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I'm not used to being active early game, so lets try this out. From my last two games, it seemed like we always tried to vote for inactives, except for the XXIII where town voted for a one liner mistake. We shouldn't do that. Because just because you make one mistake early doesn't mean you are mafia, just more likely. We should always be suspicious, but not impulsive. And the other game was where we had to vote for a mayor and a pardoner, so people had to talk. As for strategies in the beginning... no idea. I'm still learning, (I still haven't done what you told me to do BC sorry!) | ||
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On August 06 2010 13:32 bumatlarge wrote: What are you even saying? Be sure to post a little bit more, because there isnt much substance here. xD I'm sorry! I'll try to post better, but for me, it's hard to post in the beginning of the game... Vote count is: (3) Bill Murray (1) Divinek (1) Misder (1) Chezinu (1) Youngminii This leaves my suspicions on BM. If everyone randomized, BM would be more likely to get a higher vote count (due to already having 2 votes on him). I'm not voting yet though; don't want to be impulsive... | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:49 chaoser wrote: From where I'm looking at it right now, there's actually very little risk. Vigi pops someone night one Vigi claims. There is going to be a counterclaim We lynch one of them, if we lynch real vigi, then the other claimer is mafia If we lynch mafia, then it's 90% sure that the other claimer is vigi unless if two mafia claim/counterclaim, but then the REAL vigi would claim too. And so either way mafia need to come out of the woodworks to fuck the plan up.and they end up exposed. Doesn't this still raise the risk of Vigi hitting a blue role though? I thought that was the reason that Vigi doesn't hit as soon as possible. | ||
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On August 07 2010 11:44 Roffles wrote: Honestly, I don't give a fuck what goes on Day 1. Just a bunch of nonsense garbage spewed out by everyone who's got no clue what anyone is. That being said, I don't see why BM doesn't understand why his plan won't work. In all of the confusion of the plan (that might just be me though...), we shouldn't miss these posts. Roffles just stated that the plan that is very probable of getting a mafia name is not important. This may mean that Roffles is trying to frame this plan as "nonsense garbage", meaning we shouldn't continue with the plan. More scummy than town. And this post is one of two posts he posted. Granted, he did state that he doesn't want to post too much, but still... I'm going to vote roffles. He doesn't even seem like to he's reading the thread. Either he is townie and just doesn't post (which is unlikely as he is more of a veteran mafia player), a blue (also unlikely because he would actually pay attention to the plan), a ninja (likely, cause he has no point in helping), or mafia (which may be likely because he doesn't want to post). Town makes a good lynch if he is ninja, or if he is mafia. | ||
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Also, when I read that LSB is suspicious of me being mafia, I cannot click the link; it makes a 404 error. If anyone can point me to that post, I would be happy to answer why I posted the way I did. | ||
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About that link where Divinek said that he was going to vote for me, but forgot and voted for Pandain instead, this does not legitamize anything. Divinek just forgot that I was in the game, and he has a grudge on me from the last game. | ||
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On August 10 2010 23:46 bumatlarge wrote: So if foolishness and pyrr are town im going to throw a list out, make of it what you will. Youngminii Larjarse Jayme Hesmyrr (he just rcently said we cant trust town pcircles after BM publicly said BB was MH... fishy to me) Misder last slot I think would be a decen poster as GF, maybe treehugger, amber and I wouldnt put it past pyrr or foolishness to orchestrate something like this, but Id worry about them last. Wait, why would Foolishness being town lead to me being mafia? This just seems like a random list. Just saying. Larjarse also looks very scummy. I will probably do an analysis on him in the future. Also, I am going to switch my vote to Pandain. Last game, when people lied, the entire town was all messed up. We could not lynch any mafia members because everyone was lying. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 06 2010 08:59 larjarse wrote: I'm scared. spam On August 06 2010 09:41 larjarse wrote: Also voting BrownBear cuz' I feel like. more spam so he voted for BC before this? for no reason? the reason to vote BC was after he voted for him On August 06 2010 14:44 larjarse wrote: BTW this leaves BillMurray and divinek tied at 3 votes each. Stating the two choices that we could have seen by looking at the voting thread. On August 06 2010 14:57 larjarse wrote: I would say BillMurray's concern about not being randomly voted to be killed justifies that he probably isn't a Townie. Implying that BC is either blue or red. On August 06 2010 15:04 larjarse wrote: Can you stop talking about previous games? It kind of ruins the fun. Looking at previous games are the way to figure out behavior problems. This statement is completely against what the town should be doing. Very mafia like. On August 07 2010 01:50 larjarse wrote: LOLing that noone said anything about this. And once he proclaimed that he is a townie, he was voted by rastaban and chaoser. Suspiciousssoo This post seems like its saying that it is suspicious that rastaban and chaoser voted for a 'townie'. This shows that larjarse just assumes or purposely assumes that, love1another is a townie. Another mafia like post. On August 07 2010 01:54 larjarse wrote: TBH rastaban is also looking quite suspicious. He is trying to do so much planning as a townie. I WANT THE MAN DEAD What? Planning is bad? What do you think is going to happen if a townie doesn't make a plan. larjarse just wants to stop anyone from planning at all, meaning distrupting how the town should function On August 07 2010 02:11 larjarse wrote: Valid point, rastaban. I am just G checking you to get some text.. As you can see, I haven't change my vote. More spam. Actually, it looks like he already knows that love1another is part of the town because even under the threat of being lynched next if love1anther was mafia, he doesn't care. On August 07 2010 12:00 larjarse wrote: Divinek saying I spam spam spam on pg 23: This is my first game. You also excluded my posts that had content. So vote me if you please and calm down your e rage, bro. I voted BM becauese I instinctively feel like he's up to no good. If he's actually good, then oh well, it was a 1/6 chance anyways and it's only the first day. Many can sit here and theroize why people posted what and everthing, but you probably aren't going to know who anyone is today. Pyrrhuloxia United States. August 07 2010 10:12. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early.. I agree! Divinek again targeting me on pg 25: speaking of which lets have a look at some inactive or people that have posted basically nothing thus far 1)lasjarles(or whatever) !!! And the roleblocker/framer can change the entire story. Divinek seems sure that BM is going to be watched tonight and is posting his expected results to further defend BM and thus fuck over the town if he is actually scum. So lets lynch him, and see what happens. Reading more bickering yadda yadda.. Okay lets just lynch BM and see what happens. Okey? Ok. Then maybe DivineK. He really doesn't say anything in this post. He tries to defend himself, but he really doesn't. Everything he says is based on how BM is mafia. And what Divinek said is true, all of his posts are spam. BTW, this is his only post longer than 3 lines. On August 07 2010 13:06 larjarse wrote: Sure. Its day 1 and there is 31 pages of speculation. Again, he ignores the plans that LSB and Pandain came up with. Ignoring plans that might work, and claiming it as speculation is completely mafia like. On August 07 2010 13:06 larjarse wrote: ..Meaning the simple one. lolz Probably catching himself before anyone pointed him out. On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote: Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca. Great. Amazing. Now does he ever tell us what he said? no. On August 08 2010 03:48 larjarse wrote: I am AIM if anyone wants to chat: DaWg2631 lol. I wonder what this is for... *cough trying to get roles for the mafia *cough On August 10 2010 06:28 larjarse wrote: This is ten pages back. I wanted to do this day 1. Why dont we just lynch BM and see what happens? All these vets are so caught up in the scheming that they are afraid to go against other vets. The vets are attacking each other this entire time! Granted, it probably is true that one of them is mafia due to making the teams fair, but he just wants to lynch BM just cause he wants to lynch a vet. On August 10 2010 16:51 larjarse wrote: Opz sup with that retarded list that randomly states your opinion about players of this game? I'm not really goonna add anything more today besides that we should lynch one of the heavy hitters to see what happens. I voted for BillMurray. I did day one too. We lynched a townie and 2 townies were hit. There is not much evidence about who did what because no plan fell though and today isn't looking to hot for blue/green plans either. I am reading the thread and all I see is a lot of speculation. I am taking things into consideration as I gather opinions and potential intended motives from posters. Lets lynch this BillMurray character and see whats good. Grow a pair, TOWN! Opinions are important, both for seeing what others are thinking, and to give a message to others. Just because it was against him, he becomes really diffensive. He keeps talking about speculations, and