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On July 16 2010 02:28 Hesmyrr wrote: Huh, the clue is losing. Don't know what to feel about that, as I am impartial to them but understand it to be one of unique constants present in TL Mafia community. I voted for Mr. Mustard, but only because the butler wasn't an option. How does the clue change the game dynamic? Also for the person earlier mentioning the Infested Terrans and DTs, in this case DT actualy meant detective and not dark templar..... yeah it took me a while to figure that one out when i was reading the boards. | ||
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On July 16 2010 04:29 YellowInk wrote: I agree with this. The other impact of clues is that at the endgame you're going to have multiple clues pointing at the last couple mafia which can make it really tough for scum to pull out a close victory. Clues definitely help the town in the 'close' games. I also would not like to burden any mod with the onus of making fair and balanced clues. Take my opinion as you will - I'm not currently signed up to play. I don't want to have a thick multi-game overlap like I did for nearly a week between TMMM and HP. Caller's game doesn't seem to be in a hurry to start, though, so I may end up joining. Please do, I need earn your forgiveness for that lynch last game  | ||
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I don't know what to do without cult based mafia recruiting, but so far in every game I have played citi.zen has been the GF so thats as good a reason as any. (ok I have only played one game but statisticly it looks sound  )## vote citi.zen | ||
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On July 17 2010 12:51 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLmorning.png) Big plates of Lasagna, expensive cigars, nice suits, and fancy-ass mustaches. This was the life for the good ol' boys of the Mafia of Liquiville. They no longer had to sweat and toil over shabby shops in Sicily. Though their English might not be the best, their hot lead had made the picture they painted loud and clear when they shot it from a Thompson. If you had a stray hair in their cannoli, you gonna be swimmin' wit da fishies. The local people had had it up to here with them, and one of them knew EXACTLY who they all were. Bill Murray, the Sheriff had some hot leads. The citizens of Liquiville had all rallied behind him on routing the influx of illegal immigrants from Palermo, Sicily, into their back-woods town. The Southern European meatball and spaghetti lovers had been tying cinderblocks to people's legs and setting them free into the local dammed off lake. This was not going to be acceptable. He got together Ver, the Veteran, Qatol, the lawyer, and a traveling knight, Sir Flamewheel, the cute. This superstar-posse was assembled outside of Betty's Bar and Grille, ready to get into Qatol's Crown Victoria. "Shotgun!" Bill Murray cried out. "awww... well, you think I can have it on the way back, Bill?" asked Flamewheel "sure." Bill replied. "Everyone in?" Qatol asked, before starting the ignition *Bam* ![[image loading]](http://shieldzy.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/car-explosion.jpg) The fire simmered infront of Betty's Bar and Grille for at least 40 minutes. All that was left was Qatol's smoldering calling car, and Bill's badge. Bill Murray the Sheriff, Qatol the Lawyer, Sir Flamewheel the Cute, and Ver the Veteran are now dead. "Requiescat in pacem" says rastaban as he reads the newsheadline. "Time to get Scum Hunting!" + Show Spoiler + That was a great morning post worth the wait BM Looking at the setup the things that catch my eye are
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On July 17 2010 13:20 Pandain wrote: Now.... even though I'm Muslim....  Edit: Also, its a rp game? even better.... I was about to tell you that you are not allowed to edit your posts in mafia games, but when I looked I didn't see it in the rules. BM can you clarify if we are allowed to edit or not. | ||
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On July 17 2010 07:57 Bill Murray wrote: nice ill send these out right now, then i'm going to bed the 48 hour day cycle starts at 9pm EST, 10 KST, and will last for 48 hours PMing is allowed, and if you have any questions, feel free to direct them to me A list of who has posted so far (since the above post) so we can see wo we need to hear from. 1. tree.hugger - Posted 2. brownbear - Posted 3. youngminii 4. foolishness - Posted 5. chaoser 6. divinek - Posted 7. xelin 8. hyperbola 9. SiNiquity - Posted 10. lakrismamma 11. rastaban - Posted 12. bumatlarge 13. Amber[LighT] 14. SouthRawrea - Posted 15. pandain - Posted 16. ~OpZ~ 17. Infundibulum 18. Jayme - Posted 19. Subversion 20. LaxerCannon 21. DARTH THIEN AN - Posted 22. BloodyC0bbler - Posted 23. d3_crescentia - Posted 24. Misder - Posted 25. Citi.zen - Posted 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode 28. zeks 29. ketomai 30. roffles Get to posting guys, I am headed to bed but will catchup tomorrow morning. | ||
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On July 17 2010 23:55 chaoser wrote: I've always liked the lynch the least active person for the first lynch. It just seems...easier lol. But I don't mind the RNG seeing as how if you're not active AT ALL, you get modkilled. This does sound like a pretty good idea but I two issues with the plan. One is who is going to do the randomizing, I am just a little worried that unless the method is verified then we might could have the mafia try and hijack it (like the Voldemort pardoner in the HP game) ? The second is what if the random person is a blue, how do we handle that? do we DT check them and verify? execute them anyway? | ||
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On July 18 2010 01:10 Tricode wrote: You guys ramble to much. Usually a vet in the game would come up with a plan by now. but right now seems to be like we can't do much anyways. Though the usual kill the least inactive idiot always seems to be a good idea, one of them is usually mafia anyways. As for a final note, I am always up for killing the Cobbler. It is my soul purpose of entering these games. He was a goon last game so I support this accusation! Once I am finished with the GF citi.zen BC is next. ( BM, I have a vote on citi.zen but I haven't been listed in any of the vote counts recently, just wanted to point that out. I will be casting a real vote later but just in case don't want to be modkilled. ) As for plans, the last game I was in was a custom cult setup so it was easier to try and think of ways to try and break the game. This game is closer to a standard setup so it seems like there is no perfect plan. That being said the simple plans that I could see would be to setup a pattern for DTs to investigate so there is no overlap. Something like start from your location and go down the list, if you find the other DT then start going up for your position so we get the most coverage. The down to this is that most likely the DTs would do better using their own scum judgment to hunt despite the possibility to overlap. There are other useful plans, but as I stated earlier a lot of plans hinge on the town having some open roles, and until the bomber is dead we really have no way of protecting claimants. We need to get him first and then a lot of different plans will be open to us. PMs are in this game, but I am unfamiliar with how they should be used. should I be messaging most people and trying feel them out, wait until I have a good feeling about their role and then contact them, or just wait for something like a DT to contact me. How should we be working the PMs? | ||
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...it is frequently put forward early in the game as a strategy by newbie Scum, to try to divert the town from using their most powerful weapon. I am surprised he put it forward, it is definitely a bad plan and I think we should keep an eye on him. I have to agree with tree.hugger that this bandwagon of Hyperbola doesn't make sense, it seems more poor townie than scum since it is so obvious. got home late tonight so headed to bed, will catch up tomorrow and try and provide more useful information. | ||
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On July 19 2010 03:37 youngminii wrote: It looks like it's a toss up between hyperbola(5), DTA(3), and myself(4). I personally think the bandwagon on hyperbola is the dumbest thing in the world. Everyone that's been on that bandwagon should have their posts as to why they jumped on analysed later on. The main argument against DTA is that he's lurking as scum so that he doesn't draw attention to himself. You've put your pressure on him and he isn't responding. A lurker would pop up and defend himself, especially with only about 5 1/2 hours 'til the deadline. As for myself, the bandwagon is less stupid than hyperbola's because it actually has a reason/substance behind it. However, it's still pretty bad because I'm being targeted because I offered a plan and generated discussion. This is why lynching on the first day is a terrible, terrible idea. The scum can blend in with the town so well and even lurk a bit. They'll just leave people to lynch each other on the first day or two and before you know it, it's lylo. No lynching is a gift, use it. If not, lynch an inactive (someone that's about to be modkilled). I am 99% certain that whoever gets lynched today will not be scum, simply because it is way too easy for scum not to draw attention on the first day. Though it may seem that way at first inspection, the reality of the issue is that what it really does is take away town options.
It really is a terribly bad play, hopefully this will help clear things up and we can move on to lynching scum. youngminii, if I am missing something please let me know, but hopefully now you can see that the no lynch plan is a terrible plan. | ||
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The reason we have so much to inspect is because people aren't using this plan, if we were then we would all sit back abstaining. I don't think you are necessarily mafia, as this plan puts a lot of light on you and really never had a chance to work but I am going to look back and see who joined on quickly as it would be an easy way for mafia to hide. | ||
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The mafia are in bad shape, screwing up and only getting 1 hit night one probably has them worried. Town still has 2 medics and vets so the best thing that could happen is for them is to narrow down who the vets are. Mafia still has the suicide bomber as well so role claiming is going to remain a terrible idea until we can lynch him since he can take out the person and the medic protecting him. Remember BrownBear was nearly modkilled but got back in time. If I was to guess it seems that BB has become too busy to play, the mafia could have decided that since he looks like he is going to be lynched, and would possibly be modkilled use him draw out any blues possible. So as was said a little above, what ever you do DON'T ROLECLAIM EVEN IF YOU ARE A VET. If you look at the posting records, BB had a lot of people already thinking about lynching him for the inactivity and bad play day 1, after this he starts demanding roleclaims for vets, it just seems desperate. | ||
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On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote: Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you? This is the sample note from the OP with the relevant part bold. You are a Mafia Goon! You get to pick a Godfather out of your team, though it may not be a suicide bomber, on the first night. Every night, you may send in kills in relation to your Kill Power. You win when you outnumber the town, or when they have no way of winning. your team consists of: 1. Bill Murray 2. Ver 3. Qatol 4. Camlito 5. Ace 6. You | ||
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On July 21 2010 01:59 rastaban wrote: vote BrownBear The mafia are in bad shape, screwing up and only getting 1 hit night one probably has them worried. Town still has 2 medics and vets so the best thing that could happen is for them is to narrow down who the vets are. Mafia still has the suicide bomber as well so role claiming is going to remain a terrible idea until we can lynch him since he can take out the person and the medic protecting him. Remember BrownBear was nearly modkilled but got back in time. If I was to guess it seems that BB has become too busy to play, the mafia could have decided that since he looks like he is going to be lynched, and would possibly be modkilled use him draw out any blues possible. So as was said a little above, what ever you do DON'T ROLECLAIM EVEN IF YOU ARE A VET. If you look at the posting records, BB had a lot of people already thinking about lynching him for the inactivity and bad play day 1, after this he starts demanding roleclaims for vets, it just seems desperate. If it is due to the lack of hash marks the OP makes no mention of it and basically says any format is valid: 2. You must clearly declare your vote ie: 'I vote for X'. "vote: name" whatever. bold it. I don't think we should go for a double vote yet, it will work best for us if we save it until later in the game when needed or at least until we have DT's confirming roles. As for my vote, I still like BB for this one though Darth is action's are starting make me wonder. For the time being I will keep my vote here and my eyes on Darth. P.S. Grats Qatol, now tell me how I am suppose to pronounce that name | ||
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On July 21 2010 12:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: #vote for double lynch i'm not convinced about any of the lynch candidates so far, so i'll wait on that. Just wanted to clarify why we should NOT double lynch. Right now we still are not so sure on our leads, we want to have more evidence before pulling out the big guns like this. If both were townies we could really end up shooting ourselves in the foot., It is far more effective once we have some knowledge from the DTs, so if they have some lists when revealed we can target groups of them if needed. Lets wait for some more DT checks before we consider using this, so far we have only had 1 night of checks. We have only had 2 deaths total so we are in a good position and should avoid hasty maneuvers like this. | ||
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On July 22 2010 00:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Rastaban (and others), to clarify my double lynch vote: it's a bet that after tonights actions we will have more than 1 target on the next day. In my experience Days 3 or 4 are the best time to start the double lynch (which means for Day 3 we vote for double lynch on Day 2, etc). I don't like waiting until Day 5 for double lynch because too many townies can die by that time and it makes it harder to use one of our most dangerous weapons against the mafia. If you guys aren't voting for it today, you should strongly consider voting for it tomorrow. Re: DTA - I should thank pyrr for doing a really thorough analysis here. I do think it's possible the mafia took that gambit of not killing DTA to make him appear more red (see Foolish's quote... "if the mafia don't kill you tonight you're red" [that was paraphrased]). So, I want to see how he responds to Pyrr's accusation before I decide if I want to vote for him. The pressures pretty strong already. ANd i gotta say i'm all but convinced on this one. It's "Infundibulum." Thanks for clarifying, I still stand by it being to early today, but I can see why we may need to act sooner rather than later. Going to review the current accusations, as BB's recent activity seems more townie (though he may just be trying to move suspicion) and then see where I should put my vote. | ||
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On July 22 2010 05:35 BrownBear wrote: So seeing as people keep saying "God BB your plan sucks" (BC, Amber), I think it's time to actually defend my plan a little bit, because believe it or not, I'm sticking by it, and I think it's not a bad idea. Out of all of you who said my plan was terribad, there was only ONE person who asked me, either in the thread or PM, what the logic behind my plan was. So yeah, only one person who actually tried to figure out what was going on, instead of just saying "OMG BB sux lets vote for him." So that guy (you know who you are) - thank you. The rest of you, seriously? I'm copying my reply to him here, because I think everyone should read it. If he feels like saying who he is, he can confirm that this is accurate. + Show Spoiler [my PM] + Yo, thanks for the PM. My inactivity was partially due to me working most of the day, and partially due to me scrubbing and forgetting that the game had started :/ My logic behind vet roleclaim was thus, and I hope this makes sense: In most TL Mafia setups, hosts choose to mask the number of certain roles actually present in the game (example: they won't tell you how many medics there are, only that medics are present in the game). This is to prevent situations like mass roleclaiming, where the town forces everyone to claim or get lynched, then checks the numbers against the numbers in the OP. This can be a very powerful town move if pulled off correctly, or give the mafia a ton of free blue roles to hit, but regardless, many hosts don't like it happening, so they prevent it from being possible. In a setup like the one above, its impossible to say "all vets claim" and get an accurate result, because you don't know if there are 1, 2, or 3, or maybe even 4 vets, so it's trivial for scum to sneak a fakeclaim in there. Thus, nobody claiming can really be trusted, apart from DT rolechecks or people who get protected from a hit/vets who soak a hit. Thus, in a normal game, vets fulfill the role everyone has said they should fulfill: They exists under the radar and hope mafia hits them, so they can soak a hit that would have otherwise killed someone. The problem is, this happens rarely (usually only once a game, if that), and somehow, vets always end up getting lynched. Thus, they aren't always the most helpful role. My idea was thus: Since BM has told us there are exactly 2 vets in the game, we know there are exactly two vets in the game. In my experience, as I mentioned above, vets don't always do their job (not their fault, its just "doing their job" hinges on another group outside their control targeting them). As we've seen in other mafia games (Caller's RO3K game is a good example), when town bands together and has good organization, it's really easy for town to win. Mafia usually wins if they prevent town from organizing in this way. Thus, I believe in this setup, the vets would actually be more helpful to town in the spotlight as town organizers, rather than in the shadows hoping to soak hits. As a vet has 2 nightlives, mafia has to waste an entire night just to kill one vet, rather than kill 2 others (and possibly hit other blues like DTs). This isn't something most mafia teams would be willing to do (especially if medics start protecting the vigis - they become unkillable). So basically, we'd have the vets claim. If only 2 claim, we're set, we just have blues PM them, and start an epic town circle. Vets would know if people were lying because of the openness of the setup: if 3 DTs claim to them, they'd know one of them was scum, and could probably figure it out pretty quickly. This would be a great way to coordinate rolechecks, medic protection, even vigi kills or Mad Hatter Bombs depending on which of those roles we have. Essentially, town would become a well-oiled machine and would screw mafia over. If more than 2 vets claim, we just have to rolecheck them, nail a mafia, and go back to the first scenario from that point out. Now, naturally this plan isn't perfect. There are three major flaws: 1) If GF decided to appear as a vet to rolechecks, it sinks this plan completely, obviously. 2) If one or both vets is inactive/doesn't read the thread, that also sinks this plan. 3) The Suicide Bomber. This role exists to counter mass roleclaims and to prevent us from telling medics to protect certain people IN THE THREAD. It's very possible that the mafia might decide to bomb one of the vets - but that's why we have two. Mafia would be trading a scum for a townie. Hope this makes sense! Ask me if you have any more questions. ##Unvote BrownBear ##Vote Abstain I was the one who checked because I didn't want to hang an innocent man. While the merits of this plan can be debated, to me it seems pretty solid. There is no way that it would go through now but it isn't the scum move I thought it was. He has some solid arguments and a cohesive plan, but most importantly it was trying to push the towns agenda. While it could still be a mafia ploy, I don't think they would have him transition between idle, scapegoat, and then try to save him. I am probably 90% convinced he is town. I am moving my vote to abstain for now while I look over the Darth/chaoser arguments and see who is more likely to red (both?) and will vote when I get off work. | ||
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##Vote Abstain I forgot to bold them and it looks like they didn't get picked up so just reposting them. Work is almost done, real vote and more content then. | ||
