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On August 13 2010 02:07 BrownBear wrote:
I have reason to believe rastaban is lying about getting roleblocked. I am voting for him until he 'splains himself.
very interesting, seeing as the only way to doubt my claim is to either know the mafia pulled there roleblock (assuming they can/would) which only mafia would know. OR to know someone else who was roleblocked. As anyone can be RBed claiming it doesn't reveal anything about you. As such there is 0 reason for someone to hold back on this claim.
As such I have no 'splaining I can do since all I am doing is relaying the PM I received.
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On August 13 2010 02:15 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 02:13 rastaban wrote:On August 13 2010 02:07 BrownBear wrote:
I have reason to believe rastaban is lying about getting roleblocked. I am voting for him until he 'splains himself. very interesting, seeing as the only way to doubt my claim is to either know the mafia pulled there roleblock (assuming they can/would) which only mafia would know. OR to know someone else who was roleblocked. As anyone can be RBed claiming it doesn't reveal anything about you. As such there is 0 reason for someone to hold back on this claim. As such I have no 'splaining I can do since all I am doing is relaying the PM I received. I'm not sayin' anything until my contacts give me the okay, but I'm just noticing how your roleblock was veeeery convenient for you...
I also noticed how your circle blues didn't get hit, being as I know the roles of most of the people in it I don't think it would have fared so well if I was passing the information off to the mafia.
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wow, I think I just found a scum by looking at some posts. It isn't someone out of the blue, but I need to check a little more to be sure. I don't have a whole lot of time atm, but I will try and have something as soon as possible.
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Ok, not a surprise, and a lot of people have already suspected him, but I want to add some hard evidence to back up the suspicions
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and hopefully convince Xelin and co. to not lynch someone last minute at random instead.
Here I present my case against none other than Bumatlarge
+ Show Spoiler +Post from last game day 1:On July 18 2010 12:47 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 12:29 tree.hugger wrote:
Also, I'd like to once again push the plan of creating a list of FIVE or FOUR inactive players, and then using a random number generator to determine the lynch target. There are many ways we can do this, whether by using the amount of games SKT manages to take off of CJ tonight (well, we'd have to assign 0 to somebody) or some other random metric. Hell, someone could even stream it on their livestream.
One could argue about the likeliness of certain outcomes, so I think using an RNG would be alot better  Post from this game day 1On August 06 2010 12:24 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:03 Bill Murray wrote:
I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead.
I am voting not for randomness, but because I actually believe Divinek is Mafia. RNG is pure evil, agreed. Yeah lynch divinek! But I guess in his defense, he posts like that normally. Look at last game, it may seem like hes trying to create a persona as town, but I think you should judge him based the direction of his posts in general. He just comes off that way because he is a fa + Show Spoiler +But by all means, lets lynch him first if no inactives rear their ugly and obvious head.
So when he was town he claims RNG is "alot better"
This game he says "RNG is pure evil"
Am I reading this wrong? I wanted to review more of his posts but I think this alone might be enough to lynch on. It doesn’t matter at this point if RNG is better or not, that isn't the point. When he is town he believes it is "alot better" and now one game later he says it is evil, that isn't slowly changing your mind that is a major flip!
Since I reviewed all his posts last games I have a pretty good read on his town play, I wanted go through all his posts this game and see if there are more discrepancies.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 10:01 bumatlarge wrote:I think BM defending can seem scummy in a certain light, but honestly I dont think he is scum from what Ive seen. His posts are fluffy, but I think he would be a bit more careful if he was red. Ill try to gather some things on him if im alive after the night. Hopefully im on the lesser end of the KP spectrum
Never actually followed through, very typical scum play. (see last game where I claim I will switch my joke vote on citizen but then don’t since everyone up for lynch was town I wanted to leave my vote spread out. And this makes
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 11:47 bumatlarge wrote:Oh wow Pyrr, I got the same exact PM from LSB, that PM WHORE! Also, LSB and I got talking before he died, and I guess since night is over and we hopefully have some blues communicating, I can safely post this. Show nested quote +Sorry, I forgot Chez pmed me in response to my mass PM He sent me this video (I feel noob. Somehow I didn't get the connection between Chez and Chezinu) I responded with the good old "i can play this game too" response Chez/his puppet sounds like the're with Flamewheel, trying to make a memorable Mafia XXX. Sounds fun Sorry :S ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Chez aint the only one with mind games Im thinking he has to be a power role now whether or not hes scum. But he is Chezinu, so I wouldnt put it past him to just do this as a vanilla. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: FFFFFFFF. Chez never talked to me. You can handle this right? Just don't let Chez know we were talking. And string him along, putting the information where it belongs Yeah, I'm the one pushing the plan, Foolishness contacts me with a scummy post, assuming I'm a 14 year year old noob. I probably won't die because Foolishness thinks I'm working with him ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol holy shit, chez told me that he told you he was a DT, but told me he is actually a tracker... God damn you really think you are going to die? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Careful there, Chez hasn't talked to me at all. Don't tell me anything. Always a good habit to get into. *Fingers crossed* *knocks on wood* <--- My friend always does that, I'll give it a try ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Absolutely, I actually was talking with bill Murray about divine, not sure about misder, but this really sparks it. And btw Chez told me his "information" also. He told me some stuff, but dont say anything to me that he might have confided in you. Hopefully the watcher is good ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Okay, I am sending this to you in case I die. You are not the only person I am sending this to. All I ask is that if I die, can you post this message? Think of it as my will. I will reveal this tomorrow. I played along with Foolishness because I need to survive. If I do not die, just don't do anything with this, Please. I'll whip it out Day 2 if my plan went well. I also suspect Divenk/Misder are mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=11#202, read below he sounds fake. Forgive me, I'm paranoid Message below Foolishness sounds scummy ------------------------------------------------ yessir. Here's what we can do first. Get a list together of everyone that's commented on your plan. We want to find people who have pointed out minor flaws in your plan without saying much else (most likely mafia). People who actively criticize your plan are probably town (they don't want the town to enact some stupid plan), and people who try to improve your plan are probably town as well. If someone makes a moot post pointing out a flaw or passively agreeing to it, they are top suspect. Obviously it's night time and not a lot of people are around so we're not going to have a lot of data, but it'll be a start. Let me know what you find. We'll then figure out someone for you to start PMing with. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Sure, I'll help you Of course, you're going along with the plan right? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hello, I am Foolishness I am asking you to help me in finding the mafia among the lurkers. I have sent this PM to you because I think you can help me out. It is crucial for us, as the town, to use PMing to our advantage to weed out the mafia members. Although no plan is foolproof, I ask if you are willing to PM other players in order to get them to slip up. There are some people that would act differently if I were to PM them, since I am apparently a figurehead for this game. There's also a limit to the amount of people I am able to keep track of through PMs (and right now it's a lot). The benefits are great, and as long as you run things by me the risks are small. I look forward to hearing from you Foolishness ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hello, I am LSB. I am asking you to follow this plan for night one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=43#845I have sent this PM to everyone playing Mafia XXX. In order for us to succeed, we need to work together. Although no plan is foolproof, I ask that you go though and review it. We could not find any way that the mafia could slip and disrupt it. I believe the plan speaks for itself. The benifts are great, and the risks are small Feel free to PM me if you have any questions LSB
I think we may have found real reason LSB died. Sure he pushed for the plan but he wasn’t even part of it, and killing him would only legitimize it. But here we have a PM that says tried to implicate Divinek (a known townie now) and others as scum. The mafia knew who wasn’t scum so this is great for them to be able to post spreading suspicion around.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. On August 10 2010 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The fact that you play angry, jump to conclusions and generally are very unhelpful doesnt help either. @KF: BB can still be vanilla, as I think someone stated that people are told if they are waxed no matter their role. Also, can mafia refuse to RB? On August 10 2010 01:50 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote:On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. Pretty sure BM *isn't mafia. On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. On August 10 2010 03:09 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. Just saying dont generalize everyoen who has disagreed with young as 'confirmed' if he is mafia. I mean everyone seems to be butting heads, I wouldnt put it past scum to do the same thing, especially with someone like young. Artanis, this is the only plausible plan for scum to put foolish as a reg mafia is if when a watcher and DT check, watcher would assume the DT is framer or foolish is red. As watcher I would push foolish, if not claim, because then watcher can get a confirmed DT, or confirmed framer. The watcher would then get priority med protection while foolish gets lynched OR framer still frames foolish even when hes scum, and he would get himself killed, while the framer would have to fake a active blue role the rest of the game. Both the framer and DT would be unknown to each other andif framer doesnt claim DT he would be lynched before the DT. If he does claim DT, watcher can confuse either by asking them to check each other or a random person. The framer would have to guess DT, while the DT checks normally regardless of who it is. Likelihood of 3 DTs is very small, so watcher would point at the liar, netting 2 scum and keeping the DT safe. I see no reason for foolish to not choose GF, as he only sacrifices himself for towny confusion if he isnt lynched immediately. If watcher, DT and framer all target foolish, then previous situation, assuming framer overrides GF.Other blues would have to not act, and multiple watchers or DTs would not hinder the situation. I think... it might be better to try with BB, because its assumed GF picks veteran? if foolish is a vet or GF, then the probability of BB being a more unique role without being GF increases the likelihood of his innocence. The more people who put themselves forward in situations that would require the GF role get away with, the better the chances that one of them are legitimate. Is this logic sound? My head hurts someone else think for me.
Here we have a series of posts between tree.hugger and bumatlarge. Both are pushing for the YM lynch and saying BM is probably legit. Remember we still haven’t gotten that promised post analysis on why he is legit from bumatlarge. The interesting thing is the way he quickly calls out the line about being confirmed. When I was mafia last game we would specificly look for things like that in each other’s posts to call them on to create a fake sense of conflict. We would be in IRC saying things like, that is a good post but I will call you on such and such so make sure you are ready to defend it.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2010 23:27 bumatlarge wrote:
I cant really put my finger on the BM and Foolishness arguement, but I guess Im in no place to talk since i "didnt roleclaim"
Im going to put my vote on xelin until he rectifies this. On August 13 2010 01:02 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 23:27 bumatlarge wrote:
I cant really put my finger on the BM and Foolishness arguement, but I guess Im in no place to talk since i "didnt roleclaim"
Im going to put my vote on xelin until he rectifies this. Why? The framer is dead and no blue roles were sniped. On August 13 2010 01:09 bumatlarge wrote:
Because he is screwing me over. I dont want to be default lynch because he doesnt remember who roleclaimed. Ill switch my vote to whoever he wants as soon as he fixes it.
His is trying to get Xelin a confirmed townie lynched, and his reasoning is because he thinks his claim wasn’t handled right? Why not try and find scum instead.
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So this game we have 2 lies, missing content, all his big posts are just PM lists. Now let me mention for a moment what isn’t here. Content and Humor. The last game I played I was scum and tasked with analyzing bumatlarge (reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=131#2613).
He was so pro-town that I couldn’t frame him even though I wanted to. In the end the closest I could get was to say he was 12% scum. Anything more and I felt it was too risky. This game it isn’t hard to notice the difference. How did someone go from such strong town play to now being caught in lies and heavy suspicion?
As I went through his posts this game, they lacked a lot of his characteristic humor that he used last game. This seems like a minor thing, but they all point to a change in his playing method. Why, I believe it is because he is mafia this time around.
