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On August 05 2010 15:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: wheres pyrr to epically bandwagon you C'mon, he's even admitting it! How are we letting this shit go on in OUR town? ##vote DarthThienAn | ||
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On August 06 2010 10:22 Divinek wrote: yay lets go through the same discussion we do at the start of every game! im just waiting for the day that we actually lynch an inactive person day 1 that turns out to be mafia, ie never I'm pretty sure we got a red like this before. RebirthofLegend I think. Nevertheless, I think we should vote on behavior this time around. | ||
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On August 06 2010 15:00 VayeshMoru wrote: I have just spent time reading some of the game Bill Murray just ran. I seem to be be at a crossroads now. The town last game early on was against random bandwagons starting. But I see this what would be defined as a mistake I suppose happening again. Is this meant to draw information? Although this early on I don't see how it would give you much to go on. If I understand how this game should be done, should we not be concentrating on a more logical method for our lynching? I think it would be at least prudent if we discussed who was getting votes and why. As of now I see Divinek and Bill Murray tied at 3 votes. After looking at this, then comparing to what has been said, why are there no reasons posted? Is this method not too chaotic? How about we discuss how all the shoes you make end up looking like murder evidence? | ||
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On August 06 2010 13:12 youngminii wrote: DT can use a proxy townie like was done last game with Zeks and lakrismamma. Also, how did the mafia suck at blue sniping last game? They got every single blue long before the end of the game (and the end of the game was significantly shortened BECAUSE they sniped every blue). You were the one playing like a total scrub early game, linking pretty much all the blues together and accusing them as a group of scum (remember your PM parade telling everyone to lynch Subversion?). I hope people don't use PMs to the same effect this game, I'd say stay very wary of most PMs early game (case in point: Subversion revealing to Pandain that he was DT without having checked Pandain, Pandain was in fact a miller, but still could have been very dangerous). I never found out how Subversion's DT role got leaked, that was well and truly stupid as fuck. Subversion handed it out to Protractinium, I believe. | ||
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On August 06 2010 13:40 VayeshMoru wrote: How was I mistake for someone in this game? Perplexing James, you can't keep going directly from highly poetic English to broken, learned-as-a-second-language English. It's giving me whiplash. Neither style matches your trademark parenthesis usage shown in the posts from when you first posted from this account in July. | ||
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On August 06 2010 14:32 DarthThienAn wrote: Who said I was trying to imitate Chezinu last game? I've already said that Chez's style is much better than what I did last game, and takes more effort than I cared to take at the time. That said, your play wasn't all that great last game either youngminii. The difference is that you were playing seriously and I wasn't, until the end. Don't use your supposed laziness as an indication of your superiority. | ||
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On August 06 2010 14:59 youngminii wrote: Or maybe BM's busy with real life, like he was for 203948230 hours last game. How would being busy have an impact on response to receiving votes? It could make him more or less active but this has nothing to do with activity level. God this is so weird how no one is on when I do my posting... Happened last game, too. I guess I do my posting when prime time is crossing the vast pacific ocean so it makes sense. | ||
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On August 06 2010 15:18 BrownBear wrote: Targeting inactives is the best way to go right now. To that end, I'm voting Jayme, who has not posted since his signup post, unless I missed something. Jayme posted in the thread 24 minutes before this post :-/. | ||
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On August 06 2010 17:26 Bill Murray wrote: As a town, we would really do well to coordinate and roleclaim in my opinion. Bluesniping would be easier, but honestly here at TL we are great at blue sniping. I haven't even HEARD the term blue sniping elsewhere. I'm guessing it comes from muta micro, but I'm not sure.  My suggestion is that we coordinate better if we know what units we have on the field. The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces. Every game where I've seen people nameclaim or roleclaim I've seen the town win as far as I can remember. Do you guys want to win? I am very competitive. I know I like to. I will risk my life for you guys. Feel free to claim to me. If everyone would just trust me this one time, we could have an epic game. Dude, just shut up and let us kill you already before I figure out who the sixth and final member of your team is. Y'all have been so obvious about this when you should have just kept your cool and waited for people to change their joke votes. Instead, you freaked out with well over 24 hours left in the day and only a few votes on your precious comedian. If anyone legit claims to him you should be permanently banned from TL mafia. I'm not really joking although I am too kind hearted to follow through on this. Feel free to spam his inbox with joke claims, though, it could distract him from coordinating what they do next. In fact, I encourage this. ##vote Bill Murray | ||
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On August 06 2010 18:43 youngminii wrote: Okay apparently BM can't see what's wrong with his plan. I shall outline them for you. If you are scum, we lose instantly. If you are town, 6 people will lie and you won't know who lied and who didn't and you can't publicly reveal them without exposing their identity. What are you going to do when all 6 scum claims town? Hmm? Oh right, nothing. Do you really, really, really think every single person will claim to you? Do you know how hard organisation is, especially on a forum? What are you going to do when the framer frames people? Uh oh. Can't be fucked listing anymore. He doesn't need everyone to claim - anything he gets is just icing on the cake. Unfortunately for him, it is icing on a cake that is otherwise very unpalatable to him. Even if we followed the plan, I really feel like I have four of his teammates down. That seems too cocksure so I probably have something mixed up but this is the surest I've been about a red list ever (I've played as red a lot more than other roles, though). Also, 9 people will lie. You forgot ninjas, youngminii. So we will get at least 9 liars to pick through, 3 of which will be ninjas we don't need to kill. Actually, we will have at least 10 liars because I already sent the following PM to BM: "I am bus driver vigilante fake-batman detective slash ninja. Slash townie." He responded: "so you only have one life" Which only goes to show he is more interested in bragging about how he will bring his kp to bear against me for my transgression than to chastise me for not following his super pro-town plan. If this is how BM plays town normally... wow. "Worst" and "ever" come readily to mind. He's mafia though so I don't feel the pang of being harsh. On top of the 10 liars, plenty of people who see through this won't send their role in (read:hopefully everyone). DTA gets it. Everyone else should, too. I'm a little disappointed that you are humoring him, youngminii. I don't want to go into my list of his allies until he flips red, just in case I am on the wrong track. No need for the distraction anyway, but I'll get it out after the lynch and before they can stack me to death. + Show Spoiler + FAQ: Q: Why didn't you go to sleep? A: I tried but my room is too hot and I wasn't getting to sleep so I decided to check the thread again. | ||
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I was just relying on DTA's analysis from this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517¤tpage=12#226 3/30 seems very round to me. 2 seems too low for it to be interesting. 4 and there would be too much chaos - the whole game would swing based on what ninjas were doing and the town vs. mafia battle would be as meaningless as what quidditch players do before the golden snitch appears. I guess if BM is truly innocent or the ninjas know 3 is not the real number I could be okay. But I don't want that to happen. Right now I think the case against BM is solid and I can present more evidence if need be. Tomorrow I'll go through his previous games to see if youngminii's thoughts have any real significance. If he flips red we have a great path forward that doesn't require me to be alive after tonight so I'm not too worried. | ||
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As for BM's, I posted my joke claim to him earlier. I'm fucking with him because I know he's red. Why would a ninja care so much to lynch someone on day 1 or send PMs around bragging about being a ninja? I'm not stupid. | ||
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On August 06 2010 19:25 Bill Murray wrote: I am not a fucking jester if you all lynch me the town is being wasteful Pyrrhuloxia, there is no fucking way you know at least "4 of my teammates", unless you are mafia, and have deducted a list of town, but then you could still have a ninja mixed in and might be wrong even then. I do not see why you are throwing walls of text and tunneling on me at all. Could it be because you are trying to push a policy lynch and stifle any real discussion? I ended the RVS so we could actually discuss what we are going to do as a town. Why would you want to end the stage of the game where the town throws ideas out there? I'm sorry you disagree with my idea. Usually the town does, but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't win if we used it. After having just modded the last game, I realized something: The people the mafia try to kill are the ones that are trying to organize things (Subversion, zeks, laxercannon, etc), not the ones who are trying to policy lynch or are overly emotional (DTA, you, BrownBear, even me in past games) You know why the mafia won't try to kill me this game? Because I am like Stonewall Jackson, shot by my own troops. When I flip blue you all will really feel like idiots. You aren't trying to organize town. You are fishing for blues like you were in your PMs to Pandain. I am fine for ideas, but asking all blues to day 1 claim to a sketchy as fuck player is not a plan. I could see your point in that in your game town should have mass claimed and didn't. However, in this game WE DON'T HAVE BLUE COUNTS. Totally fucking different. There are blue roles that might not even be in the game that are in the first post. A mafia claiming one of those would be set up pretty well. We would get next to nothing out of it even if you were innocent. If you were pro-town, you could at least suggest someone else or come up with a way someone could earn trust. But asking for it on the brink of death just screams mafia with nothing left to lose. You ended the RVS so you could start a bandwagon on Divinek to save yourself. It was only about your suspicion for him and how it was "real" and how everything on you was a joke to be ignored. You only started talking plans after rastaban rightfully lol'd at your diversion and nipped it in the bud. Nice attempt to rewrite history, though. Where did I tell town to stop discussing plans? All I did was point out how sketchy you were, which I find to be a much better lynch than inactivity. If someone has ideas for what to do with ninjas, feel free to discuss that. If someone has a good idea for how the bus driver can be used in a pro-town way, please post it. I have a feeling that in many hands the bus driver would be used for just screwing around. If you have a mass roleclaim idea that doesn't involve everyone claiming to the scummiest player in the game, I am all ears. I am not even ready to write off all plans of that type. But Bill Murray is not the player to receive claims, by any means. | ||
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On April 18 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote: OK. Big FoS on Zona/BC for completely ignoring my valid strategy of making people pitted against each other. If we have player A vs player B we will be able to learn who the assassins are through having them strategically fight each other. If neither one is an assassin, we can have them roleclaim. I know that a lot of people on TL are against roleclaiming like this, but it is very beneficial to the town. Good points from this: 1) we learn who the assassins are 2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins 3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum. Bill Murray's role this game? Godfather. Zona pointed out how stupid this was and BM immediately FoS'd him as an Assassin (called Ninjas in this game). I'm getting deja vu here already. + Show Spoiler + It is ~4 AM here now. I've given up on sleep. I'll take a nap during the day. Proleague finals is Friday night / saturday morning anyway so my sleep schedule was gonna be ruined regardless. | ||
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On February 14 2010 10:21 Bill Murray wrote: "Mayor candidates must have a plan." My plan is to follow the majority. I will make no decisions unless it is through the active town (I hope most of the town is active). Yes, his rousing plan when he is town-aligned is to... let someone else come up with a plan. I'm failing to see how BM's past explains away how creepy his play has been thus far. | ||
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On August 07 2010 05:05 SouthRawrea wrote: I keep deleting what I type lol because I think what if Pyrrhusloxia is really a ninja, we should get him lynched so our future Town-sided ninja doesn't waste a kill. Then I think oh shit what if he's a veteran trying to get cleared for tomorrow. Then I think what if he's a red role. Then I read the day post and wonder. WTF is a bus driver ninja and does it count in the number of ninjas? If it does and Pyrr's leak was real, he should be removed from the game which he is not. So... he's lying or the bus driver ninja doesn't count/ isn't real. Time for PMing questions to flamewheel. I am not the holder of five different roles, fyi. | ||
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On August 07 2010 05:05 SouthRawrea wrote: I keep deleting what I type lol because I think what if Pyrrhusloxia is really a ninja, we should get him lynched so our future Town-sided ninja doesn't waste a kill. Then I think oh shit what if he's a veteran trying to get cleared for tomorrow. Then I think what if he's a red role. Then I read the day post and wonder. WTF is a bus driver ninja and does it count in the number of ninjas? If it does and Pyrr's leak was real, he should be removed from the game which he is not. So... he's lying or the bus driver ninja doesn't count/ isn't real. Time for PMing questions to flamewheel. I've noticed Divinek talking about how the Ninja would be breaking rules and ruining the game and would be removed from the game if he teamed up with town. I've also now noticed you talking about how if I merely posted the number of ninjas in the thread correctly I should be removed from the game. There's nothing about this in the rules description for Ninja as far as I can tell. Perhaps you two got some stern words from flamewheel in the role pm? | ||
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On August 07 2010 06:03 Pandain wrote: its not a joke... Anyway, I don't really think we need to worry about the Ninjas right now. I mean, as of right now it's not like anyone knows who the Ninjas are and until at least after this night, the Ninja's WONT talk to anyone because they don't know whether someone is a ninja or not. By joke I think South Rawrea meant that he didn't realize that those weren't actual night actions that got carried out by signed up players. | ||
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"that's not what i was trying to do here, though, amber. i was trying to create confusion and get information out of the people who would be against roleclaiming (mafia and ninjas)." You get no info out of that because no one should trust you. Townies should shoot this down because it is hella far from safe. Mafia should shoot this down if you aren't mafia. The only ones who should shoot this down are mafia members if you aren't mafia. BM: "Do you honestly believe I expected a single person to actually roleclaim to me?" Yes, because you admit so in the next sentence and conclude this post asking for more roleclaims. Also, if you are red even one claim is helpful. If you are blue, then you would have had to get all of the claims, which it should be obvious beforehand you would never get. BM: " I did, but it was through a PM, not in the thread. Why would I ever do that in the thread?" PM is even less safe if you are mafia because then only mafia gets the info. Plus, you conclude this post saying tracker can claim in thread. BM: "I'm willing to back off of this, because it was a ploy, and now i'm going to help the town in more traditional ways." Yeah, except your new plan is almost as bad. BM: "Anyways, my plan is this: Have the tracker claim in the thread, to me, or to someone we as a collective agree upon. Have him call his shot. Afterwards, the watcher will watch the tracker and see who he visited. Bam. We have a confirmed slot." We won't have confirmed shit. Assuming the claims are real (and we can't even be sure we have one of each of these roles) we will have a role blocked tracker and no progress. Maybe if it was claimed to someone trust worthy but I don't have any 100% trustworthy candidates yet. But they sure as hell can't claim in the thread. Also, it will be so easy for someone to fake claim watcher and just say yes he saw him, or no he didn't depending on what mafia want to do, because either one is plausible. And if we have multiple claims for tracker or watcher, how would we decide to go from there? Also, if it is so smart for blues to claim in thread, and you are blue, why aren't you claiming? Maybe you could've started a bandwagon onto your plan if you showed your commitment to it. If you are blue, I hope you don't claim. But it's just another inconsistency in your logic. Also, if we are comparing i-peens my IQ is 145 and ACT was 33. Yay autism. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:05 Pandain wrote: How about we in the thread just say "okay, now all you people visit THIS GUY's" house. the people don't even have to claim. Than the watcher can meet up with the tracker and we have a town circle already. With no suicide bomber, we have no risk either. OMFG WAS THIS AN ACTUAL IDEA!?!? That might be good?????? I know, I'm scared too O.o Comments? To clarify, we in the thread just decide for the watcher and tracker to visit ???. The watcher and Tracker DOES NOT CLAIM TO ANYONE. The watcher will then be like "hey, i saw you visited this guy." and pm him. Then we already have two blues in a town circle. Yay for townnnnnnnnnn IS this a good idea? Oh my goodness I'm so excited. Hmm this might work. Roleblocker: wouldn't know who to block, so a low chance to mess things up. Even if they block a watcher or tracker, we don't know who the watcher or trackers are so we won't get suspicious of them and mislynch them. Meanwhile, the mafia won't know 100% they blocked the right person because maaaaybe someone didn't follow the plan. Framer: can't see a way they can help since they only work vs. DTs. Godfather: could put neck out and false claim which is probably better for town than if he doesn't. Mafia: They could possibly put a hit on the THIS GUY, leading to the person who sent in the hit PM showing up with the tracker(s). Prolly a good opportunity for town, here. Sooo what happens if the blues follow this: We get a framer who can claim the next day and give a list. This can be counter claimed but the real trackers can perhaps help sort things out. It could get kind of messy but a lot of mafia would have to stick out their necks to mess it up. I like it, let's do it. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:13 rastaban wrote: Hmm it almost might would work... What the watcher though doesn't know who is who... the mafia can send their roleblocker or framer that night and now they are listed as verified. at first I thought mafia could hit him but the watcher would get the name of one of the mafia so it wouldn't be beneficial. Hmm I don't straight up disagree it might be an option but needs thought out a little more... Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Oh good point, they don't have to send a hit. But that just gives us a list of people confirmed to be red or blue which should still help, I think. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:25 rastaban wrote: Yeah I would say a tracker/watcher for a red is a good trade. I dunno if that is a good trade but it surely is if we can get a confirmation and protection circle up, too. | ||