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On July 22 2010 02:22 BrownBear wrote: DarthThienAn is playing this game as though he were Chezinu... which is not the way DarthThienAn plays at all. I think Pyrrhuloxia (why does everyone in this game have impossible to spell names) has the best explanation, and says things I was thinking on my own - Darth is playing as though he were Village Idiot, and for some reason that's given him Teflon armor against suspicion for the most part - there have been scattered people saying "Hey, wait a minute" but nobody's really listening, everyone is obsessed over Chaoser/Subversion/me. As far as those 3... I know I am green, but you guys are going to have to decide whether you believe me or not. Subversion's "mistake" isn't even a mistake at all, and you guys all jumped in and tried to create something out of it - not really the direction town should be going in. Chaoser I still find slightly suspicious, but he's been pretty willing to post and to defend himself - as long as he clarifies a few of his contradictions, I'd be okay with not lynching him. He might be a good target for rolecheck tonight, though. I dunno. For now, ##Unvote Abstain ##Vote: DarthThienAn Because he is the most suspicious, I think abstaining should only be used as a placeholder, and we're running out of time in this day. Plus, his death will give us at least some information, which is still better than the next-to-no information we would get from lynching subversion, chaoser, or me. BB has pretty much convinced me he is town and I agree with his sentiments here, Darth’s play style just doesn’t make sense. Why play like this when you can actually benefit the town The crazy voting doesn’t make sense either, and all the actions so far have been at best neutral, with very little if any pro-town actions. The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content. It is easy to camouflage your mafia playstyle when you change everything so it is harder to find clues in how you play. Also we know vote analysis is critical but we have Darth stating “Most of my votes have been for fun.” I am not positive on this call but I think he is a far better candidate than Chaoser who has had better arguments in his defense, and at this point in time it is too late for any other votes to have much of an impact. ##Unvote Abstain ##Vote: DarthThienAn | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: An infundibulum (Latin for funnel; plural, infundibula) is a funnel-shape cavity or organ. I sure love Infundibulum Cakes at the fair. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:40 DarthThienAn wrote: "day ends in under 5 1/2 hours" How is that too late? How does my play style not make sense? If you look at all of my posts collectively, you'll realize that I have actually said a decent amount. Nothing compared of my previous games, but contrast it to Subversion, who hardly said anything until like 18 hours ago. I don't even know what the deal with chaoser is, but Day 1, he was one of those last minute voters, iirc., and Day 2, he mostly made lists, which help the town by organizing information, but does not actually offer any insight. Nothing against him though, since I haven't read the recent posts. Think of it this way: do any of those actions "make sense" if I'm mafia? Why would I attract attention to myself so unnecessarily, and then not defend myself if I'm actually lurking? "The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content." I did have content. Has anyone bothered to look through my posts? And I personally don't use vote analysis too heavily -> most of my votes have been for fun. My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games. I don't think you were lurking, in fact I think you were being obvious to a fault. I just played the game where you moderated and Chezinu used this ploy the entire time to stay alive despite acting so anti-town. It seems to me that you have tried to re-purpose this same technique when you pulled mafia hoping that you could keep the right amount of insanity without being convicted. It is just seems too convenient of a time too "try a new style" | ||
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7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban) 7] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear) 7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser) 3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~) 1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divenek) Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma) not voting: everyone voted! double lynch: (1/15) iNfuNdiBuLuM I think this is right | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: You should put who was first to 7 if there is a tie at the top. But not sure how it goes, Darth was first to 7 but then chaoser went to 9 and back down so while his was more recent he had more votes at the last point, subversion was the last to 7 I think | ||
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8] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser, DarthThienAn) 7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban) 6] chaoser ( youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear) 3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~) 1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divenek) Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma) not voting: everyone voted! double lynch: (1/15) iNfuNdiBuLuM I think this is right | ||
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*7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban) 7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser, DarthThienAn) 6] chaoser ( youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear) 3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~) 2] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divinek) Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma) * = first in case of a tie not voting: everyone voted! double lynch: (1/15) iNfuNdiBuLuM On July 22 2010 10:00 Divinek wrote: you have a 1 beside amber when it should be 2 and you spelled my name wrong  A thousand pardons effendi! On July 22 2010 10:00 SiNiquity wrote: You've got 7 people on Subversion but the tally at 8. Good catch thanks. | ||
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I listened to the whole thing, I love that woman's voice Drives my wife crazy lol. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: rastaban, stop it, you have divinek twice. i can do my job. Sorry what I was doing wasn't meant to infer anything about you doing your job. I just wanted an updated list as things changed so that people could make informed decisions like Darth/Chaoser placing votes on subversion to keep themselves from being lynched. Your job isn't to post continual tallies (unless you want to) I just prefer informed decisions and no last minute surprises. + Show Spoiler + I didn't have divinek twice, not sure what you mean | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:21 DarthThienAn wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 10:06 rastaban wrote: * = first in case of a tie not voting: double lynch: A thousand pardons effendi! Good catch thanks. yea you did. See BB and Amber. Lol that is so sad I was looking at your tally when I double checked. Good eye. do you mind clarifying if which one currently would be lynched if the tie holds?Thanks | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:09 Bill Murray wrote: not voting: double lynch: I think this is still accurate, I didn't see any changes since this was posted | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:00 Subversion wrote: Also, I don't know what wifom means Here is the mafiawiki link WIFOM | ||
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Vote: Double Lynch I have just read through everything that has transpired, we need to carefully look at our options. This could still be a mafia ploy but I doubt it, since there have been no counter claims. It seems the hit was bad luck for the town, however if we can use that to net us some confirmed townies we can turn this into a good thing. I don't think we can be sure of their roles until tomorrow. unless someone has checked them already. I said at the very beginning that 2 KP roles the town had were probably 1 vig and 1 hatter (hence the wording). While it is possible that both are red it is very unlikely and we can have a DT check them randomly over the coming nights to confirm if needed. The fact that their was no counter claim makes my almost positive that Tricode is town. If we have someone randomly check BC the next few nights we could clear this matter up. What we really need to do is start looking at who we need to lynch. I don't necessarily agree with Chaoser's accusations of subversion, but he has the right idea. We need to figure out who to lynch, maybe we need to lynch BC to prove his claim, maybe someone else? Regardless we now know that their was indeed a vig hit last night(there was no counter claim), and it hit BC. As for who it should be, I am not sure. When I get a little more time I will go back and do some checking and see if I can find some people that stand out. I think we can garner some useful information from all that has transpired that will really help our voting tonight. As for double lynch or not, d3, why did you yell out against double lynch but then vote twice? I am confused. 2x lynch didn't pass yesterday, we have a lot of information right now, and probably will have even more tomorrow. I had originally thought it was too early as well but Infundibulum convinced me otherwise. Remember it goes in to play tomorrow, so we have to vote a little earlier to make sure that we can use it when needed. The last game I played waited too late to vote for it ( i had thought it occured on the same day it was voted for) and it could have cost us our plan if it wasn't for how lucky we were that game. Here is the post Infundibulum had on the topic: On July 22 2010 00:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Rastaban (and others), to clarify my double lynch vote: it's a bet that after tonights actions we will have more than 1 target on the next day. In my experience Days 3 or 4 are the best time to start the double lynch (which means for Day 3 we vote for double lynch on Day 2, etc). I don't like waiting until Day 5 for double lynch because too many townies can die by that time and it makes it harder to use one of our most dangerous weapons against the mafia. If you guys aren't voting for it today, you should strongly consider voting for it tomorrow. Re: DTA - I should thank pyrr for doing a really thorough analysis here. I do think it's possible the mafia took that gambit of not killing DTA to make him appear more red (see Foolish's quote... "if the mafia don't kill you tonight you're red" [that was paraphrased]). So, I want to see how he responds to Pyrr's accusation before I decide if I want to vote for him. The pressures pretty strong already. ANd i gotta say i'm all but convinced on this one. It's "Infundibulum." | ||
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On July 24 2010 02:03 citi.zen wrote: I don't know about killing tricode, it makes zero sense - he's almost confirmed and thus potentially very useful. I am wondering whether the two DTs can use tricode to coordinate between themselves. All he would do is pass them each other's name (or name of their contact). He would also have to keep his mouth shut to everyone else. If the two Dts were in contact somehow we'd be in fantastic shape. Comments? I like the idea, but just wanted to point out a couple caveats. 1. He isn't 100% confirmed it is risky. As of yet there is no evidence at all that the hit ever happened beyond both there words. While it is unlikely is it worth exposing both DTs to this possibility? 2. What if he gets a mafia claim? if the mafia claim fast then if 1 of the DTs isn't active he may go ahead and exchange the names. Even if all three go through would he then share them all, tell us who the three were? | ||
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On July 24 2010 02:16 chaoser wrote: If the hit didn't even happen then we can assume both are mafia and that in general is a bad play by mafia, two public figures lying about roles. Either BC is mafia and lying or both are telling the truth. I think those are the only two real possibilities...right? it is not nearly as risky a mafia as you are making it to be as there are other possibilities. if either of them is the IT then really only 1 person is risked with much gained since he is meant to be sacrificed. And unless we lynched the IT immediately he would be able to go off that night when he started taking heat. Also remember that mafia are still at 6, so even if we could know instantly that both are mafia it would take 2 days to lynch both of them. that is 4 more mafia kills and they still don't lose KP. I thought for sure we had a Mafia when we lynched DTA but it wasn't. The thing about that is that with the mafia isn't being pressured, they might feel they can take this risk. According to the OP the mafia have to have 2 people before KP reaches 1, that means 3 people can fall first. We have had people suspecting Tricode, and threatening a lynch, since this has happened everyone seems to so sure that he is innocent now. I don't think this is what happened but to count it out completely and risk both DTs on this seems like a risky play. On July 24 2010 02:11 Amber[LighT] wrote: It's a dead end though. Once we lynch Tricode that only gives us a hint of who BC is, depending on the flip. BC will not be confirmed 100% from lynching Tricode, and then from there we don't have a lot of connections. BC wasn't really involved with much other than a few posts about the bandwagons and BrownBears plan. I think we should just avoid them and go for players like Youngminii or Subversion. I agree, as I said earlier we need to remember we still have to focus on a lynch, and lynching Tricode probably isn't a good play, but maybe having the DTs randomly check either participant and do it tonight or the next might work. Why are you suspecting Youngminii? We have had a lot of discussion on subversion, though I feel he is just a new townie, but Youngminii has come up as much. Care to elaborate? | ||
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it is not nearly as risky a mafia play as you are making it to be as there are other possibilities. | ||
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On July 24 2010 03:51 Bill Murray wrote: Vote Count: Abstain: Double Lynch: With 25 left, it takes 13 for majority (which would end the day), or to pass a double lynch for the next day. BM, I was wondering if you could clarify the majority part? The OP lists "48 hour days, 24 hour nights", I didn't see anything about majority and since it can be anti-town it would be nice to have the extra time. Thanks, | ||
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On July 24 2010 08:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am glad to see that today has been a lot more reasonable than the previous two days. I believe that the whole topic of myself/tricode will continue to be discussed, but I am glad at the logical conclusions thus far. However, the town also has to discuss places to begin for lynch targets. As a player who has been in a lot of mafia games, and well didn’t think I would have to outline something like this, I shall. To begin with (ignore the fact its day 3 for the moment). Hosts will RNG roles and typically tweak the player list slightly. (making sure a group of first time players isn’t red vs a group of experienced players for instance). Some hosts will openly admit to doing this, some hosts will deny it. The truth of the matter is, every host does it. Be it by RNGing a role again, to physically swapping someones roles. (chuiu is exempt from this generalization as I know he didn’t). Now, everyone would tweak things the same way, but I will do a briefly outline of how I would do it if I were a host. Well known experienced players. (see names like ver, qatol, ace, caller, L, bloodyc0bbler, incognito, flamewheel, foolishness, etc…) Basically players who have a lot of experience. Not as well known experienced players (see names such as infundibulum, amber[light], opz, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, d3, zeks) Rising stars (see names such as youngminii, DTA, Korynee, etc..) Completely new players (everyone else) Now, at this point, in the case of very few well known experienced players, they typically will be given town roles (note, usually townie, or non major blue) as they can help create order, and teach new players, or help guide the flow of things. In the case of many, usually a small group is placed in red as to compete against those who are town. In the case of a small group however, the mafia breakup is that of usually rising stars, or people who are experienced but can easily defend themselves in a pinch but rarely recognized to the general public. New players will be split among both groups as they need experience in every role still. Now, as a player, as well as a host, part of my playing style always includes looking at how someone may have balanced the game. note everyone does it differently so the way I would do things is not the same as any other host . It does however give me a starting ground on how to start scum hunting. In a game of this format, and even more specifically this game. I see of well known names most people would recognize as Myself, Citizen, and foolishness. We have all played in a fair amount of games and most new players at this point will most likely hear of our names quickly, read it in the thread, etc… We will usually be instantly distrustful of each other and be a balancing issue if we are town/red as we at our core will take longer to trust someone who is forced into a form of spotlight regardless of wanting to be there. Note: Pyrr isn’t included in this list as he may not be as well known after a large large break from mafia. We then have a large group of experienced players who aren’t as well known, but have played in many many games. They make up the core of the players this game. We have a few rising stars, and a smaller group of new players. To begin with scum hunting I would look at the list of the big 3 and realize that either 1 or none of us are red. The possibility of there being one however is what keeps us wary of eachother all game. Of the rising stars, I would say most likely with such a low count of them this game, also 1. As they would be expected to compete for top spot this game. Of the newer players, most likely 1-2. As their role doesn’t matter as much as they have to learn from square one regardless. Rest of the roles would be made up of people from the experienced group. Now, from there you have a general idea of lists breakups. List of 3 (or 4 if you count pyrr) names where 0-1 is red Foolishness, bloodyc0bbler, citizen (pyrr) A list of 2 where most likely 0-1 is red. Where 1 is more likely. DTA, Youngminii A list of 6 where 1-2 will most likely be red Siniquity, Southrawrea, Pandain, subversion, misder, protactinium Then everyone else to make up the last 2-4 red. From this you have a generalized standpoint of where to start looking. And with those lists in mind you look at posting histories, styles, voting patterns and the like to best narrow down the red on that respective list. Once a # of reds has been found off a list of grouped players, you can generally ignore it briefly. (note some hosts may not do it as I have laid out, but this is merely a starting format to work from). People will make slipups, imply or reveal they are working with so and so and one flips red then the other does, etc… It however gives everyone a generalized place to start and begin to try and narrow reds down as it puts the chances of nailing one earlier on higher than others. With all this in mind, I will be going back over the thread and analyzing people. Expect another large post in the next few hours. Wow mafia or not, I need to keep a record of these types posts for my future games as a play book I would say that this is BMs second game, so he is probably less inclined to mess with how the roles pan out. | ||
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How long does it take you guys to come up with the big posts? I get 2 or 3 paragraphs together and I am half an hour or more in. as for the talk about GF, is there a miller in this game, DTA didn't list one in the role count, but he did put it in the op list of roles. | ||
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From Citi.zen: + Show Spoiler + A third DT claim did show up. Which is good - more people are giving themselves up. I will need the name of your Dt when you are satisfied there is no counter claim against me. My DT can then check one of the two and find the real one as well as the red. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Wow, I did't expect that much to go down last night. I think you might have just given us the break town needed to turn this around. I believe at this point if someone was going to claim they would have. The DT felt the same way so I was asked to go ahead and move forward with contacting you. Let me know what we should do next. Thanks, He hasn't mentioned this in the thread, I hate putting myself out there, but if he is playing us I am sure another mouth can confirm. | ||
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Before the reveal of the other hatter, and asked for us to reveal the DTs | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote: Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal. I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming. Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that. I would agree, except he asked for me to give my DTs name. That is why I am worried. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote: If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: And you're saying this is worse than SouthRawrea saying "Hey citi if you're MH, tell us who your bombs are on" post? Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim. | ||