It is for these reasons that I will be voting for Bumatlarge.
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Grrr after re-reading the first part a couple times I may have misinterpreted it. It could possibly mean that he prefers randomly picking which inactive to lynch in the first one and the second one he means he doesn't like randomly picking from everyone day one. Still it seems pretty questionable but I may have overreached since I thought it was a blatant scum lie immediately. I would still like to here from you Bumatlarge on all these points.
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On August 14 2010 01:46 bumatlarge wrote:
Quote where I say BM is probably legit.
On August 09 2010 10:01 bumatlarge wrote:
I think BM defending can seem scummy in a certain light, but honestly I dont think he is scum from what Ive seen. His posts are fluffy, but I think he would be a bit more careful if he was red. Ill try to gather some things on him if im alive after the night. Hopefully im on the lesser end of the KP spectrum
You say right here you "honestly" don't think he is scum. I would assume that means he is probably town (or ninja) which I would classify as "legit". There are other posts where you argue for YM over BM as well. Why are you so worried about this line? I agreed with you, I wanted to go after YM not BM. I will say I think BM is legit... though if you are red I will have to seriously reconsider.
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On August 14 2010 02:05 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 01:25 rastaban wrote:
Grrr after re-reading the first part a couple times I may have misinterpreted it. It could possibly mean that he prefers randomly picking which inactive to lynch in the first one and the second one he means he doesn't like randomly picking from everyone day one. Still it seems pretty questionable but I may have overreached since I thought it was a blatant scum lie immediately. I would still like to here from you Bumatlarge on all these points. I did agree with tree that RNGing an inactive is preferable instead of by PL. I actually wanted to implement a perfect RNG Method, where two people generate numbers, PM them to someone, he adds them together and goes through the list (if it went over, it would go back to the start and continue) and bam we have a target. The PM guy would post numbers to ensure no foul play. It sounded so convoluted that I didnt bother posting it... Id rather divine then some other random person at that point. I would have killed him first night if I could >=] alright maybe as a vig I would have waited, for towns sake.
I agree with you there, Divinek had the scummiest posting I have seen this game. I would have pushed for his lynch day 2 if Foolishness hadn't assured me he was green and contributing behind the scenes.
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Ahh the rich taste of mafia tears... Sorry bum :D
Welcome Ace.
Mafia is down to 2 KP, so GO town!
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Here is mine Ace:
On August 14 2010 01:14 rastaban wrote:Ok, not a surprise, and a lot of people have already suspected him, but I want to add some hard evidence to back up the suspicions + Show Spoiler +
and hopefully convince Xelin and co. to not lynch someone last minute at random instead.
Post from last game day 1:On July 18 2010 12:47 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 12:29 tree.hugger wrote:
Also, I'd like to once again push the plan of creating a list of FIVE or FOUR inactive players, and then using a random number generator to determine the lynch target. There are many ways we can do this, whether by using the amount of games SKT manages to take off of CJ tonight (well, we'd have to assign 0 to somebody) or some other random metric. Hell, someone could even stream it on their livestream.
One could argue about the likeliness of certain outcomes, so I think using an RNG would be alot better Post from this game day 1On August 06 2010 12:24 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:03 Bill Murray wrote:
I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead.
I am voting not for randomness, but because I actually believe Divinek is Mafia. RNG is pure evil, agreed. Yeah lynch divinek! But I guess in his defense, he posts like that normally. Look at last game, it may seem like hes trying to create a persona as town, but I think you should judge him based the direction of his posts in general. He just comes off that way because he is a fa + Show Spoiler +But by all means, lets lynch him first if no inactives rear their ugly and obvious head.
So when he was town he claims RNG is "alot better"
This game he says "RNG is pure evil"
Am I reading this wrong? I wanted to review more of his posts but I think this alone might be enough to lynch on. It doesn’t matter at this point if RNG is better or not, that isn't the point. When he is town he believes it is "alot better" and now one game later he says it is evil, that isn't slowly changing your mind that is a major flip!