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My unbiased and fun-inducing plan for determining THIS GUY: Roffles (4-2 Either Team) Hesmyrr (KT 4-3 SKT1) (KT 4-1 SKT1) Artanis[xp] (KT 3-4 SKT1) (KT 1-4 SKT1) They posted at least a bit so less likey ones here: Laaan (KT 4-0 SKT1) Love1Another (KT 0-4 SKT1) (If love1another gets lynched, put this on Laaan) I guess it's not too guaranteed they will die for being THIS GUY since mafia can just send roleblocker or framer so we don't need to pick from inactives but I think this will work anyway. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:46 Pandain wrote: Then we find out who a ninja is and can thus blackmail him? hehehehehehehehehehehehehe. Best part is if the tracker and watcher don't tell the town the results, cause then mafia won't know either whether they are ninja or not. But wait... that comes back to the blackmail part. Hmm.... is it wise enough. Now IS the time to start talking about what to do with ninjas if we catch one n.n Well the mafia can still roleblock the ninja. So if my interpretation is correct (I'll PM flamewheel since rastaban disagrees) the mafia could roleblock or frame THIS GUY even if he is ninja. But trackers could not show up. So the watcher could come up with a list of one person visiting and have it be a red, not a tracker. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:48 Hesmyrr wrote: *Look at the pages* *Facepalm* I forgot the ridiculous amount of posts this mafia community can drudge up within a day. Conscious stream of posts coming. This post uses extensive use of links, click underlined words for the referenced post. Pandain "Far too early to vote for someone because you think their mafia ... I still believe we should be pressuring every inactive person by threatening to lynch an inactive person." Nah, the pressuing inactive is good and well, but it doesn't mean you can't display serious suspicions alongside with the pressure. In fact discussing non-random vote on someone can produce far more interesting reads instead of discussing generic policy lynch of lurkers. At current moment I do not see much credience to BM's reasoning of attack though (basically stating manner of his post feels like scum) and claiming 'RVS' to be over could potentially be gambit to put himself in pro-town light. I'll see. Divinek immediately responding with WIFOM reasoning seems damaging to his case, but I somewhat hesitate on giving it seriously scummy read as it is still early phase of the game and I do not see a way for him to redeem himself against BM's attacks except by continually generating pro-town analysis (which can only be done after certain amount of posts were made). bumatlarge makes me feel twitchy for some reason. Basic explanatory post for all newbies -> plays devil's advocate to Bill Murray -> votes Divinek. It might as well be prod/pressure vote to see how Bill Murray/Divinek respond though, so I'll read on. I look at the voting thread and see the bandwagon hadn't gathered much steam though, so unsure how commited he was to the vote. "If you dont know where to start, just speculate about the blue roles and ideas. Scared about that? Give opinions about other ideas! Just pour your heart out and if you are completely honest, you'll gain some cred in the view of the town. EVEN IF YOU ARE A GREENIE, MAKE BELIEVE YOU ARE BLUE." This advice confuses me, probably because I don't explicitedly understand meaning behind some parts of the sentence Bill Murray Awesome, pull a fishing or pressure bandwagon upon someone and immediately reveal your intention even before lots of people had chance to respond! Negative reading here. Only pro-town motive I can see behind the post is that he found what he was looking for in one of the players responses. youngminii did not vote for Bill Murray even after pointing out above fallacy. Positive reading. On the other hand rastaban's action is somehow confusing. Post stating he is going to vote for BM (13:03) Vote for Bill Murray (13:08) Post about his vote (13:11) I don't see point behind 13:11 post besides potential effort to pre-emptively prevent people from having negative reaction to his countervote. Of course considering quality of posts here at this site I am giving it the benefit of the doubt though. Divinek "lynch all liars as they say right" WOH? rastaban I am still in favour of leveling serious accusations and putting pressure upon people day 1. Attacking someone doesn't mean the town stops pressuring lurkers. Of course I agree in absense of logical accusation the town should scurry to remove active lurkers, but just saying always lynch lurkers in d1 is far too short-sighted. If we don't get correct reads in day 1, then we just have to improve our scumhunting better. VayeshMoru VOTING THREADS ARE SCOURGE OF THE EARTH Okay, fist-shaking aside. I would really appreciate it if everyone consistently paid attention to the voting patterns and coax player into giving out his/her reasons. Though I agree with the sentiment, I am disposed to view this post in unfavourable light because action of Bill Murray, and in fact everyone, DOES need to be discussed. It kinda feels like attempt to draw some of spotlights away from BM. Bill Murray LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL One sentence: above plan only works when all PR actually trust and claim to you, which I highly doubt happening and will result in subsequent town fail. Subsequent votes and display of people's opinions about Bill Murray's action is interesting (including youngminii's too scummy to be scum opinion) I think it would be pretty beneficial when we know BM's flip. We still have two options:do we want to lynch him today, or lynch inactive today and have investigative roles check BM? Pyrrhuloxia "Also, 9 people will lie. You forgot ninjas, youngminii. So we will get at least 9 liars to pick through, 3 of which will be ninjas we don't need to kill." Just curious, why would ninjas bring unnecessary attention to themselves by claiming as PR in possibly mafia-infiltrated network who would be very eager to see blue roles dead lying on the ground? Oh hey, ninja # gaffe. I am expecting oncoming pointless debate about number of current ninjas. No? I am pleasantly surprised. I am tired. I will post my opinions about rest of the pages tomorrow. Also lol love1another. Vote love1another (Placeholder) Lol so you put a big huge fos all over Bill Murray. Then you vote to save him. You ask the town, do we want to lynch him today or wait for DTs to waste a check on someone who is likely to be GF if red? I could see if you reasoning was to get mafia to waste GF role on him if he's red, but that probably didn't cross your mind. Glad to see number six come out of the woodwork, though. Not a bad play really; I do this all the time as mafia and no one calls me on it when I vote to save a teammate while pointing out how suspicious I am of that same teammate. | ||
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On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote: I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on). And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this. I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't). If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. I'll post when BM flips. | ||
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On August 07 2010 09:22 Foolishness wrote: What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? Well you will probably kill me tonight, so I will post all my info anyway, mafia number 2. You are my favorite player in all of TL Mafia, at least when you are town-aligned, so I am disappointed to see your red play be so obvious. You've now chainsaw defended Bill Murray against both Divinek and myself. Now, if Bill Murray flips blue, I will certainly not run roughshod after you and the rest of his sketchy defenders and defendees. But if he flips red, which seems EXTREMELY likely to me at this point, your ass is grass and killing me won't save you. | ||
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On August 07 2010 09:40 Foolishness wrote: Awww I'm touched <3 I would think it's obvious to any town player that lynching a player who's actively participating and defending against arguments is foolish. How many times have you seen a mafia player that isn't Ace/L actively tell people they are wrong/stupid and defend their beliefs to the last moment they die? Hardly ever. Imma wait at least another 2 days before ever considering voting for any of you. Truth is, I barely give a care as to whether BM or you or DTA or divinek is mafia. Cause all you active people do is blame each other and find reasons why the other is mafia. If one of you is actually mafia, I'm sure one of the others will figure it out sooner or later. I got bigger fish to fry in figuring out who's mafia among the other 50% of the players who half lurk. Now wait a minute...you're supposedly a ninja and getting killed by other ninja's tonight. If I was mafia why would I bother hitting you? Haha, I actually kinda lol'd when I read your post, because it's insanely obvious you improvised the entire thing. I've seen better reasoning for suspicions out of totally new players. Have you even read my posts to consider if I'm actually mafia? I'm pretty sure you're too concerned with BM right now to even care who else is mafia. Which is fine by me, you do what you got to do and I'll do what I got to do. One person is not a list. You got any others you want to throw out there? Executive Summary: Guy who caught and voted for BC on Day 1 last game tells me no one should vote for big names early or should vote on suspicion early or think it is possible to catch reds this early. My Response: I'm not a ninja. I can't say for sure what mafia will do with me. I already gave you two people on the list. | ||
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Bill Murray wrote: in all likelihood the scummy players haven't posted yet unless it's someone like brownbear who knows it's ok to. noob scum will be like "what should i say?" as opposed to just playing. This is a very weird first post. His first post is used to defend everyone that has previously posted. As someone who is experienced, I'd think he knows that determining mafia by post time really isn't helpful. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early, because mafia have the best reasons to do so. On August 06 2010 12:03 Bill Murray wrote: I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead. I am voting not for randomness, but because I actually believe Divinek is Mafia. He's already claimed this to be a lie, because he went on to say that Divinek was part of the RVS. He started a bandwagon on Divinek to save himself (BM is at 3 (i think) votes at the start of this and Divinek ends up temporarily at 3 due to rastaban). In previous games, even as green, he has done similar random vote plans but he was up front about it being RVS before. He didn't claim RVS time was OVER and then vote for someone for really being red and then turn around and say ~"oh I was lying, actually I was fucking around like usual”. This random vote thing is stupid at best, since he telegraphed his reasoning, but it is scummy at most likely. I know Mr. Baby Hands did similar things but he didn't do it this clumsily. My response to BM's soft blue claim: If red, he would be desperate at that point and so it's sort of a no brainer to claim blue and plant doubt. He has gone on the record asking for blues to claim to him even though he is not at all confirmed. He has also suggested that blues claim in the thread as their specific roles. He said veterans could lie and say they are more hit-juicy roles. Yet he himself only soft-claims? I find this to disprove his stated motives. If he believed in his plan he could get the ball rolling by following it. Bill Murray starts his voting with “now the game gets serious” and now tries to play it off as shits and giggles. He's clearly trying to create chaos to save himself – the question is whether he is worth saving. Seems to me there are more pro-town ways to defend one's self than to do random attacks to find one that sticks. If he was blue, he could be more low profile although low profile is not really his style. As blue, he could still try pointing out why suspicions about him are not founded, rather than creating more and more suspicions. | ||
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Foolishness wrote: Bill Murray's attitude is awfully serious for his norm... Hmm. Foolishness's very first post serves to distance himself from Bill Murray. On August 06 2010 12:37 Foolishness wrote: I once new a guy who swore by the fact that the third person to talk at the start of the first day was mafia. Yes...you just reminded me of him...did I mention he was never right about anything? Second post is again about how Bill Murray is playing weird. Foolishness voted BC Day 1 last game for less. Yet Foolishness goes right from this to being Bill Murray's best buddy. On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote: I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Bill Murray responds by saying he is playing his usual way (see my previous posts to see how this is true, at least for his usual way of playing Godfather. Not so much for town-aligned roles). Foolishness bites and then jumps on Pandain for a completely blameless post mentioning BM sketchily fishing for blue roles in pms (before posting his blue claim plan). When I previously said Foolishness Chainsaw Defended Bill Murray from Divinek, I meant Pandain. Sorry. Pandain is making a very important post here. Why should BM be fishing for blue roles? Running for town mayor a few games ago, he said he would follow town. It was as Godfather that BM came up with ideas to get town to give up their roles. There's no good reason to be role fishing this early before town can even discuss plans (Pandain even came up with a much safer one). Foolishness certainly knows this and I'm sure he'd be all over BM for this if they weren't on the same team. Foolishness is certainly not usually pro day 1 role claiming to completely unconfirmed sketchmobiles. No way. On August 06 2010 13:25 Foolishness wrote: Why wait until tonight when we got a lynch today? This is not classic townie foolishness at all. Foolishness wouldn't instigate or flare up shit like this with provocative spam. If he was blue or ninja, he wouldn't be so divisive. Maybe to defend a fellow mafia power player. On August 06 2010 13:41 Foolishness wrote: Yo guys...now I don't want to cause a commotion or anything...but I think it's Chezinu... Foolishness is usually the number one complainer about spam, but here the spam-hater has become the spam-hatee. Now spam is not a tell to me, without a lot of other evidence. What is a tell, here, is that Foolishness is waaaay less caring about the quality and helpfulness of his posts this game than usual. Now let's take a look at BM's PM's with Pandain: ---------------------------------------- actually, you are. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: All wifom man. You can tell me your role of course, I'll take it with a grain of salt. But frankly right as of now you're acting mafia-ish to me. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: exactly. would mafia do what i'm doing? use your head. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: haha, no way lol. What are we, 30 minutes in? Rofl. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: care to share roles? pretty sure you're town Looks like blue fishing to me. Why does he try to hide this at first and only make his claim demands public after Pandain brings it up? Why would Foolishness suddenly see this as a good idea even in a game with no blue counts? Why would Foolishness rip into me and Pandain for bringing this up when he is usually fine with ripping into big players for less sketchy things on Day 1? :-/ | ||
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On August 07 2010 10:37 SouthRawrea wrote: Question: Pyrr, seeing as how everyone thinks you're a ninja, what do you ahve to gain from getting him lynched? Is this your way of saying that you are not in fact a ninja? Also... what page are those PMs from? O.o They're from Pandain I doubt he has a problem with me posting them since they don't hurt the town in any way to be posted. Well I'm not a ninja but if I was a ninja I would probably still make arguments as if I was a townsperson so using this as a defense against being a ninja would be useless. | ||
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We pick THIS GUY based on PL Finals results. Trackers all track THIS GUY. Watchers all watch THIS GUY. Assuming people follow this plan: If watchers see nothing, THIS GUY is a ninja. If watchers see one person, we can kill THIS GUY to prove he is not a ninja and then the watcher(s) and tracker(s) can claim to each other and town and we have a circle. Two mafia could counterclaim at this point and we would have a list of 4 with two mafia on it. If watchers see more than one person, it could be kinda tough. There could be 0-3 mafia on this list. I guess we could look to Conan(s) to figure it out... This all assumes that if a watcher watches a tracked ninja, they don't see a tracker. Could be easier otherwise. I asked flamewheel: " hey so if a watcher watches a tracked ninja, do they see a tracker?" I haven't received a response yet. | ||
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On August 07 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote: Pandain's 1st Refinement of his plan: So I was making this whole complicated thing about my plan, when I thought of something. Here's my thoughts......... Watccher and tracker visit BM Night hit will tell us whether they are mafia, since tracker will know about mafia. If mafia: Tracker and watcher gather up, two medics protect both of them. We lynch a certain mafia. Have town circle also. Possible mass roleclaim? If blue: We have a circle of 3 blues, perfect eh? Thoughts? Mmm juicy enough that I may let BM live to see his precious nightfall. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote: yeah that sounds fine, it's a good way to clear someone as well. Since they will find each other, and both of the meds can protect BM and the DT can investigate him cant all blues with abilities like this find each other simply by all going to one player while a watcher/tracker is there? Hmm so some possible probs - what if BM is mafia and first mafia hit hits a protted person so they don't die? Or hits a vet? Survivor of hit will have to claim in this scenario. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:15 LSB wrote: Okay here's how I see the plan. The Watcher is the 'medic' making sure that BM does not get hit. Also he's there to find who the tracker is. The tracker is there to make sure BM is not mafia. Main problem, what if BM is the Godfather? he can't be tracked. Probability low, but with people screaming "BM is Godfather!" I'd pick someone else. Second problem, what if the mafia sends a framer to BM? Well, we lynch both the tracker and the framer. VERY good for us. The framer could cause lots of problems Offshoot of second problem. What if the Innocent Stalker visits BM? We lynch both, and we lose an Innocent stalker and the Tracker Curve Balls: I'll think more on this situation. But Pandain, it's better than anything I can think of myself. Assuming totally random odds, and also only 1 innocent stalker, there is a 93.44% chance of succeeding. The Godfather cannot be tracked. Yeah BM dies today, then. We can make Foolishness THIS GUY if BM flips red. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote: also remember if tracker doesnt get anything from bm that either means he's town, gf, or ninja. But we should know the ninja thing cause no one will get anything, though the only way we know if these people got nothing is if they publically claim, so maybe we should have someone to do this for on day 2 as well so they dont have to publically tell us? Even though the odds are low (at least i think if you track gf you dont get the info tracker normally would get) so he doesnt have to be cleared, i think If tracker gets nothing, he could also be vet, I think. Or blue stubbornly not using his action/ | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:29 Divinek wrote: your logical reasoning is astounding there are no words for the stuff that comes out of your mouth really It's true. He seems to be on my side but he does not make sense to me. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:29 SouthRawrea wrote: Why would flame mention this if there were only 1? To make sure we can't be sure of how many there are? | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:32 Pandain wrote: Still, as of right now I think my plan is basically 100% foolproof. The only real thing that can mess this up is if a nosy neighbor comes in, and that's 1/30 chance. So right now, this is the best thing we've got. So I highly urge all of you to unvote Bill Murray this instant. Right now, yes, right now. Don't keep reading this, go right now and do it. + Show Spoiler + Why haven't you done it yet? Because I think he's red and if he flips red we can try the same thing with someone else. If he survives this lynch he can take the GF role and claim vet and put himself on vet and your plan can't help us determine whether he is a real vet or fake vet. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote: just because you THINK he's red doesn't mean that's good enough of a reason to jeopardize a plan which could result in possibly two red's being captured or a 3way blue circle. Please, unvote him right now. ? I just explained how if he is red than your plan is useless. This also means that if he is a blue role that doesn't visit, your plan is useless. Your plan can be done with a lot of different people; it doesn't have to be BM. Your plan made sense till LSB pointed out that Godfather cannot be tracked. Then it got a lot more iffy and I want to go after the highly likely red as fast as possible. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:42 Pandain wrote: If godfather cannot be tracked, than we know he is GF and lynch him. WE got a certain GF than. Otherwise, without that knowledge there is just as great a chance you are lynching a blue. Plus, my plan revolves around BM claiming blue. Without him, than we still won't have a circle if mafia fakes as a tracker. GF cannot be tracked. Townie cannot be tracked. Veteran cannot be tracked. GF can appear as veteran or townie if desired. BM has already lied a few times this game. If he changes his claim to townie, would anyone care? He can also say he is a vigi and didn't want to waste his hit during the first night and use a real hit or mafia kp hit to claim later. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:44 chaoser wrote: Why did it get more iffy if GF can't be tracked? The watcher will still see the tracker visit and the mafia would have to waste a roleblocker/framer and do it on their own GF so that it's not just one person visiting. If the GF could be tracked, Pandain's plan would be awesome. We would look at the kill list, and if the first hit went through, it would match what the tracker saw BM do. So then we would just have to worry about our own medics or other blues blocking the first hit. Mafia would have to consider not hitting at all, just to save BM. Either way awesome for us. But GF can't be tracked. So if BM is mafia and doesn't get lynched, mafia will select him as GF for sure. This makes him indistinguishable from a real veteran if he choosed the veteran, since veterans can't be tracked either. He could also fake vigi, or really any role and just not use a power. So we couldn't get a circle of 3 for-sure blues out of the deal, we might risk people jumping the gun and claiming to BM. I don't see why BM is any better for THIS GUY than anyone else. Since I think he is red, I thought it would be awesome to track him, but if he's red they will just make him GF so its no better than any other pick. So I'd rather just lynch the guy I think is red and see what happens from there since we probably won't need a complicated blue plan if he's red, we will be in such good shape. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote: agreed, then it reverts back to its "no mafia interference plan" where we have two confirmed blues. So perhaps we should have in that scenario the watcher and tracker come out in open. Than everyone RC(since they are clean.) Than we can hunt down the vets. Would be worth it if we get a GF. Very worth it. In addition, in the HIGHLY unlikely scenario that he IS GF, than he will still get caught as stated above. If he is red, he is guaranteed to be GF since they don't have to select GF till the end of the day and they read this thread. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:55 Divinek wrote: the thing is i think pyrr wants to push for bm's lynch and if he's our target for this then he cant really do that. which is understandable so it'd be perfectly reasonable to switch it to someone who we know we dont really want to lynch on day 1. Because while i doubt bm is going to get lynched it'd still be nice to leave him open to the possibility i mean we could like do it on someone like me or pandain, or uh i dunno you? someone who probably would never get GF because then we KNOW that person isnt mafia because the only way a tracked person isnt mafia is if they are the GF because even if you track a mafia member and they hit a medic or something "If you track Mafia, then you will be led to the scene of the first target on the Mafia hitlist." you're still led to a scene so you know exactly what happened and what the person you are tracking is this all depends on the fact that mafia havent already chosen their gf and if there is any cut off for doing so, other wise bm is as good as anyone else really unless we really want him to die Rules say mafia don't have to decide GF until end of day 1. I think we should wait until Day 1 ends and choose a target right at the start of Night 1, so blue roles have time to see and follow the plan. And we should just choose one of the inactive peeps at random, since the chance of them being GF is awful low. A tracker looking at a low-level player will probably see them go after someone on the hitlist if they are mafia since such a player would probably not be GF. This seems a much more safe use of Pandain's plan than BM. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:58 SouthRawrea wrote: Oh really? You think Pyrr is NOT ninja after what he said? BTW replace Bill Murray in my posts with whoever is going to get lynched. You think I'm ninja because I think there are 3 ninjas and because I claimed to be a ninja vigi fake-batman townie medic? Whatever, man. Enjoy the astral plane and bring me back some nirvana. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:03 Pandain wrote: If he can't be tracked, than we go after vets and we get a GF. Everyone will mass roleclaim to watcher and tracker and from there we can find out who's who hopefully. Also, I think in nearly every one of my scenarios we either get 1. Two confirmed reds 2. One confirmed 3. Hidden GF in vets Either way, we will need a double lynch. I am voting for double lynch and urge others to do so. In which case Everyone can claim to watcher and tracker if the plan goes well regardless of whether or not BM is involved. Choosing someone high-profile like BM just makes it more likely that it will get fucked with. If BM is GF, Your plan is to kill off everyone that claims vet, after forcing all vets to claim? Whether BM is GF or real vet that plan sucks. I'll vote double lynch tomorrow if BM flips red. Otherwise I don't know who to go after and I don't think we will tomorrow. Day 2 double lynch is usually bad for town - I don't think this game is different. If I knew BM would be lynched today I'd vote double lynch but this is still up in the air. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:03 LSB wrote: Okay I agree with Pandain now. Here's the statistical breakdown. Probability that BM is Godfather/Ninja. I'm assuming 3 ninja's and Pyrr is a Ninja 27/30= 90% So 90% is the initial success rate. But what if more than one person visits BM? Let's say 2 people visits BM It could be 2 Stalkers, 1 Stalker and 1 Innocent Stalker, 1 Stalker and a random Mafia person. This could be trouble, the random Mafia person could attempt to vouch for BM. But the watcher can't just Post everyone who visited BM, because we could then just lose 2 stalker, the watchers, and BM. 4 people dead The probability of an Innocent stalker visiting BM is 28/29=96.55% Well, I'm not ninja. There could be 7 ninjas for all we know. Probability of BM becoming godfather tonight if he doesn't get lynched and is mafia is 100% and only 23/30 players are not mafia. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote: Before I go to sleep. What about this? Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM. The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim. If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose. After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed. First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person. That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right? Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:09 Divinek wrote: nope that doesnt work cause roleblocker can get all that info if he pms everyone and then mafia have huge list of ez blue targets. If any green gets a PM, he comes forward and says "this person sent me a PM even though I did not visit the target" and we lynch the roleblocker or whichever mafia sent a green a message saying he was watched. | ||
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If any blue gets roleblocked, they will be notified of the waxing and they will know not to expect a PM from the watcher. If the watcher gets roleblocked, they just don't send out PMs since they didn't get to watch. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote: How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked? The mafia can't watch, so there will be blues that don't get PMd from a mafia trying to fake watcher. The mafia fake-watcher may also end up PMing greens, there by giving themselves away. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote: agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is. If what person accidentally sends what to a mafia? We can easily pick out a fake watcher with this plan because the only way to fake watcher will be to CORRECTLY GUESS 100% OF THE VISITING BLUES. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:24 Pandain wrote: So some adaptions to this plan: People who get pmed from watcher will wait 12-24 hours to see if a townie will claim he got a pm from said person before the blues will respond vigis will NOT visit said person(lol) This plan does seem pretty good... Current Version of LSB Plan We pick a THIS GUY. All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him. Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too. If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher. If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed. If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher). If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good. If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia. If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:33 SouthRawrea wrote: Godfather can fake whispered green can they not? I think we should stick with the original plan. Any chance you want to talk in the thread and on the record about why you switched your vote from Bill Murray to love1another in order to switch it from 5-4 to 4-5? | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote: it's still quite unlikely a noisy neighbour is going to visit bm that night we can easily just get every townie that gets a pm from the 'watcher' to say he did and if it's more than say 1 or 2 , two would easily be even pushing it, then all the blues can know the watcher is a bullshitter. and besides like said the mafia would have to for sure hit every blue on that list accurately and there's just no way mafia could come even close to doing this because all the people that visit him KNOW they did it Yeah. There are a few fake claim opportunities I listed to watch out for, but I find this to be the best plan yet. Don't think we should use BM, though. It would probably be best to pick someone we are most sure is not a ninja, or someone from the PL Finals list. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:39 Divinek wrote: also in theory if all the blues that can do this actually do it we get a circle that includes trackers, watchers, medics, dts, and even MH cause they might as well place a bomb on bm/this person whoever, and they can move it the next day just so they can be put into this circle only vig and vets wont be pulled in right away but still how do we distinguish a role blocker from all the other roles? if they visit with all these people and fake claim there's no way to check them out because we dont have role counts, unless this person is the go between, between ALL of the roles and doesnt use names or something I'm not sure we can really confirm the people the watcher sees. It's the watcher that we can hopefully confirm and then protect with the bus driver. I suppose the best way for the mafia to mess this plan up would be to have someone claim acting blue and say they didn't get a pm. That would probably force a few blues out of hiding to counter the bs claim. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:44 Pandain wrote: BM is NOT a ninja. I can guarantee you that 99.99%. His play has been WAY too active, too risky, too lynch-inducing to be a a ninja. Yeah, I can guarantee you 99.99% he's red and so I'd rather just see him go today *shrug*. Can't be too lynch-inducing when he's already out of the noose thanks to SouthRawrea's change (not necessarily fosing SR btw). | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:47 Divinek wrote: yeah but once we have a confirmed watcher that has a list of like 70%+ of the blue roles in the game where the hell can we go from there? Because he cant communicate with any of them directly, like he cant be like 'okay dude that dt claimed to me check this person from my list' because if that person is the roleblocker etc though i suppose he could get clever and get 2 claimers to check each other cause it'd be totally worth it for us to kill the roleblocker for a dt or something just trying to see where this would get us Yeah that's true hmm. I imagine the watcher will get a lone claimer for one of the blue roles and I doubt there are unused roles AND the mafia would get lucky enough to claim as that one. So we could make progress that way. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:49 Pandain wrote: One of the main reasons he's not getting lynched is the point he could be a blue and thus contribute greatly to my plan. Anyway, I'm really starting to think we should have a combination of our two plans(mine and LSB's) since that would force 1) Many mafia to come out and combat these growing circles As long as allow us to 1)Grow 2 circles 2) Catch a potential GF 3)Get more infomation. Don't try to make it too complicated. I guess if you have a combo idea give your more detailed idea. I think I've already gone over a bunch of great reasons why you can't catch the GF with your plan. However, with the LSB plan the GF can't do the action of the role he appears as. Hmm... so if we have a confirmed watcher, we could possibly root out mafia claims by asking the mafia member to do something on someone and then watching it. Mafia could use roleblocker/framer to fake this but perhaps we could find away around it and this plan would certainly get very powerful if we were to knock out 1/2 red special roles. Given the lengths certain people have gone to protect BM I have thought that perhaps he is one of the special roles. | ||
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On August 07 2010 12:51 bumatlarge wrote: Ok ignore the fact that i stated pandains plan was in action 10 pages before he brought it up. Do we have any day roles? I thought they were all night. So what could you possibly be talking about. | ||
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On August 07 2010 13:13 Pandain wrote: How bout, with my plan, we add a DT checking BM. IF he turns out Vet, and DT can PM watcher, than we lynch him, because it's hella unlikely that he just HAPPENS to be those vets. Also, watcher can also ask for other vets to PM him counterclaiming just in case. Would be nice if BM could tell us what he is or comment on the plan. | ||
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On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote: Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca. Yeah flamewheel has been on MSN all night but still hasn't answered my question about whether a watcher can see a tracker attempting to track a ninja. | ||
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KT 4-0 4-1 4-2 4-3 3-4 2-4 1-4 0-4 My unbiased and fun-inducing plan for determining THIS GUY: Roffles (4-2 Either Team) Hesmyrr (KT 4-3 SKT1) (KT 4-1 SKT1) Artanis[xp] (KT 3-4 SKT1) (KT 1-4 SKT1) They posted at least a bit so less likey ones here: Laaan (KT 4-0 SKT1) Love1Another (KT 0-4 SKT1) (If love1another gets lynched, put this on Laaan) I guess it's not too guaranteed they will die for being THIS GUY since mafia can just send roleblocker or framer so we don't need to pick from inactives but I think this will work anyway. Also, lynch BM: Digging for blues in PMs Begging for roleclaims when unconfirmed (exactly what he did last game he was GF) Creating a bandwagon to save himself and lying about why Chainsaw defended by Foolishness so we will know where to go next if he flips red Only reason love1another is dying is people get some idea that the game doesn't start until Day 2. You really think he is red? No, he's just unhelpful. What's more unhelpful? Posting a bit, or begging for role claims and coming up with dangerous plans when Pandain and LSB came up with rational ones. You can indeed pick out people on Day 1 - in fact, this is when mafia has their guard down most and their organization figured out least. Foolishness would back me up on this if he wasn't acting completely erratic and scummy this game. | ||
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On August 07 2010 16:53 flamewheel wrote: ? Uhhh I have no logs on my MSN today. If Watcher is watching ninja he/she sees nothing. Wellllll that was unexpected and makes our plans potentially harder. | ||
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On August 07 2010 17:40 Bill Murray wrote: i'm not red bro you need to drop that so persuasive | ||
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On August 07 2010 18:24 Bill Murray wrote: you tried to steal my plan if anything, your plan is like my plan, except it is worse because it risks a lot of blues potentially, whereas mine risks one. respond to why we should lay all our cards out on the table when there are roleblockers, framers, and ninjas lurking out there, and convince me, and i'll back off. i want this whole planning stage to end, really, so we can start scumhunting YOUR PLAN WAS EVERYONE CLAIM TO YOU THAT WAS YOUR PLAN PANDAIN CAME UP WITH HIS OWN PLAN ARE YOU REALLY TRYING TO REWRITE THIS WHOLE PLAN AT THE LAST HOUR IN A WAY THAT JUST HAPPENS TO TAKE AWAY THE RISK OF YOU GETTING FOUND OUT? *faints from vocal cord spasms* | ||
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On August 07 2010 18:33 Bill Murray wrote: I just hope I'm not lynched for being an idiot and trying to help the town You're now two votes removed from being lynched so you can quit quivering in your booties. | ||
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On August 07 2010 18:57 youngminii wrote: Anyone get the feeling these guys are scum and are arguing with each other to distract town from any real progress? Just sayin, 'cause when I opened this thread I felt like I had stepped into a clusterfuck of a warzone. Change your vote to BM and see if I complain. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:08 Bill Murray wrote: ok, but since you "modified" my idea, you've ruined it. you are letting a roleblocker ruin a circle potentially the way i am doing it limits it to 1 person who needs to be pmed, the way you all have modified it makes it to where multiple people have to do multiple things. you all are also indicating to him where to go, which doesn't confirm shit. it needs to be called BEFORE and BY the person. We can't say "Go to house A" or we won't know who the fucking tracker is in the first place. Your "idea" which suspiciously came RIGHT after mine is like the mafia-influenced variant of my idea. It enables multiple people to know where to go. What I want the tracker to do is to roleclaim and to call his shot. Mafia won't do this unless they want to trade a roleblocker or framer for a tracker, which they won't want to. I'd take that trade. I really don't believe a ninja would want to get mixed up in that shit, either. We made a plan to confirm the watcher. If the tracker calls it in the thread, the mafia can role block him. It's sorta like your idea is like your mafia-influenced idea for everyone to claim to you, except slightly less suspicious. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote: your plan isn't good. let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand: watcher watches player a tracker tracks player a framer frames player a roleblocker blocks player a watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who This is my plan: watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a tracker visits player a = we trust him tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him This is our plan: blues don't have to claim to anyone unconfirmed. This is your plan: blues get completely exposed. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:16 Pandain wrote: ahaha, if that happens, that's the best thing ever. We get BOTH of the special roles for mafia. The watcher will know everyone, and basically we can medic protect the watcher and then lynch the other 3. Sure, we might lose a tracker but we'll get a framer and a roleblocker. Better evidence please. Exactly. List of 3 with 2 mafia on it? We don't want that? | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:19 Bill Murray wrote: you act like we'll KNOW they're mafia. We won't. you're right. ??% risk of wandering townie. Or blues ignoring plan but that's a risk with any plan. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:22 Bill Murray wrote: blues ignoring plan but reds not ignoring it, fakeclaiming blue, and raping us.... not like that ever happens.... or happened last game.... na, no way, jose Blues didn't ignore the plan last game. They all claimed. We made fake claims. Town sorted it out poorly. | ||
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On August 07 2010 20:04 XeliN wrote: I have to say Bill and Pandain if you guys end up both being mafia I'll be exceptionally suprised, would show some great dedication to faking conflict this early in the game. When I asked Pandain for his PMs with BM he handed them over in like 30 seconds, maybe 2 minutes. Yeah, he could have prepared them or handed them over if mafia, but I really doubt they are on the same team. | ||
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On August 07 2010 20:06 Pandain wrote: watcher has to deal with these people -1 Hmm... unless someone else can offer anything, this may be right. The chance of there being two dts is enough to be taken seriously. Thoughts about this? I'd like to try to save the plan if possible? With all this arguing I dunno how we are ever gonna get the blues to even figure out what plan they should go with. For me priority one is scumhunting. Any blue plan is icing on the cake but shouldn't be necessary for us to win. So, BM is right on that. Problem with my perspective is that I think he is mafia and his plan no apparently includes him getting medic protection? I love how he says his plan would be great if it gets blocked because that will distract the mafia roleblocker from possibly stopping the medic. But now his plan apparently includes a 100% chance of distracting the medic, forcing him to protect an obvious mafia member and leaving the mafia free to hit tonight with impunity. | ||
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For me priority one is scumhunting. Any blue plan is icing on the cake but shouldn't be necessary for us to win. So, BM is right on that. Problem with my perspective is that I think he is mafia and his plan now apparently includes him getting medic protection? I love how he says his plan would be great if it gets blocked because that will distract the mafia roleblocker from possibly stopping the medic. But now his plan apparently includes a 100% chance of distracting the medic, forcing him to protect an obvious mafia member and leaving the mafia free to hit tonight with impunity. | ||
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On August 07 2010 20:20 Pandain wrote: With the State of the Pandain Plan in question I still know that I can rely on my original plan, getting people to talk. With that, I'm going on vacation. I should have internet there so I'll be posting, dw. But don't know if I'll be back in time for the vote. So I'm voting Roffles. I'm sorry man, you can't just make one post so far, and that one post saying you don't care about anything anyone's saying. That doesn't help anyone at all. With that, I'm voting him. He was more active than this as medic... ninja? | ||
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On August 08 2010 07:54 Foolishness wrote: If you argue that the town will benefit from killing someone with a big ego, I'm sure you could contend to get him lynch. I'd surely vote for him; I think you could get a few more. Cause young's ego has been bigger than BM or my own this game... | ||
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On August 08 2010 08:29 Foolishness wrote: I'm voting to keep BM alive. | ||
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On August 08 2010 11:51 Bill Murray wrote: i told you all we should have lynched foolishness or someone who is actually red shall we lynch foolishness together tomorrow? | ||
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On August 08 2010 12:39 tree.hugger wrote: You two are suddenly working together? Wait, what? And I've never been in a game where we got red with the first kill. There's a ton of factors that make it really difficult to pull off, but mainly it's just that we don't have good evidence on anyone. And that's no matter what you know, or (more likely) think you know about Foolishness or anyone else. We'll have more evidence after tonight, I guess. I don't think Foolishness is mafia, and I don't think you've proved it in any way. What kind of proof do you think exists in this game? He's acting completely different than he does as town, he's freaking out to defend BM against two different people with legitimate concerns, and he's going directly against his usual play-style of scumhunting on day 1. | ||
