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On August 06 2010 12:26 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 11:56 LSB wrote:On August 06 2010 11:35 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 06 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
darth are you gonna play normal this game, or at least not like last game
pleeeeeeease I don't know what you're talking about. Just thinking about balance, I think it's likely that we have 1 of each blue role? And probably 3-4 ninjas in the game, I'd lean toward 3. Look here for a comparison. Ninjas = Assassins, essentially. With a roleblocker + framer, something like 7 to 9 blue roles sounds right. Framer essentially replaces millers from previous games, except gives a little more power to the mafia. Roleblocker is standard. What makes things interesting is the ninjas. Not sure how that messes up balance. Discussion, go! And for the record: I am always for lynching inactives. Here's what I'm thinking. Okay, I'm still looking through that game, but it seems like the Assassin's War (dune ;P) ended too early for any real damage to be dealt. Ninja's could be an extreamly powerful weapon if they decided to ally with a faction in exchange for protection. Ninja Ally's with Mafia: We're screwed. The mafia gets a nice Vigilante/DT rolled into one, and the Ninja get's protection from Mafia night kills, and hopes the other Ninja's die before he does. Ninja Ally's with Town: Town can arrange Medic Protection, and the Ninja can draw upon the DT. So basically invincible ninja. The town gets the Vigilante/DT. Ninja gets caught by the DT: This would be the best case scenario. The DT could threaten to expose the Ninja, so the Ninja is forced to ally with the DT. So basically we have to identify the Ninja's ASAP and get them under Town control Yes, because it completely makes sense for the DT to threaten to expose the ninja. Because the DT could do that without exposing himself. Clearly. Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:11 bumatlarge wrote:If this one is half as epic as the nonsense last game, I will be satisfied. Already so many posts, hopefully I can keep up at this rate... So many new faces  Lynching an inactive is the usual order of things, an initial list of who isnt posting is a decent path to go. But lets assume that everyone will post, so keep tabs on the quality of posts. If someone is posting alot but squekin by on the quality department, thats a solid candidate. And I think we have alot of new players, so just in case you dont know what to post: - Try not to make useless posts unless your HILARIOUS like me. - If you dont know where to start, just speculate about the blue roles and ideas. Scared about that? Give opinions about other ideas! Just pour your heart out and if you are completely honest, you'll gain some cred in the view of the town. EVEN IF YOU ARE A GREENIE, MAKE BELIEVE YOU ARE BLUE. But just dont lie, lying is bad  (see citizen in XXVIII, even though it was kinda justified). I think it hit me when last game how well BC and his scummers were sniping roles based on posts. If you can think like you are the most important when you post, you will be such a threat to mafia. In a previous game, I said "Dont be afraid to die" but I guess that can be misleading, because I dont want you running out there saying "LYNCH ME" -_- just be willing to put yourself on the chopping block if you really disagree with what someone says or does. - You know what you are, so use you're own gut feelings on things. Dont listen to what ANYONE else says, unless you can see the benefits yourself. If I am certain scum in your eyes, and no one else thinks so, you have an obligation to make sure that I die, or die trying. I don't believe anyone here is stupid, or else you wouldnt be on TL. - If you are blue, again use your own judgement, and blend in as much as possible. Do what you gotta do, post like you think you should to stay alive. - If you are mafia, try to hit your own team members with some convoluted plan, frame the roleblocker, or roleblock the framer. Thats how you win as mafia. Im posting this chunk because I am not sure how active I'll be tomorrow due to work from 9-5 and then another job from 6-11 + Show Spoiler +On August 06 2010 11:35 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
darth are you gonna play normal this game, or at least not like last game
pleeeeeeease I don't know what you're talking about. Just thinking about balance, I think it's likely that we have 1 of each blue role? And probably 3-4 ninjas in the game, I'd lean toward 3. Look here for a comparison. Ninjas = Assassins, essentially. With a roleblocker + framer, something like 7 to 9 blue roles sounds right. Framer essentially replaces millers from previous games, except gives a little more power to the mafia. Roleblocker is standard. What makes things interesting is the ninjas. Not sure how that messes up balance. Discussion, go! And for the record: I am always for lynching inactives. Hmmm this seems incredibly scummy, FoS on you... I kid you darth, ninjas seem just some desu ex machina for either side, increases chances for hilarious situations. I need to read more into the blue roles. DTA always looks scummy. He can't help it. You can't FoS someone like that with one post. It almost never works that way. And BC n' co. needed Subversion to run naked through the town with "DT" painted in blue on his chest before they hit someone of consequence. The mafia sucked at blue sniping last game.
DT can use a proxy townie like was done last game with Zeks and lakrismamma.
Also, how did the mafia suck at blue sniping last game? They got every single blue long before the end of the game (and the end of the game was significantly shortened BECAUSE they sniped every blue). You were the one playing like a total scrub early game, linking pretty much all the blues together and accusing them as a group of scum (remember your PM parade telling everyone to lynch Subversion?).
