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Pyrrhuloxia
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On February 14 2010 10:21 Bill Murray wrote: "Mayor candidates must have a plan." My plan is to follow the majority. I will make no decisions unless it is through the active town (I hope most of the town is active). Yes, his rousing plan when he is town-aligned is to... let someone else come up with a plan. I'm failing to see how BM's past explains away how creepy his play has been thus far. | ||
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On August 07 2010 05:05 SouthRawrea wrote: I keep deleting what I type lol because I think what if Pyrrhusloxia is really a ninja, we should get him lynched so our future Town-sided ninja doesn't waste a kill. Then I think oh shit what if he's a veteran trying to get cleared for tomorrow. Then I think what if he's a red role. Then I read the day post and wonder. WTF is a bus driver ninja and does it count in the number of ninjas? If it does and Pyrr's leak was real, he should be removed from the game which he is not. So... he's lying or the bus driver ninja doesn't count/ isn't real. Time for PMing questions to flamewheel. I am not the holder of five different roles, fyi. | ||
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On August 07 2010 05:05 SouthRawrea wrote: I keep deleting what I type lol because I think what if Pyrrhusloxia is really a ninja, we should get him lynched so our future Town-sided ninja doesn't waste a kill. Then I think oh shit what if he's a veteran trying to get cleared for tomorrow. Then I think what if he's a red role. Then I read the day post and wonder. WTF is a bus driver ninja and does it count in the number of ninjas? If it does and Pyrr's leak was real, he should be removed from the game which he is not. So... he's lying or the bus driver ninja doesn't count/ isn't real. Time for PMing questions to flamewheel. I've noticed Divinek talking about how the Ninja would be breaking rules and ruining the game and would be removed from the game if he teamed up with town. I've also now noticed you talking about how if I merely posted the number of ninjas in the thread correctly I should be removed from the game. There's nothing about this in the rules description for Ninja as far as I can tell. Perhaps you two got some stern words from flamewheel in the role pm? | ||
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On August 07 2010 06:03 Pandain wrote: its not a joke... Anyway, I don't really think we need to worry about the Ninjas right now. I mean, as of right now it's not like anyone knows who the Ninjas are and until at least after this night, the Ninja's WONT talk to anyone because they don't know whether someone is a ninja or not. By joke I think South Rawrea meant that he didn't realize that those weren't actual night actions that got carried out by signed up players. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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"that's not what i was trying to do here, though, amber. i was trying to create confusion and get information out of the people who would be against roleclaiming (mafia and ninjas)." You get no info out of that because no one should trust you. Townies should shoot this down because it is hella far from safe. Mafia should shoot this down if you aren't mafia. The only ones who should shoot this down are mafia members if you aren't mafia. BM: "Do you honestly believe I expected a single person to actually roleclaim to me?" Yes, because you admit so in the next sentence and conclude this post asking for more roleclaims. Also, if you are red even one claim is helpful. If you are blue, then you would have had to get all of the claims, which it should be obvious beforehand you would never get. BM: " I did, but it was through a PM, not in the thread. Why would I ever do that in the thread?" PM is even less safe if you are mafia because then only mafia gets the info. Plus, you conclude this post saying tracker can claim in thread. BM: "I'm willing to back off of this, because it was a ploy, and now i'm going to help the town in more traditional ways." Yeah, except your new plan is almost as bad. BM: "Anyways, my plan is this: Have the tracker claim in the thread, to me, or to someone we as a collective agree upon. Have him call his shot. Afterwards, the watcher will watch the tracker and see who he visited. Bam. We have a confirmed slot." We won't have confirmed shit. Assuming the claims are real (and we can't even be sure we have one of each of these roles) we will have a role blocked tracker and no progress. Maybe if it was claimed to someone trust worthy but I don't have any 100% trustworthy candidates yet. But they sure as hell can't claim in the thread. Also, it will be so easy for someone to fake claim watcher and just say yes he saw him, or no he didn't depending on what mafia want to do, because either one is plausible. And if we have multiple claims for tracker or watcher, how would we decide to go from there? Also, if it is so smart for blues to claim in thread, and you are blue, why aren't you claiming? Maybe you could've started a bandwagon onto your plan if you showed your commitment to it. If you are blue, I hope you don't claim. But it's just another inconsistency in your logic. Also, if we are comparing i-peens my IQ is 145 and ACT was 33. Yay autism. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:05 Pandain wrote: How about we in the thread just say "okay, now all you people visit THIS GUY's" house. the people don't even have to claim. Than the watcher can meet up with the tracker and we have a town circle already. With no suicide bomber, we have no risk either. OMFG WAS THIS AN ACTUAL IDEA!?!? That might be good?????? I know, I'm scared too O.o Comments? To clarify, we in the thread just decide for the watcher and tracker to visit ???. The watcher and Tracker DOES NOT CLAIM TO ANYONE. The watcher will then be like "hey, i saw you visited this guy." and pm him. Then we already have two blues in a town circle. Yay for townnnnnnnnnn IS this a good idea? Oh my goodness I'm so excited. Hmm this might work. Roleblocker: wouldn't know who to block, so a low chance to mess things up. Even if they block a watcher or tracker, we don't know who the watcher or trackers are so we won't get suspicious of them and mislynch them. Meanwhile, the mafia won't know 100% they blocked the right person because maaaaybe someone didn't follow the plan. Framer: can't see a way they can help since they only work vs. DTs. Godfather: could put neck out and false claim which is probably better for town than if he doesn't. Mafia: They could possibly put a hit on the THIS GUY, leading to the person who sent in the hit PM showing up with the tracker(s). Prolly a good opportunity for town, here. Sooo what happens if the blues follow this: We get a framer who can claim the next day and give a list. This can be counter claimed but the real trackers can perhaps help sort things out. It could get kind of messy but a lot of mafia would have to stick out their necks to mess it up. I like it, let's do it. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:13 rastaban wrote: Hmm it almost might would work... What the watcher though doesn't know who is who... the mafia can send their roleblocker or framer that night and now they are listed as verified. at first I thought mafia could hit him but the watcher would get the name of one of the mafia so it wouldn't be beneficial. Hmm I don't straight up disagree it might be an option but needs thought out a little more... Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Oh good point, they don't have to send a hit. But that just gives us a list of people confirmed to be red or blue which should still help, I think. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517¤tpage=22#426 | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:25 rastaban wrote: Yeah I would say a tracker/watcher for a red is a good trade. I dunno if that is a good trade but it surely is if we can get a confirmation and protection circle up, too. | ||
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My unbiased and fun-inducing plan for determining THIS GUY: Roffles (4-2 Either Team) Hesmyrr (KT 4-3 SKT1) (KT 4-1 SKT1) Artanis[xp] (KT 3-4 SKT1) (KT 1-4 SKT1) They posted at least a bit so less likey ones here: Laaan (KT 4-0 SKT1) Love1Another (KT 0-4 SKT1) (If love1another gets lynched, put this on Laaan) I guess it's not too guaranteed they will die for being THIS GUY since mafia can just send roleblocker or framer so we don't need to pick from inactives but I think this will work anyway. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:46 Pandain wrote: Then we find out who a ninja is and can thus blackmail him? hehehehehehehehehehehehehe. Best part is if the tracker and watcher don't tell the town the results, cause then mafia won't know either whether they are ninja or not. But wait... that comes back to the blackmail part. Hmm.... is it wise enough. Now IS the time to start talking about what to do with ninjas if we catch one n.n Well the mafia can still roleblock the ninja. So if my interpretation is correct (I'll PM flamewheel since rastaban disagrees) the mafia could roleblock or frame THIS GUY even if he is ninja. But trackers could not show up. So the watcher could come up with a list of one person visiting and have it be a red, not a tracker. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:48 Hesmyrr wrote: *Look at the pages* *Facepalm* I forgot the ridiculous amount of posts this mafia community can drudge up within a day. Conscious stream of posts coming. This post uses extensive use of links, click underlined words for the referenced post. Pandain "Far too early to vote for someone because you think their mafia ... I still believe we should be pressuring every inactive person by threatening to lynch an inactive person." Nah, the pressuing inactive is good and well, but it doesn't mean you can't display serious suspicions alongside with the pressure. In fact discussing non-random vote on someone can produce far more interesting reads instead of discussing generic policy lynch of lurkers. At current moment I do not see much credience to BM's reasoning of attack though (basically stating manner of his post feels like scum) and claiming 'RVS' to be over could potentially be gambit to put himself in pro-town light. I'll see. Divinek immediately responding with WIFOM reasoning seems damaging to his case, but I somewhat hesitate on giving it seriously scummy read as it is still early phase of the game and I do not see a way for him to redeem himself against BM's attacks except by continually generating pro-town analysis (which can only be done after certain amount of posts were made). bumatlarge makes me feel twitchy for some reason. Basic explanatory post for all newbies -> plays devil's advocate to Bill Murray -> votes Divinek. It might as well be prod/pressure vote to see how Bill Murray/Divinek respond though, so I'll read on. I look at the voting thread and see the bandwagon hadn't gathered much steam though, so unsure how commited he was to the vote. "If you dont know where to start, just speculate about the blue roles and ideas. Scared about that? Give opinions about other ideas! Just pour your heart out and if you are completely honest, you'll gain some cred in the view of the town. EVEN IF YOU ARE A GREENIE, MAKE BELIEVE YOU ARE BLUE." This advice confuses me, probably because I don't explicitedly understand meaning behind some parts of the sentence Bill Murray Awesome, pull a fishing or pressure bandwagon upon someone and immediately reveal your intention even before lots of people had chance to respond! Negative reading here. Only pro-town motive I can see behind the post is that he found what he was looking for in one of the players responses. youngminii did not vote for Bill Murray even after pointing out above fallacy. Positive reading. On the other hand