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On August 19 2010 07:30 rastaban wrote: I thought so at first, but he already shows innocent to alignment checks so it isn't as useful as I thought, Hmm...confused it with godfather from previous game. Hehe, different roles I see in different games. Prob best bet would be to get copy cat. | ||
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On August 20 2010 08:20 JeeJee wrote: i know right? such fucking scum, pure anti-townie behavior, there is no reason for townies to stack votes and cause the good roles to fall into mafia's hands. there's no reason for a townie to be acting like DTA is ##vote: DTA edit: how many people left until the game starts btw? getting eggsighted As far as I am aware, and assuming that we need 20 people and all people on the list are still available, than we need 2 more people. Two more people. Join. Yes you reading this. Just join. | ||
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On August 21 2010 00:31 Ace wrote: I had zeks on the signup list twice so I'll replace him out with Bill Murray Are role pm'c coming out now? So eager n.n | ||
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Dw, I'll take day vigi and shoot him as soon as day starts. jkjk <3 BM(sort of) | ||
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Couple things we want to keep in mind: 1. Do we want to take roles so therefore the mafia can't have them. 2.What roles do we want? With that, I am giving a list of several roles I feel would be very useful. 1.CopyCat: Backup Blue, in case something bad happens(even leak in circle perhaps.) 2.Day Vigi: For the daredevils 3.Doctor/AlignmentCop/rolecop: Self explanatory. Any thoughts on all this? + Show Spoiler + Also... SECRET FRIENDSHIP ALLIANCE... ACTIVATED! | ||
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So, unsure as to what to do I'll spit out every possibility that I think might be possible. Which of these should we do/not do and why. 1.Claim what we're going to pick (therefore no townies losing their role and becoming vanilla.) 2.Organize it so that numbers don't overlap(would this be cheating?) 3. Make a super amazing plan involving roles that would make a specific person verified/not.(that would be hard...just an idea.) Thoughts? | ||
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On August 21 2010 01:14 chaoser wrote: how can we have a secret alliance if there's no PMs? =[ unless.... Mason...indeed. I was thinking that. Or we could incorporate everyone in my secret friendship alliances into THE Secret Friendship Alliance and have each person be Mason, Pardoner, Martyr and even a Bad Santa to ensure that no SFA member will backstab each other. | ||
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On August 21 2010 00:54 Pandain wrote: Okay so now that the game has (just) started, I feel like now is the time to start deciding what roles would be best for the town, eh? Couple things we want to keep in mind: 1. Do we want to take roles so therefore the mafia can't have them. 2.What roles do we want? With that, I am giving a list of several roles I feel would be very useful. 1.CopyCat: Backup Blue, in case something bad happens(even leak in circle perhaps.) 2.Day Vigi: For the daredevils 3.Doctor/AlignmentCop/rolecop: Self explanatory. Any thoughts on all this? + Show Spoiler + Also... SECRET FRIENDSHIP ALLIANCE... ACTIVATED! On August 21 2010 01:06 Pandain wrote: Pandain's random list of thoughts/ideas So, unsure as to what to do I'll spit out every possibility that I think might be possible. Which of these should we do/not do and why. 1.Claim what we're going to pick (therefore no townies losing their role and becoming vanilla.) 2.Organize it so that numbers don't overlap(would this be cheating?) 3. Make a super amazing plan involving roles that would make a specific person verified/not.(that would be hard...just an idea.) Thoughts? Bringing this back to topic. Ignore the previous stuff, I'm just going to call Shotgun mason right now. My first number is 6. If you want to have a better chance of getting a role don't pick 6. | ||
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On August 21 2010 02:26 rastaban wrote: Oh, also I wanted to get this LIST out, it is the power roles as I see them. This doesn't incorporate the value of denying a role since that would make it much harder to rate these and will depend on the person. So a role like GF is bad for town good for mafia, but it might be worth taking to deny mafia the role. One of the things we really need to decide is how we want to play this round and what information to reveal, Is it better for town to deny powerful roles from the mafia or to get powerful town roles instead. Obviously we will need to balance this out but looking at the extreme ends of things can really help with deciding how we want to do this. Normally Mafia KP is to be 1/10 of total players, in this case it would be 2. and drop down once enough were dead. The game is counting on the mafia getting roles to compensate for this. Meaning if we can deny them the roles they want the town will be almost guaranteed to win. If instead we go for critical town power roles we make it hard for mafia to hide since we can lynch anything anti-town. (framers and GFs etc). and if we coordinate well we have so many blues, that even with their power roles the mafia won't be able to keep up. Now we aren't picking roles yet, just numbers but I wanted to get these ideas out there for town who haven't been able to review the previous game. It will help you in the choices you make this game. Great post via the spreadsheet, however there are some things that should be kept in mind. Floridan will be incrediablly handy for the mafia. They can say one thing, and even vote for it, and then use the second lynch to vote against it. Or just do two votes for/against something. In addition, the late game this will mean the Floridan will be incredibly useful. For example, the situation in the last PYP(3 people left), the mafia almost certainly would have won as Foolishness would've had an extra vote. Compulsive Vigi: Perhaps the most dangerous role. Incrediablly useful for mafia/SK, and the only way I could see a reason for a townie claiming it is to at least give a chance the CV will hit mafia. * Darkness: Interesting, some ways I could see it being useful for town is that we get two checks/stuff from blue actions. Faster town circles? Idk.... Some Role combos to keep in mind: Town gets Compulsive Vigi, then we roleblock him every day. With that we can even use darkness(much less dangerous with no compulsive vigi.) Alignment cop checks someone, Jack of all Trades also checks same person. We find out whether alignment cop is verified or not. | ||
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On August 21 2010 02:45 rastaban wrote: Darkness is a horrible town role, and if taken should never be used. If someone uses it knowingly they should be lynched immediately. The reason is it denies town information and it keeps a lynch from occurring. It is no different than having everyone come in and voting abstain. Elaborate? I agree it should only be used in extreme situations(such as some SK's dead...more blue's not shooting other blue's due to misinformation/guessing) However I do see some potential in such circumstances where we can quickly get vital info. However...if the threat of mafia gets to great or SK's are too rampant or we don't have good roles, than I agree it should never be used. Alignment cop checks someone, Jack of all Trades also checks same person. We find out whether alignment cop is verified or not. This doesn't work as mafia can get this role too, though we can find out if he is insane etc (or is that what you meant). Whoops...that's what I meant. We find out whether he is insane or not. Combine that with darkness(TO BE DECIDED, and if we have compulsive vigi or the such, and even then risky.) and we will have a town circle after the first night. Again, these are ALL ideas. Just commenting on them as we haven't even picked roles yet n.n | ||
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On August 21 2010 03:06 rastaban wrote: I guess I can't see where it is ever useful (well maybe 1 but it is so far out there that I don't consider it) to the town.Darkness eliminates a whole day phase, that includes a lynch and discussion. The town always wants more time, but this doesn't do that, it eliminates discussion making it easier for mafia to hide, and eliminates lynches, the only real way town has of killing mafia (except for some possible night roles). How are you ever seeing this used for the towns benefit? The town could always just not reach majority if for some reason we wanted to to waste a lynch (this should be never though) I see your point now, and I take back using Darkness, even in rare circumstances. I thought of Darkness as a way of getting info from blue's quickly(via two actions in a night) but I failed to realize that it still means that we won't have a day phase, meaning it'll be as if it was night two, but without the day lynch. So in affect, we'll have less info. | ||
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1. Controlling the Compulsive Vigi and making him do the town's will is a very good plan. This way even if he is mafia, than we can still force him to do what we want. However, I just want you to clarify why it will be good despite what I am about to say. Sure the town might have extra kp, but that all revolves around the fact that we would get the right hit. If we miss, than all it does is hurt the town. That's why I think that if we don't have a sure fire hit or something, we should have the roleblocker block the Comp Vigi on that night. Slight modification that only helps the town. That's where the roleblocker will be valuable, again imo should be taken. 2. Alignment cop I feel can be VERY useful. I disagree with him being a less than optimal townie role. While you are right that he cannot find GF or Serial Killer, there are more scum than there are GF's. Alignment cop, if we find out his sanity(which I think he could probably find out on his own in a couple days, less if we use a plan[Joat+Alignment Cop combo]) in my opinion might be the best role. It seems to me alot of your "essential list" revolves around the fact they can find the GF/Serial killer. Yet what if they choose not to get GF? Even if they do, its only one scum out of many. Alignment cop would be better for general purposes. 3.We don't have to worry about Vengeful player adding kp, as we would've already lynched a mafia by then. 4. Also, by leaving DayVig, Bad Santa and Vengeful Player(??) for the mafia to take, it makes Bullet Bill much stronger by him not getting confused by pro-town players with guns. Like this idea. Already outlined my thoughts on VP. I suppose the day vig should be left for the mafia to take. Unsure...elaborate on why we'd rather have mafia than town have it? Just so bullet bill is stronger? I might agree, just want to hear some more on this. 5. Why #5 take copycat. Really would like to hear why this specific number 6. You say the watcher and tracker are on the essential list, but I don't see why those are better than other roles. Sure, they can find GF and we should probably have one of them, but scum have roles to don't they? Bit unsure as to what will happen if tracker tracks mafia with role. Will have to check. | ||
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On August 21 2010 05:08 Radfield wrote: MORE CONTENT FROM RADFIELD! A potential flaw in avoiding the red roles and leaving them for mafia is if the mafia end up swiping the role cop or Bullet Bill, depriving us of our most important investigative roles. The key to leaving the red roles for mafia is that we have the role cop and Bullet Bill to sniff them out. Therefore I propose we prioritize getting these roles quite highly: #1 Takes Comp Vig #2 Takes Copy Cat #3 Takes 50% Role Cop, 50% Bulletproof #4 Takes 50% Role Cop, 50% Bulletproof #5 Takes 33% Role Cop, 33% Bulletproof, 33% other pro-town non investigative role(AC or Doc) We prioritize taking the role cop, and mix in the Bulletproof to try to ward off the easy mafia snipes Next most important Town role is Bullet Bill in my eyes. #6 Takes 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Veteran #7 Takes 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Veteran #8 Takes 33% Bullet Bill, 33% Veteran, 33% AC or Doc Next is Tracker #9 takes 50% Tracker, 50% Meth Man #10 Takes 50% Tracker, 50% Meth Man #11 Takes 33% Tracker, 33% Meth Man, 33% AC or Doc Something like this, maybe joat should be mixed in with the 33%. General idea being that we prioritize having good town roles with possibly some people turning out vanilla, than having lots of mediocre town roles, but possibly not getting the really important ones. We would also have the last 4(?) drafting players pick investigative roles, just to make sure they actually get taken, and that the odds don't screw us. Please if your going to argue with this, argue the concept, not the specifics. Is this a good general idea, is there a better plan out there we could use. Or, if you want to amend the specifics please do, but be constructive: what are better percentages, more important roles, etc. Thoughts? How you going to determine which to pick. Flip a coin? | ||
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On August 21 2010 06:09 chaoser wrote: How do you know mafia's got only 4 people...it's not listed in OP how many there are... Great catch Chaoser. (definitely picking you once I get Mason XD). Usually I don't suspect people on day 1 but this was such a big slip up. Any plan that involves people should be wary of Darth now. | ||
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Meesa be mason! | ||
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I'm starting to think mass claiming is a bad thing. I think we SHOULD have certain people(and only these people) select 1/2/3 and so on. Maybe to 11(following radfields.) Then if a mafia tries to get in before, we caught him(cause he picked an already designated number). So these are my thoughts. PLEASE comment on this. I think I found something of issue. | ||
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On August 21 2010 09:22 DarthThienAn wrote: I mean, obvious solution is that doctor protects CV night 1. Mafia want to take their chances? Let them, lol. Theres a 3/4 chance that the doctor will NOT be sane/normal. You have to take that into account as well. | ||
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On August 21 2010 09:19 Pandain wrote: I've just decided that if we do plan out our numbers, it means that we won't neccesarily get all our roles perfect (going with radfields percent chance thing) but mafia will CERTAINLY get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigi.) I'm starting to think mass claiming is a bad thing. I think we SHOULD have certain people(and only these people) select 1/2/3 and so on. Maybe to 11(following radfields.) Then if a mafia tries to get in before, we caught him(cause he picked an already designated number). So these are my thoughts. PLEASE comment on this. I think I found something of issue. Clarifying this. Mass roleclaiming can lead to a situation where we as town do not get all the roles we want while letting mafia get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigilante.) Why? Right now the plan consists of just making sure WE(town) get the good roles, while letting mafia get their good roles. If we all mass roleclaim, mafia will be able to not overlap with everyone, thereby getting each role they want. I agree that we should still have the plan Radfield went with, just perhaps from 13-20 be it a free zone where the remainder of the people can claim any number. And these people will NOT say which number they picked. Some new thoughts: What if the people from 3-11 choose their mafia thing instead. This means that theres even a LESS chance of getting the roles we want. As always, please comment/critique this. I am often fallible  | ||
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On August 21 2010 20:32 Radfield wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness So we take the three most dangerous roles as the first 3 picks. We use Comp Vig as the double lynch, we use Bad Santa solely for it's investigative powers, and not it's KP. Prince of Darkness never gets used. If Prince of Darkness gets used, then we have a sure-fire lynch. If extra KP from the bad santa is getting used(which should be obvious since we should never have 4 deaths in a night if the Joat holds his shot appropriately), then we lynch the bad santa. Either way though, this keeps vital mafia roles in known hands. We should NOT pick bad santa for second. They can still get 2 kills from bad santa if they pick themselves on one of the list. Actually @ Ace, if Bad Santa dies and he's still on list, then does he still get to kill a second person. | ||
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On August 21 2010 23:17 Radfield wrote: The idea was that a particular pick(in this case #3) takes the Prince of Darkness. That way we know where it is. If it ever gets used, we lynch whoever is pick #3 You're right. We can't have both public numbers, and a plan to organize picks. If I'm going to decide which roles are getting picked at what draft number(no one else is really weighing in too much on it), then we can't have public picks. Given that I'm unconfirmed, I could manipulate the pick order to benefit the mafia. This means there is no way any town player can have faith that I'm not manipulating the order, so there's no reason for anyone to have faith in the role picking plan. Given that it's far more important for the town to have a role picking plan, then to have public numbers, we should drop the public numbers, and all just RNG a number(Or privately pick a number). It's also important that we hammer out the details of the plan before the draft order becomes public, because at that point we run into the same problem. I will be RNGing my pick, I recommend others do the same. The benefits of publicly claiming numbers was always very minimal to town anyways. Heck no, we need to do this to ensure 1. We get good roles 2. we get comp vigi. The only good thing about your plan is really that it makes it so mafia is unsure as to who will pick what. doesn't really matter, as people are claiming roles. Again, i don't see how you being mafia will even hurt it, as your plan is solid and only hurts the mafia. Again, we have bullet bill. If someone picks a non designated role, their mafia. You have no control over who picks what, only what they pick. And as long as the town agrees, we have no worries over that. Also, fun suscipision time.(just for bragging rights in case i'm right.) + Show Spoiler + Out of these 3, one is innocent, 50% chance one is mafia, and 1 is mafia. Divinek Citizen Darth Just speculation fella's. | ||
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"Doesn't really matter, as people are claiming NUMBERS" | ||
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On August 22 2010 00:40 DarthThienAn wrote: Are you trying to say kill from the grave or something? Indeed | ||
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On August 22 2010 00:43 DarthThienAn wrote: Can you explain why controlling the draft order helps us? If mafia tries to screw with the draft order and try to get the roles they want, then we can tell who screwed with it because they will have picked the same number as anothe rperson, thereby being pushed back in the draft order. A good way of ensuring we get good roles. Ideally, mafia will be forced to pick town aligned roles, but they will probably try to get mafia-aligned roles from 13-onwards. That's why we have role cop and bullet bill which will allow us to identify them and pin them as mafia. | ||
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I already have a huge FoS on you, don't make it more so. | ||
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On August 22 2010 01:16 citi.zen wrote: 1. It doesn't. 2. I still think comp vigi needs to by day 1 lynch. If it's me I'll gladly offer myself for that. 1. Please clarify why it doesn't. 2. The wording of your second sentence confuses me. | ||
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On August 22 2010 01:52 SouthRawrea wrote: My numbas haz been changed my fellows. Regardless of anything Radfield says, any role except traitor would be beneficial to town as it either takes a role away from mafia or gets us a good role. Priorities are the only thing we can concentrate on rather than pro-town or pro-mafia roles. There really isn't a way in which we can secure the first picks for ourself either as some have already mentioned. SK and Mafia can just pick an earlier number without us knowing. We cannot let mafia know both the draft order and the order of our choosing. If they do, they become familiar with the roles of certain people which will allow them to more easily pin-point the good townie roles. (Essentially: Revealing part of our hand makes it easier for blue snipes. It's like Blackjack where you kinda get an idea of how well the other player is doing based on the card that he has flipped) I'm sorry, but almost everything here in my opinion is wrong and illogical. 1. The mafia does NOT want us to know the draft order and order of our choosing. It's more of a benefit for town than it is for mafia. 2.The bolded sentence is also wrong. As I have said, if mafia tries to sneak in an earlier member than we can tell so(and know they're mafia) because they will go to the bottom of the draft order. I agree however that it makes it SOMEWHAT easier for blue snipes, but with radfields percentage chance even that is negated(aka 50% chance of bullet proof or vet, meaning they will waste a hit > )Better arguments, or claim now. Growing impatient as time grows short, forgive me. | ||
