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On July 19 2010 05:37 d3_crescentia wrote: Difference between Day 1 Lynch/No Lynch is marginal. Numbers, since I am so good at them: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 Lynch: 24-23-21 21-20-18 18-17-15 15-14-12 12-11-9 9-8-6 Day 1 No Lynch: 24-24-22 22-21-19 19-18-16 16-15-13 13-12-10 10-9-7 7-6-4 Looking only at vanilla KP (lynching, mafia hits) the difference is that we live for one day longer without a lynch. Considering all the tricks we have in this game (hatters, suicide bomber, medic) and all the uncertainty it brings, a Day 1 mislynch is a marginal cost to pay for the information we could get. I think it's less about the days and more about the fact that we get tons of information from looking at vote lists | ||
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On July 19 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote: Do we know how many townies there are? 2, 3? There's 24 townies | ||
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On July 19 2010 08:36 BrownBear wrote: My bad, didn't realize you could abstain. Should have done that, but at this point it's not like it really matters :/ So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? | ||
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Vote Count: 6] Hyperbola (Divinek, Pandain, SiNiquity, bumatlarge, BB, Subversion) 4] YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles, Infizzleundibulumizzle) 2] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia) 2] ketomai (citi.zen, lakrismamma) 2] Amber[LighT] (jayme, DarthThienAn), 2[ BloodyC0bbler (~OpZ, Foolishness) 2] LaXerCannon (Misder, citi.zen) 1] citi.zen (rastaban) 1] SiNiquity (Hyperbola) 1] Pandain (BC) 1] Infundibulum (youngminii) 5] abstain (LaXerCannon, tricode, SouthRawrea, Chaoser, protactinium, zeks) Voting ended at 10:10 Subversion votes for Hyperbola at 9:16 - "No other clear choice" zeks unvotes Hyperbola, abstains at 8:58 - "Unvote like I promised" Misder unvotes Hyperbola, votes for LaXerCannon at 8:38 - "His posts don't have substance" Fooliahness votes for BC at 8:25 - "Bad vibes" Jayme unvotes Hyperbola, votes Youngminii at 7:53 - "Youngminii has is crazy sketch" BrownBear votes for Hyperbola at 6:30 - "oops mistake, didn't know you could absain, oh well, nothing I can do now." Those were the votes of people in the last 4 hours, starting with BrownBear's vote for Hyperbola Just putting the info out there | ||
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On July 19 2010 23:23 zeks wrote: ^ picking out choice words out of everyones posts is quite convenient. What are you trying to paint of us? I didn't mean to cherrypick if that's what you mean, I just did a quick scan and wrote down the closest thing to a reason. If you want I'll link to all of them. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=25#488 zeks http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=25#484 Misder http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=25#481 Foolishness http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=24#478 Jayme http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=24#475 BrownBear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=24#471］ NOTE: I left out Protactinium's vote for abstain because he had just joined the game and so I assume he needs to be caught up. | ||
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On July 19 2010 23:29 Jayme wrote: Okay that told us absolutely nothing besides the fact that BrownBear apparently doesn't like to rectify mistakes and that Foolishness gets vibes. So at least Hyperbola turned up green and not blue, that would have made that freak miniwagon almost humorous I feel like a lot of times townies can't contribute to the game because reading through 10+ pages for info is very tiresome and some just can't be bothered. Might as well summarize some stuff so everyone can see it in one spot. Sometimes things start to connect if it's viewed all together instead of separately. Plus, voting at the end of the day can be important sometimes. I know mafia like to split votes so that not all of them are on the same person and right now the votes seem pretty split so I thought I'd bring to attention those who changed votes/made votes very late in the game. I'm not saying these people (you) are guilty of anything, just that this is what happened. Others can make use of this information however they want. | ||
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I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? | ||
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On July 20 2010 15:35 youngminii wrote: So a pretty interesting thing that happened was (believe me or not, it doesn't really affect anything) foolishness pm'd me this morning being pretty vague. He said something like he needed a few things for someone to check up on and that I could help him figure a few things out. I have no clue what he was talking about and by the time I replied he was already dead. Anyways, now that SC2 is back down I'm gonna go read through pretty much the entire thread again. Brb. Why don't you think the claim by d3 and only one person dying last night means anything/affects anything? | ||
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So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 End result: BrownBear - 5 DarthThienAn - 3 Subversion - 3 | ||
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Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion | ||
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On July 19 2010 00:50 chaoser wrote: ##vote abstain for now, didn't want to get modkilled I got a pm from BM saying please vote, I voted by abstaining. Later on, I couldn't make up my mind on whether I should vote for Hyperbola or not and I didn't want to vote for anyone else because no one else struck me as suspicious. So I decided to abstain. I felt that no one deserved my vote. If i had voted for someone and later somehow that vote ended up painting me as mafia and the only explanation I had was, I didn't want to vote Hyperbola so I voted a random dude, I'd be digging my own grave. On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote: It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it? How did I contradict myself? I said it would be bad if we all abstained and no one was lynched. Clearly someone was going to be lynched. Just because I vote abstain doesn't mean I didn't want anyone lynched. I didn't contradict myself. On July 19 2010 09:05 chaoser wrote: + Show Spoiler + So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? and no one else has made that claim? I noticed his statement was weird and pointed it out so others could analysis it too. If you've noticed, that's what I do. I organize/point out information so that others can have an easier time thinking about things. BrownBear votes for Hyperbola at 6:30 - "oops mistake, didn't know you could absain, oh well, nothing I can do now." Those were the votes of people in the last 4 hours, starting with BrownBear's vote for Hyperbola Just putting the info out there How did I disagree with my own vote? I was pointing out that his reasoning is FLAWED. He said he voted Hyperbola cause he didn't know he could abstain and then said, oh well, I'm not going to change. I voted abstain because that was the choice I agreed with most at the time. I didn't think anyone was suspicious enough in my mind that I would want to vote for them and also give a good reason as to why I thought they were suspicious. On July 20 2010 23:02 chaoser wrote: And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes. I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? After the first day had passed, I started to get a better inkling of what was going on and there was information I could work with. I pointed out BrownBear again and tried to be logical about why I thought his actions were suspicious. What's wrong with that? On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that. Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion Please read my post, I 100% explained why I didn't vote BrownBear. I also state I'll have to see about the Subversion vote. He has yet to respond so I'm waiting for that before 100% deciding. All in all, I don't think I've done anything scummy. You've tried to paint a lot of my actions as scummy even though they weren't. I can't tell if that's because you just came to the wrong conclusion or if you're trying to divert attention away from the BrownBear/Subversion/Darth situation on voting right now. Maybe you could look at the situation better if I organized all my posts together into one post for you? | ||
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On July 21 2010 07:00 Pandain wrote: Double crud( I am the epitomy of epic fail  ) When I say "just in case BB is innocent." I am saying that chaoser was the one who started the bandwagon. Also, how did I start the bandwagon? I noted what I thought about him but didn't VOTE. How did I start a bandwagon against him? I was posting my own thoughts on the situation and seeing how other people thought about it. | ||
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On July 21 2010 07:31 BrownBear wrote: I wouldn't go so far as to say chaoser started a bandwagon on me, as others were already against me to begin with. But there's been so much hate against me coming from him. So. Much. :'( Hey, look on the bright side, at least I didn't vote for you =]. I'll go buy you a snow cone later if you're not mafia. | ||
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You vote an inactive in order to get them to talk more, you vote someone who you think has to justify a certain response. But you don't just abstain because you don't know who to vote for, But then you don't say to youngmini, who was abstaining for the same reason you were (We have to be sure), that he's stupid. I've never voted like that before but I can see where you're coming from. Usually when I vote I just vote for who I actually believe is suspicious. Next time I'll be sure to use my first day's vote to get people to talk. Also, I don't think I said youngminii was stupid. Yes. Yes it does mean you contradited yourself. You said it was bad if we abstain, and then you abstained. And Yes, if you vote abstain it means you didn't want anyone lynched. What else does it mean? I said it was bad to use the strategy of "no-lynch" on the first day, I didn't say it was bad to abstain. If I did I met it as part of the "no-lynch" strategy and not that abstaining by itself is bad. If i really thought abstaining was bad 1) I wouldn't have abstained lol and 2) I would have been vocal about others abstaining that first day. I'm just noting that you made the claim first. This is all part of my own theory that you wanted the town to double lynch Subversion and Brown Bear. After making sure people were suscipious of Brownbear, you decide to jump on Subversion. And agian, you did the same thing. You say your going to change the vote from abstain later, but then you don't. You don't even say "Hey, I'm unsure who to lynch. Can (person) please clarify what they mean by this.) And yes you do organize/point out information. But as I point out, it isn't always unbiased. I don't think I was the first to make the claim and I don't want to double lynch BrownBear and Subversion, that's not even possible, if we vote double lynch today we'd get it the NEXT day in which case, if things are as they are now, either Subversion or BrownBear will have been lynched. Ok so I didn't reaffirm my decision about abstaining the first day. I'll make sure to do it if I continue to believe Subversion is the one I want to vote for after he talks ok? Mmm... nice. That responds to my argument in no way at all. Maybe you quoted the wrong thing? .With that, please quote MY statements, not yorus. Makes it incredibally hard since I have to scroll up and down and just takes alot of effort I don't know what you're referring to and I think I was confused on what you were referring to in your original statement with this line: In addition, you yourself disagree with your own vote. I find that suscipious. Mm, I think that's all of it? To conclude, I'm not mafia. And I don't want to continue this thread of conversation. There is more evidence/weird things going on for BrownBear/Subversion than for me at this moment. I'd be more than happy to continue the next day but for now I'd like to focus on the issue that was being talked about before. Right now I feel like I'm just helping you in derailing the thread and so I'd like to continue this conversation in PMs and post those up if people want later. | ||
