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On August 19 2010 15:36 DarthThienAn wrote: bro you look scummy every time you post. idk whenever i see bum's name I always think DT. | ||
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Edit: Okay now what? | ||
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On August 21 2010 04:04 Radfield wrote: There are no PM's this game. No PM's means any town circle is out in the open anyways. Yes there is a Mason, but he can't make a circle. Oops okay fine. A pro-town Vengeful Player should never, ever use their kill. No town player should ever use additional KP, other than the CV. The repercussions for being wrong are far too large in this set-up. If you are wrong, you just killed a blue role. Not worth the guess. We decide on lynches and CV hits as a town, and that's that. Not to mention that VP is far less useful then the many other pro-town roles. Good feedback though, keep it coming. Err.. The 2 vil 1 maf scenario stands and the other scenario still stands if there is a 50/50 shot at getting the mafia, not if the town nonchalantly assumes if there is a 50/50 shot. I'm saying that they should otherwise just pretend to be a normal townie. Sure it's not a power role but it's 100% town favoured. | ||
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I meant powerful role. | ||
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(Basically if you join maf by choosing traitor, you're not really helping them. If you stick with town by picking another role, you add a potentially good role to town/take one away from the opposing team. Not to mention if mafia is shafted with having one of the last picks, they may end up getting traitor which would be completely useless to them. Another superbonus :D) Stick with town. Fight team fight! | ||
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On August 21 2010 06:13 DarthThienAn wrote: 20 player game, it's pretty standard to have 4 mafia. Not to mention last game there were 4 mafia, and the setup is the same +- a few roles. But I'm also mafia in PYP again ^^. On August 05 2010 11:38 Ace wrote: This game is Semi-Open. The amount of Mafia and possible SKs are hidden. Town count is hidden. Possible roles are open. It's very possible he switched up the types of town power roles to better variants (ex: Sane cops) which would give slight advantages to town. We also have 1 more player than the last PYP. However, this is nothing to jump on as it is most likely that you just considered the chances of that happening negligible. | ||
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On August 22 2010 05:48 Bill Murray wrote: all in favor of lynching citi.zen say I I think we should wait till we get our actual roles first. | ||
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I'd assume that it's Hesmyrr because he would probably believe that his 33% chance of getting a role that's probably already taken is useless. On August 25 2010 09:25 Hesmyrr wrote: Right, I picked one of the anti-town roles using RNG generator. Since we are prioritizing copycat solely due to CV snipe possibility, and thus we need to know who the copycat is, how about giving it to completely arbitrary # that is between 5~9? This is my idea of how to make it completely fair. Look at the first post of five users in this thread right after this post: add the individual numbers of the post time. So referring to citi.zen post above mine, since it is posted 08:29 it should be 8+2+9=19. So after adding the numbers, if the last digits of the number is 1-2, then copycat goes to #5, if 3-4 #6, if 5-6 #7, 7-8 #8, 9-0 #9. ex) MY POST citi.zen (11:39) 1+1+3+9=14 citi.zen -IGNORED SINCE NOT FIRST POST- Bill Murray (12:57) 1+2+5+7=15 Hesmyrr (12:58) 1+2+5+8=16 Radfield (13:01) 1+3+0+1=5 Hesmyrr -IGNORED SINCE NOT FIRST POST- bumatlarge (15:43) 1+5+4+3=13 14+15+16+5+13 = 63, 3 is the last digit so #6 chooses a copycat. or of course we can just give copycat to #5 like citi.zen suggests. Are we taking measures to check if #5 will really take copycat like what I am doing in #4 spot? He also said this. I'm going to go out on a limb here and because he said his role is anti-town. Do you mind us lynching you Hesmyrr? I have a very good reason to believe that lynching you is a good idea if you indeed were the one who stole my role as my role was anti-town as well. The first 3 would have no reason to change roles as it's beneficial for both town and mafia to take those roles first. #5 would also most likely want JOAT or a defensive role as well. Thus my suspicion falls on Hesmyrr. I would like to know of your role. | ||
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@Citi.zen You have no idea how mad I was D:. I thought I'd be sure to get Traitor and then this morning I woke up to find that Ace sent me another PM (as opposed to the one before the draft order) saying I was a vanilla townie. >< | ||
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On August 25 2010 09:25 Hesmyrr wrote: Right, I picked one of the anti-town roles using RNG generator. This could be a soft claim from him to the mafia as traitor. None of the actual townies would find this suspicious at all as we were trying to take roles away from the mafia anyways but the mafia would look at that and think, maybe he's softclaiming to us? They'd quite easily put any of their power roles on him to try and convert him if it's true. (They'd not bother using a KP on him obviously). | ||