Since I reviewed all his posts last games I have a pretty good read on his town play, I wanted go through all his posts this game and see if there are more discrepancies.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 10:01 bumatlarge wrote:I think BM defending can seem scummy in a certain light, but honestly I dont think he is scum from what Ive seen. His posts are fluffy, but I think he would be a bit more careful if he was red. Ill try to gather some things on him if im alive after the night. Hopefully im on the lesser end of the KP spectrum
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 11:47 bumatlarge wrote:Oh wow Pyrr, I got the same exact PM from LSB, that PM WHORE! Also, LSB and I got talking before he died, and I guess since night is over and we hopefully have some blues communicating, I can safely post this. Show nested quote +Sorry, I forgot Chez pmed me in response to my mass PM He sent me this video (I feel noob. Somehow I didn't get the connection between Chez and Chezinu) I responded with the good old "i can play this game too" response Chez/his puppet sounds like the're with Flamewheel, trying to make a memorable Mafia XXX. Sounds fun Sorry :S ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Chez aint the only one with mind games Im thinking he has to be a power role now whether or not hes scum. But he is Chezinu, so I wouldnt put it past him to just do this as a vanilla. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: FFFFFFFF. Chez never talked to me. You can handle this right? Just don't let Chez know we were talking. And string him along, putting the information where it belongs Yeah, I'm the one pushing the plan, Foolishness contacts me with a scummy post, assuming I'm a 14 year year old noob. I probably won't die because Foolishness thinks I'm working with him ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol holy shit, chez told me that he told you he was a DT, but told me he is actually a tracker... God damn you really think you are going to die? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Careful there, Chez hasn't talked to me at all. Don't tell me anything. Always a good habit to get into. *Fingers crossed* *knocks on wood* <--- My friend always does that, I'll give it a try ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Absolutely, I actually was talking with bill Murray about divine, not sure about misder, but this really sparks it. And btw Chez told me his "information" also. He told me some stuff, but dont say anything to me that he might have confided in you. Hopefully the watcher is good ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Okay, I am sending this to you in case I die. You are not the only person I am sending this to. All I ask is that if I die, can you post this message? Think of it as my will. I will reveal this tomorrow. I played along with Foolishness because I need to survive. If I do not die, just don't do anything with this, Please. I'll whip it out Day 2 if my plan went well. I also suspect Divenk/Misder are mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=11#202, read below he sounds fake. Forgive me, I'm paranoid Message below Foolishness sounds scummy ------------------------------------------------ yessir. Here's what we can do first. Get a list together of everyone that's commented on your plan. We want to find people who have pointed out minor flaws in your plan without saying much else (most likely mafia). People who actively criticize your plan are probably town (they don't want the town to enact some stupid plan), and people who try to improve your plan are probably town as well. If someone makes a moot post pointing out a flaw or passively agreeing to it, they are top suspect. Obviously it's night time and not a lot of people are around so we're not going to have a lot of data, but it'll be a start. Let me know what you find. We'll then figure out someone for you to start PMing with. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Sure, I'll help you Of course, you're going along with the plan right? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hello, I am Foolishness I am asking you to help me in finding the mafia among the lurkers. I have sent this PM to you because I think you can help me out. It is crucial for us, as the town, to use PMing to our advantage to weed out the mafia members. Although no plan is foolproof, I ask if you are willing to PM other players in order to get them to slip up. There are some people that would act differently if I were to PM them, since I am apparently a figurehead for this game. There's also a limit to the amount of people I am able to keep track of through PMs (and right now it's a lot). The benefits are great, and as long as you run things by me the risks are small. I look forward to hearing from you Foolishness ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hello, I am LSB. I am asking you to follow this plan for night one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=43#845I have sent this PM to everyone playing Mafia XXX. In order for us to succeed, we need to work together. Although no plan is foolproof, I ask that you go though and review it. We could not find any way that the mafia could slip and disrupt it. I believe the plan speaks for itself. The benifts are great, and the risks are small Feel free to PM me if you have any questions LSB On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. On August 10 2010 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The fact that you play angry, jump to conclusions and generally are very unhelpful doesnt help either. @KF: BB can still be vanilla, as I think someone stated that people are told if they are waxed no matter their role. Also, can mafia refuse to RB? On August 10 2010 01:50 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote:On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. Pretty sure BM *isn't mafia. On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. On August 10 2010 03:09 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. Just saying dont generalize everyoen who has disagreed with young as 'confirmed' if he is mafia. I mean everyone seems to be butting heads, I wouldnt put it past scum to do the same thing, especially with someone like young. Artanis, this is the only plausible plan for scum to put foolish as a reg mafia is if when a watcher and DT check, watcher would assume the DT is framer or foolish is red. As watcher I would push foolish, if not claim, because then watcher can get a confirmed DT, or confirmed framer. The watcher would then get priority med protection while foolish gets lynched OR framer still frames foolish even when hes scum, and he would get himself killed, while the framer would have to fake a active blue role the rest of the game. Both the framer and DT would be unknown to each other andif framer doesnt claim DT he would be lynched before the DT. If he does claim DT, watcher can confuse either by asking them to check each other or a random person. The framer would have to guess DT, while the DT checks normally regardless of who it is. Likelihood of 3 DTs is very small, so watcher would point at the liar, netting 2 scum and keeping the DT safe. I see no reason for foolish to not choose GF, as he only sacrifices himself for towny confusion if he isnt lynched immediately. If watcher, DT and framer all target foolish, then previous situation, assuming framer overrides GF.Other blues would have to not act, and multiple watchers or DTs would not hinder the situation. I think... it might be better to try with BB, because its assumed GF picks veteran? if foolish is a vet or GF, then the probability of BB being a more unique role without being GF increases the likelihood of his innocence. The more people who put themselves forward in situations that would require the GF role get away with, the better the chances that one of them are legitimate. Is this logic sound? My head hurts someone else think for me.
Here we have a series of posts between tree.hugger and bumatlarge. Both are pushing for the YM lynch and saying BM is probably legit. Remember we still haven’t gotten that promised post analysis on why he is legit from bumatlarge. The interesting thing is the way he quickly calls out the line about being confirmed. When I was mafia last game we would specificly look for things like that in each other’s posts to call them on to create a fake sense of conflict. We would be in IRC saying things like, that is a good post but I will call you on such and such so make sure you are ready to defend it.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2010 23:27 bumatlarge wrote:
I cant really put my finger on the BM and Foolishness arguement, but I guess Im in no place to talk since i "didnt roleclaim"
Im going to put my vote on xelin until he rectifies this. On August 13 2010 01:02 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 23:27 bumatlarge wrote:
I cant really put my finger on the BM and Foolishness arguement, but I guess Im in no place to talk since i "didnt roleclaim"
Im going to put my vote on xelin until he rectifies this. Why? The framer is dead and no blue roles were sniped. On August 13 2010 01:09 bumatlarge wrote:
Because he is screwing me over. I dont want to be default lynch because he doesnt remember who roleclaimed. Ill switch my vote to whoever he wants as soon as he fixes it.
His is trying to get Xelin a confirmed townie lynched, and his reasoning is because he thinks his claim wasn’t handled right? Why not try and find scum instead.
SUMMARY
So this game we have 2 lies, missing content, all his big posts are just PM lists. Now let me mention for a moment what isn’t here. Content and Humor. The last game I played I was scum and tasked with analyzing bumatlarge (reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=131#2613).
