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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 26 2011 04:59 GMT
#181
Ver is playing on midnight's stream in FXOpen!!!
Uff Da
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 06:07:27
March 26 2011 05:01 GMT
#182
lol, I've been watching him in the brackets, didn't know he was on stream

edit- brackets just updated, Ver is out

Knocking out Fenix is something to be proud of, anyway
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 05:08:57
March 26 2011 05:02 GMT
#183
On March 26 2011 14:01 GGQ wrote:
lol, I've been watching him in the brackets, didn't know he was on stream

Looks like they're in between games. I have no idea what the score is though. Looks like the English stream is also casting Ver now. Or not..... streamers are disorganized and giving mixed messages. And now neither streamer is going to cast Ver's games..... Ugh.....
Uff Da
Keifru
Profile Joined November 2010
United States179 Posts
March 26 2011 06:03 GMT
#184
This is the only place I can think of to say this

Why are the games so big? 30 players in insane mafia, 40 players in the <insert roman numerals> game...wouldn't it be sensible to keep smaller player counts and have more games?
Conflict is the gadfly of thought. It stirs us to observation and memory. It instigates us to invention. It shocks us out of sheeplike passivity, and sets us at noting and contriving. - John Dewey
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 06:08:17
March 26 2011 06:06 GMT
#185
There are some mini games occasionally, I actually have a setup ready for review for an 11 player game, however RoL apparently has to host 4 or so minis for a class, and I don't want to interfere.

You should be seeing some minis popping up in relatively short order, but minis end kind of quickly. Also IMO larger games are more fun.

PS. Ver Fighting!

EDIT: Ver lost >.<
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Keifru
Profile Joined November 2010
United States179 Posts
March 26 2011 06:13 GMT
#186
A 'mini' is considered 11 people...?

The thing about big games is at a point it becomes a headache to keep track of everything; esp when you have a limited number of posts per page viewable. Lots of players means lots of pages fast.
Conflict is the gadfly of thought. It stirs us to observation and memory. It instigates us to invention. It shocks us out of sheeplike passivity, and sets us at noting and contriving. - John Dewey
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 26 2011 06:22 GMT
#187
On March 26 2011 15:13 Keifru wrote:
A 'mini' is considered 11 people...?

The thing about big games is at a point it becomes a headache to keep track of everything; esp when you have a limited number of posts per page viewable. Lots of players means lots of pages fast.


What do you consider a mini then? I mean if you do much less than say 9 you start dangerously close to lylo and give very little room for any interesting roles
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 26 2011 06:26 GMT
#188
On March 26 2011 15:13 Keifru wrote:
A 'mini' is considered 11 people...?

The thing about big games is at a point it becomes a headache to keep track of everything; esp when you have a limited number of posts per page viewable. Lots of players means lots of pages fast.

The thing is, 30-40 player games aren't really big for us here. The first 10ish games on TL were at least 60 players. Mafia 2 had a whopping 132 players!
Uff Da
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 26 2011 06:30 GMT
#189
On March 26 2011 15:26 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 15:13 Keifru wrote:
A 'mini' is considered 11 people...?

The thing about big games is at a point it becomes a headache to keep track of everything; esp when you have a limited number of posts per page viewable. Lots of players means lots of pages fast.

The thing is, 30-40 player games aren't really big for us here. The first 10ish games on TL were at least 60 players. Mafia 2 had a whopping 132 players!


What happened to 60 people games? That sounds epic... 132 players... pretty easy to lurk though and hell to mod i'd imagine... I assume it was decided that it was an unmanageable number of players? Still I'd love to see a gargantuan setup.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 26 2011 18:08 GMT
#190
On March 26 2011 15:30 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 15:26 Qatol wrote:
On March 26 2011 15:13 Keifru wrote:
A 'mini' is considered 11 people...?

The thing about big games is at a point it becomes a headache to keep track of everything; esp when you have a limited number of posts per page viewable. Lots of players means lots of pages fast.

The thing is, 30-40 player games aren't really big for us here. The first 10ish games on TL were at least 60 players. Mafia 2 had a whopping 132 players!


What happened to 60 people games? That sounds epic... 132 players... pretty easy to lurk though and hell to mod i'd imagine... I assume it was decided that it was an unmanageable number of players? Still I'd love to see a gargantuan setup.


