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No, he's just obviously intolerant of my sex change. | ||
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Actually if the gf is a girl, she is given the title Fairy Godmother and she's like a medic except I get double the prots per night. | ||
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On July 17 2010 14:49 SiNiquity wrote: haha wow, I just had this big long post analyzing how we lost 4 people and trying to figure out if the Sheriff was some special role that just wasn't mentioned and wondering whether Ver was really dead or. But then I realized... + Show Spoiler + The people killed on the first morning are not in the list of 30. Yeah it is traditional that the first day post involves the killing of the game host and other people not playing / helping run the game. | ||
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On July 17 2010 14:43 youngminii wrote: ^ That made me rofl. I just got my wisdom tooth taken out, I want my money bitch. ##Vote Pyrrhuloxia Why you vote for me? I won't give you money if you are trying to kill me  | ||
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On July 18 2010 01:29 rastaban wrote: He was a goon last game so I support this accusation! Once I am finished with the GF citi.zen BC is next. ( BM, I have a vote on citi.zen but I haven't been listed in any of the vote counts recently, just wanted to point that out. I will be casting a real vote later but just in case don't want to be modkilled. ) As for plans, the last game I was in was a custom cult setup so it was easier to try and think of ways to try and break the game. This game is closer to a standard setup so it seems like there is no perfect plan. That being said the simple plans that I could see would be to setup a pattern for DTs to investigate so there is no overlap. Something like start from your location and go down the list, if you find the other DT then start going up for your position so we get the most coverage. The down to this is that most likely the DTs would do better using their own scum judgment to hunt despite the possibility to overlap. There are other useful plans, but as I stated earlier a lot of plans hinge on the town having some open roles, and until the bomber is dead we really have no way of protecting claimants. We need to get him first and then a lot of different plans will be open to us. PMs are in this game, but I am unfamiliar with how they should be used. should I be messaging most people and trying feel them out, wait until I have a good feeling about their role and then contact them, or just wait for something like a DT to contact me. How should we be working the PMs? I like your "down the list" idea | ||
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IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). | ||
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On July 18 2010 16:07 Bill Murray wrote: good idea, spoil that shit, bro! You might wanna put a spoiler description. Please do. Otherwise people might think it is something important to the game that you just compacted to have it not take up a ton of space. | ||
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I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else. Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar. At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move. Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. ##unvote ##vote DarthTheinAn | ||
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On July 20 2010 07:44 Foolishness wrote: So if I'm understanding this, youngminii was ahead in the votes, then BrownBear and bumatlarge voted for Hyperbola, which pushed Hyperbola ahead in the voting (and he stayed ahead until day end). So it's possible there was a push to save youngminii from being lynched. Of course please correct me if I'm mistaken. The people above me who are doing the vote tally are very very very unorganized with their posts. From looking at the post after this one, I think Hyperbola had 5 to youngminii's 4, and then brownbear and bumatlarge made it 7-4. | ||
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On July 20 2010 07:15 LaXerCannon wrote: Resources (fixed) + Show Spoiler + Jayme -> Amber[light] Pandain -> abstain DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia d3_crescentia -> DTA DTA -> Unabstain citi.zen -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia Pandain -> Incognito SouthRawrea -> Abstain ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain bumatlarge -> Divinek Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity LaXercannon -> Abstain Youngminii -> Abstain Divinek -> Abstain Tricode -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola Roffles -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXercannon Foolishness -> Abstain lakrismamma -> LaXercannon lakrismamma -> Subversion BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain ~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA XeliN -> Brownbear iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM citi.zen -> ketomai XeliN -> youngminii chaoser -> abstain Amber[LighT] -> abstain treehugger -> DTA Amber[LighT] -> youngminii Roffles -> youngminii lakrismamma -> ketomai DTA -> Amber[LighT] bumatlarge -> Hyperbola BrownBear -> Hyperbola Jayme -> Youngminii Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler Misder -> LaXerCannon zeks -> abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain -> Pandain bumatlarge -> Divinek -> Hyperbola* BrownBear -> Hyperbola* Chaoser -> Abstain citi.zen -> ketomai d3_crescentia -> DTA Divinek -> Abstain -> Hyperbola* DTA -> Abstain -> Amber[LighT] Foolishness -> Abstain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii Jayme -> Amber[Light] -> youngminii lakrismamma -> LaXerCannon -> Subversion -> ketomai LaXercannon -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser -> BloodyC0bbler Pandain -> Abstain -> Incognito (?) -> BloodyC0bbler -> Hyperbola* Protactinium -> Abstain Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen Roffles -> Abstain