you're gonna make us all ninjas or something anyway.

oh yah i predict the future... deal with it
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 23:48:28
October 01 2010 23:48 GMT
#184
On October 02 2010 08:18 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I definitely can make time for at least an hour each day since I'm really enthusiastic about trying out this game. =) The day cycles are going to be 48 hours in length so that will give me plenty of opportunity to stay current with the progress of the game.


you definitely shouldn't require more than an hour per day to read everything to make an informed decision. Just don't use the "I'm inactive card" when analysis is done against you
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 04 2010 03:49 GMT
#213
So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:

We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can:
-Randomly Pick
-Pick an Inactive
-Pick an Active

I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!

It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.

Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.

I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does).
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 04 2010 13:21 GMT
#222
On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote:


Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job.

Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world.

Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway.
.


No. No. AND No.

Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2.

The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure.

Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you.

Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem:

On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote:
So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:

We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can:
-Randomly Pick
-Pick an Inactive
-Pick an Active

I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!

It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.

Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.

I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does).

...Wow....obviously.... -______-



Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 04 2010 13:27 GMT
#223
Pandains post:


+ Show Spoiler +
On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote:
Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose.

Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel.
DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to
1.People acting out of character
2.Lurking people
Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit

Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them.

Mad Hatter
This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia.
However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it.
Vigilante
The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone.
But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia.

But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things.
1. Lynch an inactive
2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e)
3.Lynch a suspicious person
In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia.
I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons
1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies)
2.Forces people to get talking
3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2)
Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least.


Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out.

I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from.

I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 04 2010 13:28 GMT
#224
above post:

others you think are not secure.


It's early t.t
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 05 2010 11:38 GMT
#252
On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow.

Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM!
On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:
I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum.

I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie.


As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies.

K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_....



How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since:

1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum.

2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives.


I would highly suggest being careful about how you analyze for the rest of the game. You're in for a full-on assault from Opz now. Shitlisted!!!

So half the town just isn't aware of the game going on right now? We need the other 12+ players to contribute...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 05 2010 17:19 GMT
#269
On October 06 2010 00:48 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote:
On October 05 2010 22:57 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Here is the list of people that have not posted so far, so we can get an idea of who the inactives are

1. JeeJee
2. bumatlarge
3. Bill Murray
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
15.infinitestory
16.cSc
20.drag_
21.CynanMachine

I did not count 1 line post with no real content. A bit less then half the people have posted by now with most of the content from a small group of people(~OpZ~,Amber[LighT].Divinek and Misder and some others) If we choose to vote inactive, we currently have quite the pool to choose from


Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game.

I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not.


Well... I won't discourage your posting, since anything is useful at this point... but the DT can't even act until Night 2... so if you are attempting to aid the blue roles in making decisions, try the medic

On that note... not only cops but I think protective roles should read up on http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop like Infund suggested... just to mess with the red's heads a little more... please don't be obvious about tells but just keep them in mind.

Of that list... the only ones that strike me as odd are JeeJee and Xelin, since I think they're usually around. Perhaps because of the late start, BrownBear should send them little nudges through PM's that the games started?


True we should probably work on making sure that the medic is set up. It wouldn't surprise me if an inactive is the medic since it makes no sense for active players to risk getting killed while at the same time providing the town with insight. That should be done by the townies (who a bunch are still snoozing!!!!!).

The top 5 on that list will probably speak by the end of the day. Due to past mafia experience they always maintain a low presence and will erupt come tomorrow as though this massive amount of information will be gathered by tomorrow.

I'm interested to hear about why we should lynch certain people though. I mean the current active town can just hang out and start spitting out names of inactive players but you should be defending your right to stay alive through this lynch....

I'm still on the fence as to how this vote should go, but we need to have a decent plan going into day 2 as well for how voting procedure should take place. This could happen tomorrow when the other players decide to finally become active.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 06 2010 03:29 GMT
#411
I don't think lynching Protactinium is a good idea. It's obvious there's a bandwagon vote going on and most of the hesitation is because of pages 15-17... not really anything to get up in arms over. Definitely should consider other players.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 06 2010 13:28 GMT
#520
well done with the VI lynch... maybe people will stop ignoring my posts when I say that obvious stupid bandwagons were forming and to STOP THEM. What happened in day 1 is no surprise the town didn't organize properly, and too many people are sitting idly twiddling their thumbs.