I think the last 60+ game was Haunted and err well....this happened:

d3_cresentia replaced by ghrur
CKSide replaced by Divinek
goldfishs replaced by ZaplinG
kuja900 replaced by BrownBear
mptj replaced by RebirthOfLegend
Zeraghul replaced by Artanis[Xp]
Bill Murray repalced by glurio
Kpyolysis32 the Gravedigger has been modkilled
~OpZ~ the Grim Reaper has been modkilled
ZaplinG the townie has been modkilled
l0st_romantic the Zombie has been modkilled.
TheMunkey the Zombie has been modkilled.
seRaPh the Zombie has been modkilled.
TheRick the Boogeyman has been modkilled.
hittegods the Frankenstein has been modkilled.
XeliN the Mad Scientist has been modkilled.
chesshaha the Mafia Skeleton has been modkilled.
Neos the Mafia Skeleton has been modkilled.
Iankill the Vampire Spawn has been modkilled.
aztrorisk the Zombie Detective has been modkilled.
Yogy the Zombie has been modkilled.
grandmoose the Zombie has been modkilled.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 26 2011 19:28 GMT
#191
On March 27 2011 03:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 15:30 GMarshal wrote:
On March 26 2011 15:26 Qatol wrote:
On March 26 2011 15:13 Keifru wrote:
A 'mini' is considered 11 people...?

The thing about big games is at a point it becomes a headache to keep track of everything; esp when you have a limited number of posts per page viewable. Lots of players means lots of pages fast.

The thing is, 30-40 player games aren't really big for us here. The first 10ish games on TL were at least 60 players. Mafia 2 had a whopping 132 players!


What happened to 60 people games? That sounds epic... 132 players... pretty easy to lurk though and hell to mod i'd imagine... I assume it was decided that it was an unmanageable number of players? Still I'd love to see a gargantuan setup.


I think the last 60+ game was Haunted and err well....this happened:

d3_cresentia replaced by ghrur
CKSide replaced by Divinek
goldfishs replaced by ZaplinG
kuja900 replaced by BrownBear
mptj replaced by RebirthOfLegend
Zeraghul replaced by Artanis[Xp]
Bill Murray repalced by glurio
Kpyolysis32 the Gravedigger has been modkilled
~OpZ~ the Grim Reaper has been modkilled
ZaplinG the townie has been modkilled
l0st_romantic the Zombie has been modkilled.
TheMunkey the Zombie has been modkilled.
seRaPh the Zombie has been modkilled.
TheRick the Boogeyman has been modkilled.
hittegods the Frankenstein has been modkilled.
XeliN the Mad Scientist has been modkilled.
chesshaha the Mafia Skeleton has been modkilled.
Neos the Mafia Skeleton has been modkilled.
Iankill the Vampire Spawn has been modkilled.
aztrorisk the Zombie Detective has been modkilled.
Yogy the Zombie has been modkilled.
grandmoose the Zombie has been modkilled.

Meh I think that game was really good for weeding out the chronically inactive players. You have no idea how much BC has raged about kuja's inactivity in the past.
Uff Da
Keifru
Profile Joined November 2010
United States179 Posts
March 26 2011 21:16 GMT
#192
On March 26 2011 15:22 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 15:13 Keifru wrote:
A 'mini' is considered 11 people...?

The thing about big games is at a point it becomes a headache to keep track of everything; esp when you have a limited number of posts per page viewable. Lots of players means lots of pages fast.


What do you consider a mini then? I mean if you do much less than say 9 you start dangerously close to lylo and give very little room for any interesting roles

Well I am new here, but I've been involved in another community; I'm feeling a bit lazy so mostly just copied them. These are what I've come to use as a 'ruler' for Normal games and Mini games...

+ Show Spoiler [Normal] +

Normal games are intended to be setups with a moderate degree of complication. While they may be more complicated than the traditional roles found in newbie or basic games, hosts should use their best judgment before adding offbeat or unexpected role mechanics commonly found in specialty games.

The following may never be used in a Normal game without permission from a council member.

1. A player on the replace list with a role.
2. A player not listed in the game that has an effect on the game.
3. A role with no feasible win condition. (A neutral that cannot win with town or mafia, and has no kills, for example.)
4. A role that may VOTE after death. Please confirm any post-death abilities with a reviewer even if they are not vote-related.
5. The mod having a role.


These are generally metagame roles, which have been restricted due to unplayability, infeasibility, or the fact that the average normal game should not require its players to expect such twists that they might from a Specialty game.


+ Show Spoiler [Specialty] +

Specialty games are designed to give hosts a free hand to create new and innovative game mechanics.

To sign up to Host a special game, you must:
1. Have a game setup finished or near finished.
2. Submit the setup to a council member for review/balancing.
3. Have participated in three complete games.

+ Show Spoiler [Mini] +

Mini game queue is for setups with 12 or fewer players. Any level of complication or simplicity is acceptable.