He was so pro-town that I couldn’t frame him even though I wanted to. In the end the closest I could get was to say he was 12% scum. Anything more and I felt it was too risky. This game it isn’t hard to notice the difference. How did someone go from such strong town play to now being caught in lies and heavy suspicion?
As I went through his posts this game, they lacked a lot of his characteristic humor that he used last game. This seems like a minor thing, but they all point to a change in his playing method. Why, I believe it is because he is mafia this time around.
It is for these reasons that I will be voting for Bumatlarge.
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On August 14 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:
Oh I guess so then. So a DT could just check him in a future night. But I'd still like to hear the plan that got him confirmed.
Also is there any other relevant information I need to know detailing bumatlarge, like who else pushed for his lynch?
Also how did Divinek become confirmed townie? Was it confirmed via his death or before that?
There are reports of up to 4 trackers in this game (don't know how many confirmed) so I assume that is how he is confirmed. Since the framer doesn't affect tracking, if he went anywhere that night but the kill, he would be confirmed. (GF would just be shown staying at home).
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Thanks boyscout who ever you are, I live because of you were always prepared
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Part 1: Voting evidence on iNfuNdiBuLuM
I was looking at the voting records and we have Misder and Tree both really pushing for YM's lynch so I am suspecting he "may" be legit. but more importantly I found something very odd.
Day 2 lynch it is between YM and BM
Then all of a sudden the "Pandain" wagon forms. Infun has the choice of those three candidates. What does he do? He votes Abstain... and then he changes it to himself.
Now Day 4 comes along and everyone begins to see the summiness of bum. The wagon forms on Bum he is about to be lynched and what happens?
iNfuNdiBuLuM waits till the last second and votes YM.
Why?? There were almost 0 new arguments for YM yesterday. so what made him change his mind. He went from abstaining in the previous vote tally when YM had a chance of being lynched to voting him the following day.
I make the case that he abstained for one reason on the second day. He knew the mafia had people on pandain's and YM's wagons and wanted to spread his vote. He votes for himself so he wouldn't show up.
I present to you that on the following day he sees him teamate headed towards the noose. He wants to help, but knows he has to wait for the right moment to sway the votes. As he waits the mob grows larger and larger trying to lynch bum. He waits until the last moment (Flamewheel warns that if he doesn't post he will be modkilled, minutes later he votes) Knowing he has no hope of changing things he tries to conceal his vote in the other wagon. If he had really felt like YM was scum he would have voted for him the previous day.
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Part 2:The talking experiment
For your convenience I have compiled a list of every post from known mafia members referencing Infundibulum I found it very interesting. The list hear includes any most made that had the word "Infundibulum" in it no matter how deeply nested in quotes or spoilers, I hope you find it just as enlightening as I.
Bumatlarge:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 14:54 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 14:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 14:26 Foolishness wrote:On August 09 2010 14:24 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 09 2010 14:08 youngminii wrote:
Why are we voting Divinek?
If we're gonna vote for someone completely random with no plan and no hard evidence I suggest foolishness. If he really is Vet, well he's lost his usefulness since he already soaked up a hit but I think he's scum trying to look active and pointing fingers everywhere. Obviously I have no evidence so if people want to vote someone else, be my guest but there's as much chance that foolishness is scum as Divinek/BM being scum.
Better get rid of foolishness now if he really is fake claiming then trust him later (assuming he is scum). Are you kidding me? If he really is vet, then he is a confirmed townie. How is that useless? On August 09 2010 14:14 Bill Murray wrote:On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote:On August 09 2010 13:52 Bill Murray wrote:
@foolishness: top 3 suspects and why? youngminii: already been said. I plan on doing an indepth analysis tomorrow (I really need to go sleep shortly >.<) Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything. Chezinu: Fits the bill with youngminii (notice how youngminii is protective of Chezinu during day 1). Also I don't think you're mafia, Pyrry's not mafia, I'm not mafia, which leaves Chezinu as top candidate for balancing purposes. Infundibulum also fits for balancing since he's one of the most experienced players in this game as well. Weeding through the inactives/lurkers is a tiring and troublesome process. This gives me townie cred with you I wish people would be more open with their roles, though. I'll be back in an hour or so. So that you can hit more accurately tonight? ^^ Didn't you read his posts? I've used up my extra life so I got nothing else to live for. Forget about establishing town circles and the what not...I've lost my extra life. Therefore I am useless. So perhaps we can lynch you to confirm this? :/ is this now a joke game? Here's the deal. 1. Lynch some more inactive person like oh gee i dont know Artanis[Xp] KF91 Pandain Amber[LighT] iNfuNdiBuLuM Roffles larjarse SouthRawrea BrownBear Forgive me if they have been active but i havent seen to much of them. 2. If you really want to accuse someone, do it with one simple post. Bold their name at the top and then analyze all you want. Mafia like nothing more then when EVERY SINGLE PERSON point to the person next to them. Honestly who hasnt been accused of being a "certain scum" Just calm down, and present your argument CLEARLY. We can then democraticly discuss this and vote on a proper lynch victim. 3. We have information hopefully that mafia doesnt have. If you are a well informed town keep it to yourself unless someone is confirmed. I.E. We kill the GF, because no one is confirmed until that person is dead. Include that in your gigantic analyzing also. Thank for riding Bum airlines. On August 09 2010 15:21 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 15:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 09 2010 14:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote:On August 09 2010 13:52 Bill Murray wrote:
@foolishness: top 3 suspects and why? Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything. Yeah, I'm changing it up this game. Last game I posted a lot and got dragged into arguments and lines of thinking that ultimately didn't help the town and ended up being frustrated with myself. Since I have less time right now anyway, i'm taking a more laid back approach to this game and trying to think more analytically than emotionally. I'm sure you're not the only one to have noticed. That said I did some thinking and depending on what the tracker found, Xelin could be a confirmed innocent. Essentially, Xelin being framed to appear red doesn't matter - if Xelin is mafia and was tracked, the tracker will know that Xelin visited someone on today's kill list and ergo that he is mafia. If Xelin didn't visit anybody, then he's not mafia even if he was framed. So I don't think we need to worry about lynching Xelin. Exceptions: Xelin is Principal or Ninja, in such cases my previous logic does not apply since those roles can't be tracked. So basically this actually works out pretty well in that we have only 2 townies dead and 2 quasi-confirmed townies in Xelin and Foolishness. If a tracker speaks up, then we would all need to PM Xelin. Basically, tracker, whoever you tracked if they visited ANYONE and the person visited didn't die, you got us a confirmed townie. If they didn't visit anyone, you shouldn't pm them. GF, Ninja....Lil scary world out there. But, Tracker, if you visited Xelin, and Xelin visited someone. And given the watcher watched Xelin....We should have one hell of a town circle. VARY NICE?! So once Tracker posts that he followed Xelin...Should we mass claim to Xelin? We dont have the number of roles, BUT we can assume by balance.... Not sure if im following... You realize mafia might have framer and roleblocker, right?