SiNiquity -> Hyperbola* SouthRawrea -> Abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola Tricode -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXerCannon XeliN -> Brownbear -> youngminii youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia -> abstain -> iNfuNdiBuLuM zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain What interests me is this block of voting: Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola and these people: Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain My head hurts so I'll just give a couple one liners for now (I've been digging through this damned thread for like an eternity) The Hyperbola bandwagon Misder @ 10:43 Divinek @ 10:51 Pandain @ 10:56 zeks @ 11:22 SiNiquity @ 11:37 Within an hour, Hyperbola gets bandwagonned and is in first place: @ 11:37 (after roffles' vote) Definitely suspicious considering how fast and compact the votes were together Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain Misder -> starts bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed zeks -> fourth voter for bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed attempts at lowering suspicion? When this supposed bandwagon started, I believe no one had more than one vote. I can't see more than one or two reds organizing a vote against youngminii in this situation. Reds bandwagon to save their own and no one was in mortal danger. Even if they thought youngminii was blue (I didn't see any reason to think that), they could kill him at night. Herd mentality isn't suspicious, it's par for the course. | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:04 SouthRawrea wrote: Talking at night is stupid D:. It takes away from what the game is supposed to be. I've never played a game without it... Don't see any reason things have to be like the parlor game so much. | ||
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Oh, also I suppose the mafia might have really really wanted Foolishness dead and put two hits on him. Or only sent in one hit but I don't think any team would ever agree to that unless it was led by the dark triumvirate of oczec darth and chezinu. And even then darth already admitted he wants as much blood to spill as possible. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: oh and d3 beats me to the punch because i don't refresh. derp of course maybe he's actually someone that was saved by a medic and he's fooling! or maybe he's red or bored townie and effing with us but yeah | ||
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Other vet shouldn't claim: chance is not 2/23 because it repeats and gets more likely as the vet survives. Wasting mafia hits is how we survive longer; it's how we win. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Not BrownBear | ||
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On July 20 2010 18:32 Bill Murray wrote: LOL SKYHIGH LOL more spoilers for playoffs in the mafia thread | ||
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On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote: Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote: You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote: I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote: You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote: The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything. The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover. It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good. Let's not let this get lost in the shuffle. Red or confused green, I don't think BrownBear is much of a threat right now. From what I gather, DarthTheinAn is usually a pretty high profile player (won mayor two games ago). This game he is playing obstinate/quiet. When DTA was red mayor two games ago, "Darth was also an excellent mafia player, managing to sweep his way into office on day 1, but he did overstep his boundaries just a little bit on the last day, and his position as mayor actually worked against him as he was under intense scrutiny, which led to his downfall." Source for that is BrownBear, btw, so... take that into account however you will. But it seems to me if DTA was red this game he'd be trying to take a lower profile this time around. Some of this is [url=http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balancing-multiplayer-games-part-4-intuition.html]intuition, which I usually don't rely on, but BrownBear strikes me as town and reminds me of RedTooth in a game where I got him killed for similar behavior (I was red that game  ). Meanwhile, DTA is clearly taking a low profile. From a player that is usually talkative, this usually means blue / red. I laid that on DTA day 1 and on Foolishness as well. Foolishness did make a bigger post towards the end of the day, but still seemed blue/red to me, and I imagine this was part of the hit reasoning (plus Foolishness is a good veteran player [whose first game was ran by me :D]).Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that. I think Foolishness is right on that DTA would have been an obvious blue-snipe target. I'm not sure why D3crescentia might have been hit; he didn't stick out to me. I'm not familiar with him, though I've been out of the loop for a while and BC called him a top player. Finally, the Chezinu-style (constant trolling) play always strikes me as red. Maybe it's because I've been on multiple red teams with Chez, but, if you're trying to help the town, it usually pays to actually do so. ##Vote DarthTheinAn Also, the case against Subversion seems really good to me, too. I'm voting DTA first because DTA already has votes against him and DTA would seem to be the better brain to pluck from the Mafia Think Tank if they are indeed both red. | ||
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@Infundibulum: You said "DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness." I got the opposite vibe from that, I'd just like to hear some more detail on why you felt that way. | ||