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On August 22 2010 02:20 DarthThienAn wrote: A good argument I am happy I never said making my own plan, I am going along with Radfield's plan. The only difference is we publically claim the number's we're picking. 1-12 have already been picked(i think, almost all of them) It is true that we can catch mafia/sk if they try to double up with someone early on, but other than that, I don't really see the advantages to this plan. All it takes is them not doubling up/sticking to what they claim. YES! Meaning that mafia will either have to take pro town roles, which don't help them in either case. but if they want to have mafia roles than they will have to double up > . Good for town.Also, forgive me. I was probably looking for darth when I checked it and didn't see you there. I now see "DTA". Yay | ||
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I want to hear why these people are not claiming, or huge FoS on them. | ||
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On August 22 2010 03:38 zeks wrote: sorry for double post the #1 draft pick taking CV should be no brainer i agree with that, but other than that we should somewhat follow the chain of role importance (as posted from rasta/radfield) loosely. If we follow it 100% then we might as well have mass roleclaimed hope to hear all the number claims before we start the game You have to remember its all by percentage. So the mafia knows which general range the(i.e.) role cop could be, but they also have a chance of hitting a vet/bulletproof.(50%, if im correct) | ||
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On August 22 2010 04:06 LSB wrote: Oh whoops, first readthrough I didn't get it. I agree with Radfield's plan. But why is Day Vig a mafia role? Go reread Radfield's thing. Basically he's like "Adds kp, kp is bad in this setup because of error." More urgent, why haven't people claimed. And perhaps more importantly, why is the thread only consist of like 8 people. How long has this been going on? 24 hours? | ||
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On August 22 2010 04:15 citi.zen wrote: Perhaps I am dense, but here are some concerns: 1. We have no reason to think the mafia get lower numbers using this method. I have no idea of anyone's alignment on that list. 2. A mafia with a "pro-town" role can screw us up forever. A dt can claim anything about their sanity. A tracker can frame anyone. These roles are by no means "useless to the mafia", on the contrary. 3. I HATE the thought that the mafia will have a very easy time sniping blues, and may even reserve desired roles for themselves through an assured draft order & influencing the dicussion of who picks what. 4. Why are we not even discussing lynching the comp vig? It lowers the numer of dead people each night, which as far as I can tell helps the town have more time to figure things out. So no, I will not follow Bill Murray and Pandain's request to announce anything at this time. #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role Blue sniping will be very risky for them. And mafia willl not get desired roles for themselves, and if they do then role cop/bullet bill will find them easily. There are no DT's, there are alignment cops if you mean. But that's why they are not an essential role. And that will be at the very least by ~day3, as how would they know their sanity before than? If a tracker lies, we catch him and he's dead. As for the first statement, it confuses me. Clarify? | ||
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On August 22 2010 06:02 SouthRawrea wrote: 2/9. I was lieing just in case we were going to switch plans haha. Switch it, DTA already has that. You could've always just switched your numbers if we did change plan -.- | ||
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On August 22 2010 06:05 SouthRawrea wrote: Okay I'll go for numero 10 and switch my other numba to be secritz. You have from 13-20. | ||
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On August 22 2010 07:08 citi.zen wrote: Lynch me, I don't care. I just don't see why some of you are pushing to pre-asign people to roles. The people doing the organizating aren't confirmed. The town shouldn't care who gets what. The real discussion starts after we have our draft list. We're not pushing anyone to pick any one thing. We're making sure the town gets what the town needs. The town will care about that. Also, its good we have an extra 24 hours. Now we have even more time to get this plan rollin' | ||
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On August 22 2010 07:52 SiNiquity wrote: EBWOP This is not to say I'm advocating the player list model over all others; I'm simply advocating it over the current model. Personally I say keep your # to yourself. We flesh out the picking algorithm and follow that tomorrow.. So your post is saying we should do Radfield's plan,but keep numbers hidden? Or do you propose we scrap the plan altogether? | ||
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On August 22 2010 09:22 SiNiquity wrote: Something along the lines of Radfield's, so that every player knows what they're doing because they know their number. By keeping our numbers to ourselves, no player knows what another player is doing. The exception here is if it is deemed worthwhile for part of the final algorithm to announce in certain cases (so that we know the identity of some roles, i.g. CV). However, if we keep the numbers secret then we can rid ourselves of the obfuscation of the RNG and instead use a deterministic algorithm (i.e. Player 1 pick X, player 2 pick Y, etc) -- and in this case, there will be a maximum of M collisions (in the case where M mafia members steal a role). So if we go with the weighted system approach (i.e. 50% chance to pick this, 50% to pick that) then we'd need to make sure the expected number of collisions is less than M (whatever M may be). *stares blankly* | ||
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On August 22 2010 10:09 BrownBear wrote: What Radfield said - there isn't really a benefit to having public numbers that I can think of, and it just makes it more likely scum knows my role if the number I chose is forced to pick a role (thus mafia knows to bump me off if I get a good one). I am not trying to be uncooperative, I just don't agree with the plan. Still failing to see why Pandain/BM are casting FoS on me. Not anymore. And I really didn't have one on you, just copy pasted that on it. I don't agree with public numbers either anymore(or at least see the potential dangers.) | ||
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On August 22 2010 11:17 citi.zen wrote: Anyone else have an opinion on this? I think if we are going to do the public number things via the sign up list, we should not(as I would be CV and be lynched, never being able to be mason) :p However that already seems to have been discarded, so I still think we should roleblock the CV if we don't have a good lynch target. (Future reference I was the one who brought that up). However that still means we'd have to add that in to the algorithim. So I am against lynching the CV | ||
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#1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness So we take the three most dangerous roles as the first 3 picks. We use Comp Vig as the double lynch, we use Bad Santa solely for it's investigative powers, and not it's KP. Prince of Darkness never gets used. If Prince of Darkness gets used, then we have a sure-fire lynch. If extra KP from the bad santa is getting used(which should be obvious since we should never have 4 deaths in a night if the Joat holds his shot appropriately), then we lynch the bad santa. Either way though, this keeps vital mafia roles in known hands. #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13-16 we prioritize tracker and the rest of the pro-town roles #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other /QUOTE] Me thinks we should be expanding on this now that we have a list going. I'm starting to think we should definitely have copy cat in there( as what happens if no one picks doctor. We will need to have a doctor yet theres not much gurantee that a townie will pick it.We need to have more % weighted towards doctor me thinks. | ||
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On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Hmm.... it doesn't matter if the mafia doesn't have any wiggle room if they already got people near the top. That's the problem. If mafia manage to take the roles we need while denying us essential roles, then we're going to lose. This is better since it makes it so mafia don't know for certain that they're going to get the first picks. Also, I'm still a bit concerned with the current plan and this needs to be adressed. I feel there is too less a chance for there being no doctors. Right now under the current plan theres only like 1/8 chance that it'll be picked, and that is under "YOU CHOOSE" anyway. So we shouldn't have it be definitely doctor so here's my slight adaption. At the same time, doctors are very important so I was thinking of taking away from the 5-9 (roughly) and have it still be 50% a defensive role, but minus the meth man. Than have 14: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. 15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor 16. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) 17. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) If we don't have any doctors(and the current plan makes that highly likely), then town is going to be hard pressed, as well as being unable to protect vital roles. For example, what if mafia kills comp vigi, and they have their own copy cat. Since we probably won't have doctors, this means they will get their own comp vigi. In addition, this means if the odds go against us and we don't have a doctor, and a vital role such as PoD is killed, we will know the liklihood of who is the mafia copycat. Why bad santa? So then theres a 50% chance of wasting a hit on a vanilla. In addition, this helps make copy cat more likely. Potential Problems: Allows mafia to sneak in bad santa there. However, then we can just lynch whoever was supposed to be bad santa. Any thoughts? | ||
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#2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions? | ||
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On August 23 2010 07:35 SiNiquity wrote: Pandain: If numbers are kept secret, then I don't see a reason to do a weighted algorithm (% based) instead of just a plain role assignment. Opz: Get over yourself and chill the fuck out. The draft list will be revealed. If we just assigned roles, then mafia would know who to hit. On August 23 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'm assuming this is going to be completely randomized? Yes/no? Cause if #1 draft slot is going to draft Comp Vig, shouldn't it be quiet easy for the Mafia to stack their people as the first three picks, since a bunch of people have already declared and turned in their numbers? People can change numbers. I know I am. I suggest people to do the same | ||
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I'm puting my money on that Opz is a serial killer and will kill Bill night 1. And opz, you will follow that plan or give reasons why you won't. Or we shall castrate you. | ||
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On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote: cool kids plan I like this plan. Urge everyone to look over this and folllow it, paying special attention to what roles NOT to pick. I would wish alignment cop would be more likely but oh well, I guess its okay. | ||
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On August 23 2010 08:57 citi.zen wrote: If the town commits to not taking some roles, don't they become "reserved" for mafia? Again, this means that role cop and bullet bill will become incredibly powerful, able to find mafia just by checking roles/ if they have a gun. (As Mafia willl have taken non-designated roles or kp roles) | ||
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On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33% comp vig, 33% bad santa, 33% prince of darkness #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Same Also, remember that part of the key here, is that no town players take any of the other pro-mafia roles, which allows our Role Cop and Bullet Bill to function at a much higher capacity. Those roles are: Floridian God Father Role Blocker Pardoner Vengeful Player Day Vig Traitor | ||
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On August 23 2010 10:21 SiNiquity wrote: Could someone clarify Bad Santa for me, or confirm that my interpretation is correct? <3 Yes, it is correct. Also, now what? | ||
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Oh well, at least this means I can be mason. Secret Friendship Alliance...activated! Also, how do you RNG? Just flip a coin or is it like a computer thing? | ||
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So despite the fact I kept on saying "I'm gonna be mason" I will only do so if it lays within 6-10. Sending in my role. Also, Citizen, are you saying that all the SK has to do is kill the bullet bill and then he can go safely? (besides role cop at first) Just want to know what your saying before I respond. | ||
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. Time to repick... 5-10 here we go! Also, Opz is very likely serial killer as he seems to be disregarding the plan without too much reasons as to why. Doubt he's mafia though(wouldn't be this outright defiant.) | ||
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On August 24 2010 07:38 SiNiquity wrote: Also, Pandain could you post your number? I'm wondering if the updated list is correct. <3 I actually switched mine and had 9,7 | ||
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On August 24 2010 07:43 Ace wrote: No it's not correct, good thing you mentioned that to me. With so many number changes I mistyped your name. New list coming soon. No....... you can't expect me to get mason a third time in a row! *cry* | ||
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On August 24 2010 11:16 chaoser wrote: um, why isn't copy cat up on top? mafia will probably try to kill CV and if copy cat is in their hands then they'll get the power... 14-16 75% chance of copy cat(more so since it's recomeneded.) So sure mafia can try to kill the CV despite doctor protection, but it'll all be a waste > . | ||
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On August 24 2010 11:49 SiNiquity wrote: I share your unease to some degree (this would be so much more awesome if the draft list had been anonymous like I thought it was originally), but powerful roles will tend to be towards the top anyway. That being said, currently roles are definitely very "pigeon-holed" (i.g. Bullet Bill is 7, 10, 13, or 19). What if we changed it to: #5 50% [Role Cop/Joat/BB 33% each], 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% [Role Cop/Joat/BB 33% each] 50% Defensive role #7 50% [Role Cop/Joat/BB 33% each], 50% Defensive role #8 50% [Role Cop/Joat/BB 33% each], 50% Defensive role #9 50% [Role Cop/Joat/BB 33% each].........50% Defensive role #10 50% [Role Cop/Joat/BB 33% each], 50% Defensive role (spreading out the possibilities while maintaining the expected result). We could also spread out tracker (maybe to incorporate 11-13). Thoughts? Isn't the time for changes already over? Unless we get additional time from the point each new draft list came out. Unsure.... @ Citizen...stop ruining my faith in humanity. However, that is a good point. They probably will have done that. However, at the same time that means we will have 3 investigative roles(bullet bill, tracker, and rolecop) checking from 8-13. I exclude lower numbers because by then copy cat will definitely have been taken and exclude 5-7 because if mafia do gets those numbers, they will most likely just take the rolecop/joat/bullet bill(since they will have a "legit" reason to do so. In fact, that in itself makes me a bit of a sad panda. Oh well. Its an overall solid plan. | ||
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If we're going to scrap the plan we should try to fix it before throwing it away. | ||
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On August 25 2010 10:28 citi.zen wrote: The first 3 spots should stick to the designated picks, and be held accountable for it. Fourth spot could choose roleblocker. After that the only thing you should be doing is randomizing between a defensive role and useful town role. Don't announce exactly what you do (ex: don't say you're 50% cop). Randomize honestly, we need defensive roles. Nah I like the 50% thing, helps gurantee that we're going to be getting good roles. Stick with the plan, it's too late to change anything. The only thing that will happen is that the plan is hurt, but not changed. So it'll only be bad(because not everyone will know.) Stick with the plan. | ||
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On August 25 2010 11:39 Divinek wrote: kill: bill murray well now that's out of the way lets get this show on the road Bill Murray, Mafia RoleBlocker, is now dead No , I'm kidding. That was just stupid. Seriously, I'm such a sad panda. Though I did laugh  | ||
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On August 25 2010 11:44 chaoser wrote: HAHAHAHA, nice one On August 25 2010 11:48 chaoser wrote: AHAHAHAHA NICE ONE O.o | ||
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On August 25 2010 11:51 Ace wrote: Day 1 Some people take the time to formulate strategies and draw little diagrams. Some people don't have time for that shit and just start cappin mofos. Divinek runs into the bar where he sees Bill Murray drinking a glass of milk (for realz yo!) Before Bill Murray can dip his delicious chocolate chip cookies into the glass and soak up the rich calcium filled goodness, Divinek put's a bullet in his chest. BANG BANG! Bill Murray, Pro Town Mason has been killed With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch. Good luck! OMFG HES THE ONE WHO STOLE MY ROLE I support that kill | ||
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On August 25 2010 11:52 zeks wrote: well the copycat is now the mason i presme? Ahahahaha.. thats right. This may actually be semi good. Yo mason... mason with me bro. n.n this actually helps solve the dillema of mafia killing CV to let them get copycat | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 21 2010 01:16 Pandain wrote: Mason...indeed. I was thinking that. Or we could incorporate everyone in my secret friendship alliances into THE Secret Friendship Alliance and have each person be Mason, Pardoner, Martyr and even a Bad Santa to ensure that no SFA member will backstab each other. On August 21 2010 01:21 Pandain wrote: Bringing this back to topic. Ignore the previous stuff, I'm just going to call Shotgun mason right now. My first number is 6. If you want to have a better chance of getting a role don't pick 6. On August 21 2010 04:09 Pandain wrote: Also, does this mean I shouldn't take mason On August 21 2010 09:12 Pandain wrote: Changing my vote to 12 Meesa be mason! On August 23 2010 09:57 Pandain wrote: If I do get the chance to get mason, any tips before I do rolepickk. On August 23 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote: Fadoodle me. 19th LOL. Oh well, at least this means I can be mason. Secret Friendship Alliance...activated! Also, how do you RNG? Just flip a coin or is it like a computer thing? On August 23 2010 11:33 Pandain wrote: Before I clicked "more random numbers", I said to myself I would actually go with whatever it decided. So despite the fact I kept on saying "I'm gonna be mason" I will only do so if it lays within 6-10. Sending in my role. Also, Citizen, are you saying that all the SK has to do is kill the bullet bill and then he can go safely? (besides role cop at first) Just want to know what your saying before I respond. On August 24 2010 01:42 Pandain wrote: Frick I had gotten mason too > . Time to repick... 5-10 here we go! Also, Opz is very likely serial killer as he seems to be disregarding the plan without too much reasons as to why. Doubt he's mafia though(wouldn't be this outright defiant.) On August 24 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote: No....... you can't expect me to get mason a third time in a row! *cry* | ||
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On August 25 2010 11:50 Subversion wrote: rofl omg, seriously? isnt this like, a bad idea? lol Subversion, how much have you caught up. did you follow the plan? | ||
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SERIOUSLY? What the fadoodle. Isn't it obvious? SR is lying. He's either serial killer or scum(most likely serial killer, his actions seem to be more acting on his own). All he's doing is spreading doubt on the above. #Vote SouthRawrer main things to keep in mind for now: 1. Why didn't he follow the plan 2. Why the hell did he pick traitor. He says "To make the game more epic." Seriously? Why has no one been hounding on him. He knew of the plan, and knew we were going to run with it(he even was going to pick CV originally). Then what does he do? Disregards it. 3. Why would someone else pick traitor? I mean, seriously. That's the dumbest move imaginable. I'll be compiling a list of his posts. | ||