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THIS IS FROM HIM "Did you see the "A final word" thing. That pretty much sums up this argument from my side. I'm saying that you criticizing youngmini for saying "hey lots not lynch people" and your decision to abstain both come from the same reason: We don't have enough info. And thus, since you criticize Youngmini, you are contradicting yourself. Do I make myself clear?" ----------------------------------------- Original Message: THIS IS FROM ME In response to: On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote: It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it? and that I am pointing out that you are contradicitng yourself by saying that abstaining is bad and abstaining yourself. no where in there did I say I was against abstaining. I said not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision. Individuals abstaining doesn't mean no one will be lynched. I was against the plan of EVERYONE abstaining, not the idea of abstaining in general. Sorry, if I was confusing about that. No had feelings either way lol. The contradiction comes from the fact that though I voted abstain because I didn't have enough information and yet I criticized youngminii (your) call for us all to "no-lynch" on day one because there wasn't enough information I voted for Subversion because I didn't like the initial bandwagon on BrownBear and was starting to have doubts because of Subversion's perceived bad play in Day 1 as well as his "slip" that the mafia made no mistakes so far. If you're going to say, omg that's bandwagon too then every majority vote is "bandwagoning". To me, bandwagoning is when there's a huge amount of votes for one person over a very short amount of time. I don't think I bandwagoned. Also, after reading what Subversion has said as well as some things that Pandain stated in the thread, I've moved my vote off him. Get off my back. Thanks =] | ||
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On July 21 2010 11:19 SouthRawrea wrote: Um this is getting a bit too heated in my opinion but this may all just be coming from the fact that chaoser is furiously trying to get the town's suspicion placed on Subversion or he's reading wayyy too much into the words typed out by Subversion. This is his first game and I can emphasize with him because you don't quite think out every thing you type especially in your first game. If I try to help my team (because I've played a couple of forum games before) I generally type furiously without reading over what I've typed and trying to think how that would read to another player. Also, I'm pretty sure Subversion hasn't mentioned you. I do think you're trying too hard to tunnel him (not sure if that term is used here). However, it's not like you're voting him or anything which makes me inclined to think that you're just trying to defend yourself and help the village in general. I don't see why you'd go for Subversion instead of an inactive such as me. ##Vote Chaoser I would abstain but we can afford a mislynch now and we have a bit of information to work with especially because the detectives have their reports and we have a claim. This generally works in our favour as there hasn't been a lucky kill for the mafia and there is alot more text to read upon for scumtells. Also we get more info now. (Not quite sure how this works in my head but I imagine a detective claim from someone getting lynched day 2 is much more convincing than one on day 1 especially because they have a report now) You'll notice that 1) In my previous post I stated I no longer was that suspicious of him. 2) I'm not even voting for him anymore 3) I was initially arguing for BrownBear's lynch. So wrong on all three counts. Thanks for trying to misrepresent me though. | ||
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On July 21 2010 11:39 SouthRawrea wrote: 1) It could very well possible you act that way because of the pressure beginning to build on you now shown with 2 votes +mine. 2) Addressed that already. 3) WUT Explain #3 I'll be more clear, I initially stated that I thought BrownBear was suspicious. I didn't vote because I didn't like the initial bandwagon on him. As the game wore on, I started to think Subversion was suspicious. Also, I changed my vote on him AFTER he spoke which just so happened to be after youngminii and pandain voted for me. It's not even that much pressure since I clearly felt like I haven't done anything scummy at all. Just read my posts. And finally, point three is about how you say "chaoser is furiously trying to get the town's suspicion placed on Subversion" when I clearly haven't. Whatever, i'm going to sleep. See you all in the morning. | ||
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On July 21 2010 11:38 Pandain wrote: What? It's not much of a contradiction that you appear to be pro town by rallying against youngmini for advocating no-lynching yet all the while abstain yourself (thus helping the mafia). So does that mean all abstainers are "helping the mafia?" If I remember correctly, you at one point also considered abstaining. Pandain United States. July 18 2010 10:44. Posts 428 PM Profile Report Quote # Yeah I think we should lynch, just because isn't the mafia going to kill one of us by the next day? Then again, I'd feel horrible if I lynched a good person. I might abstain, but I'll have to see both sides first. I'll decide later. You also advocated against no-lynching in that quote up there as a response to Tricode. | ||
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On July 21 2010 12:02 Pandain wrote: Fuck it I sound mean. Here, I'll clarify more  . Read the bolded part above and you'll see my stance. I say "I MIGHT abstain", but that's just because this is my very first game so I had to see both sides. However, I said "I think we should lynch." Saying you MIGHT abstain means you have a similar thought process as me, that there's not enough information. And I already say that you were for lynching aka against, the no-lynch plan. | ||
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Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12? So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 NEW VOTES: chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02 BrownBear abstains at 6:52 Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53 Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20 youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32 chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25 LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27 SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19 chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34 hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me ##vote Subversion End result: BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode) Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser) DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia) chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea) abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon) People yet to vote: xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles | ||
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On July 21 2010 13:05 Pandain wrote: Can't make up your mind eh?  If you're testing something, might be good not to say you are. If you really do want to vote for Subversion, care to explain what led to the decision?wait till the test results are in and I'll tell you =] | ||
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5]BrownBear (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode) *note, rastaban wrote Vote BrownBear in Bold but didn't have ## in front, does that count? 5]Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, DarthThienAn, Jayme, chaoser) 6]DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, Misder, XeliN, zeks, Subversion) 3]chaoser (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea) 3]Abstain (BrownBear, LaXerCannon, SiNiquity) People Yet to Vote: lakrismamma, Infundibulum, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, protactinium, roffles Double Lunch iNfuNdiBuLuM | ||
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On July 20 2010 23:02 chaoser wrote: And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes. I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that. Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion The only two times when I mention the problems I have with Subversion. Where am I jumping at "small holes?" I'm saying the same thing everyone else is, that his statement about mafia's mistake seems weird. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:03 Pandain wrote: Right now I believe the two viable decisions are either Chaoser or Darth. They are the two most likely canidates for actually being mafia. BB and Subversion are just new and people are jumping on them for really miniscule posts. The only one thing that could lead to one of them being mafia is Subversions deciding vote in favor of Hyperbola, however that is still unlikely because it is just as likely that 1)The Mafia didn't know of BM's miscount 2)He just voted at an unlucky time. So all those who are picking either BB or Subversion (especially BB) I urge you to change your vote and vote for either Darth of Chaoser. I would suggest Chaoser, just because I find him more likely to be mafia than DTA. To me, it still seems that Chaoser is just trying to get people lynched and DTA could be plannign something. Of course we should keep an eye on DTA, but let's not just lynch him and ruin anything he might be doing. I would urge you to vote Chaoser, but at the very least I humbly request all those not voting either DTA/Chaoser to unvote and pick one of them. that's very scummy of you to say isn't it? Your suggestion gives mafia license to stack votes instead of having to worry about spreading it over different potential targets (4) right now. If later people ask, they can be like well, Pandain suggested it. And how am I more likely as mafia than DTA? Look at Pyrr's huge statement against him against the two weak points you bring against me (that I abstained after saying don't go with the no-lynch plan (which others did too) and then voted Subversion today.) If I get lynch and I flip non-red, people should carefully examine all the people who are hardcore gunning for me (Pandain, youngminii) | ||