Tree.hugger
+ Show Spoiler +On August 10 2010 03:36 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
honestly i kind of want to lynch BC for smurfing All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:02 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 02:59 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 10 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 00:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
Mafia IMHO at this point. Most of these aren't backed up entirely, just feelings I'm getting in order from most to least suspicious.
Foolishness
Bill Murray
DTA
Brownbear
Chezinu
Divinek
If you wonder why I would even consider that they have that many experienced players, then consider the fact the game itself has quite a few as well as the fact that the game seems to have gone seamlessly for mafia with the town taking no real action. I'd just like to put my list out there. seriously duuuuuude dont post feelings post reasons poking at shit like that makes you look really scum, because it looks like you're just trying to fan the flames onto other people. Not that i believe you're scum or anything this game, yet. It just doesnt help at all. Was just checking for reactions to see if there was anyone sheeping along haha. Oh and for the post on top of this page, I meant Youngminii. Why are there so many for youngminii? if you read the thread you shall see Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming? Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him.
Misder
+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2010 09:39 Misder wrote:PMs from/to Foolishness + Show Spoiler +Can you vote youngminii?
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Who else do you think is in the mafia? I will try to do analysis to the people on the list. Probably one that is newer cause you know the older ones much better.
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VayeshMoru is BloodyCobbler, he accidentally gave it away.
If you haven't done so, please vote for youngminii, we need to keep the pressure up to find out for sure what alignment he is. The earlier we do it the better, since if he defends himself well (which he hasn't so far) we'll have enough time to switch to somebody else.
I could see Roffles being a ninja, but not DTA. I think DTA is just a townie this game, but I haven't had time to focus on any of these two players so this is just inital thoughts.
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Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game.
The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not.
As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry.
On different people, does it seem to you that roffles and DTA are ninjas? And what do you think of VayeshMoru? Do you think he is a smurf, and if so, of who?
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Yeah, I still say do the analysis anyways. It's night time now but don't take too long. This is also his 3rd game according to your list. I only played in one with him (I died first night) so I have no idea what he did in the other game.
We must be careful to account for actual improvement. Yes, he did spam a lot when he was a townie. He got criticized harshly for it. I'd expect him to tone it down a little bit as he'd figure too much is too much at some point.
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I'm sorry. I didn't have time to do what you requested. I will probably be able to do it tomorrow during the night in the game where I won't be doing much anyways.
My analysis without going actually looking for stuff: During the last mafia game in which I was with youngminii in, I was always thinking of lynching him if it wasn't for being a confirmed townie. I think this game he's a bit more passive, but he did spam a lot in the beginning of the day. I think that he's afraid to make a mistake and get lynched. I'm inclined to say that he is mafia or a blue role just because he is more cautious, but you never know.
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Okay. I think this is love1another's second game cause I seem to remember seeing his name before.
It's only the first day, should frankly you don't have a lot to of by in terms of trusting me. But right now I'm providing you a way to analyze people based on their past games. If I was mafia I'm pretty much helping you find my allies.
youngminii looks the most interesting right now. What you can do is go look at his past 2 games and read his posts, then compare to what he's doing this game. I've played one game with him so I sort of know a bit about it but that's it. Look at what his role was each game and compare to this one.
Things you might want to consider are: frequency of posting, length of posts (lengthy posts compared to one-liners), interaction with other players (does he yell at others or is he passive?). I know he kinda has a big ego, so look to make sure that's consistent through all his games.
I won't be able to catch up on the thread until close to day end unfortunately.
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New
VayeshMoru
love1another
LSB
larjarse
2nd mafia game
Pandain
SouthRawrea
3rd mafia game
Divinek
youngminii
rastaban
Misder
Artanis[xp], bumatlarge, Jayme, Hesmyrr all have more than 3 games
I think this is right. Question: why should I trust you?
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yeah yeah whatever, we got some work to do.
Right now I'm trying to draw a preliminary mafia list. Kinda hard cause nobody's sticking out this game (compared to last game I had 2 mafia members pegged relatively easily, of course I was totally wrong about 2 others I thought for sure as well).
Here's what you can do to help the both of us right now. Get a list together of everyone in the game who has never played before. Then get a list of people who this is their second or third game.
I ask you this because there are multiple people here I am not very familiar with, including yourself. Getting their records straight would be beneficial.