Bill Murray should never be taken seriously. He's obviously playing irrationally trying to get people to lynch someone on a name-basis. RE-READ PAGES 15-17 and keep him on your radar!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 07 2010 14:09 GMT
#678
Xelin are you serious? Bill Murray has done nothing but spew bullshit this entire thread and all of a sudden you "side with him" because of town/townie? You've played mafia games with BM before, and you're going to side with him? This is the same crap he pulls every game. I wake up and I open up FF to see the night post and follow-up posts between midnight and now. I see "TL MAFIA XXXI" and I'm like "cool it's been active." I click the thread and I remembered leaving off at page 27. Now it's 7 pages later and I got excited. The town was active! They are posting! I read about 2 pages in and realize how Day 2 was starting off. I pretty much went from :-D, to :-), to :-?, to >:|, to >:/, to "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" in about 5 minutes. I'm sitting here thinking, "could it get any worse?" Oh it does. Xelin you're going to defend BM on this and lynch a high-tier player? You know the only reason BM is doing this is because it's BC, not because HFT managed to fuck up and not vote. I can't side with an argument that has no concrete evidence.

Now I also notice that BM is praising his lynch on the VI. You dumb bro? That was supposed to be game over. You managed to fuck the game up within 24 hours, and now you continue hacking away at players fishing for roles, like you always do. Luckily this is a non-PM game so you can't harass us like the last time, so I guess your only outlet is this thread.

SERIOUSLY STOP THE SPAM.

Just gonna say this if we just lynched BM on Day 1 like I subtly suggested this would have never happened:
1. VI wouldn't have been killed.
2. BC/OPZ/DrH wouldn't be on the chopping block
3. Thread would be about 4 pages less and more read-able and less frustrating.
4. Xelin wouldn't stick his head out (what is this all about?)


To be honest I don't even think any of the 5 people I've listed are mafia, it's just inner-town squabbles. You gotta remember that not everyone got a "townie PM" anyway so lynching based upon Artanis/BB's noun choices is laughable. And If that happens I'm gonna pretty much stop playing because that's just nonsense (and it will be the 2nd time in a row in this game we've allowed noise to clutter up the voting thread.)
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 07 2010 20:28 GMT
#702
On October 08 2010 05:04 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 04:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 08 2010 04:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On October 07 2010 22:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 07 2010 16:47 XeliN wrote:
In fact it's not even "my take" it's blatantly what he actually means as he frequently say's

"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie"

Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant.


Hey go read the thread, but hell Ill even quote my post that fucked BM's entire argument over about me

On October 07 2010 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 07 2010 15:11 Bill Murray wrote:
Just give up, bro, you're wasting your energy. Everyone who is "town " in their ROLE PM knows you are a fraud


And anyone would also realize that TOWN is the side you belong to.

Your actual role is Citizen.

So your arguing a flawed point as the point you are making IS WRONG

hell, also to argue your "YOU CAUGHT ME" point more

On October 07 2010 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 07 2010 14:49 Bill Murray wrote:
that someone is you. Happy.Fairytale is you. Are you disputing that? you replaced into his slot. That's you. Deal with it.

I'm not going to stop spamming until you claim either
a) town
b) townie
c) you don't claim and we lynch you to see what you'll flip



I'm town, and you already know that. I didn't disagree that I filled his slot, I do disagree with the specific reasons you weighed against me as you know damn well your lying and I will recommend any of the newer players to go check the previous games to catch you on that.

Your contradiction of hft is also laughable as your having issues with someone having time to do analysis up until they got swapped out. Who cares if he missed 12 hours? Until the last minute vote swing you did in a 4 hour period there was nothing he would have missed.

Now seriously stop spamming, you've been warned for it in previous games as well as near modkilled for it so stop it and make detailed posts.


Oh look, I claimed what you wanted before you called me out on calling you out on bullshit.

Stop cherry picking posts. I have refuted your nonsense at every step and now your getting desperate kid.


second nested quote, bolded text and youll see I said Town. This was before I argued with bill. As I said, to him and I'll say to you, stop cherry picking posts. You know exactly what Bill was attempting to do, and are agreeing with his logic that got shot to pieces by two people already.

I have already refuted BM's post above me, as well as all of the crap associated with it.

Actually, this is a blatant lie
that's not what he meant at all
he was saying "town" as a whole.
He is fucking mafia, because he is slow in the head, and it took him like 3 pages to realize my trap


Rofl.

Quit it dude. Your now arguing the same points everyone was arguing against you when you said we were wrong. Going after me for this shows a level of hypocrisy that I figured even you would avoid.

Yet another blatant misrepresentation of factual information
your mafia "game" is build upon weak lies
Your town game is great, but your mafia play is terrible.
I don't see how other people can't see through it.

Protactinium/Flamewheel was acting EXACTLY like he does as mafia. I lynched him for acting like he does as mafia. It's easy to act like mafia when you are fucking anti-town.