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Bumatlarge Post Analysis: DAY 1 + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 05:29 bumatlarge wrote: I personally think divinek is mafia. Because he sucks. Oh my god he sucks. ##Vote Divinek Random starting vote, gets people talking On July 18 2010 12:47 bumatlarge wrote: One could argue about the likeliness of certain outcomes, so I think using an RNG would be alot better RNG is bad for town, nets some scum points here On July 19 2010 05:27 bumatlarge wrote: The "not lynching 1st day" has been discussed to death in other games. It is 99% of the time a disadvantageous plan, even with a small number of people. In the overall scheme of things we need to get rid of someone by town decision, and we have alot of posts to base it on. We have an ok shot at hitting a mafia right here so I suggest we do it. -Don't hit an EXTREMELY active person. They could be mafia, but they are putting themselves out there and will eventually be weeded out. -Don't hit those in danger of modkills. If they do some last minute stunt, well massive FoS on them for it. The above list looks ok, but I'm going to shy away from Darth, because I called him out another game for being way too helpful (weird, but he was red that game) and hes trying something different. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's just changing up his playstyle to avoid getting killed again, and I'm not implying that it seems scummy at all for him. Please reconsider as of this moment. Darth WOULD lift a finger to defend himself the same way no matter his role. I think he knows this so he's gonna try his luck. In fact I think hes blue, because I havent seen him play it, and it's a different style, so Im going to take some heat for him right now and ask that if you really are bent on voting for darth, vote for me instead Young seems green imo and Ketomai is still in DANGERZONE.Hyperbola seems like a viable candidate from what I read, BUT SO DOES DIVINEK (DIEDIEDIE) ... ok I'll let him slide today unvote ##Vote Hyperbola Votes Hyperbola, but has a pretty good reason why and starts to defend Darth. I am going to call this an even split. So after day 1 he is breaking even, He hasn't put himself out too much. Even though the last post claims to be risky, he does vote according to the bandwagon which makes it easy to gloss over while still seeming like a lot content. At this point though I would say he looks town NIGHT 1 + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 10:30 bumatlarge wrote: MUHAHAHAHA- Ahem... *vigorous nodding* I've never played in a game where the Godfather's role cant be disclosed and there are no clues (that I remember), so that seems like an issue to me, at least later on if he plays quiet and doesnt hesitate to throw a scummer under the bus every once in awhile. And I can't really pin my finger on whate he would pick as his mask, as a smart one could safely assume towny, or deviously take a DT role and waste town a few days. The only comfort I have is that they are sticking with one role, so we base our info on that later on when some DT checks come along and we can really do some soul searching Darth you are weird. But some DT is gong to check you so BEWARE. Unless you are GF. Boy wouldnt that lead to fun times. Bumatlarge is on the fence about Darth again, this wishy-washiness actually strikes me as town. It's the people who are afraid to change their mind that you need to worry about. The average townie should just want a town win, and be willing to recheck assumptions if needed. DAY 2 + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote: Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.##Vote DarthThienAn Suggests ignoring DTA, and then votes him. We know now that he was green but I think there were a lot of townies on this lynch due to the suspicious activity. On July 21 2010 04:37 bumatlarge wrote: Eh, it just seems typical of him to do this. I think too many people are accusing him that there isnt a single red between them. You may argue that lynching BB is beneficial either way, but we dont really get much info from that death. Although it isnt really RNG at this point, we can still choose the person who would give us the best results. I can't really think of a better candidate then DTA. I know it may put FoS on me, but what would it benefit me to go out and protect him if we were both scum? Pray everyone blindly follows us and hope DTs dont check either of us? The votes on day1 dont help my point but lol,,, Hope to god he isnt red. Subversion looks scummy though you can lynch him all the way Now he is pushing DTA and defending BB. He also supports a lynch on subversion. He is trying to push himself into the limelight which benfits town, and his posting rate is increasing both good things. On July 21 2010 05:17 bumatlarge wrote: Maybe if you and BB switched places Id believe you. Time to switch into the darth I know buddy While DTA is my top concern, the more I read into subversion, the more obvious it seems, and as treehugger mentioned, that mafia mistake quote day1 is really wtf. I dont think anyone has the balls to say that. Ill have to make sure to say that next game XD Starting suspect subversion, this can be read two different ways. Either he is mafia trying to spread out his vote now that DTA is going down or a townie who doesn't know what to believe On July 21 2010 05:25 bumatlarge wrote: Ive heard of shoving your foot in your mouth, but sub basically ate a scuba flipper whole, shat it out, took pictures and posted it on the internet, then assumes no one will find that outrageously gross. You would have to be a freak, and in this case scum. Unvote ##Vote Subversion So now we see the switch to subversion. DTA ends up being green so this is a good move, but I don't think it weights too heavily as we don't know subversion role yet. But sub has soft claimed so it does worry me some. On July 21 2010 23:34 bumatlarge wrote: Would incriminating yourself be FoS? Couldn't locate exactly who he was referring to here classify this under: Verbal banter So end of the second day and not a whole lot has gone on. Shortly after that last post, he just disappeared. He was not around for the actual voting. Things can come up though but it something to keep in mind as we delve further in. After day 2 is when it starts being easier to spot mafia actions, up until this point it was probably fairly easy to hide. NIGHT 2 + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 13:35 bumatlarge wrote: You're credible when you're dead. Sorry darth A quip to the dead person, often the scum will try this. Gives some bragging rights for after the game, of course so does town because it can be funny but it adds slightly to scum side of the scales. On July 22 2010 13:58 bumatlarge wrote: And what woodwork would I have come out of? I was satisfied with my vote on subversion and explained why, and I wasn't against darth or chaoser being lynched either, not one over the other, so really I had no reason to post and waited for night. Its a shame darth was green, as his posts are now just random vanilla towny actions with barely rhyme or reason, but we have a good number of votes to analyze now, so that should lead to alot of posting I'll need to catch up on tomorrow. Hopefully night will give us even more. I would protect subversion tonight as he's either blue or red, even though mafia might pass over him based off day 2. Hope I get shot tonight >:D Defends himself from accusations, though I do wonder why he would be so quick to defend himself against so many perceived accusations when all Pyrruhloxia did was add his name to a list. Seems paranoid to me. On July 23 2010 08:10 bumatlarge wrote: We could just WIFOM the hell out of the reds by bomber logic! Alright so let's say subversion s blue of an unknown type. Scum would sacrifice they're bomber on the offchance that a blue is vsiting him. Sub has already proved to be disadvantageous to the town along wth being one of the chief suspects town has, so they would be relyng that another blue is visiting him, which imo is worth the bombers life if one is at least a DT or med. Now, multiple townies are recognizing that the bomber has a strong chance of hitting sub, and any cautous blue (which is most) wont touch that guy anyway. And if hes just green trying to save himself? And no one visits him? HAHA losers. And ifs hes truly red, DTs wont worry. Honestly blowing the bomber on a less then subpar person with a crasphoot chance that a blue feels the need to act on sub s an awful lay for scum so early nto the game. And you would rsk a ht on someone who clamed blue, hasnt done much and is already under the magnifying glass. So blues will do whatever they think best leaning against not acting on sub, and scum can consder wastng a memeber when there are 22 other townes around WIFOM brought to you by mentos, the freshmaker. /ts allowed when used against them, right? It doesn't add much and I am probably swayed by the funny punch line but I like this post. In reality it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is filler but sometimes the games get so intense a laugh is nice. It is also night time and posting too many plans during the night can be suspicious since it gives the reds more information to work off of. On July 23 2010 09:37 bumatlarge wrote: Thats because you could then see what the night people were doing if you had your head up. This isnt 5th grade mafia. (Im only saying that because in 5th grade, that's exactly what we would do )more banter On July 23 2010 14:07 bumatlarge wrote: yawn is the post gonna be up soon i need to get my beauty sleep again... This night we see Bumatlarge acting very paranoid against the smallest reference/accusation and then turning to a more jovial mood. The only thing about the jovialness that worries me, is that at this point all that had happened was 2 incorrect lynches and some night kills with more incoming. The mafia had more to be happy about than us, however he may be a naturally happy person in which case we need more of him We won't hear more from him for a little whileDAY 3 + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2010 03:00 bumatlarge wrote: I think we should hold off lynching tricode and iniaite double lynch tommorrow. A DT should check either of them, i wont say which because of the bomber, and then PM someone (i have no idea who it depends on DTs checks, but id suggest a random vanilla he checked previously that is unlikely to be GF) to give results. If BC is mafia, he was forced to come forward or else the medic would call him out, but I also thinks he could be a lucky godfather who can get the max use out of his disguose by this (hes a sure fire candidate depending on the red team). Either way, i think tricode being red would be giving it away if hes checked, so in my opinions hes 95% vig. If I was DT I would consider PMing him, but then FoS on me for suggesting who the DT should PM Also reds hit inactives right? What about other inequally inactive players who did not get hit. Southrawrea ive never played with but ill assume hes new. If it was my firtish game, id stay quieter then normal. Laxer and xelin also, but i cant really check (id feel stupid if they actually have been posting more then me -_-) on my phone properly. Just suggesting to look at those who scum didnt hit. tldr - hold off the BC/tricode vote and gun for a lesslikely blue inactive ##vote southrawrea vote doublelynch We next hear again from him after the BloodyCobbler/Tricode hit, He is looking for a method to confirm them without lynching. Good if they are greens, but if they are red then he may be covering for his buddies. Places his vote on SouthRawea at the end. On July 24 2010 03:05 bumatlarge wrote: BB infested kills anyone in 1 shot, even vets and anyone who is visitng them Answers with some game facts, helpful but not really pro-town On July 24 2010 12:23 bumatlarge wrote: Oh boo hoo mr 'i just criticize what everyone says alot so i dont have to come up with anything'. if Im so suspicious, why dont you vote for me. Is it because you dont want to put yourself in the spotlight. Helpful advice, even when if you managed to bandwagon against someone with a relatively small initiate paragraph of complete incrimination on someone and they get lynched and people point at you, you will still manage to get away with it because you did that, and DTs wont even check you for it. Im going to have to try that when I get mafia. Meanwhile I am going to go to sleep on my couch and watch TV as I wait til the morning sun 2 days from now. Must be a lame ass planet that liquidville lives on to have 48 hours of light and 24 hours of night. How could you even compensate? I bet they live on tatooine or something More defensive posturing when mentioned, he becomes increasingly more active from this point on. On July 24 2010 12:25 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow nice, you are a fucking DT magnet citizen. This seemed a little strange to me. A new plan put forth and rather than try and find issues or benefits we get this line... On July 24 2010 12:29 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + Maybe if you mass PM everyone you're ideas you will be above certain players too my youngmini ##Unvote Southlight ##Vote tree.hugger Here we have a lash out at YM but then a vote for tree.hugger. I would have liked an explanation of somekind with this vote, the town needs to know why you are voting the way you are. Still more comments on citizen, but not a single word about the plan, what is this? Claims credit for pointing out this inactive, but has his vote on tree. I just wish we would get more than a couple lines On July 25 2010 03:44 bumatlarge wrote: IMO citizen is 100% confirmed, because if he is scum, he is relying on the other blue KP role being inactive, and if they havent claimed yet, then any others might as well be red. If I was the Blue KP, then citizens 'scum' plan would have gone to complete shit, and we would trade a BlueKP for scum, maybe even a GF. The DT part of his plan doesnt matter in regards to his innocence. The fact that BC is going into detail about the DT part of this confuses me, since the only thing that matters is the other KP role (I think we are relatively assured that tricode is not in cahoots with citizen, as then both KP roles would come forward, and I doubt tricode is red and citizen isnt) So BC, if you're town, you are relying on the other blue coming forward, you would have o be a DT to base all your life around a KPBlue who was supposed to come forward for you, but you just couldnt wait? Is your checked KPBlue afk? Or did you not tell him to come out yet, because you want to back your fellow reds claim to a KPBlue as a DT or something. And the only way that could be denied is if citizen knows both DTs. That makes me think you are scum, very heavily so, since you couldnt make your 'KPBlue' come forward yet, and you are just prepping the scene for your scum buddy to make the claim i guess? Or are you just being difficult for no reason at all when citizen is offering a plan to make both DTs work together, or do you honestly think that both citizen is a stupid red and our other BlueKP is an ignorant retard who cant counter claim properly. Its been roughly a day, and mafia arent that lucky, and i dont see how they would give it a shot after having a nice lead already. ##Unvote tree.hugger ##Vote BloodyC0bbler I think earlier I unvoted southlight, when I meant southrawrea, my bad. Finally some original meaningful content. He believes citi.zen to be 100% confirmed, it is a little early for that. We know now that he was a townie trying an ambitious plan. Now right around this time I was PMing citi.zen so it would be hypocritical of me to judge harshly on this matter. I think this is an issue of the town wanting move forward but lacking the patience to let everyone post. To me this is just an issue of a lack of experience more than anything else On July 25 2010 04:16 bumatlarge wrote: ##Unvote bloodyc0bbler ##vote Southrawarea I think this is like my 5th vote change, sorry BM and sorry south, its for the great good you dirty mafiaso. vote switching again. Really though, this isn't much of a scum tell since scum is usually afraid to be singled out for this. As I said earlier change can be a good thing for town On July 25 2010 07:57 bumatlarge wrote: Very true. BC and Tricode taking advantage seems extremely likely, wish soutrawerea claimed sooner. Chaoser dying does seem silly if south was just a little late on the uptake and a really new player thrust into our world all of a sudden. Killing tricode seems less of a risk then killing a bomber if hes just a vig now, but if hes scum, we can point right at BC for the next red, as they would have had to work this out together to figure this out. I dont wanna force the medic out, but now that three KPs are on the table, it might help if he claimed to someone. I still find it extremely silly for citizen to be red as he wouldnt benefit much from just killing a KP role and he would die eventually. Wants the medic to claim which is worrisome and is pushing checking tricode and supports Citi.zen It could be a case of the Mafia trying to play us if Tricode is actually the red but this seems like a long shot. ... On July 25 2010 08:09 bumatlarge wrote: Also his death would confirm tricode who im guessing they would use they plan to either kill or use their bomb on, which would be convenient if citizen was the IT... hm, cant really come up with a solid solution to get a towny circle out of this, but im just glad our DTs and the medic will get another day to live His death would have cleared Tricode if he hadn't been townie instead. He is now looking at the plan and questions it though voting for southrawea. It could be a case of spreading your votes but I doubt it. On July 25 2010 08:25 bumatlarge wrote: Oh god dammit i cant keep up properly anymore Can someone clear this whole DT situation up before the lynch gets through? And BC callin out citizen on when he posts claiming he picks and chooses when is a dirty tactic, as if you claim you know his schedule and when hes not busy. Thats not the way to go about accusing someone. He defends Citi.zen now but instead of pointing out any facts he defends citi.zens absence. It ended up being very bad luck for the town that Citi.zen chose this time to go awol. The only problem is that he left while making such a big play which isn't wise. Without input from him it makes it hard to know what to beleive On July 25 2010 08:51 bumatlarge wrote: I honestly didnt think of him being the IT up til south came forward, that would give him a good reason to fakeclaim like this I guess, and he could just blow up later. Still he could be telling the truth, id like a clear explanation with the DT claims from him. Asks for an explanation regarding the DT claims, This is a good town play. On July 25 2010 08:55 bumatlarge wrote: Or they are innocent and south is the scum :/ Pushing for doublelynch is a good town play at this point, knowign that the following day we will have some good targets. On July 25 2010 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: You're saying you think BC and South are possibly linked together? Is tricode innocent then and BC just got really lucky? Questions YM's accusations for the first time, but only slightly On July 25 2010 09:55 bumatlarge wrote: Just wanna go over tricodes posts to find something + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 07:56 Tricode wrote: From that list above i believe it can be a agreed on a majority is saying we should lynch an inactive. Other then that I don't really feel like we have enough information yet to even try to snipe someone....well unless they're is a very stupid mafia member. On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. On July 18 2010 10:45 Tricode wrote: Keep using that reasoning through the whole game. Mind you that there are clever players and mafia will always try to manipulate the game by lying. Add to the equation everyone's fear of being lynched. Then add the fact we have no clues. Mafia don't have to really say anything. You would have to leave the game to a dt (if they find someone and if they come out) to tell you who is red. Then add the fact if that DT is really a dt. But like i said, try using your reasoning through out the whole game if we just kept abstaining cause we aren't sure all the time. On July 21 2010 04:02 Tricode wrote: Hey just finished catching up, sorry for inactivity had to drop my dad off the airport last night and then went to a relatives house. Also every time i refresh or hit next page, it seems like you guys would just add another page on me! There was just so much to read! As for now, I find BrownBear's ideas are unhelpful. Wanting to have our vets reveal themselves. Might be a good plan for other circumstances, but in your one and only example that you gave where your scenario worked, you seemed to have some godly player who was just able to survive for once. That doesn't mean that same scenario can apply here (no offense to you vets). Also this doesn't take the heat off BrownBear for his posts earlier and inactivity especially how BB voted. It seems like you just analyzed a situation real quick came up with a game plan to throw people off your back. I feel you are a better player then how you are presenting yourself this game and I will be awaiting to see more of your responses before making a vote. Also a few of you seem to be causing annoying chaos. I would keep an eye on these people. They could possibly be a mafia member who are trying to be active, but just annoying enough to act like a stupid townie and cause confusion. Like DTA (though he could just think acting like this would keep him alive in the game for what ever purposes he has in mind, even just being a townie that just wants to avoid mafia attention). For w/e reason (I'm desperately looking for a job/Real life shit/ video games) if I am absent for the time being I will vote for BB for how odd he is so far in this game with inactivity, his vote, his suggestion that seems to only distract attention from him, what others have pointed out about him, and I feel he hasn't portrayed himself in this game like he did in the last game I played with him where he had more of a dominate presence that helped the town. My vote will change if there is a better candidate. ##Vote BrownBear On July 22 2010 12:07 Tricode wrote: This is pathetic, it took me a whole freaken day just to catch up to all your posts and even then I had to skim through some of them and the crap that you guys filled it up with. There is just way too much chaos and this game is moving faster then I can keep up. The only reason I see for killing Darth is because his nonsense is causing more confusion to the game more then others, but there are still others who are causing confusion. With this madness I am abstaining so I can watch and see what unfolds. Hopefully everyone can start watching and reading to things more carefully instead of cluster fucking the thread with useless information that does not help the case or killing someone for hindrance reasoning. Though I am believing we are in need of a plan and looking into analyzing what people say more. Though if people like DTA keep their shit up, it will become more difficult to do this cause it is distracting. Also please people don't just see one little action and instantly call out mafia. Try to watch the person and build up a reasonable case. I am betting a portion of you are just confused and not sure what to do and just voting with the crowd or who ever argues the most aggressively. For now I am abstaining my vote like i said, for reasons of just wanting to have a bit more solidness of reasoning in who I pick and vote for. ##unvote ##vote abstain So far he doesn't mention BC once, which I find odd. If he planned on hitting him, it was certainly spur of the moment. Why wouldn't he pick one of the people he mentioned? I also find it weird that he now supports BC :/ sounds fairly wishy washy. On July 23 2010 16:11 Tricode wrote: Yes and now after letting the vigi know you are going to lynch him lol, how do you propose in finding this vig? soft claims vig? On July 23 2010 16:24 Tricode wrote: Meh fine I guess, I will take