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On August 21 2010 00:40 SouthRawrea wrote: Got mine already. I've got Vanilla Serial Killer? O.o Edit: Okay now what? I actually think that he just didn't read the rules that well. This could very well be a joke, and its possible. Just noting this. On August 21 2010 02:35 SouthRawrea wrote: I sent numbers :O blah On August 21 2010 03:42 SouthRawrea wrote: I would have to disagree about Vengeful Player. As long as the VP keeps their cool, they can make the choice to kill or not to kill. If we somehow end up being split between the VP and another player, we can have both of them die. As well, if we're stuck in a 1 mafia 2 townie situation, VP claims and we lynch them. Thus we get two shots at killing the mafia as opposed to one. (We still win if only 1 villager and 0 maf are left standing) If a mafia decides to somehow counter claim VP in any situation where they claim, we have a good lynch target for once we get multiple suspects. VP is very useful and can act as a normal townie if they choose meaning it's a pro-town role. Arguring for use of the Vengful player, when Radfield had already pointed out that extra kp is bad. Here his argument basically is" We just have to trust him. " this leads to some evidence of him being mafia(as serial killer wouldn't have that much use for this role. ) VP is definitely not a pro town role. On August 21 2010 03:46 SouthRawrea wrote: Another small point but pardoner can be good if they're in town circle. If somehow mafioso starts a lynch against a townie that the circle knows is confirmed (if town circle has no huge town influence yet) then pardoner can pardon, thus being confirmed as a townie and then be the mouthpiece for town circle. Circumstantially dependent but has potential to be very good. The only problem is the pardoner has to keep their cool. Seriously? Arguing for another anti-town role. Pardoner is only good for mafia as you can't tell if someone is innocent or not when you pardon them. The only way you could know for certain is if you were mafia. Therefore, pardoner is a strictly Mafia role. On August 21 2010 04:21 SouthRawrea wrote: Err.. The 2 vil 1 maf scenario stands and the other scenario still stands if there is a 50/50 shot at getting the mafia, not if the town nonchalantly assumes if there is a 50/50 shot. I'm saying that they should otherwise just pretend to be a normal townie. Sure it's not a power role but it's 100% town favoured. Another argument for Vengful player. Again, his arguments are 1.We should just trust him. 2. Its good when we have 3 players. Do you know how many days it is until that late in the game? Do you know how low a chance it will even get there? On August 21 2010 04:58 SouthRawrea wrote: What if mafia deliberately takes pro-town roles away from us? We do NOT want mafia taking away roles such as Role Cop, Bullet Bill, Alignment Cop and Jack of All Trades. Anything that adds KP to the mafia is deadly like the Compulsive Vigilante. An especially dangerous role is Day Vigilante as a mafia might just suicide to get rid of an open town circle just before the day ends. Basically, as town we have to take all the good roles first. CONTRADICTS HIMSELF! Note the bolded sentence. Very scummy. On August 21 2010 05:15 SouthRawrea wrote: It'd be extremely beneficial for town and for any players thinking of taking traitor to avoid taking it. If you join the maf, you don't add a KP but just make it harder for us to kill the entire maf team off which actually is fairly easy if confirmed people are already established and we have our investigative roles alive. If you end up picking a power role however, you're taking a possibly significant role away from the opposing team, giving your team a bigger benefit than just adding a member. (Basically if you join maf by choosing traitor, you're not really helping them. If you stick with town by picking another role, you add a potentially good role to town/take one away from the opposing team. Not to mention if mafia is shafted with having one of the last picks, they may end up getting traitor which would be completely useless to them. Another superbonus :D) Stick with town. Fight team fight! Huh. Says the person who was going to pick traitor. Another contradiction. On August 21 2010 06:20 SouthRawrea wrote: It's very possible he switched up the types of town power roles to better variants (ex: Sane cops) which would give slight advantages to town. We also have 1 more player than the last PYP. However, this is nothing to jump on as it is most likely that you just considered the chances of that happening negligible. Speculation. even bit confused about this. Is he saying darth is innocent? If so, when we lynch SR, keep an eye on darth. On August 21 2010 11:22 SouthRawrea wrote: Changing numbers or at least I'm attempting to. Watching Full Metal Jacket again and reading Citi.zen's post got me paranoid. No content. On August 22 2010 01:52 SouthRawrea wrote: My numbas haz been changed my fellows. Regardless of anything Radfield says, any role except traitor would be beneficial to town as it either takes a role away from mafia or gets us a good role. Priorities are the only thing we can concentrate on rather than pro-town or pro-mafia roles. There really isn't a way in which we can secure the first picks for ourself either as some have already mentioned. SK and Mafia can just pick an earlier number without us knowing. We cannot let mafia know both the draft order and the order of our choosing. If they do, they become familiar with the roles of certain people which will allow them to more easily pin-point the good townie roles. (Essentially: Revealing part of our hand makes it easier for blue snipes. It's like Blackjack where you kinda get an idea of how well the other player is doing based on the card that he has flipped) First off, no argument is good when it starts off "Regardless of what my opponet says". Second, again saying traitor is not beneficial to town. WHY ARE YOU PICKING IT? Are you that anti town? Againk this whole argument was later countered as well. He says "Oh, its easier to blue snipe." that's why we had percentage and weighted roles. On August 22 2010 05:51 SouthRawrea wrote: I think we should wait till we get our actual roles first. When SR flips red, look at citizen. On August 22 2010 06:02 SouthRawrea wrote: 2/9. I was lieing just in case we were going to switch plans haha. You know, you could've just changed numbers. Nothing worthwhile here however. Let's move on. Then theres like 5 one liners of him changing his number. On August 23 2010 20:50 SouthRawrea wrote: I picked 10 honest to god O.o. Guess I gotta pick CV and get lynched tho. This post shows how SR was willing to follow the plan if he was going to be in such a contested role. Aka, he was willing to get lynched to follow the plan(since its not like he could fake it well due to safeguards and people checking CV.) Contradicting his later move. On August 25 2010 23:58 SouthRawrea wrote: Well shit. I would like to announce that at least 2 people did not follow along with the plan made for role picking. Starting to get closer to where we stand now. Here he states he did not follow the plan, despite knowing about it. On August 26 2010 00:23 SouthRawrea wrote: One is me :D. I'm quite obviously not going to announce the role. Basically someone picked a role that they were not supposed to pick which I had picked as well. Not a huge deal but possible mafia candidate. So 5 possible people who stole my role D:. Why are you happy about you not following the plan. Here you say you are not going to announce role(though you later do.) However, if you had really picked traitor(which I highly doubt) there would be no doubt in your mind you would announce your role right away. "Not a huge deal?" seriously? The plan could've been ruined! On August 26 2010 00:35 SouthRawrea wrote: EBWOP I'd assume that it's Hesmyrr because he would probably believe that his 33% chance of getting a role that's probably already taken is useless. He also said this. I'm going to go out on a limb here and because he said his role is anti-town. Do you mind us lynching you Hesmyrr? I have a very good reason to believe that lynching you is a good idea if you indeed were the one who stole my role as my role was anti-town as well. The first 3 would have no reason to change roles as it's beneficial for both town and mafia to take those roles first. #5 would also most likely want JOAT or a defensive role as well. Thus my suspicion falls on Hesmyrr. I would like to know of your role. He accuses Hesymrr based on pure wifom, quotes taken out of context, and speculation on what he thought. Incrediablly stupid, and highly scummy. On August 26 2010 01:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Okay you guys want the role? I haven't thought this over yet so it might be bad. 6 minutes later he does. 2 posts only in between. One of them zeks is saying let people publically think about it. Yet SR decides he knows everything and thought it all the way through by himself in 6 minutes. Neither post after said he should, they suggested he wait. Again, stupid and scummy. On August 26 2010 01:12 SouthRawrea wrote: Okay, I've thought it over once and I'm pretty pro-town move on my part even if it endangers myself. I chose traitor and was unable to attain the role. I believe the person who took the role is Hesmyrr unless someone else chose the roles on a whim. Traitor= the one role that doesn't benefit town at all and mafioso would not take. 1. Why in the world did you choose traitor. Also, your not pro town. This post shows your incrediably anti town as a matter of fact. And you still are accusing Hesymrr based on wifom, and speculation, without any real evidence of any kind. On August 26 2010 01:24 SouthRawrea wrote: That actually works quite well IMO. CV lives for today. No need to lynch him yet so he can shoot me. We lynch Hesmyrr today. Well I guess if my guess ends up being true there really is no reason to shoot me. It would be a safer bet than just random shooting someone. @Citi.zen You have no idea how mad I was D:. I thought I'd be sure to get Traitor and then this morning I woke up to find that Ace sent me another PM (as opposed to the one before the draft order) saying I was a vanilla townie. >< He says "Yeah, maybe you should shoot me. " This is the most pro town post in everything, and even that isn't that much. In fact, I suspect Southrawrer was merely going to get one of his mafia scum to roleblock the CV and he would live. That's wifom of course, but possible. It goes off the fact that mafia would get Roleblocker, and that as we have discusesed is very likely. On August 26 2010 01:41 SouthRawrea wrote: Just know that if I end up being wrong about Hesmyrr and when I die you find I'm vanilla townie, there is still a traitor in the top 5. Also FML if Ace screwed up the draft order again. States the obvious. However, he is not vanilla townie. On August 26 2010 01:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Actually if you look closely at his post: This could be a soft claim from him to the mafia as traitor. None of the actual townies would find this suspicious at all as we were trying to take roles away from the mafia anyways but the mafia would look at that and think, maybe he's softclaiming to us? They'd quite easily put any of their power roles on him to try and convert him if it's true. (They'd not bother using a KP on him obviously). Speculation(aka worthless) On August 26 2010 01:51 SouthRawrea wrote: I picked it on a whim. I wanted to make the game a bit more epic. I was actually gonna pick CV when I saw the draft order with me on top but the changes had me thinking a bit more. Also the bolded part is the reason why I'm screwed if Ace made a mistake that he wants to change to the roles given out or the draft order again. It's probably not going to happen though. So you ruined the town plan, picked traitor(the worst role you could've picked imo) all to make the game more epic? Seriously, why haven't we been hounding him. In conclusion, due to numerous contradictions, pleading for the usefulness of anti-town roles, accusing on speculation and wifom, and overall scummy behavior, I hereby urge all of you to vote SouthRawrer. He's serial killer or mafia. Either one is bad, and lynching either means we get one less kp or one less mafia to deal with. | ||
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On August 26 2010 03:39 SouthRawrea wrote: Pandain first off: Town plan was ruined regardless of me picking Traitor anyways as someone else did. Second, vengeful player is a pro-town role. It's not a large leap of trust at all to have them not kill someone if they did end up getting lynched. Would we also not want mafia to avoid having this role? Say there is a confirmed townie under constant protection, they're not safe from a MAFIA vengeful player killing them during his own lynch. I wasn't saying it was a high priority role but it certainly is helpful for town to have it. Serial Killer? Really? Why would I as an SK promote my own lynch if I'm wrong? SK isn't able to pick traitor either so how on earth would I know that a traitor exists within the top 5. Stop spouting nonsense. It was ok(not good, but allowable) for the #15(Divinek) to change his thing. You are #6. The plan was not ruined. Not only that, you picked traitor. As for vengeful player, as you said in a previous post anything that adds kp to mafia is bad. Vengeful player in the hands of a mafia, adds kp. Unless you now disagree with yourself. | ||
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On August 26 2010 03:48 SouthRawrea wrote: IF WE TAKE IT, IT'S TOWN KP NOT MAFIA KP. And how would you know town would take it? Anyway, just so you know I am trying to figure out a plan in the case you are green. I still am going to have you lynched today barring some miracle. | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:41 rastaban wrote: I agree, unlikely but if we let me vig him tomorrow then he can't do this and the worst that could happen is he is a red meth man and town loses the comp vig but kills a red power role. Fadoodle me :/ *sigh* We lynch Hesmyrr, he's a townie, so he'll be safe. Then we vigi SR. Rastaban will do this. I just have this gut feeling that the mafia have a plan or something, but oh well. I have to accept the fact that I may be wrong. :/ | ||
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Lets go with 2 kills a day from SK and 1 from mafia. Going with 4 mafia and 2 SK's, lets see 13 already We lynch hesmyrr(12) Rasta vigis SR, but he is bulletproof (9) We try to lynch SR, mafia pardons him Night, mafia role blocks vigi (6) We lynch SR(finally) Night, mafia role blocks vigi (4)(to 3 mafia) we lynch someone, mafia wins no matter what(unless SK hits both mafia, which they'll have to guess. They'll try of course.) That's the worst case scenario I could think of. And even that can be settled for example by behind the scenes things such as role cop and joat. add even more uncertainty due to the fact SK could kill mafia. Remember, that's the worst case scenario. As of now, I...I think we should lynch Hesmyrr. The only other thing I'm worried about is that we may have to use bullet bill/rolecop to settle this. We NEED to be using those to figure out who is mafia/sk. I'm just so unsure now... thoughts? | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:00 rastaban wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA, where are you getting 2 SKs?? There is no way this game has 2 SKs, that is way too much night KP on top of comp vig. Also I can't shoot tonight, so my first shot will be tomorrow night after that days lynch. so only 2 people die tonight (mafia SK) unless they are blocked. If mafia pardons him then I sk who ever pardons him and we lynch him the next day. Oh yeah, I was thinking of ninja last game and combining it with serial killer. I was thinking like serial killers have to compete with each other, but they just have to survive till the end. Ignore that then n.n | ||
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If so, what does that mean about the next days lynch. We can't just kill SR tonight then. -.- | ||
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On August 26 2010 10:20 citi.zen wrote: That game he was the miller from hell. In general he is a bit like Bill M and naturally fits Ace's description of "obvious scum to the point of destroying the entire game (the easiest to lynch but the hardest to find a trail after they die)". "Hey Pandain, you don't have to respond, but I just wanted to say you played a great red game. Talk to me after the game. I don't know how much of a role you played behind the scenes but you were textbook red..." n.n | ||
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On August 26 2010 14:08 Ace wrote: Pfft. I got 2 wisdom teeth pulled out each time a week apart. They had to cut in to my gums and the dentist left the nerves hanging so my tongue kept twitching on it. No codeine. Just blood and tears while I couldn't lull myself to sleep due to the pain. You'll make it ^_^ Ha! You think that's tough? I had all my teeth pulled out while I was still awake. It was all in 10 minutes, one a minute. Then they took out my fingernails and forced all the yanked teeth as replacements. *cue next 1 up* Anyway, I just want everyone to remember that its 10 for majority lynch. So, I think we should think it out before auto-lynching him. Not saying we won't, just have to think about it. | ||
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On August 27 2010 02:13 Fishball wrote: Yeah, Paldian , whoever you are, speak up! *Whisks off his mask.* Curses! How did you konw I was really Paldain the whole time? But I'm confused by your statement LSB. What do I have to explain and why would I have motives(unless you're accusing me of mafia, in which case I wouldn't tell you  ) | ||
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On August 27 2010 02:31 LSB wrote: I just want to see where you stand. I believe if you're town, you'd have a logical reason. Where I stand on what? | ||
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Originally I thought it might be useful in extreme situations but then I realized that using it is basically just skipping a day(which it is). I was thinking about getting two night actions from town roles, but in reality we're just skipping a lynch to get there. So no, never use it. | ||
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Of all the people, Hesmyrr is the only one who might've been traitor in my eyes. Even then I doubted it. I just don't see why any of the people who picked traitor would. Rastaban is confirmed CV of course now. So it's either zeks, chaoser, or LSB. Chaoser's bad santa, a very interesting role in my eyes, LSB is Prince of Darkness, no doubts there. Though perhaps he may have had grievances about not being able to use it(still, its for good of town so why would he pick traitor?) Zeks therefore would seem most likely yet even then I'm hesitant because he had the most chance of getting a good role(rolecop). It just seems to me that none of these people would pick traitor. Which leads to the suspicion that again, SR is lying. However, we're going to lynch him afterwards. Or are we? for what if SR is vengeful player,as some people have brought up. Yet we can't just rely on the CV to do it, as mafia roleblocker is definitely going to roleblock him if SR is traitor/mafia.They might even roleblock him just so then we have to lynch him to be sure. I also think its a surefire bet that mafia have roleblocker as well. Therefore, I say we lynch SR tommorow, even though he could be VP. As you can see, I am totally confuzzled. Medics: Don't protect either of 1-5.(especially 2-5). Why? Mafia isn't going to target any of those people because that would just give town a greater chance of finding the traitor. I would say protect 7-10 as that seems to be the most liklihood of being an important blue role there. | ||
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On August 28 2010 00:58 Radfield wrote: [/list][*]Pandain ---- Mason How do you know I'm mason | ||
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On August 28 2010 09:12 Radfield wrote: Fuck. We have a new target for the medic. Assuming people followed the plan( ), we have 4 possible role cops.Zeks: Could be traitor Fishball: 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive Role Brownbear: Vanilla Bill Murray: Mason Good chance we have no role cop.... Anyways, Fishball becomes a higher priority medic protection. Mind you he is still a 50% Defensive role, but if Mafia have a roleblocker, they may roleblock + NK. It's what I would do. Not even sure who's around right now. Remember medics, there are 2 of you(hopefully) and the Joat, so feel free to flip a coin or RNG between the potential candidates. Actually, I noticed that but wasn't sure whether to say anything. More importantly, Bullet bill. #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other On August 28 2010 00:58 Radfield wrote: whoops, messed up the list command(always preview!). Should look like this:
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On August 28 2010 10:12 Divinek wrote: woah lol sick, who can kill night one? and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit? Don't roleclaim. It makes mafia unable to tell whether they actually hit a good role or the target just got medic protection. And roleclaiming won't help us anyway since no pms. Only thing it does is make them confirmed, but even then that isn't that helpful. If really need be he can say he got hit if he's going to die. Also, the serial killer did. | ||
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On August 28 2010 10:17 zeks wrote: I survived the hit last night. wtf did i just say Fadoodle my life | ||
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On August 21 2010 09:17 JeeJee wrote: well i'm obviously picking 1/1, i shotgunned it, no blitz, gtfo DTA. there's no reason for any townie to double up on my number because i'm obviously picking CV if i get first, and we get a double lynch, all the time. copy cat is an interesting one though.. it's mostly only important if CV dies first. not sure about it being the #2 pick Here is his first post after the game starts. Just claims his number, says a role may be useful(via the use of one line) On August 23 2010 11:06 JeeJee wrote: thats it brownbear im taking dayvig and shooting yo ass spam no content On August 25 2010 15:12 JeeJee wrote: meh could be worse at least we don't have to worry about CC now one line again. On August 26 2010 10:52 JeeJee wrote: ##vote:hesmyrr to be frank, being told to pick a role just to confirm others have picked it probably doesn't sound like too great of an idea. i can see a "fuck that i'm going traitor" reaction following that Votes for him based on the fact that "yeah he couldd be bored. Hasn't contributed besides this vote on the whole traitor issue. So votes on wifom. On August 26 2010 10:53 JeeJee wrote: and to the above, there's another 24 hours left in the voting Here he again mantains the appeareance of being active, but note he hasn't really made any real contributions, any real analysis on anything, and most of his posts consist of one liners, mostly irrelevant. one line no content punny spam On August 28 2010 00:18 JeeJee wrote: i do find it odd that sr is asking himself to be lynched just because he guessed the traitor placement wrong. if anything, he should get cv'd, but if he flips vanilla town, we wouldn't be any further along and i don't think a mafia would just ask for a selflynch (wifom blah blah) otoh is traitor hunting even that high of a priority? unless mafia kp goes up to 2 with that extra player, its not like it's monumental enough to drop everything else imo Here we see the most contribution ever from him thus far. He comments on south's line to be lynched, and even says that it's all wifom however. Basically, he has the appearance of contributing but no real content. More importantly, note that he's also saying that we should drop the whole traitor thing. I would say one of the top 5 being traitor(when the top 5 were some of the more useful/dangerous roles[whether to mafia or town] counts as being monumental. o.O On August 28 2010 09:23 JeeJee wrote: now mafia won't hit BB question is, who is getting played here? useless wifom(aka is he lying or just saying he's lying) Basically all his posts are void of content, or when they do rely on wifom. He doesn't make any strong opinions or original ones, and he just generally seems apathetic to everything. Now I wanted to check back in his previous games as I don't know his style. Other people can comment on this in particular. But as I was reading through the original PYP, his posts, while rare and only one/two every couple pages or so, had content. It was paragraphs long. They had questions for people, offered ideas, or just generally helped. They had content! They had opinions! Note this with this, in which he seems to be just generally okay with staying in the shadows. Big change. Note JeeJee was town that game. I had just noticed this and wanted feeback on this guy, especially radfield(as he seems he really knows what he's talking about.) While I suspect JeeJee, I am only offering him as a potential list if we are not going to lynch SR. As I tend to be wrong, again please comment and expand/pick out flaws. | ||
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On August 28 2010 10:47 Divinek wrote: of course you wouldn't roleclaim that would be retarded it's perfectly fine to say who took the hit because MAFIA KNOW, so we might as well know too, ya dig? so good on zeks for actually telling us i totally forgot the sk existed, nice sniping by him even though he's the enemy Forgive me, it seemed like you wanted him to roleclaim(since yousaid "and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit?" it had seemed like you wanted to find out if it was a vet or protection) My bad. | ||
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote: If Zeks lied there would presumably be another person out there who took a mafia hit, unless the mafia made the nonsensical decision not to hit anyone. Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan. If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3. or zeks is telling the truth, he got hit, and he's traitor so he got recruited isntead of killed | ||
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On August 28 2010 16:53 DarthThienAn wrote: Hmm. Let's assume zeks is traitor and was recruited by a mafia night action. Assuming no one counterclaims taking a hit later today, mafia targeted him with their night kill - like someone said, win/win in regard to zeks being #5 and possible traitor. What are the advantages of him coming forward about being hit? Well, it buys him credibility (posting almost immediately), and it's a pro-town thing to claim after being hit by mafia (it was obviously a mafia hit, unless, again, a counterclaim later today). What are the disadvantages? People know he took a hit, and therefore, he's thrust into the spotlight. Why would he claim if he could've just slipped by while the town raged about someone not coming forward? Stay in the shadows, etc. To me, it makes a lot more sense for him not to say anything, and to stay under the radar and all that. So I really doubt that he's the traitor. Another thing I'd like to point out is that mafia most likely don't have roleblocker - zeks would've claimed "roleblocked" as well if that was the case, correct? It makes the most sense for mafia to roleblock + night hit the same person, just in case of bulletproof. Especially with only 1 KP, it makes missing a hit/failing a hit extremely costly for them. This is assuming that zeks isn't a traitor lying to us of course. Interesting point about the roleblock. If anyone was roleblocked, please say so now. You do find out that you were roleblocked, correct? This will help us pin down mafia roles. Also, please comment on JeeJee and your perspective on him from previous games/this one. | ||
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On August 29 2010 00:44 LSB wrote: Subversion Post analysis He barely posted anything, all he has is a Post about Pandain and a post about SR (Pandian) + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote: shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him. last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt. (SR) + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2010 13:02 Subversion wrote: does he actually REALLY want to be lynched tho? (lol frank pearce joke not intended) or is he just saying "ahhh wow i suck i failed might as well lynch me" while knowing we probably won't do that at all. i dont know, for me personally his post didnt actually make me consider lynching him. Conclusion, we cannot figure out anything, Subversion acted like a Mafia lurking. Still, a scum dead is always a good thing! He has alot more posts you left out(prob 16 in all). Half of them were irrelevant of course, but do note he was against lynching south, stating so in 2 or so posts. could be trying to regain cred of course, but given this and the fact we were supposed to lynch south, shouldn't we be doing that? Unless someone wants to offer a new lynch target... ##Vote Southrablahblah | ||
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On August 29 2010 02:18 bumatlarge wrote: Time to be useful. I am the god damn batman BumAtLarge was less tipsy then he wanted to be that night, stumbling around people's backyards. He had his favorite batman mask on of course. He found himself in a bush, right next to zeks' backdoor! What a nice gentleman, always giving bum change. Before bum had the chance to leave the kind man's abode, a spiffy looking fellow came through the backway (only zeks' closest friends came that way). Bum's vision was wiggty-wack, so he couldnt recognize him. Zeks greeted the man late at night with open arms. Soon after a scruffy man with blood in his eyes, looking for answers cam crashing over the fence. he almost ran right into bum, but he was to preoccupied with his mission (whatever that was. Immediately two other men broke from hiding paces, ignoring each other and heading straight through the backdoor. A large tussel took place, and bum was too drunk to actually help (HE WASNT SCARED, HES THE GODDAMN BATMAN) Moments later, all 4 men left chasing one another into the night. Zeks, alive thank heavens, stared out at them a few seconds with a wide open mouth, that turned into determination rather quickly. He phoned the police, and bum knew better then to loiter much longer. The next day, zeks stood in trial to decide the truth to his story. It turns out he was a suspect in the mishandling of some docuements, leading people to doubt him. Bum came up as his alter ego, Brum Warge, homeless philosopher extraordinaire. He verified zeks tune, and gave zeks a wink, but zeks was glaring intently ahead, that determined look again. Bum couldn't really sort out zeks motives, as he never finished 3rd grade, but he was willing to put his life in the hands of the town with zeks to authenticate what happened that night. THE GOD DAMN BATMAN What are you trying to say? Is this anything meaningful or just useless jibber-jabberooni | ||
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Why didn't mafia just use each of their roles to target #'s 1,2,3, and 5? three roles and one kill. I mean, even if the somehow got the worst of luck and only managed to get two roles, that's still a 3/4 chance. But according to bum zeks was visited by four people. If 4 people visited him: I can most likely seeing it be this 1.Mafia targets him to kill 2.Mafia roleblocks him(via defensive role) 3. Medic 4.Other role, Joat, tracker, actually would bum count as one of the numbers? Do you find out if your targeted with roleblock? If so, we need to know. Also, FoS on zeks for not saying so. Zeks says he was hit. I can't see mafia doing that unless he was roleblocked as well. That, or they don't have a roleblocker. | ||
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Also, Ace, does the person find out if they are roleblocked? | ||
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On August 29 2010 03:11 Radfield wrote: Yup, because there are very likely 4 mafia to start, which means no medic visited zeks last night. The watcher role actually comes in handy! I wouldn't have though it possible I can't believe picks 5 and 6 might have both picked traitor.... so sad. I have a feeling we have very few investigative roles. Speaking of which, I feel like it's time to say something. This either gives town more information, or more importantly leaves scum unsure who is who. I did not pick mason, even though I did originally. I changed it n.n | ||
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On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote: Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role. Something that I've discovered SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia Which means Subversion could've overlaped with 1. rastaban CV 2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor 3. LSB PoD/traitor 5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor Likelihood of Subversion picking CV next to nothing Bad Santa or PoD Don't see why Subversion will pick those either. Traitor: He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor. me: RC/CC/Defensive Role Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is... Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it. You're claiming rolecop? mafia knows me role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night. O.o. What other role could it be. Also again, WAS ANYONE ROLEBLOCKED! It won't hurt you to tell(right?) | ||
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On August 29 2010 04:56 LSB wrote: Exactly! Mafia would only hit zeks if they knew he was the rolecop! But then why did he survive? Because he's the serial killer But he's the rolecop. Therefore, Zeks claim serial killer rolecop or we lynch you. As you very well know if town loses, you do as well. Help us find the scum. Or you can continue to be ambiguious, and maybe we'll believe you. But I doubt that's going to happen. Don't lynch zeks, even if he's serial killer, he's still rolecop. | ||
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Is there a chance theres no roleblocker? | ||
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On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote: Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it. Defend it well enough and I may have something that can save you :p | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:01 Radfield wrote: Yup, a doctor should claim if they saved him or not. It's worth it to keep our role cop. Agreed, doctor should claim as it will be worth saving our role cop, or catching a potential serial killer/traitor(?). Unless of course zeks explains that quote of his, in which case I may be able to help him based on my own decision. | ||
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Actually, while I'm going to believe you unless a doctor claims he protected Zeks, your whole "proof" relies on that Subversion picked rolecop. Given only 20 minutes to pick, its not unlikely mafia was unprepared for a replacement/was not on on that time. I wouldn't be surprised if subversion, trying to find a good mafia role and unaware of the plan(correct?), picked either CV(duh) Prince of darkness(good mafia role) or even bad santa(at the very list interesting/grants KP) But again, I'm going to vote for zeks because 1.He claimed rolecop 2.He won't explain that quote 3. A doctor hasn't said he protected him. I'll wait till probably ~7 tommorow just to give time for a doctor to claim, but until then my mind's set on voting Zeks. | ||
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On August 26 2010 08:57 LSB wrote: Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575 I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor. Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler + Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original post Also south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility) | ||
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On August 29 2010 07:44 LSB wrote: Pandain you can't give away the code for the secret friendship alliance =O! Is Halarious! XD. Now I wish I was traitor so I could say I thought of that myself Mafia would defiantly know that I'm speaking in code! You know, its stuff like this that really makes me dislike you. I mean, when the town's thinking you just will start spouting your own thing. LIke here the town had already decided that we were going to let SR die, and then convienantly you just happen to "prove" he's SK. *sigh* I guess I'll have to think about it tonight. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On August 29 2010 13:45 zeks wrote: I really want Ace to confirm whether the pardon worked or not soon - I do have further information that I would like to reveal before I'm hung in 3 hours I really want to go to sleep soon, I'm driving 9 hours to New York tomorrow morning...(7am est) might wanna say it before your lynched. also, <3 you too opz. | ||
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okay. I'm the pardoner. I just don't think he's mafia. Zeks reveal your info now. Unless you want to hide it for some reason. | ||
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Can you still share it? Since your going to be lynched but not yhet? I mean, your not dead yet and the offical end hasn't been reached. | ||
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On August 29 2010 14:00 zeks wrote: Okay whatever I'm going to sleep - whether Pandain you decide to unpardon me or w/e after me giving you the following info is totally up to you. I'm going to maintain that I am town until my last living breath. (and if you're actually not pardoner i hate you for playing this practical joke =| ) Fishball did not follow the Radfield draft plan, my role-cop-check returned Bullet Bill. Did you not look at my last post? Its okay guys, I'm martyr. I'll protect fishball. | ||
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1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed. 2. I'm going to martyr protect fishball, and I want a medic on him as well. Therefore, even a roleblocker can't stop fishball from living as one of the protect actions will get through. Or maybe I should martyr someone else? But then what if two doctors aren't here? I think we should be safe with me martyring. 3. The last post by fishball before the game truly started(but after number deadline) was when he was number 7. I'm thinknig he didn't change it in time. Maybe this is just an excuse however. That's why I think fishball revealing will help us. 4. We need to find out who the traitor is as well. Either LSB or chaoser. Chaoser's my boi, so I say LSB. Although LSB did find the SK.(incrediably pro town). Perhaps we should lynch south to see if he is in fact telling the truth? Dw guys, Pandain the Pandasaver is here to save your souls and Jesus them up. Martyr ftw. ![[image loading]](http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-24/1237922775762.jpg) | ||
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On August 29 2010 14:46 chaoser wrote: Pandain, why are you multi claiming...also, we still haven't resolved this traitor business...either SR lied or LSB is traitor. Screw you, you know I was going to let you slide off for now but its time to bust the real taco stand. Im the real rolecop, I checked Chaoser and he's a fake. He's Vengeful player. | ||
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On August 29 2010 14:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: obvious....listen to me, ignore pandain No but serious the post with the jesus thing was serious. I'm martyr, and those are valid plans. And why shouldn't we protect fishball, opz? I mean, as I've said its very possible he missed the change deadline. What I would like is for someone to see whether he posted on another forum/thread after the draft list changed. That would be helpfull. | ||
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On August 29 2010 14:53 JeeJee wrote: no it wouldn't shut up you're a waste of post space No one appreciated my humor? Oh well I guess I'll be all formal :/. And you haven't been any better JeeJee, as I've noted you're posts have been lacking content severely, contrasting with your play in such games as PYP 1, where while you posted few, they had content and were long. Now your either repeating stuff, irrelevant info, or the such. Nothing really worthwhile. But here I still stand in hypocrisy. We should talk about who the CV should kill. | ||
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On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote: Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain? | ||
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On August 29 2010 15:54 Fishball wrote: No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms. Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT. Things get a lot more complicated from there. O i see I forgot about the Joat. He's possibly one of our last investigative roles too :/ . So kp is now 1? 1 kill a night is really managable n.n | ||
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However, no one has said so, and I'm almost certain everyone has talked since then. That leaves 1 of 3 possibilities 1. Someone has no said they were roleblocked yet(highly doubtful) 2.There is no roleblocker 3. Roleblocker was afk and didn't get to use his role. I think the second possibility is the most likely. However, the third is also possible. Now who would be afk during then? Brownbear comes to mind. Anyone else? I'm starting to think I might be an unstoppable medic(that is until I die. ). | ||
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I was wondering what you thought about JeeJee. | ||
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On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 . Yeah, and you didn't ever respond to my post. :/ I'll post it here if you want to explain why you knew/guessed logicaly. On August 29 2010 06:50 Pandain wrote: Actually, while I'm going to believe you unless a doctor claims he protected Zeks, your whole "proof" relies on that Subversion picked rolecop. Given only 20 minutes to pick, its not unlikely mafia was unprepared for a replacement/was not on on that time. I wouldn't be surprised if subversion, trying to find a good mafia role and unaware of the plan(correct?), picked either CV(duh) Prince of darkness(good mafia role) or even bad santa(at the very list interesting/grants KP) But again, I'm going to vote for zeks because 1.He claimed rolecop 2.He won't explain that quote 3. A doctor hasn't said he protected him. I'll wait till probably ~7 tommorow just to give time for a doctor to claim, but until then my mind's set on voting Zeks. On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. . Never doubt the power of human stupidity to ruin the best laid plans. For proof: See my reading fail at a first grade level last game when I was ninja. | ||