I really think you are giving yourself way too much credit for what you did. He wasn't acting like he was mafia, he was acting like an idiot, and you bought it.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 07 2010 23:30 GMT
#743
On October 08 2010 07:21 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:08 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:57 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:50 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:45 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
[quote]

or he'll be village idiot and bill murray wins and we lose.

why should we put our chance of winning this game in the hands of the mafia? we are not lynching someone who is a big candidate for village idiot. we are not doing that.

We wouldn't be placing the game in the hands of the mafia. The mafia would want to kill BM at night as much as we do.

The point is, the only reason why the mafia wouldn't kill BM is if BM is mafia.

or because town isn't going to lynch a village idiot and they don't need to kill him in the first place


I find it quiet hard to believe that there are two VI's in this game.

So what would we do about BM? We can't just ignore him

Vig hit, we've already went over this

Small concern: What if it turns out BM is vet? We lose Vigi powers.

Big concern: Having the Vig kill BM doesn't help out the town at all

It's better to have the Mafia do the dirty work for us than for us to have to do it ourselves.
Essentially we are reducing mafia KP for a night. More people are alive. Yay!


We don't decide what the mafia does. What you don't understand is that the only way this puts mafia in a corner is IF bill murray is mafia

if bill murray isn't mafia they are sitting back and laughing at the pressure while we are essentially saying "if you don't kill this town player we will". if we have reason to believe he is the village idiot than lynching him is stupid


Bill Murray is going to be dead no matter what if he is mafia. Doesn't change the situation for the Mafia at all O.O
If Bill Murray is mafia, mafia is probably cutting losses right now and bandwagoning him.

On the other hand, if Bill Murray isn't mafia, they will kill him. They have to decide between losing the game and using a KP. Obviously they are going to use a KP. If they sit back and laugh they will lose.


so lets clarify you are saying

if mafia doesn't kill bill murray we will lynch him and because he is the VI mafia will lose?

if bill murray isn't mafia and the mafia doesn't kill him what does the mafia stand to lose that we don't? in that scenario both the mafia and the town are under equal pressure and the mafia have the upper hand because they know bill isn't red and we don't

We both agree that if Bill Murray is mafia, there is no difference in the plan.
The point of disagreement is what the mafia would do.

Okay, I have no idea how you're approaching the problem. But I think we aren't on the same page. I'll just explain it again. Think of incentives from the Mafia's point of view.


Assume we are following through with our plan.
It's Night 2.
Mafia knows that Bill Murray isn't one of them.
They either have two options

1) Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is a townie, its business as usually. If Bill Murray is VI they adverted disaster
2) Don't Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is townie, nothing really happens as the town will just double lynch. If Bill Murrary is VI, the town would lynch Bill Murrary, thinking that Bill Murrary is red.

Mafia will find that option 1 is preferable. Option 2 they have a chance of loosing. Option 1 they kill someone that doesn't reveal to the town much information about the mafia.



As for the Town.
It's Day 3.
From our incentive analysis, we realize that if Bill Murrary was green/VI, mafia would have killed him. So if Bill Murrary is green, we wake up with his death post.

If Bill Murrary was red, Mafia wouldn't have killed him. So we know that he is red. So we lynch him and we take out a mafia.

What this plan does is exploit the fact that the mafia knows whether or not Bill Murray is red
Mafia basically knows Bill Murray's role. We don't. So we force the mafia to reveal this information.



I agree with this 100%. This will give us a better answer then having a vigilante kill him. Mafia will want to make sure that he's taken out if they even think he's the village idiot. It doesn't guarantee that there's a possibility of ignoring the thread and going for someone else, but it would seem highly likely for them to halt losing altogether. (would be so embarrassing for town and mafia to have 2 VI's lynched)

Killing BM today should be out of the question, and though I don't really want Xelin to be lynched he hasn't contributed and doesn't even want to explain or defend his position. Hopefully at the least he will flip a townie, mafia if we're really lucky, but I doubt it.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 08 2010 00:06 GMT
#746
On October 08 2010 08:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On October 08 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:21 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:08 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:57 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:50 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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or because town isn't going to lynch a village idiot and they don't need to kill him in the first place


I find it quiet hard to believe that there are two VI's in this game.

So what would we do about BM? We can't just ignore him

Vig hit, we've already went over this

Small concern: What if it turns out BM is vet? We lose Vigi powers.

Big concern: Having the Vig kill BM doesn't help out the town at all

It's better to have the Mafia do the dirty work for us than for us to have to do it ourselves.
Essentially we are reducing mafia KP for a night. More people are alive. Yay!