+ Show Spoiler [Basic] +

Basic games are the simplest level of design. Players should expect traditional mafia roles with very little embellishment. Basic games are an excellent place to work on mastering behavioral analysis techniques. While new players are always welcome to join other game types, basic games provide a simple, uncomplicated introduction to the fundamentals of the game.

With game limits of:

We run 2 Normal, 2 Mini, 1 Specialty, 1 Fast-Track, and 1 Player's Choice game at any given time. Basic games are run according to demand.

And players limited to 3 games at once; though most opt for 1, max 2.
Conflict is the gadfly of thought. It stirs us to observation and memory. It instigates us to invention. It shocks us out of sheeplike passivity, and sets us at noting and contriving. - John Dewey
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 04 2011 01:10 GMT
#193
See, RoL's situation is why we need an actual fulltime mod for the subforum that knows what's up
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 18:43:50
April 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#194
On April 04 2011 10:10 chaoser wrote:
See, RoL's situation is why we need an actual fulltime mod for the subforum that knows what's up

I don't think one would have helped in that situation unless they happened to be online when RoL made those requests. ITW knew about the situation, he just wasn't around and the mods saw all of the smurf accounts and jumped to conclusions. It could have happened just as easily with a dedicated mafia forum moderator.

For example, if I had been a staff member during that time (which I only mention because of earlier suggestions in this thread), I wouldn't have noticed the situation until after RoL got banned. And then RoL still would have needed an admin to step in and sort everything out.

QuickStriker's passive agressive semi-martyrdom is probably a better example of why it might be nice to have a moderator read this forum more often.
Uff Da
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 06 2011 16:46 GMT
#195
On April 04 2011 16:52 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 10:10 chaoser wrote:
See, RoL's situation is why we need an actual fulltime mod for the subforum that knows what's up

I don't think one would have helped in that situation unless they happened to be online when RoL made those requests. ITW knew about the situation, he just wasn't around and the mods saw all of the smurf accounts and jumped to conclusions. It could have happened just as easily with a dedicated mafia forum moderator.

For example, if I had been a staff member during that time (which I only mention because of earlier suggestions in this thread), I wouldn't have noticed the situation until after RoL got banned. And then RoL still would have needed an admin to step in and sort everything out.

QuickStriker's passive agressive semi-martyrdom is probably a better example of why it might be nice to have a moderator read this forum more often.


Well what would happen is that RoL/Random person #1 would tell you he/she wants to start a game with smurf accounts. You would then open up a thread in the MiR Forum explaining what will be happening (RoL/#1 making smurf accounts for a game). After leaving it open for like 2 or 3 days I'm pretty sure most of the mods will have seen it and then at that time you can tell RoL/#1 it's ok for him to start doing stuff and that way problems will be less likely to occur.

Also, this makes it so that the mods can't just be like "You're a dumbass, communicate more" when clearly RoL PMed ITW about it already and also posted a post in the sign up thread about it so he did communicate. Not to mention the whole BM/QS situation could have been a bit less messy. Also, since we just opened up signups and a flood of newbies will be coming in, I feel like we need some sort of actual mod to deal with the unforeseeable problems that might arise.

Also I'm sure sometimes someone will do something stupid outside the mafia forum that gets them temp banned and then they mess up a game. I remember someone did it once as Red Mafia so that he could be inactive for a few days and divert heat off of himself. The mod would make them unbanned on the mafia forums itself can't they? Just like how people can be banned from just one section of the site?

At the end of the day I'd rather have someone who actually interacts with the people in the subforum moderating everything involving it than someone sent from above.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 01:03:11
April 24 2011 00:40 GMT
#196
Ver is playing in the FXOpen on the FXOpen stream right now!
EDIT: Okay it's over. I'll keep you updated if he's on again.
Uff Da
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 23:20:32
May 27 2011 23:18 GMT
#197
Woah our forum moved!

EDIT: and we don't need staff to give people access any more!
Uff Da
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 23:24:27
May 27 2011 23:22 GMT
#198
On May 28 2011 08:18 Qatol wrote:
Woah our forum moved!

EDIT: and we don't need staff to give people access any more!

... what the hell? when was this decided? I was about to go to bed when I noticed this. This could be bad or good. I guess we'll see soon enough.

EDIT: this change seems to disagree with my recent post button I click it and it insists that I posted post 198 here 49 times O.O
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 23:25:35
May 27 2011 23:23 GMT
#199
It's open to everybody?

EDIT: this could be very very bad... I'm uneasy about this change.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
May 27 2011 23:26 GMT
#200
Yeah I'm not sure how I feel about this...
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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