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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3787 Posts
October 06 2010 02:47 GMT
#381
In the meantime, do we have an explanation from SouthRawrea? He stated earlier that he would vote for an inactive to try and pressure them... yet he switched to Divinek who's been quite active. Reasons?
darkness overpowering
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
October 06 2010 02:47 GMT
#382
On October 06 2010 11:24 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 11:22 Protactinium wrote:
I'm sorry, am I attacking you? I was pretty sure I was just attacking your ideas, good sir.

Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance.

Right, there are two things I can think about, and sINiquity has addressed one of them. Only time threat would be credible is if the town was in a bad position, so Mafia wouldn't want to lose at that point. However, since VI counts amongst town numbers that gives the Mafia a free kill. Every death in the town is good for the Mafia, and this is a free kill for them without the thought of Medic protection.

Also, you are assuming the Detective is genuine. If the VI doesn't die, is he necessarily Godfather? Or did a Mafia member posing as Detective call out some random person as VI?

On October 06 2010 11:27 ghrur wrote:
I voted for Protactinium because when I went back over the posts, he suggested that DTs out themselves as soon as they find a red... and then had a huge section where he didn't post. Now, I don't agree with that part because DT(s) have the threat of Millers and Godfather to deal with. These two alone could cause huge trouble for the DT(s). Sure, there might not be a high statistical probability of these two happening, but on the off chance that they do happen, sacrificing a DT for a mistake is extremely costly. Losing a townie as a miller or securing a godfather as a blue, and then losing a DT all in one turn? That's a huge loss to the town.

Then, of course, there's this huge gap between him posting the idea and them him posting again, but this time it's more about the smurf. Now, I don't understand why he needs a smurf, but having that smurf has really caused some chaos. People lately have been worrying much more over the smurf than discussing lynches and such. Also, it gave the opportunity for someone like Pandain to claim to be Protactinium. I'm guessing that was a joke... but come on. Having the risk of someone being able to claim smurf? I don't like it. =/

Finally, Bill Murray seems to be sure that he's a red. Unfortunately, I couldn't read over the whole mafia link he posted (no time Dx), but he has to have some reason to make such a strong claim. =/ He also cited a behavioral difference for it, but with the claim that he knows the smurf. Idk how much I can trust it, but I do see the smurf getting in the way of clear analysis again. =/

Bill Murray is very good at catching reds. Please refer to his earlier games for proof of this. Also, I happen to have other commitments in life than TL Mafia, thus my time here is limited to certain times of the day.

In the off chance that you do catch a Miller, which is 1/3 or 2/3 the chance of catching just somebody with the role "Mafia"... in a game with no certainties, I'd be willing to take that chance, since there are a guaranteed three people that are definitely Mafia and only 1 or 2 Millers. 75% and 60% are quite nice, and they would be darn good odds at Vegas. The Godfather is a trickier thing, but that's still 1/4 the chance of catching the Godfather as compared to other Mafia, and I'm assuming Poisioner and Roleblocker show up as Poisoner and Roleblocker. So therefore, if those two names show up you guaranteed. The reason I'm brining this up now is because I asked BrownBear about it, and yes those do show up as such.

Confirmed with host that Poisioner and Roleblocker show up as such.
And so, we find the Sublime.
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
October 06 2010 02:48 GMT
#383
On October 06 2010 11:40 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 11:24 infinitestory wrote:
On October 06 2010 11:22 Protactinium wrote:
I'm sorry, am I attacking you? I was pretty sure I was just attacking your ideas, good sir.

Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance.


Basically, if the town's going to be that much of a panda poacher than mafia can just do the same thing. They don't hit the VI. Then what? We doom ourselves? Chances are we change our mind and the mafia are 1 up on us. Basically, the plan revolves entirely around wifom, which should rarely be used in mafia.

Alright, we have two explantions from why they voted Proctat. What about you, Sinquity?

I called him out to reveal himself, he didn't. If he wants to take his identity to the grave then that's his decision.
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
October 06 2010 02:49 GMT
#384
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them?
And so, we find the Sublime.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 06 2010 02:49 GMT
#385
On October 06 2010 11:19 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 11:14 Protactinium wrote:
On October 06 2010 11:10 infinitestory wrote:
I say in order to neutralize the village idiot, village makes a "deal" with mafia. Once the VI is made obvious, the villagers will announce that they will all vote to lynch VI if he is not mafia-killed overnight. Since the mafia aren't going to sit back and watch themselves lose, VI will be neutralized. If VI is NOT neutralized, either mafia lose, OR the "VI" is actually Godfather posing as VI; in the latter case, the villagers stand to gain a huge amount.

Now that this plan has been announced, VI must try get himself lynched subtly or risk the above plan being put into action. Be cautious, guys.

EDIT: i voted for proactinium because BrownBear did too its the cool thing to do

No editing.