I hope people don't use PMs to the same effect this game, I'd say stay very wary of most PMs early game (case in point: Subversion revealing to Pandain that he was DT without having checked Pandain, Pandain was in fact a miller, but still could have been very dangerous).
I never found out how Subversion's DT role got leaked, that was well and truly stupid as fuck.
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@Divenek I'll try to be as active as possible. I was better during the end of that last mafia game. At least I was right for my lynching targets 
I'm not used to being active early game, so lets try this out. From my last two games, it seemed like we always tried to vote for inactives, except for the XXIII where town voted for a one liner mistake. We shouldn't do that. Because just because you make one mistake early doesn't mean you are mafia, just more likely. We should always be suspicious, but not impulsive. And the other game was where we had to vote for a mayor and a pardoner, so people had to talk.
As for strategies in the beginning... no idea. I'm still learning, (I still haven't done what you told me to do BC sorry!)
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On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski.
Naw Pandain played like this last game. I thought it was scummy too and that evidence was supported by a freaking DT check but he ended up flipping miller. I mean I was so sure he was scum...
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On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski.
i got quite the interesting vibe thus far as well.
also good plan bm now that everyone knows it you can enact your super secret plan B right! If you were doing what you said you were doing, then obviously telling everyone that's what you were doing makes it a lie doesnt it? (since you openly told people before the entire point of the plan happened, you clearly didnt intend to do what you were saying you were) Or it makes you really stupid.
lynch all liars as they say right
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On August 06 2010 13:14 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Naw Pandain played like this last game. I thought it was scummy too and that evidence was supported by a freaking DT check but he ended up flipping miller. I mean I was so sure he was scum...
but that makes you wonder what he'd give off if he was actually scum doesnt it
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On August 06 2010 13:16 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:14 youngminii wrote:On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Naw Pandain played like this last game. I thought it was scummy too and that evidence was supported by a freaking DT check but he ended up flipping miller. I mean I was so sure he was scum... but that makes you wonder what he'd give off if he was actually scum doesnt it
I don't think he'd be too much of a threat if he was scum (no offense Pandain) and I dunno it would be his first time as scum wouldn't it? He'd drop scumtells all over the place imo.
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On August 06 2010 13:17 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:16 Divinek wrote:On August 06 2010 13:14 youngminii wrote:On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Naw Pandain played like this last game. I thought it was scummy too and that evidence was supported by a freaking DT check but he ended up flipping miller. I mean I was so sure he was scum... but that makes you wonder what he'd give off if he was actually scum doesnt it I don't think he'd be too much of a threat if he was scum (no offense Pandain) and I dunno it would be his first time as scum wouldn't it? He'd drop scumtells all over the place imo.
Its True
Note: Kill Youngmini Tonight.
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On August 06 2010 13:21 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:17 youngminii wrote:On August 06 2010 13:16 Divinek wrote:On August 06 2010 13:14 youngminii wrote:On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Naw Pandain played like this last game. I thought it was scummy too and that evidence was supported by a freaking DT check but he ended up flipping miller. I mean I was so sure he was scum... but that makes you wonder what he'd give off if he was actually scum doesnt it I don't think he'd be too much of a threat if he was scum (no offense Pandain) and I dunno it would be his first time as scum wouldn't it? He'd drop scumtells all over the place imo. Its True Note: Kill Youngmini Tonight.
Why wait until tonight when we got a lynch today?
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On August 06 2010 13:13 Misder wrote:@Divenek I'll try to be as active as possible. I was better during the end of that last mafia game. At least I was right for my lynching targets I'm not used to being active early game, so lets try this out. From my last two games, it seemed like we always tried to vote for inactives, except for the XXIII where town voted for a one liner mistake. We shouldn't do that. Because just because you make one mistake early doesn't mean you are mafia, just more likely. We should always be suspicious, but not impulsive. And the other game was where we had to vote for a mayor and a pardoner, so people had to talk. As for strategies in the beginning... no idea. I'm still learning, (I still haven't done what you told me to do BC sorry!)
What are you even saying? Be sure to post a little bit more, because there isnt much substance here.
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On August 06 2010 13:25 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:21 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 13:17 youngminii wrote:On August 06 2010 13:16 Divinek wrote:On August 06 2010 13:14 youngminii wrote:On August 06 2010 13:07 Foolishness wrote:On August 06 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:On August 06 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Pandain is #2 on my suspect list behind Divinek due to PM-land Says the guy trying to get me to reveal my role. I think we should seriously take a look at this brodooski...he's yet to make any real contribution, despite an overflowing of posts. He got pretty defensive when divinek voted for him, which isn't fool proof I know, but it's definitely something to take note of. Bill Murray, I may not have any idea how you're playing these days, but I'd totally support you against this brodooski. Naw Pandain played like this last game. I thought it was scummy too and that evidence was supported by a freaking DT check but he ended up flipping miller. I mean I was so sure he was scum... but that makes you wonder what he'd give off if he was actually scum doesnt it I don't think he'd be too much of a threat if he was scum (no offense Pandain) and I dunno it would be his first time as scum wouldn't it? He'd drop scumtells all over the place imo. Its True Note: Kill Youngmini Tonight. Why wait until tonight when we got a lynch today?
Hehe.........
Anyway, on the theme of being more useful and going along with my plan of getting all inactives to talk or be lynched, here's the list of people who haven't talked yet. Obviously this does not mean their mafia, not even close. This game has only been going for a couple hours and RL stuff can obviously be interfering or the such. Stilll, this kind of stuff is useful to keep track of.
1.Chezinu
2.Pyrrhuloxia(talked once)
3.Xelin
4.Jayme
5.Roffles
6.Hesmyrr
7.Infunblahblah
8.Laan
Not sure(and hard to find profile thing)
1.Love1another
2.larjarse
If you have posted, please say so and quote your post. So then this can be as accurate as possible. With that, everyone here start talking!
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Oh fuck Chez is in this game. I totally love his unique play but it gets fucking annoying when we're trying to find scum and he's always topping the scum list.
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On August 06 2010 13:35 Pandain wrote:
7.Infunblahblah!
It's iNfuNdiBuLuM
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On August 06 2010 13:37 Chezinu wrote:
Hey Guys,
I'm Chezinu!
How was I mistake for someone in this game? Perplexing
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Foolishness
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On August 06 2010 13:37 Chezinu wrote:
Hey Guys,
I'm Chezinu!
Yo guys...now I don't want to cause a commotion or anything...but I think it's Chezinu...
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No cheezedoodle, I will not accept your methods this game, I better see some quality posting, or extremely awesome chez posts at least. Dont try to justify it young.
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On August 06 2010 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:
No cheezedoodle, I will not accept your methods this game, I better see some quality posting, or extremely awesome chez posts at least. Dont try to justify it young.
Why are you being so hard on Chez? I mean he's not BAD, but when people try to imitate him it's bad (case in point: DTA last game). I don't see why you're trying to force him to change his play when it works for him. Yeah it's annoying but if it works, it works.
What's the bet that if Chez does change his style, bum will accuse him of being scum because of his changed ways?
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On August 06 2010 10:22 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 10:18 KF91 wrote:
Alright, reporting in for attendance XD
First days are hard to do anything in, but as with what LSB said, it's always good to target the inactives rather than targeting blindly on Day 1. yay lets go through the same discussion we do at the start of every game! im just waiting for the day that we actually lynch an inactive person day 1 that turns out to be mafia, ie never
I'm pretty sure we got a red like this before. RebirthofLegend I think. Nevertheless, I think we should vote on behavior this time around.
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On August 06 2010 13:44 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:
No cheezedoodle, I will not accept your methods this game, I better see some quality posting, or extremely awesome chez posts at least. Dont try to justify it young. Why are you being so hard on Chez? I mean he's not BAD, but when people try to imitate him it's bad (case in point: DTA last game). I don't see why you're trying to force him to change his play when it works for him. Yeah it's annoying but if it works, it works. What's the bet that if Chez does change his style, bum will accuse him of being scum because of his changed ways?
Wow I wasnt one to get on people's ass for what they said on the first day, but I may have to change that. If chez changes his style, I will eat my words. Ive seen him try to be smart about the game and succeed. You are justifying him again. If it works? He was red, and town doesnt lynch him eventually because hes being chezinu (has happened before). DOESNT WORK. Ok hes blue and hes trying to lead the scum astray, but gets lynched eventually. DOESNT WORK. Hes green, and mafia wont touch him anyway, town lynches him eventually, and although hes not blue, still a wasted lynch. DOESNT WORK.
Or can I assume that by "it works", you mean it works for mafia. Im not pointing a finger at you, but you excusing him is silly. Chez knows how to act normal. Dont egg him on.
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Sorry, I feel like derailing for just one little moment to boost my ego.
On August 06 2010 12:26 tree.hugger wrote:
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And BC n' co. needed Subversion to run naked through the town with "DT" painted in blue on his chest before they hit someone of consequence. The mafia sucked at blue sniping last game.
Are you sure about that, tree.hugger?
Disregarding the bomb, detail to me how all the blues were dead by Night 4. Explain to me how Roffles died Night 2, and how we hit a Veteran night 1. And no, I didn't need Subversion to "run naked" through the metaphorical town. We could have killed him any time we wanted. BloodyC0bbler had the blue roster being lakrismamma/sINiquity/bumatlarge (two for three). d3 was read for a vet, and Divinek claimed. The only ones we didn't figure out were the two town KP roles, and there was no need to. Only reason we "sucked" at blue sniping by your definition was because we were nerfed by having 2 KP instead of 3, and having two veterans and two medics makes for permanently invincible people if not stacked. Add to that the fact that if you hit somebody and they survive, they are confirmed town due to the fact that Mafia cannot hit their own. Think about all that, and then tell us again that Mafia sucked at bluesniping last game.
Alright, just wanted to say that. Enjoy the game!
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