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On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote: Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town LaXercannon does it. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. tricode does it. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 09:59 SouthRawrea wrote: My take on this is we should take it easy Day 1 and just individually take note of inactives/suspicious individuals until we get our power roles in action tonight. Sure we may end up lynching one of the Reds and it does indeed help to lynch scummy players in order to lessen the number suspects in a future lynch but Random Lynching on Day 1 also allows Reds to gain a foothold in swaying the opinions of players in a future 50/50 situation (ex: Player X is active since Day 1 and seems to be pro-town but is in actuality a mafia. Both him and a Player Y, a cop, counter-claim each other with conflicting reports several days later and the town is given a 50/50 shot at lynching the right person but the other cop hasn't been speaking as much in fear of revealing the fact that he is a cop to the mafia through unintentional, implicit clues. The rest of the village trusts Player X because he seems to be more Pro-Town than Player Y.) and we risk the possibility of lynching one of our power roles early on. Just my 2 cents on why I voted to abstain from lynching. SouthRawrea actually believes it's better not to lynch anyone day one and then abstained so I guess he's not contradicting himself? the last two, protactinium and zeks, don't really mention no-lynching but they both advocate lynching someone (an inactive the first day). They both abstained. So are these guys suspicious cause they contradicted themselves as well? Bring a better argument. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:40 Protactinium wrote: Chaoser, throwing blame around isn't the best way to make your case, especially if you are so blatantly wrong. I was subbed into this game and did not have time to finish reading the thread, as stated. If you are going to make false accusations, at least try to back them up. Furthermore, you realize that unless everybody abstains, somebody is bound to be lynched. There is no majority system here. 1) I didn't throw blame around, I don't even think there is blame to begin with seeing as how I don't think my argument for "let's not do a no-lynch" and my choice of abstaining is contradictory. 2) I forgot that you subbed in late but from your few posts during the first day you DIDN'T say you supported the no-lynch plan which means by default that you supported the lynch someone plan. That is how I thought about it. And to pick on just that one fact and then level the statement that I am "blatantly wrong" and "making false accusations" when the all the other ones check out is a HUGE overstatement. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:55 Bill Murray wrote: I would like to address me not having chaoser's vote. in the following post he bolded 55 words, and used the word "vote" or "unvote" 28 times. sorry for missing it, but make it clearer next time. i would prefer you to put it in the opening or ending of your post. if you're going to put it in the middle, please make it easier to see (like don't bold half the post and include the word vote every 5th word) yeah sorry about that, will do next time | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote: Also, since as of now theres basically a 3 way tie between Darth, Subversion, And Chaoser, what happens if theres a tie. Do they all get lynched? None of them? First person to the 7 gets lynched, that means DTA I think | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:49 BrownBear wrote: Actually the least scummy thing he's done so far. Logically, he doesn't want to die. If he really didn't want to die he would have voted for Subversion cause that pushes Subversion to 8, new highest. Just pointing that out. | ||
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followed by the start of BrownBear's bandwagon. On July 19 2010 09:05 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? so by your definition, anyone that FoS anyone is bandwagoning? Recall that post of his stating that he's gonna abstain for now only to avoid a modkill? Well, he never really changed his vote afterwards. On July 20 2010 23:02 chaoser wrote: And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes. I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? I said I would be watching BB. I did, I didn't see anything that 100% convinced me he was mafia So then he goes onto kill BB, and also think we should waste our double lynch pretty early, but when he wakes up like 7 hours later, he decides "Oh shit, don't feel like voting for BB, gonna use it on Subversion instead" On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that. Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion I didn't say "oh shit, gonna change votes for no reason lawl." 1) I hadn't voted on BB yet, was jsut talking about how people should keep a close eye on him and 2) I outlined my reasons in that post So if you do a little reading, you'll see that the reason why he switched over to Subversion was simply because other people were doing it. "At first, I wanted to vote BB cause everyone else was killing him. Now they're killing Subversion, so I might as well make myself comfortable and hop on as well" That's not it at all, I said I voted for him because 1) BB's bandwagon from people voting for him seemed weird and so he was less suspicious and 2) Subversion's mafia hasn't made a mistake comment was fishy, "At first, I wanted to vote BB cause everyone else was killing him. Now they're killing Subversion, so I might as well make myself comfortable and hop on as well" ^--not that at all | ||
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everyone, please take note of all the people voting me last minute, thanks. ##unvote ##vote DarthThienAn | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:44 Pandain wrote: So your 7 statements rallying against BB weren't sufficient enough to gather a vote, yet when subversion makes a sentence that seems "fishy" its like "woah, he must be mafia!" and you actually DO vote for him after the BB bandwagon has started. All the while advocating a double lynch. What are my 7 statements? Please post them. I voted for subversion not just because he made a "fishy" statement but also because BB was being voted on like crazy. The only other person that seemed suspicious to me at the thing was subversion so I voted. | ||
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9] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma, citi.zen, BrownBear, Divinek) 6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain) 3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~) 1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler) Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, rastaban)[/quote] not voting: everyone voted! double lynch: (1/15) iNfuNdiBuLuM day ends in under 5 1/2 hours think that's the vote, modified BM's to be more recent, well good bye town, take note of last minute votes on me | ||
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People seemed veryyyy into somehow making me into a lynch target even though I wasn't even a blip on the radar before today. I compiled information and let the game run it's course. This is because I don't like to impose my opinion on people unless I feel it's very very accurate and correct. I was waiting for more information because I said something because I like to be sure. That is why some people think i was "under the radar". But I didn't want to not help the town so I did the only thing I could do, I compiled lists and information. They not only help me think about patterns in people's movements and decisions but they can be used by all of the town. By presenting them as just information I was trying hard not to put a spin on it so that it was pure. But all of a sudden, Pandain puts together this HUGE case against me using faulty logic (which I'm glad to see that at least some people agree with). I was forced to defend myself. As the game wore on, I started to wonder, when did these accusations come about? Very close to the time that you, Subversion, were heading upwards in votes. Darth was still ahead of you but you were close to the top. So I decided to vote on you and tie the votes. This would force people into motion if you were truly mafia. To either vote for me or vote for Darth. And they did. People moved to Darth and me. But for some reason, even though I convinced Pandain to move off me and showed that the logic is flawed AT BEST, people kept voting for me. My test was complete. I'll be glad to die if my death gives the town information about the mafia. a lot of people used fucked up logic to vote for me or to even convince others to vote for me. Those people should be looked at. Even when I responded and destroyed their arguments they said "eh, that's your opinion, I don't feel that way" It's not opinion, it's fact. Mafia is trying very hard to save someone right now. I don't know who but my death should shed some light. Good luck town. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:03 Pandain wrote: And it was this argument that changed my mind and made me unvote Chaoser and vote Subversion. From reading this, I'll change my vote to Subversion even though that means I'll 100% die. Darth, if you wanna help me, you could switch it over too and I think he'll be first. ##unvote ##vote Subversion | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: @DTA So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR | ||
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THIS is WIFOM Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw. | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:13 DarthThienAn wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related THIS is WIFOM Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw. We should just lynch me to prove how bad Pyrr is at this game. Now the two of us are examples of WIFOM. WHY DO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING INCEPTION-ED?!? | ||
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Sorry DTA, you betray me, I betray you. ##unvote ##vote DarthThienAn | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:22 Subversion wrote: Why? Everyone is pretty much agreed that me and DTA are most likely town. Only difference is, I have claimed blue, he has claimed green. Why vote off the townie with an important skill? Why was I not included in this ;_; | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:09 Pandain wrote: Haha! Holy shit. Mine WAS the deciding factor. not really, DTA was at 9, I was at 8, if you voted me I would be 9 but DTA got there first. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I regret nothing. Why the fuck did he fake blue? I don't think he ever faked blue, someone else said mad hatter and he joking said mad batter or something like that | ||
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On July 22 2010 21:21 zeks wrote: 10] DarthThienAn (Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban, ~OpZ~, Protactinium, chaoser, Pandain) 8] chaoser (youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear, Divinek, siniquity ) 7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], iNfuNdiBuLuM, DarthThienAn, d3_crescentia) Quite amazingly we somehow had a 3 player split in votes - which really works in the favor of scum as they can spread their votes as much as they want. Now that DTA has flipped green (sucks and I contributed to his hanging also), assuming chaoser and Subversion aren't lying about the blue claims then in scum point of view it wouldn't have mattered who died - of course it'd be a big plus to lynch a blue. Having said that if Subversion and chaoser are both telling the truth I'd be very surprised if neither of them took a hit today. A blue claim is obviously more dangerous than a green one, which is why I will give both Subversion and chaoser the benefit of the doubt for now. Judging by the voting pattern a little bit it seemed like scum didn't feel threatened at all at any point about voting (tight voting, not any irregular activity in stacks of voting)...which may suggest something about the lynch candidates Um, I NEVER SAID I was a blue role. Don't know where you got that from, sorry. | ||
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XeliN vote DTA at 20:25 zeks votes DTA at 20:33 (actually voted DTA at 23:58 the previous KST day) Subversion votes DTA at 21:20 The 3 votes (pyrr,xelin,sub) jump DTA to the top of the list from 3 to 6 citi.zen votes zeks at 23:38 (says he might vote misder if convinced) misder unvotes DTA, votes chaoser at 1:32 (drops DTA to 5, chaoser to 4) Amber[Light] unvotes BB votes Subversion at 1:34 (Subversion at top with 6, BB at 4) BB votes DTA at 2:22 (DTA ties Subversion at top with 6) Protactinium abstains at 2:26 LaXerCannon votes DTA at 3:00 (DTA to top with 7) Lakrismamma votes Roffles at 4:32 BC votes amber at 4:51 Roffles votes chaoser at 5:16 (chaoser to 5) Lakrismamma votes chaoser at 5:53 (chaoser to 6) rastaban unvotes BB, abstains at 6:25 Pandian unvotes chaoser, votes Subversion (Subversion ties DTA at 7, chaoser at 5) citi.zen unvotes zeks, votes chaoser (chaoser at 6) DTA unvotes Subversion, votes chaoser (DTA, Subversion, Chaoser tie at top in that order) At this point BrownBear is out of the equation | ||
