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On October 06 2010 12:12 Crisis_ wrote:
Crisis here. Wow, just realized there were so many voters against me.
I don't know how to not apologize without seeming like a good voting target, so I won't do it.
Can you at least tell me what a good post would consist of, preferably by the end of the day?
[url="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157921¤tpage=2"]Go vote for someone.[/url]
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On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote:
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.
Not voting:
bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail
Not posted nor voted:
XeliN, JeeJee
Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\
i find it hard to imagine the host would mod kill 1/3rd of the game. Of course the people that didnt post and vote should die. However with the post but no vote....i wish there was a reasonable way to punish these people without ending the game. Like add them to the ban list and let them continue in this game? lol, i dont know, it's annoying when people can't take 2 minutes out of the day to even throw a random vote on just incase because i know people do have lives.
Can we hit them with static instead of a full on lightning bolt
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On October 06 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:12 Crisis_ wrote:
Crisis here. Wow, just realized there were so many voters against me.
I don't know how to not apologize without seeming like a good voting target, so I won't do it.
Can you at least tell me what a good post would consist of, preferably by the end of the day? Go vote for someone.
Fixed
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On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I think lynching the VI as a threat to the mafia, but its only really worth it if the mafia are really close to winning. Even then its a risk, but if the town is going to lose anyway, might as well go out with style.
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun.
Seriously? You're going to vote for me just because it "doesn't let the Mafia influence the vote"? And if you're Mafia, then voting for me is an influence, no? This is bad reasoning, and you know it.
Crisis_, you too? What's your reason now...
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On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway?
I think he is just as likely to be mafia as anyone else. Honestly I don't really have any strong feelings about who is mafia yet. Protact does seem suspicious, just like many others. I am also quite supicious of Bill Murray, but he will not get lynched based on current votes, and If Protact is a green/blue then I have a good argument vs Bill, since he is the one that started to get people to vote for Protact.
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On October 06 2010 12:09 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote:
To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them? I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds. @Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested. the town does not win if the VI is lynched so why does that matter? town threatening to lynch VI is empty and mafia would just ignore it completely. that wouldn't even work since in order to threaten to lynch the VI they have to know who the VI is meaning the mafia will likely know as well and can just hit him at night Alright. I give up on my argument. I relent. I crack under pressure. Does that please you? What I intended was simply to get people thinking hard about how to get rid of VI, as he is a problem that must be solved through the cooperation of multiple roles. I guess you have an excellent reason for showing me up here, though. Shall we discuss something else now?
Why are you being so defensive? If bad arguments are made as the town we have to get rid of them and just move on.
The best thing to do with the VI is to have the vigilante hit him. Anyone who is a suspect for VI will likely get hit by the mafia or vigilante so all we can do is try our best to reveal him. If he comes up on a rolecheck the detective needs to roleclaim, knowing who the VI is is crucial.
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On October 06 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? He's worried that if Protact is mafia, the mafia will pull some shenanigans and change the leader away from him before lynch.
this is awful reasoning. we want to lynch the people that we think are mafia. so far i haven't seen a convincing case made against Protact, and there's definitely no consensus. all there is is a bandwagon.
How about we flip it: I'm worried that Protact is town and that we're going to lynch a townie, putting us even farther behind after modkills.
I voted for gruhr because he bandwagoned on Protact, and this is a huge contradiction to his pretty well thought out posts earlier.
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On October 06 2010 12:19 NukeTheBunnys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? I think he is just as likely to be mafia as anyone else. Honestly I don't really have any strong feelings about who is mafia yet. Protact does seem suspicious, just like many others. I am also quite supicious of Bill Murray, but he will not get lynched based on current votes, and If Protact is a green/blue then I have a good argument vs Bill, since he is the one that started to get people to vote for Protact.
That's a common mistake. Townies get townies lynched all the time.
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On October 06 2010 12:19 NukeTheBunnys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? I think he is just as likely to be mafia as anyone else. Honestly I don't really have any strong feelings about who is mafia yet. Protact does seem suspicious, just like many others. I am also quite supicious of Bill Murray, but he will not get lynched based on current votes, and If Protact is a green/blue then I have a good argument vs Bill, since he is the one that started to get people to vote for Protact.
This is also bad reasoning. Just because I flip green/blue doesn't make Bill red, since he's being regular Bill Murray in trying to catch somebody early on. Justifying your vote for Bill when I flip is a good way for Mafia to dodge out of having their vote looked at Day 2.
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There are a ton of non-voters. Are you going to mod kill all of them, sub, or just give out a warning? Having this many people die this early would really ruin this game.
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I don't think lynching Protactinium is a good idea. It's obvious there's a bandwagon vote going on and most of the hesitation is because of pages 15-17... not really anything to get up in arms over. Definitely should consider other players.
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On October 06 2010 12:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I don't think lynching Protactinium is a good idea. It's obvious there's a bandwagon vote going on and most of the hesitation is because of pages 15-17... not really anything to get up in arms over. Definitely should consider other players.
I've been considering it, and I'm going to change my vote to make it as inconsequential as possible (voting for someone with few votes who is likely to be modkilled). I think I jumped the gun on this vote.
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On October 06 2010 12:17 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I think lynching the VI as a threat to the mafia, but its only really worth it if the mafia are really close to winning. Even then its a risk, but if the town is going to lose anyway, might as well go out with style.
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Seriously? You're going to vote for me just because it "doesn't let the Mafia influence the vote"? And if you're Mafia, then voting for me is an influence, no? This is bad reasoning, and you know it. Crisis_, you too? What's your reason now...
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not much else I can do. Sorry.
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On October 06 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 11:40 Pandain wrote:On October 06 2010 11:24 infinitestory wrote:On October 06 2010 11:22 Protactinium wrote:
I'm sorry, am I attacking you? I was pretty sure I was just attacking your ideas, good sir. Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance. Basically, if the town's going to be that much of a panda poacher than mafia can just do the same thing. They don't hit the VI. Then what? We doom ourselves? Chances are we change our mind and the mafia are 1 up on us. Basically, the plan revolves entirely around wifom, which should rarely be used in mafia. Alright, we have two explantions from why they voted Proctat. What about you, Sinquity? I called him out to reveal himself, he didn't. If he wants to take his identity to the grave then that's his decision.
10 minutes left.
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I'll just tell you right now, I'm not red.
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And neither am I. This has turned into pretty much the start of every TL Mafia game.
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On October 06 2010 12:50 Crisis_ wrote:
I'll just tell you right now, I'm not red.
that was very convincing
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On October 06 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:50 Crisis_ wrote:
I'll just tell you right now, I'm not red. that was very convincing
That's what I was hoping for.
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On October 06 2010 12:55 Crisis_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2010 12:50 Crisis_ wrote:
I'll just tell you right now, I'm not red. that was very convincing That's what I was hoping for.
DoctorHelvetica wasn't being serious. "I'm not mafia" is the least credible evidence that you're not mafia.
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