nothing else. These speculations have warrants in them. All of them are based on behavior differences in previous games. Stop trying to stop the town from making good analysis. There was a plan that went through. Thats why Xelin has everything (well, except for chez...). All of lajarse's arguments is based on lynching BM. Its like his only thing thats going for him. However, im pretty sure that BM is town, and he is trying to get rid of town. On August 10 2010 17:34 larjarse wrote: We already have several votes against BM. Why not just stick with it and find out what he was? I was asking for someone to IM me because I hadn't been talking to anyone and the game was getting boring for me. When anyone "adds", it is analyzed and there are generally two sides taken, so it is a nonstop battle of omfg I have the evidence! In THESE posts blah blah. because he might actually be town! You are trying to get rid of someone who is trying to help the town, and creating plans, and such. Probably the reason why you aren't getting IMs is because you are mafia. On August 10 2010 18:08 larjarse wrote: + Show Spoiler + We already have several votes against BM. Why not just stick with it and find out what he was? Whether you like it or not, this is playing. Nighty night, folks. More spam? On August 11 2010 01:49 larjarse wrote: Want to explain how I am possible mafia? Because every single one of my posts are quoted and thrown in a single post and scrutinized? You can lynch me, but you will only be putting the town back further. This maybe would have worked, IF YOU WEREN'T TRYING TO LYNCH BM ALSO AND CONTRIDICTING YOURSELF/ Thats wonderful. Try being more productive in the thread if you think this is boring. On August 11 2010 03:40 larjarse wrote: Maybe he is Greenblue like me? I'm starting to get a feel of who is town in some recent posts. So you guys are together now? Are the mafia getting closer to catching the blue roles? tl;dr larjarse is mafia. | ||
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I still believe that Foolishness is not mafia. We had talked in the PMs. I don't have clear cut evidence that he is part of the town, but as I stated before, why would he help lynch his mafia members? Unless hes just trying to distract me... On August 12 2010 18:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Also, Misder and Tree.Hugger put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 2. Misder and Foolishness put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 3. Hmm. Coincidence? Ya, maybe. Coincidence that Foolishness read all of Tree.Hugger's posts and didn't see that he was defending Bill Murray and pushing very hard for Youngminii's death? No way in hell. tl;dr Misder Is this the only reason that I would be mafia? Thats not a lot to call me mafia... This is a PM from Foolishness: "If you haven't done so, please vote for youngminii, we need to keep the pressure up to find out for sure what alignment he is. The earlier we do it the better, since if he defends himself well (which he hasn't so far) we'll have enough time to switch to somebody else." When I read this message, I immediately voted for youngminii. Before I had already said I was going to vote for him, but I forgot to vote in the voting thread. Besides the fact that I already wrote analysis on youngminii on how he is mafia because of his behavior. I sent Foolishness my analysis on youngminii based on his previous games after he told me to. I still think that youngminii is mafia, but I think that larjarse is a better lynch target because his entire posting is very mafia like and spam. | ||
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And on Day 2, I did not vote youngminii the same time with tree.hugger. They were 7 mins apart. Thats a long time for there to be any correlation. If we were talking, it would have been almost instant. | ||
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On August 12 2010 21:01 Bill Murray wrote: ". If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members." At least thats how he explained it to me on the reason I should trust him. | ||
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On August 13 2010 02:11 SouthRawrea wrote: So far these two votes were nothing but bandwagons. The reason he gave for voting Roffles was a few pages after Divinek called 7 people out for being inactive. Both Roffles and Misder were on that list. Basically this post is formulated of hypocrisy. Clearly his intent was to shift ANY sort of pressure off onto someone else. This next post is nonsense. He's been trying to help get him information? What? Unless you had confirmed each others' roles why on earth would you do this. Just going to ignore the part I bolded. What I would like to call to attention is what exactly did Foolishness ask him to do? This is extremely strange behaviour. Even as a new player, why would you want someone controlling your gameplay? Should you not come into this game prepared to avoid manipulation? Surely something is going on