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On August 10 2010 13:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 04:13 Bill Murray wrote:well, the best strategy going forward has been detailed by me already On April 14 2010 05:13 Bill Murray wrote: everyone is an assassin here's what we're going to do: The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles. On April 14 2010 04:28 Qatol wrote:On April 14 2010 04:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Disregard....Forgot my Finals/End of Term/HW/Needing a book read by Tuesday... Thanks so much for doing this! Can't devote enough time to play seriously = sitting it out. So nice to see.  You yourself are around the thread enough, while not even playing in it, to actually play more competently than most of the people who play. Furthermore, in the small amount of what you devote, due to the time it takes you being disproportionate in relation to the time required of others to build cases taking into acount the discrepancy in skill level, you really should play. you could still be among the best players even when devoting less time. On April 14 2010 05:04 Foolishness wrote:
If one of the assassins wins (i.e. all but one assassin are dead) does the game end? Or does it keep playing out until one of mafia/town win? I hope the latter. On April 14 2010 04:50 Jugan wrote:
instead of a picture of lightning you should have a picture of a goat. african or european? i promise consolidation if you let me edit This is BM's plan. It details having the assassins kill each. Nothing about getting all the blues to claim to him. I'm looking through and not seeing anything close to getting everyone to claim to BM. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Although notice that I site past games and posts as evidence while Pyrry does not.
Part of his plan was that if two people were paired up and were blue they were supposed to claim publically. It was in a different post explaining his plan. I think I posted it before. I can dig it out.
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Also, before any townies help save Bill Murray by jumping onto Youngminii:
Let's review the posts Foolishness says are scummy:
First there's something about defending Pandain. That is somewhat worrisome; see my next post for more on Pandain.
+ Show Spoiler +DT can use a proxy townie like was done last game with Zeks and lakrismamma.
Also, how did the mafia suck at blue sniping last game? They got every single blue long before the end of the game (and the end of the game was significantly shortened BECAUSE they sniped every blue). You were the one playing like a total scrub early game, linking pretty much all the blues together and accusing them as a group of scum (remember your PM parade telling everyone to lynch Subversion?).
I hope people don't use PMs to the same effect this game, I'd say stay very wary of most PMs early game (case in point: Subversion revealing to Pandain that he was DT without having checked Pandain, Pandain was in fact a miller, but still could have been very dangerous).
I never found out how Subversion's DT role got leaked, that was well and truly stupid as fuck.
Youngminii being abrasive as usual. The PM stuff was good advice that no one is following; we'll see how that turns out.
Next posts are defending Chezinu - if Chez is red, okay. Otherwise youngminii is probably just making sure we don't lynch him day 1 just for being weird. At least Chez wasn't scummy weird by asking for all blues to claim to him.
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+ Show Spoiler +Maybe we are posting a bit too much (I don't think it's as much as last game lol).. Isn't the whole point of all this to generate discussion though? I mean, what else are we going to do, sit around and twiddle our thumbs?
Quality post? No. Scummy post? Nope. Might as well be quoting BM's cat image.
+ Show Spoiler +Okay apparently BM can't see what's wrong with his plan. I shall outline them for you.
If you are scum, we lose instantly.
If you are town, 6 people will lie and you won't know who lied and who didn't and you can't publicly reveal them without exposing their identity.
What are you going to do when all 6 scum claims town? Hmm? Oh right, nothing.
Do you really, really, really think every single person will claim to you? Do you know how hard organisation is, especially on a forum?
What are you going to do when the framer frames people? Uh oh.
Can't be fucked listing anymore.
It was good of him to chime in on this because BM kept pushing it which counters any idea that he was just fooling around.
Next post youngminii says he will find scum and then he doesn't seem to so much later. Obvious mafia! Or maybe he is truthful about university. Either way, not a scumtell.
Then he said he was way more involved with helping town in godfather mafia. He was also A DETECTIVE that game. Not really helpful because that is apples to oranges. You'd be better comparing to TL Mafia XXVIII since he was active in that one, but again I'm not ready to lynch him when BM is still on the table and it could be a case of less time available.
Okay, good, Foolishness does have a post from XXVIII. It's a big long post about Chaoser who didn't happen to be mafia (lol that helped us a lot).
When it comes down to it, nearly everything different about youngminii this game could be explained by him just being busier. The exceptions are weird defenses of both Chezinu and Pandain - but I'm not sure whether going after Youngminii before the others makes sense (see my upcoming post on Pandain especially).
With Bill Murray and Foolishness, there is no possible simple explanation for the differences I see.
Well, BM could be fucking around but I'd rather kill BM for fucking around than kill Youngminii for being busy.
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[QUOTE]On August 10 2010 13:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I agree with Tree Hugger 100%
We always make the wrong decision by shunning people who make "bad plans" (aka lynching them).