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On August 08 2010 13:08 Foolishness wrote: Aren't you supposed to be arguing with BM? I recall you making multiple posts about how when BM flips red I'm for sure his mafia buddy. Which is strange as a whole since BM has been actively opposing me for a while now...but I guess that's just cause he realized you were obviously townie so he turned to look at the next best player who could be mafia and here I was! Say, have you dared to notice how this thread has been dominated by the same 10ish people? I mean surely you have to have realized that you've been holding conversations in the thread with the same people over and over and over again. I only happened to take notice when I decided to make a list of the inactive/lurkers. And I got 16-20 people on that list, give or take. And now I beg to wonder...when you, BM, Divinek, Pandain, and youngminii are through killing each other off, how you going to find the rest of the mafia? Do you even have any idea who among the lurkers is probably innocent and who's suspicious? Probably not because you're busy formulating the town plan and looking at the active players (there's nothing wrong with this at all, I'm just saying how it is). Now it seems very reasonable to me (and I'd hope a few others) that all you goody active players just toss your ego's aside for a moment and take care to notice of the fact that good players who are normally active are pretty much mia this entire game (i.e. Chezinu, Infundibulum, DTA). Not to mention some veteran is smurfing under the name VayeshMoru. Perhaps we should be looking here since when the lot of you are finish killing yourselves off the town is going to be screwed. And I do realize that there's a better chance I'm going to invent a perpetual motion device tomorrow than of this happening, but I guess I just secretly hope someone takes note of this and learns from it. I don't see any reason why this game isn't a repeat of the one BM hosted. Mafia sit back and do nothing and watch town kill themselves. Yes I realize it got a tad bit complicated in the middle but still. I know you're probably thinking at some point "Well hey Foolishness, you are normally more active that you're currently being why should we pay more attention to Chezinu than you?" Truth is, I don't have time to deal with all your "town plans" that probably aren't going to work and your suspicions against me. I got a job to do, I'm weeding out mafia members among the lurkers. And that's what I do best. It's day one and I don't got much to go on since nobody is pressuring any of the lurkers, but I'd like to think I'm getting somewhere with it. And there are more than enough people that can vouch that I'm active in PM land. You go do what you do. I'm going to go do what I do. I'll talk to you when it's necessary and I have information. If you or BM or anyone keep taking one-liner shots at me in the thread, don't expect a response, I don't have the time. I still think you and BM are Mafias numeros uno y dos. BM won't kill you; I'm just calling his bluff. The same people were in the thread a long time because we are the few awake and on TL at that time. We argued over plans too much, it got too complicated, whatever. A lot of that was your buddy BM who kept trying to make sure an integral part of the plan was that mafia find out who blues were or that BM would get medic protection. The weird lurkers are worth thinking about but there are probably a lot of ninjas in there. Let's see how many of these big name inactives die tonight to ninja shots. | ||
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On August 08 2010 15:08 Bill Murray wrote: i doubt all 3 of us will be alive (if foolishness is town with us), honestly right, cuz you're gonna kill us tonight and like there was any chance you were gonna try to lynch foolishness day 1 you didn't tell anyone to lynch foolishness until I pointed out the obvious link between you two | ||
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On August 09 2010 06:55 BrownBear wrote: This actually brings up a good point. This plan hinges on one person surviving the night, as well as being active enough to notice the plan and agree to it. It's highly likely he'll survive the night. If he's not paying attention, though... at best the plan is useless, at worst mafia can turn it against us somehow. People just have to not be stupid and claim too early until things are confirmed. Maybe that is asking too much, though. | ||
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Bill Murray and Foolishness are the two obvious reds to me. They were best buddies, I pointed out Foolishness chainsaw defending BM twice, and all of a sudden they are bluffing against each other. Simple enough. If BM flips red and you don't take out Foolishness, fuck you town, you deserve the loss and more. Need a recap? BM begged for all blues to claim to him BM kept pushing for plans involving blues claiming to town before anything confirmed goes down. BM was fishing for Pandain's role in PM. Foolishness isn't playing his town or blue style at all. He was furiously defending BM right at the start of the game, despite BM's style being about the exact opposite of what Foolishness usually likes to see when playing as town. BM was too busy pushing his sketchy plans to do any scumhunting day 1. He claimed Divinek was mafia, then backed off, voted for love1another and didn't make any hard push for anyone else. As soon as day breaks, he attempts to rewrite history by saying he was pushing for Foolishness's lynch but no one would listen. Watch him fail to seriously go after Foolishness on Day 2 and respond accordingly. If Foolishness gets lynched and flips red before Bill Murray, DO NOT trust BM regardless of what part he played in killing Foolishness. If Foolishness and BM flip innocent feel free to bash on me and I'm sorry. So if BM flips red and then Foolishness flips red, who to look at next then? Hesmyrr: laid low, came out and put a FoS on BM while voting to save BM. I know Foolishness told the hatter to put a bomb on Hesmyrr; ignore this. Low risk of hatter following that, Foolishness didn't give a reason why, even if a hatter did that the hatter might not die for a while so it could keep him alive longer. Really, the post didn't seem to have any real intended effect, just the surface effect of putting the two players at odds - kinda like BM's quick FoS on Hesmyrr and some other player. BrownBear: BM's first post subtly defended BB. He tried to help BM shoot down LSB's plan by pointing out small technicalities when BM's plan is nothing but one big huge liability. BM points out that a BB post is scummy as fuck and prompty goes no where with this line of reasoning. Posts about the same time as Foolishness during the time BM starts to get saved in the voting thread. Foolishness says "What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? BrownBear says "Are we really lynching BM day 1?" Neither care to engage the argument on merits. BB and Foolishness both seem to be awfully focused on what happens to BM - I am too, but it's because he's scummy. No one should be so trust worthy of other players so early that they are willing to defend them so much; that's why it's weird that BM uses his first post to say that the mafia probably haven't posted yet. Also, he PM'd me to say he is suspicious of BM but doesn't want to vote for him, which echoes Hesmyrr. LSB: He was the first person I suspected; I don't suspect him anymore, though. BM's first post seemed to defend either him, or BB, or maybe both. I thought it was odd that he said that killing and inactive usually hurts town but argued for it anyway. He also posted from the perspective of mafia saying something "doesn't seem like a plan the mafia would fall for". I like his plan, though. I don't think mafia would propose competing plans. If they did, it would be to confuse people so no plan happens but LSB has been really key in organizing and PMing so people can get on the same page. If the plan falls apart and backfires and some loophole gets revealed, take a look at him, but I think he's okay now. bumatlarge was on my list for helping with the divinek thing but I'm not too on to him anymore. So my list is actually down to four - big dissapointment, I know. I love the posts from Chezinu and his clone. Unfortunately they are very anti-town so you'll have to figure that out with DT or Ninja checks or lynches. | ||
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On August 09 2010 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: I want to mention that with exception of RoTK Mafia, my play style (if you can call it that) has been consistently to make post with content and avoid meaningless fluff posts - resulting in low activity rate. Well my argument really is maybe .05% about inactivity but thanks for the strawperson anyway. On August 09 2010 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: I like how you assume that at least three mafia would come out of woodworks to rescue BM, who in that junction is widely criticized and whose negative flip, should that be true, will put massive suspicion on his defenders. Foolishness defended BM when he was under light criticism and but stopped when I pointed out his double chainsaw defense in favor of BM. I like how you mangle my argument into "at least three mafia would come out of the woodworks to rescue BM" when actually I pointed out how both you and BrownBear attacked Bill Murray with your words while, under further scrutiny, defending him with your actions. You have nothing to worry about, though, if I am wrong about the first two, so don't get to worried. | ||
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Okay, I am sending this to you in case I die. You are not the only person I am sending this to. All I ask is that if I die, can you post this message? Think of it as my will. I will reveal this tomorrow. I played along with Foolishness because I need to survive. If I do not die, just don't do anything with this, Please. I'll whip it out Day 2 if my plan went well. I also suspect Divenk/Misder are mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=11#202, read below he sounds fake. If your mafia, we'll w/e I'd probably be wrong about Foolishness Message below Foolishness sounds scummy ------------------------------------------------ yessir. Here's what we can do first. Get a list together of everyone that's commented on your plan. We want to find people who have pointed out minor flaws in your plan without saying much else (most likely mafia). People who actively criticize your plan are probably town (they don't want the town to enact some stupid plan), and people who try to improve your plan are probably town as well. If someone makes a moot post pointing out a flaw or passively agreeing to it, they are top suspect. Obviously it's night time and not a lot of people are around so we're not going to have a lot of data, but it'll be a start. Let me know what you find. We'll then figure out someone for you to start PMing with. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Sure, I'll help you Of course, you're going along with the plan right? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hello, I am Foolishness I am asking you to help me in finding the mafia among the lurkers. I have sent this PM to you because I think you can help me out. It is crucial for us, as the town, to use PMing to our advantage to weed out the mafia members. Although no plan is foolproof, I ask if you are willing to PM other players in order to get them to slip up. There are some people that would act differently if I were to PM them, since I am apparently a figurehead for this game. There's also a limit to the amount of people I am able to keep track of through PMs (and right now it's a lot). The benefits are great, and as long as you run things by me the risks are small. I look forward to hearing from you Foolishness ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hello, I am LSB. I am asking you to follow this plan for night one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=43#845 I have sent this PM to everyone playing Mafia XXX. In order for us to succeed, we need to work together. Although no plan is foolproof, I ask that you go though and review it. We could not find any way that the mafia could slip and disrupt it. I believe the plan speaks for itself. The benifts are great, and the risks are small Feel free to PM me if you have any questions LSB | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:05 Foolishness wrote: I took a hit last night So I guess instant analysis is: 1. Mafia, lying. 2. Vet 3. Medic didn't follow plan 4. Ninja 5. Bus Driver didn't follow plan, redirected Medic onto you. 6. Mafia got hit by vigi that is suspicious of how different Foolishness is acting this game, somehow got protted (see 4 or 5) Yep, I don't know much. All these blues make it harder for town to figure shit out lol. | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:19 Foolishness wrote: Okay now why don't you pick the most likely choice out of that list. imo... 1. Mafia (since you are so scummy), then 4. Ninja (pming 8 people asking them to do things they could do in the thread - seems like blue fishing but could be enemy ninja fishing, mayyybe the scummy anti-town play is to keep the mafia of your tail since you are usually a huge threat to them), then 2. Veteran (maybe you are playing so different to appear like ninja/blue to soak up a hit - this makes little sense though because you usually get hit day 1 while playing pro-town). | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:43 Foolishness wrote: I didn't ask for your opinion. I said to pick the choice that was most likely. Even if 2 DTs came out and said I was clean and a Tracker followed me and I didn't visit anyone and even if the GF was already dead I know you'd still accuse me of being mafia. Don't tell me things I already know. See, I'm trying to find the truth is all. So I have to be open to various possibilities. And if I think it is appropriate to highlight the 3 most likely things and rank them in order likelihood, I will do that instead of tunneling. Have I zeroed in on BM? Yes. I maintain he should be lynched first, and all my other conclusions span from there. I feel this is a better town strategy than going after people randomly, and trying to scumhunt as if there is only one mafia out there at a time. I feel that I lessen the risk of town messing up by remaining focused on how I came about my list and following that logical progression with lynches. And it is also interesting that 2 of my 4 suspects have claimed to be targets of mafia (or other) violence in the night. We will have more information coming in so I am open to that. | ||
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Like I said in the thread 1 red 2 ninja 3 vet This situation mayyybe upped the likelihood of ninja over red, but that's wifom in the end. Either way, I bet he's dead soon because of how much it makes him look like a ninja. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What do you think is most likely? Vet, ninja, red or dumbass blue? | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:53 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I going to half way give up the challenge set before me and speak ooc. "Just don't let Chez know we were talking" lololol that was so obvious you two were talking. Did you know out of everyone in this game only you, LSB, and Xelin were pming me. Of course, I bugged the Scribe but my stalking ways weren't too pleasant. So interesting how you seem to post at the same time of day as your clone. | ||
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On August 09 2010 12:00 BrownBear wrote: How exactly did I claim blue? I just said I was roleblocked. The role write up says that even if a green or ninja gets waxed they will be told. | ||
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On August 09 2010 12:08 Chezinu wrote: Ok, let's have the conversation in public. I visited the scribe last night and saw nothing, yet the scribe claims to have visited someone last night. I think I'm seeing our plan's chance of success rapidly sink. | ||
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On August 09 2010 12:19 DarthThienAn wrote: It's okay I still haven't read pages 25-40, but it doesn't seem like I've missed much. :D PLEASE READ THE THREAD. Ugh. | ||
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On August 09 2010 12:26 DarthThienAn wrote: I have an idea. My suggestion is that we coordinate better if we know what units we have on the field. The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces. Every game where I've seen people nameclaim or roleclaim I've seen the town win as far as I can remember. Do you guys want to win? I am very competitive. I know I like to. I will risk my life for you guys. Feel free to claim to me. If everyone would just trust me this one time, we could have an epic game. Basically, I'm waiting to hear about more of what went down Night 1. >>. Fucking BM. Initials fit him so well. | ||
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On August 09 2010 12:36 DarthThienAn wrote: Hmm.. I don't really see the mafia opted out of a roleblock. It's like a 1/3 chance of getting a blue, and with LSB's plan all over the front page last night, they definitely wouldn't pass they opportunity up.. Eh could happen if my list was right :/ how bout we lynch BM and sees about it? Yes, I think so. | ||
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On August 09 2010 13:38 youngminii wrote: God damnit I'm busy for like a day and there's 3948234 pages to read. Can someone post a summary of what's happened? This is the third townie asking for a summary. We are so fucked. I dunno why I spend all this time analyzing behavior when someone is just gonna get some biased summary from some red or someone who's not paying attention. | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:43 Foolishness wrote: I didn't ask for your opinion. I said to pick the choice that was most likely. Even if 2 DTs came out and said I was clean and a Tracker followed me and I didn't visit anyone and even if the GF was already dead I know you'd still accuse me of being mafia. Don't tell me things I already know. Okay, here's the most likely scenario: Mafia double stacked LSB. Foolishness is Godfather posing as veteran. 99.9% sure | ||
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On August 09 2010 14:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: unvote ##vote bill murray I may be but an honest scribe, so I do recall you doing the following pattern day 1. To my knowledge this is not favourable given your response and lack of factual evidence. LOL YOU ASSHOLE I KNEW IT. | ||
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On August 09 2010 14:26 Foolishness wrote: Didn't you read his posts? I've used up my extra life so I got nothing else to live for. Forget about establishing town circles and the what not...I've lost my extra life. Therefore I am useless. So perhaps we can lynch you to confirm this? | ||
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On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote: youngminii: already been said. I plan on doing an indepth analysis tomorrow (I really need to go sleep shortly >.<) Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything. Chezinu: Fits the bill with youngminii (notice how youngminii is protective of Chezinu during day 1). Also I don't think you're mafia, Pyrry's not mafia, I'm not mafia, which leaves Chezinu as top candidate for balancing purposes. Infundibulum also fits for balancing since he's one of the most experienced players in this game as well. Weeding through the inactives/lurkers is a tiring and troublesome process. infundi being weird is legit but could be blue or ninja as much as red. I don't have an FoS on Youngminii IF Youngminii were to flip red Chezinu would be a good place to go next. | ||
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On August 09 2010 14:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah, I'm changing it up this game. Last game I posted a lot and got dragged into arguments and lines of thinking that ultimately didn't help the town and ended up being frustrated with myself. Since I have less time right now anyway, i'm taking a more laid back approach to this game and trying to think more analytically than emotionally. I'm sure you're not the only one to have noticed. That said I did some thinking and depending on what the tracker found, Xelin could be a confirmed innocent. Essentially, Xelin being framed to appear red doesn't matter - if Xelin is mafia and was tracked, the tracker will know that Xelin visited someone on today's kill list and ergo that he is mafia. If Xelin didn't visit anybody, then he's not mafia even if he was framed. So I don't think we need to worry about lynching Xelin. Exceptions: Xelin is Principal or Ninja, in such cases my previous logic does not apply since those roles can't be tracked. So basically this actually works out pretty well in that we have only 2 townies dead and 2 quasi-confirmed townies in Xelin and Foolishness. Yeah too bad the tracker appears to be Chezinu and he appears to have tracked Papa Smurf. | ||
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On August 08 2010 12:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: Lol. Wow...Thread explosion. His only post since day 20. Lol. I didn't even know he was playing. Why isn't he on the inactive list above? | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: So then. We can assume Xelin is practically confirmed, yes yes? Foolishness, were you med protected or vet protected? Would be nice to know you and a med are in cahoots. Lmao. I point out you're missing and you show up. Sorry, bro. | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: So then. We can assume Xelin is practically confirmed, yes yes? Foolishness, were you med protected or vet protected? Would be nice to know you and a med are in cahoots. Actually that would suck because it would mean another blue ignored the plan. Xelin is 0% confirmed because we have someone claiming tracker who claims to have tracked VayeshMoru instead of Xelin. | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:17 ~OpZ~ wrote: If a tracker speaks up, then we would all need to PM Xelin. Basically, tracker, whoever you tracked if they visited ANYONE and the person visited didn't die, you got us a confirmed townie. If they didn't visit anyone, you shouldn't pm them. GF, Ninja....Lil scary world out there. But, Tracker, if you visited Xelin, and Xelin visited someone. And given the watcher watched Xelin....We should have one hell of a town circle. VARY NICE?! So once Tracker posts that he followed Xelin...Should we mass claim to Xelin? We dont have the number of roles, BUT we can assume by balance.... I thought LSB's plan was to confirm the watcher and not Xelin. We've already had someone claim tracker and say they followed VoyeshMoru. Who? Read the thread please. | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: Lmao. My bad Pyrr. I take that back. -_- I really gotta chill. It's cool <3. | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: Chez/Bumatlarge I know who. There could be more than one, or chez could be lying. It IS Chez after all.... Too true. Sadly, I think I believe him. | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:27 BrownBear wrote: So reading through the thread, here's the major things I got out of this... 1: How the hell does BC factor into this game? 2: Chez continues to be amazing. And ridiculous. 3: Young continues to be young. 4: People are throwing way too much WIFOM around about Foolishness. I personally think he's telling the truth. 5: Image macros are stupid. So, young, since you seem to be the most vocal against foolishness, and because you're trashing up the thread with hate again, AND because I want to see how you react, I'm voting for you. At the very least, lynching you gives us some information, while lynching a random inactive (bum wtf I've been more active than you >< ) gives us no information. If you wanna lynch for information, why not BM? He flips innocent and we might become BFFs. | ||
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On August 10 2010 06:12 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: should it be Ninjii? Well in Japanese the plural would be Ninja. In English, I think Ninjas is fine. | ||
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On August 10 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote: When are you going to be away from your computer? I need to post stuff about youngminii and I can't afford to have you spam it away. Um I will definetly be away from my computer from 4 am to 8 am pacific time. | ||
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On August 10 2010 06:41 Divinek wrote: what do you mean see what happens? what do we gain from lynching him? prove that he played like an idiot like the start of every other game? We figure out that Foolishness is GF because he vociferously defended BM despite his idiocy. | ||
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On August 10 2010 06:50 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I defended BM, can I be the Principal too? Nope, sorry. | ||
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On August 10 2010 06:56 Bill Murray wrote: the fact people are trying to lynch me without any case, or information, and the fact i'm NOT mafia, makes me think it's a scum-driven wagon that has looked opportunistic to lurkers we, as a town, need to pick a target to keep me alive so i can continue to help the town pyrrhuloxia is a great target in my opinion, because he has been very anti-town and trying to spread chaos Oh yeah, no case whatsoever. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Alright, so instead of a big pre-dawn post I'll try to make this quick. [EDIT: Still turned out long even though I left out a bunch of quotes] Bill Murray and Foolishness are the two obvious reds to me. They were best buddies, I pointed out Foolishness chainsaw defending BM twice, and all of a sudden they are bluffing against each other. Simple enough. If BM flips red and you don't take out Foolishness, fuck you town, you deserve the loss and more. Need a recap? BM begged for all blues to claim to him BM kept pushing for plans involving blues claiming to town before anything confirmed goes down. BM was fishing for Pandain's role in PM. Foolishness isn't playing his town or blue style at all. He was furiously defending BM right at the start of the game, despite BM's style being about the exact opposite of what Foolishness usually likes to see when playing as town. BM was too busy pushing his sketchy plans to do any scumhunting day 1. He claimed Divinek was mafia, then backed off, voted for love1another and didn't make any hard push for anyone else. As soon as day breaks, he attempts to rewrite history by saying he was pushing for Foolishness's lynch but no one would listen. Watch him fail to seriously go after Foolishness on Day 2 and respond accordingly. If Foolishness gets lynched and flips red before Bill Murray, DO NOT trust BM regardless of what part he played in killing Foolishness. If Foolishness and BM flip innocent feel free to bash on me and I'm sorry. So if BM flips red and then Foolishness flips red, who to look at next then? Hesmyrr: laid low, came out and put a FoS on BM while voting to save BM. I know Foolishness told the hatter to put a bomb on Hesmyrr; ignore this. Low risk of hatter following that, Foolishness didn't give a reason why, even if a hatter did that the hatter might not die for a while so it could keep him alive longer. Really, the post didn't seem to have any real intended effect, just the surface effect of putting the two players at odds - kinda like BM's quick FoS on Hesmyrr and some other player. BrownBear: BM's first post subtly defended BB. He tried to help BM shoot down LSB's plan by pointing out small technicalities when BM's plan is nothing but one big huge liability. BM points out that a BB post is scummy as fuck and prompty goes no where with this line of reasoning. Posts about the same time as Foolishness during the time BM starts to get saved in the voting thread. Foolishness says "What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? BrownBear says "Are we really lynching BM day 1?" Neither care to engage the argument on merits. BB and Foolishness both seem to be awfully focused on what happens to BM - I am too, but it's because he's scummy. No one should be so trust worthy of other players so early that they are willing to defend them so much; that's why it's weird that BM uses his first post to say that the mafia probably haven't posted yet. Also, he PM'd me to say he is suspicious of BM but doesn't want to vote for him, which echoes Hesmyrr. LSB: He was the first person I suspected; I don't suspect him anymore, though. BM's first post seemed to defend either him, or BB, or maybe both. I thought it was odd that he said that killing and inactive usually hurts town but argued for it anyway. He also posted from the perspective of mafia saying something "doesn't seem like a plan the mafia would fall for". I like his plan, though. I don't think mafia would propose competing plans. If they did, it would be to confuse people so no plan happens but LSB has been really key in organizing and PMing so people can get on the same page. If the plan falls apart and backfires and some loophole gets revealed, take a look at him, but I think he's okay now. bumatlarge was on my list for helping with the divinek thing but I'm not too on to him anymore. So my list is actually down to four - big dissapointment, I know. I love the posts from Chezinu and his clone. Unfortunately they are very anti-town so you'll have to figure that out with DT or Ninja checks or lynches. | ||
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On August 10 2010 07:15 XeliN wrote: At this point I am urging anyone who hasn't roleclaimed to me already to do so, I'm only able to verify myself 100% to people who I can in turn verify, but if anyone is willing to trust at this point and claim to me it would be quite helpful. I guess it might be obvious at this point that If I was lying in what i've been asserting then I would have been called out by now, and that hopefully is enough to persuade people of my innocence. But anyway plz claim to me, especially the WATCHER.... who im starting to think is not even in this game which would be a great shame Yeah fantastic claim to the guy that is 0% confirmed since the whole plan relied on the watcher who doesn't apparently exist. I doubt you would be GF, though, so I suppose if you weren't tracked anywhere fishy you could be alright. Unless you were the role blocker that didn't act last night so BB could claim being waxed; the rules are unclear whether this is possible or not. | ||
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On August 10 2010 07:25 Bill Murray wrote: you really are an abrasive little fellow Yeah, we got off on the wrong foot. This may never be rectified until purgatory. I will see you on the smoky island, perhaps then we can reconcile our differences, yes? | ||
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On August 10 2010 07:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: DID you not see LSB's plan? If he was found red, he would of been given up a long time ago by the DT's that checked him. Fail Logic volume 1. Yeah, okay. I don't think he's GF. Carry on. We might have no DTs, though, with ninjas running around. | ||
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On August 10 2010 07:43 Bill Murray wrote: yeah and the fairy god mother might come down and give you a c note use your head If there's a problem with my post, point it out logically and explicitly, por favor. | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:00 bumatlarge wrote: It should end tonight at 10pm I believe. Do you have contact with some blue roles at least Xelin? I feel really distanced, and would just like to know that people are doing what they are supposed to. Maybe I just have had to many conversations with Chez to trust blues Yeah, all sorts of shit is happening behind the scenes; it's mindfucking the hell out of me. This game is worse than talking to girls. | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote: For anyone who may be reading this game but not playing it, let it be known that saying "I'm blue" is much more convincing to prove yourself innocent than taking a hit at night. For anyone who may be playing this game or reading it, let it be known that claiming vet and saying you've taken a hit is basically as much proof as just claiming blue, as in there is no proof. | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:28 Foolishness wrote: Opz has a town circle of which he swears by is legit. Apparently I'm still mafia though. Did you know there have been at least 3 people to claim tracker so far? Maybe 4, it's hard for me to tell since nobody will talk to me. But now I'm just being bitter. I have, in fact, heard that there are at least 3 people claiming tracker. I have also heard that I am a tracker, which is news to me. | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: You're actually Ninja. Let's get it straight. Duuhhhhhhhh. + Show Spoiler + (Maybe you're MH...omg...What are you!?) you have a circle; you tell me? | ||
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If BM is lynched, we will get a lot of info. If Foolishness is lynched, we will get a lot of info. If Artanis is lynched, we will get a lot of info. If youngminii is lynched, we will get some iffy info on Chezinu. If Chezinu is lynched, we will get a lot of info but let's not kill likely tracker. I say we just stick to the plan and not let BM get saved again. | ||
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- He claims veteran. He's veteran or GF. - He claims he didn't furiously defend BM. I mentioned before he opened up with slight suspicion of BM. This doesn't phase me; I'm sure he would if red because he's not a rash player. " I'd totally support you against this brodooski." Sounds like a lot of BM support to me. Also, the anti-BM posts came first, then he started to help BM. And it all comes down to where he actually puts his chips down: Foolishness was a key part of the bandwagon to save BM. Again, we should lynch Bill Murray first before we consider lynching Foolishness to avoid multiple mistakes here. The mafia wiki explains this tell is only useful if the defended person flips mafia - otherwise it could lead us to trouble. - Foolishness says "Before Pyrry accused me in the thread I had nothing supporting Bill Murray." This is an outright lie. First "I'd totally support you against this brodooski" came before I called Foolishness out. Second of all, his post asking for the list clearly was meant to say my list had to be false even though all Foolishness knew about it at the time was that Bill Murray was on it. Foolishness post against me was an attack even if he didn't accuse me of being red within it - it defended Bill Murray even though BM was not named. Also, he didn't chainsaw against Divinek but Pandain. I did misspeak and say Divinek earlier, and I also corrected myself earlier. My apologies again. I've posted the list for everyone to see; please evaluate it on its specific merits - not on some arbitrary opinion on whether or not lists are good in general. I do know that Foolishness has been PMing with a lot of players since I revealed LSB's PMs about this (and LSB's suspicions about these PMs). I have also heard from players other than LSB. - Foolishness says "Pyrry further said he didn't mean I chainsawed against Divinek, but against Pandain (he made a typo in his post). This further does not make sense since Pandain wasn't even against BM at the time (Pandain had voted for Chezinu)." I will refer you to "I'd totally support you against this brodooski" since the brodooski was Pandain, who attacked Bill Murray for fishing for Pandain's role in PMs, something Foolishness admits to doing, since he is trying to set up a circle even though he admits he is not confirmed. - RE: youngminii Here we go with Foolishness trying to save BM again, despite the innumerable shady things BM did last day. Remember how BM started today saying he told us to lynch Foolishness on Day 1? Remember how I called that out as bullshit and told you he didn't go for Foolishness on Day 1 and wouldn't on Day 2? Notice how they are once again uniting to lynch someone and save BM? The mafia is a team of six. Who does it look like youngminii is acting in concert with? Maybe chezinu. And I do have a little bit of possible interaction with chezinu / vayeshmaru / artanis. I still think Bill Murray / Foolishness / BB / Hesmyrr seems more likely. Foolishness's case against youngminii adds up to this: -not contributing He says its uni. I dunno. Plenty of people have actively admitted to not reading the thread. Lynching inactives doesn't help game 1 and doesn't really help later. If we are going after mafia, go after the most active mafia first. -defends Chezinu The appropriate play is to lynch the defended person first, and only be suspicious of someone if you are suspicious of who they defended based on other evidence. This is why I say to go for BM first and only then go after Foolishness. Chezinu has claimed tracker... I am a bit wary about this. He's also begged for bus protection so we may not see him flip soon. I can only hope someone in these circles sorts things out if he is red. -youngminii votes Foolishness after saying "his posts aren't hugely scummy" Youngminii is making a good point that people should not automatically trust Foolishness just because of a blue claim, since he believes Foolishness is a good enough player to claim blue without making it obvious it is a fake claim. That's not a slip up. I don't know why he would vote Foolishness first rather than BM, but it's not enough to vote for him over Bill Murray to me, not even close. | ||
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On August 10 2010 11:22 Bill Murray wrote: you're taking that out of context. i said i don't want to reference what happened. You can't say you don't want to reference it without referencing it. I'm sorry we've got so heated over the last few games. I still believe you are mafia in this game. I do not like that you ask for all blues to claim on day 1 (a play you previously did as godfather). I do not like that town is not bothered by this and that DTA keeps reposting it. | ||
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On August 10 2010 11:16 Divinek wrote: can you please go into detail about all the info we'll get. I wanna see if there's someone who gives the best/most info! that and it's annoying when people say something without saying it. Anyways with that im taking my vote off chez for now...i suppose he can be investigated and such. I will try to post as much as I can by the end of night but I am still trying to work stuff out and see if anything surfaces from these circle things. + Show Spoiler + Alright, so instead of a big pre-dawn post I'll try to make this quick. [EDIT: Still turned out long even though I left out a bunch of quotes] Bill Murray and Foolishness are the two obvious reds to me. They were best buddies, I pointed out Foolishness chainsaw defending BM twice, and all of a sudden they are bluffing against each other. Simple enough. If BM flips red and you don't take out Foolishness, fuck you town, you deserve the loss and more. Need a recap? BM begged for all blues to claim to him BM kept pushing for plans involving blues claiming to town before anything confirmed goes down. BM was fishing for Pandain's role in PM. Foolishness isn't playing his town or blue style at all. He was furiously defending BM right at the start of the game, despite BM's style being about the exact opposite of what Foolishness usually likes to see when playing as town. BM was too busy pushing his sketchy plans to do any scumhunting day 1. He claimed Divinek was mafia, then backed off, voted for love1another and didn't make any hard push for anyone else. As soon as day breaks, he attempts to rewrite history by saying he was pushing for Foolishness's lynch but no one would listen. Watch him fail to seriously go after Foolishness on Day 2 and respond accordingly. If Foolishness gets lynched and flips red before Bill Murray, DO NOT trust BM regardless of what part he played in killing Foolishness. If Foolishness and BM flip innocent feel free to bash on me and I'm sorry. So if BM flips red and then Foolishness flips red, who to look at next then? Hesmyrr: laid low, came out and put a FoS on BM while voting to save BM. I know Foolishness told the hatter to put a bomb on Hesmyrr; ignore this. Low risk of hatter following that, Foolishness didn't give a reason why, even if a hatter did that the hatter might not die for a while so it could keep him alive longer. Really, the post didn't seem to have any real intended effect, just the surface effect of putting the two players at odds - kinda like BM's quick FoS on Hesmyrr and some other player. BrownBear: BM's first post subtly defended BB. He tried to help BM shoot down LSB's plan by pointing out small technicalities when BM's plan is nothing but one big huge liability. BM points out that a BB post is scummy as fuck and prompty goes no where with this line of reasoning. Posts about the same time as Foolishness during the time BM starts to get saved in the voting thread. Foolishness says "What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? BrownBear says "Are we really lynching BM day 1?" Neither care to engage the argument on merits. BB and Foolishness both seem to be awfully focused on what happens to BM - I am too, but it's because he's scummy. No one should be so trust worthy of other players so early that they are willing to defend them so much; that's why it's weird that BM uses his first post to say that the mafia probably haven't posted yet. Also, he PM'd me to say he is suspicious of BM but doesn't want to vote for him, which echoes Hesmyrr. LSB: He was the first person I suspected; I don't suspect him anymore, though. BM's first post seemed to defend either him, or BB, or maybe both. I thought it was odd that he said that killing and inactive usually hurts town but argued for it anyway. He also posted from the perspective of mafia saying something "doesn't seem like a plan the mafia would fall for". I like his plan, though. I don't think mafia would propose competing plans. If they did, it would be to confuse people so no plan happens but LSB has been really key in organizing and PMing so people can get on the same page. If the plan falls apart and backfires and some loophole gets revealed, take a look at him, but I think he's okay now. bumatlarge was on my list for helping with the divinek thing but I'm not too on to him anymore. So my list is actually down to four - big dissapointment, I know. I love the posts from Chezinu and his clone. Unfortunately they are very anti-town so you'll have to figure that out with DT or Ninja checks or lynches. That covers my thoughts on BM / Foolishness. Additionally, we now have Foolishness claiming vet so the result of that could help figure out how compromised or not his circle is, since I know he's been PMing a lot of players. I think Artanis is at least partially the source of this false rumor that I am a tracker. I'm not sure on this. Youngminii did defend Chez. That defense definitely stuck out to me so Foolishness is right to bring it up again. If Chez were to flip red I would go for youngminii. I'm not good at dealing with non-talkative / weird players like Chez. My read on Chez is tracker... I'm not sure why he didn't follow the plan, though. Could be an excuse for some faking stuff. Chez is tracker or mafia; that much I am sure of. If he were to flip red I think I've outlined his possible bros above. Right now, I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team. Bill Murray is hinting that he will blue claim. This does not phase me because he never made this threat when he was as close to death yesterday. Maybe he is hinting not at blue claim but some other sort of circle / information thing. We will just have to deal with that as it comes. Bill Murray is a day 1 lynch often. The fact that he is getting a lot of help to stay alive seems odd to me when he has made dangerous plans and has not contributed too much. If he turns out to be town, this Team 2, centering on youngminii and chez can be investigated next. | ||
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On August 10 2010 12:06 Divinek wrote: well im less bothered by it because i couldnt believe anyone in their right mind would do it like there's no way if you were a blue role you'd go BM said to claim to him1?!? dohh'kay lets do it! i think he's a pretty fine lynch candidate for that reason alone though, since i suppose there's always one or two mindless sheep out there that act before they think, but it's gonna be sad face if he flips any kind of blue role Exactly, there are always these people that skim the thread or are new. Last game it was subversion who became our mafia team's DT just because one of us asked. | ||