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On August 30 2010 02:45 Pandain wrote: Fun Fact: If you guys had been wondering why I continuously asked if someone had been roleblocked, that was becasuse I am martyr and can be roleblocked. However, no one has said so, and I'm almost certain everyone has talked since then. That leaves 1 of 3 possibilities 1. Someone has no said they were roleblocked yet(highly doubtful) 2.There is no roleblocker 3. Roleblocker was afk and didn't get to use his role. I think the second possibility is the most likely. However, the third is also possible. Now who would be afk during then? Brownbear comes to mind. Anyone else? I'm starting to think I might be an unstoppable medic(that is until I die. ).Also, there's a fourth possibility. One of Chaoser, LSB, and even maybe, MAYBE South was roleblocked. And they're not saying because they are traitor. Also opz (un?)intentionally claiming Joat is a concern. Why? Well first of all, why would Joat talk to Opz first? Without any information to give or anything. The only thing I could see is tha the wanted Opz to know he was Joat, but then the Joat wouldn't even know he was safe, so that would be a bad idea. Furthormore, the JoaT would have no need to tell Opz, as if OpZ was not Joat he would already know that the other person was Joat(or there was none at all.) *scratches his chin* | ||
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On August 30 2010 03:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: I didn't claim JOAT -__- I just said I doubt he did. My bad. i look too much into posts sometimes. | ||
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So we need a consenus. Whos the CV going to kill? It seems we're either going to kill LSB or south, and we haven't really decided fully. I Say SR, and the Jack of all trades and alignment cop both check LSB, as well as the watcher. Why? This can help many ways. 1. No matter what, we will find out the traitor/truth at the minimal cost of one death(South if he is town.) We will also get a sane check on the alignment of LSB. Why: If South is town, based on LSB's alignment we will know the traitor. IF south is mafia/traitor, we won't even lose a townie. 2. Helps the alignment cop find his sanity. Why: Compare his check with the check of the sane Jack of all trades 3. Can tell the watcher whether there IS an alignment cop(I'm unsure whether he should reveal it however. Not reveal who he is of course, but that there IS one.) Why?: there should be 2 people who visit him. If there's another, than watcher will know mafia targeted him. If there's less, he will know there is no alignment cop. Problems with this: If Joat or alignment cop are mafia. Thoughts? | ||
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But that still leaves the question of who the CV should kill. I say SR, just because LSB did find the serial killer(mafia would never do that, lowers overall kills by one). If SR is townie, then we can lynch LSB unless someone can bring up a good case to hit chaoser instead. Dont worry chaoser, I'll be defending you. | ||
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Basically, the bottom portion is what you need to know. + Show Spoiler + Looking over the original PYP makes me feel bad for all my unintentional spam. I'll try to group stuff more together. Sorry guys Anyway, The Plan for Tonight: For reference, Radfields plan: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote: My proposal for tonight: Compvig LSB Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea Tracker follow Fishball Medic protect Fishball Once Fishball reveals who he looked at, the Alignment Cop should check that person, as it will help to establish his sanity(at least it will once Fishball becomes confirmed). Fishball you need to reveal your pick as soon as you can, to give the Alignment Cop time to get his night action in. Joat do your own thing, you either protected or investigated last night. If you investigated, you should Talk tonight and let someone know the alignment of who you checked. If you protected last night, you should investigate Fishball tonight, as knowing his alignment is highly beneficial to the town. Again, if you ever find a red you should claim in the thread. If your talking tonight, go with whomever strikes you as most pro-town. Keep in mind that SK is dead, so pro-town means town at this point(as opposed to a SK who is playing pro-town) Chaoser, you should reveal your list the moment someone on it gets NKed Now first and formost a couple of roles will be dedicated to the conclusion of the Traitor crisis. I vouch for Radfield's plan, as noted above and right here. Do we have any way to find out Fishball's alignment? Bullet Bill, nope. Role Cop, nope. Tracker, nope. Alignment Cop, maybe. JOAT! Joat, you absolutely must use your check on Fishball. You are the only one that can. Alignment Cop should also check fishball just in case. Once we establish Fishball's alignment, he can do the rest. However, we need to be prepared for the possibility that Fishball's alignment cannot be ascertained. AC might be naive or paranoid, Joat may have already used his check, or one or both may not be in the game. In which case, we may need to lynch Fishball if he doesn't produce results. Fishball is bulletbill, but we need to confirm him so that we can confirm what he says is true. We know he's not traitor(zeks role checked him), so he is either town or scum. In doing this we can kill two birds with one stone and solve another problem: Finding the Alignment cop's identity. The Joat and the alignment cop should check Fishball. In addition to finding out his alignment(leading to the win-win situation of either town bullet bill or scum) the Alignment Cop will have a sane check to compare his sanity with. But this of course leads to the question: What if there's no alignment cop? This is why I offer an idea to the town: the watcher should also watch Fishball. The watcher is pretty useless anyway and only was useful because Bumatlarge watched the hit target. That is really the only situation the watcher is helpful, and that is very unlikely anyway. I feel this to be more important than that 1/14 chance. Moving on,as long as a certain variable is isolated(I shall explain later) we can find out this answer. How? The watcher should find 3 people visiting Fishball. Me(martyr), the Joat, and the alignment cop. If there are 2 people than there is no alignment cop. In addition, if However, this plan can be fallible if the medic will follow Opz and RNG between Fishball, Radfield, and himself. Then the watcher will not be able to know whether finding 3 people means there is an alignment cop, or that there is none but a medic protected fishball. Any ideas/sides on this? I am unsure as to whether the result of finding whether there is an alignment cop is worth the possible chance of Fishball getting hit. + Show Spoiler + Some notes to keep in mind while considering that 1. The chance there is no mafia roleblocker(no one claimed to be roleblocked last night) 2.Whether we want to reveal to the town(thus mafia as well) that there is/is not an alignment cop. 3. Future plans that will involve the alignment cop. Feel free(and please) comment on that. However, some further thoughts on Radfield's plan in particular. To resolve the traitor situation we need to have Fishball check one of the three possible traitors(SouthRawrea, Chaoser,LSB) and the town has to know that it can be trusted. Fishball could very well lie and say (for example) LSB was carrying a gun when in reality Chaoser was the mafia. Now, that's where we brought in finding Fishball's alliance(via the Joat). But in order to reveal the result of Fishball's alignment, the Joat will have to out himself. Indeed, even the alignment cop will be unsure as to his own sanity until the Joat either claims outright the result in the thread, or waits till the next night and pms him via the use of his "Talk" ability. Radfield, I'm somewhat new here, but I'm trying to think this out logically and I'd like to here your thoughts on whether the Joat should reveal himself, or face the fact we may have to wait for the next night to find out Fishball's alignment(because the Joat can talk to someone revealing results(for example confirmed townie opz)). A way I think of negating the effect of waiting two nights is making it so mafia is unable to contact/recruit the traitor(as long as the mafia has not recruited the first night.) We have tracker track Chaoser, and watcher watch LSB. If the tracker finds Chaoser leading to anyone, or the watcher sees anyone, then we know they were targeted by a mafia action. But I would encourage people to find a new plan as this relies on both that the mafia did not spread out there actions in an attempt to find the traitor night one(aka hit zeks, roleblock someone else.) and that the mafia will not roleblock the watcher. In case your getting lost, right now we are at the situation of deciding how to resolve the traitor situation. In order to do this, we must incorporate two things into any plan: 1.Who the BulletBill(Fishball) should check. 2.Who the CV should hit. These two will give us the info needed to determine whether any of the three are traitor. However, Fishball is the most important part of this. Fishball's alignment is uncertain and his check may not reveal anything if the mafia do not target the person that night. I think the plan should revolve around having the mafia unable to recruit the person this night, rather than finding the traitor tonight(as it will be impossible and I believe dangerous) to know that tonight. Plans should revolve around this idea. Everyone should realize the traitor situation will have to be resolved by night three(next night) as well as finding out the alignment cop's sanity. How will stopping the mafia be caused? I bring you.... The Pandain Plan: Helped by in spirit by the Brotherhood of the SFA. First off, we need to decide who the CV should shoot. The CV will have to shoot anyway, so why not help resolve the traitor situation. LSB dying is prefered because he is Prince of darkness, and if he is town the role is useless, and if he is mafia the role is deadly. So here's what we do: 1. Tracker tracks Chaoser 2. Fishball checks south. 3.Joat/alignment cop checks fishball. Watcher watches Fishball. 4.CV shoots LSB If the mafia tries to recruit chaoser, tracker will find chaoser visiting someone. In addition, if Chaoser had already been recruited, then the tracker will STILL find chaoser visiting someone. If they try to recruit LSB, they will be stupid because LSB will be dead. Figuring out whether South is mafia may be harder to solve. This is because of the aforementioned uncertain alignment of Fishball. In this scenario we will have to wait for night three for the Joat to safely(see:use Talk ability) reveal the results of fishball. But I have a slight variation we should do. Based on the results of Fishball's alignment check. 1. If Joat sees guilty he speaks up and says something. Whatever Fishball claims to have found via his Bulletbill check is questionable and a joat for a mafia will be good.(especially consider the Joat may not even die since he can protect himself the next night. In addition, we have me(martyr) and doctors.) 2. If Joat see's innocent he remains silent. Alignment cop will know of the result outcome and the town will know Fishball's alignment. However, there are some issues that need to be adressed in here: 1.If the Joat is mafia. Wait... #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other On August 28 2010 00:58 Radfield wrote: whoops, messed up the list command(always preview!). Should look like this: [list=ordered] [*]rastaban---- Comp Vig [*]Chaoser ---- Bad Santa [*]LSB ---- Prince of Darkness [*]Hesmyrr ---- Vanilla [*]Zeks ---- Role Cop, Defensive role or Copy Cat(??) [*]Southrawrea ---- Traitor ------> Vanilla [*]Subversion --- Picked whatever, Did not follow the plan [*]Fishball [*]Opz ---- Tracker [*]Citizen [*]BrownBear [*]JeeJee [*]DarthThienAn [*]siNiquity [*]Divinek ----- Day Vig [*]Radfield [*]Bill Murray ---- Mason [*]Bumatlarge Watcher [*]Pandain ---- Martyr Everyone who was supposed to pick Joat didn't. Except one person(possibly, he might've not even followed the plan.) Jeejee, the person I most suspect of being mafia. So there you go, if JeeJee is Joat AND not mafia we might have a chance. A 25% chance. JeeJee right now is very important. Let's take a look at something. I think theres no Joat. If there is, I think we need to seriously start thinking about whether he should claim because with a high chance of our bulletbill being stolen, the rolecop taken by sk(and dead), and the current claims of roles and the plan everyone was supposed to follow, there should be a 25% chance of someone having picked Joat. So you know what, Screw that plan. Yeah, fadoodle it. All of our plans tonight revolve around finding out fishball's alignment. If we can't do that, we need a new plan. I'm seriously considering whether we should have JeeJee claim whether he is Joat. In fact, I think we should just ignore this whole traitor situation. Unless someone can resolve this, we have no way of really finding anything. All we have is a confirmed town aligned tracker. Oh my gosh... he might be our most valuable asset if there is no alignment cop(high chance there is none too). I say we use the CV to go scum hunting, and we just try to weed everyone else out. + Show Spoiler + Also, some interesting notes: Opz claims to have followed the plan, and yet did the exact opposite. As in, he was told specifically NOT to pick tracker, yet he did. Yet at the same time he's confirmed townie(according to fishball. | ||
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Also, I'm interested in your thoughts right now Brownbear. On August 30 2010 22:55 Pandain wrote: Wait... Everyone who was supposed to pick Joat didn't. Except one person(possibly, he might've not even followed the plan.) Jeejee, the person I most suspect of being mafia. So there you go, if JeeJee is Joat AND not mafia we might have a chance. A 25% chance. JeeJee right now is very important. Let's take a look at something. I think theres no Joat. If there is, I think we need to seriously start thinking about whether he should claim because with a high chance of our bulletbill being stolen, the rolecop taken by sk(and dead), and the current claims of roles and the plan everyone was supposed to follow, there should be a 25% chance of someone having picked Joat. So you know what, Screw that plan. Yeah, fadoodle it. All of our plans tonight revolve around finding out fishball's alignment. If we can't do that, we need a new plan. I'm seriously considering whether we should have JeeJee claim whether he is Joat. In fact, I think we should just ignore this whole traitor situation. Unless someone can resolve this, we have no way of really finding anything. All we have is a confirmed town aligned tracker. Oh my gosh... he might be our most valuable asset if there is no alignment cop(high chance there is none too). I say we use the CV to go scum hunting, and we just try to weed everyone else out. + Show Spoiler + Also, some interesting notes: Opz claims to have followed the plan, and yet did the exact opposite. As in, he was told specifically NOT to pick tracker, yet he did. Yet at the same time he's confirmed townie(according to fishball. | ||
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Tracker tracks South, watcher watches south. CV kills LSB South is either mafia, town, or traitor. Let's look all possible scenarios South is mafia: Tracker finds him(since he leads to dead person) LSB is dead, but he was Prince of darkness anyway(if he was town he would be useless and if he's mafia he was a dangerous role) South is traitor(already recruited): Tracker finds him(since he leads to dead person) LSB is dead, but he was prince of darkness anyway(if he was town he would be useless and if he's mafia he was a dangerous role.) South is traitor(recruited on the night tracked): Watcher finds out more than one person visited him. Track him again the next night. If he sees anything, we caught mafia. Meanwhile, everyone but tracker just goes regular scum hunting, and after the results we can either lynch South(if found traitor) or Chaoser(if found innocent.) South is town: Watcher sees nothing, tracker sees nothing. We just keep having the watcher watch South, and meanwhile have the tracker track Chaoser. Alternatively, we can just have the watcher keep watching South, but then just wait for Chaoser to confirm his role via Bad Santa killing. LSB is traitor: We all group hug and sing Kumbaya | ||
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On August 31 2010 04:56 ~OpZ~ wrote: No...I have detailed specific medic protections. Fishballs role is 1000000000000000000000000 times better than mine. He gets specific's whether the person can kill or not. I just follow them, and if they don't go to a dead person because they drafted a role...well...I get useless info. And I can't even necessarily share with the town in that situation. Opz you're following the Pandain Plan right? | ||
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On August 31 2010 05:30 citi.zen wrote: I would certainly not be tracking SR - it seems like a waste, especially in Pandain's plan to watch and track him, while also killing LSB. We'd be wasting an entire night on them to learn little additional information about one single player. I'd track someone like Sinliquidy. Radfield is not a bad target either though. If we could somehow Fishball as town-aligned we'd be in fantastic shape. I think his check on you pretty much confirms you either way (unless, as Radfield said you're both red, which I just don't see). Incorrect, you forget the overall benefits of the plan. The tracker itself has a high chance of being ineffective, as every tracked person has a good chance of a role. Therefore, even if Opz did manage to track scum, as long as he had a role such as roleblocker, Opz would get no good info. This is a much better use of his ability right now, as it will help find a guaranteed scum. Remember, out of South, LSB, and Chaoser one of them is mafia. I would think that finding the traitor would not be a "waste", especially when it takes the place of previous plans to find the traitor(such as the unconfirmed bulletbill and uncertain Joat). By finding out information on south, we really gain info on two people. | ||
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On August 31 2010 05:45 citi.zen wrote: Wait, Opz, I change my answer! Let's track LSB instead. The PoD can't "travel" at night so tracking LSB should be effective, unless he lied and picked traitor. This also means we should CV Southrawarea. Medic - protect Opz! I don't see how this is anyway more effective than tracking South and killing LSB. Except in our plan if LSB happens to be mafia, we manage to kill him(since he is an extremely dangerous role in the hands of mafia.) So my way is the same, with an added bonus. Stick with tracking South. Sudden change, Citizen. Very interesting one too. Hiding something? *Insert more random baseless suspicion* | ||
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On August 31 2010 06:08 citi.zen wrote: Actually there is a difference: if guilty, South would not be traitor but real mafia making a false claim; LSB would be the traitor. This means South could be the vengeful player making a fake claim and not caring too much if he gets lynched, while LSB could not be vengeful. So out of the two I think South is better to CV and LSB better to lynch, if we see him visit anyone. If south is guilty means there is no traitor. And we lost Prince of darkness, which was a bad role anyway. Are you saying we won't be able to lynch south that day because he may be VP? Cause if so I can see your point, but am still uncertain as to whether the risk of LSB being mafia(and thus having his role be used) is enough to outweigh this. I mean, I think the safer thing to do would be to do my plan, than just lynch based on scum-hunting, and than have the CV kill SR so we won't have to worry about VP. But did I get your argument right? | ||
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Tracker tracks LSB, watcher watches south. CV kills South Medic(s?) protect Fishball. I protect Fishball as well. Unless anyone has any more comments on this, everyone must follow this. | ||
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On August 31 2010 08:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: Radfield, you're better scum hunter than me. Martyr Fishballs, Medic protect citizen/Radfield/Me/Fishball I don't care which. FIshball's role>>Me GOOD CALL CITIZEN CV SR Why CItizen? If anything it should go between you and fishball, and maybe just maybe radfield. | ||
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Me thinks medics should protect Fishball. But at the same time this leaves Opz and Radfield open, both valuable players(whether for experience or in game events.) | ||