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On August 26 2010 01:46 zeks wrote: Picking traitor was already an extremely anti town move on sr's part. But since he didn't get it we can assume he's town. However I think his intentions were not pro town from the start by attempting to pick traitor; its just the cirumstances right now that make him pro town. As for hesmyrr being traitor ill wait for his posts before making a decision I picked it on a whim. I wanted to make the game a bit more epic. I was actually gonna pick CV when I saw the draft order with me on top but the changes had me thinking a bit more. Also the bolded part is the reason why I'm screwed if Ace made a mistake that he wants to change to the roles given out or the draft order again. It's probably not going to happen though. | ||
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On August 26 2010 02:46 Pandain wrote: Um guys seriously? SERIOUSLY? What the fadoodle. Isn't it obvious? SR is lying. He's either serial killer or scum(most likely serial killer, his actions seem to be more acting on his own). All he's doing is spreading doubt on the above. #Vote SouthRawrer main things to keep in mind for now: 1. Why didn't he follow the plan 2. Why the hell did he pick traitor. He says "To make the game more epic." Seriously? Why has no one been hounding on him. He knew of the plan, and knew we were going to run with it(he even was going to pick CV originally). Then what does he do? Disregards it. 3. Why would someone else pick traitor? I mean, seriously. That's the dumbest move imaginable. I'll be compiling a list of his posts. Regardless of my former intentions, this would be a horrible move on my part as if I'm wrong about my 1 in 5 educated guess that I made, I'm going to get lynched. Get a brain. | ||
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Second, vengeful player is a pro-town role. It's not a large leap of trust at all to have them not kill someone if they did end up getting lynched. Would we also not want mafia to avoid having this role? Say there is a confirmed townie under constant protection, they're not safe from a MAFIA vengeful player killing them during his own lynch. I wasn't saying it was a high priority role but it certainly is helpful for town to have it. Serial Killer? Really? Why would I as an SK promote my own lynch if I'm wrong? SK isn't able to pick traitor either so how on earth would I know that a traitor exists within the top 5. Stop spouting nonsense. | ||
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On August 26 2010 03:39 zeks wrote: The reason I won't be voting SR is that I just think it would be a huge gambit on his part (if he's scum) just to try to frame a traitor on the top 5 - and in a 1 for 1 trade situation thats just totally irrational. Trading one scum for someone in the top 5 (where many of them are gonna die anyway) is just stupid. I think he knows a bit better than that. Hesmyrr: His counter claim is valid. The only thing I'm worried about is that he did counter claim CV - which is the safest counter claim as it should be a given at this point that CV was drafted #1 by rastaban. But after everything happened we cannot guarantee that both PoD and Bad Santa have been taken. So if in the case Hesmyrr is scum then the CV claim would make sense from him. Nevertheless he may be honest and did RNG CV and is just a townie. I'm not sold on Hesmyrr yet either way, but we really need to hear from chaoser/LSB. I do suspect both of them to a certain extent (chaoser a bit more because I understand a little about how he plays). So right now for me its between 2,3,4. It's not a gambit at all. If I were scum I would not choose traitor and if I were SK I cannot choose traitor due to the game's rules. If I were not traitor, it'd be an absolutely insane idea to guess that a traitor was in the top 5 unless I was denied the role. In the case that I am wrong about Hesmyrr, I am getting lynched as town has to make sure I was telling the truth. Possibilities: 1) Hesmyrr:traitor Rawrea:green -> We benefit 2) Hesmyrr:green Rawrea:red -> mafia loses a member and nets a green kill 3) Hesmyrr:green Rawrea:green -> we know that there is still a traitor in the top 5 (now 4) or I'm just trolling and we lose 2 greens 4) Hesmyrr:green Rawrea: SK -> SK gets lynched and loses after making a horrible play, town loses a green and traitor can be ANYWHERE | ||
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On August 26 2010 03:42 Pandain wrote: It was ok(not good, but allowable) for the #15(Divinek) to change his thing. You are #6. The plan was not ruined. Not only that, you picked traitor. As for vengeful player, as you said in a previous post anything that adds kp to mafia is bad. Vengeful player in the hands of a mafia, adds kp. Unless you now disagree with yourself. IF WE TAKE IT, IT'S TOWN KP NOT MAFIA KP. | ||
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On August 26 2010 03:50 Pandain wrote: And how would you know town would take it? This was all while we were discussing what the draft order and plan should be. You're not getting anywhere with your arguments. | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:45 bumatlarge wrote: And why would hesmyr being town confirm rastaban as town? Wouldnt that jst be confirming him as comp vig? Maybe im missing a step, I follow the zeks confriming though. Anyway, lynch hesmyrr kill south if not a traitor sounds reasonable. ##unvote divinek ##vote Hesmyrr You are correct! It's kinda easy to get stuck in that mindset though due to experience in other games. | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:20 bumatlarge wrote: I am correct!.. Night is 48 hours from 10pm yesterday? Alrighty, hopefully we get somewhere. In south's defense, trying to get traitor is more policy FoS, but manning up and saying whats whats for towns benefit kinda reverses it. I dont think pandains accusations hold any water, but it seems an honest attempt to clarify the situation. Plus you can kinda see that south wants to stray from the town ideas very visibly, which would be kinda stpid as red/sk, but I think he planned on getting traitor when draft came out. So townie points for the roar from the south! More liek the rawr from south.. heh | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:41 Fishball wrote: Will reply when I get home (in about 4-5 hours). Bust at work right now. He has time to write all that but not say yes or no? I think the answer we're looking at is not yet. | ||
