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On August 06 2010 18:43 youngminii wrote: Okay apparently BM can't see what's wrong with his plan. I shall outline them for you.
If you are scum, we lose instantly.
If you are town, 6 people will lie and you won't know who lied and who didn't and you can't publicly reveal them without exposing their identity.
What are you going to do when all 6 scum claims town? Hmm? Oh right, nothing.
Do you really, really, really think every single person will claim to you? Do you know how hard organisation is, especially on a forum?
What are you going to do when the framer frames people? Uh oh.
Can't be fucked listing anymore. He doesn't need everyone to claim - anything he gets is just icing on the cake. Unfortunately for him, it is icing on a cake that is otherwise very unpalatable to him. Even if we followed the plan, I really feel like I have four of his teammates down. That seems too cocksure so I probably have something mixed up but this is the surest I've been about a red list ever (I've played as red a lot more than other roles, though).
Also, 9 people will lie. You forgot ninjas, youngminii. So we will get at least 9 liars to pick through, 3 of which will be ninjas we don't need to kill. Actually, we will have at least 10 liars because I already sent the following PM to BM:
"I am bus driver vigilante fake-batman detective slash ninja. Slash townie."
He responded:
"so you only have one life"
Which only goes to show he is more interested in bragging about how he will bring his kp to bear against me for my transgression than to chastise me for not following his super pro-town plan.
If this is how BM plays town normally... wow. "Worst" and "ever" come readily to mind. He's mafia though so I don't feel the pang of being harsh.
On top of the 10 liars, plenty of people who see through this won't send their role in (read:hopefully everyone). DTA gets it. Everyone else should, too. I'm a little disappointed that you are humoring him, youngminii.
I don't want to go into my list of his allies until he flips red, just in case I am on the wrong track. No need for the distraction anyway, but I'll get it out after the lynch and before they can stack me to death. + Show Spoiler +FAQ:
Q: Why didn't you go to sleep? A: I tried but my room is too hot and I wasn't getting to sleep so I decided to check the thread again.
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Just wait and see, BM will flip green/blue/black and you'll just brush it off by saying "Pfft worst townie ever" but the fact of the matter is, every townie counts (especially in the late game). Now I'm preeeeeetty convinced (not 100%) that BM is a townie and a DT can always get him checked later, I'm just saying it's pretty damn obvious that there's an unlikely chance of BM being a townie.
His play style reminds me of a Jester.
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On July 29 2010 13:12 flamewheel wrote: Ninja (Ninja) You will know how many other Ninjas reside within the town, but the town will not.
On August 06 2010 19:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Also, 9 people will lie. You forgot ninjas, youngminii. So we will get at least 9 liars to pick through, 3 of which will be ninjas we don't need to kill. Actually, we will have at least 10 liars because I already sent the following PM to BM: Uh oh, someone made a huge blunder.
Pyrr is very likely a ninja.
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I am not a fucking jester if you all lynch me the town is being wasteful Pyrrhuloxia, there is no fucking way you know at least "4 of my teammates", unless you are mafia, and have deducted a list of town, but then you could still have a ninja mixed in and might be wrong even then.
I do not see why you are throwing walls of text and tunneling on me at all. Could it be because you are trying to push a policy lynch and stifle any real discussion? I ended the RVS so we could actually discuss what we are going to do as a town.
Why would you want to end the stage of the game where the town throws ideas out there? I'm sorry you disagree with my idea. Usually the town does, but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't win if we used it.
After having just modded the last game, I realized something: The people the mafia try to kill are the ones that are trying to organize things (Subversion, zeks, laxercannon, etc), not the ones who are trying to policy lynch or are overly emotional (DTA, you, BrownBear, even me in past games)
You know why the mafia won't try to kill me this game? Because I am like Stonewall Jackson, shot by my own troops. When I flip blue you all will really feel like idiots.
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On August 06 2010 19:19 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 13:12 flamewheel wrote: Ninja (Ninja) You will know how many other Ninjas reside within the town, but the town will not.
Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 19:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Also, 9 people will lie. You forgot ninjas, youngminii. So we will get at least 9 liars to pick through, 3 of which will be ninjas we don't need to kill. Actually, we will have at least 10 liars because I already sent the following PM to BM: Uh oh, someone made a huge blunder. Pyrr is very likely a ninja. he sent me this PM too: ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ninjas have two lives. Unless you are the third ninja. But you aren't. Maybe he is in your employ. Doesn't matter, though. Your only hope (maybe) is to lynch me today. Good luck with that.
When he sent me that, I assumed he might be a ninja. I didn't know they had two lives.
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:-/ Well there goes any chance left I had of surviving the night.
I was just relying on DTA's analysis from this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517¤tpage=12#226
3/30 seems very round to me. 2 seems too low for it to be interesting. 4 and there would be too much chaos - the whole game would swing based on what ninjas were doing and the town vs. mafia battle would be as meaningless as what quidditch players do before the golden snitch appears.
I guess if BM is truly innocent or the ninjas know 3 is not the real number I could be okay. But I don't want that to happen. Right now I think the case against BM is solid and I can present more evidence if need be. Tomorrow I'll go through his previous games to see if youngminii's thoughts have any real significance. If he flips red we have a great path forward that doesn't require me to be alive after tonight so I'm not too worried.
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Why did you claim blue, now scum can kill you at night (provided you aren't scum).
Also yeah I think the case against you is pretty dumb, and btw there is no Jester, I'm just saying you're doing what a Jester would do
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My last post was answering YM's post about me being a ninja.
As for BM's, I posted my joke claim to him earlier. I'm fucking with him because I know he's red. Why would a ninja care so much to lynch someone on day 1 or send PMs around bragging about being a ninja? I'm not stupid.
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On August 06 2010 19:25 Bill Murray wrote: I am not a fucking jester if you all lynch me the town is being wasteful Pyrrhuloxia, there is no fucking way you know at least "4 of my teammates", unless you are mafia, and have deducted a list of town, but then you could still have a ninja mixed in and might be wrong even then.
I do not see why you are throwing walls of text and tunneling on me at all. Could it be because you are trying to push a policy lynch and stifle any real discussion? I ended the RVS so we could actually discuss what we are going to do as a town.
Why would you want to end the stage of the game where the town throws ideas out there? I'm sorry you disagree with my idea. Usually the town does, but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't win if we used it.
After having just modded the last game, I realized something: The people the mafia try to kill are the ones that are trying to organize things (Subversion, zeks, laxercannon, etc), not the ones who are trying to policy lynch or are overly emotional (DTA, you, BrownBear, even me in past games)
You know why the mafia won't try to kill me this game? Because I am like Stonewall Jackson, shot by my own troops. When I flip blue you all will really feel like idiots. You aren't trying to organize town. You are fishing for blues like you were in your PMs to Pandain. I am fine for ideas, but asking all blues to day 1 claim to a sketchy as fuck player is not a plan. I could see your point in that in your game town should have mass claimed and didn't. However, in this game WE DON'T HAVE BLUE COUNTS. Totally fucking different. There are blue roles that might not even be in the game that are in the first post. A mafia claiming one of those would be set up pretty well. We would get next to nothing out of it even if you were innocent. If you were pro-town, you could at least suggest someone else or come up with a way someone could earn trust. But asking for it on the brink of death just screams mafia with nothing left to lose.
You ended the RVS so you could start a bandwagon on Divinek to save yourself. It was only about your suspicion for him and how it was "real" and how everything on you was a joke to be ignored. You only started talking plans after rastaban rightfully lol'd at your diversion and nipped it in the bud. Nice attempt to rewrite history, though.
Where did I tell town to stop discussing plans? All I did was point out how sketchy you were, which I find to be a much better lynch than inactivity. If someone has ideas for what to do with ninjas, feel free to discuss that. If someone has a good idea for how the bus driver can be used in a pro-town way, please post it. I have a feeling that in many hands the bus driver would be used for just screwing around. If you have a mass roleclaim idea that doesn't involve everyone claiming to the scummiest player in the game, I am all ears. I am not even ready to write off all plans of that type. But Bill Murray is not the player to receive claims, by any means.
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Lol so I went and did my homework, looking at previous Bill Murray games as Youngminii asked me to do. What did Bill Murray do Day 1 in that game? Well he came up with a plan involving a shit load of role claiming, even though he knows that we here at TL think that is usually a bad idea.