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rastaban unabstains, votes DTA at 7:35 (DTA 8, Cha 7, Sub 7) BBt unvotes DTA, votes chaoser at 8:15 (DTA 7, Cha 8, Sub 7) Divinek unvotes BB, votes chaoser at 8:34 (Cha 9, DTA 7, Sub 7) chaoser unvotes Sub, votes DTA at 8:41 (Cha 9, DTA 8, Sub 6) Lakrismamma abstains at 9:30 chaoser unvotes DTA, votes Subversion at 9:37 (Cha 9, DTA 7, Sub 7) Divinek unvotes chaoser, votes amber at 9:44 (Cha 8, DTA 7, Sub 7) At this point amber has 2 votes, BB has 3 DTA unvotes chaoser, votes Subversion at 9:55 (Cha at 7, DTA 7, Sub 8) Here BM announces voting ends in about 2 hours Pandain unvotes Subversion, Abstains at 10:51 (Sub at 7/top, Cha 7, DTA 7) OpZ unvotes BB, votes DTA at 10:58 (DTA 8, Sub 7, Cha 7) Siniquity unabstains, votes chaoser at 11:03 (DTA 8/top, Cha 8, Sub 7) iNfuNdiBuLuM votes Subversion at 11:44 (DTA 8/top, Cha 8, Sub 8) Divinek unvotes amber, votes chaoser at 11:54 (Cha 9, DTA 8, Sub 8) Protactinium votes DTA at 11:58 (Cha 9/top, DTA 9, Sub 8) There is an hour left DTA unvotes Sub, votes chaoser at 12:01 (Cha 10, DTA 9, Sub 7) Tricode unvotes BB, abstains at 12:07 chaoser unvotes Sub, votes DTA at 12:11 (Cha 10, DTA 10, Sub 6) DTA unvotes chaoser, votes Sub at 12:16, says cya (DTA 10, Cha 9, Sub 7) d3_crescentia votes Subversion at 12:20 (DTA 10, Cha 9, Sub 8) Pandain unabstains, votes DTA at 12:59 ( | ||
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On July 23 2010 09:07 SouthRawrea wrote: Most useful post during the entire night. + <3s. Saved me from backtracking again. I still say night posting is kind of dumb. How is night posting dumb? It's useful for examining the day that just happened and allows for talking about voting patterns. Once day hits we'll be too busy looking at hits/night actions to even talk about voting from the previous day. At least, it won't be as organized | ||
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OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck: When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background. If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things. | ||
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On July 23 2010 11:13 Pandain wrote: How do you know it was a PM? Maybe I'm a psychotic liar. Didn't think about that, did you? Maybe we're all in a dream and the idea that that PM was sent to you was planted. Maybe this game is a lie. MaybRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR | ||
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On July 23 2010 12:05 youngminii wrote: If you would read the thread once in a while, you would've read my reasoning earlier. It's okay, I'm kind enough to explain it again. There's no reason for scum to pin me along with Subversion. If Subversion is scum, then tree.hugger wouldn't be lynching him (unless it's epically bad bussing). If Subversion's isn't scum, then what's the point of 'pinning' me to Subversion? It makes no logical sense. Anyway, what's wrong with you people. You lynch DTA and say 'we fucked up' and 'we didn't learn anything'? I'll come back when I have some free time and lay down a solid argument against chaoser. Until then, have fun. Still on me huh? I've got something on you too =p | ||
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On July 23 2010 12:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: ? am i just misreading it? how is what he said an answer for "why don't you think tree.hugger is red, given all the sketchy shit you say he's doing?" nah, I totally agree, he's dodging | ||
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On July 23 2010 12:51 Subversion wrote: so excited to see who died. even tho i really think it might be me, lolz. what a scummy thing to say... | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:07 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Or, youngminii, you could answer the question and clarify your position for the rest of the town. As it is right now, you are 1) dodging the question 2) becoming hostile I was not hostile - the post you made about tree huggers PM's is actually pretty important and I didn't really follow your thought process. You obviously know a lot about tree hugger, yet you are refusing to share this information with the town. Why? I looked back in the thread and didn't see the clarifying post you mentioned before. I don't understand why you're so uncooperative. Like I said, if i was in your position, i would be thinking pretty hard about tree hugger being scum, especially since he'd been pushing for Subversions lynch over chaoser - someone who you thought (think) was red. But you don't think he's scum. I asked why, a reasonable question, and you haven't answered. Why are you dodging the questions? he's pushing me hard too | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:10 Pandain wrote: He did partially answer the question. He said if Subversion was scum, than Tree.Hugger wouldn't be lynching him. However that does leave off the question if he thought subversion wasn't scum. Youngmini can explain himself better than I just did, but you get the point. Also, I'm highly suscipious especially of Chaoser because it seems to me that as soon as day started, youngmini started getting hammered. Lay off, I don't want this to become another bandwagon. Let him explain. He got on my back, I'mma get on his. he's been on my ass, bringing me up even when we've clearly moved on. Day 2 was a clusterfuck of a day. The reason DTA died and not me is due to sheer luck. I was, I think 1 vote away from him. He just got the bad end of the stick. If i was really mafia you think they'd leave it so damn close? I've already told you about why you shouldn't have posted that PM before night ended but apparently that doesn't matter in my PRO-TOWN play. Also, where have you EVER heard someone say "I'm excited about the kills"? This is the same person who said "mafia made no mistakes so far". Gloating as mafia/being excited for kills (WHICH NO TOWNIE SHOULD BE SINCE DEATHS=LESS OF US) is VERY SCUMMY | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:29 youngminii wrote: I would like you to find the post in which I said "mafia made no mistakes so far". I also do not recall saying "I'm excited about the kills", but I sure am excited to see Day 3 and what happened on Night 2. Please don't pull things out of your ass and please stop coming to false conclusions. Thanks. wasn't talking about you, was talking about subversion | ||
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On July 23 2010 12:51 Subversion wrote: so excited to see who died. even tho i really think it might be me, lolz. that one don't change it to make people think i'm talking about you, I was clearly referring to this. It's a page back for christ's sake. Also, all those possibilities you listed, what's more likely? mafia playing badly? them all being AFK when people generated about 5 pages of discussion in the last 2 hours? or them flaming the flames on a couple townies killing each other? | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:37 youngminii wrote: That's so dumb holy fucking Christ. Apologies for the mess I made. Anyway, back to chaoser. Why are you bringing up subversion? I don't see what this has to do with anything we were talking about. Subversion's scumness doesn't have a thing to do with what I said previously. not to fan the flames anymore, but if you'll notice, in that message, i quoted pandain. not you. he said that he had problems with my saying that subversion was scummy. I was explaining to him why I said it. Thanks, and hope we all calm down. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:51 Pandain wrote: Now that things have settled, I think now would be a good time for everyone who hasn't voted to double lynch to do so now. I really feel like we should've had it for this day, but I guess we'll have to wait. Opinions? Anyone see why we SHOULDN'T double lynch? If not, I urge all of you to vote so now. can't vote right now btw, gotta wait till day | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: We know we have two kp roles, one is a vig, the other could be hatter or vig. we don't know, it wasn't revealed | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:36 SiNiquity wrote: If BC is lying, then there were only 2 hits last night. If there were only 2 hits last night, then no Vigilante fired a shot (unless Mafia stacked, but this seems highly unlikely). Therefore when we call for a Vigilante to claim, some Mafia could claim it worry-free, since no one else could claim it. Worse yet, this Mafia member that claimed could be Godfather and have picked the Vigilante role, so there's no way to know there either (or BC is GF under the guise of a Veteran). Thus both the claiming Vigilante and BC would need to be checked. If neither were Mafia, only then would we know for sure. I couldn't sleep knowing stuff was going down =]. Even from what you say, if BC IS lying and someone lies with him and claims Vigi, even if they are GF and picked vigi as role, we just check BC. If he flips red, the person who claimed Vigi is in the shithole and we get a 2 for 1. Aside from that, I will post about why it is 100% in our favor for Vigi to claim. | ||
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1) Two real hits went down last night, one on Roffles, one on Jayme 2) BC says he got hit 3) The only way that can happen is through Vigi Two cases can happen: BC is lying BC is telling the truth In that first case, the only way it would work is if a fake vigi claims. If no real vigi claims then we know BC is 100% lying. If a fake vigi does claim,,then both BC and Vigi who claims are both liars, they are now 100% linked to each other. Now, they both can't be GF and in this situation, the vigi will be GF because, like you said, he will be checked next night. So we check BC instead. If he's red, both go down. Even in the case BC is GF, they have no idea who we're going to check, it's a 50/50 risk for them that we will find out. That's not a risk they probably want to take. The final reason mafia wouldn't do this is because I don't care about using the vigi as a confirmed townie, I just want information on what happened like night, which two the mafia actually hit, and which one was hit by vigi. Now, on to the BC tells truth. Well in that case, a fake vigi can claim first or a real one can. If the real one does first, then that's that. If the fake one does, the real one can just claim and there will be a 1 v 1. Even if the real one claims first and then a fake one claims, we're still left with a 1v1 and a dead mafia sooner or later. for all other counter claims. people ready stated it: There's no way of us knowing whether or not the claim is true or false. There may or may not be one or two Vigis and even then 2 scum can step up and counter claim. I actually disagree here. If 2 scum step up and counterclaim it exposes them in the open under public scrutiny. We can lynch the first claimant (the one who fired the shot) and see if he told the truth. Then we can have the other two shoot each other during the night with their vigi shots. If neither of them dies then we know they're both lying. I actually do feel like I left something out so if anyone else can think of it, please help, I'm suppose to be asleep right now, if my parents catch me up i'm fucked. I'll write more tomorrow | ||