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On August 28 2010 23:47 citi.zen wrote: The only thing I can think of that would motivate zeks to come forward if he is traitor is fear he was watched or the mafia was tracked to him. Seems unlikely and at any rate confirmable with an alignment check, so risky to lie and draw attention to himself. So as I said above, I think it likely SR lied or a top 3 pick lied. This is real weak defense you're putting forward. The only reason you can think of? Of course there is pressure on him! There's slight pressure on everyone in the top 6 and zeks's name has come up as the next likely candidate or I'm lying. You and I very well know that alignment checks mean nothing until we know the sanity of the cop. Not to mention the cop has to out themselves which would be a foolish idea early on. Even a role cop would get just vanilla. Even if I'm not in much of a situation to be trusted ENTIRELY, for future purposes, FOS for mafia-like quick, pointless defense. | ||
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Of course my post about Citi.zen was just being nitpicky. In any case, I was advocating my own lynch as a way to stay true to the promises I made in day 1. I thought it was what you guys wanted :/. You guys can throw WIFOM at me all day but let two things be known clear: 1) I am okay with my own lynch. 2) I'll still be scum searching even if I am being lynched. | ||
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I'm back and we seem to have gotten ALOT of information. On August 29 2010 05:11 zeks wrote: Or Subversion also picked a defensive role and overlapped with me. On August 29 2010 05:39 zeks wrote: Fine. I'm role cop. First of all. What? 2) If Subversion was unable to attain a role due to overlap, then that means he is neither aligned with Chaoser or LSB as he would not choose a role that they had. It is then safe to assume that Chaoser+LSB may be SK with powerful role, traitor town or town with the role they are supposed to have. The most likely are the latter two. We can ALMOST determine however that they did not start as mafia. (read more for more details) 3). It is not entirely possible to rule out mafia having went for the top 3 roles. It is strange however that they went to try for the top 3 with one of their members who had a very LOW number. The chances of a player at 7 and a player at 20 getting the Compulsive Vig would be roughly equal as no one other than the primary role pickers and Hesmyrr would pick that. I am inclined to believe that Subversion wouldn't try it unless: On August 25 2010 12:08 Subversion wrote: Lol, haven't followed any plan. Only had 20 mins to pick a role soooooo... Didn't do a whole lot of reading, lol. A key piece of evidence. He had but 20 minutes to try and read over the rules, roles, players and send in a PM on time. He also says he hadn't read much. With a draft number of 7 and not much knowledge of the town's plan he could very well want to pick one of the 3 top roles. Thus we can safely rule out that Subversion had done any deep planning for his role pick. If you were mafia and had a chance at picking a role without any prior knowledge to what anyone else was picking what would you pick? Of course a typical pro-mafia role. I don't know about you guys but it took me half an hour to properly understand draft rule. He wasn't in PYP Mafia 1 either. I now find it hard to believe that Subversion picked role cop. As well, this slightly changes the idea I had pointed out in #2 as only Chaoser was active at the time of Subversion's swap into the game which means that if LSB was mafia he wouldn't have much of a chance to send a PM to Subversion. This also make it easier to believe that Radfield, Pandain and Citi.zen are town-aligned. TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more. I still feel Zeks is something like SK. Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. | ||
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LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote: Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies Dude even if he had all the time since he joined he had 2 hours. He was a last minute replacement. He didn't even think he would be able to join until Ace gave him the thumbs up right before day 1. | ||
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4 people visited Zeks. Any mafia actions show as all mafia visiting to the watcher. (Including ones that die by day) Thus if mafia visited Zeks, then no townies other than the watcher visited Zeks correct? Simple. However, Zeks said he was shot and protected. He couldn't have been shot by Vig as they can't shoot. He claims he was protected by the doctor. If he was protected by the doctor and shot by the mafia, the watcher would've seen 5 people visiting Zeks which is NOT the case. Thus it was either a combination of SK and town roles that visited Zeks or only mafia. The fact that Zeks is still alive means that he was either CONVERTED by mafia or was never visited by them. That better? | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:59 LSB wrote: To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours. 2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK 2 hours Maximum though and we shall see about that claim. Realistically he was on for about 1/4 of that time on this particular thread as he was inactive for much of the game anyways. 30 mins is maybe just enough time to be able to go through the rules, roles, plan and all the posts in the game. | ||
