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On August 27 2010 07:47 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 07:34 SiNiquity wrote:## Vote HesmyrrThere's 3 possibilities as I see it: - Vanilla: Hesmyrr did exactly what he was told and paid for it with his life
- Traitor: Makes sense from a pre-game perspective. To take a useless role which will probably end up as Vanilla, or go with something a little more.. exciting?
- Mafia/SK: Not entirely impossible - it's a high number with a useless role in our list of assignments (expected to be Vanilla), so unlikely to get checked.
Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 07:36 SiNiquity wrote:
There's also a 4th possibility:
Some Alternative Role: Didn't do what he was told and got some other role. Since he's claimed otherwise, I view this as most unlikely More in a jokingly manner, but I'm inclined to say, "Duh?"  It's like saying, when you have a baby, the baby could be a boy, or a girl, and that slim chanceof being both. You're kinda stating the obvious here.
In similar jest I'm inclined to respond with, "Duh?"
It's like saying, when your friend has a baby, and your friend laments over the gender and lists out the possibilities, and you tell him, "Duh?"
You're kinda stating the obvious here.
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I think I already said but [6][1].
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3.
You cannot rule out the possibility of Zeks being a traitor in either case.
Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it.
As Zeks even admitted, he made a juicy target (win/win from Mafia perspective - gain a recruit or kill someone with a #5 pick). So even if he's telling the truth about taking a hit he could still be a traitor, as any night action could recruit him.
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On August 28 2010 12:30 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
If Zeks lied there would presumably be another person out there who took a mafia hit, unless the mafia made the nonsensical decision not to hit anyone. Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3. or zeks is telling the truth, he got hit, and he's traitor so he got recruited isntead of killed
-_- I somehow completely missed this post. Sorry, bed it is.
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
I disagree with this as well. Suppose you're traitor, and the town's on to you (i.e. you're in the top 5). It's night, you have a chance to be recruited, and you know Night ends at 9 PM EST. You check the thread, refreshing every few minutes to see what happened. Night post goes up and you see the following things:
- Only kill was on a scum (clearly not the mafia hit)
- You've received a PM that you've been recruited
It's very easy to put two and two together and realize what happened (you took the hit and got recruited). Night post was at 10:06, Zeks claimed at 10:17. 11 minutes (+/- 1 minute). Heck, even a Mafia watching the events unfold could've PM'ed to Zeks to claim the hit. Plenty of time.
Don't mistake this for me saying that Zeks is absolutely the traitor -- I just don't agree with the conclusion you've reached (i.e. that he's most likely not the traitor) based on the fact that he claimed quickly.
Bed for real now
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So bum watches zeks, 4 people (presumably all mafia) visit zeks in the night (i.e. target to kill). Is this number the pre- or post-SK kill? Depending on the answer there's either 4 or 3 mafia members remaining (5 or 4 if zeks was recruited).
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Here's an up to date list of roles:
- rastaban - Compulsive Vig. (supported by Hesmyrr's confirmed town role)
- chaoser - Bad Santa or Traitor
- LSB - Prince of Darkness or Traitor
Hesmyrr - Vanilla (tried to grab C.V.)
- zeks - Bullet Bill, Veteran, Serial Killer (roles that can take a Mafia hit and survive), or Traitor
- SouthRawrea - Vanilla (tried to grab Traitor)
Subversion - Vanilla
- Fishball
- ~Opz~
- citi.zen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- siNiquity
- Divinek - Day Vigilante
- Radfield
Bill Murray - Mason
- bumatlarge - Watcher
- Pandain - Not Mason
It occurred to me earlier there's a possibility for Zeks that AFAIK hasn't been mentioned -- that being that he's the Serial Killer.
You are a Vanilla Serial Killer!
Every night you can choose to kill 1 player. You show up Innocent to alignment checks and are bulletproof at night. Role checks reveal whatever role you picked in your draft, if you don't get a role you show up as Vanilla SK. Your kills also go through bulletproof vests.