behind the scenes in PM land here. I'm not asking for you to bring out the particularily risky parts about peoples' roles but please enlighten me as to what is going on within your PMs that regards looking into peoples' roles (as opposed to just peoples' roles) and the connection you two had SO early in the game. Here he regurgitates reasons for voting Youngminii that were previously given which is what makes his vote a bandwagon vote/sheeping as well. What you could call the nail in the coffin (lol HDStarcraft). Both Misder and Tree.hugger the revealed mafia were engaging in a PM conversation with bumatlarge? I would like to ask bumatlarge to reveal these PMs because they haven't met his request at this point in time. This is especially suspicious because as Misder previously revealed he was trying to find peoples' roles. He also has less than 10 posts. I would like to call the town to vote Misder because frankly, this is the scummiest gameplay I've ever seen. I like to state the reason why I vote for people before I actually vote, so that people won't come to me and say, why did you vote for this person. I do this every mafia game; sorry for restating what other people are, but at least I show that I read the thread and I state that I know the reason why there is a bandwagon, instead of some people who just jump in without knowing anything. If you want me to stop posting reasons why I vote, then, fine. I was also the first one to vote for roffles. There was no bandwagon. Pandain was because I trusted Xelin. And that Pandain was lying. Did you read my post on how lying killed the town last game? Divinek did call me out on being inactive. I tried to be active. Now you are saying that I can't show that roffles hasn't been helping the town at all, without being scummy... Then, what should I do instead, spam? I trust Foolishness. BTW, I'm not trying to find specific roles, just behavior changes that Foolishness tells me to do. He told me to do analysis on youngminii based on his previous games. + Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game. The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not. As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry. I already stated why I trust Foolishness. I guess I was also biased by the fact that he was a veteran at the game. Also, I believe that he took a hit from the mafia. The only way that he could have been lying was if he was godfather. Then, he was tricked me... but I will stick to my advocacy. If I'm wrong... well, I'm screwed. I already addressed me "bandwagoning" on youngminii. I always state why I vote. I also voted because Foolishness told me too. I also voted because I did my own analysis already and it wasn't based on what others said. I also did my analysis on youngminii before Foolishness did analysis on the thread. I never engaged in any PMs in bumalarge. Actually, the only people I PMed were Foolishness and Xelin (which was because he wanted me to tell him my role) Personally, I think I stepped up my game. I mean, even with 10 posts, at least I don't spam, at least my posts have some substance, at least I don't lie. If you still think that I'm part of the mafia, or I missed a point, tell me. I will reiterate again why I am townie. | ||
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On August 13 2010 04:27 SouthRawrea wrote: I've said that you STILL haven't been active and are in no place to call someone else on being inactive. Also, substance? PLEASE. Post 1 Pg14 after /in : Blah blah I'll be active, don't lynch inactives. Post 2 Pg15: Very early vote count. Pointless. Counting 7/30 people. Post 3 Pg19: Good question but the plan wasn't an entirely good one anyways nor could it happen on N1. Post 4 Pg30: Attacking Roffles for having 1 less post than he did. Honestly, "framing" a plan as "nonsense garbage" wouldn't really sway the town in any way. Post 5 Pg48: Revealing his link with Foolishness and telling us his reason for inactiveness for just that particular day. Also as Divinek said: "real solid evidence there!" Post 6 Pg60: Having some fabled analysis that he hasn't shown us and claiming that he knows things about Youngminii's style after having played only 2 games. Seems like he's regurgitating other arguments and perhaps something Foolishness had PMed him. Post 7 Pg72: Asking about Bumatlarge's list and his lack of proof, an promise about an analysis on larjarse and him being "very scummy" as well as a generic "lynch all liars" reason for lynch Pandain. Also that was not the reason why the town lost last game entirely. Blue snipes were a huge portion of the reason why the town lost. Post 8 Pg77: His "analysis". Pointing out a fault that is common in both his posts and larjarses. (See Post 2) Okay some of your points are valid there but this is his first game as well. I'm not saying he isn't mafia, he very well could be. You're now involved in 1 finished game and 2 other ongoing games. Going through an entire thread game brings alot of experience I'd say. I've