Also, as I've already stated town threatening to lynch VI doesn't scare the Mafia. If the VI is lynched, everybody (excluding the VI, of course) loses. Why would Mafia feel forced to have to kill him at night?

BrownBear is the host. When did he vote for me? Also "its the cool thing to do" is such a nice statement to make, obvious implications notwithstanding.

I stated the exact reason. If village threatens to kill village idiot, mafia's only option to stay in the game is to kill the village idiot at night. I know full well the win condition of the village idiot, and it is the EXACT reason the mafia should feel compelled to carry out the dirty work of removing him.

oh, and i meant Bill Murray voted for you :/
I was feeling sad about having to vote on day 1 without evidence, but your reply which is a blatant invective rather than an attempt to cooperate/defend self has caused me to lose sympathy. I apologize if this is unfounded or wrong, but making personal attacks on each other in the beginning is one of the hallmarks of a player who is unhelpful in the long run, from my experience.


rofl why would they do that? The mafia knows town loses too so there is no way in hell town is gonna lynch VI deliberately just so both sides lose. That has to be the worst argument I've ever seen
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 06 2010 02:59 GMT
#386
infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure.

on top of that you edited your post.

i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot.
RIP Aaliyah
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 06 2010 02:59 GMT
#387
On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote:
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them?

I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds.

@Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 06 2010 03:01 GMT
#388
On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure.

on top of that you edited your post.

i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot.

*sigh* I do crack under pressure easily...
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 06 2010 03:01 GMT
#389
On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote:
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them?

I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds.

@Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested.


the town does not win if the VI is lynched so why does that matter? town threatening to lynch VI is empty and mafia would just ignore it completely. that wouldn't even work since in order to threaten to lynch the VI they have to know who the VI is meaning the mafia will likely know as well and can just hit him at night
RIP Aaliyah
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 06 2010 03:01 GMT
#390
This is your 1 hour warning! If you have not voted yet, DO SO NOW!

If you have not posted OR voted yet, ESPECIALLY DO SO NOW!!!
SUNSFANNED
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
October 06 2010 03:04 GMT
#391
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.

Not voting:
bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail

Not posted nor voted:
XeliN, JeeJee

Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
October 06 2010 03:05 GMT
#392
EBWOP: Credit (or blame if it's wrong) to BrownBear for that list, I simply pulled it from the vote thread.
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 06 2010 03:07 GMT
#393
I think lynching the VI as a threat to the mafia, but its only really worth it if the mafia are really close to winning. Even then its a risk, but if the town is going to lose anyway, might as well go out with style.

On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun.
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 06 2010 03:08 GMT
#394
On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote:
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them?

I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds.

@Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested.


the whole point is town is not going to purposely lose, even if it makes mafia lose. Town's goal is to win, mafia's goal is to win. Town would never, ever lynch VI on puprose because they'd literally have to be retarded. So that's a pointless threat. If the VI is ever publically known then they're just a paper weight because every one would know they're trying to die and mafia could kill them whenever it is convenient.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 06 2010 03:09 GMT
#395
On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun.


Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway?
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 06 2010 03:09 GMT
#396
On October 06 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:
On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote:
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them?

I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds.

@Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested.


the town does not win if the VI is lynched so why does that matter? town threatening to lynch VI is empty and mafia would just ignore it completely. that wouldn't even work since in order to threaten to lynch the VI they have to know who the VI is meaning the mafia will likely know as well and can just hit him at night

Alright. I give up on my argument. I relent. I crack under pressure. Does that please you? What I intended was simply to get people thinking hard about how to get rid of VI, as he is a problem that must be solved through the cooperation of multiple roles. I guess you have an excellent reason for showing me up here, though. Shall we discuss something else now?
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Crisis_
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States165 Posts
October 06 2010 03:12 GMT
#397
Crisis here. Wow, just realized there were so many voters against me.

I don't know how to not apologize without seeming like a good voting target, so I won't do it.

Can you at least tell me what a good post would consist of, preferably by the end of the day?
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 06 2010 03:13 GMT
#398
On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote:
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.

Not voting:
bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail

Not posted nor voted:
XeliN, JeeJee

Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\


It would make me very very sad to actually have to carry this out.
SUNSFANNED
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 06 2010 03:14 GMT
#399
On October 06 2010 12:12 Crisis_ wrote:
Crisis here. Wow, just realized there were so many voters against me.

I don't know how to not apologize without seeming like a good voting target, so I won't do it.

Can you at least tell me what a good post would consist of, preferably by the end of the day?


Any post is fine. Just remember to vote!
SUNSFANNED
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 06 2010 03:14 GMT
#400
On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun.


Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway?

He's worried that if Protact is mafia, the mafia will pull some shenanigans and change the leader away from him before lynch.
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