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Something tells me the TL Mafia metagame is shifting to where mafia players realize they can propose hella shady / huge potential reward plans with little risk. Several of you may understand what I mean here.
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I'm a bit disturbed over this hit Foolishness took last night. We don't actually know if he took a hit, and though the numbers make sense, it could be a setup. We could be allowing a trap to manifest itself. Logically we should either lynch or check that player, but with the framer running around this isn't a bread and butter night action (wham bam thank you ma'am kinda deal).
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Not to mention I am fairly certain Foolishness is GF if mafia. If Foolishness is mafia it prolly went down like this: LSB proves himself very dangerous with his great plan - if it works out he will be nearly confirmed for proposing it. Let's double up on him in case he is veteran and that's a great opportunity for a fake claim if he's not. Of course, that risks hitting a medic who then knows 3 hits were used and no vigi hits are day 1, so Foolishness is fake claiming. But wait! The plan guarantees the medic is on Xelin. What medic would like LSB enough to prot him but not enough to follow the plan? So, zero risk to mafia looking weird with a fake claim.
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Foolishness has been claiming in thread that he has been suspicious of Bill Murray (remember the two anti-Bill Murray posts he quoted; he said that he was not allied with Bill Murray).
Foolishness claimed I was stupid for thinking anyone would cough up blue roles to Bill Murray just because he asked for them.
Foolishness has now apparently coughed up BLUE ROLES to the Bill Murray who supposedly wasn't really blue fishing but joking around and supposedly wasn't allied with Foolishness at all.
This does not add up.
Lynch Bill Murray. Proceed from there.
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"That's insufficient in itself, but Pyrry thinks BM is mafia mostly because of BM's ridiculous plan day 1."
Here is you thinking the plan is ridiculous, rather than scummy. So if it is ridiculous for him to collect blue names, why give him one, ya?
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On August 10 2010 13:56 Foolishness wrote:
Oh and where's that post about BM's plan from the other game?
Here is Bill Murray as Godfather asking for blues to role claim publically
-This plan was presented Day 1.
-Basically, his plan was to group people in twos. If a group of two did not contain an assassin (called ninja's in this game) they were supposed to claim publically. Think about how high the odds are there. In this game, there are 2-4 ninjas. So if we did this plan here, it is basically presenting a Day 1 plan asking 22-28 of the 30 town's people to publically claim their role.
On April 18 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote:
OK. Big FoS on Zona/BC for completely ignoring my valid strategy of making people pitted against each other. If we have player A vs player B we will be able to learn who the assassins are through having them strategically fight each other. If neither one is an assassin, we can have them roleclaim. I know that a lot of people on TL are against roleclaiming like this, but it is very beneficial to the town.
Good points from this:
1) we learn who the assassins are
2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins
3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other
This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum.
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Foolishness is so certain that this game is shaping up like a previous game. I am too. Read this post of Zona trying to deal with Bill Murray's Godfather plan. He is like my fricking clone or something.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2010 05:42 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote:
OK. Big FoS on Zona/BC for completely ignoring my valid strategy of making people pitted against each other. If we have player A vs player B we will be able to learn who the assassins are through having them strategically fight each other. If neither one is an assassin, we can have them roleclaim. I know that a lot of people on TL are against roleclaiming like this, but it is very beneficial to the town.
Good points from this:
1) we learn who the assassins are
2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins
3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other
This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum. Wait...you were serious about your "everyone is an assassin" post? And you want everyone to roleclaim so early? First of all, if someone is an assassin, they aren't going to claim assassin. That's just setting a big target on their backs so that the other assassins can kill them. And if we mass roleclaim we just allow the mafia to choose the most valuable power roles to kill at night. Also - how am I derailing the town? I'm pointing out the fishy parts of BC's posts and posting my own proposed plan with reasoning to back it up. Here's Bill Murray's plan in spoilers for those that want to reference it. It was so silly I thought it was a joke. + Show Spoiler +On April 14 2010 05:13 Bill Murray wrote:
everyone is an assassin
here's what we're going to do:
The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles.
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On August 10 2010 14:12 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 14:10 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Foolishness is so certain that this game is shaping up like a previous game. I am too. Read this post of Zona trying to deal with Bill Murray's Godfather plan. He is like my fricking clone or something. + Show Spoiler +On April 18 2010 05:42 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote:
OK. Big FoS on Zona/BC for completely ignoring my valid strategy of making people pitted against each other. If we have player A vs player B we will be able to learn who the assassins are through having them strategically fight each other. If neither one is an assassin, we can have them roleclaim. I know that a lot of people on TL are against roleclaiming like this, but it is very beneficial to the town.