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On August 31 2010 08:39 Divinek wrote: i think it's safe to assume there is no roleblocker since no one has claimed to have been roleblocked? Or did i some how miss something like that.. Yeah I'm starting to think there may be no roleblocker. Regardless, by tonight we will know. I wasn't sure today because if mafia had roleblocked the traitor, then of course the traitor wouldn't announce he had been roleblocked. | ||
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On August 31 2010 09:01 Fishball wrote: If LSB isn't Mafia, nor the traitor, tracking him would do nothing. Also, seems like everyone is leaving chaoser out of the equation. What if we hit SR and he flips Vanilla Townie, and tracking LSB gave us nothing? That leaves us with chaoser obviously, but I'm just saying. Either way, this issue most likely won't be resolved tonight no matter how we switch our actions among these three, unless the person we CV is exactly the Traitor/Mafia, or the person we track is the Mafia. I'm fine with anyone of them being picked. The way I see it, Mafia most likely will not hit the CV, unless the CV is about to hit one of their own. Even if the Town uses the CV to hit one of their own, they might just let it slip by. Think about it, it would be very difficult for the Mafia to win with 1 KP against 10+ Pro-Town players left in the game. As long as the Town is able to choose the right targets, then we should be good. Good post, and I've thought about it as well. In the new scenario in which we kill south and get nothing from LSB, then we know LSB isn't traitor and wasn't recruited that night. Then we keep having the watcher watch LSB, while we track Chaoser. Watcher will be able to tell if LSB was recruited or not. Meanwhile, we can get chaoser to confirm himself eventually(via bad santa list.) At the very least, we will be able to stop them from getting an additional scum. | ||
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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2. What was the result of the watcher/tracker. 3.Fishball who did you check and what was the result. | ||
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CV must've been roleblocked. Or he didn't shoot -.- | ||
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On August 31 2010 10:26 SiNiquity wrote: CV had to shoot else he'd be dead. Mafia wouldn't NOT attack someone as that's just stupid. So someone was supposed to die and didn't. Isn't it obvious? Mafia roleblocked CV. Either because they wanted to frame SR, or because SR is traitor /mafia. | ||
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Radfield was killed. This can tell us a number of things: 1.Mafia did not need to interefere with the traitor situation beyond the roleblocking of Rastaban. I'm assuming rastaban was role blocked. It is the only logical outcome. Note: They did not roleblock the tracker ,nor the watcher. They roleblocked the CV. And what was the CV going to find out? LSB's alignment. 2. They were scared of Radfiled. In addition to Radfield just being a beast Mafia vet overall, this probably means he was onto them. Expanding on this, Radfield was most suscipious of JeeJee, as am I. This is why I am voting JeeJee right now. Why not vote regarding the traitor situation? That should wait till the next night. In addition to being able to do another test via tracker,watcher, and CV, there is a good chance Chaoser will have been able to use his Bad Santa ability(if he hasn't already.) By using that, we know we have a non-traitor. So there's that. Now, stuff people need to claim right now. 1. Chaoser, if any of the people have died on your list and/or you have been able to use your ability. 2. Who was roleblocked. Specificaly, Rastaban were you roleblocked. 3.Opz and Bum, what did you find? | ||
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On August 31 2010 23:34 citi.zen wrote: Just to recap all the stuff what we know/was claimed thus far: #1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2 #2 Chaoser --- Likely Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge #3 LSB --- Prince of Darkness, was watched + visited by one other person night 2 #4 #5 #6 Southrawrea --- Claims he picked Traitor but got vanilla #7 #8 Fishball --- claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2 #9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball #10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2 #11 BrownBear #12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1 #13 DarthThienAn #14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball #15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1 #16 #17 #18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2 #19 Pandain --- Claimed Martyr, we know he isn't pardoner For completeness I will attached the "plan" list as well, since this might be what the mafia reasonably expected people to go by: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Little more helpful. Also, If I can figure out who a person is, but it would be a good role, should I tell everyone so they can protect him/her. | ||
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Just a couple things I need to know from Ace 1.Does rastaban still count as visiting if he gets roleblocked. 2.Is it possible for roles not to use their night power and not get modkilled or something. | ||
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If a scum (role cop, lets say) didn't use his power, and was tracked, would it lead to the dead person? | ||
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And we can just shoot him at night. Also, I want you citizen to track JeeJee tonight. Finally, If anyone is copy cat please claim now. And I want the other person to confirm it. The other person doesn't have to claim a role, just confirm the masonship. Cause there's three people possible to be roleblocker, and two to be traitor. And South is on both of them. ##Unvote ##Vote Southrawrea | ||
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On September 01 2010 05:15 Fishball wrote: Did the possibility of SR being the Vengeful Player just went right out of the window? Even if SR is a VP, its a 1 for 1 trade. In addition, it helps my super secret idea. | ||
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On August 26 2010 00:23 SouthRawrea wrote: One is me :D. I'm quite obviously not going to announce the role. Basically someone picked a role that they were not supposed to pick which I had picked as well. Not a huge deal but possible mafia candidate. So 5 possible people who stole my role D:. Also I just found this little gem. Don't know why I didn't realize. This post is just way off. First off, he's happy that he picked traitor, then he says that someone picking traitor in the top 5 isn't "a huge deal." Finally, he says they might be mafia. A traitor would not be mafia, they would just be a treachorous townie. SR is just so... inauthentic(whats that word) | ||
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On September 01 2010 05:36 citi.zen wrote: I love how you drop in the thread to stir the pot every now and then. You never follow it up, never point fingers, you just raise these coy little questions. Unless someone accuses you that is, then we actually get long posts. Right out of the mafia manual, right? Give the town nothing. Fishball and SR are my top suspects. Then there's the roleblocker, who has to be one of BrownBear, JeeJee or DTA. Oh wow, you know that's my plan. You say as long as we aim right, but all that matters is we find the RB eventually. They will have to roleblock him in order to delay. Anyway, Its not JeeJee. DTA would've claimed being roleblocked(since Jeejee visited him night one.) He's either alignment cop or Joat or doctor. But if he's scum the only reason he would be alignment cop is to delay roles, as mafia already know all the alignments. In addition, he's not doctor since he claimed to have "been able to confirm that citizen is telling the truth and opz is lying". Therefore, he's either a scum alignment cop(doubtful) or Joat, joat being the more likely. But now I'm starting to think he may be a townie Joat/alignment cop, who thought he had been able to confirm what's the truth, but then realized either he had a sanity part, or realized he didn't have enough info. If he's town joat, he investigated darth, as why would he protect/talk to him on first night? In addition, he definitely didn't shoot him. But then he wouldn't have been able to "confirm" the truth. Therefore, he's town alignment cop, or scum alignment cop/joat. | ||
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On September 01 2010 05:35 SouthRawrea wrote: I was saying that to throw people off before I finally decided to announce the role. If I blatantly said that it wasn't a mafia candidate then people would know it was traitor or else what would be the point of announcing it? If I said that it wasn't a mafia role then one would think that I was outting a blue or outtin a traitor. You can"t have been outin a blue . Also, why isn't it a huge deal. I mean, don't you think it would be important to have the knowledge theres a traitor in the top 5. Also vote for yourself, like you promised. | ||
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On September 01 2010 05:54 citi.zen wrote: [/i][/blue][/b]You certainly got me: I thought tracker was more powerful and failed to realize how awesome Bad Santa can be. Citizen, since I (believe I) know your confirmed, I was wondering what you thought about what we should do tonight. I was thinking that unless South is green, in which case we lynch LSB, we can focus on the roleblocker. I hope you've understood where I'm coming from on JeeJee. So our main possibilities are brown bear and darth. I would suggest cv hitting darth for three reasons: 1. I get more scum vibes from darth(see: "I know theres 4 mafia so..." 2. Me and brown bear are BFF's 3.This may be outside the game, but it seems to me the possible mafia canidates aren't that great, and I would think there would be at least one vet to lead them. Darth: already known for being pretty good at scum. I think Darth is more a sure thing to be mafia rather than BB. Of course, there's the chance both of them are mafia, can't discount that. | ||
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On September 01 2010 05:55 citi.zen wrote: One question: does a vanilla player get told if they were visited by the role-blocker? Yes. I asked Ace(whether in thread or out, can't remember) | ||
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I used circular reasoning I think a bit, hold on am going to have to change/adapt onto that theory. | ||
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He could be mafia doctor or scum, but any definite analysis on that will require more information(such as the alignment on darth most importantly.) Thus another reason to kill darth tonight. | ||
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On September 01 2010 06:20 citi.zen wrote: My suggestion is we lynch SR. He is likely vengeful & will take someone down with him, but it has to be done I guess. Then we CV Fishball and track (if I am alive) DTA. Nooooooooo you silly mongoose. I'm not advocating a new lynch, I'm saying we CV dta tonight. However, in the case that brownbear is roleblocker just to be sure we should track Brownbear. Meanwhile, the watcher watches a to-be determined person that Fishball will check. Therefore, if either Brownbear, darth, or fishball are roleblocker they will either be forced to not use there power or will be caught. | ||
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On September 01 2010 06:32 citi.zen wrote: It's ... day time! *facepalm* I know that... that's why I say tonight, as well as "new lynch" (why would there be a lynch during night) miscommunication ftw. | ||
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On September 01 2010 06:36 Fishball wrote: BB, DTA, and JeeJee are on my track list next Night. I'll let you guys decide who to track this time. Checking citizen could be a "surprisingly" good idea too. At least it gives him confirmation if he ends up without a gun. Good idea, but checking JeeJee will be better as it will determine whether he's scum or not. While it may be the same with citizen, it is more urgent/better to find out JeeJee as he is either 1.Valuable townie role. 2.Valuable mafia role. Next night we shall track Citizen though, if the river of truth decided to flow in your direction. | ||
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People who have: LSB, Chaoser, me, Bum. Fishball, even though my love for you increased 10 fold after you said "That's how I roll", I would like to hear why you are not voting SouthRawrea. You too, Citizen. | ||
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If SR is mafia(and vp) than he's going to kill the CV. They could kill a confirmed, but they know they are on the run since we can just sort out the role possiblilities at two a time. JeeJee, I doubt your joat but if you are claim so then I'm not going to martyr you. Cause then you can just protect yourself. I truly think your alignment cop however. But heres the funsies: I'm going to martyr JeeJee while the mafia are going to have to either shoot or roleblock the CV. They could roleblock me and shoot JeeJee, but even then that means that the tracker is going to find them. And even if Citizen is mafia Fishball's checking JeeJee. So they can't roleblock me or rasta without being found out. And they won't be able to kill JeeJee either. Now with JeeJee we are either going to find a scum or alignment cop. So even at the off chance they shoot the CV(or even fishball if he's innocent), then we have an alignment cop who by then will know his innocence. If there is no roleblocker than we let rastaban modkill himself. How can we tell who the roleblocker will or will not be? Easy: Here are the possible choices Likely: 1.Brown bear We are tracking Brownbear, will find if he's roleblocker. 2.Darth We are going to CV him, so that'll settle that. Unlikely: Fishball: We are going to have him check JeeJee(thus solving important mystery) and have watcher watch JeeJee. Citizen: As he explained quite well it wouldn't make sense anyway, but if none of the others are mafia/roleblocker than we lynch Chaoser. If Chaoser is innocent, Citizen is innocent as well as 4 others. If not, Citizen is guilty. It will be better to lynch chaoser anyway as the chances are still (slightly...barely...) possible that he's mafia bad santa, in addition bad santa will be useless now and citizen can still be useful. Add to this we have a large supply of nearly confirmed townies(especially sinquity and opz). Also bumatlarge and (hopefully by now) me. I think town's got this. Not 100% of course, but barring the extreme happening we got this. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + South: Godfather JeeJee: Mafia doctor or Townie Alignment cop Darth: Roleblocker | ||
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On September 01 2010 07:25 citi.zen wrote: Lol @ Fishball being "unlikely" red. I'll make a serious post on him sometime, but everything about him screams red this game. Have even you noticed who was supposed to take Bullet Bill according to "the plan"? Have you ever played with Fishball before? Go read Ver's analysis of mafia XXX then tell me if this is "town aligned Fishball" or not. You know, the guy who is assertive, smart and goes after suspects, or the one hanging back being defensive. I meant unlikely roleblocker lol. Dw, I'm suscipsious of Fishball but as of now we don't have to/neccesarily want to lynch him. Also, I changed my mind JeeJee. If you're Joat, claim AFTER South has the chance to use Vengeful Player. | ||
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On September 01 2010 07:55 JeeJee wrote: also, i'm not the roleblocker. this is easily confirmed by either darth or whoever i visited last night. (rb'd targets get a pm that they were rb'd) since nobody ever spoke up about being rb'd, i don't think there is an rb in this game Rastaban did. And I know you aren't roleblocker. You aren't day vigi, so you have to have the ability to visit someone more than once. Once again, who did you visit? Just say who, or I may just change my mind on the plan tonight. You don't have to claim, just who did you visit. | ||
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On August 31 2010 22:31 rastaban wrote: OK, I sent the hit in for LSB as I had mentioned earlier. Sorry for not hitting SR, I checked just before the lynch yesterday and LSB was still leading. I hed checked earlier in the day and it looked like town still wanted LSB then. I got a PM stating that I was roleblocked so my hit didn't go through. Due to a death in the family (not mine) some training that I am required to take was moved to this week and will be taking place at 6:from about 9-6PM (CST) for today and the next 2 days. I won't have access during that time. I will be checking when I get off work, just I won't be able to follow the thread throughout the day. In the words of Tassador: " Speak quickly executor. I grow tired of waiting." | ||
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Sorry about the death btw . So JeeJee you going to vote SR? Sorry I'm getting so spammy here I just want the game to end quicky lol. | ||
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On September 01 2010 08:42 Divinek wrote: woah i just was starting up and saw this "#2 Chaoser --- Likely Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge" does that mean he 'confirmed' those people, under the assumption that he's town aligned? Combine it with the knowledge that radfield and bumatlarge are innocent, then also compare it with Fishball's checks of Sinquity and Opz not having a gun, and he came forward to save opz(a townie). Pro town all the way. The only possible mafia thing that this might be is doing it so then he can help citizen "gain" credibility. But why would he need that when Opz was already being lynched? Citizen had all the cred in the world(had just counter claimed, was real). what Chaoser said was pro town and definitely doesn't help mafia. But yes, there is a slight chance he is mafia. That's why even that is taken care of. | ||
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On September 01 2010 08:38 Divinek wrote: even though we've practically assured our lynch, im gonna write ya'll a small novel today ???. Story? <--- confused Btw can you just vote SR or give a reason why not? | ||
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On September 01 2010 09:35 SouthRawrea wrote: LOL @ Godfather. Seriously I'm vanilla. You'd be risking too much not to vote me though. If you're gonna think of a plan, think of one that doesn't involve me as a mafia role. Seriously, all I've done is help and this is how you treat me D: . (J/k good everyone and I was glad I was able to get us a lead.) ##Vote SouthRawrea I just decided since I thought you were mafia you would have to be godfather(or that would be the logical choice.) And dw, you helped(if vanilla.) Now we found the traitor(LSB) Everything is well in the world. So, if south turns mafia, GROUP HUG If he's mafia, lynch LSB. I'll expand on what other roles should do if that happens. | ||
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I am the pardoner, but then I went back on my decision to pardon Zeks(pmed ace.) Amazed no one called me out on saying i'll martyr radfield, but then he dies. ##Pardon SouthRawrea | ||
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On September 01 2010 09:49 SouthRawrea wrote: EBWOP Pandain remove your damn PARDON. You're not helping save me at all nor are you benefiting town. Just wait till Ace comes back. He can confirm. You should be happy South | ||
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On September 01 2010 10:23 SouthRawrea wrote: A green for good information= good and NO IT DOES NOT DIVINEK. Stop being so naive. What if I'm manipulating all of you and Pandain and I are both mafia? What if it wasn't certain death at all because I knew he was going to pardon me. So just leave me behind. Go on without me! No! Dont die on me south. Seriously, you've been acting good in death. Idk... I trust my gut sometimes. | ||
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On September 01 2010 11:41 citi.zen wrote: This is a confirmed lie then. Hi Pandain! Yup n.n. But a harmless lie(no malicious outcome... aka I would be found out in 3 hours). So if i was mafia it would have no p ositive outcome. Therefore, you know it was a joke. Moving on, I'll lay out the warground once we see how south flips. | ||
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On September 01 2010 11:47 DarthThienAn wrote: I want to know too =o. Mafia don't necessarily need to have taken those roles farther down the line. A traitor is a traitor... 1. meh. if Radfield had said it first, would you have been down his throat? 2. Great reason. 3. Another great reason... maybe you didn't witness last game, but I'm pretty sure BB plays as well or better than me as mafia. Also, I'd be ashamed of myself if I was mafia this game. If I'm such a "pro" at the game, then why would I be making all of these "mistakes" and allow myself to stay under suspicion? I would've told the town anything worth telling like that. Assuming citi.zen isn't lying, JeeJee is not RB In the end, it doesn't really matter who we lynch. At the ends, its just a matter of personal preference/belief. | ||
