EPTOn August 17 2010 11:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
who all was pushing larjarse's lynch?
who all was pushing larjarse's lynch?
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On August 17 2010 23:42 youngminii wrote: Wait why is the ninja hitting the medic? I don't understand this at all. If you were ninja, wouldn't you hit BC so that you would win the game? I'm assuming he's going to hit you and win the game, unless you're working with a medic that's going to protect you, which I doubt. Hmm... I doubt you're scum pretending to be ninja 'cause that'll just cause other ninjas to hit you. I don't know.. Btw amber FoS = finger of suspicion. Young, he lied about his check last night in exchange for the other Ninja's information. He said SR was the RB. This was a lie as he was townie so he know he dies tonight. He is angry that he is going to lose, so he is trying to lash out at the town for what he perceives as an injustice towards him. You could say that he has decided assisting the mafia is the best course of action for him. no doubt we will find his corpse in the morning. | ||
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On August 18 2010 12:00 LSB wrote: Haha, What happened to the plan anyways? I got a hold of the Role list and I was :'( I think 1/2 the trackers followed the plan. Chez and I did our own thing because we are rebels like that  I had actually sent my target in already, hence why I pushed for the plan to not be used but it was too late. Someone later told me you can change your target but at the time I was unaware of this. | ||
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On August 18 2010 12:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Actually, you would have won. My part in getting you lynched was you lying about your role + confirming my legitimacy to xelin as ninja. You claimed 4 total ninja to rasta and claimed ninja to him, but then claimed like green to one or two others. So I told xelin you were fake claiming ninja and had claimed green. Then you claimed something to him, and he + others talked in pm land and you then were lynched. I honestly thought you were being a reallly stupid red or the like. Had you however told rasta the correct amount of total ninja I'd have shot you just in case. Had you not been lynched youd have easily won it. Of course I wouldn't have told who he is the number had been right. of course shortly after that I realized you could have been faking me out by giving me the wrong number so I would mistrust my ninja and reveal him to you. I should have checked with him first when I learned the #s didn't match up. Did you realize he was the person who was my ninja before all that? | ||
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On August 18 2010 12:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I knew it was him or pyrr based on in thread posting then pyrr told me you claimed ninja (wtf?) so I figured Pandain was lying. I am pretty sure He would have offed me since i would have checked him first. Or he would have shot bm or the like. Bah! I realized based on last game, how easy pro-town circles are to pick out. The mafia knows they have to hide it so they try to blend, but town players know they are legit so they are more open. Also they are working on ideas together so they will naturally agree since they have worked out differences before hand. Another thing I noticed but didn't investigate is posting times. After they were revealed I went back through and saw times where we had mafia swapping posts. Now this happens legitimately too, but it could be looked at since mafia will try and organize times to be on together. It was something I was worried about last game when i changed my posting habits to be up later to fit in with my teams schedule. My early mafia reads weren't too well, but I am surprised that all my early town reads were legitimate. As the game progressed and i got more information from some of the better players it was easier to pinpoint mafia then. It was risky, but allying myself with Foolishness first thing day 2 (gambling that he wasn't GF) was the best move I probably could have made. The early game (day 2 start) was crazy fun because there was so much information and I was able to work a lot using logic rather analysis (which is MUCH harder) Chezinu wasn't lying because he called BC out on his post about visiting someone. If he had been mafia fake claiming he wouldn't have targeted someone who specifically said they had gone out. Xelins continual calling for watchers meant we didn't have any making it more likely that all 4 tracker claims were legit. Xelin's group asked me to track BB to get confirmed which meant he was most likely claiming to hatter. LOL, if this had been followed through on then we might have caught the GF much earlier. BC was in the town circle, day2 but hadn't gone out that night so obviously he had to be a ninja. Pyrr actually had told me his claim when he believed I was the ninja so this was more of a confirmation, but I hope I would have spotted it regardless I had Opz and Xelin mixed up though. I knew for that many