We don't decide what the mafia does. What you don't understand is that the only way this puts mafia in a corner is IF bill murray is mafia

if bill murray isn't mafia they are sitting back and laughing at the pressure while we are essentially saying "if you don't kill this town player we will". if we have reason to believe he is the village idiot than lynching him is stupid


Bill Murray is going to be dead no matter what if he is mafia. Doesn't change the situation for the Mafia at all O.O
If Bill Murray is mafia, mafia is probably cutting losses right now and bandwagoning him.

On the other hand, if Bill Murray isn't mafia, they will kill him. They have to decide between losing the game and using a KP. Obviously they are going to use a KP. If they sit back and laugh they will lose.


so lets clarify you are saying

if mafia doesn't kill bill murray we will lynch him and because he is the VI mafia will lose?

if bill murray isn't mafia and the mafia doesn't kill him what does the mafia stand to lose that we don't? in that scenario both the mafia and the town are under equal pressure and the mafia have the upper hand because they know bill isn't red and we don't

We both agree that if Bill Murray is mafia, there is no difference in the plan.
The point of disagreement is what the mafia would do.

Okay, I have no idea how you're approaching the problem. But I think we aren't on the same page. I'll just explain it again. Think of incentives from the Mafia's point of view.


Assume we are following through with our plan.
It's Night 2.
Mafia knows that Bill Murray isn't one of them.
They either have two options

1) Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is a townie, its business as usually. If Bill Murray is VI they adverted disaster
2) Don't Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is townie, nothing really happens as the town will just double lynch. If Bill Murrary is VI, the town would lynch Bill Murrary, thinking that Bill Murrary is red.

Mafia will find that option 1 is preferable. Option 2 they have a chance of loosing. Option 1 they kill someone that doesn't reveal to the town much information about the mafia.



As for the Town.
It's Day 3.
From our incentive analysis, we realize that if Bill Murrary was green/VI, mafia would have killed him. So if Bill Murrary is green, we wake up with his death post.

If Bill Murrary was red, Mafia wouldn't have killed him. So we know that he is red. So we lynch him and we take out a mafia.

What this plan does is exploit the fact that the mafia knows whether or not Bill Murray is red
Mafia basically knows Bill Murray's role. We don't. So we force the mafia to reveal this information.



I agree with this 100%. This will give us a better answer then having a vigilante kill him. Mafia will want to make sure that he's taken out if they even think he's the village idiot. It doesn't guarantee that there's a possibility of ignoring the thread and going for someone else, but it would seem highly likely for them to halt losing altogether. (would be so embarrassing for town and mafia to have 2 VI's lynched)

Killing BM today should be out of the question, and though I don't really want Xelin to be lynched he hasn't contributed and doesn't even want to explain or defend his position. Hopefully at the least he will flip a townie, mafia if we're really lucky, but I doubt it.


Do you really feel Xelin is the strongest candidate for tonights lynch? He has a tenuous connection with Bill Murray and BB implied he might have a blue/red role. If BM is mafia then I'd say Xelin probably is as well but I don't want to risk lynching a blue until we have more information on BM if that makes sense.


If Xelin is blue he should be doing a really shitty job at defending himself. He needs to do more especially if he knows how valuable his role is, if he is indeed blue. If he's green then it's less likely he will fight for his life, perhaps even less than if he were mafia.

This passive behavior isn't right though. Xelin doesn't play like this.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 08 2010 13:52 GMT
#824
I am going to wake up. I put my vote on Bill Murray because I feel like we get information out of his flip, and I feel he has a good chance of being red based upon his behavior.

you see what I did?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 08 2010 13:53 GMT
#825
And lol I'm not voting for a double lynch. That's just nonsense. We're never going to have enough information by tomorrow to lynch two mafioso's. We will probably hit pro-town players.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 10 2010 14:59 GMT
#995
Can someone explain to me why we voted for a double lynch? I could have sworn we were going to get this insane amount of information, yet from what it seems we're still running around with our heads cut off.

Like what the hell happened yesterday? The day seemed pretty cut and dry. Vote Xelin and then see if mafia touches BM. Was this plan not sound? Then someone suggested a double lynch. I wasn't keen on the idea of doing this, and I vocally said going for a double lynch so early was a terrible idea.

So now we didn't lynch Xelin, but instead went for someone who wasn't even being discussed until the last 12 hours of the day (since I checked frequently up until then). What seems to be the plan? Where does Xelin sit on the list? BM? Did we just forget about them.

There is one thing I want to raise as suspicion, and everyone should consider this:

On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night.