To start, the people I know well (so you don't have to check up on them) are: Chezinu, BM, Pyrry, DTA, Xelin, Amberlight, chaoser, brownbear, KF91, infundibulum, iaaan, OPZ, tree hugger, roffles.
Anyone not on that list should have played a total of less than 3 games. Knowing which games they've played in is good because then we can compare their behavior to deduce what role they might be.
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Hey! My first PM ever besides role PMs! Youngminii and Pandain are always spamming in the previous game. They both acted pretty scummy last game, but both turned out town. I don't think that Divinek spammed last game in the beginning tho. But Divinek hates me probably because of the way I played last game, which I don't blame. I always play like that though... That leads to another question. Can you help me improve my play? I feel like I act a bit on the scummy side, even though I am town.
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Yo, we gotta get to talking eventually so better sooner than later. What do you think of the youngminii divinek Pandain trio? They have all been incredibly active and have provided enough spam to feed a family of four for a month. And I already stated that bumalarge and I do not have PMs On August 14 2010 10:06 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 09:01 Bill Murray wrote:
Since XeliN can't do it, I will:
YoungMinii has claimed vig, his target died, but he could fake that as mafia
Misder has not claimed anything at all to XeliN or anyone or hadn't when I got my list
There are WAY too many "townie" claims, and any of these is a good lynch cuz of it:
I will break them down into groups.
Likely town:
iNfuNdiBuLuM - not good for lynch imo. I trust him on this one, but I might be wrong, who knows.
pyrrhuloxia - based on meta i feel like i trust him as townie, but ~OpZ~ suspects him
Neutral/Null:
larjarse - he might be townie. he is a noob. i'm not sure if village idiot = scum here
Amber[LighT] - how can we read a townie who is inactive?
Mafia:
bumatlarge - unlikely townie imo. good lynch candidate. interested to see his flip.
misder - unclaimed, or claimed townie, idk. Likely red is Foolishness or bum is
Jayme - likely red imo
vayeshmoru - claimed townie, but maybe the GF.
does anyone know if vayeshmoru is confirmed? would like to hear about it.
couple that we with like 6 dead townies and Artanis/myself being confirmed townies/nosy neighbors and we have WAY too many "townies". I claimed to Xelin as townie, but he PMed me first. I sent it late, so I'm not sure if you got it. I'm starting to believe that larjarse is actually just a town idiot. He just has nothing to do. However, he still has not defended my post against him, so I don't think I'm going to change my vote. I think that bumalarge and youngminii are both good lynch targets; I just think that larjarse should defend himself before I change my vote. And it gives him something to do  On August 15 2010 15:23 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 14:42 Bill Murray wrote:On August 15 2010 11:54 VayeshMoru wrote:
A little birdie told me Misder is a mafia goon. He is first lynch target.
As for second, I personally advocate infundibulum, but thats up to you guys. I was pushing Misder yesterday, as I found that cute post of his where he said "foolishness would kill his team as mafia". lol I'm all for his lynch Vayesh. I was just giving the reason that Foolishness gave me. On August 15 2010 15:46 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 11:54 VayeshMoru wrote:
A little birdie told me Misder is a mafia goon. He is first lynch target.
As for second, I personally advocate infundibulum, but thats up to you guys. Alright, if someone checked me, and I came up as mafia, then I can only give one explaination; that there is another framer in the mafia. I think this makes sense, since from what I've heard, we have at least 3 trackers. I'm not sure how many of these are true, but, if flame lets the town have 3 trackers, then he may as well have given the mafia 2 framers. This is my only explanation, as I know that I am town, and I will defend myself against any more claims. And btw, VM is not confirmed. He may as well be part of the mafia, and this may be part of his plan. I'm not sure, but remember, VM is actually BC and will trick you all, just like he tricked the town last game... We shouldn't be too quick to listen to him, at all.
BC told me last game, when you make a list always include 1 mafia in it. Look at Bum's inactive list, this is the closest anyone gets to actually talking about Infun in this entire section.
Tree has 1 single post that references Infundibulum's name, and he is merely quoting a line.
Misder's posts are all third hand.
It seems strange to me that those that call out inactivity would ignore Infundibulum. In fact the three known mafia, in all their posts over the entire course of this game have only said his name ONE TIME!!!!
Why? he is there kinsman and with his hiding behind the scenes if they were to even slightly finger him he would have to come into the public spotlight and reveal his colors. The mafia not only wants to be clean, but they don't want to be linked. That is the bane of the mafia because if one falls then they all can. So they separate themselves from one another, but in doing so they are actually creating a link by virtue of the missing information. We have here a gaping hole where there should be words.
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Part 3: Addendum
+ Show Spoiler +On August 11 2010 09:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
i thought you said you weren't in the blue circle, rastaban On August 11 2010 11:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 11:32 rastaban wrote:On August 11 2010 09:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
i thought you said you weren't in the blue circle, rastaban If I was you can be sure this wouldn't have happened. I know who most of the circle is but I am just town looking in and messaging then when I can. After this maybe it is better that I wasn't part lol. I was confused because a few pages back (60 something) you said you weren't involved in the circles and then you came out and said something to the effect of "why didn't you follow the points I PMd you" but i guess that makes sense. and i'm not positive but i think there are at least 2 circles.
Since these quotes I have been RBed and Shot at (thanks friendly boyscout I <3 you) I believe he was pushing for information here believing I actually had a role and was part of the town circle.
I have checked and in thread he claims he believes Xelin and will vote pandain, but then actually changes it to abstain and then himself. He never gives any reason and is never called on it.
He was about to be modkilled day 3 for not posting, bum is about to be lynched and what is his post minutes before the lynch goes through
+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2010 10:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Hm i see. I was confused about the night hits (talked to BM about it, but his story was different from Opz post above). What Opz said made sense. That said, i'm not sure why the other two ninja (?) hits are for sure confirmed but youngminii's isn't? How do we know how many chopsticks were used?