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On July 23 2010 17:58 Subversion wrote: Also, isn't there a situation where Tricode and BC could BOTH be lying? Seems like we've just blindly accepted Tricode's claim as fact here. But BC could be lying, and so could Tricode. I guess that would be risky though since the real vig could counter-claim. On July 23 2010 15:54 chaoser wrote: Vigi should 100% claim. Let's first look at the facts: 1) Two real hits went down last night, one on Roffles, one on Jayme 2) BC says he got hit 3) The only way that can happen is through Vigi Two cases can happen: BC is lying BC is telling the truth In that first case, the only way it would work is if a fake vigi claims. If no real vigi claims then we know BC is 100% lying. If a fake vigi does claim,,then both BC and Vigi who claims are both liars, they are now 100% linked to each other. Now, they both can't be GF and in this situation, the vigi will be GF because, like you said, he will be checked next night. So we check BC instead. If he's red, both go down. Even in the case BC is GF, they have no idea who we're going to check, it's a 50/50 risk for them that we will find out. That's not a risk they probably want to take. The final reason mafia wouldn't do this is because I don't care about using the vigi as a confirmed townie, I just want information on what happened like night, which two the mafia actually hit, and which one was hit by vigi. Now, on to the BC tells truth. Well in that case, a fake vigi can claim first or a real one can. If the real one does first, then that's that. If the fake one does, the real one can just claim and there will be a 1 v 1. Even if the real one claims first and then a fake one claims, we're still left with a 1v1 and a dead mafia sooner or later. for all other counter claims. people ready stated it: I actually do feel like I left something out so if anyone else can think of it, please help, I'm suppose to be asleep right now, if my parents catch me up i'm fucked. I'll write more tomorrow I talked about it already | ||
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The Two Votes As we all know, on Day 1, youngminii and Hyperbola were both on the shopping block. At the crucial moment of 9:16, the last vote of the night, Subversion pipes in with a: Subversion Korea (South). July 19 2010 09:16. Posts 732 PM Profile Blog Report Quote # ##Vote: Hyperbola Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now. and casts the deciding vote. This vote pushed Hyperbola to 6, keeping youngminii (at 5), safe from death. As we've later found out, Hyperbola was green. This action came under scrutiny from a number of people: SiNiquity: Subversion Votes for Hyperbola with a one liner as night approaches, 45 minutes before the deadline. The vote was previously tied at 5-5. There wasn't a vote count with the Jayme mistake in it, as Jayme voted in between the Last Non-Final Vote Count (4.5 hours before deadline) and the Final Vote Count. It could be a freak coincidence, and had it been left at tied Hyperbola would've won, as he achieved more votes first. But maybe it was too close for comfort, as it was 7 - 5 before two people unvoted Hyperbole. Who's to say another wouldn't have jumped ship? Putting it 6-5 made it more secure. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=27#538 tree.hugger: Now, that's not a reason, and furthermore, that's a lie. There's at least one other choice that's close, and several others getting votes. This vote is highly influential, but nobody really caught onto it at the time. But if youngminii is mafia, then that's a direct implication of subversion as well. Curious-er and curious-er. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=30#588 and of course, me: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that. Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=37#740 And so with these critisims on him, we moved onto day two where him and BrownBear topped out the votes early in the day. Both at about 5 a piece, the pressure was building on. Then it happened, Pandain starts a case against me and Prry starts a case against DTA. BTW, at this moment, I am not saying that they are both mafia scum. Pandain I don't really think is and is just townie and Prry I don't know yet. Either way, it's not the cases that I'm suspicious about, it's the very very quick voting afterwards. I immediately get 2 votes off youngminii and SouthRawrea. Right after Prry's statement, DTA gets THREE votes in about half an hour, from XeLin, zeks, and Subversion. This whole thing moved the voting off two people into three and finally, at the end of that day, DTA got killed. If you've read my post about voting patterns, you'll see that near the end of that voting process Subversion was "safe", his votes actually FELL off him in hot butter and in the end he was no where close to danger, being at 6 and then jumping up to 8. You can say, but chaoser, what about you? you were also safe! And I will say, yes, I didn't die, but I wasn't safe. I was on top of that vote list back and forth with DTA and due to votelists from everyone that confused me to no end, I actually thought I was dead by end of day. Subversion, on the other hand, was on the top for a only 7 MINUTES before falling down down down. now, from all this, you can't 100% say Subversion is mafia and some people have said it's coincidence. But things start to be less of a coincidence and more of a trend once it happens more than once don't you think? Also, notice that now youngminii and Subversion are TIED to each other. Sub saved youngminii's ass Day 1, youngminii pushed VERY hard for me to die and that saved Subversion Day 2. At the very least, these incidents over the last two days ties them very very much together. The next part is about the two things he's said that sound OFF | ||
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At the beginning of Day 2, Subversion makes an observation which tree.hugger picks up almost immediately: On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. People later come to his defense saying's it's bad townie play. Is it though? Or is it bad mafia play? Either way, it's the main reason he gets voted on that day. Now, after the day ended, I started to play him less of mine until he pulls out another statement: On July 23 2010 12:51 Subversion wrote: so excited to see who died. even tho i really think it might be me, lolz. Let me ask you, Who? would be excited about people dying? He didn't say he's interested or that he's waiting for it or that he wants to see what happens in the Night, no he's EXCITED about seeing who dies. I point this out with: chaoser United States. July 23 2010 12:58. Posts 765 PM Profile Quote Edit # On July 23 2010 12:51 Subversion wrote: so excited to see who died. even tho i really think it might be me, lolz. what a scummy thing to say... and I get jumped on by youngminii and Pandain. Saying something scummy one time, OK, I can buy that you're just newbie and did it. But when you do it twice, I'mma take notice. Am I the only one who thinks what he says the second time is scummy? I was interested in the Night Post too cause that's more information, but I don't think I'd ever phrase my interest as "I'm excited to see who died" | ||
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When he first hinted blue, my suspicions fell off him. And then he soft claimed it and now apparently he's hard claimed in. Now I ask, if mafia had a CONFIRMED blue, why didn't they hit him? His claim of blue brought him back from the edges of being lynched but apparently it wasn't enough for mafia to try to kill him. Did they expect medic proc or that he's a vet? Why not test it out? He claimed blue, that's very important in general but somehow it's now lost under the rug. Usually when people claim blue and don't die that first night, something fishy is going on. We should investigate that fishiness. I've now made the majority of my case. At this time, I'm going to ask what other people think about what I've written. Once we come to a decently unanimous decision, we can all vote together. | ||
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On July 23 2010 22:50 citi.zen wrote: This is actually pretty cool. Both d3 and BC claimed veteran. Nobody else came forward. No reason not to trust them if no counter claim comes by the end of the day. Then we also confirm the Vigi. There are two DTs alive who performed 2 checks each - so possibly 4 more confirmed townies for a total of 7 confirmed townies. Not bad! I don't think they claimed vet. didn't BC say he got medic saved? | ||
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On July 24 2010 01:55 Protactinium wrote: There's nothing to gain from this for the Mafia except for confusion. As it's already been said, at most one of them can be Godfather. It's a huge risk right there to assume neither of them have been checked in the four checks total. Even if that goes through, what do they gain? They don't cast suspicion on anybody in the town. Even so, as already pointed out lynching the one who claims Vigilante does not tell us anything about the person claiming to have taken the shot. I don't see a plausible reason why Mafia would do this, since even if both are not lynched today, there's nothing they can do about Detective checks in the night, and at that point the Suicide Bomber would have to kill one of his Mafia buddies for the "two-fer." Ah, I just thought about how the suicide bomber plays into all of this. Will think about it because it can potentially change the "why" and "what has to be done", but guests have arrived. Toodles for the day. Even if this is all some complex plot to get a lot of blues on one person, the suicide bomber still has to decide on whether 1) there ARE that many blues on the teammate he's going to blow and 2) which of his teammates to blow up. It's a stupid idea for mafia to double-lie for both BC and Tricode cause when one falls, the other will too. The only way I can see this somehow working out in mafia's slight favor is if BC is mafia (godfather even), he got hit by Tricode and protected by someone else but the chances of that are so low and can be checked via a DT visit. | ||
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On July 24 2010 02:11 rastaban wrote: I like the idea, but just wanted to point out a couple caveats. 1. He isn't 100% confirmed it is risky. As of yet there is no evidence at all that the hit ever happened beyond both there words. While it is unlikely is it worth exposing both DTs to this possibility? 2. What if he gets a mafia claim? if the mafia claim fast then if 1 of the DTs isn't active he may go ahead and exchange the names. Even if all three go through would he then share them all, tell us who the three were? If the hit didn't even happen then we can assume both are mafia and that in general is a bad play by mafia, two public figures lying about roles. Either BC is mafia and lying or both are telling the truth. I think those are the only two real possibilities...right? | ||
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On July 24 2010 02:41 rastaban wrote: Sorry that first line should have been: it is not nearly as risky a mafia play as you are making it to be as there are other possibilities. Ok yeah, I didn't think about the IT, I knew I forgot something. | ||
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On July 24 2010 03:57 rastaban wrote: BM, I was wondering if you could clarify the majority part? The OP lists "48 hour days, 24 hour nights", I didn't see anything about majority and since it can be anti-town it would be nice to have the extra time. Thanks, I think he means there are 25 players left so 13 more need to vote double lynch to get it passed? I don't understand the ending day part...does passing double lynch mean the day ends? | ||
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It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed. I just realized, if they both really were mafia, wouldn't Tricode WANT to claim he hit Jayme or Roffles? That leads us to the assumption that BC got hit by mafia-->he is to be trusted. In this way, they can both lie and get away with it and gain an advantage? | ||