Good points from this:
1) we learn who the assassins are
2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins
3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other
This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum. Wait...you were serious about your "everyone is an assassin" post? And you want everyone to roleclaim so early? First of all, if someone is an assassin, they aren't going to claim assassin. That's just setting a big target on their backs so that the other assassins can kill them. And if we mass roleclaim we just allow the mafia to choose the most valuable power roles to kill at night. Also - how am I derailing the town? I'm pointing out the fishy parts of BC's posts and posting my own proposed plan with reasoning to back it up. Here's Bill Murray's plan in spoilers for those that want to reference it. It was so silly I thought it was a joke. + Show Spoiler +On April 14 2010 05:13 Bill Murray wrote:
everyone is an assassin
here's what we're going to do:
The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles.
Except the previous game is where you ruined the town and got a bunch of townies lynch. Granted you were mafia, but still.
Exactly, I was mafia. So... kinda irrelevant.
I had good reasons to lynch BM yesterday - he's playing very similar to his last game as Godfather. Those didn't disappear overnight. I'm not going to shrink my attention span and lose sight of them. Youngminii has some strikes against him, but it seems very foolish to consider him worse than Bill Murray at this point. Especially now that Bill Murray has outed a potential blue. He has gotten more suspicious to me, not less. The link between you and him has gotten more pronounced, not less. There have been some challenges to that link, but it remains quite well defined, I think.
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On August 10 2010 14:13 Foolishness wrote:
Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's mafia. Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's town.
Got an example of him asking for mass role claim as non-mafia? I haven't looked through all of his games yes. But it surprises me how quick people are to assume that he is always crazy when he seemed quite normal in the one game I found of him as green.
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That is some stale copypasta, Foolishness.
Here is some fresh stuff:
I have heard from multiple sources that Pandain has claimed ninja; a number of these sources claim that this is a fake claim.
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On August 10 2010 14:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 14:13 Foolishness wrote:
Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's mafia. Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's town. I only do them to get information flowing. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 13:10 BrownBear wrote:
##Unvote
Vote: Bill Murray
You do NOT do something like that. You know better. what's worse, getting the medic to protect you? forcing them to doublestack on you? or lynching someone like me who is trying to help the town? you tell me. how about me calling you out on a childish vote? is that good play? Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 14:52 Divinek wrote:
telling people to post more doesnt work
voting for them does though well, i'm posting, yet people keep voting me
It's not day 1 anymore; we can't get anywhere voting for inactivity all game. If we lynch the active mafia, the others will get more active.
Your plans are anti-town. They don't get the information flowing - they get you FoS'd and town distracted. Or they get you the blue roles if you are Godfather like last time. Well, you aren't Godfather this game because there was too much Day 1 suspicion on you.
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On August 10 2010 15:09 Bill Murray wrote:
so rolecheck me, problem solved
Yeah, except you live another day which isn't too attractive to me at this point.
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Back to town:
Okay, so I was right at least about a connection between BrownBear, Foolishness and Bill Murray being there from Day 1. Let's say I was wrong about BrownBear being red and he is a tricked blue. Kinda explains why he got role blocked: he gave his role to Foolishness, who passed it to BM. Foolishness claims that at least five people in addition to BM, BB and himself already knew that BB was Mad Hatter. I have no way to evaluate that - comments?
I imagine that was after he claimed the waxing, but Foolishness was the only one I recall talking hatter Day 1 so I assume he knew earlier.
I mean, I certainly didn't get a blue read from BrownBear so that was one hell of a snipe if he isn't faking the wax.
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On August 10 2010 15:11 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 15:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 14:59 Bill Murray wrote:On August 10 2010 14:13 Foolishness wrote:
Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's mafia. Bill Murray does retarded plans when he's town. I only do them to get information flowing. On August 10 2010 13:10 BrownBear wrote:
##Unvote
Vote: Bill Murray
You do NOT do something like that. You know better. what's worse, getting the medic to protect you? forcing them to doublestack on you? or lynching someone like me who is trying to help the town? you tell me. how about me calling you out on a childish vote? is that good play? On August 10 2010 14:52 Divinek wrote:
telling people to post more doesnt work
voting for them does though well, i'm posting, yet people keep voting me It's not day 1 anymore; we can't get anywhere voting for inactivity all game. If we lynch the active mafia, the others will get more active. Your plans are anti-town. They don't get the information flowing - they get you FoS'd and town distracted. Or they get you the blue roles if you are Godfather like last time. Well, you aren't Godfather this game because there was too much Day 1 suspicion on you. Dude if you don't stop focusing on BM so fucking hard I'm going to fucking flip. BM POSTS A SHITTY PLAN NOBODY FOLLOWS. Makes him mafia?! He posts shitty plans all the time. Go look at PYP mafia 1. HE PICKED INVENTOR and F'd it ALL UP. -_- Seriously Pyrr, you are way to pig headed to look at someone else? This is fucking ridiculous. When Bill pops non mafia are you willing to serve yourself up for tomorrow? Because I guarantee if he pops blue/ green/ ninja, I'm going to vote for you EVERY DAY until you are lynched. Not because I support BM, no, BECAUSE YOU WONT LOOK AT A SINGLE PERSON OTHER THAN HIM AND FOOLISHNESS.
