Penalty Mafia

On August 08 2010 09:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Well, my role is whack, Im not sure why I would use my power at all. The roles seem to be based off regular roles with some twist.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles

On August 08 2010 16:22 Ace wrote:
Me speculating and being almost sure that we have a Vigilante based on the fact that our town roles have penalties doesn't warrant a soft claim.

You should know better than that.

On August 08 2010 18:56 Scamp wrote:
This looks like every mafia game I've ever played with either Ace or Bill Murray in it.

Bill Murray has already screwed up the game and day one isn't even close to over.

Ace is also playing like his usual self which will result in either the town killing him early or the mafia will have to stack all their kills on him. (Not really a factor in this game since the KP is 1 but the point is there.) But even he is talking a lot about Bill Murray and that's what's at the forefront of all conversation right now.

So again, BM finds a way to screw up the game. And Ace will probably die one way or the other and get really pissed off about it.

Anyway...

Based on the way he's acting, I'm willing to believe Pyrr is town for now.

And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks.

On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote:
How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.

If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.

I'd like to hear Ace's plan though.

On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.

I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum.

On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.

P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.

Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.

1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...

2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:



This tells us 2 things:

The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself.

Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell:

Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.

If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced.

Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit.

## vote Pyrr

On August 09 2010 07:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

You already told the mafia to force you to do it so...
You should have just stayed low if you were worrieda bout the mafia forcing you to use your action. That said, I doubt there's a mafia role to force someone to use their action.

A role that limits someone's speaking seems pretty guaranteed, though. I think one of the examples Hesmyrr gave was a shy townie that had some posting restrictions. That would be a really lame/boring role to have so I could see Hesmyrr balancing that by giving some way for the silent person to know red roles - I could see Hesmyrr assuming that we wouldn't immediately jump to the hypothesis I had on BM's role.

It could be that BM is following an example claim given to the mafia by Hesmyrr, or he just thought he would fake being unable to speak to lay low as red, and BM just used my question to him as an excuse to try to kill Ace. If we were to kill Ace and he flips non-red, though, we'd go after BM and I don't think that's a good trade for mafia.

On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr

for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute

On August 09 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

It doesn't really put more pressure on Ace because it just means BM was fucking around. Or that Hesmyrr forgot some of his rules or we are misinterpreting them (doubt it). It doesn't clear me but I think it undermines the reasons people are currently voting for me, which based on me working in concert with BM.

On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

Not all penalties imply roles.

##vote Ace

On August 09 2010 10:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

I'm scummy because I'm trying (and failing miserably) to keep the mafia from picking out blues.
Ace is clearly innocent because his plan is getting us no closer to identifying any scum and never will.

On August 09 2010 11:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

Some of them imply blue. That's all mafia needs. Sure some blues might have penalties that don't hint that they are blue. How many people out there are green and have penalties that hint blue? So far only Divinek, who may be mafia. In any case hadn't heard otherwise and I'm sure the mafia like their odds based on how this conversation has played out (ie right into mafia hands) which is why I should have realized not to have the conversation in the first place but congrats for catching me playing like crap.

On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:

If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.

On August 10 2010 10:15 citi.zen wrote:


Need to look back at day 1, but you're not a bad candidate Bill. Let' not get ahead of ourselves though. Ace goes first. + Show Spoiler +

@Ace: Why do you not think you'll get lynched? I'm not saying I'm going to vote you, mind.

On August 11 2010 09:09 LSB wrote:
Okay, I don't understand why the mafia would want to kill Ace.

It seems more likely that Ace was killed by a Vigi, and then the Mafia's kill got blocked

Day 2+ mafia errors

* Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor".

On August 11 2010 09:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Maybe Mafia has to kill in alphabetical order

On August 12 2010 00:43 Korynne wrote:
Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
zeks: Pitiful
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating
Bill Murray:
Divinek:
Jayme:
chaoser:

On August 12 2010 01:51 Korynne wrote:
Oops, thanks Hesmyrr.

In that case it looks like BM will have to off Divinek or bumatlarge tonight if he decides to use his ability. In this case I'd like to see at least an adjective claim from Divinek, though I suspect he's probably off birthday celebrating...

On August 14 2010 07:27 Korynne wrote:
Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.

You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?

Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation.

On August 13 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Now:
7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people.
Tonight:
a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit
b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit
c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide.

Tomorrow Night:
a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 5v2 if I hit (similar to c9 I believe?)
b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts
c.) i'm not exploring craziness

The next night would be lylo if I mishit tomorrow night, so I can wait a day, or not use it at all tomorrow night either if we get no info. If by some odd chance we have a bodyguard role, please for the love of God protect me tonight. If there is a tracker who can track a mafia to a kill tonight, that would be GREAT. If not, I might not hit tomorrow, as 5v3 is better than 4v3. I don't want to be in lylo.

Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not

im quite certain bm did give a logical explanation

On August 16 2010 10:45 LSB wrote:


I'm with you on that, I see why bluffing vigi is a bad idea. But at the same time, BM has not acted rational at all this game.

Day 1, his little mess up the town. That was not rational. It is unforgivable that he then twists his words to say it was a way to attack Pyrr

I'm more willing to buy the story that the medic protected BM from the Vigi hit because he was begging for protection

"Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night"

On August 16 2010 11:48 Korynne wrote:
Like I said, I strongly suggest we lynch someone who is not me or BM tonight and let BM vigi me tonight.

BM, I'm not red. So you won't get a lot of information when I die. Instead it FoS's you and citi.zen. I don't know if I think you or citi.zen is red...

So, I'm town, I'll let BM vigi me tonight by voting for majority. (But of course it wouldn't work if me or BM was lynched today) If I was mafia and we're in LYLO tomorrow then obviously you lynch me tomorrow. This is pretty much like a double lynch, since we got to choose to vigi me.

On August 16 2010 12:15 Divinek wrote:


i cant say exactly what it is, because

if i say exactly what it is i will surely be killed by it if the condition is met

On August 17 2010 09:12 Scamp wrote:
I'm really not sure what the vote count is right now. I hope my vote isn't needed.

##vote: abstain

On August 22 2010 09:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Basically, I was right to lynch Bill Murray for lying but no one gave a shit. Not lynching BM after Ace died is sort of inexcusable.

I wanted to lynch Ace because I found his plan to be very pro-mafia and not very pro-town. I still believe that to be the case. He believes the inverse and now thinks I suck. I do suck at playing when I'm not red. I still think Ace is good but I also still think his plan made town worse off.