one for the team. I was the vig. I was aiming at BC Reasons: Who the fuck didn't see it coming from me? Also to the med who protected BC. I hate you with a true passion. When you guys do kill me to prove what I am saying, I will be honest, I tried reading this thread but it is hard with flame wars and ridiculous claims and finger pointing. The person under most of my suspicion is youngminii. From comments he had in the beginning when he seemed afraid that BC was accusing him as being mafia (which BC wasn't). To attacking and finger pointing anyone he had a chance to do so at. Everyone was scummy for what ever lame reason and he tried to push it hard until he could jump to the next person. He jumped a lot from what I can tell. Now knowing all of you, you will probably say what I am saying is B.S. and just lynch me. In which I don't care and go ahead to prove what ever crap you want to believe in. After that I hope you all play well and good luck you will all need it. If for w/e reason i do live. I will contribute w/e and do w/e to help the town, but to be honest I can't really keep up with how much you guys post. Might be just because of personal issues or something i have going on. Also everyone should listen to BC keep him alive as long as possible. I trust him and so should you. You will get your proof of innocence after my death. OK um wow, he says he thinks youngminii is suspicious, and starts saying he doesnt care if he gets lynched, which kinda makes it either seem like an apathetic towny who failed or a really deep scum trying to get away with being a vig, which in itself is pretty ridiculous. Says to trust BC which seems really fishy. Why is he trusting the person he tried to kill? On July 23 2010 16:35 Tricode wrote: And I would of gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling medic! God way to ruin everything. Both he and BC play it off like D3 never even accused them of that... On July 23 2010 16:47 Tricode wrote: You are the only one who has figured me out this whole game. Though I guess you don't know me, if you read my earlier posts I mention how I only join mafia games in hopes that one day I can kill BC. Since now I used up my vig, that dream has to remain for another game. Now I am basically a green townie with the vig name. So since I can't kill him might as well not be a true douche about it. What good would advocating his death and lying do? That would be beyond douchey of me if I did. Either case, my dream failed. So you gunned or him because you wanted to, how very untown-like I really dont feel comfortable keeping someone like this around, if there going to put some secret desire to kill someone for fun. And I don't think tricode is some noob player, which is weird. On July 24 2010 11:04 Tricode wrote: ##vote Abstain Place holder. I want to see what everyone says before I place my vote. On July 24 2010 15:55 Tricode wrote: BC seems confident about southrawrea and does have good analysis on him. And I would like to lynch mafia this time round. So Changing my vote ##unvote youngmini ##Vote: southrawrea On July 25 2010 06:50 Tricode wrote: There is only 2kp roles. So it's unlikely that there are 2 mad hatters when I'm the vig. Also instead of defending yourself, you seem to like to show your hard work that is irrelevant to this game and does not prove anything other then your busy. On July 25 2010 06:57 Tricode wrote: You just asked Zek "why don't you suspect citizen", that isn't really a reason why not to look at you still. You were just trying to bounce off your FoS to citizen instead of defending yourself and giving valid reasons in why we should trust you over citizen. Says he agrees with BC, but doesn't change his vote from south to citi, and posts after a little bit. Thats really suspicious in my book when you add everything up. If a mad hatter gets lynched tonight, I think we need to go after this guy. Hopefully one of them put a bomb on BC, because that would help tremendously in figuring some stuff out. Also hope the DT situation gets resolved very soon... Some good analysis here of Tricode's role and how it relates to 2 Hatters. I would say this is a very pro-town move, glad to see Bumatlarge stepping up and dissecting some posts. On July 25 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow I missed Citizens vanilla claim the fuck Yeah I think this was nearly everyone's reaction On July 25 2010 10:05 bumatlarge wrote: MH does give him some mafia hit protection as they will be fearful of taking him out, seems pretty straightforward, but he lied to all of us which doesnt make me happy hopefully the real mad hatter comes forward after and bases his towniess on citi, or maybe citi can just say his name or something idk its too confusing...This seems like a good next step, we don't usualy want blues coming forward, but this mess needs cleared up if Ciiti.zen flips green do eet! don't worry Chaoser, I got yelled at first. Hey can we use that as a soft confirm from BM since mafia should be allowed to get away with it. j/k SO much happened during this time, Since he didn't vote for the Citi.zen that definitely gives him a lot of town clout but we have to be wary since we don't know how much vote spreading the mafia was able to pull off. I don't get too many red vibes but I wouldn't say he is a certain townie either. NIGHT 3 (NOW) + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2010 10:18 bumatlarge wrote: Cool, and the DT and mad hatter revealed to him? Guess that DT is getting busy trying to piece together what is happening after the lynch, and how we should proceed We need to act, but I don't think looking to YM to guide the town is the best advice. On July 25 2010 10:21 bumatlarge wrote: Oh im a lurker balls, well the whole day was worth wasting my 1000th Congrats on the Lurker On July 25 2010 11:34 bumatlarge wrote: Awesome, look at all these mafiaso start to panic. Also south, if you are an MH and tricode is the scum instead, I suggest putting your other bomb on him, as zeks seems pretty legit to me. But thats just a suggestion then if he died and BC and you died, a chain reaction would occur, making your death very meaningful. Im just curious to see what the IT will do, since you really dont have to fear him all that much.Good advice, but as has been pointed out telling someone where to put there bombs is dangerous. Though in this case it might make sense to flush out the IT Pushing for action and but still unsure on what the best plan is, and who to trust. let's see how his develops from here on out SUMMARY After going through all these posts we can see some general transitions. We see someone who starts off very inactive the first day, the second day we get a little more and some critical indecision. The Following day we see a massive spike in content and some actual useful content. 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## Vote SouthRawea ## Vote BloodyC0bbler ## Vote Double Lynch Well it looks like I was played, my DT was BC. He claimed to have checked me, and that he was DT. This intrigue is too much for me. I am headed to bed as I have been up late the last few nights watching what has been happening and furious at the people trying to vote BC. Now it seems that there is no way BC is legit. If he flips Green or Blue after all this and the subversion kill I think I am done as town doesn't have a chance. If you have any questions for me please let me know and I will answer them in the morning. | ||
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On July 26 2010 23:22 SiNiquity wrote: If BC is red then I'm 99% sure South is not. Reason being
So if BC's clean, then South/Rasta are red. But whatever, the last 2 votes pushed them both to at least 12 (assuming BM's vote tally is correct), so majority's been reached at this point. This is possible but not enough for me to change my second vote. It would be nice to think that I wasn't the only one that got played. | ||
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On July 26 2010 23:27 zeks wrote: lets finish this game quickly so we can all go play sc2 I have taken off work for the rest of the week (other than today) so I can get some play time in :D | ||
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On July 27 2010 00:06 youngminii wrote: Oh my God I'm installing the game now. God it's taking too long, I just want to play! All you people who hate me will be relieved as I'll be a lot less active than I was. I expect to see BC and SouthRawrea lynched the next time I check though, will be strange if something goes wrong. Now the real question... To play campaign or to play ladder... I think ti is too late it looks like BC, South, and 2x lynch have all passed with majority. | ||
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On July 27 2010 00:54 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: oh whew i missed that. my 3 was off anyway cause amber and d3 voted after Bill's vote count Does this mean that if we can get one person to hold off voting untill the last minute we can still get the entire time to plan??? | ||
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On July 28 2010 07:01 Pandain wrote: Should've included this in previous post but it's important. Rastaban and SouthRawarer please post the pms both sent and received from/to Bloody Cobblar. Here they are. This is the last PM I received, I haven't heard back sense. it starts with the one from him of course. + Show Spoiler + Hold on your vote for now. I will let you know who to vote for. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: GRRRR Citizen ended up as green. I guess we should lynch SouthRawea then since zeks claim looks more legitimate. What do you think. Thanks, ----------------------------------------- Original Message: hmmm looks like there is a counter claim now. If we lynch citi.zen then he is confirmed and he already has passed our message on. If he is red no harm done and we get mafia ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I heard back from Citi.zen, do you think it is legit?: A third DT claim did show up. Which is good - more people are giving themselves up. I will need the name of your Dt when you are satisfied there is no counter claim against me. My DT can then check one of the two and find the real one as well as the red. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yeah send it ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Below is what I am going to send ti Citi.zen, is it ok? Wow, I did't expect that much to go down last night. I think you might have just given us the break town needed to turn this around. I believe at this point if someone was going to claim they would have. The DT felt the same way so I was asked to go ahead and move forward with contacting you. Let me know what we should do next. Thanks, ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Not sure on Citi.zen Let him know you are a mouth but don't give my name uhg, I checked foolishness night 1 ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So your our DT. What do you think of Citi.zen's plan? It looks like he has found a way to give town the edge. Who did you check night before last? Let me know what you think we should do Thanks, ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So, I checked you last night. You flipped town I was up till 7:30 am last night playing SC2, but I will try and still stay active here. + Show Spoiler + By the way, best RTS campaign ever, I think I am just about half way) | ||
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I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more. Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote: please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. | ||
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On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote: Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote: To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well... | ||
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Does anybody actually read the stuff I post?? Here they are I put them up earlier when Pandain requested them here is the LinkAlso I wanted to respond to the last part of this. On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote: Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I didn't lie, I merely passed on the information I believed to be correct. This game we have seen BloodyC0bbler, Zeks, Citi.zen, Pandain, SouthRawea, and Subversion all lie and it has caused us no end of trouble. In fact you also came forward without a DT because you were lied to as well. This is why you lynch all liars. | ||
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On July 29 2010 17:19 youngminii wrote: You know what's funny, I don't believe BC false claimed to you. I believe you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass after you saw that you were in a tight spot because your DT claim went wrong. You saw the BC and SouthRawrea were both royally fucked and you knew bussing them was the obvious way to go. So instead of simply bussing them like a normal person, you pinned BC for your fake DT claim. Notice how he doesn't respond? ##Unvote Chaoser ##Vote rastaban What you are saying doesn't make sense because as you just said the bussing does invite scrutiny. Why would mafia risk another player, when they didn't have to? Also if the mafia was going to risk a player it would be the IT, as he wouldn't have needed to claim anyone as a DT. Remember you were in the same situation I was in, being lied to by someone claiming DT, should we be voting you. Also why would he have responded? You expect the mafia to admit to lying, wow that sure would make mafia a lot easier. He would have been more likely to try and get you to believe he had sent them if he was mafia. In fact ignoring them makes them more legitimate because he know he couldn't defend against them. Of course, that gets into WIFOM so take it for what it is worth. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 06:08 tree.hugger wrote: So much spam in the first couple pages. Get a hold of yourselves people, you're not witty. Also, our inactive lynches always end up being townies, but every time when we look back at the game, there's always a mafia member or two who was inactive at the beginning, or posted and spammed just enough to clear the inactivity bar. I propose we make a list of FIVE players who are inactive, and then RNG them to determine a lynch candidate. That way we either force mafia into the open, or catch that one newbie mafia who doesn't know how to post properly. At the very least that would make the town's move a little harder to gauge. On July 18 2010 12:29 tree.hugger wrote: Gentlemen, this is not majority lynch. A plan for all abstaining will basically allow the mafia to get a free shot off, because they can hide behind all the inactives, and pretend they didn't read the thread due to IRL, and thus did not unvote for ___. Bad idea. You're going to play like Chezinu? So be it. *** Also, I'd like to once again push the plan of creating a list of FIVE or FOUR inactive players, and then using a random number generator to determine the lynch target. There are many ways we can do this, whether by using the amount of games SKT manages to take off of CJ tonight (well, we'd have to assign 0 to somebody) or some other random metric. Hell, someone could even stream it on their livestream. In that vein, I suggest that we use Siniquity's list as our guide. I've selected random players who look interesting to me from the list of people who had not posted at that time. I somewhat think that mafia tend to post once called out on inactivity, as it's a stupid way to go at the beginning, so hyperbola LaxerCannon Citi.zen All of whom have posted uselessly, should be on the list. Obviously Citi.zen is an adept player, and so he could probably play his way off the list, but for the time being, he's raised several flags. Speaks out against the day 1 no-lynch, a pretty obvious town move. Of course mafia may try this as well to net some town points + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 12:30 tree.hugger wrote: And this bandwagon against Hyperbola is just dumb. ## Vote Laxercannon On July 18 2010 13:45 tree.hugger wrote: The reason it was introduced in the first place what completely ridiculous. Nothing smart about any of it. We should lynch people for good reasons, not dumb ones. I'm still looking for more nominations for people to lynch. I think those three are a good start. Time to pick one, yes? How about I PM five people a list of the candidates in order, and then someone in the thread will choose a number from 1-3? On July 18 2010 16:26 tree.hugger wrote: Because there were no reasons. Hell, did you even look to see what Hyperbola did to make himself so suspicious? Because he didn't do anything, and that's what I call playing stupidly. I think, as Divinek is busy proving, these fine gentlemen were voting for Hyperbola for no reason whatsoever. They're all pretty new players, and I'm not convinced that's a list we're likely to find mafia on. I'd rather work with inactivity. Bedtime now. CJ fighting! On July 19 2010 01:15 tree.hugger wrote: Alright, so it's a little too late, and nobody seems up on my idea for picking randomly from a list of inactives. Fair enough, we'll do this the old fashioned way. But it seems to me that we a list of sorts anyway, and we might as well try to start a bandwagon going on one of them. I think citi.zen's approach is somewhat reasonable, although I feel like established players playing quietly is more mafia-like then he suggests, and I'd rather vote Foolishness than Ketomai. I think Darth is also a huge candidate, I have no idea what he's doing, but it doesn't look like he's going to do anything helpful this game. And of course, the other two candidates and the publicly feuding youngjeezy and infundibulum. So I propose a new list really. Foolishness Darth (3) Ketomai (1) youngminii (2) infund (1) I'm going to switch my vote then, by virtue of personal suspicion to: ## Vote DarthThienAn I urge everyone to pick from this list from now on. *** And BM, we can't allow people to abstain, please forbid it after this first day lynch. It's just terribly unhelpful. On July 19 2010 04:53 tree.hugger wrote: Essentially. Voting lists are one of the best ways to catch mafia. They spread out across them in predictable patterns, and once you catch one mafia, you can gain a ton of information by looking at the voting lists. It's much better than post analysis, which is always touch and go. If you give people an out by establishing an abstain bandwagon, then you're just handcuffing the town. And you may still be convinced that your strategy is the right one, but it's obviously not going to happen, and it's time you dropped the issue, so the town can move on. Wasting space, and distracting people from the task at hand is counter productive for obvious reasons. That's a fourth alternative. Also, for everyone's reference, this is a vote moved from Subversion. So we have Hyperbola (5) Darth (3) youngminii (4) Ketomai (2) I believe BrownBear, Subversion, and Ketomai have not yet voted. *** At this point, I think people who have not voted for one of these four people (and in particular, the first three) should reconsider their votes, and select one of these players to lynch. Optimally we'll have three lists, and everyone on one of those lists, which should make mafia spotting a little easier. Again, I'd like to push a lynch on Darth. He's smart, and he knows he's not under the cosh yet. Hyperbola and youngminii have tried to defend themselves, but Darth hasn't lifted a finger, which I think it smart. If you're winning, leave well enough alone. But I'd like to punish him for it, and I encourage others to join. Speaks out against the lynch of Hyperbola + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 14:02 tree.hugger wrote: I went to my roof, however, with a vuvuzela and a bullhorn. After an impromptu concert to make sure people were paying attention, I picked up the bullhorn and yelled "GODDAMMIT, LEARN TO PLAY". Then I went back to bed, the crickets came out, and night fell. On July 20 2010 03:06 tree.hugger wrote: There is are six mafia in this game. There is probably one mafia in each of these lists, but I'd also lean on citi and young being mafia candidates. And probably two in this one: Mafia vote counts are usually spread across the likely candidates, as the mafia don't know who our blue's are as much as we know who they are. So there's not a lot to be gained by them in focusing on one target, at least not yet. Therefore, there's probably some mafia who voted early, (I'd lean towards those being more experienced players, but possibly not.) some mafia who voted late, and some mafia who changed their votes. I tend to suspect people who voted against each other, as personal conflict give the mafia a great excuse to make a silly vote that won't ever be held to them. I think we've seen faux conflict be manufactured that way as well. We'll see what more the hits tonight give us, but keep this day 1 voting template in mind. On July 20 2010 11:17 tree.hugger wrote: Well then how do you explain poor Radfield? Now THIS is suspicious, I actually didn't catch that the vote was so close... This is the post: Now, that's not a reason, and furthermore, that's a lie. There's at least one other choice that's close, and several others getting votes. This vote is highly influential, but nobody really caught onto it at the time. But if youngminii is mafia, then that's a direct implication of subversion as well. Curious-er and curious-er. On July 20 2010 13:41 tree.hugger wrote: That's wonderful, Bill. I mean, that's terrible about Foolishness, but that's wonderful about you. Edited the fix. Forgive me. On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote: ##Vote: Subversion On July 21 2010 04:25 tree.hugger wrote: I'd like to point this out yet again. Subversion has more pointing at him this game than anyone else, and it'd not even close. BrownBear isn't playing well, but he's not playing like mafia. Doesn't mean he isn't, but he hasn't said anything close to a tell so far. Meanwhile, Subversion not only cast a highly suspect last-minute vote on a player who really had nothing against him, but he also slipped in the gem quoted above, which, as far as I can tell, has never been said by an innocent townie in the entire history of time. Does he have to roleclaim to get us all to lynch him? Stop pulling a Hyperbola on BrownBear and go lynch the mafia. On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote: This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever. Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is. 1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member. 2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say. Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty. What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there. None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble. On July 22 2010 09:41 tree.hugger wrote: Well, I'll pick this up again on Friday, presuming I'm not dead, so I can vote again for Subversion after whoever the hell it is we're lynching today flips green. gg. citi.zen, you win this round. One final note: You doubt that you're joined at the hip with Subversion? On July 22 2010 13:25 tree.hugger wrote: Because he didn't. Either Pyrr is a clever mafia, or a really really bad townie. I'm leaning towards the latter, and seeing as how we don't seem to want to kill the obvious mafia, can we take this one out next? You're not at all. And you never have been. Pushes hard for a lynch of subversion, doesn't change his vote even after subversion soft claims. + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2010 05:19 tree.hugger wrote: Unless the town comes to some kind of judgement about who to check, then we really don't need to worry too deeply about him. As we all know, just because I say something doesn't mean we're going to do it. For example, it's important that the town talks about citi.zen and BC. Both are veterans, both are smart, both are good at this game. Also, both have been utterly useless so far, popping in once in a while to tell the town that it's doing it all wrong, without ever adding something concrete. It's that kind of ambiguous grey area of activity and inactivity that the mafia love to hide in. Of course, Subversion or youngminii would be great checks as well, seeing as how they're both the same color, and it'd be useful to find out what that is. And surely none of these people would object to them being checked, because they have nothing to fear, right? On July 23 2010 11:13 tree.hugger wrote: If by "we" you mean "I, Pandain" then yeah, that's right. And I stand by that reasoning, and pretty much everything I've posted in the thread so far. Nothing I've seen from any of my suspects or Foolishness' makes me think any differently of them. On July 24 2010 04:24 tree.hugger wrote: It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed. I would caution people to wait until the first 24 hours are up before roleclaiming to BC and Tricode, simply because I'm not sure if everyone in the game has posted, and we should make absolutely sure that no counter-claim has come up. The last part of this analysis that needs to come is that we need to figure out if we can discern any other reason for the kills, other than random sniping for blues. Both players were somewhat un-influential, which strikes me as odd choices for the night kill. DT's should get their information out there if they haven't done so already. Find a way, take a risk, see where that leads you. Mostly filler posts but then moves on to doubting BC/tricode. The confusing thing is that after stating that, he recommends waiting 24 hours before claiming to them. He had just pointed out how it wasn't possible to confirm them, but now instead of saying don't claim he wants people to just wait. + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2010 04:49 tree.hugger wrote: Actually, you're absolutely right. Tricode is confirmed as town. But BC still is the same. At this point, I advocate a mass roleclaim to Tricode. He can then tell the town how many of each blue role claimed, and build a circle. On July 24 2010 04:56 tree.hugger wrote: Let me clarify this. It's an interesting case, in claiming who he hit, Tricode could've conceivably claimed one of the dead guys, or he could've claimed BC. If he had claimed a dead guy, then BC is confirmed. This is what the mafia would want if this was a ploy. However, by claiming BC, then he essentially exonerates himself, by choosing the less-optimal option. Clear? On July 24 2010 05:10 tree.hugger wrote: The absense of a counter-claim establishes: A: There was a vigi hit and It was performed by Tricode OR B: Tricode and BC are on the same team. Because there has not been a counter-claim, and because Tricode chose the sub-optimal hit target, (if he had been mafia) then we can assume that Option A is correct. On July 24 2010 06:31 tree.hugger wrote: Since you last posted that, I responded to your points. In the absence of a counter-claim, Tricode is confirmed town. Now I'm fine with a waiting period for a counter-claim, say, until midnight tonight, but if there isn't one by that time, then Tricode's vigi claim can only be true. That's because the only other option (Tricode and BC on the same team) is rejected because Tricode chose to say that he aimed for BC, which makes him innocent, rather than aiming for Jayme or Roffles, which would make BC look innocent, and which, we can assume, would've been what the mafia would've done. What about this don't you understand? On July 24 2010 06:48 tree.hugger wrote: I'm not concerned about lynching Tricode, I want to establish his innocence. And once again, in the absence of a counter-claim, Tricode MUST be innocent, unless both him and BC are lying. And again, I think it's self evident that the mafia would rather have made BC look like a confirmed townie, than Tricode. On July 24 2010 06:51 tree.hugger wrote: And, I see what you're saying, you're arguing that the incentive for the mafia to discourage a test-lynch on Tricode is enough for them to make it look more like Tricode is innocent. I can see that argument, but I believe that the mafia (at this point) would be confident enough so that the town would not waste a lynch on a test which would, in the unlikely event of it being successful, only yield one other mafia. We're somewhat past the point for tests. I think also, the mafia would be pretty sure they could bandwagon one of our other standbys if Tricode got in trouble. I think the mafia would prefer to let a player like BC fight for himself (were they on the same team) and I think they'd probably win that fight. On July 24 2010 08:21 tree.hugger wrote: No, I think we understand each other actually. I think that's a risk we should be taking, however, I'd like to hear what Tricode has to say about this. He's not the kind of player that inspires confidence in his play. Clarifies more of what was said above. He moves from pushing for role claim to BC and tricode, to just tricode and finally that it is a risky play but worth it to claim to tricode. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 24 2010 10:31 tree.hugger wrote: Hahahaha, BC where was that Day 1? Also, I think we should lynch youngjeezy. He's like Subversion, (and tied to him) but more annoying. I think, seeing how he's rendered an opinion on practically everyone in the town by now, he's a lynch that'll keep on giving. I've thought he's mafia from the beginning, basically, and he's continued to get pretty much everything wrong since then. But I guess I'm open to lynching citi.zen as well, as he's been spectacularly unhelpful, and has been sitting firmly in that grey area between activity and inactivity that usually harbors at least half of the mafia. On July 24 2010 11:32 tree.hugger wrote: Wait what? The green area? What green area? What are you talking about. And if we're talking about the "grey" area that I mentioned then it's you. The person I said it was. We've only lynched two of those people, and the two that only silly people read as town, how can we say the rest are innocent? On July 24 2010 11:41 tree.hugger wrote: And what is the point of abstaining? Abstaining doesn't do squat. Why post at all? Why not just not post and not vote? If everyone abstained all the time, then we wouldn't get anything done. Are people ever 100% sure that other people are mafia? Of course not! But you still have to vote anyway. You've abstained two straight days. If the mafia has influenced any of our votes (oh wait, they've all been close, the mafia has literally been at liberty to pick the people they want dead) then you are pretty much the most responsible person. Are you going to vote this time? And what the hell do you mean that you're going to wait to see what people say? You said, back on page 82 that: You hate reading the thread. But furthermore, you, through your actions of last night, have essentially become one of the town's most valuable resources. If you took any kind of initiative, you could help the town organize. Set an example and start posting constructively. Use your position as the game's most confirmed player to get people together, and forming a better circle. Don't just abstain and sit back. We've had two people survive hits, and one outted Day Vigi, and there's not even the hint that the town has an effective circle together. We're literally playing against one of the worst mafia openings in recent memory, and we're not getting anywhere, thanks primarily to you. (and Pandain, but he can't help it) Get your act together, and play, or be subbed out for someone who will. continues to push for subversion. Trys to get Tricode to step up to his role as a town leader + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2010 12:23 tree.hugger wrote: Woah woah woah. That post wasn't even towards you? What's your problem anyway with thinking that everyone is talking about you 24/7? Your analysis? You're trying to bandwagon chaoser, now right? Old hat, even if chaoser is mafia, which I doubt, seeing as how his bandwagon was made of the same flimsy stuff that Hyperbola's was made out of. We have bigger fish to fry, and I long ago gave up on your ability to post constructively. I figured that ignoring you was enough, but the way you purposely misspell infundibulum's name is just petty, and doesn't belong in this game, and I recommend you take a long meditative retreat in Dharamshala when this is over, it'd teach you to be a nicer person, and stop thinking about yourself all the time. I PM people because this game allows them, and they're a great way for discussing things privately with people. Nothing untoward about that. And where did I 'suck up to BC'? Please. I called him out a few pages ago for posting nothing of value, and not being of help to the town. I welcome the change in his play. As do I welcome this change: If there is no counter-claim, say, in 24 hours, (that's the day with 12 hours remaining) I think the other DT should go ahead and do this. That said, if there is another vet or mad hatter, you'd better pick someone you trust and roleclaim to them, or else we're all screwed. On July 24 2010 12:33 tree.hugger wrote: If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end. For example, I'll add to the double lynch. ##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?) ## Vote Double Lynch On July 24 2010 14:28 tree.hugger wrote: BC, if there is no counter-claim, then why would there be any objections to this going forward? At this point, if there is a remaining town KP role, they obviously must have figured out that they need to claim immediately, and they need to roleclaim, or find someone they trust to roleclaim for them. I know we need to give this time to make sure everyone knows, but if there is no counter-claim, then there's really no other way to look at it, yes? On July 24 2010 16:04 tree.hugger wrote: We're past the point of guessing on inactives. Mafia have been posting, they always do, and we should be able to find them based on evidence, not lack of evidence. Not that I don't think southrawrea could easily be mafia, but I want to lynch someone who is active and who has people attached to him. Otherwise, we're back to Day And citi.zen, I presume your detective has not discovered the mafia, otherwise you'd tell us, yes? On July 24 2010 16:26 tree.hugger wrote: What did I even say about you? My post was a comment on the two votes in quick succession to lynch South. Not everything is about you. On July 24 2010 16:42 tree.hugger wrote: I should've been more clear. I'd like to lynch a mafia with those characteristics. On July 25 2010 05:22 tree.hugger wrote: The feces has impacted the ventilation? This is going to require some thinking... A counter-claim here doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the mafia, I think they'd rather fake a DT claim, then counter claim this. But... Stating the obvious: -Do not roleclaim to anyone. -Either Tricode, citi.zen, or South is mafia, but likely only one of them. On July 25 2010 07:54 tree.hugger wrote: I think we gain plenty of information about this, seeing as how we have a 50% chance at catching mafia, and this is a split vote. Role list analyzing is going to be cake after today. I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one. But more importantly, pick citi.zen. There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then it's the coup de grâce. We've taken out their best player, and we have two confirmed town members to form a circle around. If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then we still have an intact town circle with a DT and a person who was checked. Also, citi.zen's bombs go off, and two people die. It's not unreasonable to assume that citi.zen, being an experienced mafia player and scum-hunter will have caught at least one mafia in his net. I'd trust his bomb placement, providing he has them. If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we've taken out the newest, or one of the newest members of the mafia team. That's about it. If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies—another player who is newer, and not really driving any buses. I know youngminii thinks he's mafia, but I think that's just silly. Decide for yourself, but I'd trust citi.zen's judgment in bomb placing over Southrawrea. *** I think out of these four options, assuming for a moment that the probability of either being mafia is 50/50, then the obvious better outcomes will come from lynching citi.zen. I hardly think there's anything to recommend Southrawrea as a natural mafia, or even a natural mafia selection to go out and try to sabotage this plan. On the flip side, pretty much the only player on TL who I would expect to pull something as crazy as a MH/town circle claim as mafia is citi.zen. I think, if we're talking character types, citi.zen fits, and Southrawrea does not. On July 25 2010 07:59 tree.hugger wrote: You realized you've essentially just claimed that out of the three Town KP roles that have been claimed, two of them are mafia? You know that right? Where's the fourth claim? We need it now. Find the fourth claim. On July 25 2010 08:05 tree.hugger wrote: You believe that BC, Tricode, and Southrawrea are all mafia? Because that's what citi.zen has been forced into arguing now, and that seems to be the point you're trying to push as well. I don't think we were anywhere close to lynching Tricode for confirmation, I'd call the premise of your argument unbelievable to begin with. He was our biggest resource, and there literally was no bandwagon for him forming at all. On July 25 2010 08:07 tree.hugger wrote: If it was any other player on TL, I'd be arguing this too. citi.zen loves these gambits though, and he's pulled them off time and time again. He shot L with no warning in the last game, and he completely made up a role that didn't exist to save himself in one of the other mafia games. (Can't remember.) citi.zen has balls. On July 25 2010 08:10 tree.hugger wrote: I take that back, you're both right. I thought for a moment that the relationship between the two was the inverse of what is actually is. Fair point, but it just means that citi.zen didn't dig the whole I thought he dug. Doesn't make his post much better... On July 25 2010 08:16 tree.hugger wrote: You're cherry-picking and plagiarizing. We gain the same amount of info from vote lists no matter whom is lynched, since this is a polarized vote. The question is of who's bombs you want to go off, or who you'd rather take out if they were both mafia, as they have equal chances to be both. For both answers, the clear answer is citi.zen. And that's full of nonsense. How come we don't go along with citi.zen's analysis on South? Well, dur dur, because if he's mafia he's not likely to help the town out with some accurate analysis is he? If citi.zen truly is town aligned, and he knows he's on the block, do you think he'd honestly leave the second day DT check out of the loop? That's absurd. And you've accused me repeatedly of not reading your analysis. That's not accurate, I have and I think it's junk. Again, there are two variables here that make citi.zen the better lynch, and they're the only two that matter. Bombs, and Skill. And it's citi.zen both times. On July 25 2010 08:44 tree.hugger wrote: DTA is a good enough player to know that he would've had to claim or non-claim in that situation. Lynching DTA was a poor mistake. On July 25 2010 09:39 tree.hugger wrote: If this saves you, I'm going to furious. If you flip green, I'm going to be furious. This was something that should've been claimed a long time ago. But at least it makes your lynch casualty-free. And not only that, this doesn't change anything. It's still a 50/50 between your version of events and Southrawrea's. If you die green, then we can take your word for it. Fair enough. So nothing changes. On July 25 2010 09:46 tree.hugger wrote: It's iNfuNdiBuLuM. This isn't funny, it's embarassing. On July 25 2010 09:49 tree.hugger wrote: He should show some respect to other people playing the game. That doesn't mean that you need to take your foot off the pedal when going after mafia, but this stuff? It's just petty, and has no place in these games. On July 25 2010 10:04 tree.hugger wrote: Meeple will always protect mafia. L will try to bandwagon Ace On July 25 2010 10:17 tree.hugger wrote: Well, at least we know stuff now. On July 25 2010 10:20 tree.hugger wrote: As I said, we still have an intact town circle, and to make matters better, we've still got the MH left. That's all well and good. You can suspect me all you want, but basically the more pressing issue is South v. BC/Tricode. We need a good way of figuring that out and only one/two people know. Either that, or citi.zen's MH is the godfather, which would qualify as a TL Mafia pimpest play, imo. This is the citizen/BC/South posts. He votes double lynch and Citi.zen with the reason that his bombs would be better placed and he would be more likely to try a daring plan. + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2010 10:26 tree.hugger wrote: I think after tonight, citi.zen's MH should claim. Meaning, the mafia still has to worry about him tonight, but after that, the MH's usefulness to town is probably more as a visible member in this fight. And I know that's like asking the MH/GF to just come out and be a town suspect, when they have nothing to lose personally from being hidden, BUT, the value to the town is pretty obvious, (yes?). On July 25 2010 10:43 tree.hugger wrote: You say things like this all the time, and you never really back it up. You throw around words like "flawed" and "inconsistent" like you're the sole arbiter of truth, and that your claims are so self-evident, that they ought to fight for themselves in the thread of public opinion. Part of this game is guessing. Part of this game is skill. Part of this game is persistence. Part of this game is the ability to work with others. You have these abilities in varying qualities, but you don't have the most important trait in mafia, which is patience, and cool headedness. Lynching citi.zen made a lot of sense. It was basically a way of confirming one player over another in a near 50/50 set-up. citi.zen had been on the radar of a ton of people from the game's beginning, including my own. He had a history of useless posting, just as he had a history of making grandiose gambles. But he screwed up hugely today, first by falsely claiming blue, and second by somewhat arrogantly not defending himself. This undoubtably intensified some people's convictions of his guilt, but if you took the chance of him and South being 50/50 mafia, then he was still the obvious choice. His outcomes were better than South's outcomes, and it made logical sense to kill him as a test of this. Unfortunately, the fact that he WASN'T the MH makes this somewhat worse. A new possibility; that of the MH being the GF is now fair game, and his analysis and "bombs" will be missed. He claimed that way to late, and I really don't have any sympathy for him because of that. That said, what you've been right on since the day post is that this isn't over yet, not by a long shot. It's the mafia's move now, and if they continue to suck at killing blues, then the town is in a solid position. We have a split vote today, with only a couple outliers (we need to be focusing on those as well) and so we should be able, as you're saying, to isolate the mafia pretty easily. There's only one wrinkle, and I hesitate to even add this, because we're probably screwed if it's the case. IF citi.zen's MH is the godfather, then we can assume that our two detectives will die tonight. This puts us in a huge hole, but it also makes SouthRawrea look innocent. Which means that the mafia was able to split it's votes between both candidates. At which point, we're done. Hence why citi.zen's fake blue claim could turn out to be so devastating. Here's what On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote: Basically, it works like this: We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target. However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives. Or Southrawrea could be mafia. Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia. We should've had two choices, but now we still have three. So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night. But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for. On July 25 2010 11:09 tree.hugger wrote: Which is why, after tonight, I think we'll know if citi.zen's Mad Hatter was legitimate or not. If all hell doesn't break lose tonight, then citi.zen's Mad Hatter MUST roleclaim, and we should all roleclaim to them. That way, they can put the blues in touch with each other. If the Mad Hatter in that scenario is killed tonight, then the detective MUST roleclaim. It's that simple. We can confirm these players simply on the basis of necessity. I would expect counter-claims at this point. I would therefore advise one of the players involved to take measures that would confirm you in the future. I hope you can think of something plausible. This is our chance. On July 25 2010 11:10 tree.hugger wrote: Oh hell, why? I was writing my post, goddammit! On July 25 2010 11:12 tree.hugger wrote: What am I covering up? What? What about that post is incorrect? On July 25 2010 11:13 tree.hugger wrote: I'm going to take some time off from this game. I'm sick of analyzing things only to have people turn out to not have been telling the truth, and then for the town to be worse off because of it. And I'm sick of Youngminii. On July 25 2010 11:55 tree.hugger wrote: This is something I think is important, and I'm not going to let you turn it against me. I think that, whatever Infundibulum thinks about your mis-spelling his name , it became tiresome, unfunny, and annoying. The fact that you repeatedly used it as a bludgeon to get your point across that he was suspicious or mafia was an immature attempt to be demeaning, and, even if he's made of tougher stuff than to be bothered by it, I didn't like to see it as an observer. These games can get heated, but commentary should consist of what occurs in the game, and should stay out of what doesn't. Your posting has been nothing but negativity from the moment you began this game, and while I appreciate your enthusiasm and drive, it's not fun to read through page after page of you flaming people, and engaging in petty disputes. I have no judgments upon you as a person, please know that, but as a mafia player, your style saddens me. I hope you'll take the time to moderate your words and respond to this in a manner that isn't caustic or agressive. If you have criticisms of the way I treat people in this game, then please tell me as well, because I think we can always be nicer to people, and I think in the heat of the moment, it's easy to forget that. I'd love to continue this discussion in pm's. On July 26 2010 08:09 tree.hugger wrote: ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UBQuEqCJJqk/Sm7fLFOzKMI/AAAAAAAABMw/b7HKoKgJUM0/s400/2009_07_28+Stress+reduction+kit+e.gif) On July 26 2010 08:14 tree.hugger wrote: So that vote when we were choosing between citi.zen and Southrawrea because both were roleclaiming MH, and only one of them could be correct? Well it turns out that when citi.zen claimed, he was actually doing it as a proxy, so in fact the entire assumption based on that lynch was invalid. Should've lynched Southrawrea then. Damn we screwed that up. Except Southrawrea was acting as a proxy for BC so in fact the whole reason between us lynching people the last day was a card tower of lies. Hahahaha! Ahaha! .... Ha!.... ... I advocate the immediate lynching of Zeks and BC because if we're going down, we might as well take out the dishonest anti-town players who got us into this mess. On July 26 2010 09:37 tree.hugger wrote: No, let's kill South too. I wanted to kill the people who got people to proxy for them, but after that we should probably lynch South and Tricode, and then start over. I have no problem killing South. On July 26 2010 09:47 tree.hugger wrote: Did anybody involved in this, anyone, just stop to think for one moment that this was bad for the town? Did anyone who proxy'd someone to claim for them realize, when they saw my posts about citi.zen being the better lynch, or youngminii's posts about South being the better lynch, that the town was making a crucial decision based upon people lying? Did it bother you, Zeks, South, BC that he that the town was making a decision based upon facts that weren't true? I mean, the whole premise of that lynch was to rolecheck competing claims. We didn't do that. We didn't rule out anything. We're back at Day 2, and on Day 2, we were back at Day 1. And yet nobody thought for just a second and realized that through their incredible scheming , they were shooting the town in the foot. Unbelievable. Of course it all makes sense now. I remarked to Infun that South's 'claim' was suspicious because he never once said the words "mad hatter" in them. He just heavily implied it. I said several times in the thread that citi.zen being citi.zen, he's probably making some ballsy play. But I guess I was just naive, I guess I just assumed that someone, on either side, would play with their brain, and not with their ego. I guess I assumed that at least one side had the town's interests at heart. But having been hyuked by both sides? It's really annoying. On July 26 2010 11:33 tree.hugger wrote: You were right about this, I'm done being annoyed about the last day. (Tricode and Zeks, I didn't actually mean I thought lynching you was a good plan, I just meant that it really annoyed me how much we were played yesterday.) It's really funny how wrong and right I was at the beginning, I had a bunch of people that were working as a team, and that turned out to be right—but it wasn't the mafia team. Oh well. *** And I was going to post about how in fact is wasn't so bad and that Zeks is pretty much confirmed, because if Zeks was the GF, then we were all going to lose anyway, and his roleclaim would make no goddamned sense. BUT I think this should be apparent now to everyone, so if you haven't already, roleclaim to Zeks. And ##vote double lynch ##vote BloodyC0bbler ##vote SouthRawrea After the fall out of Citi.zen's green flip, he votes BC and South as well as Double Lynch. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2010 11:56 tree.hugger wrote: If BC isn't red, I agree. South could just be bad. d3, (citi.zen's favorite) Misder, XeliN (haha, never posts, never has to) throws out a list (it includes Xelin) but it isn' followed up on. + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2010 03:22 tree.hugger wrote: Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie, O, what a panic's in thy breastie! Thou need na start awa sae hasty Wi bickering brattle! I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee, Wi' murdering pattle. I'm truly sorry man's dominion Has broken Nature's social union, An' justifies that ill opinion Which makes thee startle At me, thy poor, earth born companion An' fellow mortal! I doubt na, whyles, but thou may thieve; What then? poor beastie, thou maun live! A daimen icker in a thrave 'S a sma' request; I'll get a blessin wi' the lave, An' never miss't. Thy wee-bit housie, too, in ruin! It's silly wa's the win's are strewin! An' naething, now, to big a new ane, O' foggage green! An' bleak December's win's ensuin, Baith snell an' keen! Thou saw the fields laid bare an' waste, An' weary winter comin fast, An' cozie here, beneath the blast, Thou thought to dwell, Till crash! the cruel coulter past Out thro' thy cell. That wee bit heap o' leaves an' stibble, Has cost thee monie a weary nibble! Now thou's turned out, for a' thy trouble, But house or hald, To thole the winter's sleety dribble, An' cranreuch cauld. But Mousie, thou art no thy lane, In proving foresight may be vain: The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men Gang aft agley, An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, For promis'd joy! Still thou are blest, compared wi' me! The present only toucheth thee: But och! I backward cast my e'e, On prospects drear! An' forward, tho' I canna see, I guess an' fear! an appropriate filler post + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2010 06:23 tree.hugger wrote: The last person to edit was Proactinium on page 135. You posted twice after then without raising a complaint. And if it's to correct a grammatical error...? On July 28 2010 18:26 tree.hugger wrote: citi.zen almost shot the town in the foot, but in reality, knowing that both you and South were mafia, that was a poor play from you guys as well. Knowing that it was, in fact a polarized vote, (something figured out because Zeks claimed when he, had he been mafia, had no need to claim) basically meant that if we didn't get the mafia side of the equation that day, we'd get you tomorrow. So why you went almost all-in to buy yourself a day strikes me as a really odd choice. It's true that you hadn't gotten any of your night lynches correct, but there was really no plausible chance anyone would roleclaim to you (woops, Subversion) and you committed yourself to dying the next day, if not that day. I don't get what the thought was behind it. But I guess we'll hear about that later. At any rate, if you were planning to talk your way out of it, not everyone in this game is as easy to convince as BrownBear. Speaking of which.... Not with that lynch, you don't. On July 28 2010 18:29 tree.hugger wrote: Holding a roleclaim over someone's head, even if you suspect they're mafia isn't a very productive way to play... nobody will want to roleclaim to you! But in the end, that split vote worked, we actually did have a mafia on the chopping block. So with some DT leadership (ahem, ahem) we should be in business. On July 29 2010 18:36 tree.hugger wrote: Okay, I'm going to catch up more fully with the day in a little bit after I wake up, which will be after I go to sleep, which will be after the MSL. But I just wanted to remark how funny it was that literally all the players I had playing 'on a team' at the beginning, and thus on my suspicion list, were DT's and their fellow rolechecks. Except BC. I did get him right. We agreed upon Pandain right? I'll check Rastaban later, but he's probably scum. And thank god Infund was a townie, because I was pretty sure, but not 100% I could trust you. gg man. On July 30 2010 03:12 tree.hugger wrote: No problem, I woke up for the MSL, and then fell asleep after it was over, and now I'm up again. Basically, I was talking to Foolishness at the beginning, and then Infund and several others at different points throughout the game. We identified players who were playing on a team early on and tried to get one lynched as a rolecheck on the whole group. My thought was that they were mafia of course, and it turned out to be a little bit of bad luck that we ended up figuring out the town circle, and not the mafia, although ironically we had much more success in that regard than the actual mafia. I've been somewhat busy in the middle of this week, and I'm actually heading up to Montreal for a music festival tomorrow, so my activity is going to be more suspect I'm afraid. And I stand by the lynch of citi.zen, with what we knew at the time, it was the right choice, and it turned out to not be so big of a deal anyway. I've totally lost track at this point of who's claimed to be a DT or not. Looks like; ##Vote: Pandain ##Vote: Rastaban Mafia KP goes down to 1 once we axe Pandain, ya? This is very manageable. These posts catch us up to the present (or at least the time I started on this) where Tree defends lynching Citi.zen and votes pandain and I. SUMMARY Tree starts off with being against the lynch of Hyperbola and votes DTA. Day two he starts pushing Subversion as a prime candidate and doesn't change even after subversion soft claims blue. He supports that Tricode is innocent but suspects BC, He wants Tricode to step up and have mass role claims go to him, thinks it is worth the risk. Shortly after we have the Citi.zen/South claims. He supports lynching South and pushes hard for the town to follow suit. The argument is that Citi.zen is more skilled with placing his bombs and that he is more likely to make such a bold play. Follows up by voting South and BC though he is hesitant to add BC at first. He has been pushing Subversion the entire game, did the mafia think they might could get him lynched sooner and then decided it was too late and had to be sure he was night killed so they double hit him (since there was only 1 hit that night and no one claimed. I am not sure that Tree is town like I was with Bumatlarge after reading through his posts. Tree has a lot more grey areas but also some strong town actions. I thought I would post this and check over some of the other candidates before deciding anything. Also sorry there is a hanging end bold tag, I couldn't find out where it came from. | ||
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(1)Voting Record + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Abstain Day 2: DTA Day 3: Citizen Day 4: BC and SouthRawea Day 5: Tree.hugger He has been on the majority lynch every day except for the first day where he abstained. (2)Deaths and Suspicions + Show Spoiler + After the blue roles were sniped the next target was Youngminii, who was the person trying the hardest to get Chaoser lynched the entire game. I propose that we lynch chaoser since he's pretty much next on my list. I know I was wrong about Infundibulum but we don't really have anyone better to lynch (unless you can come up with one), and chaoser was one of Zeks's leading suspects too. Here we have both Zeks and YM placing chaoser as a leading suspect. He was listed right below BC and SR on YM's hit list On July 25 2010 10:18 youngminii wrote: BC SouthRawrea Chaoser Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town) Quote this every page. Thanks. Pandain a now confirmed townie urged for Chaoser early on On July 22 2010 06:03 Pandain wrote: Right now I believe the two viable decisions are either Chaoser or Darth. They are the two most likely canidates for actually being mafia. BB and Subversion are just new and people are jumping on them for really miniscule posts. The only one thing that could lead to one of them being mafia is Subversions deciding vote in favor of Hyperbola, however that is still unlikely because it is just as likely that 1)The Mafia didn't know of BM's miscount 2)He just voted at an unlucky time. So all those who are picking either BB or Subversion (especially BB) I urge you to change your vote and vote for either Darth of Chaoser. I would suggest Chaoser, just because I find him more likely to be mafia than DTA. To me, it still seems that Chaoser is just trying to get people lynched and DTA could be plannign something. Of course we should keep an eye on DTA, but let's not just lynch him and ruin anything he might be doing. I would urge you to vote Chaoser, but at the very least I humbly request all those not voting either DTA/Chaoser to unvote and pick one of them. We later have Chaoser pushing strongly for Pandain, renewing suspicions. On July 23 2010 13:13 Pandain wrote: If I die: My will: + Show Spoiler + My pet panda Pandet goes to Youngmini in honor of our secret friendship alliance. My secret lover Subversion will get all other belongings. Also, ebwop, "Also I'm getting highly suspicious of all this" I'm getting suscipious of chaoser just because he's just started being so flammatory and instigative. I mixed my thoughts. (3)Scummy Play + Show Spoiler + Let me start with YM's excellent early case on Chaoser: On July 24 2010 09:48 youngminii wrote: My case on Chaoser. + Show Spoiler + Let us delve into the mind of scum. The pattern for a normal, general scum that doesn't go out of his way to do anything out of the ordinary is quite simple. Lay low on the first day or two and slowly come out with accusations. Be very careful of jumping on bandwagons as it may arouse suspicion. Rather than openly coming out and making a case on someone on the first day/two, try to find someone that is making a fool of themselves and make a small case to see if it gains momentum. I think we can all agree that this is a standard way of playing as scum, keeps the suspicion low while still contributing information. Now let us look at chaoser's early game. One of his first posts is to abstain. This vote does not change for the entire day. Fits perfectly in line with my 'lay low' theory, especially (as the wonderful Pandain pointed out) as chaoser was so against my 'no lynch' strategy. One would have to wonder why he didn't simply vote for someone if he was so against it. He raises the counter argument that voting to abstain is different from voting to no lynch, which is a moot point in my opinion really. I think it's less about the days and more about the fact that we get tons of information from looking at vote lists Cool, chaoser wants information from voting lists on the first day. In fact, he even points this out to the public. So why does he not vote for anyone? Oh right, abstaining doesn't label you as 'against' someone. Good stuff in my opinion, I'd probably do it too if I was scum. So up until early Day 2, chaoser continues to bring in a wealth of information (such as the voting history of certain people etc.) but doesn't actually accuse anyone. All he does is make some accusatory comment that doesn't really have any flair to it. See below. chaoser to BB: So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? So early on in Day 2, after a small group of people (Divinek, DTA and Amber[light]) already vote for BB, chaoser joins in and mounts a small case against BB. + Show Spoiler + And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes. I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? After a page or two a LOT of people jump on the bandwagon. It's uncanny. Chaoser realises that if BB is lynched and he flips town then things will look bad for him, so he switches his vote to Subversion, another bandwagon being formed at the time. It's funny, after using that argument against BB he immediately switches to Subversion after seeing the possibility that he might be labeled as mafia (note: someone actually said that the '3rd/4th person on the bandwagon tends to be mafia' and could have affected chaoser's thoughts). The argument he uses against Subversion is one that has already gained traction from BC/Protractinium and so it's easy to ride with. Pandain then mounts an argument against chaoser, who responds by responding to each and every point. I believe they continue this argument via PM and sort it out there and Pandain drops his case on chaoser (I attribute this to Pandain being new to this game and not being very good at picking out lies/deceit etc.). Anyway, what does chaoser do now? Of course, he abstains. Oh, the joy of not really voting for anyone. A common trait of mafia is that they won't contribute too much in the accusations etc. early on. They will however, try and 'appear' to be useful by posting stuff that doesn't really cause them any risk in any way (ie. pointing at someone of being scum). They will often side with someone else or pick on a player that seems to be causing a ruckus which won't be seen as suspicious. In addition to this, scum will go to great lengths to defend themselves. Think about it (directed at newer players), if you are scum you are much more willing to come back to this thread and try to shake off any accusations against you. This is why RVS is quite helpful in smaller games. Often scum will 'lurk' meaning they'll browse around, read everything but won't post too much in order to stay under the radar. However, accusing them and voting for them will force them to come out and defend themselves profusely. We can see this in DTA, he was town and everyone started voting for him. He didn't reply in the thread for a looooooong time (I actually pointed this out but I was ignored /yay), indicating that he was in fact, not lurking but actually AWOL, which is a townie trait. Chaoser falls into the above mafia category. He immediately comes out of his 'useful/informative' shell and starts defending himself a LOT. His posts start becoming a lot of the 'discussion' going on. This continues for a long time, only defending himself and never accusing anyone asides from the occasional "your arguments are weak, why are you trying to get me lynched so bad? Are you scum?" type of argument. Now it's actually really painful to go through skimming page by page but the general trend I see right now is that a lot of people start jumping on the chaoser bandwagon. It's funny, he votes for DTA because he's getting a lot of votes for him. He then states: From reading this, I'll change my vote to Subversion even though that means I'll 100% die. Darth, if you wanna help me, you could switch it over too and I think he'll be first. ##unvote ##vote Subversion Look at this from a scum perspective. He knows DTA is town. He knows that if DTA is lynched then he'll get an even worse image than before. So what does he do? He tries to side with DTA to lynch someone else that already has a lot of people voting for him. This is actually a good play by mafia as he had already taken the side of voting for Subversion earlier so if questioned, he could retaliate by saying "I already had my suspicions on Subversion before!" + Show Spoiler + On an unrelated side note, I find it funny how people are so quick to link me to Subversion (tree.hugger especially) because I defended him a bit whilst nobody links me to DTA's town and Hyperbola's town when I actually gave them proper defenses. Quite ridiculous imo. Blah blah DTA ends up getting lynched (one of the final votes by chaoser, although it could be argued that he did it to save himself) and ends up flipping town. I know I've always been wary of chaoser but I'd like everyone to read my analysis of him. I'm not going to analyse Night 3 'cause that was just a big spam fest and lots of people probably have an ill image of me now. I'd just like you all to trust me for once (I was right on hyperbola/DTA even though it doesn't mean anything, yes I know) and vote for chaoser. I would also like to mention that I believe infundlibsuvxkum and chaoser are linked but that discussion can be saved for another time. Since then here has been his recent contributions: One-liner On July 29 2010 01:56 chaoser wrote: Original Message: why did sub only want to check them and not you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: We were going to do test on both each day. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: why didn't you get amber in... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yeah sub made a direct claim to proct for w/e reason. = Than proctat told me. We were going to let youngmini in if he passed the test but then he revealed our plan ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you said that down below. Your DT checked amber...when did it become procat? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Nope. He checked youngmini and Amber. Both were green. Youngmini was suscipious though so we decided to lay out the test. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: did your DT check me? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: amber wasn't in the group. Procatorium or w/e was. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well fuck me, i'mma go read over the rest of his posts, is it just you and amber now? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yes -.- ----------------------------------------- Original Message: was he your dt? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Subversion was dead. ------------------------------------------------- On July 29 2010 01:56 chaoser wrote: my PMs with Pandain PM list helpful but no new content On July 29 2010 07:09 chaoser wrote: This really has become a spamfest huh complains about spam On July 29 2010 08:43 chaoser wrote: OH ME ME ME! spams This is followed by pandain's response: On July 29 2010 10:02 Pandain wrote: Probably because I was the one who first wrote against you, thus mafia probably doesn't want to accuse their own scum. I even went pretty in depth too. This excludes the BC and SR case of course. Also, @ divinek. Idk. Personaly I highly reccomend everyone who hasn't already rced to zeks to do so NOW. He has already proven hes safe by getting rid of SR and BC, the godfather. Please, don't be scared. Why would Chaoser be so worried if a known red flipping would clear him? Could he have known that even though he had flipped red he was the miller, and was worried that the reverse would hold up, he would be suspected when Pandain eventualy flipped miller? On July 29 2010 10:13 chaoser wrote: day's over right? oneline without content On July 29 2010 12:44 chaoser wrote: zeks DID say he wanted to blow a popsicle stand. again On July 29 2010 14:00 chaoser wrote: jesus... more On July 29 2010 14:01 chaoser wrote: goddamnit, lost our DT and medic. All we have left are vets... I think this might count as 2 lines but the second sentence didn't finish so lets make 1.5 On July 29 2010 14:19 chaoser wrote: why did sin protect xelin???? ... On July 29 2010 22:47 chaoser wrote: 1) Youngminii got it wrong, here's what happened: Sin protected Xelin for some reason and died. zeks only had one bomb on infun because he lied about having two bombs out to scare mafia. He actually did have two bombs on BC and South the night before they were lynched and by the time they died, he had only moved on off, losing a bomb. The mafia then hit bumatlarge and lakris. At least, that's my reading of it. 2) Pandain ;_; you got DT checked red, let it die man. You're going to get lynched regardless, try to help town find second lynch. 3) youngminii moved his vote off me ;_; I was going to make him post a video of him dancing to some song when I flipped green we actualy get more than one line this time, but line one is interpreting the night post and line 3 is joking with YM, only 2 has any content. It is pushing for Pandain's lynch who showed red, this is pretty much what everyone will do though mafia will love this since it is a guaranteed kill since they know he is miller now. On July 29 2010 22:48 chaoser wrote: ##Vote Pandain sorry buddy, you got checked red. You know I'd want you to vote me if I got checked red too. unfortunatly there are no DTs to verify this. On July 29 2010 23:03 chaoser wrote: 14/30 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii (sub said was green) 5. chaoser 6. divinek 11. rastaban (said BC claimed DT to him) 13. Amber[LighT] (sub said was green?) 15. pandain (Flipped Red) 16. ~OpZ~ 23. d3_crescentia (Got medic protected?) 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (Vigi, said he hit BC) 29. protactinium What else is there? that's the condensed list. Player list, contributing without analysing, or pushing for suspects. On July 29 2010 23:09 chaoser wrote: From looking at nights, it seems like Vets didn't get hit. The only time that was even a possibility was during the night where only Sub died though I guess we've decided that he got double stacked which is highly suggestive that he got leaked or they somehow were very sure he was DT. So that means if we have two vets that's 11+2 v 3. If we kill one today it'll be 10+2 v 2 and then when mafia hit at night and if they don't hit vet it'll be 9+2 v 2. I say we have very good chances of winning. contributing more game observations but without analysing people, or pushing for suspects. On July 29 2010 23:26 chaoser wrote: From my PMs with tree.hugger early in the game, he led me to believe that he was in some sort of circle and that he was 100% sure that Sub and Young were mafia. Care to explain, tree? Now pushes for Tree.hugger, thankfully we are now getting content On July 29 2010 23:28 chaoser wrote: citi.zen misinformed us, as everyone saw. We judged citi.zen to be the one more likely to be mafia, but it was basically a gut call on that front. We assumed that both options would prove the same thing, and it was just a choice between two candidates. See my thread posts for my irritable summation. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: dude...wtf happened tonight? did your circle get misinformation or something? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't think we can muster the votes to get them today. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: do you have any info that I could use to help back up my little case a couple pages back or are you guys still not ready to move yet? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yes. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: are you still decently sure about subversion/youngminii? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: It confuses the hell out of me. I have about three explanations for it, and neither of them are particularly useful or likely. I mean, I know the mafia is trying to snipe blues, but they clearly suck at it, and the fact that nobody in the thread who was influential in any way was killed makes me suspicious. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well, you didn't die lol that's a good thing...right? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: He's an idiot. Doubt he's mafia, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't block out what he says. Listen at your peril. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: final message, what are you thoughts on pandain? is he trustable? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: luck has little to do with it. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: best of luck ----------------------------------------- Original Message: <--tree.hugger Haha, I'm probably dying tonight. I've come to terms with that and made appropriate arrangements. I don't thing Pandian's pm release will change anything. Another PM list On July 29 2010 23:29 chaoser wrote: er, BM, can I edit that into spoilers? On July 29 2010 23:30 chaoser wrote: ##Vote tree.hugger Until tree responds, I'm going to keep my vote on him On July 30 2010 06:37 chaoser wrote: wait, did we double lynch? three more filler posts, one line a piece On July 31 2010 02:15 chaoser wrote: It's not stupid, but it's a very dangerous type of play. You can have people like BC or such who can play pro-town ish and make great arguments and in the end sway people's votes away from him even if he is mafia. It's happened several times before in other games where someone will be flipped red, claim miller/insane DT and argue people away from lynching them when they were mafia. People can play anti-town/make bad calls and still be town but appear as mafia. People can play pro-town and still be mafia and appear as town. If you start playing the grey, it gets very very hard to tell if it's a town grey or a mafia grey. The best way, and most heavyhanded way, is to kill anyone who flips red. Makes sure that pandain gets voted for. Again, this isn't bad play since he was red, but mafia would be pushing heavily for him since that is one of the 2x lynches they don't have to worry about. On July 31 2010 13:46 chaoser wrote: I voted pan and tree. Kill me if you like, I'll only flip green and then youngminii has to do the run devil run dance for TL mafia =] He knows that YM had been tailing him the whole game On August 01 2010 09:44 chaoser wrote: I find it strange that pyrr still isn't dead yet even though he's a pretty big name...hmmmm would have been nice for chaoser to have posted some actual reasoning behind why we should suspect pyrr. On August 01 2010 13:47 chaoser wrote: 2. brownbear 5. chaoser 6. divinek 11. rastaban (said BC claimed DT to him) 16. ~OpZ~ 23. d3_crescentia (Got medic protected?) 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (Vigi, said he hit BC) 29. protactinium Another player list On August 02 2010 05:42 chaoser wrote: Sorry I haven't been posting/active in this thread for the last day, Got an interview with UPenn tomorrow for medical school so I've been prepping. Should be back by 3 in the afternoon tomorrow so I'll write up something big then. I am intrested to see what we will get when he returns, I just hope it isn't another one liner or pm/vote list. Chaoser, I haven't played with you before so I don't know your meta, maybe this is your style, but it just seems so conducive to remaining hidden as mafia. I don't know that you are red but you have been playing very suspiciously this entire game and I would like some answers. I would like to hear why you have voted as you have, and why you have seemingly not been contributing to the actual discussion lately. Thanks, | ||
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On August 03 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: This is actually a pretty epic post given that BC tricked you so easily and made you into a puppet....I would like to hear all of that from chaoser too. Someone should pm him. I'm not going to follow you though. Omg it's good. And omg I want to......you have to be town...I'm really fucking torn right now....BM it's going to make me cry if day ends while I'm at work. (And I didn't mean to spam all these posts, just a lot is happening right now, and I quoted this epic ass analysis) Really though I had nothing to lose. I was town, not a blue role and since no one else was PMing me (except for checking to see if BB had a good excuse for his posts) it wasn't like I would be giving up any vital information. And worse case, as it turned out to be he was a fake DT, then we net a red when 3 DTs show up. Since critical information hadn't fallen into my hands I didn't need to make a judgment call until Citi.zen's plan went into affect. SouthRawea's claim and there being 3 DTs I didn't think mafia would make a play risking that many people. If Citi.zen had been the hatter as he claimed then it was likely he would have had a bomb on BC so it would have netted us a red anyway, | ||
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On August 03 2010 06:49 chaoser wrote: Hey guys, just got back from philly, interview an late and took a detour to finally get some philly cheesesteak, I'm catching up in about 5 minutes, taking a shower first, been a long and tiring day x_x woke at 6 to drive over. Did well on my interview though so yay Glad you interview went well and hope you get the job. Here on the home front though, you are on trial and the court is eagerly awaiting your defense. But please do shower first as that smell is over powering the jurors | ||
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On August 03 2010 06:55 chaoser wrote: I almost died day two and afterwards wayyy too much shit came up with everyone counterclaiming and saying they got hit and whatnot. Even if I was saved, I don't think mafia would stir (that word took me 1 minute to remember how to spell x_x) up some crazy plan that put both GF and a regular mafia in touble/killed just to save me. Mafia DID put out a GF and a normal Mafia to get citi.zen lynched, so I wouldn't put it past them. I think though, that is was just a by product of citi.zen's claim, I don't think it was to clear you. BC had already started the distraction from the previous days vote when he claimed the hit at the start of the day. | ||
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On August 03 2010 09:27 chaoser wrote: it's 4/4 on me/pyrr right? I looked through your responses but I didn't find them very convincing. There are just too many coincidences. While your reasons for voting individually make sense as whole it is highly suspicious. Coupling this with the an entire game of questionable play and the continued suspicions of better players then me make this a fairly easy call. I will leave the balance as it is as well and see what we can make of it. | ||
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On August 05 2010 01:21 BrownBear wrote: ##Vote: rastaban It's LYLO, and he seems the most likely to me to be red. At this point, I have to assume the BC-claiming-to-him thing was a mafia mindgame. That was a fast vote with little explanation when we are in a LYLO situation... I am going to look back, and check Chaosers and Opz posts as they were never confirmed, knowing they were town could be what helps us pinpoint the mafia. | ||
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It is too bad that this vote count ended up being off. because if it was accurate then the following posted earlier might have rang true: On August 03 2010 05:07 Divinek wrote: it's great cause everyone that has voted so far is quite quite town like in my eyes, cant wait for the mafia to place their votes on some wagon! If the mafia knew the vote count was off they may not have tried anything and spread there votes. I would like to hear from the confirmed (Divinek, D3) what there thoughts are on the current situation. Right now I am leaning towards Misder, he has been playing like Xelin this whole game, and his votes have been very strange. Don't know if it is enough to hang someone. I just remembered a list of his posts was compiled earlier, so I went back and found them I will re-post them in case anyone else wants to look over them as well. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 30 2010 03:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Compendium of posts by or about Misder (Part 1) + Show Spoiler + Page 9 On July 17 2010 00:38 Misder wrote: How do you know who's mafia if there are no clues? Behavior? Page 11 On July 17 2010 11:27 Misder wrote: So... are we lynching now? Page 17 This was the first vote on Hyperbola, who ended up getting lynched. Prior to this post, nine different people had one vote each on them. Misder ended the day with his vote on LaxerCannon, though... On July 18 2010 10:43 Misder wrote: ##Vote: hyperbola Sketchy to me. He says hes active, but says he only posted because he does want to be killed. And hyperbola's reason to lynch SiNiquity is horrible lol. I was actually going to abstain, but hyperbola's post annoyed me lol. More vote analysis: Misder voted with SouthRawrea (as well as Roffles and Citi.zen) against Chaoser on Day 2. Day 3, Misder voted for me rather than citi.zen or southrawrea (citi.zen died). Day 4, Misder voted for Pandain rather than BC. Page 19 On July 18 2010 13:22 Misder wrote: Um... I'm not aligned with SiNiquity at all right now. I know nothing of him. However, I do know that your post seems really... odd, to say the least. Also, what is wrong with a lengthy post? His first lengthy post was just a list of names that have not contributed (I was on that list... hopefully I'm doing ok helping out the town as much as I can). His second lengthy response, I admit, is completely against you; but he has a point. Just because you were townie aligned before does not mean that you can act sketchy and get away with it. Page 22 Misder asks Amber[Light] why he is trusting Xelin On July 19 2010 02:27 Misder wrote: Why exactly do you trust Xelin out of all the players here? As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Page 25 Vote changed to LaxerCannon On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... Page 30 Impatient for day post On July 20 2010 10:27 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 07:15 LaXerCannon wrote: Resources (fixed) + Show Spoiler + Jayme -> Amber[light] Pandain -> abstain DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia d3_crescentia -> DTA DTA -> Unabstain citi.zen -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia Pandain -> Incognito SouthRawrea -> Abstain ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain bumatlarge -> Divinek Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity LaXercannon -> Abstain Youngminii -> Abstain Divinek -> Abstain Tricode -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola Roffles -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXercannon Foolishness -> Abstain lakrismamma -> LaXercannon lakrismamma -> Subversion BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain ~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA XeliN -> Brownbear iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM citi.zen -> ketomai XeliN -> youngminii chaoser -> abstain Amber[LighT] -> abstain treehugger -> DTA Amber[LighT] -> youngminii Roffles -> youngminii lakrismamma -> ketomai DTA -> Amber[LighT] bumatlarge -> Hyperbola BrownBear -> Hyperbola Jayme -> Youngminii Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler Misder -> LaXerCannon zeks -> abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain -> Pandain bumatlarge -> Divinek -> Hyperbola* BrownBear -> Hyperbola* Chaoser -> Abstain citi.zen -> ketomai d3_crescentia -> DTA Divinek -> Abstain -> Hyperbola* DTA -> Abstain -> Amber[LighT] Foolishness -> Abstain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii Jayme -> Amber[Light] -> youngminii lakrismamma -> LaXerCannon -> Subversion -> ketomai LaXercannon -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser -> BloodyC0bbler Pandain -> Abstain -> Incognito (?) -> BloodyC0bbler -> Hyperbola* Protactinium -> Abstain Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen Roffles -> Abstain SiNiquity -> Hyperbola* SouthRawrea -> Abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola Tricode -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXerCannon XeliN -> Brownbear -> youngminii youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia -> abstain -> iNfuNdiBuLuM zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain What interests me is this block of voting: Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola and these people: Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain My head hurts so I'll just give a couple one liners for now (I've been digging through this damned thread for like an eternity) The Hyperbola bandwagon Misder @ 10:43 Divinek @ 10:51 Pandain @ 10:56 zeks @ 11:22 SiNiquity @ 11:37 Within an hour, Hyperbola gets bandwagonned and is in first place: @ 11:37 (after roffles' vote) Definitely suspicious considering how fast and compact the votes were together Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain Misder -> starts bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed zeks -> fourth voter for bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed attempts at lowering suspicion? I already said why I unvoted for Hyperbola. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... Also, as many people already stated, Hyperbola was not screwed all the way. It was 6-5 for Hyperbola, a very close vote. Anyways... ITS 9:27!!!!!! WHERE IS THE DAY POST!!!! Page 31 Deflects blame for Hyperbola bandwagon onto followers BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion On July 20 2010 13:44 Misder wrote: BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion are the three people that originally voted for Hyperbola... just because. As people already pointed out, they are under the most suspicion because they just went the easy way out, without needing to read the thread. I think that we should lynch one of these three. Either they are mafia who don't want to come out or townies that aren't helping anything by jumping on bandwagons which was decisive in who we lynched on Day 1 (could have been 4-5 if they actually read the thread and had their own ideas). + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote: the day technically started at 9 pm est/10 kst my girlfriend and i have been fighting, and i'm sorry that that inhibited my ability to resolve the night's action on time, but we really needed a night out together, and went to see the movie inception. i would like to add that i am now engaged to be married. i will make the day start from midnight tonight as a result. let me go through the actions and see who was to be killed/protected/etc. Congrats! I'm sorry about making you rush the day post >.< Page 36 BloodyC0bbler makes a big post including why he thinks Zeks and Misder are town. Why would the GF make a post trying to convince town that two town-aligned people are town-aligned? Page 36 Misder puts FoS on lakrismamma, citi.zen, and DTA for Foolishness's death (note I used this in my case against DTA). On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote: Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote: You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote: I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote: You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote: The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything. The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover. It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good. On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote: I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote: I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts: Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red. Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red? Page 36 Citi.zen points out that Misder's collection of Foolishness's post leaves out the one where Foolishness votes for BloodyC0bbler! On July 21 2010 03:29 citi.zen wrote: Good collection of posts man, congrats! You left out this one: Page 43 Misder changes vote from DTA (who gets lynched) to Chaoser On July 22 2010 01:32 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote: On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote: Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12? So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 NEW VOTES: chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02 BrownBear abstains at 6:52 Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53 Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20 youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32 chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25 LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27 SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19 chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34 hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me ##vote Subversion End result: BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode) Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser) DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia) chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea) abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon) People yet to vote: xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles Chaoser won't tell us what he is experimenting. Here's what I think he is doing. Remember subversion's post? + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 09:09 Subversion wrote: THANK YOU fucking hell. I played in ONE NIGHT of harry potter mafia, I got temp banned for some stupid joke and got replaced This is my first game ffs, I didn't realise what I said would make it "oh gg, he's mafia lol, what a fkn moron". I was trying to be useful Seems like everyone is jumping on my voting bandwagon, I get what I said was stupid now, although I still don't really understand why its a fucknormous mistake. I was simply stating what to me, was a fairly obvious fact. It was kind of a justification for my vote to be honest. I didn't see any major mistakes, I didn't have anyone I felt REALLY deserved a vote, but I didn't wanna abstain and I thought Hyperbola was fucked anyway. So I read what he said and what others said, there didn't really seem like any better choice, so I just voted for him. Like I said, I didn't really think my vote mattered much anyway. I also had Bill up my ass saying I was gonna be modkilled if I didn't vote! I really don't want to be voted out here, I don't want to roleclaim either, but I can if necessary?? I think that chaoser is trying to get subversion to roleclaim. He voted for subversion to pressure subversion to roleclaim to defend himself. Do not roleclaim yet. This makes me very very suspicious of chaoser. I may be completely paranoid, but its scummy to me. ##Unvote DarthThienAn Vote chaoser On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote: Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 30 2010 03:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "Part 2 + Show Spoiler + Page 44 Says he is suspicious of Zeks and BC On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus. + Show Spoiler + blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... My reason for lynching him was this + Show Spoiler + As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior. The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that. Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out. Page 62 On July 22 2010 12:44 Misder wrote: ##Vote Double lynch I have a feeling that after today, we are going to have a huge crapload of people under suspicion... Page 63 On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote: One more person needs to vote double lynch for it to pass!! On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote: It is majority vote for double lynch, right? On July 22 2010 12:54 Misder wrote: oh, lol. When I looked at BM vote tally, I thought there were 15 people left and we needed 8 people... stupid me. Page 71 Citi.zen wonder why no one is responding to or following with his suspicion of Misder. Pandain replies to say he thinks Zeks is more suspicious than Misder. On July 23 2010 06:09 Pandain wrote: I actually followed up on your suscipion of misder/zeks and I've decided that misder is much more town-likely than zeks. Misder I feel is actually contributing while Zeks posts' aren't that praiseworthy much. In addition, I negated the idea of ALL the three of them being mafia (misder,zeks, BC) because as misder says in this post he includes zeks in being under suscipion. Obviously that could just be a mafia ploy, but it does help lend credibility to Misder. In addition, Misder could be mafia too. Looking over his posts I found a few that are suscipious, but not neccesarily mafia like. Here we see his reasoning ORIGINALLY for voting Hyperbola, but of course I take this to mean a joking sort of vote. He does question Hyperbola but then later unvote him here. A theory could be laid that Misder wanted to "start" the bandwagon on Hyperbola and than jump out. This could be possible, but I believe it is too early to call such a thing certain. Even more theories(all speculative) could be laid out supporting him being mafia. For example, in this post he begins to show how Foolishness's death could have been caused by his posts "accusing people." Misder could just be using this to help the mafia, or he could just be trying to help. Either way, uncertain. More questionable is what you point out that in that post he forgot to include Foolishness's vote for BC. As of now, should we vote Misder? No. Should we keep an eye on him? Perhaps. Personally I feel zeks is a better suspect. I've compiled a list of his posts and notes I can share, but as of now they're pretty sloppy and just my thoughts. I'll probably reveal it later. Finally, as for BC? not sure yet. He's a mafia vet, therefore should be watched closely, but I'm not sure if there are close enough ties to tie him to mafia. Especially a 3 person maifa. Unless you have more posts by BC which could indicate him, I'm more likely to just suspect Zeks. A note about Zeks: One of the reasons I suspect him is because he's fairly quiet. More so than probably 95% of people.*cough* Tricode *Cough*. Speak up zeks, I'll probably change my mind about you. So yeah, those are just my thoughts. Just wanted you to know I have been thinking about that post. In short: Interesting idea, but we need more evidence/posts. I feel like one of the things holding us back is that certain people aren't speaking that often. Does it make them mafia? Certainly not. Can it be indicative of a mafia? Certainly. These thoughts are certainly not final, and I'm still in the process of analyzing and deciding. Page 72 Misder responds On July 23 2010 08:36 Misder wrote: citi.zen's post + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! my post + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus. + Show Spoiler + blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... My reason for lynching him was this + Show Spoiler + As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior. The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that. Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out. citi.zen, you've only made one post against me (with actual content), and I have responded earlier. Just saying. And if you really want to lynch me, you have tonight and day (mafia time) to present to the people before I can respond... (as I stated, I will not be able to get internet access tomorrow, and maybe even the day after tomorrow.) Page 78 Votes for me before day starts On July 23 2010 14:21 Misder wrote: ##Vote Double Lynch ##Vote Pyrrholuxia For DTA Since I can't defend myself later and no one is probably going to defend me, I'll just say that I'm pro-town. My only sugestion is look at my posts. They are the only things defending me right now. Hopefully I will be able to get internet access sometime soon. Page 88 BC says: "A list of 6 where 1-2 will most likely be red Siniquity, Southrawrea, Pandain, subversion, misder, protactinium" Page 94 Lakrismamma says: "I think BC is being very suspicious in not not coming with any ideas except delaying the claims. I find it weird as well that he dident include Misder in his little investigation. Misder is one of the scummyest people in the game I think. For now though since we could not abstain too much according to BM." Page 96 Siniquity says: "I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it." Page 97 BC says: "As for why I haven't analyzed misder? So what? I opted to snag people I saw obviously coasting/acting scummy. You know, rather than fingering me for who I didn't analyze, maybe you should spend time analyzing said person. Hell if you think you believe they are scum, maybe you should give a reason why other than "I think" Trying to put suspicion on me for who I didn't analyze is like saying "You contributed, but because your scum list and mine don't overlap 100% you must be red" instead of contributing yourself." Page 120 Zeks posts: "Double Lynch List (18/13): Siniquity, BrownBear, Protactinium, zeks, ~OpZ~, rastaban, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, LaXerCannon, Pandain, lakrismamma, XeliN, citi.zen, youngminii, pyrrhuloxia, amber[light], Divinek Who is missing? Tree.hugger, BC, SouthRawrea, Infundibulum, Misder, Tricode, Subversion" Page 130 Tree.Hugger posts: " On July 26 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote: also there's way too many people in this game that dont post enough that are probably mob, how annoying d3, (citi.zen's favorite) Misder, XeliN (haha, never posts, never has to) Page 135 Protractinium posts: "And so we have it here. Mafia killed Subversion, and I had a PM from Pandain telling me that the "other Detective" was going to check Subversion tonight, but to "keep Subversion from thinking that, and to just play it cool and to have him check Misder/lakrismamma." Page 136 Votes Pandain and SouthRawrea. Says we should lynch Zeks to see if BC is innocent or not. Says we should lynch Rastaban next. On July 26 2010 16:51 Misder wrote: ##vote Double Lynch ##vote SouthRawrea ##vote Pandain I'm back. And I read through the entire thread. It confused the heck out of me... my first mafia game wasn't this complicated. >.< Here's my train of thought: SouthRawrea has been lying, and fake claiming. Easy enough. And when he is asked to post PMs, he retypes it. I think that he doesn't know what PM posting looks like, so in order to cover up his made up PMs, he says he retypes it. Pandain has been lying in the PMs. To me, this suggests that he is mafia. Even when he is PMing, he doesn't follow the plans that are given. I don't know anything about PMing in a mafia game, but it seems to be all a mind game. And it seems like Pandain is confusing as many people as possible. I don't feel like BC is mafia. If he is, we can prove it by lynching zeks. This is pretty flawed, but I just have a feeling (I could be completely wrong, in which...) I also think that we should consider lynching rastaban. rastaban's dt is fake; we cannot confirm whether he is lying or that his dt is lying. We lynch rastaban to get this info. Page 153 Pandain's top 4 suspects On July 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote: Top four list(in my opinion) Imo we should look at these user's collection of posts first. In no particular order 1.Misder 2.Pyrr 3.tree hugger 4.Opz Page 156 Divinek suspicious of Misder On July 29 2010 15:22 Divinek wrote: Page 157 Divinek and rastaban and I discuss Misder Page 158 Brown Bear votes Misder. First vote on Misder this game? I think so. Page 159 Pandain has a new top 4 list. This one omits OPZ and adds Divinek. Page 159 Pandain votes for Divinek and I. Divinek shoud be lynched first because somehow this will prove Misder's alignment? | ||
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On July 29 2010 08:40 XeliN wrote: Oh what villainous webs we weave, to entice naivety into our midst and feast upon it. The dice is rolled, the hour shall strike for one brave solider blindly entering into the den of the beast. Yet justice doth spread itself too far, and the virtuous too oft find themselves stifled under it's harrowing wings. Flee, oh flee this tainted land, the light is swept away by dusk, blurring deceit and truth, entwined. The colour of our countenance shall cease it's divisive nature. Lo! for the mighty and weak alike shall become unified within this spectrum of transcendency. Our virtue shall glimmer out through eschatological verification, Who shall journey bravely with me out of this most turbulent sea? Would the marked come companioned? The Dice is rolled... I'm a wee bit infested and very much looking forward to meeting one, or more of you, on this most auspicious of nights. | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:16 Pandain wrote: Pretty sexy. Did proct(/mafia) plan this all out with framing me for subversions death. Being miller was icing on the cake really | ||
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On August 05 2010 08:01 XeliN wrote: This, whatever u might get moaned at the fact is you have to put alot of time and effort into running something like this and thanks alot for doing so. I don't know why there wasn't a seperate thread for voting though, I'd pull my hair out if I was host having to check over every page scanning for bolded text ^^ Yeah, and I think I voted for in-thread voting, it ended up being a nightmare for mafia, town and mod to go though. It did help net the Chaoser kill, with the vote miscount. | ||
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On August 05 2010 08:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep note of the bottom left box + caption beside it. I laughed so hard at this picture you have no idea LOL, I admit, this is still my desktop at work... speaking of which I probably need to change it. | ||
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On August 05 2010 09:01 Ace wrote: am I the only one that laughed when d3 voted, then pyrr,proct and rastaban all matched his vote? rofl I was like oh dear god you have got to be kidding me lmao. we were all stalking the forums like a pride of lions waiting for our prey to make one small misstep, for the weak or sick one to lag just a fraction behind the rest of the heard and then STRIKE! | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:08 SouthRawrea wrote: Woooo that was fun. Your pictures helped carry the game | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:23 BrownBear wrote: POST GAME THOUGHTS: I've already discussed my play, now I want to bring up the play of the town. Overall, town played terribly this game. There was not any one person who was super super bad and ruined it for us, it was our game to lose and we blew it. Here 4 points Pandain mentioned where town got screwed: Some of these were unfortunate coincidences. Some of these were us utterly failing. 1) Infiltration of DT circle. It had been posted many many times that Pandain and Protact were in contact with subversion, after sub's death. When Pandain flipped miller, town should have immediately moved to lynch Protactinium. This is not based on anything that happened in the thread, this is based off of common sense. When a DT circle is infiltrated and the DT dies, you start lynching members of the circle until you catch the scum. We were basically handed Protactinium on a silver platter and nobody said anything other than "oh, we should think about this." D'oh >< 2) Xelin Attack When Xelin posted that "LOL IM SUICIDE BOMMA" post in the thread, here's what should have happened: a) zeks should have told another confirmed townie everything he knew (this happened, he told young, but young failed to pass it on to another confirmed townie, and then died the next night). b) Everyone should have gotten as fucking far away from zeks as possible. He was the most obvious target, the center of a town circle, there was no way XeliN wasn't going to bomb him. People should have thought a lot more. c) SINiquity shouldn't have fucking protected XeliN! That has to be the dumbest move all game. I really want to hear his logic, because right now I have to believe his logic train went like "hmm, xelin just claimed suicide bomber in the thread. I'M GOING TO PROTECT HIM AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS HURR DURR" So yeah, that night was what turned it around for mafia. 5 townies dead in one night, ouch. 3) Sexy blue sniping not much we could do here, mafia played almost picture-perfect. Moving on... 4) Medic protecting BC Maybe I think this one was obvious, since at that point I was sure BC was red, but I don't know why Roffles protected him. Then, after Tricode got his shot blocked, people didn't ask questions, they just assumed Tricode would try to kill BC because of the meta going on there. This is an important lesson: even if there is a solid meta reason for something happening, look through the thread and see if you can't find an even better logical reason. Often the logical reason will trump the metagame reason. ...yeah. That sucked. Apart from those, there are a couple things: 1) youngminii throwing a temper tantrum and outing Pandain as a detective because voting didn't go the way he wanted. I'm sorry young, I know you're usually a good player, but this is inexcusable. You were green, under no circumstances should you be publically calling out a blue role unless they specifically ask you to. The fact that he was a mouth rather than the actual DT changes nothing, because you didn't know that. Regardless of what you thought of his plan, regardless of whether his play was dumb or smart, regardless of anything, you do not out a blue role. Unless you're mafia, of course. Or traitor. Then it's ok 2) d3's vote on me that ended the game. In a LYLO situation, you do not vote until you are 100% sure you are voting for a red. I was 100% sure rastaban was red, but I did have a contingency plan. When I voted, I stated I was probably going inactive for a while, this was actually a ploy. I was watching the thread very very closely. If I saw anyone stack on with little to no explanation, I would immediately have posted unvoting (I actually had the post ready to go), and throw FoS on that person. Then d3 came along, was like "LOL VOTE BROWNBEAR", and... you know the rest. Yeah, I don't actually know which play was worse - SIN's mafia-medicness, young's "GRR IM ANGRY PANDAIN IS DT", or d3's game ending impulse vote. These are just examples, and I'm in no way saying I'm mad at any of these players. I'm simply pointing out things you do not do in mafia. I've been guilty of really dumb play before (Team Melee Mini Mafia), and I learned from it, because everyone pointed it out. I loved playing with you all, even through your whoopsies, and this game was fun. However, I do want to talk about the setup a bit. People have already talked about some things (balance, KP, etc.) and I won't add on to that. I just want to post a couple logistical issues I had with this game: 1) If you are going to go inactive for large periods of time, please have a co-host who can post in your absence. A couple hours late once or twice is excusable. 28 hours late because you were playing Texas Hold-em is not. Sorry Bill, I <3 you, but it really frustrated me when that happened. 2) Please have a separate voting thread. If you insist on not doing so, at least make sure you can count votes properly, and please don't get angry at people when they try to count votes up when you aren't there. Actually, just have a separate voting thread. It's easier on all of us. 3) The day-ends-when-majority-is-reached rule is not a good rule. A fixed-hour day works much better, because people's minds can change in a 48-hour period. This setup is conducive to quick bandwagoning and gives mafia too much control over the day period, which is really supposed to be town's time to shine. The last lynch was the best example: 1 wrong vote, and mafia just bandwagoned town to death. Bearies to come later. Long post. Tired. These are some good points but I disagree with the first, if it had been a closed circle then yeah, that might be legit, but when he died was there anyone who didn't already know he was DT? I mean Zeks PM to me was the sub was my DT and he pretty much outed him in the thread. The infiltration gave us good information on others but it only occurred because subversion had outed himself. | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote: Exactly, this game you and others had 100% CLEAR EVIDENCE which you ignored. Not picking on you, just saying that what the town collectively swallowed that entire was surreal to me. If Ace/Ver/Incognito actually playrd in this game I trust they would have noticed the dozens of plain bad and skewed arguments. Should have been a huge asset to the town, but they just got ignored. Maybe it was due to the way I presented it (this being my second game) but I was not trying to say there were 3 legitimate claims, but only 2. and that you had told both legitimate claimers that there were 3 so they would be forced to reveal their corresponding DTs instead of just linking the mouths. The theory being based on the assumption that you never actually had a DT. The mafia would want this since killing the DTs would be better than trying to off the mouths. | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:46 citi.zen wrote: But that's just the point: if there were 3 claims, one had to be from the mafia. AKA I was not mafia. But I was arguing there were only 2 claims, and your DT never existed because you were actually mafia trying to flush them out. | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote: There I would actually start to suspect you only because you're still just assuming its all because he's mafia. Since citizen didn't tell anyone, besides us, that means he didn't "fabricate anything." Well the argument was that he asked for us all to hand over the names of the DTs in that post so he could find the real DT. This is what the mafia would want, the names of the actual DTs since the mouths doesn't net them much. In the PM sent he states for us to give him the names of our DTs when we are ready. | ||
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On August 05 2010 11:15 youngminii wrote: Dw I'll go back and revise my play. And uhh, I'll make it eventually I really wished that chaoser had been scum because your play reminded me of this. Focusing on Scum When I did my post analysis of Chaoser I noticed that he and I had played almost identically, I was hoping I wouldn't get called on it due to the shortage of time and him being defensive. | ||
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On August 05 2010 14:34 bumatlarge wrote: Heh, not too suprised, but really nice play by mafia. I dont have any regrets, I trusted citizen and zeks and really pushed for BC and south. Had no idae about anyone else though. Wish they would have kept me alive And was rasta the one that "analyzed" and said i was 88% town? what a bastard lol Hey that 12% was that you were a blue role lol. I was kind of hoping to frame you somehoe but when I was done I thought man there is no way anyone would believe that, screw it I will try and win some townie points. It was my first analysis, but I wonder if I haven't ruined any real town analysis from now on since I had to make these based on how I wanted the out come and not reading the actual results. | ||
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On August 07 2010 08:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Belkar is perhaps the coolest character on order of the stick. I proudly accept that bearie. Glad you enjoyed the chaotic show. I am so jealous, my new goal in life will be to get a sexy shoeless god of war bearie as well! | ||
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