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On August 06 2010 15:00 VayeshMoru wrote:
I have just spent time reading some of the game Bill Murray just ran. I seem to be be at a crossroads now. The town last game early on was against random bandwagons starting. But I see this what would be defined as a mistake I suppose happening again. Is this meant to draw information? Although this early on I don't see how it would give you much to go on.
If I understand how this game should be done, should we not be concentrating on a more logical method for our lynching? I think it would be at least prudent if we discussed who was getting votes and why. As of now I see Divinek and Bill Murray tied at 3 votes. After looking at this, then comparing to what has been said, why are there no reasons posted? Is this method not too chaotic?
How about we discuss how all the shoes you make end up looking like murder evidence?
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On August 06 2010 13:12 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:26 tree.hugger wrote:On August 06 2010 11:56 LSB wrote:On August 06 2010 11:35 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 06 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
darth are you gonna play normal this game, or at least not like last game
pleeeeeeease I don't know what you're talking about. Just thinking about balance, I think it's likely that we have 1 of each blue role? And probably 3-4 ninjas in the game, I'd lean toward 3. Look here for a comparison. Ninjas = Assassins, essentially. With a roleblocker + framer, something like 7 to 9 blue roles sounds right. Framer essentially replaces millers from previous games, except gives a little more power to the mafia. Roleblocker is standard. What makes things interesting is the ninjas. Not sure how that messes up balance. Discussion, go! And for the record: I am always for lynching inactives. Here's what I'm thinking. Okay, I'm still looking through that game, but it seems like the Assassin's War (dune ;P) ended too early for any real damage to be dealt. Ninja's could be an extreamly powerful weapon if they decided to ally with a faction in exchange for protection. Ninja Ally's with Mafia: We're screwed. The mafia gets a nice Vigilante/DT rolled into one, and the Ninja get's protection from Mafia night kills, and hopes the other Ninja's die before he does. Ninja Ally's with Town: Town can arrange Medic Protection, and the Ninja can draw upon the DT. So basically invincible ninja. The town gets the Vigilante/DT. Ninja gets caught by the DT: This would be the best case scenario. The DT could threaten to expose the Ninja, so the Ninja is forced to ally with the DT. So basically we have to identify the Ninja's ASAP and get them under Town control Yes, because it completely makes sense for the DT to threaten to expose the ninja. Because the DT could do that without exposing himself. Clearly. On August 06 2010 12:11 bumatlarge wrote:If this one is half as epic as the nonsense last game, I will be satisfied. Already so many posts, hopefully I can keep up at this rate... So many new faces  Lynching an inactive is the usual order of things, an initial list of who isnt posting is a decent path to go. But lets assume that everyone will post, so keep tabs on the quality of posts. If someone is posting alot but squekin by on the quality department, thats a solid candidate. And I think we have alot of new players, so just in case you dont know what to post: - Try not to make useless posts unless your HILARIOUS like me. - If you dont know where to start, just speculate about the blue roles and ideas. Scared about that? Give opinions about other ideas! Just pour your heart out and if you are completely honest, you'll gain some cred in the view of the town. EVEN IF YOU ARE A GREENIE, MAKE BELIEVE YOU ARE BLUE. But just dont lie, lying is bad  (see citizen in XXVIII, even though it was kinda justified). I think it hit me when last game how well BC and his scummers were sniping roles based on posts. If you can think like you are the most important when you post, you will be such a threat to mafia. In a previous game, I said "Dont be afraid to die" but I guess that can be misleading, because I dont want you running out there saying "LYNCH ME" -_- just be willing to put yourself on the chopping block if you really disagree with what someone says or does. - You know what you are, so use you're own gut feelings on things. Dont listen to what ANYONE else says, unless you can see the benefits yourself. If I am certain scum in your eyes, and no one else thinks so, you have an obligation to make sure that I die, or die trying. I don't believe anyone here is stupid, or else you wouldnt be on TL. - If you are blue, again use your own judgement, and blend in as much as possible. Do what you gotta do, post like you think you should to stay alive. - If you are mafia, try to hit your own team members with some convoluted plan, frame the roleblocker, or roleblock the framer. Thats how you win as mafia. Im posting this chunk because I am not sure how active I'll be tomorrow due to work from 9-5 and then another job from 6-11 + Show Spoiler +On August 06 2010 11:35 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
