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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On August 06 2010 14:54 Jayme wrote: I still hate voting for inactives on day one because it's so pointless. and the random voting stage is already over after only a few hours...???? Oh incoming bandwagon I believe that this is one of the best ways to start off Day 1; mostly because like it was mentioned before, people do make mistakes and they shouldn't be lynched right away because of a single mistake they made on Day 1. Plus it promotes involvement, but I'm sure everyone's heard this countless times already. On August 06 2010 18:10 DarthThienAn wrote: BM, you're basically introducing an incredibly scummy plan. If you really think mass roleclaim would be beneficial, then please explain why. And "It worked in other games" is not a reason, seeing as how every setup is different. How can you say everyone claiming would be beneficial if you don't even know how many blues we have? Until you elaborate, my vote is on you, even if I don't like the bandwagon on you. "The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces." Mafia can easily claim townie, or a random blue. We don't know how many of each role there is. So we wouldn't be able to call any of them out on their fake claims. So how would we catch a mafia lying, unless they claimed a role that requires results that we can see? ##vote Bill Murray From what I know of BM, this is classic BM to me (Although the last game I played with him was XXII, so things could have changed.). He promotes some weird plan and the town attacks him. He ends up being Godfather. But from what I can remember, he also pushes plans like these when he's a townie as well. From BM's point of view, this is just a trap for the mafia, because although it would be harder for the town to sift through all the liars in a mass-role claim, it would be harder for the mafia to organize who would claim as what. On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote: I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz  Um, hi? If you have time, feel free to type more, since an "activity-check" post won't save you from getting lynched forever. On August 06 2010 22:52 rastaban wrote: I just realized spoiler my plan made it less likely to be seen and critiqued which defeated its purpose so here it is again Plan, Please Review It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver. Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them. Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive. There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible. From what I see, bad plan. So much risk for the town while the mafia has to give a small effort to make sure that the town is screwed over. - If mafia roleclaims as a blue, this plan won't work period. - If a real blue does roleclaim, but the bus driver buses the wrong person, we could hit another blue (Perhaps one of out DTs or medics) - The mafia has power-roles that could turn this plan onto the town and the town could be lynching townies on Day 2/3 depending on if this plan is actually implemented. IMO, single roleclaims=bad at any point of the game. Or actually, any type of roleclaims; while it may prove useful to the town, it will always help mafia in killing blues. | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:34 rastaban wrote: the other option is that if we have a counter claim we protect neither and have them both shoot each other, the vig dies taking out a red. I almost like this plan method better. But what are going to do for Day 2/Night 2? It's not like we have an endless supply of vigis to keep this plan going. And losing our vigi on Night 1 doesn't sound good to me. Although most of the time, vigis prove to be useless in catching the mafia, sometimes they can pull it off. I am definitely against vigis roleclaiming on Day 1. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:41 KF91 wrote: But what are going to do for Day 2/Night 2? It's not like we have an endless supply of vigis to keep this plan going. And losing our vigi on Night 1 doesn't sound good to me. Although most of the time, vigis prove to be useless in catching the mafia, sometimes they can pull it off. I am definitely against vigis roleclaiming on Day 1. Well vigi's real role is just a mafia and be done with it so a 1 for 1 trade is pretty good actually. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:21 love1another wrote: ##vote rastaban Fuck you rastaban for voting me. First a one-liner in the game thread then a reactive vote towards someone because they were voting a reactive. Mafia or not, this is just being useless to the town :/ On August 06 2010 23:44 chaoser wrote: Well vigi's real role is just a mafia and be done with it so a 1 for 1 trade is pretty good actually. Hm, this would be the best scenario, but how are we going to guarantee a counter-claim from the mafia? And I just read this: You may not use your ability on night 1 because you are too busy out combing Wal-Mart for hockey pants. So rastaban, your plan can't be implemented until Night 2 :/ | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