of the circle to be confirmed without a watcher, one of them had to be a tracker and one a nozy neighbor. I thought Xelin was a tracker as well and had tracked Opz that night but it was the other way around (Occams razon would have helped me here) Foolishness and I weren't in the main town circle so we worked on figuring out the roles. It was funny but the poor blue sniping actually started being a major factor in peoples confirmations for me. If the mafia had gotten more blues early on I think the circles would have fallen apart with infighting. Me getting blocked the 2nd night was too funny, it made the circle very suspicious of me. I was lucky that I had been pretty pro-town or I might have gotten lynched that night. I was really sad that I couldn't stop the Pandain and SouthRawrea lynches. I was certain both were innocent but couldn't convince enough other people. Logically both were sound (A liar and a RCed mafia RB) but I was certain neither actually was red. Some things I learned this game -It is easier to read pro-town than mafia, but just eliminating some suspects can really help. -Town plan's can go horribly awry -Be careful with assumptions. (some of the very worst assumptions day 1 were mine. thanks for making me look stupid flamewheel .-Peoples previous pasting habits is one of the biggest clues to alignment (less about quantity and more about style). -Just get out there and talk, you can learn a lot just by having conversations with people. -There is always information, the lack thereof can be information as well. Thanks everyone who played it was very fun. Foolishness and BloodyC0bbler thanks for pointing me in the right direction and helping me with my analysis. Edit - Also my previous post this game put me over 500. Yay I am contributing | ||
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On August 19 2010 02:40 Ace wrote: So my original statement from months ago is correct? BC in a PM setup = broken?  Yes! On August 19 2010 03:33 flamewheel wrote: I have this hatred, and one of the biggest things is "what sort of plan can town come up with on day 1." Regardless, Watchers are stupid. And having no detectives is lulz. I love the fact that you messed with the role counts. No DT, no watcher, no Vig, and 4 trackers. | ||
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On August 19 2010 03:49 Bill Murray wrote: I feel like the mafia needed a doctor in this Well town only had 1 KP role, and even with the ninja help only 1 died at night. Flamewheel, can you clarify on the tracking roleblockers/framers? In the response I got back from you I thought you said they return the night kill, but one of the other trackers later said that no, it returns the action that they took. | ||
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On August 19 2010 04:01 Bill Murray wrote: not solely for protection, but there needed to be more movement with 4 trackers or people will be confirmed fast (especially when the framer died). The roleblocker can be deduced fairly easily, but a doctor would have been a safer scum role Gotcha, I would like to know for sure how that works because as I said up above my understanding is that the tracker still got the night kill. | ||
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On August 19 2010 12:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: how do I get better at town? We need Ver's town guide.I may not be the best person to judge, but you were very pro-town. We all knew you were without checking you. I think since you were just a normal townie though, you ended up out of the loop on a lot information the blue/black roles had. Xelin got lucky since he was the one checked but other than than that townies didn't have a whole lot to do since everything migrated to PM land by day 3. I hated the way the whole pandain lynch went down because I was hoping to keep up the charade of being a ninja longer with you so I could feed you information without having to reveal my role. | ||
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On August 20 2010 03:16 tree.hugger wrote: I'm somewhat glad I got out when I did. Freed up a lot of time, and things pretty much went south after that. But seriously? Me as a ninja? Poor call. Biggest mafia triumph? When XeliN said "Well at least now BB is confirmed." Biggest failure? Foolishness reading us like a book day one and two. He sent me a PM that listed four of us as under suspicion. Also, after my death, people were speculating about my motivations... but in pretty much every one of my posts and pm's, I was only trying to say exactly what I was thinking as a townie. The Pandain lynch was a terrible play. We should've lynched youngminii. If town had just listened to me from the start, you would've won much sooner! That said, GG WP town. I have a PM somewhere in which I listed you to Foolishness regarding opinions on plans day 1 or 2 and said you were close to the boarder line on being included and he said you were probably innocent so no need to add you. So you at least got past his radar. Yeah his reads were scary accurate. | ||
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