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Forgive me then, I promise not to joke around. Mafia is serious business. | ||
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On September 01 2010 19:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: If JeeJee lives, I'm voting him for death tomorrow. I'm not traitor. South was clearly telling the truth....Rastaban had to be telling the truth, cuz hes picked CV. Hi LSB? Who wanted South over LSB? Citizen. Fuck, maybe Chaoser lied, who the fuck knows. To be told, I did as well(never really believe south. shows just how great a townie I am :/). kill lsb today, rasta | ||
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JeeJee, if your Joat claim now, so you can protect yourself tonight. In addition, I won't have to martyr you. Also, who did you visit last night. I have a sneaking suspicion it might be JeeJee, but since you are so reluctant to talk I am unsure. So let's take care of this traitor situation. Now as a SFA member I can't lynch Chaoser, but I can advocate for it, and definitely support CVing him(as he is). Because sadly, we cannot tell who Chaoser is. But tommorow we will have a surefire lynch. Tommorow, we lynch LSB. JeeJee, if your alignment cop I want you to investigate one of the confirmed townies (opz or sinquity.) That will help you define your sanity. If not alignment cop and are doctor, protect one of Citizen, fishball, or watcher. If Joat, talk to someone and reveal your results. Talk to me.......! n.n Fishball check JeeJee, However, in the case that brownbear is roleblocker just to be sure we should track Brownbear. Meanwhile, the watcher watches JeeJee to make sure Fishball will check. Therefore, if either Brownbear or Fishball are roleblocker they will either be forced to not use there power or will be caught. If JeeJee is alignment cop(which I think he is unless he is scum), than he will have known his sanity by then. Really though, we can either track Brownbear or Darthien. Which do you guys want? Everyone agree, or disagree? Please discuss. | ||
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On September 02 2010 04:03 Fishball wrote: Um, how can I be the Role Blocker when Zeks already checked me? Plus I visited ~Opz~ and Sin. If they got role blocked they would have been notified. Oh wow I'm an idiot. That's great news! What should the watcher do then.... watch rastaban. You can help see if he still got roleblocked(thus helping with dealing the possibility that he's mafia cv.) | ||
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On September 02 2010 05:25 DarthThienAn wrote: This is interesting... What would it mean if LSB was traitor? Either chaoser is legit (and confirms his list), or he's mafia (invalidates his list). What would it mean if chaoser was traitor? LSB is legit/mafia, and chaoser's list is bull. We want as information as possible, as soon as possible... I've considered LSB as the more likely candidate for traitor for most of the game, but the potential of confirming 4 townies (or is it 3?) far outweighs offing a traitor. We're at 13 players right now. 4 confirmed players is like a third of the town, plus you've got claimed pro-town roles. From there, it should be easy. Agreed almost entirely. No matter how much I believe Chaoser(and really the only mafia possibility is that he's trying to help himself/citizen gain some cred), shooting Chaoser will just give us far more information(confirmed townies...extra info on fishball(if chaoser is not mafia sinquity and opz are confirmed.). I don't see why either of them would pick traitor, but if we're going to pick one we should base it off of information gathered. Rastaban shoot Chaoser. In addition, I want to hear people's feedbacks on a new ideaof mine. JeeJee claims. Since I'm martyring JeeJee the only possibility that JeeJee would die is therefore if mafia roleblocks me. But then they will have to let Chaoser shoot, and we will have a guaranteed mafia traitor by the end of the day, as well as confirmed townies. Because truly, the mafia is going to roleblock Rastaban(to delay us finding traitor/confirming townies) But if JeeJee claims, not only can he give us vital information(aka who he visited, checks(since he's almost certainly Joat or Alignment cop.) In addition, he can even protect him self if he's joat and then I can martyr Rastaban. Thoughts? Also: Ace: If Rastaban dies does he still get to shoot? | ||
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Tracker tracks Brownbear Fishball checks JeeJee Watcher watches Rastaban Rastaban kills chaoser JeeJee: If... Alignment cop: Check Sinquity Joat: CLAIM! Everyone follow this. | ||
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On September 02 2010 07:04 citi.zen wrote: No, I am not saying "he will get role blocked for sure". I am saying that if the CV tells everyone he is targeting mafia, he will be roleblocked. If he announces he will hit a townie, he might not be blocked, since mafia likes dead townies. You haven't answered my question: do you still favor switching the CV's target? Pandain, do you follow any of this? It doesn't matter whether we switch the CV's target. Unless we decide to (stupidly) aim it on a person like Sinquity they are going to block Rastaban whether we target Chaoser, LSB, or possibly even go after another person to find roleblocker(like DTA, as was originally planned.) They are going to block Rastaban whether or not Rastaban hits the traitor is irrelevant. The point is then town is going to know WHO the traitor really is. I mean, its obviously great if we hit the mafia, but truly they are going to block it either way. So if in the situation we have here, where there is a chance either of them could be mafia (even though it seems to me LSB is the more likely), we should incorporate outside details such as who we will get more info from. Let's see the results: LSB: Find out if Chaoser's traitor(but not neccesarily mafia). Chaoser: Find out truth of whether there are 4 confirmed townies(HUGE), will find out whether LSB is traitor, and the 4 confirmed townies go a long way in future analysis of mafia roleblocker/mafia in general. | ||
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On September 02 2010 07:52 BrownBear wrote: I like it, but why are we tracking me? Just to confirm Opz? Don't see how opz has anything to do with it. We're tracking you because you claimed vanilla, so if you do get found visiting someone you can't fadoodle your way out of it by saying "Onoes I'm the alignment cop so you can't lynch me!" Also interested to hear your opinion in general. Haven't had any strong posts by you. | ||
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On September 02 2010 01:12 BrownBear wrote: I'll add in, seeing as I'm still the only one who hasn't. Picked Meth Man, got Vanilla. On August 28 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote: I'll claim. I missed the rolepicking deadline, so I'm vanilla. And I know I've been inactive, I'm sorry. It's about to be orientation week and I'm working my ass off. Opz I <3 you. New change: Tracker tracks Darth. We lynch Brownbear tommorow. Amazing catch opz | ||
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On September 02 2010 08:15 Fishball wrote: Fuck, there are more typos. Citizen's logic is making me cringe. Just to add a bit more content, lets assume we do have an original target "A". If town can find a better target "B", then sure " I will favor switching the CV's target". I'm pretty sure anyone would do that. I think he's asking you whether we should CV someone besides LSB. But I think I've proven that pretty sufficiently. More importantly, what do you think on BrownBear's slip up. | ||
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On September 02 2010 08:38 JeeJee wrote: this is big. bb is mafia, pretty much 100% JeeJee! You're here. I need to ask you a couple of things: 1. What are you. I'm martyring you, but need to know if your joat(so then I can martyr someone else while you protect yourself) 2.Who did you visit last night? | ||
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On September 02 2010 08:43 JeeJee wrote: 1. there's no need to make it obvious to mafia who not to hit. if you wish to martyr me, go ahead, but don't choose so 100%. likewise if i'm joat, i'm not going to say i'm protting myself 100%. 2. relevance? 1.We're at a point in this game where we SHOULD plan things out so that we can be sure of winning 100%. 2. Need it for info, I already know you HAVE to have visited someone else(since only day vigi can visit once and only once.) On September 02 2010 08:41 Divinek wrote: OH SURE YOU GO WITH THAT but you dont even acknowledge the analysis i did on how fucking useless and not helping town this scum bastard has been all game. Yes we should lynch him I wouldn't want to criticize a masterpiece in progress | ||
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On September 02 2010 08:50 JeeJee wrote: nobody has to visit anyone aside from cv. likewise, there's never a need to say to mafia: don't hit these targets. consider me as a martyr option. if i'm joat, i'll consider myself and others as prot options. nothing should be 100% because mafia can just take a green for sure. a joat/doc/martyr that never prots anybody are basically greens, so there's no upside to telling prots to mafia. Alright, we'll wait to see Fishball's results. However Opz I was a bit confused by what you meant when you said "SAME WITH JEEEEEEEEEEJEEEEEEEEEE". I looked through his posts and didn't find one saying he missed rolepick. | ||
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If so, then funsies facts: 1. If LSB wasn't blocked by roleblocker, and he wasn't if rasta is telling the truth, and he turns out to be traitor already recruited, than we know he must've been visited by one of these people 1.Joat 2. Bullet Bill 3.Alignment cop 4.Doctor. Just something to reflect on after we find out more info. | ||
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And Now Pandain would get his revenge. ##vote LSB. So long, good run. On the plus side: Citizen is confirmed. I want results on tracker, watcher, bullet bill, and JeeJee claim right now or your next(after brown bear of course n.n). Also who did you visit. And who was roleblocked. Lets move it people. | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:47 LSB wrote: Okay, I'll claim right now, I am the compulsive vigilntee. I accidentally picked the wrong role. I'm very insecure and I didn't want you guys to think I was not able to read the list correctly. To my suprise, I actually recieved the role! First Night I decided to try to kill Rasta (Since he claimed), it didn't work since he was medic protected. This night I decided to try to kill Rasta again... but my, that little guy, he was medic protected again o.o ##VOTE: Rastaban Cause he's the traitor LOL I <3 you Too bad hesmyrr picked CV. Mega faillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll | ||
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He's claiming rastaban is mafia. However, rastaban is roleblocked. So why would mafia roleblock rastaban if they know he's mafia? In addition, you would've said it right away. In more addition, you killed my BFF. | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:53 citi.zen wrote: I survived a hit last night. Also, I tracked lsb to myself. ##vote LSB Your confirmed citizen, but thanks to the medic who protected you. What do you think about lynching BB instead because BB might be a good role(such as roleblocker!) I mean they're both mafia, so why not lynch the more possible gain? | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:54 BrownBear wrote: I am so confused right now. Pandain, if you are convinced LSB = mafia, why in the hell are you voting for me? You didn't see your mega contradiction? On September 02 2010 01:12 BrownBear wrote: I'll add in, seeing as I'm still the only one who hasn't. Picked Meth Man, got Vanilla. On August 28 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote: I'll claim. I missed the rolepicking deadline, so I'm vanilla. And I know I've been inactive, I'm sorry. It's about to be orientation week and I'm working my ass off. Your both mafia, but I think you might have a role. So I would suggest people to vote for you | ||
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*sigh* Fine then... I let you live SFA member. For tonight ##Unvote ##Vote LSB Hmm... who was roleblocked then. Watcher? Fishball? JeeJee???? | ||
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I have a sneaking suscipsion Fishball was roleblocked . But since we were going to find out anyway JeeJee, how 'bout you tell us now? | ||
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On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote: To keep track of it all: #1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2 #2 Chaoser --- Bad santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge #3 LSB --- Traitor #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2 #9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball #10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2 #11 BrownBear #12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked #13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB #14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball #15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1 #16 #17 #18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2 #19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke Plan draft list under the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Putting this up here. We know theres a mafia roleblocker. Out of the unconfirmed townies that leaves: 1.Me 3.Darth 4.Brownbear Easy fabreezy. Listen, I know this sounds crazy, but why not hold off on shooting LSB? I mean, he's confirmed red. And shooting him early will be no different than shooting him later(especially in a non-lylo situation.) But if we shoot someone else and get the roleblocker, we can end this game much quicker and much more certainly. That's why I say we wait until 1.JeeJee claims 2.Fishball claims what he found 2.We find out who was roleblocked, or if no one was. | ||
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*sigh* On September 03 2010 00:14 bumatlarge wrote: Oh damn, I forgot to watch someone BALLS ##vote LSB Lol its alright, I guess at least the mafia FELT threatened(thus no roleblock) And if it makes you feel any better, I almost forgot to use my role as well. Citizen I guess I applaud you for taking the inititive, since if you knew you were town than you could assume Chaoser was most likely innocent. Therefore you knew LSB was mafia. Why would you track him? Afraid he was another role? I know your innocent just curious. Thankfully, due to no roleblocker than obviously mafia felt scared . Why would they be...? Because they would've gotten caught. Let's see potential roleblockers: Brownbear, caught in the lie most likely, slight chance he could be telling truth. Hasn't contributed much, inactive. Doesn't help town. DarthThienAn-mafia slip up(4 mafia), long posts however. They contribute at the very least. Me: Idk...make up a list why I could be mafia and I'll defend myself and my decisions. I've felt I've been at least trying to help the town. I actually think both Darth and Brownbear are mafia. But let's also take into account the fact that citizen was hit: Why would they do this? 1. Try to frame Darth. However, no one would've been roleblocked so why would that have mattered? He would've been cleared then(as clearly he would've freely used his mafia power if he WAS mafia and knew citizen was going to die.) 2. Darth is mafia role, visiting someone he shouldn't. 3.Darth is vanilla, and will be tracked to someone. 4. Just to try to get rid of confirmed townie(since rastaban was obviously going to be let to hit Chaoser, which would confirm Citizen.) In addition, citizen was a good role. The thing I find most strange is the fact that no one however was roleblocked. I would think that means he didn't use his ability but then if mafia had a plan to kill Citizen, which would lead town at a uncertain decision between brownbear and darth(as either could've used their RB abilities that night.), then why wasn't anyone roleblocked? Needless to say, it is all very confusing and most likely mafia was trying to get us to use lots of wifom. Delving into that forbidden zone however leads to some interesting results. Let's say darth is mafia and had use his roleblocking ability. He could very well say the next day that it was brownbear who used it, and mafia was trying to frame him. One man against another. If brownbear was mafia, than he would've easily used his roleblocking ability. Because he knew citizen was going to die and knew(wrongly) he could use this against Darth to stay alive more likely. Using wifom is questionable at best however,and I suppose it is negligible. Is that wifom actually, since I sort of derived it one from another. I suppose I'm predicting their actions, so yes? Idk... use at your own peril. So let's see: Things we need to know: 1. JeeJee claim. Are you alignment cop? Or are you(I don't think so but...) medic. | ||
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So here's the possible mafia: 1.Rastaban(unlikely) 2.Fishball(I think unlikely, i'll put it at maybe) 3.Darth 4.Brownbear 5.Divinek(maybe/unlikely) 6.Me(I'm pardoner dumbpandas) [ Compared with the confirmed townies: Sinquity, Opz, Citizen, Bumatlarge. Compare it with the possible Roleblockers: 1.Brownbear 2.Darth 3.Me(I suppose...objectively.) Now Don't lynch me......... Fishball can track me. We CV Darth/Brownbear(whatever you guys want.) I want medics protecting the confirmed list, and us to go through pottential roleblockers(except me), | ||
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Fishball checks me Tracker checks brownbear Rasta shoots CV Medics protect confirmed townies. I do as well. Everyone agree? Watcher watches me(in case I get roleblocked/fishball isn't BB and theres a huge conspiracy LOL. Just defense for me. | ||
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On September 03 2010 05:08 citi.zen wrote: No: Telling BrownBear that he will be tracked is a bad idea. If he has any role and "stays home" we get nothing but confusion. I believe that if he is red he has a role, for reasons I already stated. Given the nature of my role I am not going to announce who I am tracking, to keep people honest. The same could be true for the watcher I guess. Also, I'd rather ask Rastaban to shoot BrownBear than himself (is that allowed) next night cycle. See, but I think announcing who you're going to track will help us anyway, because they will not use their roles. WE are going to lynch both of them anyway, as I at least suspect both of them heavily, and in addition they are part of the unconfirmed townies. For example, last game they didn't roleblock anyone, probably because they were afraid of getting tracked. If darth is roleblocker, we kill him. If Brownbear is, he can't use his role. Either way, the roleblocker will either be forced to not use his power or he will be dead. Do you see my point? | ||
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On September 03 2010 05:18 citi.zen wrote: I must confess I do not see your point. How would we know DTA is the RB if I tracked BrownBear? Because he will be killed. And if brownbear is roleblocker you will have tracked him to Rastaban. and if rasta gets blocked then we know darth is the roleblocker. | ||
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On September 03 2010 05:38 citi.zen wrote: This is what you proposed: Who will shoot DTA? And why would we shoot him over a confirmed liar who hasn't done anything the entire game? ROFL epic fail. How would rastaban shoot himself? I mean for him to shoot darth. 1.He's not "totally" confirmed. Just most likely. remember that. I mean, his excuse is paltry at best and he totally said it way too late but I feel as of now that if darth and brownbear are both mafia, getting rid of darth will be better. | ||
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Stick with the plan. | ||
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On September 03 2010 04:50 Pandain wrote: Okay does everyone agree with this? Fishball checks me Tracker checks brownbear Rasta shoots Darth Medics protect confirmed townies. I do as well. Everyone agree? Watcher watches me(in case I get roleblocked/fishball isn't BB and theres a huge conspiracy LOL. Just defense for me. The basis of this strategy is just ensuring that we find the roleblocker fast, and then we just protect confirmed townies and lynch the unconfirmed. We can go via a personal preference. Sure, after we hit BB and Darth we should go after Divinek. Everyone follow the above plan. Town's got this, let's not go and fadoodle it up. | ||
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Sinquity, Opz, Citizen, JeeJee(if fishball is town), and Bumatlarge. I know I will. | ||
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in either case, now we take care of Brownbear. He's the most likely person to be roleblocker. And if he's not, then we let rastaban mod kill himself because there might be no roleblocker. Anyway, I'm going to wait for some night results and any new thoughts/ideas, but as of now people should remember that our target for this day will be Brownbear. | ||