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On July 24 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote: if someone hits majority they're dead and the day ends and goes to twilight if it ends in an hour, will twilight last 47? no. If it ends in 1 hour, will twilight last 1 minute? no. I would definitely give a reasonable amount of time as to not make it unfair for the town, but what you're asking me to do is essentially "baby" people who don't know not to reach majority before they've discussed shit. Sorry, I don't understand, what does "hit majority" mean? | ||
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On July 24 2010 04:59 SiNiquity wrote: If Tricode claimed to hit Jayme or Roffles, then we'd first have to verify Tricode before BC could be verified. If Tricode really is Mafia, then claiming to hit BC is smart because we gain nothing by lynch-verifying him under the pretense that he's not Mafia. In short, claiming to not hit BC but rather Roffles or Jayme gives us an incentive to lynch him, because we gain something from his death (BC's innocence). mm, ok this is true too. damn this is getting complicated...either way, i think two mafia both lying is sub-optimal play from mafia and 1 lying mafia is just bad play. This doesn't mean they're 100% confirmed but I think at least they get a little bit of trust | ||
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On July 25 2010 00:44 citi.zen wrote: BC is plainly not making sense. He is red. Stop trying to distract. BC is not saying that you're scum or suspicious citi.zen -_-, I just think he's advocating that we be 100% certain and plan this all out, look at it from all angles before we commit. Right after you posted your blue-claim, tons of people were straight up going "lawl, we win, gg, mafia is screwed." A lot of people were pushing for your plan. But look back 3 pages before you. The town spent a good two/three pages discussing the BC/Tricode situation. It was all logical and no one jumped at each other's throats. Even when people made mistakes in logic, other's just pointed it out and it was corrected. It wasn't misrepresented in any way, and everyone basically worked together to figure it all out. Diagrams were drawn (tooting my own horn), logical explanations and counter explanations were made and in the end we got a very good idea of what happened. Now, after your claim, town's gone to mayhem. I think BC is suggesting a calm look at the situation ala his situation and for everyone to slow down a notch. ##Vote: southrawrea | ||
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On July 25 2010 02:12 Subversion wrote: chaoser why do all your posts look like quotes? just to avoid modkill threats, ill do this for now. ##vote: abstain Really? Post some for me please. I'm sure I can find more posts by me that aren't "quotes". | ||
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On July 25 2010 04:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well the excrement has hit the air conditioning. I need to think about this. I'm actually not sure if the correct play is to lynch South here. If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility. | ||
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On July 25 2010 05:24 SouthRawrea wrote: Look..I've been busy for the past few days anyways. Do you want me to go take a picture of everything that I've been doing in the backyard in the pouring rain? Just one yes is all I need. This is my first time ever playing a forum mafia game and I'm not used to this way of posting extremely long posts and having every single word scrutinized. The few times I've played the game people would say their reports, and chat in a chatbox. Not to mention this is filled with much more text. I've never even encountered the Mad Hatter role. If you look at the game EpicMafia, although they have like 50 roles, they don't have a single one that I know of that resembles the one in this game. I figured that it was a town-favoured role that was only supposed to be used later in the game when you had a higher chance of hitting the mafia with your bombs. Hence why I only placed one on the person I was most suspicious of at the time. What we could be doing here is giving citi.zen all the info he needs if he is mafia to win the game for that side. DT claims especially. We're not saying he's 100% confirmed and that everyone, blue included, should run to him roleclaiming, we're saying you gotta die. I'm fine with dying with you and if you really were town, you wouldn't mind dying. Both of you claimed bomber. There can only be 1 bomber since Tricode said he was vigi. Unless he's lying and both of you are bombers but that means BC is lying too about being hit. Someone HAS to die, either you or citi.zen cause you both claimed. We can get lots of information depending on how you flip. I'd rather you die cause if you ARE red, there's lots of info that would come out of it. If you aren't info still comes out but the better thing is that only TWO people will die, me and you. Citi.zen said he placed both his bombs. That's 3 dead. Let's go to heaven together if you're townie baby. | ||
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On July 25 2010 05:46 youngminii wrote: For the record, I'd just like to point out the following. This is assuming SouthRawr flips red. SouthRawr false claims. He is under heavy scrutiny and has barely participated in the game and the scum team knows his usefulness is running out. They make one last attempt to make use of him by agreeing for him to counter claim citi.zen. They also make him say that he placed a bomb no chaoser to try and 'remove' any suspicion on him. Chaoser now goes into a state of bussing as he tries to make the most of the situation. If SouthRawr gets lynched, chaoser will come out looking innocent, if he doesn't get lynched, chaoser's rep remains the same. Look at this play: By saying "I'm willing to die with you to confirm citi.zen's bomber claim" he can look 'innocent'. He KNOWS that citi.zen's claim is real and so he puts on this charade to make the most of this situation. This is all assuming SouthRawr is red. What else can we learn from this? I'm only focusing on chaoser's posts in regard to SouthRawr's claim, there's heaps more information that can be analysed. Also, this tells us that the mafia team isn't very organised. A truly organised (pro) mafia team wouldn't do this type of play. It sticks out like a sore thumb and has lots of risks involved. Assuming SouthRawr flips red we can safely assume that there may only be one or no 'pro' players in the mafia team. So I implore you, vote SouthRawr as it will give us the most information, more so than lynching citi.zen. I also implore you to double lynch as it will be the most beneficial after this shitstorm. ##Vote Double Lynch Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said people please trust me if he flips red. I never even bring it up, I'm merely saying that I'm fine with dying with him and he should be too because it helps town. | ||
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On July 25 2010 05:55 youngminii wrote: No, but this is what your play suggests. There is a difference between saying something explicitly and meaning something implicitly. I wasn't even thinking about my being innocent but sure, spin it however you want. If after he had died, I said, haa, look i'm innocent now right? then you'd have a case against me. Right now you're just pulling shit out of your ass. lots of <3 for you though. XOXO | ||
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On July 25 2010 06:00 SouthRawrea wrote: Ok just five minutes, need enough battery power on my camera and I'll PM you with it. can i see it too? | ||
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On July 25 2010 06:31 zeks wrote: 1. His claim is an effort to save himself and get our main man citi.zen killed in the process 2. SouthRawrea is obviously expendable 3. Town organization is becoming a LEGIT THREAT - we've forced the action on them so now they came up with an aggressive reply with South claiming. Scum probably wrote his posts up for him rofl Why would we suspect citi.zen and lynch him if the best they could do is a weak counter claim like we're getting now? Like I said previously: You know, I was thinking. The worst case scenario that could happen is SouthRawrea is Bomber, me and him die. Citi.zen is suicide bomber, has blues to hit, kills a bunch. I'm still ready to die with southrawrea, just saying... that's some heavy shit right there | ||
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On July 25 2010 06:50 Amber[LighT] wrote: lol wut? How on earth do you figure that? The past three days must have been hilarious for them to watch. We have more chickens with their heads cut off and we're trying to lynch them all. I'm trying to figure out the best possible way to go about this. Lynching citizen vs. SR seems to be a double-edged sword. One of them is the hatter, the other is a mafia. If we hit a mafia then we have gotten that much closer to winning, but what do we gain? A guaranteed hatter that we will need to baby for the rest of the game... I'm trying to think of the future here. If Citizen is the hatter then he is probably going to be a (juicy) suicide target. That means that his two bombs (He threw two right?) will go off. He hasn't said who he has them on, so we as a town can't tell him where they should move. If SR is the hatter then we only have to worry about moving one bomb to a "mafia." This actually (sorta) secures SR and the mafia players safety as it would require them to use a night kill or suicide bomb, which there is less incentive imo. Assuming SR is legit I'll support him. There's less risk in keeping him alive, assuming citi.zen laid two bombs, and assuming he's the hatter. And if the person we lynch is the hatter the next person is on the stands tomorrow anyway. vote: citi.zen vote: double lynch It won't matter if the next person is on the stands if one of them is suicide bomber, they'd just blow up tonight and laugh at us. | ||
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On July 25 2010 06:52 Pandain wrote: @Bolded section. How would that work? Day 2 there were 3 hits. If they are both red, they made up the hit | ||
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On July 23 2010 16:17 Bill Murray wrote: Vote Count: Abstain: Double Lynch: Starting from here since people voted before he posted Night post, and I didn't know if he counted them or not. + Show Spoiler + Protactinium abstains at 16:38 ~OpZ~ abstains at 20:00 zeks abstains at 20:13 rastaban abstains at 23:11 Amber abstains at 2:12 Abstains for earlier bumatlarge votes southrawrea at 3:00 youngminii votes chaoser at 7:24 Tricode abstains at 11:04 d3_crescentia abstains at 12:27 bumatlarge unvotes southrawrea, votes tree.hugger at 12:29 tree.hugger votes Xelin at 12:33 d3_crescentia votes ~opz~ at 12:36 zeks votes Xelin at 12:40 LaXerCannon votes protractium at 12:54 BC votes Southrawrea at 13:37 citi.zen votes BC at 14:45 Tricode votes youngminii at 15:42 BB votes Southrawrea at 15:43 Tricode unvotes youngminii, votes Southrawrea at 15:55 Divinek votes Southrawrea at 15:59 lakrismamma votes abstain at 20:19 lakrismamma votes BC at 22:28 Xelin votes Southrawrea at 22:52 chaoser votes Southrawrea at 00:41 Subversion abstains at 2:12 bumatlarge unvotes tree.hugger, votes BC at 3:44 SouthRawrea votes Citizen at 3:52 at this point the votes look like this 6] SouthRawrea (BloodyC0bbler, BrownBear, Tricode, Divinek, Lakrismamma, Chaoser) 2] XeliN (tree.hugger, zeks) 1] ~OpZ~ (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder) 1] zeks (pandain) 1] chaoser (youngminii) 1] Protactinium (LaXerCannon) 1] BloodyC0bbler (citi.zen, bumatlarge) 1] youngminii (tricode) 1] citi.zen (SouthRawrea) citi.zen unvotes BC, votes SouthRawrea at 4:09 bumatlarge unvotes BC, votes Southrawrea at 4:16 youngminii unvote chaoser, votes Southrawrea at 5:31 tree.hugger unvotes Xelin, votes citizen at 5:34 zeks votes Southrawrea at 6:17 Siniquity votes citi.zen at 6:46 amber[light] for citi.zen at 6:50 BC, unvotes southrawrea, votes citi.zen at 6:56 Pandain unvotes zeks, votes Citi.zen at 7:02 LaKrismamma unvotes SouthRawrea, votes Southrawrea at 7:18 (sorry I bolded, this is just funny) Final vote numbers: 8] SouthRawrea (BrownBear, Tricode, Divinek, Lakrismamma, citi.zen, bumatlarge, youngminii, zeks) 6] citi.zen (SouthRawrea, tree.hugger, Siniquity, amber[light], BC, Pandain) 1] XeliN (zeks) 1] ~OpZ~ (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder) 1] Protactinium (LaXerCannon) 1] youngminii (tricode) ##unvote ##abstain for now | ||
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On July 25 2010 06:20 chaoser wrote: You know, I was thinking. The worst case scenario that could happen is SouthRawrea is Bomber, me and him die. Citi.zen is suicide bomber, has blues to hit, kills a bunch. I'm still ready to die with southrawrea, just saying... I would just like to quote this again for people who are like, if south flips MH, we can just kill citi.zen the next day. If he's suicide bomber, it doesn't matter | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:44 youngminii wrote: Yes, I do believe chaoser is red. Yes, this is a great opportunity to get two scum kills. However I have logical reasoning. Your reasoning is flawed at best and you're continually circumventing my arguments and somehow getting away with it. I don't care if you're red or green or blue at the moment, all I know is that we have a golden opportunity at lynching two reds right now and you're standing in the way. How do we get two red kills if SR is lynched? He's green, I'm "red" as you say, I die, 1 red dead. He's red, I don't die, 1 red dead. | ||
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6] citi.zen (SouthRawrea, tree.hugger, Siniquity, amber[light], BC, Pandain) 1] ~OpZ~ (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder) 1] Protactinium (LaXerCannon) 1] youngminii (tricode) | ||
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8] citi.zen (SouthRawrea, tree.hugger, Siniquity, amber[light], BC, Pandain, Chaoser, Pyrr) 1] ~OpZ~ (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder) 1] Protactinium (LaXerCannon) 1] youngminii (tricode) | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:57 bumatlarge wrote: I still find it extremely silly for citizen to be red as he wouldnt benefit much from just killing a KP role and he would die eventually. It's not silly if he is Suicide Bomber and in the rush of his claim, blues claimed to him. Then when the real one comes forward, hopefully the real one gets lynched, bombs go off, lots of people die. Now he gets to laugh and blow himself up with a few blues. | ||
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7] citi.zen (SouthRawrea, tree.hugger, amber[light], BC, Pandain, Chaoser, Pyrr) 1] ~OpZ~ (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder) 1] Protactinium (LaXerCannon) 1] youngminii (tricode) | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:12 rastaban wrote: Guys I have been staying quiet but I can’t anymore. I was hoping citi.zen would prove his claim but he hasn’t and I am worried about what his plan is. He has already gotten the DT claims. Before the real and asked for us to reveal the DTs. I haven’t heard from him since the counter claim. From Citi.zen: + Show Spoiler + A third DT claim did show up. Which is good - more people are giving themselves up. I will need the name of your Dt when you are satisfied there is no counter claim against me. My DT can then check one of the two and find the real one as well as the red. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Wow, I did't expect that much to go down last night. I think you might have just given us the break town needed to turn this around. I believe at this point if someone was going to claim they would have. The DT felt the same way so I was asked to go ahead and move forward with contacting you. Let me know what we should do next. Thanks, He hasn't mentioned this in the thread, I hate putting myself out there, but if he is playing us I am sure another mouth can confirm. quoting to get this to top of page | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote: I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as: rastaban has a DT citi.zen has a DT youngminii has a DT Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF? It means mafia's fucking up | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote: He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC. If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:37 BrownBear wrote: It's roughly a 1 in 5 chance that this is true. Your math sucks. He's not going to be placing bomb randomly -_- citi.zen is a smart player, if he's MH then he's probably at least got 1 on a mafia | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Dude his head is on the chopping block. Information like that could have potentially saved him instantly. HE doesn't need to give up your names to town, just claim that he got multiple claims that can be investigated. Its less scummy to be honest with it when your in a position to die than holding it back. Exactly this, he would have been open about it, there's no reason for him not to be. It would have moved the discussion off him and we would have to lynch South so we could get more information. Instead he kept it in. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:23 Bill Murray wrote: The day will go back on normal schedule, and will end at 9pm in like 43 hours and 37 minutes | ||
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9] SouthRawrea (BrownBear, Tricode, Divinek, Lakrismamma, citi.zen, bumatlarge, youngminii, zeks,Siniquity) 1] ~OpZ~ (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder) 1] Protactinium (LaXerCannon) 1] youngminii (tricode) | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:33 citi.zen wrote: The townies who voted with the mafia need to stop playing this game. Forever. This is as clear cut as it gets: BC, Inf, Chaos, Tree.hugger, South are red. Perhaps after you lynch me you will... I don't know... go after one of them. You have a double lynch to use. By the way: to avoid this dumb town situation, the mad hatter is actually the SECOND player my DT checked, not myself. I claimed in his place to keep them safe for one more night. Now they have all they need to accurately place their bombs. I am plain vanilla town, as you are about to find out when I flip. Remember: BC, Inf, Chaos, Tree.hugger, South. Plus whoever fake claimed. Some last minute vote plead? Thought you were going out with your family? I'm prepared to die either way. If South was green, I'd be dead. If you're green, I'll be suspected. I put my chips down a long time ago. | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: hey if citizen flips green i fully admit my incompetence me too | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote: he fucks them up every single fucking time. he didn't even have xelin down as voting. I wasn't trying to get exact ones for the last few, I was jsut trying to keep track of the South/Citi votes | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:13 Pandain wrote: Actually wait wtf lol. I was NEVER working with citizen. Hahaha. where did I say that? wut.... | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:15 zeks wrote: Anyone interested in the Pandain - citi.zen PMs? actually I would. I'm so confused | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The die is cast. #vote Double Lynch vote citi.zen He indeed did vote for double lynch | ||
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On July 26 2010 02:16 zeks wrote: chaoser seems to be a good check tonight don't tell people that -_-, what if SB blows me up?? | ||
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On July 26 2010 07:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Kk don't wanna get killed so BloodyCobbler is actually the Mad Hatter claimee. He PMed me on day 2 (if I can count) telling me that he placed a bomb on me. He then explained that he PMed me because if I were mafia I wouldn't be able to kill him without getting killed. I trusted him because of this reasoning. I initially counter-claimed late when he msged me but yeah.. people started voting me even more so I tried to get Citi.zen lynched. This way I would know if Cobbler was telling the truth. Last night's green claim completely threw me off because Citi.zen was in my position except with a DT. I'm so fucked in the head right now .. sorry if I completely ruined the game. It must be the dynamics of a game so big or just the fact that I'm so damn stupid. Not sure if I screwed up in any other way while I was inactive.. :/ putting in on this page btw. just...wtf | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Only one phrase really sums up citizens post Lynch all Liars yet he knew you to be lying. Or he pushed for you to lie. From the same logic he gave, you and him both die. | ||
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On July 02 2010 07:13 Bill Murray wrote: [/u]I may or may not have used EVERY role watch there actually be no mafia and we're just being trolled hard by BM | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:22 chaoser wrote: ##Vote SouthRawrea ##vote double lynch if mafia is pulling my chain... ##vote BloodyC0bbler add that, are we sure about this? like 100%? | ||
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On July 27 2010 05:54 BrownBear wrote: They's done. Bill, please for the love of god stop letting people edit posts. who edited? | ||
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On July 27 2010 10:00 XeliN wrote: Thanks for the PM bill, sorry my involvement is lacking this game. I ##vote SouthRawrea and Abstain for #2 Also ##Vote DoubleLynch I'm not convinced on Bloody from what I've managed to read and I think it's a mistake lynching him so i'll go on principle. he responded already | ||
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On July 28 2010 19:34 Pandain wrote: I am the Infested Terran. Next one to talk dies. + Show Spoiler + XD But what about our friendship alliance ;_; | ||
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why did sub only want to check them and not you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: We were going to do test on both each day. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: why didn't you get amber in... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yeah sub made a direct claim to proct for w/e reason. = Than proctat told me. We were going to let youngmini in if he passed the test but then he revealed our plan ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you said that down below. Your DT checked amber...when did it become procat? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Nope. He checked youngmini and Amber. Both were green. Youngmini was suscipious though so we decided to lay out the test. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: did your DT check me? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: amber wasn't in the group. Procatorium or w/e was. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well fuck me, i'mma go read over the rest of his posts, is it just you and amber now? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yes -.- ----------------------------------------- Original Message: was he your dt? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Subversion was dead. | ||
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On July 29 2010 04:42 zeks wrote: I am also intrigued to know who rastaban's DT was Did Subversion tell rastaban too? Or was there something I missed I think he mentioned that BC was his DT | ||
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On July 29 2010 09:43 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: If/when Pandain flips mafia it pretty much clears chaoser. Wait, why does it clear me? | ||
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2) Pandain ;_; you got DT checked red, let it die man. You're going to get lynched regardless, try to help town find second lynch. 3) youngminii moved his vote off me ;_; I was going to make him post a video of him dancing to some song when I flipped green | ||
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sorry buddy, you got checked red. You know I'd want you to vote me if I got checked red too. | ||
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1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii (sub said was green) 5. chaoser 6. divinek 11. rastaban (said BC claimed DT to him) 13. Amber[LighT] (sub said was green?) 15. pandain (Flipped Red) 16. ~OpZ~ 23. d3_crescentia (Got medic protected?) 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (Vigi, said he hit BC) 29. protactinium What else is there? that's the condensed list. | ||
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See my thread posts for my irritable summation. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: dude...wtf happened tonight? did your circle get misinformation or something? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't think we can muster the votes to get them today. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: do you have any info that I could use to help back up my little case a couple pages back or are you guys still not ready to move yet? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yes. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: are you still decently sure about subversion/youngminii? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: It confuses the hell out of me. I have about three explanations for it, and neither of them are particularly useful or likely. I mean, I know the mafia is trying to snipe blues, but they clearly suck at it, and the fact that nobody in the thread who was influential in any way was killed makes me suspicious. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well, you didn't die lol that's a good thing...right? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: He's an idiot. Doubt he's mafia, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't block out what he says. Listen at your peril. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: final message, what are you thoughts on pandain? is he trustable? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: luck has little to do with it. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: best of luck ----------------------------------------- Original Message: <--tree.hugger Haha, I'm probably dying tonight. I've come to terms with that and made appropriate arrangements. I don't thing Pandian's pm release will change anything. | ||
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On July 31 2010 01:58 BrownBear wrote: Divinek, I don't think we're going to get anywhere by arguing, so I'm just gonna say we agree to disagree. Your style of play says that if someone checks red they get lynched no matter what. It's a black and white style of play, and it is legitimate. My style of play says that it's more shades of grey, especially if Millers are in the game. I decided that since Pandain and I had been sharing PMs and talking about things since about Day 2, and I had gotten a very pro-town read off of him, I would trust my instincts and trust that he was miller #2. Obviously, you think my style of play is stupid, and I think your style of play is narrow-minded. Arguing about it isn't going to get anywhere. Let's just agree that we lynched Pandain, he flipped miller, and now we're moving on. Before I take my vote off of you, though, please quote your post where you claimed vet. I still didn't see it reading through the last 5 or so pages, and I'm too lazy to read further back  It's not stupid, but it's a very dangerous type of play. You can have people like BC or such who can play pro-town ish and make great arguments and in the end sway people's votes away from him even if he is mafia. It's happened several times before in other games where someone will be flipped red, claim miller/insane DT and argue people away from lynching them when they were mafia. People can play anti-town/make bad calls and still be town but appear as mafia. People can play pro-town and still be mafia and appear as town. If you start playing the grey, it gets very very hard to tell if it's a town grey or a mafia grey. The best way, and most heavyhanded way, is to kill anyone who flips red. | ||
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On July 31 2010 12:09 Divinek wrote: yeah wtf chaoser abstained from the second lynch vote or his name is somehow invisible to me in that list bm posted die die die I voted pan and tree. Kill me if you like, I'll only flip green and then youngminii has to do the run devil run dance for TL mafia =] | ||
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5. chaoser 6. divinek 11. rastaban (said BC claimed DT to him) 16. ~OpZ~ 23. d3_crescentia (Got medic protected?) 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (Vigi, said he hit BC) 29. protactinium | ||
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On August 03 2010 06:06 Protactinium wrote: To be honest, going back and reading things over I'm more amazed now that Chaoser hasn't died since he's had all that suspicion on him. I'm terrible at vote analysis, but it does seem that he was saved. Still though, it's now been 27 hours since he promised to post something. If he doesn't post something substantial soon, I'm going to switch my vote to him. I almost died day two and afterwards wayyy too much shit came up with everyone counterclaiming and saying they got hit and whatnot. Even if I was saved, I don't think mafia would stir (that word took me 1 minute to remember how to spell x_x) up some crazy plan that put both GF and a regular mafia in touble/killed just to save me. | ||
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On August 03 2010 06:19 Protactinium wrote: One thing I want to bring up: Click here. In case we've all forgotten, the scene where SouthRawrea claimed he was the Mad Hatter and had a single bomb... on Chaoser. Chaoser said he was all too willing to die to prove his innocence, but we know that SouthRawrea was, in fact, not the bomber, so Chaoser was never really in any danger, and would definitely have looked much better once SouthRawrea flipped red... I actually don't know how to respond to this. It's a conceivable plan to make me out to be more innocent after he flipped red if I was actually red but at that point I think I was just getting sick of youngminii getting on my back and I wanted to die so youngminii would lose the bet or something. Actually, I think I made that bet later. I think at the time I was willing to die with south cause he was counterclaiming citizen and it was just so out of the blue and his post when he first claimed was really scummy to me. so 1) If he was scum, I was still safe 2) If he wasn't I get to die and get youngminii off my back But then he claimed newbie and after a while tree.hugger was like I'm convinced and I started having doubts and since I've been in contact with him for a while and thought he was in a circle. When BC or whoever started to say that we get more info out of killing citizen, the argument made some sense to me and since earlier BC had claimed he got hit and saved, I was thinking the only way mafia could get a HUGE advantage off this is if BC was GF and there's no fucking way he'd be that lucky to get hit and saved AND be GF at the same time I trusted him. Turns out I was wrong. At this point I think I switched to citizen. I'm really not the type of player to get involved in super complex plans where I would do things to gain "innocence" for the town and then somehow take a leading role or even just hid. If you've seen my old games, most of the time I'm in the background either PMing people just asking for their opinions on people cause I feel like that's a decent way to get info and also trying to figure situations out so that it's not confusing to me or town. The one time I was mafia I think it was with pyrr and chenizu and I played martyr like crazy and when I went down in the end town was so confused they ended up losing. Pyrr on the other hand played a crazy good infil and basically had a list of all the blues by day 3 or 4 and we pretty much just picked them off at will. | ||
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I abstained day one cause I really didn't know who to vote, At first I didn't think BB was all that scummy and Foolishness wasn't scummy to me either. I ended up not voting just cause I didn't believe in my vote. If i felt like if I had voted for someone and then later I was asked why I voted I wouldn't be able to give a decent response to why except for that I wanted to vote someone instead of remaining abstaining and so i did. DTA: I voted him cause at the time it was either him or me that was going to die. I didn't think anyone of us was mafia near the end but it was too late to get people to switch off both of us and the day just ended with my vote on him. If you go over all the votes that day, you'll notice that votes changed about 3-4 times each i think for a lot of people. There was a clusterfuck that day. citizen: I bought BC's argument that there was more info to gain from citizen dying than south dying. plus citizen's late claim that he wasn't really MH when he said he was was a lie and that didn't sit too well with me. Plus south made decent claims that he was a newbie and I tusted treehugger's decision at that point I voted for both pan and tree at this point: Pan flipped red, easy vote. Tree I started to suspect just because 1) i felt like he was making less posts and 2) he was so sure, like 100% sure from the look of PMs, of youngminii and Sub but both of them were green/blue. I figured that the only way he would be so sure was if he had a DT in his group but all the DTs were accounted for so it just seemed really off. From: Amber[LighT] [ 3535 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/29/10 23:28 On July 29 2010 23:26 chaoser wrote: From my PMs with tree.hugger early in the game, he led me to believe that he was in some sort of circle and that he was 100% sure that Sub and Young were mafia. Care to explain, tree? He told me the same exact thing. He was gunning for both of them and made it sound like he knew exactly what was going on. I'm all for lynching him today. ambe light's agreement sealed the deal for me so I voted him | ||
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After the blue roles were sniped the next target was Youngminii, who was the person trying the hardest to get Chaoser lynched the entire game. I propose that we lynch chaoser since he's pretty much next on my list. I know I was wrong about Infundibulum but we don't really have anyone better to lynch (unless you can come up with one), and chaoser was one of Zeks's leading suspects too. I actually didn't want youngminii to die cause we have a bet that if I flip red I'd have to do whatever he said and if I flipped green he would have to do whatever I said. I wanted him to lynch me and then I'd win bet. I feel like this is so wifom cause if i was mafia then I WOULDN'T kill him just to look more innocent? We later have Chaoser pushing strongly for Pandain, renewing suspicions. I feel bad for pandain flipping miller =[ we were in secret friendship alliance. And I didn't push strongly, I was pretty much saying what everyone else said, that he flipped red, he needed to be lynched just cause he flipped red. | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:55 Divinek wrote: er wait what am i talking about if they're both town it'd be 5v3 then 2 nk it's 3v3 blahh You forget there's still two vets, mafia getting happy too soon? | ||
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On August 03 2010 13:29 Pandain wrote: I would love you more, but I just felt so betrayed after you betrayed me like that. I had to do it! it was for the greater good! | ||
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Quoting this lol. I flipped green =]. Pandain! yayyyy we get to meet again in the afterlife!!! | ||
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