EPTfor now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote: ## vote Pyrr for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute wait so are you saying bm is red with pyrr...? or he's just a mindless townie following something someone said because he likes to fuck around? i'm confused to your line of reasoning here because it doesnt really make sense. Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has. i just want more explanations sir | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:43 Divinek wrote: wait so are you saying bm is red with pyrr...? or he's just a mindless townie following something someone said because he likes to fuck around? i'm confused to your line of reasoning here because it doesnt really make sense. Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has. i just want more explanations sir Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has. this, I think it's really weird that right after he voted ace, pyrr just so happened to be like, hey, is it cause you can't talk cause you have information on who's mafia via a list or something and then BM was like vote/unvote. THEN pyrr was like hey, if ace is on the list, vote/unvote and BM did. Seems kinda iffy to me don't you think? But then they got caught with the whole "no post restrictions" thing and have to backtrack now. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
BM: vote Ace to Pyrr: do you have a list of mafia/Ace is on that list | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them." I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:53 Ace wrote: Chaoser I said the same thing earlier. Especially knowing that BM is an idiot, why would you make up a penalty for him KNOWING that would fuck around to try and kill me. Pyrr should know better than that. that's unless he's trying to get an early wagon started on you lol wouldnt that be an ideal first day lynch for the mafia, towns most experienced/recognized name... i dont like it at all hm ##vote pyrr | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Lol "No post restriction bs though." Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace? ##abstain Talk ##vote BillMurray Other Issues -If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote: As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM Makes sense to me. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote: Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D Oops I can't read either, there isn't any double lynch. In instead of 2 days, Bill's death buys 3 days. As day 3 we lynch his 'right hand man'. Assuming no vigis act, that would leave the town with 4 townies vrs. 2 mafia at the start of day 4. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless. There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway. ##Vote Bill Murray | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote: Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1. I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless. There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway. ##Vote Bill Murray so i saw you posted something and then voted, but can you justify your vote plz or say why you're doing it etc do you have your own line of reasoning or are you just wagoning cause you hate bm, cause i can totally understand that man | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote: Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1. I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless. There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway. ##Vote Bill Murray Don't use it!!!!! | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote: Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1. I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless. There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway. ##Vote Bill Murray I don't understand, what would mafia count becoming 4 mean? they have more KP? You become mafia? where's the 4th mafia? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote: Talk ##vote BillMurray Other Issues -If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more. infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 09 2010 09:08 chaoser wrote: I don't understand, what would mafia count becoming 4 mean? they have more KP? You become mafia? where's the 4th mafia? The count would matter for Lynch or Lose situations. The mafia automatically wins if they outnumber the town. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I'm totally down with the Bill Murray bandwagon right now as other than the inactive (who may have a legitimate excuse) he looks like the best play. The only thing that I'm concerned about it is that there seems to be no consideration as to what to do if BM flips green or blue. It doesn't clear Pyrr and puts more pressure on Ace, who at this point is looking like our strongest player. | ||
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