TL Mafia XXX

On August 02 2010 04:16 BrownBear wrote:
Yay newbie! Welcome!

On August 02 2010 07:25 Divinek wrote:
hold onto that newbie card for your god damn life

On August 02 2010 07:34 flamewheel wrote:
Regardless, no such thing as a "newbie" card.

On August 06 2010 08:59 Pandain wrote:
Seriously though, is this the time when like all you pros be like "Hey, noobie noob noobs, some general advice." And then if someone gives bad advice, we can watch him.
Or advice fitting his needs.

On August 06 2010 09:32 chaoser wrote:


Scum play, trying to distract us with a funny picture so that we get off the scent of RED scum =]

On August 06 2010 10:44 Divinek wrote:
my want for lynching pandain supersedes all wants to lynch inactives

On August 02 2010 08:30 Divinek wrote:
##vote misder

On August 06 2010 11:13 VayeshMoru wrote:
My purpose is simple. I am the Scribe. For what has transpired, and what will continue to transpire, I exist to write these summations of our limited existences. Hopefully a story told is a story saved. Will this hold true I wonder? Sometimes even the immortally captured objects fade to dust.


With dust in the air from our beginning turmoil, the records I keep will help us see with our clouded vision. It is time we begin writing the first chapter of our story. Let us begin.

On August 06 2010 11:35 DarthThienAn wrote:


I don't know what you're talking about.

Just thinking about balance, I think it's likely that we have 1 of each blue role? And probably 3-4 ninjas in the game, I'd lean toward 3. Look here for a comparison. Ninjas = Assassins, essentially.

With a roleblocker + framer, something like 7 to 9 blue roles sounds right. Framer essentially replaces millers from previous games, except gives a little more power to the mafia. Roleblocker is standard. What makes things interesting is the ninjas. Not sure how that messes up balance.

Discussion, go!


And for the record: I am always for lynching inactives.

On August 06 2010 12:08 DarthThienAn wrote:
Hmm. I agree that Ninjas can be very powerful. But I don't really like your breakdown.

Ally with mafia: This requires the Ninja to know who the mafia are. It also requires the Ninja to reveal who he is, which is retarded, because that makes him vulnerable, and his objective is to SURVIVE. So this is almost impossible, unless the Ninja takes a plunge based on his instincts... which is pretty silly.
Let's assume that he finds a mafia through rolecheck though (talking about later in the game now). The Ninja still has no protection. He has no way of guaranteeing that the mafia won't kill him during the night. And he can't post after death, so all the power to the mafia there. There's no collateral, no guarantee. And mafia will never know who a ninja is, except through a DT, which is also a ridiculous situation unless the DT claims to the GF after a check. So it only really makes sense for the Ninja to PM the mafia member. But why would he do that? The mafia use up his night hits, and then kill him, if they want to. Not to mention, the Ninja just wants to the kill the other ninjas. He doesn't care about town/mafia dying.

Ally with Town: this is a bit more likely, but still requires the ninja to know those people. But again, why would a ninja be interested in doing this? He just wants to kill the other ninjas. Unless he gets in contact with DT, there is no benefit for him.

Ninja caught by DT: Are you kidding me? lol. People reading, this is an example of a bad plan. The ninja is a VIGILANTE. He can easily kill the DT if the DT threatens to expose him.

... -_-

On August 06 2010 12:01 Divinek wrote:
or they could just play normally and not listen to anyone and do as their role meant to do

it would be ridiculous for them to try and coordinate with town, obviously easy to do with mafia once they found them but...why would they do this?

it'd be a perfectly dick way to ruin a game

On July 29 2010 13:12 flamewheel wrote:
9. Play to win.

On August 06 2010 19:19 youngminii wrote:


Uh oh, someone made a huge blunder.

Pyrr is very likely a ninja.

It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant.

Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them.

On August 06 2010 22:52 rastaban wrote:
Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive.

On August 07 2010 10:41 chaoser wrote:


The plan involves a vigi so even if GF claims, GF isn't going to be able to magically make a fourth KP come out of thin air at night

On August 07 2010 10:44 chaoser wrote:


We're not saying claim today/tonight, we're saying claim day 2/day 3

at that point Mafia will be self restricting themselves, making their own KP 2

The plan involves a vigi so even if GF claims, GF isn't going to be able to magically make a fourth KP come out of thin air at night

On August 07 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote:
Pandain's 1st Refinement of his plan:
So I was making this whole complicated thing about my plan, when I thought of something. Here's my thoughts.........


Watccher and tracker visit BM
Night hit will tell us whether they are mafia, since tracker will know about mafia.
If mafia: Tracker and watcher gather up, two medics protect both of them. We lynch a certain mafia.
Have town circle also. Possible mass roleclaim?
If blue: We have a circle of 3 blues, perfect eh?

Thoughts?

On August 07 2010 11:15 LSB wrote:

I'll think more on this situation. But Pandain, it's better than anything I can think of myself. Assuming totally random odds, and also only 1 innocent stalker, there is a 93.44% chance of succeeding.

On August 07 2010 11:18 SouthRawrea wrote:
Also would like to mention we have multiple, stackable medics.

On August 07 2010 11:30 SouthRawrea wrote:


Thank you very much. I lost track of what I was saying half way through and was hoping it would make sense. I've got the idea still in my head though. I'll try and clarify in just a moment after going through the idea itself again.

On August 07 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:

agreed, then it reverts back to its "no mafia interference plan" where we have two confirmed blues. So perhaps we should have in that scenario the watcher and tracker come out in open. Than everyone RC(since they are clean.) Than we can hunt down the vets. Would be worth it if we get a GF. Very worth it.

In addition, in the HIGHLY unlikely scenario that he IS GF, than he will still get caught as stated above.

On August 07 2010 22:26 SouthRawrea wrote:


Harsh.
The problem with your plan Bill Murray and Pandain's is what if there's more than 1 tracker OR watcher? We're fucked then if we continue along with either of your plans. The chances of this being the case are NOT negligible either.

On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:

watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a

watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who

This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him

watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him

On August 07 2010 12:40 Divinek wrote:


but how do we set up a real circle when the role blocker gets in there

On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.

On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game).

On August 08 2010 11:09 Divinek wrote:
realistically best case scenario they were green!

On August 08 2010 15:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Chezinu is awesome.


but enough about that, how is this watcher plan going to go through, LSB's way?

On August 09 2010 06:23 Bill Murray wrote:
all i'm saying is that xelin might be innocent, even if he comes up red, depending on how many people the watcher saw visit him in the night.

@ LSB: also, assume we only have 1 watcher, what if they die? what if they are inactive, and haven't see the plan? what is the plan's take on the watcher claiming?

On August 09 2010 07:47 XeliN wrote:
Could someone PM my role or what I'm expected of in this plan? I'm slightly confused although only skim read posts in between HoN games so far.

On August 18 2010 11:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Nice well played town! Credit is due for LSB's AWESOME PLAN!!! And Xelin for coming through with it after night 1. Opz for being a PIA lol (he knows what he did to me )

I definitely had a lot of fun this game.

Glad I got to save two people at least before I died... thanks BM... you're on notice from now on!