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I meant Team 1. Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis. Another weird thing about Day 1 voting By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon. | ||
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On August 10 2010 12:41 bumatlarge wrote: Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here? Oooh juicy. Haven't heard anything about either of them in PM land. | ||
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On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team" I meant Team 1. Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis. Another weird thing about Day 1 voting By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon. | ||
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I think Bill Murray is the most suspicious, the most likely mafia. That, ultimately, is why I am voting for him. Foolishness says "The majority of us have been around to know that he does this nearly every game. And I say nearly because the times he doesn't are when he's mafia." I've already shown this to be false. BM was green in TL Mafia XvIII: he ran for mayor and his plan was simply to follow what the majority of town wants. In TL Mafia XX, I think (it was the game with assassins, for sure), Bill Murray was Godfather and screwed over the town by convincing them to follow a plan with a lot of blues claiming publically. Foolishness says "PYP mafia comes to mind, he had the Inventor role and came up with all these ridiculous plans..." Point taken, but Inventor is a ridiculous role that lends itself to ridiculous plans. BM's plan in this game wasn't complicated - it was "everyone claim to me", which is much closer to his last game as Godfather. " BM does this when he's town, and he very very very very frequently gets lynched for it." I haven't seen any evidence of a mass blue claiming plan from Bill Murray except when Godfather that one game. "Pyrry is making us seem buddy buddy when it's clear that I was suspicious of BM day 1, and BM has been suspicious of me since day started." You voted to save Bill Murray day 1 and defended him against me and Pandain. That totally outweighs a few public doubts. BM has been suspicious of you to no actual effect, only did this after my pressure, and you're both still voting to save BM. I remember Pikachu very well. The lesson learned was: Clues suck. I need to learn to look at behavior. Foolishness's argument on youngminii "has evidence and posts supporting that he's acting differently from when he's town." I have better: posts that show Bill Murray is advocating a plan similar to when he has been Godfather. "His further slip up when he says he didn't think I was scum only further adds to his case." How is that any different from how you and Bill Murray have refused to FoS me? WIFOM. "Pyrry keeps spamming the thread making it impossible to have anything meaningful stick" I just lost a game due to Bill Murray and someone else burying everything important I had to say - I'd like to not lose another. | ||
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On August 10 2010 13:09 BrownBear wrote: Bill Murray is a fucking idiot. As is foolishness, he was in no way supposed to give shit out to other people. If I die tonight it's both of your fucking fault. Lol so at least I'm right that they were interacting behind the scenes. | ||
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On August 10 2010 13:30 Foolishness wrote: This is BM's plan. It details having the assassins kill each. Nothing about getting all the blues to claim to him. I'm looking through and not seeing anything close to getting everyone to claim to BM. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Although notice that I site past games and posts as evidence while Pyrry does not. Part of his plan was that if two people were paired up and were blue they were supposed to claim publically. It was in a different post explaining his plan. I think I posted it before. I can dig it out. | ||
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Let's review the posts Foolishness says are scummy: First there's something about defending Pandain. That is somewhat worrisome; see my next post for more on Pandain. + Show Spoiler + DT can use a proxy townie like was done last game with Zeks and lakrismamma. Also, how did the mafia suck at blue sniping last game? They got every single blue long before the end of the game (and the end of the game was significantly shortened BECAUSE they sniped every blue). You were the one playing like a total scrub early game, linking pretty much all the blues together and accusing them as a group of scum (remember your PM parade telling everyone to lynch Subversion?). I hope people don't use PMs to the same effect this game, I'd say stay very wary of most PMs early game (case in point: Subversion revealing to Pandain that he was DT without having checked Pandain, Pandain was in fact a miller, but still could have been very dangerous). I never found out how Subversion's DT role got leaked, that was well and truly stupid as fuck. Youngminii being abrasive as usual. The PM stuff was good advice that no one is following; we'll see how that turns out. Next posts are defending Chezinu - if Chez is red, okay. Otherwise youngminii is probably just making sure we don't lynch him day 1 just for being weird. At least Chez wasn't scummy weird by asking for all blues to claim to him. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Maybe we are posting a bit too much (I don't think it's as much as last game lol).. Isn't the whole point of all this to generate discussion though? I mean, what else are we going to do, sit around and twiddle our thumbs? Quality post? No. Scummy post? Nope. Might as well be quoting BM's cat image. + Show Spoiler + Okay apparently BM can't see what's wrong with his plan. I shall outline them for you. If you are scum, we lose instantly. If you are town, 6 people will lie and you won't know who lied and who didn't and you can't publicly reveal them without exposing their identity. What are you going to do when all 6 scum claims town? Hmm? Oh right, nothing. Do you really, really, really think every single person will claim to you? Do you know how hard organisation is, especially on a forum? What are you going to do when the framer frames people? Uh oh. Can't be fucked listing anymore. It was good of him to chime in on this because BM kept pushing it which counters any idea that he was just fooling around. Next post youngminii says he will find scum and then he doesn't seem to so much later. Obvious mafia! Or maybe he is truthful about university. Either way, not a scumtell. Then he said he was way more involved with helping town in godfather mafia. He was also A DETECTIVE that game. Not really helpful because that is apples to oranges. You'd be better comparing to TL Mafia XXVIII since he was active in that one, but again I'm not ready to lynch him when BM is still on the table and it could be a case of less time available. Okay, good, Foolishness does have a post from XXVIII. It's a big long post about Chaoser who didn't happen to be mafia (lol that helped us a lot). When it comes down to it, nearly everything different about youngminii this game could be explained by him just being busier. The exceptions are weird defenses of both Chezinu and Pandain - but I'm not sure whether going after Youngminii before the others makes sense (see my upcoming post on Pandain especially). With Bill Murray and Foolishness, there is no possible simple explanation for the differences I see. Well, BM could be fucking around but I'd rather kill BM for fucking around than kill Youngminii for being busy. | ||
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I agree with Tree Hugger 100% We always make the wrong decision by shunning people who make "bad plans" (aka lynching them). [quote] Something tells me the TL Mafia metagame is shifting to where mafia players realize they can propose hella shady / huge potential reward plans with little risk. Several of you may understand what I mean here. [Quote] I'm a bit disturbed over this hit Foolishness took last night. We don't actually know if he took a hit, and though the numbers make sense, it could be a setup. We could be allowing a trap to manifest itself. Logically we should either lynch or check that player, but with the framer running around this isn't a bread and butter night action (wham bam thank you ma'am kinda deal). [/quote] Not to mention I am fairly certain Foolishness is GF if mafia. If Foolishness is mafia it prolly went down like this: LSB proves himself very dangerous with his great plan - if it works out he will be nearly confirmed for proposing it. Let's double up on him in case he is veteran and that's a great opportunity for a fake claim if he's not. Of course, that risks hitting a medic who then knows 3 hits were used and no vigi hits are day 1, so Foolishness is fake claiming. But wait! The plan guarantees the medic is on Xelin. What medic would like LSB enough to prot him but not enough to follow the plan? So, zero risk to mafia looking weird with a fake claim. | ||
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Foolishness claimed I was stupid for thinking anyone would cough up blue roles to Bill Murray just because he asked for them. Foolishness has now apparently coughed up BLUE ROLES to the Bill Murray who supposedly wasn't really blue fishing but joking around and supposedly wasn't allied with Foolishness at all. This does not add up. Lynch Bill Murray. Proceed from there. | ||
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Here is you thinking the plan is ridiculous, rather than scummy. So if it is ridiculous for him to collect blue names, why give him one, ya? | ||
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On August 10 2010 13:56 Foolishness wrote: Oh and where's that post about BM's plan from the other game? Here is Bill Murray as Godfather asking for blues to role claim publically -This plan was presented Day 1. -Basically, his plan was to group people in twos. If a group of two did not contain an assassin (called ninja's in this game) they were supposed to claim publically. Think about how high the odds are there. In this game, there are 2-4 ninjas. So if we did this plan here, it is basically presenting a Day 1 plan asking 22-28 of the 30 town's people to publically claim their role. On April 18 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote: OK. Big FoS on Zona/BC for completely ignoring my valid strategy of making people pitted against each other. If we have player A vs player B we will be able to learn who the assassins are through having them strategically fight each other. If neither one is an assassin, we can have them roleclaim. I know that a lot of people on TL are against roleclaiming like this, but it is very beneficial to the town. Good points from this: 1) we learn who the assassins are 2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins 3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 18 2010 05:42 Zona wrote: Wait...you were serious about your "everyone is an assassin" post? And you want everyone to roleclaim so early? First of all, if someone is an assassin, they aren't going to claim assassin. That's just setting a big target on their backs so that the other assassins can kill them. And if we mass roleclaim we just allow the mafia to choose the most valuable power roles to kill at night. Also - how am I derailing the town? I'm pointing out the fishy parts of BC's posts and posting my own proposed plan with reasoning to back it up. Here's Bill Murray's plan in spoilers for those that want to reference it. It was so silly I thought it was a joke. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2010 05:13 Bill Murray wrote: everyone is an assassin here's what we're going to do: The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles. | ||
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On August 10 2010 14:12 Foolishness wrote: Except the previous game is where you ruined the town and got a bunch of townies lynch. Granted you were mafia, but still. Exactly, I was mafia. So... kinda irrelevant. I had good reasons to lynch BM yesterday - he's playing very similar to his last game as Godfather. Those didn't disappear overnight. I'm not going to shrink my attention span and lose sight of them. Youngminii has some strikes against him, but it seems very foolish to consider him worse than Bill Murray at this point. Especially now that Bill Murray has outed a potential blue. He has gotten more suspicious to me, not less. The link between you and him has gotten more pronounced, not less. There have been some challenges to that link, but it remains quite well defined, I think. | ||
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On August 10 2010 14:13 Foolishness wrote: Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's mafia. Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's town. Got an example of him asking for mass role claim as non-mafia? I haven't looked through all of his games yes. But it surprises me how quick people are to assume that he is always crazy when he seemed quite normal in the one game I found of him as green. | ||
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Here is some fresh stuff: I have heard from multiple sources that Pandain has claimed ninja; a number of these sources claim that this is a fake claim. | ||
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On August 10 2010 14:59 Bill Murray wrote: I only do them to get information flowing. what's worse, getting the medic to protect you? forcing them to doublestack on you? or lynching someone like me who is trying to help the town? you tell me. how about me calling you out on a childish vote? is that good play? well, i'm posting, yet people keep voting me It's not day 1 anymore; we can't get anywhere voting for inactivity all game. If we lynch the active mafia, the others will get more active. Your plans are anti-town. They don't get the information flowing - they get you FoS'd and town distracted. Or they get you the blue roles if you are Godfather like last time. Well, you aren't Godfather this game because there was too much Day 1 suspicion on you. | ||
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On August 10 2010 15:09 Bill Murray wrote: so rolecheck me, problem solved Yeah, except you live another day which isn't too attractive to me at this point. ------------------- Back to town: Okay, so I was right at least about a connection between BrownBear, Foolishness and Bill Murray being there from Day 1. Let's say I was wrong about BrownBear being red and he is a tricked blue. Kinda explains why he got role blocked: he gave his role to Foolishness, who passed it to BM. Foolishness claims that at least five people in addition to BM, BB and himself already knew that BB was Mad Hatter. I have no way to evaluate that - comments? I imagine that was after he claimed the waxing, but Foolishness was the only one I recall talking hatter Day 1 so I assume he knew earlier. I mean, I certainly didn't get a blue read from BrownBear so that was one hell of a snipe if he isn't faking the wax. | ||
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On August 10 2010 15:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: Dude if you don't stop focusing on BM so fucking hard I'm going to fucking flip. BM POSTS A SHITTY PLAN NOBODY FOLLOWS. Makes him mafia?! He posts shitty plans all the time. Go look at PYP mafia 1. HE PICKED INVENTOR and F'd it ALL UP. -_- Seriously Pyrr, you are way to pig headed to look at someone else? This is fucking ridiculous. When Bill pops non mafia are you willing to serve yourself up for tomorrow? Because I guarantee if he pops blue/green/ninja, I'm going to vote for you EVERY DAY until you are lynched. Not because I support BM, no, BECAUSE YOU WONT LOOK AT A SINGLE PERSON OTHER THAN HIM AND FOOLISHNESS. I already gave my plan: If bill flips non-red, we don't go after people working in concert with him and we look at the other suspicious looking group of people working in concert. BM posted a scummy plan that at least Foolishness followed. I am not going to serve myself up - I have already explained that I fully understand that my suspicions on Foolishness share premises with my BM suspicions so there is no reason to irrationally go down my list if the most important part of it (BM) is wrong. Please calm down and realize that it is in no way bad play of me to point out that BM has previously posted a mass claiming plan Day 1 as Godfather. Every time scum does this, it catches someone. For the good of the metagame we should make it non-profitable for the scum to do this. It makes me sick that town would let Bill Murray post these hideously scummy plans just because he might be fucking around. But I haven't seen the evidence he posts mass claim plans as green/blue. I hear this inventor plan was bad. Was it all blues claim publically Day 1 bad? If BM does not turn out, it is not the end of the game. We still have lots of blue stuff going on. I have more info to post prior to night's end. Here's the thing: no one has come close to presenting a better target, imo. Youngminii, I have looked at. I will most likely go after him or someone connected to him, rather than Foolishness, if BM doesn't flip red. I dunno why my lack of wishy-washiness is some how evidence that I am bad. When I present a plan to town as town, I do it because I have looked through a ton of evidence. We have lots of people claiming to not read the thread. The idea that you would lock your vote on me for being a bad player while people are doing that... that seems much more pig headed to me. I just have something I feel is a logical case and I've yet to see a better one. | ||
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On August 10 2010 15:53 Divinek wrote: i hope you get hit by a chop stick tonight, or a vigi bullet, or bb put a bomb on you or something :D Fanning the flames for the sake of fanning the flames is not productive. I know BC does not agree with my at all on my suspect list; he is much more suspicious of those doing this sort of behavior. I hope I am right. | ||
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On August 11 2010 00:28 zeks wrote: 16. zeks - Zeks is mafia. possible mafia zeks, Misder, Larjarse niceeee thought I could get away with lurking but guess not. fine that you guys suspect me for not being active, i agree it is somewhat scummy to lurk tbh i've only skimmed through all these pages i have no idea wtf is going on, the LSB plan or w/e most of hte stuff is going on in PM land anyway and im not apart of it. until u guys start revealing bit by bit whats going on behind the scenes i dont want to be speculating nothing OpZ = Bill Murray 2.0? Xelin seems to know what he's doing i'll just sit back and watch the fireworks now lets make sure BM gets hung today Here's another lurking flame stoker. Take note in case we misstep. | ||
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On August 11 2010 03:28 Bill Murray wrote: pyrrhuloxia is climbin in your windows, he's snatchin' your people up Hide your kids, hide your wife and hide your husbands, cuz I rapin' everybody out here. | ||
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On August 11 2010 03:27 bumatlarge wrote: Its still early, and after alot of reading, Im feeling alot more then 5 people are saying Bm probably isnt red, so im going trust the general town line of thought. Also because alot of randomly inactive people started popping up. Hopefully young dying will lead us somewhere. Lol. Perhaps to figure out what the general town line of thought is... you should look at the vote count that BM is leading in? Following the crowd is stupid anyway. But posting saying you are going to follow the crowd while voting against the crowd to save Bill Murray, which is the second day in a row you've done this now, is scummy. | ||
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On August 11 2010 03:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: I knew we should have dealt with this on Day 1. Yep, I'm the Bed Intruder. Basically I'm a ninja except if I check someone they get notified about it and if I kill someone it gets broadcasted to the whole town because I am so stupid and leave fingerprints and all sorts of evidence. So they gon' find me. | ||
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On August 11 2010 06:24 BrownBear wrote: Unvoting BM, because as much as I want him dead we need to lynch smarter. I'm voting zeks to get him talking more. Plus, BM has a point - he does admit guilt somewhat in his post... He was fucking joking. Like when I said I was going to rape your husband and your wife. Do you have both of those? Do you even have one of those? They are perfectly safe. From me anyway. The idea that you and BM are gonna latch onto a joke and go with it is so awful. It's like when I tried to get OpZ lynched last game by saying his jokes about being mafia were so he could brag after the game and laugh in mafia irc. | ||
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On August 11 2010 08:51 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: wait so Pandain is lying and false claiming but somehow is a verifiable town? What the fuck is going on here? I dunno this so some shady shit. I can't see any way for him to verify himself to all the blues like he claims. I guess I'm just gonna give this lynch a try but if youngminii is innocent there is gonna be some law laid down. | ||
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Medic claims in thread, says he will protect X. Vigi doesn't claim, puts hit on X. If X survives the night, he reports on whether or not he got a protection. Bus driver protects the medic. So mafia would ruin this by putting a hit on X. Probably some other problems and if xelin is red we are probably screwed for blues anyway. But maybe someone can hack it into something useful. | ||
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On August 11 2010 11:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I was confused because a few pages back (60 something) you said you weren't involved in the circles and then you came out and said something to the effect of "why didn't you follow the points I PMd you" but i guess that makes sense. and i'm not positive but i think there are at least 2 circles. Rastaban claimed ninja to me very early Day 1. He now says he was mouthing for Pandain. | ||
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On August 11 2010 12:45 Chezinu wrote: If I don't make another video, will mafia kill me? or a ninja? Well I would say that I'll get you lynched tomorrow but town only follows my lynch instructions when I am mafia. When I am townie no one pays attention to anything I say. | ||