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On August 29 2010 07:15 citi.zen wrote: If the SK shot Zeks then the mafia shot their own guy in Subversion. As JeeJee said, you make no sense. Well then there you have it! Put 2 and 2 together please. NO ONE COULD HAVE SHOT Zeks! CV nor SK could've shot Zeks. Only mafia could've visited Zeks and if they did, the medic could not have as only 4 people visited. Thus Zeks is SK or traitor no buts if and ors. I'm ignoring BP because he claimed rolecop when being given an ultimatum by some of the other players. | ||
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On August 29 2010 07:22 JeeJee wrote: so yeah i'm not even sure we are arguing at all you just said my analysis except you concluded with "he's either traitor or not shot by mafia at all" when the real conclusion should have been "he's either traitor or sk shot by mafia or traitor converted by mafia" so yeah I wanted people to make the logical connection but yeah same conclusion. I wasn't arguing with you. Just arguing with the no sense part.  | ||
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On August 29 2010 07:26 Pandain wrote: Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler + Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original post Also south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility) 3 would be unbalanced. Town won last game and Ace, the same host would lower mafia count? I'd hate to think of Ace as that sort of person. #Vote Zeks Hopefully we finally hit the traitor so my name gets cleared. SK is good too but I want vengeance for my lost role and Hesmyrr's death D:. (My fault I know D  | ||
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On August 29 2010 05:11 zeks wrote: Or Subversion also picked a defensive role and overlapped with me. Claims he is a defensive role. On August 28 2010 10:17 zeks wrote: I survived the hit last night. Claims he was hit and survived. Very nice catch. Didn't notice it >.> | ||
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On August 29 2010 10:37 JeeJee wrote: he's at L-2, chop chop we still need to talk about CV hit tonight -- whats the plan If he flips mafia/traitor.. don't shoot me! If he flips town, well fadoodles, I'ma have the same state of mind I guess, just more irritated. CV can shoot me if the town wants and I won't mind. If you trust me by that point in time then I guess I'll keep trying :/. We've got a couple scummy players about: JeeJee, BrownBear. I have a personal gutfeeling about Fishballs but I'll leave that be for now >.> | ||
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On August 29 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote: i was quoting as i went faggot said i had to leave mid post had i read the other stuffs i woulda deleted it, or left it to agitate you sadly i must leave again but i must say DONT YOU START SAYING THAT WORD TOO SOUTH, pleaaaaaaase dont seriously what do other people think of fishball ^^ It's kinda catchy though. Fadoodle on youdle! Just for you Divinek I won't though because you're my mafia partner. Wait what? | ||
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On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 You came out looking ignorant as Subversion was unactive during the entire game anyways and. He was likely only online for a fraction of that 2 hours. | ||
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nvm doesn't make sense for CV to kill Radfield. It was mafia. | ||
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On September 01 2010 05:30 Pandain wrote: Also I just found this little gem. Don't know why I didn't realize. This post is just way off. First off, he's happy that he picked traitor, then he says that someone picking traitor in the top 5 isn't "a huge deal." Finally, he says they might be mafia. A traitor would not be mafia, they would just be a treachorous townie. SR is just so... inauthentic(whats that word) I was saying that to throw people off before I finally decided to announce the role. If I blatantly said that it wasn't a mafia candidate then people would know it was traitor or else what would be the point of announcing it? If I said that it wasn't a mafia role then one would think that I was outting a blue or outtin a traitor. | ||
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) is to either kill me or kill the traitor. 33% chance of verifying and killing traitor or 100% chance of verifying and undetermined chance of getting mafia/traitor. From town's standpoint the latter option is better and I have no way to deter them or even deter them the next day from lynching me unless I claim VP and then threaten to get rid of one of their key members. They'll be happy to make the trade if I do so as 1 townie for 1 mafia = an amazing trade. You're only delaying the inevitable and in essence you're acting as the POD. You're nullifying all daytime lynching and having double nights. So Pandain, REDACT IT. | ||
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On September 01 2010 10:25 Divinek wrote: it's hardly good information, it confirms a traitor in the top 3. It doesnt really lead us to any mafia, what if you guys are working together? It wouldn't make sense if you were. Your reasoning makes no sense at all for a mob member, you can't be mafia or you're brain dead. We aim to lynch mafia, not fucking townies. Well how do you know I'm making no sense on purpose? | ||
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Hesmyrr.. if he's town it's not mah fault! I got back the result from Ace. Nothing to ban me for. | ||
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