On April 18 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote: OK. Big FoS on Zona/BC for completely ignoring my valid strategy of making people pitted against each other. If we have player A vs player B we will be able to learn who the assassins are through having them strategically fight each other. If neither one is an assassin, we can have them roleclaim. I know that a lot of people on TL are against roleclaiming like this, but it is very beneficial to the town.
Good points from this: 1) we learn who the assassins are 2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins 3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other
This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum.
Bill Murray's role this game? Godfather. Zona pointed out how stupid this was and BM immediately FoS'd him as an Assassin (called Ninjas in this game). I'm getting deja vu here already.
+ Show Spoiler +It is ~4 AM here now. I've given up on sleep. I'll take a nap during the day. Proleague finals is Friday night / saturday morning anyway so my sleep schedule was gonna be ruined regardless.
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Previous post is about TL Mafia XXII, sorry.
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Iiiiiiiintesreting... I think you're a bit over the top about all of this though. I for one will not be voting for BM and I don't suggest you do, but I can't help it if town wants to jump on this.
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Hmm so more fun from the wayback machine. BM in TL Mafia XVIII. BM is a green townie. He is running for mayor.
On February 14 2010 10:21 Bill Murray wrote: "Mayor candidates must have a plan." My plan is to follow the majority. I will make no decisions unless it is through the active town (I hope most of the town is active).
Yes, his rousing plan when he is town-aligned is to... let someone else come up with a plan. I'm failing to see how BM's past explains away how creepy his play has been thus far.
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well with this roster you can be over the top since most of us are used to it
in a more newbie friendly game it might not be so forgiving
hope the vigis / ninjas aren't trigger happy
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Theres nothing to say at this point, I never know why mafia games don't start with the night phase to avoid this period of relatively meaningless speculation with the eventual "lynch X he hasn't said anything!", yet there is actually nothing really to say.
I will happily vote for anyone, unless I have an instinctual reaction against it based on reading posts.
The only real thing of value I can think to do at this point is to compare what peoples have said so far in the initial stages of the game to the way they posted initially in the last game and try to look for suggestive differences.
Now to softly close this door and peek out through the cracks....
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Oh also if anyone, town mafia or ninja wants to send me some PM's it would be super fun, I like the excited feeling of seeing a bright golden "PM" xD
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On August 06 2010 21:00 XeliN wrote: Theres nothing to say at this point, I never know why mafia games don't start with the night phase to avoid this period of relatively meaningless speculation with the eventual "lynch X he hasn't said anything!", yet there is actually nothing really to say.
I will happily vote for anyone, unless I have an instinctual reaction against it based on reading posts.
The only real thing of value I can think to do at this point is to compare what peoples have said so far in the initial stages of the game to the way they posted initially in the last game and try to look for suggestive differences.
Now to softly close this door and peek out through the cracks.... I think when online mafia started, most games actually did start at night. But then mafia got a free kill and it would end up on Day 1 and everyone would be in the same situation as normal. It was changed for balance reasons iirc.
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Outside in a land beyond the bubbles there are waves that carry a hidden signal. These invisible disturbances in the invisible fields decode to the following:
Text document: + Show Spoiler + Journal Entry #1:
My name is Chezinu Isunizehc. I grew up in a colony called the Mighty Mites. The name was chosen because the mites where one of the few creatures that survived from Earth. My grandmother once told me that she once learned in school that many people claim in Pre-Autonanomatic Era that these creatures called cockroaches were going what they called “inherit” the Earth due to its resistance to radiation. She said that people in that time feared nuclear weapons and cancer. They didn’t know how little impact a nuclear weapon had on the environment compared to other disasters. It was all they feared in their simple world without thoughts of evasions of foreign extraterrestrial beings. They didn’t even meet the first two foreign contacts (the Protoss and Zerg) at that point in history. Little did they know that thousands of years later man would try to harness the power of unknown foreign extraterrestrial technologies by applying it to their own creations causing the monetary destruction of the origin planet Earth. One day, mankind will be able to return to Earth once the machines become depleted. But until the time comes, we must live far away as possible from the origin planet. My teacher said that any talk of the machines venturing from Earth and gaining resources to prevent depletion is another pointless fear that has stagnated humankind as shown throughout history. Any person who has such fears should be pruned from human society and if we hear anyone with such thoughts we should report them to our great leader Lace Caller. LC is a supreme model for human existence. He is never wrong. He is Mightiest of all the Mighty Mites!