I'm HIGHLY suspicious of this since we can't really check. Not only do I find it fishy that he would say this, but it's also weird that we would have 2 veterans with the possibility of a bulletproof in this game. It would seem that in a game this small it's more likely that only one person would fulfill each role, at the most. It makes no sense to stack roles like Veterans in this game, since our last veteran that died obviously had no clue how to use his role. However I will say that I am not suspcious of Opz because if he is a Veteran, he used the role very well, and his posts should be looked at to see who he targeted, if there's any relevant posts.

But I want everyone to mull over this. Our friend, BC, used the same tactic in another mafia game and it ruined the town for about 2 days because we didn't act!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=81#1610

Cliffs: BC claimed to be protected by a medic on Night 2. We played along and didn't act upon this claim. He then went on to completely obliterate the town in the subsequent days in BM's game.

Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.

For the second lynch, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 10 2010 15:42 GMT
#1000
On October 10 2010 23:41 LSB wrote:
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On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night.

Vet? Or Bulletproof? Or doc?

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On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:
On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:


Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o
On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night.




err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know.

Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily!

We'll find that out by tomorrow. Anyways its a dumb idea for mafia to claim to be hit. If a person is poisoned tomorrow, we can easily lynch OpZ

Basically we know that OpZ is blue. Unless of course doc protected him, but I don't know if he gets notification


Read above. It's definitely possible especially when the mafia has such a good control over the game, and they do right now.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 11 2010 13:10 GMT
#1034
Don't worry dude I'm really frustrated. I don't understand how you could be completely (or just about completely) inactive when you have such a power role for the town. He should have been creating a lot of the town discussion and pointing fingers, but sometimes things don't work out as they should, so we move on.

I'm putting my votes on Xelin and Opz, not because I want them to be lynched, but because I don't want to be modkilled. I expressed my frustration over the double lynch and I'm not going to throw more townies under a bus, as some magic invisible hand has been doing this game. It's actually ridiculous how in THREE day cycles the discussion has literally spun from valid and sound choices to these obscure call-out votes.

I sense a lot of sheep in this game, and if you're listening to the loud mouth players you're already losing the game for us.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 11 2010 17:09 GMT
#1037
So does SouthRawrea think we can't see him posting in another game? Seems stupid to not come in and defend yourself in this game since he's STILL ALIVE.

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 11 2010 22:17 GMT
#1052
On October 12 2010 05:54 LSB wrote:
SR's response to
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- Indicates that he opposes lynching inactives because the "town will bandwagon"
- Justifies Misder's choice to lynch inactives

Removes that suspicion I had on my mind, which was the main thing I was worrying about. Kingjames's accusation did seem a bit too good to be true



Okay, as for my vote. I'm going to splice my vote so it's most likely going to hit a mafia. Notice that if we just kill one mafia, their KP goes down by one.
Firstly, I'm going to stick to attacking Bill Murray. Bill Murray's plan was a horrendous flop. Literally all it does is shows the mafia who is blue. (Ie the people not speaking up). I can't believe I wasn't on at that time, but it's an immediate FOS for me.

Also take a look at Amber_Light.
Firstly, what's up with voting for Xelin and Opz? Amber_Light is indicating that he wants to abstain, but Xelin right now is under a big bandwagon, and I don't like this "abstain" vote that might off someone.
Secondly,
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Opz wrote

Should Xelin not be sticking his head out? His analysis and his opinions have generally been good. So why isn't he helping us right now? Notice you attack xelin and then defend him. Same with BM. I don't get it. What do you want us to do? You're giving no direction. You are keeping us in a circle, and I don't like it. You need to go.


One problem. Maybe Amber_Light is medic and that's why he is accusing OpZ. I'm more inclined to believe Opz than Amber_Light, simply because the risks that Opz has to take in order to fake claim.



Lastly, check this out
Bill Murray attacks Amber
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On October 12 2010 04:41 Bill Murray wrote:
pretty good case on amber, opz
considering voting him, possibly even instead of BC. BC has been seeming town moreso to me lately

Amber wants Bill dead
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On October 08 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:21 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:08 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:57 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:50 LSB wrote:
On October 08 2010 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
[quote]
or because town isn't going to lynch a village idiot and they don't need to kill him in the first place


I find it quiet hard to believe that there are two VI's in this game.

So what would we do about BM? We can't just ignore him

Vig hit, we've already went over this

Small concern: What if it turns out BM is vet? We lose Vigi powers.

Big concern: Having the Vig kill BM doesn't help out the town at all

It's better to have the Mafia do the dirty work for us than for us to have to do it ourselves.
Essentially we are reducing mafia KP for a night. More people are alive. Yay!


