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On August 06 2010 14:54 Jayme wrote:
I still hate voting for inactives on day one because it's so pointless.

and the random voting stage is already over after only a few hours...???? Oh incoming bandwagon

On August 06 2010 18:10 DarthThienAn wrote:
BM, you're basically introducing an incredibly scummy plan. If you really think mass roleclaim would be beneficial, then please explain why. And "It worked in other games" is not a reason, seeing as how every setup is different. How can you say everyone claiming would be beneficial if you don't even know how many blues we have? Until you elaborate, my vote is on you, even if I don't like the bandwagon on you.

"The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces."

Mafia can easily claim townie, or a random blue. We don't know how many of each role there is. So we wouldn't be able to call any of them out on their fake claims. So how would we catch a mafia lying, unless they claimed a role that requires results that we can see?

##vote Bill Murray

On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote:
I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz

On August 06 2010 22:52 rastaban wrote:
I just realized spoiler my plan made it less likely to be seen and critiqued which defeated its purpose so here it is again

Plan, Please Review

It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant.

Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver.

Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them.

Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive.

There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible.

On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote:
I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz

On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote:
I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz

On August 07 2010 01:44 tree.hugger wrote:
Summary of the last couple pages.
- Chezinu upped his game. Wow.
- Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly.
- ratasban has a plan.

Re: The mass roleclaim. I think ninjas would make the plan difficult, they'd provide cover in the greens for mafia to hide amongst. Last time we mass roleclaimed, I got killed immediately because Meeple saved the mafia claimant for a less-important role.

Re: Rastaban's plan. I think that actually makes a lot of sense, but it isn't as solid as you suggest. First, if the Bus Driver is on the vigi, we're leaving it up to the BD's discretion who to hit instead. Which means that they could just as easily hit the DT as they could hit the mafia. In fact, since blues outnumber mafia this game, then that could be more likely, and more disastrous for the town. Secondly, the mafia could simply ignore the vigi, and go kill other people. Where does that leave the town? The vigi is not a role that we can really do much with if confirmed. Whereas if we were somehow protecting the DT, then they could pass info on to us, protecting the vigi doesn't do much but set up a really obvious trap that has an equal chance of blowing up in our faces, not to mention the mafia would likely avoid it to begin with.

On August 07 2010 03:17 SouthRawrea wrote:
Actually that is incorrect. I had a post at the very start.

On August 07 2010 02:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Okay. Vigi should claim Day 2 IMO because he can't use his night kill til night 2. The vigi can openly suggest his target, meds protect target. If 2 people die that night, and dude is protected from a hit then BAM, we have a huge circle formed with meds confirming the vigi, DT's can openly claim to vigi or use a mouth, Bus Driver should stay hidden I feel...except to maybe the meds.

And if it is a mafia ploy? We'd have netted two mafia. The fake vigi claimer, and the dude who was hit by the vigi because he would have to have been protected. All medics should protect the guy getting vigi'd so they get the protection message, or mafia would have to use all KP to stop the plan, GIVING us quite a few more days...