definitely seen more action last game than any short real-time game. Post 9 Pg77: Maybe Roffles= ninja? Post 10 Pg84: Bringing attention back to your analysis of a noob and showing us the PM from Foolishness. Also defense. So basically only one vote with good content and it's attacking a noob so its validity is questionable at best. Btw not counting the most recent 2 addressed towards me. So go ahead show me this substance you speak of. Show it to me. Also Bumatlarge explain the situation about the PMs please. If youve seen me in any other game, i don't post a lot. Not that this is an excuse, as I stated, I try to post more. Its more of an improvement thing then anything else. I've had the same role for 3 games in a row now, so I try to improve my town play. You were in the last game I was in, you know how much I post. Anyways, any veteran will say that change in behavior throughout the game is the best way to find mafia members. I just don't want to spam, or repeat what everyone else stated already. Post 1: Alright, I tried. If you want to lynch a townie for trying to be helpful. Fine. Do that. I tried to help people that were new to the game, or didn't read the last mafia game, and tell them what mistakes the town made. I never said don't lynch inactives. I said don't lynch someone who made a one liner mistake in Day 1 ie Hyperbola. Post 2: I also put in that I am suspicious of BM. I feel that I help the town by telling the town what I am thinking and pointing out points that I like/dislike. Post 3: Ok. If you want to disregard this, thats fine. I posted this to point out an obvious flaw that no one else pointed out. If someone brought this up on day 2, then I would have pointed out the flaw again. I didn't want a plan that had a higher percentage to hit a blue role than to hit a red role Post 4: It wasn't that he had one less post than me. It was because he wasn't posting well at all. Even less substance than me. Did you even read roffles posts? Anyways, if he was mafia/ninja he would have still said the same thing imo. Post 5: So you want me to keep what Foolishness and I had in the PMs away from the thread. First, I will continue to defend Foolishness. If you don't want to believe that I have real life problems, then fine. I don't know how I can convince you without you coming to Stanford. Post 6: As I already stated, I did analysis in the PM to Foolishness before he posted in the thread. He didn't tell me anything about youngminii except that he was suspcious of youngminii. Post 7: He never answered me. I would think that it would be the opposite of what bumalarge said. Larjarse is looking scummy. I already did analysis on him too. And lying was a big part of town losing. Sure you sniped some blues, but if people didn't lie in PM land or in the thread, town wouldn't be suspicious of town, and we wouldn't be fighting each other. Post 8: Ok, I pointed out a fault that I had also. I didn't really say that post was scummy either. If you want me to defend myself on the vote, I did that for my own reference, and I decided that since I already typed up the list, I might as well send it along with my post. I don't really understand what you mean by 1 finished and 2 ongoing games. If you are talking about mafia, then I have finished 2 games, and this is the only ongoing game. If you could explain that point, I would be happy to answer. Post 9: Roffles really did look ninja, or someone who didn't care. Post 10: That was all defense against Pyrrs post. Again, I'm not going to say I'm extremely active. At least I'm not spamming. I just increased my post count just by defending myself. It's not hard to spam and count it as helping. It's up to the town. It's not like I'm not going to change my vote if he is actually defends himself. Plus, I'm actually giving him something to do. Bored? Defend yourself. Again, I never PMed bumalarge. He put me in there for no reason. I posted before why I voted for youngminii. 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On August 13 2010 04:30 SouthRawrea wrote: EBWOP Post 6 Pg60: Having some fabled analysis that he hasn't shown us and claiming that he knows things about Youngminii's style after having played only 1 game WITH HIM. Seems like he's regurgitating other arguments and perhaps something Foolishness had PMed him. Just because I only played one game with him, doesn't mean I can't go back into other mafia games, and thats exactly what I did. | ||
