TL Mafia XXXI - Page 20

On October 06 2010 11:24 infinitestory wrote:

Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance.

On October 06 2010 11:27 ghrur wrote:
I voted for Protactinium because when I went back over the posts, he suggested that DTs out themselves as soon as they find a red... and then had a huge section where he didn't post. Now, I don't agree with that part because DT(s) have the threat of Millers and Godfather to deal with. These two alone could cause huge trouble for the DT(s). Sure, there might not be a high statistical probability of these two happening, but on the off chance that they do happen, sacrificing a DT for a mistake is extremely costly. Losing a townie as a miller or securing a godfather as a blue, and then losing a DT all in one turn? That's a huge loss to the town.

Then, of course, there's this huge gap between him posting the idea and them him posting again, but this time it's more about the smurf. Now, I don't understand why he needs a smurf, but having that smurf has really caused some chaos. People lately have been worrying much more over the smurf than discussing lynches and such. Also, it gave the opportunity for someone like Pandain to claim to be Protactinium. I'm guessing that was a joke... but come on. Having the risk of someone being able to claim smurf? I don't like it. =/

Finally, Bill Murray seems to be sure that he's a red. Unfortunately, I couldn't read over the whole mafia link he posted (no time Dx), but he has to have some reason to make such a strong claim. =/ He also cited a behavioral difference for it, but with the claim that he knows the smurf. Idk how much I can trust it, but I do see the smurf getting in the way of clear analysis again. =/

On October 06 2010 11:40 Pandain wrote:


Basically, if the town's going to be that much of a panda poacher than mafia can just do the same thing. They don't hit the VI. Then what? We doom ourselves? Chances are we change our mind and the mafia are 1 up on us. Basically, the plan revolves entirely around wifom, which should rarely be used in mafia.

Alright, we have two explantions from why they voted Proctat. What about you, Sinquity?

On October 06 2010 11:19 infinitestory wrote:

I stated the exact reason. If village threatens to kill village idiot, mafia's only option to stay in the game is to kill the village idiot at night. I know full well the win condition of the village idiot, and it is the EXACT reason the mafia should feel compelled to carry out the dirty work of removing him.

oh, and i meant Bill Murray voted for you :/
I was feeling sad about having to vote on day 1 without evidence, but your reply which is a blatant invective rather than an attempt to cooperate/defend self has caused me to lose sympathy. I apologize if this is unfounded or wrong, but making personal attacks on each other in the beginning is one of the hallmarks of a player who is unhelpful in the long run, from my experience.

On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote:
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them?

On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure.

on top of that you edited your post.

i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot.

On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:

I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds.

@Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested.

On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:

I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds.

@Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested.

On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun.

On October 06 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


the town does not win if the VI is lynched so why does that matter? town threatening to lynch VI is empty and mafia would just ignore it completely. that wouldn't even work since in order to threaten to lynch the VI they have to know who the VI is meaning the mafia will likely know as well and can just hit him at night

On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote:
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.

Not voting:
bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail

Not posted nor voted:
XeliN, JeeJee

Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\

On October 06 2010 12:12 Crisis_ wrote:
Crisis here. Wow, just realized there were so many voters against me.

I don't know how to not apologize without seeming like a good voting target, so I won't do it.

Can you at least tell me what a good post would consist of, preferably by the end of the day?

On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:


Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway?