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On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote:
How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.
If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.
I'd like to hear Ace's plan though.
Um, wow, I think its pretty clear his penalty is the problem here, not him. FoS on you for something that he cant help. Saw BC do this before, not cool man, not cool.
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yeah given what you've said so far you might as well tell us then lol
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On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_-
I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.
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On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.
sounds like quite the dangerous role to have if you're gonna bring up it's importance and then just not say why it's so bad?
im curious how the ace/bm thing interferes with us knowing your 'role' and how 5 more people would make that situation any different.
ill show you mine if you show me yours wink wink
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The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.
P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.
Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.
1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...
2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things:
The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself.
Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell:
Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.
If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced.
Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit.
## vote Pyrr
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On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.
You already told the mafia to force you to do it so...
You should have just stayed low if you were worrieda bout the mafia forcing you to use your action. That said, I doubt there's a mafia role to force someone to use their action.
A role that limits someone's speaking seems pretty guaranteed, though. I think one of the examples Hesmyrr gave was a shy townie that had some posting restrictions. That would be a really lame/boring role to have so I could see Hesmyrr balancing that by giving some way for the silent person to know red roles - I could see Hesmyrr assuming that we wouldn't immediately jump to the hypothesis I had on BM's role.
It could be that BM is following an example claim given to the mafia by Hesmyrr, or he just thought he would fake being unable to speak to lay low as red, and BM just used my question to him as an excuse to try to kill Ace. If we were to kill Ace and he flips non-red, though, we'd go after BM and I don't think that's a good trade for mafia.
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Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain
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On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain
Right.
##vote BillMurray
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Because I wanted to let everyone talk before I started laying down the law.
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On August 04 2010 17:33 Bill Murray wrote:
even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched
Can someone quote where it says theres no PM restriction penalty? I believe you Ace but if you could just show it to everyone else it'd be better. I do remember seeing that posted just can't find where it was
#Vote Bill Murray
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##vote Bill Murray
He better start talking, argh.
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I'll be lenient on ignoring capitalization or omission of vote when abstaining as long as it is clear in it's intent.
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On August 09 2010 07:23 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 17:33 Bill Murray wrote:
even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched Can someone quote where it says theres no PM restriction penalty? I believe you Ace but if you could just show it to everyone else it'd be better. I do remember seeing that posted just can't find where it was #Vote Bill Murray
ctrl-f, it's in the very first post of the thread.
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@zeks: Right above where it says special rules in the OP.
Aside from Bill Murray talk about the mass penalty claim.
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Posting penalties will give clues to the reds about roles. I'm not sure how we can use them against the reds; I'm sure they can give plausible ones since the rules say so.
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How so? I just gave you my penalty up there and even gave extra information that I didn't have to. Do you know my role?
And if we aren't going to mass penalty claim then what do you think we should do?
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"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass.
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Maybe it could help town. Maybe not. But I think there is no chance it doesn't help the mafia some. And I think it would only be a small chance that it helps town more than it helps mafia.
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On August 09 2010 07:25 Ace wrote:
@zeks: Right above where it says special rules in the OP.
Aside from Bill Murray talk about the mass penalty claim.
hmm you would think he wouldnt be retarded enough to do something so poor so obviously, at least if he was red since this play puts him right in the spot light, but i dont put it past him. I dont wanna hop on the wagon just yet because he's done dumb shit as town but after hearing him speak i can be more than happy killing him if he's screwing with and confusing the town even if he is green
the mass penalty claim, hm i dont see how it could be bad for town? Unless perhaps there are penalties that relate to death like mine, which could have negative side effects if the mafia kill that person or something?
it seems like it is far more beneficial for us to be aware of each other's restrictions so we dont paint them in a poor light for something they're unable to do, or perhaps behaving in a strange way because they have to.
Could we reason out the scum from having the penalties? I dont know... maybe the scum might make up one that doesnt make any sense and we could try to catch them that way?
it's hard because you have to think like how the host would think more so than just a general idea, though im sure there are some impossibilities we could eliminate based on claims in instances where something would break the game i guess.
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