darth are you gonna play normal this game, or at least not like last game
pleeeeeeease I don't know what you're talking about. Just thinking about balance, I think it's likely that we have 1 of each blue role? And probably 3-4 ninjas in the game, I'd lean toward 3. Look here for a comparison. Ninjas = Assassins, essentially. With a roleblocker + framer, something like 7 to 9 blue roles sounds right. Framer essentially replaces millers from previous games, except gives a little more power to the mafia. Roleblocker is standard. What makes things interesting is the ninjas. Not sure how that messes up balance. Discussion, go! And for the record: I am always for lynching inactives. Hmmm this seems incredibly scummy, FoS on you... I kid you darth, ninjas seem just some desu ex machina for either side, increases chances for hilarious situations. I need to read more into the blue roles. DTA always looks scummy. He can't help it. You can't FoS someone like that with one post. It almost never works that way. And BC n' co. needed Subversion to run naked through the town with "DT" painted in blue on his chest before they hit someone of consequence. The mafia sucked at blue sniping last game. DT can use a proxy townie like was done last game with Zeks and lakrismamma. Also, how did the mafia suck at blue sniping last game? They got every single blue long before the end of the game (and the end of the game was significantly shortened BECAUSE they sniped every blue). You were the one playing like a total scrub early game, linking pretty much all the blues together and accusing them as a group of scum (remember your PM parade telling everyone to lynch Subversion?). I hope people don't use PMs to the same effect this game, I'd say stay very wary of most PMs early game (case in point: Subversion revealing to Pandain that he was DT without having checked Pandain, Pandain was in fact a miller, but still could have been very dangerous). I never found out how Subversion's DT role got leaked, that was well and truly stupid as fuck.
Subversion handed it out to Protractinium, I believe.
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On August 06 2010 13:40 VayeshMoru wrote:How was I mistake for someone in this game? Perplexing
James, you can't keep going directly from highly poetic English to broken, learned-as-a-second-language English. It's giving me whiplash. Neither style matches your trademark parenthesis usage shown in the posts from when you first posted from this account in July.
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On August 06 2010 14:00 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:56 Protactinium wrote:Sorry, I feel like derailing for just one little moment to boost my ego. On August 06 2010 12:26 tree.hugger wrote:
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And BC n' co. needed Subversion to run naked through the town with "DT" painted in blue on his chest before they hit someone of consequence. The mafia sucked at blue sniping last game.
Are you sure about that, tree.hugger? Disregarding the bomb, detail to me how all the blues were dead by Night 4. Explain to me how Roffles died Night 2, and how we hit a Veteran night 1. And no, I didn't need Subversion to "run naked" through the metaphorical town. We could have killed him any time we wanted. BloodyC0bbler had the blue roster being lakrismamma/sINiquity/bumatlarge (two for three). d3 was read for a vet, and Divinek claimed. The only ones we didn't figure out were the two town KP roles, and there was no need to. Only reason we "sucked" at blue sniping by your definition was because we were nerfed by having 2 KP instead of 3, and having two veterans and two medics makes for permanently invincible people if not stacked. Add to that the fact that if you hit somebody and they survive, they are confirmed town due to the fact that Mafia cannot hit their own. Think about all that, and then tell us again that Mafia sucked at bluesniping last game. Alright, just wanted to say that. Enjoy the game! Nobody likes smurfs.
Indeed  .
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On August 06 2010 14:32 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:44 youngminii wrote:On August 06 2010 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:
No cheezedoodle, I will not accept your methods this game, I better see some quality posting, or extremely awesome chez posts at least. Dont try to justify it young. Why are you being so hard on Chez? I mean he's not BAD, but when people try to imitate him it's bad (case in point: DTA last game). I don't see why you're trying to force him to change his play when it works for him. Yeah it's annoying but if it works, it works. What's the bet that if Chez does change his style, bum will accuse him of being scum because of his changed ways? Who said I was trying to imitate Chezinu last game? I've already said that Chez's style is much better than what I did last game, and takes more effort than I cared to take at the time. That said, your play wasn't all that great last game either youngminii. The difference is that you were playing seriously and I wasn't, until the end.
Don't use your supposed laziness as an indication of your superiority.
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On August 06 2010 14:59 youngminii wrote:
Or maybe BM's busy with real life, like he was for 203948230 hours last game.
How would being busy have an impact on response to receiving votes? It could make him more or less active but this has nothing to do with activity level.
God this is so weird how no one is on when I do my posting... Happened last game, too. I guess I do my posting when prime time is crossing the vast pacific ocean so it makes sense.
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On August 06 2010 13:11 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Didn't really get defensive, just pointed out that he voted for me when he said we should lynch inactives, yet I've been one of the most active people. Just asked him what his real reason is. Not really defensive. And yes, sadly I have been less quality than normal. I'm trying to fix it this game by typing larger things and not just one liners. Though I did feel the one you quoted was justified. Still, need to improve. Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:06 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:03 Bill Murray wrote:
I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead.
I am voting not for randomness, but because I actually believe Divinek is Mafia. Far too early to vote for someone because you think their mafia. Far too early, you have like what? 2 lines and a boatload of assumptions. You have no facts, no voting patterns, no motives, no big posts yet. A vote like this should not be made yet. I highly urge you to note vote Divinek based on this reasoning. I still believe we should be pressuring every inactive person by threatening to lynch an inactive person. right now, it is the easiest way for mafia to slither through. Make a vote, spread them all out, without making really much a post then and there. By threatening to vote inactives, we get EVERYONE talking, and with that we have the beginnings of real hard evidence, not silly suspicions. This is the type of post I'm aiming for. Don't feel like I should be voted just because I'm not that good yet(second game.) Getting better, but as of yet do not feel I have the expierence to make the definitive "ok guys, this is what you should do." That's why I think the very first post after Flamewheel said "gogogo" I said, "ok pros, give advice now."
If you want some advice, I'd say to not take the spotlight if you're a townie. I am very bad for that sometimes, and I've been trying to fix that about my game. I don't mind doing it when I am a power role or mafia, but this just isn't my game.
On August 06 2010 13:11 rastaban wrote:I placed the third vote on Divinek so I must now be mafia.. but wait I then unvoted and voted for BM, so that is he otes me he will be mafia, since they always retaliate vote. Looks like we have reached an impasse good sir, a catch 22
not really, because I don't vote for idiots, or I'd be voting for myself.
On August 06 2010 13:15 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. i got quite the interesting vibe thus far as well. also good plan bm now that everyone knows it you can enact your super secret plan B right! If you were doing what you said you were doing, then obviously telling everyone that's what you were doing makes it a lie doesnt it? (since you openly told people before the entire point of the plan happened, you clearly didnt intend to do what you were saying you were) Or it makes you really stupid. lynch all liars as they say right
Here you go, scum trying to push policy. I don't know if your play is just generally off-putting or if you are in FACT scummy, but if you keep making posts like this there is no way in hell I'm taking my vote off of you.
On August 06 2010 15:00 VayeshMoru wrote:
I have just spent time reading some of the game Bill Murray just ran. I seem to be be at a crossroads now. The town last game early on was against random bandwagons starting. But I see this what would be defined as a mistake I suppose happening again. Is this meant to draw information? Although this early on I don't see how it would give you much to go on.
If I understand how this game should be done, should we not be concentrating on a more logical method for our lynching? I think it would be at least prudent if we discussed who was getting votes and why. As of now I see Divinek and Bill Murray tied at 3 votes. After looking at this, then comparing to what has been said, why are there no reasons posted? Is this method not too chaotic?
What would you suggest, then?
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On August 06 2010 15:18 BrownBear wrote:
Targeting inactives is the best way to go right now. To that end, I'm voting Jayme, who has not posted since his signup post, unless I missed something.
Jayme posted in the thread 24 minutes before this post :-/.
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As a town, we would really do well to coordinate and roleclaim in my opinion. Bluesniping would be easier, but honestly here at TL we are great at blue sniping. I haven't even HEARD the term blue sniping elsewhere. I'm guessing it comes from muta micro, but I'm not sure.
My suggestion is that we coordinate better if we know what units we have on the field. The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces. Every game where I've seen people nameclaim or roleclaim I've seen the town win as far as I can remember. Do you guys want to win? I am very competitive. I know I like to. I will risk my life for you guys. Feel free to claim to me. If everyone would just trust me this one time, we could have an epic game.
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That's so dumb. What the fuck, I don't even...
Btw lol I like your wall of posts pyrr.
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On August 06 2010 17:26 Bill Murray wrote:As a town, we would really do well to coordinate and roleclaim in my opinion. Bluesniping would be easier, but honestly here at TL we are great at blue sniping. I haven't even HEARD the term blue sniping elsewhere. I'm guessing it comes from muta micro, but I'm not sure. My suggestion is that we coordinate better if we know what units we have on the field. The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces. Every game where I've seen people nameclaim or roleclaim I've seen the town win as far as I can remember. Do you guys want to win? I am very competitive. I know I like to. I will risk my life for you guys. Feel free to claim to me. If everyone would just trust me this one time, we could have an epic game.
Dude, just shut up and let us kill you already before I figure out who the sixth and final member of your team is. Y'all have been so obvious about this when you should have just kept your cool and waited for people to change their joke votes. Instead, you freaked out with well over 24 hours left in the day and only a few votes on your precious comedian.
If anyone legit claims to him you should be permanently banned from TL mafia. I'm not really joking although I am too kind hearted to follow through on this.
Feel free to spam his inbox with joke claims, though, it could distract him from coordinating what they do next. In fact, I encourage this.
##vote Bill Murray
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Major thanks for that suicide post, by the way. Now I get to go to bed early (1:43 AM) instead of turning this 60 page word document of evidence into a huge ass post.
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If you honestly think I am scum, you have not ever seen me play scum. Everyone always pushes me when I am blue.
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rastaban and pyrrhuloxia both get +10 for being 3rd and 4th votes
rastaban also gets +10 for wishy washy voting
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BM, you're basically introducing an incredibly scummy plan. If you really think mass roleclaim would be beneficial, then please explain why. And "It worked in other games" is not a reason, seeing as how every setup is different. How can you say everyone claiming would be beneficial if you don't even know how many blues we have? Until you elaborate, my vote is on you, even if I don't like the bandwagon on you.
"The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces."
Mafia can easily claim townie, or a random blue. We don't know how many of each role there is. So we wouldn't be able to call any of them out on their fake claims. So how would we catch a mafia lying, unless they claimed a role that requires results that we can see?
##vote Bill Murray
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how about the fact we'll have 9 or 10 liars to pick from
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yet again i'm going to be mislynched when i am not mafia. i guess i really need to switch my play
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Okay apparently BM can't see what's wrong with his plan. I shall outline them for you.
If you are scum, we lose instantly.
If you are town, 6 people will lie and you won't know who lied and who didn't and you can't publicly reveal them without exposing their identity.
What are you going to do when all 6 scum claims town? Hmm? Oh right, nothing.
Do you really, really, really think every single person will claim to you? Do you know how hard organisation is, especially on a forum?
What are you going to do when the framer frames people? Uh oh.
Can't be fucked listing anymore.
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That said I'm not voting BM, because that's so blatantly obvious that only the stupidest of all stupid scum would say something like that. It's just BM being his BM townie.
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im going to bed. mafia on my wagon = 100% likely
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