We don't decide what the mafia does. What you don't understand is that the only way this puts mafia in a corner is IF bill murray is mafia

if bill murray isn't mafia they are sitting back and laughing at the pressure while we are essentially saying "if you don't kill this town player we will". if we have reason to believe he is the village idiot than lynching him is stupid


Bill Murray is going to be dead no matter what if he is mafia. Doesn't change the situation for the Mafia at all O.O
If Bill Murray is mafia, mafia is probably cutting losses right now and bandwagoning him.

On the other hand, if Bill Murray isn't mafia, they will kill him. They have to decide between losing the game and using a KP. Obviously they are going to use a KP. If they sit back and laugh they will lose.


so lets clarify you are saying

if mafia doesn't kill bill murray we will lynch him and because he is the VI mafia will lose?

if bill murray isn't mafia and the mafia doesn't kill him what does the mafia stand to lose that we don't? in that scenario both the mafia and the town are under equal pressure and the mafia have the upper hand because they know bill isn't red and we don't

We both agree that if Bill Murray is mafia, there is no difference in the plan.
The point of disagreement is what the mafia would do.

Okay, I have no idea how you're approaching the problem. But I think we aren't on the same page. I'll just explain it again. Think of incentives from the Mafia's point of view.


Assume we are following through with our plan.
It's Night 2.
Mafia knows that Bill Murray isn't one of them.
They either have two options

1) Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is a townie, its business as usually. If Bill Murray is VI they adverted disaster
2) Don't Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is townie, nothing really happens as the town will just double lynch. If Bill Murrary is VI, the town would lynch Bill Murrary, thinking that Bill Murrary is red.

Mafia will find that option 1 is preferable. Option 2 they have a chance of loosing. Option 1 they kill someone that doesn't reveal to the town much information about the mafia.



As for the Town.
It's Day 3.
From our incentive analysis, we realize that if Bill Murrary was green/VI, mafia would have killed him. So if Bill Murrary is green, we wake up with his death post.

If Bill Murrary was red, Mafia wouldn't have killed him. So we know that he is red. So we lynch him and we take out a mafia.

What this plan does is exploit the fact that the mafia knows whether or not Bill Murray is red
Mafia basically knows Bill Murray's role. We don't. So we force the mafia to reveal this information.



I agree with this 100%. This will give us a better answer then having a vigilante kill him. Mafia will want to make sure that he's taken out if they even think he's the village idiot. It doesn't guarantee that there's a possibility of ignoring the thread and going for someone else, but it would seem highly likely for them to halt losing altogether. (would be so embarrassing for town and mafia to have 2 VI's lynched)

Killing BM today should be out of the question, and though I don't really want Xelin to be lynched he hasn't contributed and doesn't even want to explain or defend his position. Hopefully at the least he will flip a townie, mafia if we're really lucky, but I doubt it.

Note that there are 5 mafia in the game, that means at least one of the bandwagons is probably mafia sponsored.
Well, since they are attacking each other, I'm pretty sure that only one of the bandwagons is mafia sponsored. And so I'll split my vote to push for the town bandwagon.



Xelin probably should have died yesterday. I'm indifferent whether you think it's weird that I'm "abstaining" on somebody who is leading in votes, but I said that I thought he should be lynched, and I was against the double lynch. If we had to pick ONE person to lynch today, I would still vote for Xelin.

I "wanted BM dead" if the mafia was left to do it or if a vigilante was feeling daring. There's no reason to really lynch BM and I never felt strongly to want him dead via a lynch. I wouldn't even really read into what BM is doing to be honest. He's just agreeing with the flavor of the week since he can't spam anymore. This won't end well if I get lynched, and people will look to him next because of his awful judgment and misguided perception of players, but hey what do I know, Opz obviously proved indefinitely that I must be mafia since I not once agreed on any vote-train and now I'm challenging something that Opz said.

I'm not playing how I usually do? How do I play that's differing from what I'm doing? You haven't proven that I'm playing any differently, but instead you're weaving in dramatic suspicion about my play-style because you realized every post I made is as pro-town as it gets. I've been playing pro-town the whole game and if anything the fact that I've been highly suspect of EVERY mass vote disaster this game should at the very least clear me, but no, the mob mentality is taking affect and the sheep are being strung along as expected.

Oh and what's my team? Who has actually been idly agreeing with me this game. What will lynching me show? That everybody ignored me? There's no connection between myself and anyone else in this game. I've been attacking and criticizing the same players from the very start. You guys have been under the radar and still alive. Seem like the power players of this game are avoiding death while the vocal outcasts are getting the axe.

I didn't bring up Opz as a suspect because I think absolutely 100% he is lying. I want people to think about EVERYTHING that's going on. It's posts like yours (Opz) which quickly drown in this game because people are so caught up in hypothetical nonsense. We want to focus on how the game progresses day by day, yet the minute someone dares to challenge what someone says the town is in uproar because it's just preposterous. Are you guys aware that this game is entirely based upon deceit? You must be at least a little bit suspicious. Does that mean lynch Opz? No! It means think about everything that's presented. Then we won't waste double lynches like this.