From what I see, bad plan. So much risk for the town while the mafia has to give a small effort to make sure that the town is screwed over. - If mafia roleclaims as a blue, this plan won't work period. - If a real blue does roleclaim, but the bus driver buses the wrong person, we could hit another blue (Perhaps one of out DTs or medics) - The mafia has power-roles that could turn this plan onto the town and the town could be lynching townies on Day 2/3 depending on if this plan is actually implemented. IMO, single roleclaims=bad at any point of the game. Or actually, any type of roleclaims; while it may prove useful to the town, it will always help mafia in killing blues. From where I'm looking at it right now, there's actually very little risk. Vigi pops someone night one Vigi claims. There is going to be a counterclaim We lynch one of them, if we lynch real vigi, then the other claimer is mafia If we lynch mafia, then it's 90% sure that the other claimer is vigi unless if two mafia claim/counterclaim, but then the REAL vigi would claim too. And so either way mafia need to come out of the woodworks to fuck the plan up.and they end up exposed. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote: I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz LOL, you post this as your only content and then immediate go and vote for me for putting pressure on you to at least be active..... very scummy. I want more than a one line claiming confirmed (You aren't confirmed no one is right now!). Add something, review my plan and post your thoughts, even if you disagree it can still give us insight into you and help improve the plan or scrap it if it is bad. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:48 KF91 wrote: Just saw this in the voting thread: First a one-liner in the game thread then a reactive vote towards someone because they were voting a reactive. Mafia or not, this is just being useless to the town :/ Hm, this would be the best scenario, but how are we going to guarantee a counter-claim from the mafia? And I just read this: So rastaban, your plan can't be implemented until Night 2 :/ Good catch on the Vigi exception I had forgot about it, I guess I just outed myself as a non-vigi  looks like we wait until day 2 to consider this plan. Also you just ninja'd my post about love1, I now am 100% convinced you are a ninja, don't deny it | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:49 chaoser wrote: From where I'm looking at it right now, there's actually very little risk. Vigi pops someone night one Vigi claims. There is going to be a counterclaim We lynch one of them, if we lynch real vigi, then the other claimer is mafia If we lynch mafia, then it's 90% sure that the other claimer is vigi unless if two mafia claim/counterclaim, but then the REAL vigi would claim too. And so either way mafia need to come out of the woodworks to fuck the plan up.and they end up exposed. Doesn't this still raise the risk of Vigi hitting a blue role though? I thought that was the reason that Vigi doesn't hit as soon as possible. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:52 Misder wrote: Doesn't this still raise the risk of Vigi hitting a blue role though? I thought that was the reason that Vigi doesn't hit as soon as possible. Well he can't hit tonight so we don't have to worry about it for now. I would prefer they claim while they have their shot, and then we use it to verify them if their are counter claims. If we wait until after they shoot then we can use this plan until day/night 3 If we just have them claim tomorrow then they can shoot the other claimant that night or if it isn't counter claimed we enact the plan. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
If we wait until after they shoot then we can't use this plan until day/night 3 Since we can't do it tonight though, it means we need to start analyzing who to lynch still since we can't luck out with mafia claiming vig today. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:52 Misder wrote: Doesn't this still raise the risk of Vigi hitting a blue role though? I thought that was the reason that Vigi doesn't hit as soon as possible. I think the chances of hitting a blue are pretty small and even if they do hit a blue, if the plan pans out then town gains control of the game via 1 confirmed role. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:34 rastaban wrote: the other option is that if we have a counter claim we protect neither and have them both shoot each other, the vig dies taking out a red. I almost like this plan method better. Bad idea, mafia will just roleblock the real vigi since they will know. And then that Vigi can claim he killed other vigi. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
1.ahahahahahahah Chezinu <3 2.I highly urge everyone to vote the least active person here. that means the person who has not made a real quality contribution. I'm looking at you, love1another. One line saying "im townie! Don't kill me!" Is not enough to warrant us getting off your back. I am going to vote for said person 10 hours before deadline and I encourage everyone to help get people talking. 2.Vigi plan sounds...okay. I mean, like I said above there are some flaws. But I think we can work on it and make it work. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 07 2010 01:25 Pandain wrote: Bad idea, mafia will just roleblock the real vigi since they will know. And then that Vigi can claim he killed other vigi. GRR how do I keep forgetting the information in the OP! Great catch, well that rules it out, we can still lynch 1 and then the other the next night though. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
- Chezinu upped his game. Wow. - Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly. - ratasban has a plan. Re: The mass roleclaim. I think ninjas would make the plan difficult, they'd provide cover in the greens for mafia to hide amongst. Last time we mass roleclaimed, I got killed immediately because Meeple saved the mafia claimant for a less-important role. Re: Rastaban's plan. I think that actually makes a lot of sense, but it isn't as solid as you suggest. First, if the Bus Driver is on the vigi, we're leaving it up to the BD's discretion who to hit instead. Which means that they could just as easily hit the DT as they could hit the mafia. In fact, since blues outnumber mafia this game, then that could be more likely, and more disastrous for the town. Secondly, the mafia could simply ignore the vigi, and go kill other people. Where does that leave the town? The vigi is not a role that we can really do much with if confirmed. Whereas if we were somehow protecting the DT, then they could pass info on to us, protecting the vigi doesn't do much but set up a really obvious trap that has an equal chance of blowing up in our faces, not to mention the mafia would likely avoid it to begin with. | ||
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