I already gave my plan: If bill flips non-red, we don't go after people working in concert with him and we look at the other suspicious looking group of people working in concert.
BM posted a scummy plan that at least Foolishness followed.
I am not going to serve myself up - I have already explained that I fully understand that my suspicions on Foolishness share premises with my BM suspicions so there is no reason to irrationally go down my list if the most important part of it (BM) is wrong.
Please calm down and realize that it is in no way bad play of me to point out that BM has previously posted a mass claiming plan Day 1 as Godfather. Every time scum does this, it catches someone. For the good of the metagame we should make it non-profitable for the scum to do this. It makes me sick that town would let Bill Murray post these hideously scummy plans just because he might be fucking around. But I haven't seen the evidence he posts mass claim plans as green/blue. I hear this inventor plan was bad. Was it all blues claim publically Day 1 bad?
If BM does not turn out, it is not the end of the game. We still have lots of blue stuff going on. I have more info to post prior to night's end. Here's the thing: no one has come close to presenting a better target, imo. Youngminii, I have looked at. I will most likely go after him or someone connected to him, rather than Foolishness, if BM doesn't flip red.
I dunno why my lack of wishy-washiness is some how evidence that I am bad. When I present a plan to town as town, I do it because I have looked through a ton of evidence. We have lots of people claiming to not read the thread. The idea that you would lock your vote on me for being a bad player while people are doing that... that seems much more pig headed to me. I just have something I feel is a logical case and I've yet to see a better one.
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On August 10 2010 15:53 Divinek wrote:i hope you get hit by a chop stick tonight, or a vigi bullet, or bb put a bomb on you or something :D
Fanning the flames for the sake of fanning the flames is not productive. I know BC does not agree with my at all on my suspect list; he is much more suspicious of those doing this sort of behavior. I hope I am right.
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On August 11 2010 00:28 zeks wrote:
16. zeks - Zeks is mafia.
possible mafia
zeks, Misder, Larjarse
niceeee thought I could get away with lurking but guess not. fine that you guys suspect me for not being active, i agree it is somewhat scummy to lurk
tbh i've only skimmed through all these pages i have no idea wtf is going on, the LSB plan or w/e
most of hte stuff is going on in PM land anyway and im not apart of it. until u guys start revealing bit by bit whats going on behind the scenes i dont want to be speculating nothing
OpZ = Bill Murray 2.0?
Xelin seems to know what he's doing i'll just sit back and watch the fireworks
now lets make sure BM gets hung today
Here's another lurking flame stoker. Take note in case we misstep.
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On August 11 2010 03:28 Bill Murray wrote:
pyrrhuloxia is climbin in your windows, he's snatchin' your people up
Hide your kids, hide your wife and hide your husbands, cuz I rapin' everybody out here.
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On August 11 2010 03:27 bumatlarge wrote:
Its still early, and after alot of reading, Im feeling alot more then 5 people are saying Bm probably isnt red, so im going trust the general town line of thought. Also because alot of randomly inactive people started popping up. Hopefully young dying will lead us somewhere.
Lol. Perhaps to figure out what the general town line of thought is... you should look at the vote count that BM is leading in?
Following the crowd is stupid anyway. But posting saying you are going to follow the crowd while voting against the crowd to save Bill Murray, which is the second day in a row you've done this now, is scummy.
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On August 11 2010 03:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 03:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 11 2010 03:28 Bill Murray wrote:
pyrrhuloxia is climbin in your windows, he's snatchin' your people up Hide your kids, hide your wife and hide your husbands, cuz I rapin' everybody out here. I knew we should have dealt with this on Day 1.
Yep, I'm the Bed Intruder. Basically I'm a ninja except if I check someone they get notified about it and if I kill someone it gets broadcasted to the whole town because I am so stupid and leave fingerprints and all sorts of evidence. So they gon' find me.
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On August 11 2010 06:24 BrownBear wrote:
Unvoting BM, because as much as I want him dead we need to lynch smarter.
I'm voting zeks to get him talking more. Plus, BM has a point - he does admit guilt somewhat in his post...
He was fucking joking. Like when I said I was going to rape your husband and your wife. Do you have both of those? Do you even have one of those? They are perfectly safe. From me anyway.
The idea that you and BM are gonna latch onto a joke and go with it is so awful. It's like when I tried to get OpZ lynched last game by saying his jokes about being mafia were so he could brag after the game and laugh in mafia irc.
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I love how the sum total of info we've gotten from Xelin is something I posted in the thread like 12 hours earlier.
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