The above was the first paper I wrote in my new history class after being transferred to Liquidia. Back then I knew little of the real world. I lived in a bubble fabricated to protect my mind from painful scars that few knew how to handle. However, the fabricated bubble did more harm than good for me. My grandmother always said this ancient saying that goes way back to Earth, “Don’t open the Butterfly’s cocoon.” I have no knowledge of what a butterfly or cocoon consist of but I was told by my grandmother that it is something that was given to us on Earth to teach us lessons about ourselves. I sometimes wonder if the machines converted those helpful hardware into reapers by now. Look at me, I’m getting sidetracked… Let me wield straight through the seal and carry on with my story. After being transferred to the school and becoming familiar with routines, I decided to look for a part time job so one day the Liquidian leader would look upon me with favor seeing that I had been a hard working disciple. So, I thought how I could aid this great society that our wonderful leader has provided us. Then, I had a fascinating idea! I was so enthusiastic and filled with a young ambitious heart. I told myself I will restore communication to mankind back to the days of Galaxilization. Of course, I knew it was a big goal and I had to start out small. I even knew Globalization was an enormous feat in human history. Nonetheless, I was determined. My first goal was to learn to write and communicate effectively. To obtain this goal, I turned to the news database and started reading current articles. That was when I first heard of The Scribe. I would read his articles everyday and try to mimic his style. In retrospect, I can’t believe I did not connect the dots sooner. Everything I knew at that time was bliss, or so I was told. For it was far from true happiness. One article that I read change my path of life so dramatically and at the time I didn’t even realize the events that were going to take place subsequent to reading that article. But then again, it didn’t have to be that one article that would change my direction in life. It could have been anything for I was destined to escape the fabricated bubble from the start. It all began with my sincere ambitious heart that the ones in control of the society wanted to crush. I was under the radar and undetected by their surveillances because I was a reserved individual and didn’t often speak up in public. It is pretty ironic thinking about it. A reserved person wanting to be a writer… That’s like an extrovert wanting to work in solitude confinement. Paradoxes... Sometimes you just have to accept them… I have seen plenty of them in my life, I could write about that alone for a long time but as I said before I will try to wield straight through the seal. I’m notorious for my tangents. Ok, where was I. Ah, the bus article. Yes, yes... So I read this article of a bus accident written by The Scribe and was confused about his word choices. I was puzzled, but eventually gave up on trying to figure it out and moved on to other writings. What I didn’t know at the time was that The Scribe wrote hidden codes in his articles and often covered up problems in Liquidia. It was his job to keep all knowledge of the outside world away from our generation. It was the exact opposite of what my heart desired you see, so the events that unfolded thereafter was not a matter of if but when. My heart was not the only factor involved either. There were outside forces I had no knowledge of that would speed up the bubble bursting process along with doubtful and rebel members of society... Well, I wouldn’t call them doubtful and rebels – that is the propaganda that had been drilled in me speaking. Let us say they didn’t have a cloud over their eyes as most of us did. They saw the truth and knew the only way to fix it was to first attempt it and seek greater help. A direction our prideful leaders would have never dared to take a step in given the opport...
**Transmission Lost** reconnecting... No Signal Detected. retry?
An incomplete video: + Show Spoiler +
Analysis: Something must have happened to the signal.. I wish I would have received the rest of the journal entry so that I would have known what he was talking about.. I wonder what he had found out.. and what is this bubble he is talking about?... If that wasn't odd enough, what is up with that video.. It is spliced up and incomplete.. the video cuts off at the end while the audio continues.. some parts of the video seems to lack transitions as well.. it is like it is missing something.. It seems to be out of order as well since the video did end with the credits.. Maybe I can try and work on getting the rest of the signal. If the signal was never completely sent out, maybe I could trace its location and find out what happened. I can also be on the look out to see if I can trace if anything caused an disturbance in the electromagnetic fields or something that absorbed the signal.
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That post is giving me de ja vu from Inception, I feel like I'm going to be playing a game within a game within a game....
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LOLOLOL Oh man bum's gonna flip shit when he sees this.
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