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 11 2010 22:20 GMT
#1053
Just looked at the vote tally if I die tonight this town is more stupid than I originally thought, and this mafia team is very well established. How I went from not even having a mention to beating someone in votes to a person who should have died yesterday is beyond my own comprehension.

Maybe my outlandish and ridiculous statements will be taken more seriously.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 11 2010 22:51 GMT
#1057
On October 12 2010 07:34 infinitestory wrote:
You addressed everything else, but you kinda dodged the main point against you, which was your unfounded aggression against OpZ. This main point is also probably the main reason for the vote train against you.
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On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. For a number of different reasons, already outlined in the thread, this is pretty illogical He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.

For the second lynch this implies that you've got OpZ down as lynch #1 in your head, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today.

Instead of trying to justify this comment in your defense, you actually said that you didn't advocate lynching OpZ 100%, but rather wanted to keep us on our toes. I know I should be wary of OpZ lying, but it's pretty clear from the bolded parts of your statement that you want OpZ dead for one reason or another. On top of that, you voted OpZ and tried to say you were abstaining. I just don't see the logic behind it at all, and your defense didn't adequately cover this most pressing point.


My stance on Opz hasn't really changed the whole game. Look at the posts I've made regarding Opz, most of which were subtle critical yet light in emotion. I respect Opz as a player and I usually align with him indirectly in most cases. I want people to be aware of every possibility presented against them, and Opz has given something valuable to the town. I don't want him dead and I'm not pushing for a bandwagon against him. If you want to keep arguing about posting habits since we have sooooo much information for this double lynch then go for it. It's not going to result in flipping mafia members since they're clearly not threatened. They're the ones acting calm and spitting out small tidbits of information to misguide the town.

Did I do that? No. I didn't. I took the time to provide an example of a scenario when this type of claim has occured before. It's entirely possible that Opz is lying. If I wanted to "finish the job" why would I mysteriously push for him in a lynch when there's other candidates who could quite possibly be pro-town as well. I don't think anybody who's really been in the spotlight today is mafia, and this wealth of information isn't definite. We were promised to have an easy day for a double lynch, yet we're bickering until the last minute and new suspects are rising AFTER THE FACT.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 12 2010 00:42 GMT
#1083
On October 12 2010 08:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On October 12 2010 07:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On October 12 2010 07:34 infinitestory wrote:
You addressed everything else, but you kinda dodged the main point against you, which was your unfounded aggression against OpZ. This main point is also probably the main reason for the vote train against you.
On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. For a number of different reasons, already outlined in the thread, this is pretty illogical He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.

For the second lynch this implies that you've got OpZ down as lynch #1 in your head, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today.

Instead of trying to justify this comment in your defense, you actually said that you didn't advocate lynching OpZ 100%, but rather wanted to keep us on our toes. I know I should be wary of OpZ lying, but it's pretty clear from the bolded parts of your statement that you want OpZ dead for one reason or another. On top of that, you voted OpZ and tried to say you were abstaining. I just don't see the logic behind it at all, and your defense didn't adequately cover this most pressing point.


My stance on Opz hasn't really changed the whole game. Look at the posts I've made regarding Opz, most of which were subtle critical yet light in emotion. I respect Opz as a player and I usually align with him indirectly in most cases. I want people to be aware of every possibility presented against them, and Opz has given something valuable to the town. I don't want him dead and I'm not pushing for a bandwagon against him. If you want to keep arguing about posting habits since we have sooooo much information for this double lynch then go for it. It's not going to result in flipping mafia members since they're clearly not threatened. They're the ones acting calm and spitting out small tidbits of information to misguide the town.

Did I do that? No. I didn't. I took the time to provide an example of a scenario when this type of claim has occured before. It's entirely possible that Opz is lying. If I wanted to "finish the job" why would I mysteriously push for him in a lynch when there's other candidates who could quite possibly be pro-town as well. I don't think anybody who's really been in the spotlight today is mafia, and this wealth of information isn't definite. We were promised to have an easy day for a double lynch, yet we're bickering until the last minute and new suspects are rising AFTER THE FACT.

Amber, stop arguing for your death. Post some analysis and I'll pull my vote off of you. Seriously. I will. I'm not being spiteful, I just feel you and Xelin are the most suspicious.

Would you like me to show you how your posting different. Watch this, it's about to blow your mind!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Amber[LighT]&gb=date

Make sure it filters TL Mafia forum. Click the games with hella frequent posts. Look what Amber is.