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On August 12 2010 02:52 bumatlarge wrote: xelins cicrle has been leaking? you mean like bb or more then that? I hope people in that circle are a little active posting ideas and speculating players. Id think xelin wouldnt let you get lynched. Pandain screwed this lynch not gonna lie. He should have kept his pm's straight up vanilla and keep in the background. with alot of blues around, town is gonna skim over you til late game when its hunting those background characters, and thats when you put your game face on. Learn a lesson from this pandain, because we need to step up our game in the future. I think inactives are really feeling safe in this game, so they dont talk. I propose we get those double lynches poppin and really start pressuring people who dont participate. Ofr instance, roffles. Posts twice. both posts with 0 info. you hate shitty fanfics? I hate shitty players. Dont care if you are busy, we are all busy. Dont play the game if you are jst going to do nothing. roffles is scum. I'm not busy. This game is my life right now -__- | ||
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He now says that he was just mouthing for Pandain. I heard from BC that Pandain supposedly checked BrownBear. So if Rastaban or Foolishness flips red, lynch the other one, especially if Foolishness were to flip godfather hiding as veteran. Other than that I don't know too much. It worries me that Xelin has been unable to figure anything out better than what I have on my own, but perhaps tonight actions will be coordinated to town's liking... | ||
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On August 12 2010 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: Well doesnt he have blue roles? We should be able to see from tonight if hes mafia. What? If the blues die? But how do we know it wasn't a leak, then? There have been at least 2 blues claim in thread. Besides, even if he's mafia they would probably wait and maybe even sac one of their own at this point since he could lead us around anywhere. He has claimed that he is confirmed to a lot of people... I guess they don't want to post anything in the thread because they are blue? But I keep saying that I see no possible way he can be confirmed to so many people or have so many people be confirmed to him and yet no one even tries to point out why I am wrong. | ||
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On August 12 2010 13:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: I told you to stop fucking putting distrust in the circle. I'm voting you now. Lol Vayesh finally convinces me on the circle and I return to the thread to see I'm getting voted for not trusting it. | ||
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On August 12 2010 13:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: I told you to stop fucking putting distrust in the circle. I'm voting you now. You forgot to vote for me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + They voted in the vote thread without any explanation, good catch let me find the votes... Misder - "##Vote youngminii god dang it. I did it again... I keep forgetting to vote after I say I vote..." Tree.hugger - "As promised in pm's. ##Vote: Youngminii His defense gets less and less compelling the more I look at it." ----------------------------------------- Original Message: what did you mean by this? "Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here?" Did anyone get any of these alleged PM's from tree.hugger about voting for youngminii over Bill Murray? | ||
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On August 12 2010 11:24 Foolishness wrote: You got it backwards, he wasn't pushing the youngminii lynch very hard, he was just going along with it. There's a big difference. Foolishness: Accurate here or way way suspiciously inaccurate? You decide. Tree.Hugger's posts about Bill Murray / Foolishness on Day 1: + Show Spoiler + First one: "Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly." I remember at the time thinking WTF does he mean? I still don't know what the fuck this means. I guess he was trying to link the two of us? I don't know. The rest of the post doesn't mention BM. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote: Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. I'm stupid for suggesting mafia Day 1... maybe. Or is town stupid for agreeing that we always lynch an innocent inactive day 1 and then doing that anyway? On August 07 2010 09:50 tree.hugger wrote: Woah woah woah, Pyrr, I know you were screwing people over last game because you were mafia, but if you start doing this again, you'll end up on the suspect list again. You've seriously figured out two mafia based on a handful of posts on Day 1? Bogus. We have no call for lynching BM with little more than your word today, even as bad as he might play. We have nothing on him. And now you're going after Foolishness because he called you out on your list? Not everyone who criticizes you is automatically mafia. Tree.Hugger has now made 5 posts in the thread. Three of these five speak out against lynching BM. They are increasingly more direct and desperate and Bill Murray's lynch continues to lead. I'm curious if any of you innocent players reading this were persuaded against me by some of these posts. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote: Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. That's right - don't go after BM. We have a much better chance at red by lynching love1another. Let's not use this thinking anymore. Reds have 5 teammates who will be able pm players and remind them to post. They are much less likely to be super inactive. On August 07 2010 10:22 tree.hugger wrote: I don't really think so, unless a mafia is really under threat, and the mafia thinks it can save that person without exposing themselves, (or if the person is one of the special roles, I guess) then they're likely to stay quiet and see if other people defend them first. I do see his post as poor reasoning, but not a scumtell by any stretch. See you keep thinking that BM was under serious pressure at that point, but the game had barely started. I could imagine someone pulling that when they're under the gun, but BM had three votes, a day ago, and the day hasn't even finished. I don't think we're nearly enough into the game to be saying things like that. The person who has the most votes after a few hours never gets lynched. I think BM is defending himself, but not to the point of desperation that you suggest. I just don't see the scumtells that you see. Tree.hugger has now used FOUR OF HIS SIX POSTS (including a double post) to DEFEND BILL MURRAY. All you fuckers have been putting me down for tunneling on Bill Murray. I'm not sure MY ratio of BM to non-BM posts was this high at this point in the game! You'll notice, by the way, that this is the chainsaw defense I accused Foolishness of - Tree.Hugger is somehow, this early on day 1, willing to insult the fuck out of me for trying to catch a red. Youngminii has yet to be mentioned. Foolishness saw no defense of Bill Murray in Tree.Hugger's posting, even though Tree.Hugger consistently defended BM on Days 1 and 2. No, it is much more likely to Foolishness that Tree.Hugger would try to save Bill Murray by helping boost a bandwagon on his own teammate, Youngminii, on day 2. (A bandwagon I think Foolishness started?) Also, Misder and Tree.Hugger put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 2. Misder and Foolishness put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 3. Hmm. Coincidence? Ya, maybe. Coincidence that Foolishness read all of Tree.Hugger's posts and didn't see that he was defending Bill Murray and pushing very hard for Youngminii's death? No way in hell. I love how Tree.Hugger goes out on a limb to suggest that the mafia aren't panicked. Why the hell would a mafia go out on a limb to help town out on something like this rather than hanging back a bit and letting town mistakenly take down a supposedly good player [this said, I think it would be a good strategy as mafia to keep an innocent BM alive as long as possible just because he constantly fucks the town up --- that said, he's kinda been scarce lately. Supposedly he's doing stuff behind the scenes. I know he's still scouting for blue info in PMs because he tried to get some from me.]. On August 08 2010 02:09 tree.hugger wrote: What a wonderfully ironic comment... But you're somewhat right, at least. Pyrr and BM are in full red scare mode, accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being mafia. That's not the way to play the game. Honestly, I don't see what either of you see in each other, you look like the usual cast of angry green players. The last couple pages are basically unreadable because of you two. Calm down and post constructively. The most pressing matter at the moment, isn't these plans, which we still have time to hash out at night, but it's our lynch today. I think love1another has 7 votes, to BM's 5, which is good, but I think there are still people left to vote, so it could swing. I don't think it should, because I think BM really doesn't have anything to recommend him as mafia here, and neither does love1another, really, but at least BM's been posting. However you view that posting, discussion is better than no discussion. I actually avoided this thread this morning, because I thought there might be SPL spoilers because of the neutral way were deciding the lynch. But apparently we're not doing that. Anyway my vote is still on Artanis[xp] who, I might add, has also been spectacularly unhelpful! Tree.Hugger notes that the vote between love1another and BM is too close for comfort, ends up changing his vote onto love1another to rectify this situation. On August 08 2010 12:39 tree.hugger wrote: You two are suddenly working together? Wait, what? And I've never been in a game where we got red with the first kill. There's a ton of factors that make it really difficult to pull off, but mainly it's just that we don't have good evidence on anyone. And that's no matter what you know, or (more likely) think you know about Foolishness or anyone else. We'll have more evidence after tonight, I guess. I don't think Foolishness is mafia, and I don't think you've proved it in any way. Tree.Hugger's posts on Bill Murray / Youngminii Day 2 + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 11:23 tree.hugger wrote: About the day post: This is positive. There's a missing kill there (Foolishness(?)), and a wandering townie died, which is actually somewhat fortunate. All blue roles intact, and the plan intact too. Mafia probably killed LSB because he was being really effective. Problem is, mafia suck at killing blues. If nobody screws up in pm land, (hello last game) we're set. But about this hit, I'm positive Foolishness is telling the truth. He always gets hit night one, but flamewheel probably took pity or something, and made him a vet. Or a medic saved him, but that means our plan is screwed, and we wasted a day on this. tree.hugger is the first poster to believe Foolishness's veteran claim. He says either he is vet or medic saved him (which couldn't be true since that was against the plan). NO MENTION OF THE FUCKING ULTRALISK IN THE ROOM: HE COULD BE GODFATHER. Or that mafia could stack kills. If Foolishness is innocent, and tree.hugger knows this, you'd think the mafia would want to cast some doubt, or at least not be first on the scene to try to get people to believe he's confirmed innocent. So what happens next? Nobody challenges tree.hugger on this. Not even me, though I had one post earlier mentioned the GF possibility. On August 09 2010 11:49 tree.hugger wrote: Wait. Are you an idiot? You just claimed a blue role like that? Tree.Hugger immediately jumps to the blue conclusion. A few posts later I mention that greens and ninjas can be waxed. Tree.Hugger responds to mention he didn't realize this (The framer doesn't know what the roleblocker can do? Lol. But given Pandain's fuck up, totally possible. On August 09 2010 12:28 tree.hugger wrote: ^ Accidental double quote/post. If neither of these are counter-claimed, it seems like we've got two pretty-confirmed townies? I mean, it makes no sense for the mafia to stack on either chaoser or LSB, let alone in the first night. And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress? But, as always, there'll be a counter-claim. Tree.Hugger realizes that the town is missing an important opportunity. See, the thread is clogged with people worried about how the LSB plan went last night and no one is noticing the huge opportunity town has to confirm two townies! The only thing that could possibly go wrong is that the mafia could counter claim. Which, of course, never happened. Which, of course, tree.hugger would have known would never come. [Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong on this, circle peeps.] Why the fuck would a mafia (one of the few unsuspected ones if I am at all correct) push a plan that the town is ignoring to confirm two people that the mafia knows are innocent? This is the same tree.hugger that started out being all negative on the pandain plan and was extremely leery of the LSB plan. But Foolishness and BrownBear are confirmed townies if no one counter-claims. " And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress?" Tree.Hugger would know that roleblocker can refrain from sending a roleblock. If Tree.Hugger's reason for this post was to just look more pro-town... why wouldn't he just cautiously follow Xelin? Why would he try to be the catalyst for a wholly new plan centered around confirming Foolishness and BrownBear? Why wouldn't he be helpful by pointing out the roleblocker could refrain from sending a roleblock, thereby casting a bit of doubt on town's planning? Hesmyrr did point some of these problems out at the time. Also, lol Misder: On August 09 2010 12:40 Misder wrote: I think that Foolishness is innocent. We have been sending PMs to each other, and I have been trying to help him get information about some people, which I can't say who. If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members. I also want to make a public apology to Foolishness for not doing what he told me on time. I have been stuck in class the entire day, and cannot post or pm during that time. I'm actually sneaking out to right this. I really have to go. Also, when I read that LSB is suspicious of me being mafia, I cannot click the link; it makes a 404 error. If anyone can point me to that post, I would be happy to answer why I posted the way I did. Gotta love newbies and their "they are innocent because they are PMing me thinking". Funny that Rastaban, who faked claimed Ninja, and lied to say that he checked Foolishness and got back veteran, and who also said he has been PMing with Foolishness, and who has voted with Foolishness each day to save Bill Murray, would immediately jump to supporting the plan of confirming Foolishness as veteran and using busses to protect him. On August 09 2010 12:57 rastaban wrote: Well it looks like we lucked out to a degree on our night kills. Also we now look at having the vigilante claim so we can bus him. If we follow this plan then we can look at having a confirmed townie and possibly roleclaiming to him. And what do you know... Rastaban is today's claimer of the role blocking. Poor roleblocker may never get to block anyone .On August 10 2010 01:20 tree.hugger wrote: Whew. That was a workout. People have a habit of reading a ton of pages and criticizing everyone below them for spam, but actually there's some interesting stuff. There's this YM, Foolishness debate going on, and meanwhile we have votes sitting on Bill Murray? A ton of people have listed Foolishness as one of their most suspicious players, so why not vote for him? That's strange. About YM. I'm convinced on Foolishness, and for the most part, I buy his argument on youngminii. He played the first day really oddly, and I can see IRL issues, but then the second day he's played it differently as well. I dunno, more angry. Remember what I told you last game? Cool your jets. Going to hold off on a vote for him at the moment, just on principle, really, but I think he's far and away our best candidate. Although we keep allowing Artanis[xp] to get away with posting nothing. Thankfully there's no suicide bomber this game, so it shouldn't hurt us too much to leave him alone... for the moment. Might be a ninja? So much for candidates at the moment. There was a thing I wanted to address... I think we're forgetting about this. Someone took a hit last night, AND someone was roleblocked. And we have no competing claims on either. Now, is it *possible* that the mafia would stack kills on chaoser or LSB to "confirm" Foolishness? I guess, but it's pretty silly, knowing that the medics were not supposed to protect any of them, and why would they protect either of those players anyway? But the mafia not roleblocking to confirm someone? The mafia not roleblocking on Day 1 with a devastating town plan in action? That seems really unlikely. I think we should try to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness tonight. If we can do that, then it doesn't matter how LSB's plan didn't work out, because we've got confirmed townies. We had this situation last game, and we didn't do anything with it. Let's not make this mistake again, yes? First post from Tree.Hugger weighing in on the lynch. Incredulous that people could possibly suspect the immaculate Bill Murray. Anything bad about him is branded as spam. Buys Foolishness line on YM and pushes to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness [I don't see how this can be done for Foolishness if GF. BrownBear has perhaps been confirmed, but I'm not in circle so whatever. Circle can correct me if anything is wrong and I'm not going to vote for someone the circle says is off limits until some good evidence comes that it's infiltrated because I'm getting increasingly more reasons to trust it.] On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote: The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is [not] mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. Yep, sure looks like youngminii must be mafia if tree.hugger is trying so hard to save him. On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. AND THAT IS EXACTLY HOW MAFIA PLAN TO GET BACK IN THIS GAME. [also makes me less suspicious of bumatlarge. I hope someone in the circle sees this and it clicks with some info they have] On August 10 2010 03:36 tree.hugger wrote: All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after. Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming? Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him. Youngminii attacked people that attacked him. He wasn't defending anyone but himself. That's not a chainsaw defense. Tree.Hugger and Foolishness putting down players that suspect Bill Murray is a chainsaw defense. Notice they both consider me innocent because they know I am. I don't know how I have not died at night except to say that BM knows I am not in the circle and that is probably a more pressing concern. Not to mention no one believes me . But here is more eerie proof for town to ignore. It makes me feel better that one of my most hurtful critics flipped red and thought it was important to use many of his posts to try to marginalize me.How could Foolishness possibly think that someone who accuses youngminii of chainsaw defense is just passively following along to youngminii's lynch? On August 10 2010 12:58 tree.hugger wrote: This thread is like that game "Red Light/Green Light". When I'm on and following it, nothing gets posted. When I leave, it explodes. Here's the thing about youngminii and BM. They both give us a lot of information. But there's a difference between bad posting (BM) and suspicious posting (youngminii). The town always ends up lynching people who have posted dumb ideas, or clumsily explained themselves. These people are never red. The key is to find people who are posting oddly, like youngminii has been. If you look at his posts, and compare them to the games he's been playing as town, then you see an obvious difference. He's resumed his level of activity, and I grant that activity over one day never says a lot, but since he's resumed posting, he's still not really played like he has in the past. His posts have been full of the vitriol and energy as normal, but it's like he's purposely lost his confidence in picking out mafia, and is suddenly playing like a child. He's just hitting back for no reason. I fought bitterly (and wrongly, I feel obliged to add) against him last game, but even throughout, he maintained that I was a townie. But this kind of defending where he FoS's his accuser? It's much more suspicious. Meanwhile, BM has been posting mostly content-less post, including cat image macros, and bad plans early. But, knowing BM's style, this isn't particularly surprising. BM has done nothing else to look suspicious, only defended himself from Pyrr's ham-handed attacks. I see just another classic townie v. townie fight. He's not mafia. Let's not make the same mistakes again. Apparently little tree.hugger is pissed off that when he's not filling the thread with pro-BM propaganda, my truth gets through to the townspeople. More than every other post from tree.hugger is bashing on my ideas with no good reasons behind it other than "BM is always plays anti-town so we should assume he is always pro-town" the same line of crap Foolishness has been throwing all game. On August 10 2010 13:00 tree.hugger wrote: Wait he claimed MH? I just posted defending you, and then you do stupid things like roleclaiming for other people in the thread? Bro, chill out, and start being productive so I don't look like an idiot. So now it is leaked that brownbear is madhatter. Trackers can check this so I guess circle can handle it. On August 10 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Wait, actually I'm not sure. Care to explain more? I don't follow. I will admit I am more suspicious of Foolishness than BM at this point. Not sure what to make of this. Why would Tree.Hugger ask for clarification here if there wasn't at least one of them that was mafia? On August 10 2010 13:35 Hesmyrr wrote: This is all WIFOM. BrownBear and Foolishness are in contact with each other. Foolishness is also in separate contact with Bill Murray. If Foolishness is mafia, then he can kill BB with impunity, but BB might have taken insurance by telling someone about contact between them. So by telling Bill Murray, he buys an way out because he was under big pressure yesterday- and knowing his play tendency might have expected him to reveal it. The fact supporting this argument is that I see no reason for Foolishness to tell Bill Murray BB's role. Of course I think other way is more probable, that Bill Murray is scum and he is taking advantage of Foolishness's mistake by revealing the fact that he came to knew BB's identity due to Foolishness. Knowing how Foolishness defended him, it would not be very hard to push for his lynch if BM flips red. Fact supporting this is I see no reason why Bill Murray would reveal he know BB's role- I honestly do not believe Bill thought revealing someone else's role was going to save him. At least one of the two has to be mafia. Stop ignoring this, town. On August 10 2010 13:47 tree.hugger wrote: Yeah this is useless, honestly. It's a gut call whichever is more likely, and of course, they could both be town, and BM could just be reckless. Bedtime. Expecting this thread to somehow be another twenty pages when I return because Chezinu claimed Morgan Freeman or something. Please respond to my pm's. Thank you. Who has he been PMing? On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. More BM defense and marginalization of me. If I am such a loose cannon going after a boat load of innocents, why marginalize me so much? The fact is, I bet BM and Foolishness are on the same team and have been working together since Day 1. All of the fights between them are a bunch of smoke kicked up because I pegged their asses on Day 1 and they knew they had to create some sort of diversion and some sort of fake conflict between them. (And the conflict over BB's role is totally fake BS - at least Foolishness's account of it. More on that later when I share my PMs with him. Also note that the two people that have been scoping for blues through PMs are Bill Murray (he admits this) and Foolishness (see the PMs from LSB I posted after LSB died)). Also, town, if you think I'm so crazy and such a bad player... LSB suspected Foolishness just as much as me. And he's been our best player so far - just ask tree.hugger. On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Foolishness is confirmed blue. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Brown Bear is confirmed blue. It's okay for Bill Murray as well. And not at all bad for Foolishness to have told Bill Murray. But not for me to out a blue? I have no idea what he's talking about here, either. I thought maybe it was me mentioning Pandain's "fake" ninja claim but I think that comes later. Xelin later told town anyway so I don't think it was the wrong decision. The inconsistencies here and who they favor should be obvious, though. On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play. If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that? We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names. INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time. And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them. Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. More reason I trust Xelin. Notice he wants us to think the mafia were trying to save Bill Murray even though that makes no fucking sense and it should be obvious by now that WHEN TWO DAYS IN A ROW, FOOLISHNESS, BILL MURRAY, TREE.HUGGER, AND RASTABAN all bandwagon onto someone to save Bill Murray the mafia is not gonna be all stacked on him. Notice the MAFIA who just earlier the same day was saying WE SHOULD TRUST FOOLISHNESS AND BROWN BEAR AS CONFIRMED AS LONG AS THERE IS NO MAFIA COUNTERCLAIM, and that WE SHOULDN'T WAIT FOR 100% CONFIRMATION BECAUSE WE COULD NEVER DO ANYTHING AS A TOWN OTHERWISE, is now saying FUCK XELIN HE'S SKETCH. I'll admit I doubted Xelin at this point, but I never said we should be trusting someone else 100%, and I never said we should trust easily since otherwise we'll never get anything done. And, I told Xelin I'd follow him for at least a lynch or two since the potential benefit was huge and his suspicions on Pandain matched up with things I'd heard about in PMs. Maybe tree.hugger was being truthful about the mafia not freaking out over me pressuring Bill Murray Day 1. They are freaking the fuck out now, though, I guarantee it. Really good luck on our part with Xelin, plus a good plan and outstanding leadership and initative from LSB. On August 12 2010 02:18 tree.hugger wrote: Alright look. Bum's right, I got a little annoyed. But after the OSL this morning, I'm feeling better. I had already heard several of the claims that Pandain had made. It seemed to me that a ninja and a mafia player could be expected to play similarly, because they both had something to hide. But I couldn't fathom a reason why anyone would falsely claim ninja. If a mafia member claimed ninja, they'd be taking a big risk that word of their role wouldn't leak. Maybe that role would confirm the player to the town, but with other ninja's in the game who's sole obvjective is to kill other ninjas, this would be a terrible claim to make. Why on earth would the mafia risk dying to a third party? At the same time, a blue role claiming ninja would be phenomenally dumb. Risking, your death to infiltrate a circle that you're already aligned to? Therefore, I felt strongly that Pandain must be the role he initially presented himself as, because only a ninja would actually claim ninja, and then attempt to muddy the waters with other claims. There's no benefit for a townie, and there's too much risk for the mafia. That said, no matter how much evidence we had against Pandain, then the lynch was still a bad idea, because it took a potentially touchy situation (a split vote) for the mafia, and gave the mafia a third option that would relieve them of any suspicion, and save one of their own. I'm pretty sure that youngminii is mafia, and I'd love to vote to test it out. Most people in the thread seemed convinced of either this, or BM's guilt. If we find a mafia between these two, then we've got a fantastic trove of evidence to pick from. But now, we're going to have to do it all again. And furthermore, to answer your question about whatever town circle is operating, I have people I trust for reasons that are my own. I have not had any of these people divulge anything sensitive we've discussed publicly, meanwhile, I can count several leeks in the the thread from XeliN's circle. I'm expecting tonights deaths to really really suck, because someone in your circle told someone else, and that person told someone else, and if the mafia is playing this game at all, they've probably heard everything. The anti-youngminii push is so obvious here. There's no way Tree.Hugger was expecting to die so soon and have his role revealed. I bet he spent the whole game worried hed be the only mafia left on Day 3. Hardly anyone seriously called him out until this post by OpZ, which immediately made tree.hugger change his demeanor (how did I not call him out earlier for his defenses of BM and Foolishness? If I had just called him out earlier you'd all be loving me now.) Again, this post makes me more suspicious of Foolishness than BM. Still worried about both, though. tl;dr Mr. Resetti continues tunneling, undaunted. He continues to articulate his unmasking of mafias uno y dos: Foolishness and Bill Murray He also continues to articulate his suspicion of mafia numero tres: BrownBear His list has been appended with two newcomers, who could possibly have originally been innocent but are surely now controlled for evil by Foolishness: Rastaban Misder Maybes: bumatlarge KF91 SouthRawrea Mr. Resetti has also pledged his allegiance to the exalted Xelin or Xelin. The exalted one should be able to determine whether or not the tunneler is digging toward gold or fool's gold. Bonus: Vote Analysis: Day 2 + Show Spoiler + End of Day 2: Votes for youngminii (5) Foolishness rastaban tree.hugger KF91 Bill Murray I swear to the Lord that I completed everything above this part of the post before I even checked to see this final total. Lawl. Lol on KF91, what's he done all game? Probably super inactive and didn't see the Pandain stuff. Second to last official count on Day 2: Votes for Bill Murray (10) Pyrrhuloxia Hesmyrr Roffles KF91 Artanis[Xp] larjarse zeks bumatlarge BrownBear Jayme Votes for youngminii (8) Foolishness rastaban Bill Murray Divinek Misder tree.hugger DarthThienAn ~OpZ~ Foolishness, rastaban, and Bill Murray form the start of the YM bandwagon. Tree.hugger is on it. So is Misder. Tree.hugger literally posts saying he is following a PM from some unnamed person - this is his stated reason for changing from Artanis to Youngminii. Rastaban and Misder have both openly admitted choosing their votes based on PMs from Foolishness. Roffles unvotes from BM and votes BC as a joke. It is now 9-8, with BM on the lynch. Bumatlarge switches to BM (fos here) KF91 switches to BM (potential fos) Notice BrownBear is on Bill Murray after the fake fight involving his role being revealed. Bill Murray posts in the thread saying BrownBear's vote was childish and emotional. BrownBear goes of Bill Murray and onto Zeks. Then the Xelin stuff begins. The count is 8 for BM and 5 for Youngminii when tree.hugger votes youngminii. Day 1 + Show Spoiler + OpZ and SouthRawrea vote Bill Murray. Bill Murray does his real fake joking serious vote on Divinek. He is followed by bumatlarge and rastaban. This puts Bill Murray out of lynch position. Votes for Bill Murray (4) SouthRawrea larjarse Pyrrhuloxia DarthThienAn Votes for love1another (4) rastaban chaoser KF91 Hesmyrr Rastaban moves from divinek and on my prodding goes to Bill Murray. He says he buys my arguments on Bill Murray. He quickly bails to love1another, though. love1another votes BM to save himself. South Rawrea switches to put Bill Murray out of lynch position again. Bill Murray moves to love1another and votes double lynch. From here it gets more spread out and tree.hugger ends up on Artanis. BrownBear on laaan. bumatlarge on divinek. Final count is 10-6. | ||
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On August 12 2010 10:56 Foolishness wrote: Mafia: youngminii: activity is vastly different from when he's been town aligned the past two games. Slipped up when accused. infundibulum: Passive play compared to his norm. Also seems to show up at very convenient times, and defended himself from my post even though there was no pressure on him (and thus he could've just ignored me and moved on). Wishywashy in attitude. Maybe mafia: bumatlarge: Really bad posts. Has connection to pyrry which is strange. Artanis[XP]: Typical inactive mafia. Hesmyrr: bad posts and very wishywashy. Weird impression overall. People to look out for in the future: Chezinu: I know he claimed tracker but so have 3 other players. And he fits in with youngminii. Still hard to say though. Pyrry: Nobody cold be this bad as town. Youngminii: he's less active this game. That's not a mafia tell. Other than posting less, he is as abrasive as ever. He did not "slip up when accused." It's called sarcasm. You're not Romanian. You're not SouthRawrea freaking out that I claimed Ninja Veteran Bus Driver from a Planet Near Mars. You've got no excuse for blowing this out of proportion. Bill Murray doesn't either. infundibulum: Potentially supsicious. He is usually passive when blue, but circle could confirm this. He was more active last game as town, or at least people made more jokes about his name. He is wishywashy so if Foolishness is by some miracle not red, we can look at him I guess. I went through all of his posts. He is laying low. Nothing he said struck me as red - if we've not been close to lynching anyone red, he's probably red. If he hasn't been giving inactivity excuses (lol I already don't remember even tho I read all his posts) than that's another negative since I think he was more active last game. bumatlarge: Potentially suspicious. Looks like bussing to me because Foolishness is trying to link him to me and has him in the first spot off of his red ink list. Consistently votes around with BM. He did post to say there was some good sense in my posts about BM and foolishness but did not have the sense to avoid using his vote to save BM. Artanis: Tree.Hugger voted for him. I don't think this was bussing. I think he's alright. If he was a typical inactive mafia, he wouldn't be the one player out of the many silent ones that tree.hugger would call out for inactivty numerous times. I have heard he was checked out. It adds up to me that he is innocent. Hesmyrr: I fos'd him earlier, but it seems he called BS on tree.huggers attempts to establish Foolishness and BrownBear as confirmed townies. He is wishy washy. Chezinu: circle can deal with him. Pyrrhuloxia: Not sure how Foolishness can say I am so bad as town when no one on my big list of four has flipped and we overlap on Hesmyrr (I'm not big on Hesmyrr anymore though lol). Especially when Foolishness's defense of BM amounts to "he's not suspicious he's just crazy." All the best posts defending Bill Murray were posts by Tree.Hugger - everyone else just posted some variation of "Bill Murray always plays anti-town; ignore him." | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + im asking if you know any persons roles im not asking you to tell me anything do you know anyones role? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: if xelin knows you are confirmed innocent and won't tell you roles... you probably shouldn't hear them from me. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE BLURTED A BLUE IN THE THREAD. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: do you know anyone's roles besides your own? i'm not asking you to tell me the role, but if you know of one, tell me who ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I dunno man, maybe because the one confirmed mafia spent most of his posts defending you? I am more convinced on Foolishness now than you, so you can rejoice in that. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: why would you keep tunneling on me? im not mafia | ||
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On August 12 2010 11:21 Foolishness wrote: I'd like to mention in PM convo I had with tree hugger he was very willing to lynch youngminii. Which is saying something since hardly anyone believes me so far. Please, all townies scroll back to the post I made with two spoilers worth of evidence going over Tree.Hugger's posts. If you do, it will become clear that Foolishness's post here is an outright lie and that Tree.Hugger pushed hard to not only lynch Youngminii, but also to get his Godfather, Foolishness, confirmed as a veteran. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1) I had to gain his support. He wanted information and I had to give him something since he thought I was suspicious. Yeah I realize that didn't work out great since he still wants to kill me. But I had to try, because I figured if I could get a few more people on my side I might have a chance to win this game for the town. 2) I think BM is blue. He's mentioned needing to claim, I don't think he's lying about that. I told him that if he's blue he needs to claim soon. Doesn't seem like he will though. 3) The blue roles are getting passed around faster than a village bicycle. The circles have been slowly leaking upon each other. Outside of me and BM, I can name 5 people that knew BrownBear was a hatter. There's probably more since I don't know the exact sizes of the other circles. 4) I never thought BM would do something stupid like post it in the thread. Yeah that's my bad there. He did it though because he's pissed off I bet. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What did you have to gain from giving this to Bill Murray, though? Weren't you worried he might make things worse for town with blue info? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What did I have to lose? I'm trying to get as many people as I can to believe me. I'm a bit desperate given everybody believes you minus 4 or 5 people. Why would he post it in the thread if we were on the same team? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So, let's say, hypothetically, you aren't on his scum team. Why'd you give him BrownBear's role? Foolishness: "I'm a bit desperate given everybody believes you minus 4 or 5 people." Rational Thought: Only 11/28 people are voting for Bill Murray or Foolishness right now. You claim to not be on a team with Bill Murray, so you only really have to worry about the two people voting on you. And you are already desperate enough to start tossing blue roles around? And since when is this a good idea when desperate. If you are a pro-town role, why would you spread blues around rather than keep them secret? Especially when you worry later in our conversation about town circles spreading blues around. Foolishness: "What did I have to lose?" Rational Thought: what did you have to gain by handing over a blue to Bill Murray? You previously called this ridiculous, because you know it is. Out of all the people suspicious of you, you choose to hand over a blue to someone you've (falsely, I'd say) FoS'd in the thread. Foolishness: "Yeah I realize that didn't work out great since he still wants to kill me." Rational Thought: He's never voted for you. He's barely suspicious of you. If you thought you could trade a blue for innocence (which is a scummy move) to appear less scummy, why would you trade it to someone who's not even voting for you. Shouldn't you be more worried about "what if he's flips red and I'm not red... how will I convince everyone not to follow Pyrr in lynching me next?!". That would make sense. But trying to get Bill Murray's support when he has the most votes and will surely die before he can help you makes no sense. Foolishness: "The blue roles are getting passed around faster than a village bicycle." Rational Thought: Undoubtedly, because the mafia smartly killed LSB so people could immediately ignore the plan. I dunno what Xelin did to the plan but this isn't it. But you contributed to this - you gave the role to Bill Murray because... that would help stop this worrisome spreading of roles? UPDATE: I wrote this last night. Looking over it again, I notice that Foolishness says he thinks BM is blue. BM claims to be confirmed by the circle. I don't know if this is true. BM claimed green to me. I don't know how BM could be confirmed if green. BM might be lying about that. Also looks like Foolishness has been trying to manipulate noobs and create a circle based on the claims by Tree.Hugger that he could be trusted. He's also trying to undermine Xelin's circle, here. In my thoughts last night I did not trust Xelin but I am feeling much better about it now. | ||
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Maybe this adds up. It could explain why tree.hugger got pissed off or at least did one hell of a double take when Hesmyrr argued that BM flipping green means Foolishness is red. And also why Tree.Hugger sort of freaked out when I offered to help Bill Murray lynch Foolishness. I was joking but Tree.Hugger didn't know this of course. Could be part of conflicts manufactured to differentiate the two of them after I linked them but that is a more complicated and less likely explanation. Anyway I don't think BM would claim he is cleared by Xelin unless he was since I'm sure Xelin would eff him up when he returned. | ||
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On August 14 2010 12:07 Ace wrote: Oh I guess so then. So a DT could just check him in a future night. But I'd still like to hear the plan that got him confirmed. Also is there any other relevant information I need to know detailing bumatlarge, like who else pushed for his lynch? Also how did Divinek become confirmed townie? Was it confirmed via his death or before that? I have no idea how Xelin is confirmed. I think he's okay at this point but it makes no sense to me. VayeshMoru (BC smurfing) told me that three people who are not confirmed innocent included infundibulum, bumatlarge, and southrawrea. I looked through their posts and bumatlarge seemed the scummiest to me, followed by southrawrea. BC voted bumatlarge first and I was second. I continue to think that this means Foolishness is GF hiding as veteran since both bumatlarge and treehugger pushed for town to accept Foolishness as confirmed just because no one counter claimed veteran when Foolishness said he took a hit. | ||
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On August 14 2010 11:33 Chezinu wrote: Who needs proof? Don't people around here have any faith? It must be Xelin in the hatch. | ||
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On August 17 2010 01:32 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Yea...I was going to point out that pyrr hasn't posted in a while. I'm still wondering where the people you asked him to analyze were going to show up in thread... You may have missed this post Pyrr, so plz be forthcoming. Sorry, didn't see this. BC had me look at bumatlarge, southrawrea, and infundibulum. Bumatlarge looked scummiest and did a lot of cooperation with tree.hugger so we voted for him. SouthRawrea also looked suspicious, but also seemed to be acting a bit independently/contrary of the known mafias. Misder looked more suspicious. Infundibulum couldn't be distinguished from a bored/distracted townie in my eyes. The attempts by Tree.Hugger and Bumatlarge to vouch for the innocence of brownbear and foolishness make me suspect at least one of them must be mafia. Veteran seems easier to fake so my vote is on Foolishness. | ||
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On August 17 2010 06:23 Foolishness wrote: So let me get this straight...Misder was tracked by a confirm tracker (who we know is confirmed because he took a hit last night and was saved by a medic) and the tracker saw that Misder visited Ace, who's now dead. Furthermore, Misder was inspected by a ninja (who's pretty much confirmed based on his night hit) and the ninja got the response back of Mafia. Yet you still vote for me? Uh I'm voting for you and Misder as far as I know. | ||
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On August 17 2010 10:37 Chezinu wrote: Don't you know how many ninjas and trackers there are this game? I think 3 ninjas. I dunno about trackers. | ||
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We'll see if ~OpZ~ changes his tune after tonights actions finish up. I imagine he's confirmed so I'm not going to FoS him but whatevs. I get that you seem to buy everyone's blue claim but you're nuts if you don't think the mafia have made at least one. So if the list of unconfirmed people is down to infundibulum and I and there are three mafia left... well you have 2 confirmed innocents who are actually mafia. So then we need to look into: Is Foolishness GF posing as veteran? Is BrownBear GF posing as hatter? Has he only been checked by tracking? If yes, perhaps he is roleblocker. Is KF91 really a hatter? If he doesn't trust Xelin at this point we might as well lynch him. | ||
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I suck at town. | ||
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We need Ver's town guide. | ||
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