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On August 13 2010 05:38 SouthRawrea wrote: Post 2 -> We're all guilty of this at one time or another but it really doesn't help unless you're credible. In fact I'm guilty of this in this thread so I'll drop my point about this post in particular. Post 4 -> Of course I read his posts, but pointing out someone that had slightly less than you doesn't help at all nor does it prove a single thing. It merely pushes the suspicion on to someone else. Post 5 -> I believe you have real life problems. That has nothing to do with post 5. Why're y Post 6 -> Well you can still give us your analysis of Youngminii by copypasting the stuff you sent in the Sent part of your inbox. Post 8 -> You were giving reasons for why you though larjarse was mafia. Anything you quoted obviously had something to do with his scumminess. Sorry i though last game was your first game. I was pointing this out to say that at least he has an excuse for his fault while you who are more experienced do not. Post 9 -> Just pointing out that it had no content really. Post 10 -> Yes I agree most of it was defense but again you were pushing suspicion off to Larjarse. Also, kinda funny because one of the reasons I started this was to get you to post more haha. Bumatlarge said that he never was in contact with you just a moment ago . My biggest beef with you I guess is that you've been redirecting suspicion to other people for reasons that apply to you as well. I'm not as sure that you're mafia now but you're still pretteh scummy to me as well as claiming you have content in the few posts that you have when you really don't.Post 2: Ok. Post 4: First of all, the point of the post was to show that roffles has been acting untown like. Someone could have pointed me out too and voted for me to pressure me. It wasn't an argument not to vote to lynch me. I didn't say, "Don't vote for me, there are other people that are just like me." This post also stated why I voted for him. Post 5: You didn't finish this, so if you could finish it, that would be great. Post 6: I did give my analysis on youngminii On August 13 2010 03:16 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game. The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not. As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry. Post 8: I quoted all of his posts. I did not pick out quotes based on scumminess. That's ok. I didn't understand your argument anyways. Post 9: Ok. Post 10: I'm not pushing anything. Unlike some people (not refering specifically to you), I actually try to use only one post to answer everything. The first line was because I always state the reason why I vote for people. Then the rest was defending against Pyrr. The last sentence was also part of the reason why I voted for larjarse instead of youngminii, mostly directed to Foolishness, because he really wants me to vote youngminii. Alright, part of my defense is that there are more scummier people in town. I admit that I try to point out these people. I think anyone would do that. I do it because I feel that I help the town when I point out scummy people, instead of all defense, that doesn't help the town at all. I feel that I post enough substance so that its not spam. When I post, I give the town what I think about the game. I don't post unless I think it is necessary to help the town. I guess you could say I don't have a lot of substance, but I think that every post I put has some content in there. | ||
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@Misder, what are your thoughts on SouthRawrEa's alignment?[/QUOTE] I think that he is town. I'm not sure about the the blue role or the green though. I don't think he would be attacking someone this hard if he was mafia, unless I was some big name, sorta like Pyrr against DTA in the last mafia game. I think that he just thinks I'm part of the mafia, which I'm fine with. Is there a reason for this? On August 13 2010 07:08 Bill Murray wrote: misderection I would be glad to defend myself, if you actually have a reason. Personally, I think this makes you more scummy as you are just randomly saying people are scum without any reason. | ||
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Misder
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+ Show Spoiler + Can you vote youngminii? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Who else do you think is in the mafia? I will try to do analysis to the people on the list. Probably one that is newer cause you know the older ones much better. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: VayeshMoru is BloodyCobbler, he accidentally gave it away. If you haven't done so, please vote for youngminii, we need to keep the pressure up to find out for sure what alignment he is. The earlier we do it the better, since if he defends himself well (which he hasn't so far) we'll have enough time to switch to somebody else. I could see Roffles being a ninja, but not DTA. I think DTA is just a townie this game, but I haven't had time to focus on any of these two players so this is just inital thoughts. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game. The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not. As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry. On different people, does it seem to you that roffles and DTA are ninjas? And what do you think of VayeshMoru? Do you think he is a smurf, and if so, of who? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yeah, I still say do the analysis anyways. It's night time now but don't take too long. This is also his 3rd game according to your list. I only played in one with him (I died first night) so I have no idea what he did in the other game. We must be careful to account for actual improvement. Yes, he did spam a lot when he was a townie. He got criticized harshly for it. I'd expect him to tone it down a little bit as he'd figure too much is too much at some point. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I'm sorry. I didn't have time to do what you requested. I will probably be able to do it tomorrow during the night in the game where I won't be doing much anyways. My analysis without going actually looking for stuff: During the last mafia game in which I was with youngminii in, I was always thinking of lynching him if it wasn't for being a confirmed townie. I think this game he's a bit more passive, but he did spam a lot in the beginning of the day. I think that he's afraid to make a mistake and get lynched. I'm inclined to say that he is mafia or a blue role just because he is more cautious, but you never know. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Okay. I think this is love1another's second game cause I seem to remember seeing his name before. It's only the first day, should frankly you don't have a lot to of by in terms of trusting me. But right now I'm providing you a way to analyze people based on their past games. If I was mafia I'm pretty much helping you find my allies. youngminii looks the most interesting right now. What you can do is go look at his past 2 games and read his posts, then compare to what he's doing this game. I've played one game with him so I sort of know a bit about it but that's it. Look at what his role was each game and compare to this one. Things you might want to consider are: frequency of posting, length of posts (lengthy posts compared to one-liners), interaction with other players (does he yell at others or is he passive?). I know he kinda has a big ego, so look to make sure that's consistent through all his games. I won't be able to catch up on the thread until close to day end unfortunately. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: New VayeshMoru love1another LSB larjarse 2nd mafia game Pandain SouthRawrea 3rd mafia game Divinek youngminii rastaban Misder Artanis[xp], bumatlarge, Jayme, Hesmyrr all have more than 3 games I think this is right. Question: why should I trust you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yeah yeah whatever, we got some work to do. Right now I'm trying to draw a preliminary mafia list. Kinda hard cause nobody's sticking out this game (compared to last game I had 2 mafia members pegged relatively easily, of course I was totally wrong about 2 others I thought for sure as well). Here's what you can do to help the both of us right now. Get a list together of everyone in the game who has never played before. Then get a list of people who this is their second or third game. I ask you this because there are multiple people here I am not very familiar with, including yourself. Getting their records straight would be beneficial. To start, the people I know well (so you don't have to check up on them) are: Chezinu, BM, Pyrry, DTA, Xelin, Amberlight, chaoser, brownbear, KF91, infundibulum, iaaan, OPZ, tree hugger, roffles. Anyone not on that list should have played a total of less than 3 games. Knowing which games they've played in is good because then we can compare their behavior to deduce what role they might be. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hey! My first PM ever besides role PMs! Youngminii and Pandain are always spamming in the previous game. They both acted pretty scummy last game, but both turned out town. I don't think that Divinek spammed last game in the beginning tho. But Divinek hates me probably because of the way I played last game, which I don't blame. I always play like that though... That leads to another question. Can you help me improve my play? I feel like I act a bit on the scummy side, even though I am town. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yo, we gotta get to talking eventually so better sooner than later. What do you think of the youngminii divinek Pandain trio? They have all been incredibly active and have provided enough spam to feed a family of four for a month. 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Misder
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On August 13 2010 10:13 SouthRawrea wrote: Post 4: Well I'm pressuring you now I guess haha. Bumatlarge has stated that as well. Very revealing  . To me I get a better vibe from you even knowing that this could be a mafia ploy with the PMs early on from either side or both.lol. Isn't that what BC did with rastaban? In the last mafia game? And this thread died off... I guess no more spamming from people really silences people. And I guess everything is in PM land. | ||