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On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote: To keep track of it all: #1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2 #2 #3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2 #9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic? #10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2 #11 BrownBear #12 #13 #14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball #15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1 #16 #17 #18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2 #19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke Plan draft list under the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other From this list we can see that the only people who it's possible to be roleblocker are: 1. Brownbear 2.Me We should lynch brownbear today, then if he's not roleblocker I should say we should lynch. In the case after lynching/killing both of us you find out none of us are roleblocker, than town should hit Rastaban as there obviously is no roleblocker. Of course, if a townie picked roleblocker he should say so now, as that would ruin everything. I know it was partly discussed that it might be good for a townie to pick roleblocker so if a townie went along and did that then he should claim. Still, that's unlikely at best and even more doubt is thrown on it due to the fact that rastaban claims he was roleblocked night 2. Why would townie do that(unless he was going on his own inititive). So if either Sinquity or (possibly) Opz(since opz has claimed like 3 things now) are roleblocker, than you should claim now. Confirmed townies: Bumatlarge,citizen, Sinquity, opz, Unconfirmed: Pandain(unless fishball succesfully checked me), Divinek, Heck, lets just let rastaban modkill himself, and then it will be 4(3 if mafia succesfully kill someone during the day) confirmed townies to 3 unconfirmed(2 if fishball succesfully checked me.) I think if Fishball managed to check me, and is town(therefore doesn't lie.), it will be 2 unconfirmed. But most likely if there is a roleblocker, he will have rb'd Fishball. However, anyone else find it strange that the CV wasn't roleblocked? Unless, again he was scared that Citizen would succesfully track him and therefore didn't use his power. So the plan: 1. Lynch Brownbear a)if mafia.... i.)if roleblocker, go through unconfirmed such as me(if fishball was roleblocked), divinek, rastaban, and fishball. Preffered order I suppose would be divinek, then me, then fishball, then rastaban. In addition, you guys might want to have rastaban let himself be modkilled. b.)If town, then rastaban is mafia(since there is no roleblocker.) We kill him, and hopefully game is over. Everyone follow/agree? Then you guys can go through the rest of us I s'pose. | ||
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On September 04 2010 11:55 SiNiquity wrote: \ Disagree. Primarily with 1b's conclusion - if BrownBear's town, that says nothing about the existence of a Roleblocker or lack thereof. The roleblocker could be you. Steering the town doesn't clear you, and leaving out critical possibilities such as that out makes you even more suspicious. Your recent history of sporadic lying doesn't help either. IF brownbear is town, we should lynch me(as I could be rightly roleblocker.) Forgive me, I said we should do it in the paragraph but then forgot to put it in the plan. Thank you. But then after doing that, we should lynch Rastaban. Because me and Brownbear are the only ones who could be mafia. On September 04 2010 11:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: And one more thing. Rastaban cannot strategically modkill himself. It's against the rules. -______________- Oh yeah, frick. Hmm... we may have to waste a lynch on him then. On September 04 2010 11:32 citi.zen wrote: So DTA was the 2nd mason. Odd there is no other role for him - a mafia picking that far down could safely go GF I would think. Divinek killed the other mason day 1. The mafia would probably try to use BM in more creative ways? I don't know, but it slightly moves Divinek towards the back of the list in my mind. An unconfirmed person cannot "confirm" you at this time. True beans, true beans. In fact, perhaps we should have the CV kill Fishball IF fishball was able to succesfully check me. Then he could confirm me, and we'd have both one less unconfirmed and one more confirmed. So the plan: We lynch Brownbear a.If mafia i.If roleblocker, then we have CV kill Divinek, fishball check me, and then lynch Fishball in the mroning. Medics can protect confirmed throughout that. ii.If not, then we have the CV kill me, and in the morning lynch rastaban once you find out im innocent. If in the chance that the CV is roleblocked, then you can lynch me right away. Because everyone else must be another role, and I must be mafia(because Fishball and Divinek and Rastaban are all confirmed roles, none of which are roleblockers.) Okay, I'm working on the part where if he is town(which I think unlikely anyway.) But I need to know some stuff: 1. Is there a town roleblocker 2. Citizen, did you track brownbear. Was it succesful? 3.Ace, if BM masoned up with Darth, will darth show up as mason. | ||
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So citizen: 1.Did you track Brownbear? If so, what did you find? 2. Were you roleblocked?(would assume no but just making sure) 3. If you didn't track brownbear, who did you and what did you find? If you have succesfully tracked Brownbear, than I'm pretty sure we've won the game.] In addition, Sinquity, Opz, I'd like you to both confirm that none of you are roleblocker. Also, I'd like to start throwing the option out there that maybe Opz should claim(as if he is methman than we don't have to protect him.) | ||
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1. There MUST be a roleblocker since Rastaban is modkilled if he doesn't shoot. Unless mafia decided not to shoot and let the CV do it, which would be stupid(as they could've shot and still gotten away with it.) 2. Subversion...how did he die. Must've been the CV. Did we plan it? If not, that definitely helps clear him up. I'm looking at all this and starting to get a definite pro-town feel from Rastaban. On September 04 2010 15:18 Divinek wrote: So I'm stuck trying to think objectively, and since i'm invovled that's naturally hard to do. Out of the list of uncofirmed's we have uh Unconfirmed: Pandain(unless fishball succesfully checked me), Divinek, Brownbear(will be lynched today), Rastaban, Fishball. as pandain said. so should i be the last one to die since you know i dont have a role that could be hurting town? (since we dont even know wtf pandain is) Or should my death be more pertinent because of my suspicious behaviour? Even though you know my only harm could be being a vanilla mafia at this point. Though would it be better to kill me because you know then you're not killing a potential blue role? But are blues even needed at this point, when we dont know if those are just mafia with roles? help me out objective confirmed townies Of course this is me wanting to live, but i'm also trying to look at it in a best way to help town. Well no role anymore (after roleblocker) can really be "hurting" town. Lynching Brownbear will happen no matter what. We need the additional info from last night in order to plan out the rest of the game though. | ||
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On September 05 2010 00:58 BrownBear wrote: Can we let citi.zen speak and say if he tracked me before bandwagoning me to death, please? I'm sorry super secret friend, but even if you weren't tracked to anybody it wouldn't mean anything. You easily could have just not roleblocked. Face it, your like the only one who could be roleblocker without there being a bigger conspiracy(aka Rastaban lying, Fishball being roleblocker the whole time wtf) | ||
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On September 05 2010 01:07 SiNiquity wrote: Excellent. Then this gives us a little bit of additional information: If Rastaban is town, then Divinek is town or equivalently, If Divinek is Mafia, then Rastaban is Mafia The reasoning behind this is thus: If Divinek were Mafia and Rasta town, then Divinek would've day vig'ed Rasta on day 1. Passing CV on to Darth (Mafia) would've been completely worth it. Also, more discussion here before lynching, thanks. + Show Spoiler [To CV or not to CV?] + On September 04 2010 11:44 SiNiquity wrote: DTA was copycat huh (pretty sure there was only 1 mason this game, but with BM dying first CC would get his role)? Hmm down to 9 with 2 Mafia left... at this point, is it advantageous to keep the CV? Suppose, worst case scenario, we persistently hit town (I don't foresee this given the large number of confirmed players, but again worst case here): With CV
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The tradeoff here is Mafia is guaranteed one more hit which will of course hit town (whereas CV has a chance to hit Mafia). However, it also gives one additional use of the Bullet Bill and Tracker, while also removing a potentially dangerous role should the CV turn out to be Mafia. This is of course presuming Fishball is town (tracker seems to be pretty handicapped with the roles taking priority). The fact that JeeJee was killed, confirming Fishball's claim that he was not Mafia, sadly does nothing to confirm Fish himself. Although I'm admittedly surprised Mafia would go after JeeJee rather than someone on Chaoser's list. Hmm... Also who did Fish confirm last night? ## Vote Rastaban (unless someone can show me how the above plan is bad). *sigh* Stick with the plan, guys. There are a number of flaws in your argument. For example, you say that if Divinek was mafia than he would have certainly used his day vig on Rastaban. But doing that would be certain death for divinek, so I highly doubt even a 1-1 trade would be good. Add to that the fact that the mafia has roleblocker and you can tell they wouldn't even need to worry that much about him. In addition, you yourself say that they can both be town. What are you doing then? You're getting rid of a sure fire lynch we have right now(Brownbear) for a maybe, just maybe lynch. Furthormore, add what I have said above about Rastaban to the fact that Rastaban started the whole suscipsion of Divinek(which Mafia would NEVER do at this late in the game.) Change back to Brownbear Sinq. But just to clarify, you are not town roleblocker correct? Just have to make sure. | ||
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The Killing of Subversion. How did he die? CV couldn't have done it(wasn't able to yet.) Mafia wouldn't have done it. Day vig was already taken care of. So that leaves two options: Joat or weak doctor. I'm thinking perhaps either of these should claim, especially the doctor. We need him to keep on "protecting" scum. Or is there something I am missing.... Please discuss before claiming, don't want to give mafia unnecessary info if they don't need it. | ||
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On September 05 2010 01:14 BrownBear wrote: Or you could be the roleblocker... I dunno, either way, I guess I'm dead. W/e. Vote: BrownBear When I'm dead, do me a favor and catch the real mafia. Arghhhhhhhhhhh fadoodle you. Logic says your mafia but my heart says your pure.(awww) ##Unvote BrownBear Only until we get the info we need and can formulate a plan in which your town. | ||
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On September 05 2010 02:26 SiNiquity wrote: Yes, you're missing the fact that Zeks admitted to it (Serial Killer). *facepalm* Epic...fail | ||
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On September 05 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote Pandain Him or Fishball. Fishball has been beyond useful. Stop belaying suspicion on SiNiquity, wasn't he on the ELF list, along with me and citizen? Why are you ignoring that Pandain? Why should I need to claim at any rate. I was, not only checked by Fishball, but I was also cleared by Bad Santa. And Fishballs checking ELFs....Why did Fishball check Sin? Wasn't the bad santa list out by this point? That seems suspect. And where is Fishball AND citizen. Anyone who has a vote on anyone right now is EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. We need to think about this shit. Not jump into shit. You people are going to get a townie lynched by bandwagoning, and if we lose a in-the-bag game because you guys decide to vote before hearing everyone? PM prod a hoe. Fuck. 1. I never ever put suscipsion on Sinquity, you should realize that I had to th ink long and hard about changing my plan because I knew he was confirmed. And I am martyr. Anyone who doesn't realize that all was a joke is a silly panda. And voting for me as of now is just stupid. Let's vote off from lists of two and finding information(aka, such as lynching brownbear will find info and lynching rasta will find info) instead of starting a bandwagon on me. | ||
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On September 05 2010 06:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: Pandain. You are working under this assumption you are some how confirmed? =/ And lynching fishball at any situation right now, stupid as hell. Lynch for information, nah. We don't need to lynch him to confirm his checks? Why? Most of his checks are confirmed via Chaoser. I'm with Rastaban on Divinek, but I think Rastaban should CV him. Mmm... my plans never base around that I'm confirmed. I constantly say that I'm unconfirmed. And in fact, I think lynching Fishball could be a very useful thing to do. Think about it: If he checked me and he checks another person tonight, than we can have both two more confirmed people and one less confirmed(after we lynch Fishball.) I think that's a very good trade imo. As for my night actions... lets see. Night one: Rastaban Night two: JeeJee Night three: Citizen. Also Divinek I get the weird impression you don't like me :p | ||
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If Brownbear is town: CV shoots me, fishball checks someone unconfirmed (but doesn't have gun) Fish ball reveals results, and we also lynch Fishball. Than we lynch Rastaban, as Fishball will show up red. Any opinons? If not, I'm voting for Brownbear in 4 hours. | ||
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On September 05 2010 23:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...So...we kill you...if brown bear is town.....then we kill fishball...to prove his results....when...almost all of his results have been on Chaosers ELF list....or died....like the only one that wasn't....JeeJee... @______________@ What part of that do you not get. EVERYONE, with the exception of JeeJee, that Fishball has checked, has already been proven innocent by CHAOSER. Killing fishball to prove he's right is STUPID, because everyone he checked is ALREADY PROVEN innocent by Chaoser and Death. Then you ASK to be killed, and CLAIM to be town? WTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTF citizen, I want your lynch opinions. Everyones being quiet and afraid to post, and Pandain is just giving me a head ache. Like...I like the guy, but omg. Wtf...Have you even read my last post beyond the vote for you? I've done explained... I meant for Fishball to check someone besides me, who is unconfirmed, and then we lynch him in the day and find one more confirmed/one less unconfirmed. But as I see now it would be pointless as I'm the only unconfirmed role who is (at least claiming) a non gun role. Therefore, Fishball will be useless from now on. I'm asking to be killed IF Brownbear is not roleblocker. Because then we either I willl have to be roleblocker or Fishball and Rastaban are both Mafia(and lied.) So actually perhaps Rastaban killing me tonight and then we lynch Rasta in the morning? Of course if Rasta is mafia and there is no roleblocker than most likely he will claim to have been roleblocked. So perhaps even citizen can track me and see there was no roleblocker.... So maybe: 1.Lynch Brownbear, and if he's town than have CV kill Divinek, and have tracker track me(thus no roleblocking), and then we lynch Rastaban in the morning. Than you guys can lynch me and Fishball. I'd prefer to stay alive as long as I can, its true, since I am martyr. But on the basis of objectiveness I'm trying to find a plan that will ensure town victory even in the case in which I am mafia. | ||
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On September 05 2010 23:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity. Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek. Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot. I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight. Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain. Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball? =/ Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____- Also, we don't outnumber them sadly. Its 5 unconfirmed to 4 confirmed, your counting rastaban as confirmed. Argh... if only Citizen had tracked Brownbear we would've had this game in the bag(as we could've told whether he's roleblocker or not.) WHY CITIZEN WHY!!! | ||
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Alternatively, Brownbear could be mafia and I am roleblocker, but I think the fact that if Citizen had done what I told him to we would've won at least adds some pro town points for me. ##Vote Rastaban. | ||
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My guesses: Either Brownbear and Rastaban/Divinek Fishball/Rastaban Also, Fishball was indeed roleblocked. I'd still like to hear more feedback on whether we should lynch the CV. I'm thinking we should to avoid a situation in which he is mafia. | ||
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On September 06 2010 03:46 SiNiquity wrote: Do not vote for anyone. I may have something verry important (coming in just a few minutes). ##Unvote | ||
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On September 06 2010 04:04 bumatlarge wrote: Well pandain, if you really are martyr, we have the game won. You just protect citizen or myself, and with Opz as methman and siniquity as an undetermined role thats likely a defensive role, we have cant really lose. Or you are lying. Yeah, really leaning towards divine/pandain now. citizen, fishball claimed to be RB'd Is Opz methman? That makes things good(one less person to protect) | ||
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In addition, to further add to Sinquity's plan, I find it hard to believe that Rastaban would be green and Divinek red. Because Divinek would know who the copy cat was(Darth) and would've shot the CV in order to let Darth get that The Compulsive Vigilante. Would they really waste it on BM? | ||
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On September 06 2010 05:25 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote BrownBear > . Why don't you want to vote Rastaban. Seriously guys, a mafia CV is a force to be reckoned with. | ||
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On September 06 2010 06:37 Divinek wrote: i think it was already also said that he could have stacked with mafia kill, and claimed rb Oh yeah forgot you can do that. I suppose its irrelevant(sort of) anyway since as long as we follow Sinquity's plans and that one essential assumption is correct than we win. | ||
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On September 06 2010 07:21 SiNiquity wrote: @Pandain: Oh what I would give to have BM in your place right now You're not fooling anyone. Ace declared earlier that you would need to unpardon in the thread (which you didn't), not in PMs, and Zeks was lynched anyway. Despite the fact you can't do what you're alleging to do, even if you could, you and Rasta would be up on the chopping block and I wouldn't be making this ridiculous FSM. Didn't mean to fool anyone this time lol. Just more like a throw back to the original one, which apparently only I found funny :/. W/e, we have downtime until the lynch. | ||
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On September 06 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote: The mafia might have an extra kp. I see no reason for them to pass up the GF role, for example. The only possible people to have an extra kp(and thus be able to kill people) are me and Brownbear. That's because everyone else has a confirmed role by one means or another. Unless you think both me and Brownbear are mafia together, no one has an extra kp role | ||
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1.LSB why did you pick traitor 2. Bill Murray why did you pick mason Also I find it funny that so many of my "plans" revolved around there being a roleblocker(since it was that or rasta/fishball lying) and then Sinq just comes in, totally destroys that, and comes up with an even sexier plan. | ||
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On September 07 2010 02:16 JeeJee wrote: damn i wasn't a weak doc ggwp Lol I actually meant to protect you the night you died since if you were town you were a good role(either doctor, alignment cop, or Joat.) But then it was like 2 hours till I had to send in my protection and I was panicing so I just protected citizen :/ . Sorry about that :O | ||
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Basically, how much should this wifom be counted for. I've heard that you should just ignore it altogether but at the same time in decisions like this I would think you need to consider it. Then again, it seemed to me "Would it be logical for Rastaban and Fishball to be double faking roleblocker." I thought no, and went with that. We can see how that turned out. EDIT: OMG IM A HYDRA | ||
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