You win by killing everyone else and being the last surviving player.
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Pfft LSB beat me to the punch
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Except replace Veteran w/ Doctor and we agree.
Assumptions:
- Bum is not lying, meaning exactly 4 people visited Zeks last night
- There are at least 4 Mafia in the game.
- Confirmed by Ace: All of the Mafia visit when they kill a target (makes sense - this is Mafia, not Assassin).
- Confirmed by Ace: Watcher count takes precedence over Mafia member dying (Subversion)
Conclusion: Only Mafia visited Zeks last night.
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I agree with your (Zeks') logic for Subversion most likely conflicting with you, and thereby informing the Mafia of your power. As the Mafia knows your power, it can't be one that's immune to bullets. Thus your role must be immune to bullets (no doctor visited), therefore you (Zeks) are SK.
I don't understand why you haven't hard-claimed this as of yet (unless I overlooked it).
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EBWOP: That is the weirdest bug I've ever seen. Apostrophe + Right-Parenthesis = ')
Also I PM'ed myself to confirm, please don't mod kill me ')
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On August 29 2010 05:39 zeks wrote:
Fine. I'm role cop. I checked Fishball - I don't want to reveal what he is as now we're practically in a mass roleclaim mode and it would not benefit the town to know what he is: however I will tell you that he did not follow the town's plan either.
I have no idea how bumatlarge got only 4 people from his watch, because I'm not the SK and I lived - to my surprise so someone must've protected me.
I know I'm going to die today as now I fit the perfect profiling of an SK - but please evaluate why LSB was so sure I was role cop - not to mention now only 2 suspects are remaining for the traitor and he is one of them. Radfields push for my lynch and wanting to know who I rolecheck I also find a little bit suspicious.
I apologize for my poor play and allowing scum to corner me this easily. If I go down today I blame no one but myself.
@Ace: Are players notified of the act of being protected (i.e. not names, just "You were riddled with bullets but miraculously wake up covered in bandages and stitches")?
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I can't imagine starting the game with 3 Mafia players. That's absurd -- they'd be at a huge disadvantage. Surely the game's gotta have at least 4 mafia players. Right?
The only thing I can conceive is that both inactive players were Mafia. One was substituted, the other was mod-killed, leaving 3 players. That seems highly, nay staggeringly improbable.
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@Ace: My question was unintentionally ambiguous ~ sorry. <3 for reading between the lines ')
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+ Show Spoiler [Roles] +- rastaban: Compulsive Vigilante (substantiated by Hesmyrr)
- chaoser: Bad Santa
- LSB: Prince of Darkness
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Hesmyrr: Vanilla (chose CV)
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zeks: Role Cop
- SouthRawrea: Vanilla (allegedly chose Traitor)
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Subversion: Vanilla (probably chose role cop)
- Fishball: Bullet Bill (confirmed by Zeks)
- ~Opz~: Not Mafia / Nor Jack (according to Fishball); Tracker (?)
- citi.zen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- siNiquity
- Divinek: Day Vigilante (confirmed by shooting BM)
- Radfield
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Bill Murray: Mason
- bumatlarge: Watcher (substantiated by revealing 4 players visited Zeks)
- Pandain:
CopyCat/Mason Pardoner Martyr
On August 29 2010 15:55 Ace wrote:
All roles that can act may send in Night actions now. Night 2 ends Sunday 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST but will be extended to Monday 9PM ET if more time is needed.
So with 5 hours left (or possibly 29 hours), where are all the # # CV: votes? Or is it just assumed that SR is the target?
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So CV hit bulletproof? or Mafia did? *confused*
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CV had to shoot else he'd be dead. Mafia wouldn't NOT attack someone as that's just stupid. So someone was supposed to die and didn't.
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On August 31 2010 10:25 Fishball wrote:
I checked SiNiquity.
He does not have a gun.
No I don't
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No it wasn't obvious.
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EPT