HP mafia particularly. You had like 200+ posts that one game!

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Where the hell have you been this game! I quoted damn near every posts. Who have you analyzed. Who have you looked at. My analysis wasn't quick. My words were concise.

Notice how Xelin isn't arguing about dying? Either he just never logs on (possible cuz he disappears randomly), or he is mafia.


You picked the Harry Potter mafia game? That's a terrible example of my play. I rose up as the minister of magic in that game because I WAS Harry Potter. If anything the game you pointed out is NOT my typical play. Nice reversal though.

Look I'm not going to bury the thread with bullshit analysis about players. I don't know half the players in this game and I've reserved judgment for a lot of them. I am however becoming suspicious on these new players who are sitting on the fence.

I'm baffled as to how you would think Xelin and I are the most suspicious when we've been on completely different wavelengths for the whole game. I'm not taking back any suspicions I had on Xelin and I'll defend what I said about him to the death. If you really think it's likely that TWO mafia members are going to start half-arguing in this thread (Where Xelin pretty much dodged me because he couldn't be bothered looking through my posts). You're creating a conclusion that's unsupported, but yet you think we're both the most suspicious.

I'm highly suspicious of SouthRawrea. If I need to change my vote to see him lynched then I will. I have the vote (given to me unwillingly).

Sinquity should be looked at as he's floating around voting and posting sparingly. The most suspicious players are the ones leaving the least amount of paper trail.

And BC is still a suspect in my eyes. I really want to trust him this game but he's really good at manipulating the game when he's mafia. I've pointed this out. He's a good thinker and can create gold from shit in these games.

Drag_ is looking more and more like good lynch candidate with the recent influx of posts.

The people that seem the least likely to be mafia are LSB, DrH, and KingJames. By their posting habits they all seem pro-town and vital assets in the long-term. I'm a bit upset over the fact that LSB's opinions are getting drowned out. He made the last game (mafia xxx???) so easy for the town with his plan. LSB manipulated the game in the towns favor, and he's a strong asset. Why he wasn't hit yet could mean that the mafia isn't familiar with LSB.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 12 2010 00:44 GMT
#1085
EBWOP: If you really think it's likely that TWO mafia members are going to start half-arguing in this thread (Where Xelin pretty much dodged me because he couldn't be bothered looking through my posts) then I really don't know what to tell you. It makes me laugh, if anything. You're creating a conclusion that's unsupported, but yet you think we're both the most suspicious.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 12 2010 02:34 GMT
#1090
look at all the lovely sheep...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 12 2010 03:55 GMT
#1102
Take a look:

OpZ
infinitestory
Kingjames01
BloodyC0bbler
Bill Murray
SouthRawrea
kane]deth[

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 12 2010 03:55 GMT
#1103
Mafia will win after 5 minutes.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 12 2010 03:56 GMT
#1104
Add the straggler:

On October 12 2010 12:56 SiNiquity wrote:
##Vote Amber[LighT]
## Vote SouthRawrea



"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 12 2010 12:18 GMT
#1113
To the town:
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Can't wait for the post-game wrap up. Sup graveyard buddies
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 13:43:38
October 15 2010 13:42 GMT
#1249
This was the most passive & wishy washy town ever. You guys listen to one yelling moron and then the mafia just needs to slip a few votes in to make sure things went perfectly. No one did vote analysis. No one did anything except for a select few, and the select few were pushing the wrong buttons (myself included).

Sorry I was temp banned until late last night so I couldn't post -_-

BC once again I knew I shouldn't trust you and I kept saying "I really want to believe he's legit this time."

Oh...

Anyone who got modkilled or did not use their role properly, or if you were a townie and expected someone else to do the work for you, please READ the other mafia threads, and the resources the TL mafia "mods" posted. It's really helpful and doesn't take long to read through.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 15 2010 14:13 GMT
#1254
On October 15 2010 22:56 kingjames01 wrote:
To be fair, I actually did A LOT of vote analysis.

hehe... It's just that for the most part, all of the Townies acted like Townies, so I couldn't do anything about them. The 4 players that I had something against were CynanMachae, SouthRawrea, kane]deth[ and drag_. If the game went to one more day, I would have made one more large post.

Oh, I also found from their posts that BC acted like scum pretending to be town and DrH was TOO pro-town to be town... but I couldn't actually come out and say that! =)


I probably should have noted that of all the newer players in this game you definitely were MVP of the newbie group. Most "helpful" should go to you in the sense that you were active. Something was irking me about you too the whole game. I tried to avoid biting on your analysis. But you did really well since you avoided being voted for, but your opinion (like many others) got drowned out by others.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
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