So i guess the situation is a) one of the town hits is a liar or b) someone got hit and didn't claim it, right? Either way you guys can just track or dt check whoever you think the liar is so i don't think this is that big of a problem.
Can anyone clarify that BM and Artanis are in fact confirmed?
On August 14 2010 10:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ebwop: verify, not clarify :p
No word of the pressing lynch at hand, no opinions on why he voted YM.
I believe iNfuNdiBuLuM is Red and will be voting him alongside Misder. Lets get 2 tonight and lower the mafia KP to 1 :D
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On August 15 2010 17:57 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 08:03 Bill Murray wrote:On August 07 2010 06:43 Incognito wrote:On August 06 2010 22:29 citi.zen wrote:On August 06 2010 22:14 zeks wrote:
As much as this game is about analyzing and question everything
Its also about trust - laying out possibilities and probabilities. Townies ain't going to be able to win without communication and teamwork. Not everyones going to be a DT and have rolechecks to 100% confirm someone - for those that aren't DT you have to draw the line on who's reliable and who's not. I think eventually everyone should be reaching out to someone during the duration of the game. Right. Not even "trust", it's "calculated risk". This is what everyone does in every single mafia game, Incognito included. In this case, your calculations were wrong, primarily based on the assumptions of what other people would/should do. Also, there are different degrees to calculated risk. Plans like the one you came up with are huge and can swing the game in either direction. When the range of results is that huge, there will be people who will oppose you. All of this is applicable to what I'm trying to do here Benefits of my plan: a confirmed townie Detriments of my plan: having our tracker potentially killed, or us being confused if he is bus driven Reasons the benefits outweigh the risks: PMs If we can organize a town circle through the tracker (we're going to need our blues to focus on him via medic protection and watching), we can win this game very easily as a town.
Not sure what you are trying to do here, care to explain?
Also I am headed to bed, feel free to ask question regarding my above posts and I will answer them tomorrow.
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Foolishness knows far more about the roles people have this game then he probably should. If he was mafia you can be sure that the ridiculous luck the town has been having never would have happened. I have been working with him most of the game and his suspicions have been surprisingly accurate.
Here are a few:
He told me not to try and get Divinek lynched as he was probably town: He was, mafia would never have defended such an easy lynch
He and I both felt Bumatlarge and Misder were good lynch targets for the last few days. no way Mafia would bus 2 of there own like that.
Here are some additional reasons I defend him:
He has worked hard organizing regular townies to catch reds, forming circles of information gathering, rather than basing it off of roles (mafia wants your roles).
We have Misder openly stating he is working with foolishness in PMs, but he Vehemently denies having any PMs with bumatlarge. Mafia doesn't want linked, no way they are going to openly state they are working together.
Lastly roles were not random this game, they were Flamewheelinized. Foolishness dies night 1 every game, FW in his all knowing mercy gave Foolishness the vet role so he could finally live to see night 2. Remember the previous game was created specifically for Foolishness and he died the first night. I don't think mafia would pull a hit night 1 when they know every medic was sitting xelin due to the plan. it was like a free night to kill whoever they wanted. Even the bus driver and watchers were on xelin so there wasn't any risk of being caught either.
Plus these plans can go awry so easily (see how he is almost lynched this whole game) it was an awful first move and mafia wouldn't have made it because they gain nothing. We know it doesn't confirm him, and it just makes us more likely to lych him.
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On August 16 2010 07:47 VayeshMoru wrote:
As for "knowing" the stuff I did? you found out today. When you offered to exchange a red for a name, and instead pulled this lame stunt. You don't deserve to win BM since your actions don't help town at all. Instead you should have just offed me at night and had the game end with epic hilarity of us offing eachother.
I find the fact that he had to bribe someone to even get the name funny. The second town circle (the non-blue one) realized it early on since BC was untrackable night 1, but still ended up as part of the circle only a ninja could have done that.
Having learned that you offered the RB name for the other Ninjas name but didn't ante it up makes me doubt you knowledge. I propose the reverse. We the town control the medics, if you don't give up the RB's name before lynch. And he gets lynched and confirms that he is that role our medic will be on BC tonight. If you give up the name and he is legitimately the RBer we will but the protection on you instead. That is the best I can offer you, you have already lied to the town so you have to trust us now.
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On August 16 2010 08:01 SouthRawrea wrote:
Whew sorry back from a short trip and BOOM CALLED IT on Misder :D.
Well done, when going through his posts, half were defending himself from you
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On August 17 2010 04:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 04:19 SouthRawrea wrote:
Btw even though I know we've already got Misder, I'd just like to say that he thought earlier in the thread that I was village. Now he's voting for me? Clearly a futile attempt at moving a vote off him while trying to sheep along with town but yeah no one change your votes off either of us please. So instead of posting more suspects you try and defend yourself? -____- Best defense is a good offense. Anyway...Do you suppose Bill is lying about checking you red?
I admit I will be a little surprised if SR really does flip red, but since it is the lead we have from Bill and it gives us instant information when the the lynch triggers, it is probably the wisest choice of action.
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On August 17 2010 09:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Town. We have a choice her. We can guarantee the RBer dies tonight by lynching a hatter. Or we can lynch south and possibly get played by Bill Murray...
YOU MAKE THE DECISION NOW. ASK XELIN WHO TO VOTE FOR. I have to go. Xelin is against this plan cuz BM could of lied. But I believe it because he said it before going ape shit insane. PLZ....if South is town, Roleblocker lives and mafia has two kp. If we lynch hatter, role blocker dies and mafia has one KP. YOU DECIDE
Not sure I follow you on the hatter lynching. Are you talking about BB?
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