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On August 14 2010 09:01 Bill Murray wrote: Since XeliN can't do it, I will: YoungMinii has claimed vig, his target died, but he could fake that as mafia Misder has not claimed anything at all to XeliN or anyone or hadn't when I got my list There are WAY too many "townie" claims, and any of these is a good lynch cuz of it: I will break them down into groups. Likely town: iNfuNdiBuLuM - not good for lynch imo. I trust him on this one, but I might be wrong, who knows. pyrrhuloxia - based on meta i feel like i trust him as townie, but ~OpZ~ suspects him Neutral/Null: larjarse - he might be townie. he is a noob. i'm not sure if village idiot = scum here Amber[LighT] - how can we read a townie who is inactive? Mafia: bumatlarge - unlikely townie imo. good lynch candidate. interested to see his flip. misder - unclaimed, or claimed townie, idk. Likely red is Foolishness or bum is Jayme - likely red imo vayeshmoru - claimed townie, but maybe the GF. does anyone know if vayeshmoru is confirmed? would like to hear about it. couple that we with like 6 dead townies and Artanis/myself being confirmed townies/nosy neighbors and we have WAY too many "townies". I claimed to Xelin as townie, but he PMed me first. I sent it late, so I'm not sure if you got it. I'm starting to believe that larjarse is actually just a town idiot. He just has nothing to do. However, he still has not defended my post against him, so I don't think I'm going to change my vote. I think that bumalarge and youngminii are both good lynch targets; I just think that larjarse should defend himself before I change my vote. And it gives him something to do | ||
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Misder
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On August 15 2010 14:42 Bill Murray wrote: I was pushing Misder yesterday, as I found that cute post of his where he said "foolishness would kill his team as mafia". lol I'm all for his lynch Vayesh. I was just giving the reason that Foolishness gave me. | ||
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Misder
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On August 15 2010 11:54 VayeshMoru wrote: A little birdie told me Misder is a mafia goon. He is first lynch target. As for second, I personally advocate infundibulum, but thats up to you guys. Alright, if someone checked me, and I came up as mafia, then I can only give one explaination; that there is another framer in the mafia. I think this makes sense, since from what I've heard, we have at least 3 trackers. I'm not sure how many of these are true, but, if flame lets the town have 3 trackers, then he may as well have given the mafia 2 framers. This is my only explanation, as I know that I am town, and I will defend myself against any more claims. And btw, VM is not confirmed. He may as well be part of the mafia, and this may be part of his plan. I'm not sure, but remember, VM is actually BC and will trick you all, just like he tricked the town last game... We shouldn't be too quick to listen to him, at all. | ||
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Misder
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I was scared, I never want to blow my cover, but I am actually a detective. This is the first time I was a blue role, and I didn't want to confirm to Xelin, just in case he was mafia. I dt checked Ace last night. I wanted to make sure that he was part of the town because I knew that Ace was a veteran player, and that he being in the mafia would be deadly. In my post in the thread, I said that the only concievable way that I was mafia was that there was a second framer. This is wrong. Someone may have tracked me to Ace. I told Xelin and ~Opz~ before I told the thread what I really am, because thats where mafia members are. If you want me to confirm myself, I guess I will have to tell you all of my checks. Night 1: I checked larjarse. This is before I wrote up an analysis on his posts. I found that he was mafia. After Night 2, to further my point without disclosing my role, I wrote up analysis on larjarse. This is before I sent in my night role. I was not sure whether or not a framer framed him though, so I wanted to see if anyone defended him. This didn't work, as no one actually followed through to pressure him, so if he really is mafia, he and his mafia goons didn't need to defend themselves. Night 2: I checked hesmyrr. I found out he was not in the mafia. The problem with talking to him was... I wasn't sure whether or not his (Xelin) circle was legit or not, and I'm pretty sure that hesmyrr is part of that circle. I was afraid that there might be a leak in his group. So I waited. Now, I felt comfortable talking to Xelin, and telling Xelin my role, since the mafia hasn't hit any blue role except for DTA which I suspect to have been because he is a veteran at the game. I still haven't talked to hesmyrr on PM. Hopefully, you can trust me now. I still suspect that you are suspicious of me, as you should be, but you should know that I am trying to help the town, not hurt it. | ||
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