rastaban's action is somehow confusing. Post stating he is going to vote for BM (13:03) Vote for Bill Murray (13:08) Post about his vote (13:11) I don't see point behind 13:11 post besides potential effort to pre-emptively prevent people from having negative reaction to his countervote. Of course considering quality of posts here at this site I am giving it the benefit of the doubt though. Divinek "lynch all liars as they say right" WOH? rastaban I am still in favour of leveling serious accusations and putting pressure upon people day 1. Attacking someone doesn't mean the town stops pressuring lurkers. Of course I agree in absense of logical accusation the town should scurry to remove active lurkers, but just saying always lynch lurkers in d1 is far too short-sighted. If we don't get correct reads in day 1, then we just have to improve our scumhunting better. VayeshMoru VOTING THREADS ARE SCOURGE OF THE EARTH Okay, fist-shaking aside. I would really appreciate it if everyone consistently paid attention to the voting patterns and coax player into giving out his/her reasons. Though I agree with the sentiment, I am disposed to view this post in unfavourable light because action of Bill Murray, and in fact everyone, DOES need to be discussed. It kinda feels like attempt to draw some of spotlights away from BM. Bill Murray LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL One sentence: above plan only works when all PR actually trust and claim to you, which I highly doubt happening and will result in subsequent town fail. Subsequent votes and display of people's opinions about Bill Murray's action is interesting (including youngminii's too scummy to be scum opinion) I think it would be pretty beneficial when we know BM's flip. We still have two options:do we want to lynch him today, or lynch inactive today and have investigative roles check BM? Pyrrhuloxia "Also, 9 people will lie. You forgot ninjas, youngminii. So we will get at least 9 liars to pick through, 3 of which will be ninjas we don't need to kill." Just curious, why would ninjas bring unnecessary attention to themselves by claiming as PR in possibly mafia-infiltrated network who would be very eager to see blue roles dead lying on the ground? Oh hey, ninja # gaffe. I am expecting oncoming pointless debate about number of current ninjas. No? I am pleasantly surprised. I am tired. I will post my opinions about rest of the pages tomorrow. Also lol love1another. Vote love1another (Placeholder) Lol so you put a big huge fos all over Bill Murray. Then you vote to save him. You ask the town, do we want to lynch him today or wait for DTs to waste a check on someone who is likely to be GF if red? I could see if you reasoning was to get mafia to waste GF role on him if he's red, but that probably didn't cross your mind. Glad to see number six come out of the woodwork, though. Not a bad play really; I do this all the time as mafia and no one calls me on it when I vote to save a teammate while pointing out how suspicious I am of that same teammate. | ||
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On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote: I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on). And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this. I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't). If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. I'll post when BM flips. | ||
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On August 07 2010 09:22 Foolishness wrote: What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? Well you will probably kill me tonight, so I will post all my info anyway, mafia number 2. You are my favorite player in all of TL Mafia, at least when you are town-aligned, so I am disappointed to see your red play be so obvious. You've now chainsaw defended Bill Murray against both Divinek and myself. Now, if Bill Murray flips blue, I will certainly not run roughshod after you and the rest of his sketchy defenders and defendees. But if he flips red, which seems EXTREMELY likely to me at this point, your ass is grass and killing me won't save you. | ||
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On August 07 2010 09:40 Foolishness wrote: Awww I'm touched <3 I would think it's obvious to any town player that lynching a player who's actively participating and defending against arguments is foolish. How many times have you seen a mafia player that isn't Ace/L actively tell people they are wrong/stupid and defend their beliefs to the last moment they die? Hardly ever. Imma wait at least another 2 days before ever considering voting for any of you. Truth is, I barely give a care as to whether BM or you or DTA or divinek is mafia. Cause all you active people do is blame each other and find reasons why the other is mafia. If one of you is actually mafia, I'm sure one of the others will figure it out sooner or later. I got bigger fish to fry in figuring out who's mafia among the other 50% of the players who half lurk. Now wait a minute...you're supposedly a ninja and getting killed by other ninja's tonight. If I was mafia why would I bother hitting you? Haha, I actually kinda lol'd when I read your post, because it's insanely obvious you improvised the entire thing. I've seen better reasoning for suspicions out of totally new players. Have you even read my posts to consider if I'm actually mafia? I'm pretty sure you're too concerned with BM right now to even care who else is mafia. Which is fine by me, you do what you got to do and I'll do what I got to do. One person is not a list. You got any others you want to throw out there? Executive Summary: Guy who caught and voted for BC on Day 1 last game tells me no one should vote for big names early or should vote on suspicion early or think it is possible to catch reds this early. My Response: I'm not a ninja. I can't say for sure what mafia will do with me. I already gave you two people on the list. | ||
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