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4] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, Jayme) 4] Brownbear (Divinek, amber, tricode. OPZ) 3] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia) 2] chaoser (pandain, youngminii) 2] abstain] (brownbear, chaoser) | ||
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On July 21 2010 09:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Guys, these players haven't posted since Day 2 began: 7. xelin 10. lakrismamma 14. SouthRawrea 30. roffles Xelin and lakrismamma are still AWOL. Care to say anything, either of you? | ||
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My Ph.D. Dissertation on DarthTheinAn by Pyrrhuloxia The Story Thus Far Day 1 Accusation + Show Spoiler + My thoughts: hyperbola is prolly just a quick trigger townie; I'd think a mafia would be too skittish to CONTINUE with it, especially when voting is so thin at this point. Mafia wouldn't have to be desperate as of now. Townie or red, hyperbola is obviously desperate now, with so many votes against him. But the desperation started and caused the bandwagon (according to Pandain). When the hyperbola bandwagon started, voting was evened out so there wouldn't be a need for mafia to bandwagon on someone. Mafia don't really tend to bandwagon anyone day one, at least they don't start the first bandwagon. They might start a second bandwagon to save someone's ass. Doesn't really help prove anyone innocent but I think hyperbola's behavior could be townie and the voting against him could be townie too. In better words, neither action really stick out at me as suspicious but no one's exonerated. Maybe if a team of people desperately work to save him there could be something going on. I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else. Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar. At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move. Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. Day 1 "Refutation" by the accused, wherein he admits he should be lynched, except not, because. + Show Spoiler + In my experience, mafia rarely actually "bandwagon". One or two might hop in for the final vote to kill someone they don't like over the current top target, but usually, they just vote wherever they feel like, based on their posting and what they've said in the past. The hyperbola bandwagon is just plain stupid imo. Anyone who was "convinced" by Siniquity's argument against hyperbola is also plain stupid. He gave poor reasoning for a random vote, but that does not make him mafia. A lot of the times, mafia play more like Siniquity, pointing out "mistakes" that townies make, and calling them scummy. My post was to contrast YellowInk's silly no lynch suggestion. Why are we even considering that? We need information. The game is about getting information for the town ASAP so that we can lynch/KP accurately. Therefore, we lynch a someone who is not already going to be modkilled. Pandain, I was only half-joking about it. Lynch someone who has voted but is not helping the town out. Someone like me, but, preferably, not me. And you're right, I was playing like Chezinu ^_^. He has inspired me. I might be out for the rest of today. Before you lynch me, consider how many other people have not posted, but have voted. For instance, d3, who is currently voting for me, but has said as little as I have said. Also, don't PM Opz, PM me!! ^^. Day 2 Accusation + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote: Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote: You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote: I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote: You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote: The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything. The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover. It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good. Let's not let this get lost in the shuffle. Red or confused green, I don't think BrownBear is much of a threat right now. From what I gather, DarthTheinAn is usually a pretty high profile player (won mayor two games ago). This game he is playing obstinate/quiet. When DTA was red mayor two games ago, "Darth was also an excellent mafia player, managing to sweep his way into office on day 1, but he did overstep his boundaries just a little bit on the last day, and his position as mayor actually worked against him as he was under intense scrutiny, which led to his downfall." Source for that is BrownBear, btw, so... take that into account however you will. But it seems to me if DTA was red this game he'd be trying to take a lower profile this time around. Some of this is [url=http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balancing-multiplayer-games-part-4-intuition.html]intuition, which I usually don't rely on, but BrownBear strikes me as town and reminds me of RedTooth in a game where I got him killed for similar behavior (I was red that game ). Meanwhile, DTA is clearly taking a low profile. From a player that is usually talkative, this usually means blue / red. I laid that on DTA day 1 and on Foolishness as well. Foolishness did make a bigger post towards the end of the day, but still seemed blue/red to me, and I imagine this was part of the hit reasoning (plus Foolishness is a good veteran player [whose first game was ran by me :D]).Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that. I think Foolishness is right on that DTA would have been an obvious blue-snipe target. I'm not sure why D3crescentia might have been hit; he didn't stick out to me. I'm not familiar with him, though I've been out of the loop for a while and BC called him a top player. Finally, the Chezinu-style (constant trolling) play always strikes me as red. Maybe it's because I've been on multiple red teams with Chez, but, if you're trying to help the town, it usually pays to actually do so. ##Vote DarthTheinAn Also, the case against Subversion seems really good to me, too. I'm voting DTA first because DTA already has votes against him and DTA would seem to be the better brain to pluck from the Mafia Think Tank if they are indeed both red. ---------- Wine In Front Of Me: An Informative Chat With Infundibulum: On July 21 2010 09:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Good point Pandain, i didn't remember that a couple of them said they'd be gone. Still, we can't let people slip under like this. The voting was extremely close, actually. It was 5-5 when he voted for Hyper, though he says he thought it was 7-4, and to be fair this is possible since there were mistakes in the vote tally and they weren't counted often. It's Subversions reactions that make me think he might be town who screwed up and is now in over his head. Well if you look back around page 27 or so, DTA basically goes all out on Foolishness quoting all of his posts, asking "are you so innocent yourself?" And then Foolishness gets killed by the mafia at night. I know that this is a bit of wifom, but i find it hard to think that a red would put himself out like that starting a feud with someone he was targeting. As you say yourself, it is wifom. I know from empirical experience that a red can do that because I've done it myself to great effect. What is not wifom is that the mafia benefits from killing off someone who currently had their vote aimed at a mafia member. The mafia can get away with killing people like that because when confronted about it, they can kick up that exact cloud of wifom that you described. Here's another way to think about it: The Mafia are trying to hurt the town as fast as possible by killing the best players. While we aren't in a position to tell who is doing well in a particular game, the mafia are. Certainly, the mafia can make a gambit and try to "frame" people by killing their prominent accusers. But, that's called a gambit because it is suboptimal play. Killing someone against you automatically means one less vote against you tomorrow. It means a chance of spurring new voters, but in practice I doubt it counteracts the benefits. This might not be too far from wifom, but I like the odds better than BB or Sub. It certainly can't be relied upon since it can easily be abused, but mafias that let their biggest critics survive will usually regret it. So it can't be abused in an infinite loop like wifom. Anyway, certainly its not an argument that could stand by its lonesome, but if you keep reading you will see that it is only one small part of a balanced breakfast. Additionally, don't forget that Foolishness voted for BloodyC0bbler as well, who seems less active than usual as well. ---------- The Ol' Switcheroo Already today, DarthTheinAn has changed his vote from Divinek to BrownBear to Subversion. I didn't even notice this due to how slippery DTA has been. Only two other players have unvoted once today, and DTA has unvoted twice. Seems like an awful finicky for how little we seem to have to go on. Day 1 he went: abstain>d3>abstain>amber[light]. I dunno what the fuck he's doing, other than not try to find and kill mafia with the rest of the town. If he's planning on getting serious at some point in this game and giving an explanation for all this sketchy shit, I adamantly suggest he reads this and does so at his earliest convenience. The Divinek vote was never explained. The BrownBear vote isn't really explained, just attached to a quote of BrownBear promising to be more active. He switches his vote to Subversion with some sarcastic joke, but does follow it up with an explanation mentioning the weird statement Sub made. This would probably be his most helpful post, except that this had already been pointed out by tree.hugger, protactinium, chaoser, and BloodyC0bbler. He seems more interested in having his vote end up in the right place then illuminating the rest of the town so that all of our votes can end up in the right place. It's Day 2 and he's already voted for at least 5 people, at least 7 if you count abstaining. And he even nice enough to let us in on his thinking for one of those votes. He's being less than useless at absolute best. If you're wondering why Bill Murray can't get a single vote count right, it's probably the frantic engagement sex. But this certainly can't help. ----------- Public Enemies No. 1 and 2 On Subversion, frankly, I think Citizen put it well: "I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes." I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates." It totally agree; I just think DTA is a better candidate. As for BrownBear, the entire case seems to be based on bandwagoning which is basically guaranteed to happen day 1, whether or not the mafia are involved at all. Tricode's reason for voting BB was his inactivity - he ought to be voting for one of the two people I mentioned above who've yet to say a thing today (Xelin and lakrismamma). No one has for Brown Bear for a while since Subversion became the flavor of the moment. Poor BB went out of style faster than shutter shades. ---------- But, but, but... Now maybe you are worried that DTA is blue, that he's trying to stay under the radar. I did describe his play this way earlier, but laying low was perhaps not the best way to describe it, and anyway he has become more active. Sometimes he lashes out at attackers; but, mostly, he ignores them and tries to get attention as the class clown rather than the suspect on trial. Foolishness had it pegged: "You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch." Acting weird is not a get-out-of-all-suspicion-free-card, because the weirdo might be a blue. Quite the opposite. But even yesterday he wasn't hiding; he responded to Foolishness's suspicion by turning it right back on Foolishness. He asserted that his goofing around was as valuable to the town as Foolishness's voting behavior analysis. I've noticed that DTA stays out of the discussions/town consciousness merely by refusing to defend himself. He doesn't attempt to use logic so no one chimes in to point out trivial inconsistencies in speech or vote counts with timelines more complicated than Zelda's. Meanwhile, BrownBear and Subversion are both bleating like goats on a sacrificial altar, desperate to defend themselves, so everyone focuses on them, even though half the town is complaining, wishing we had better suspects. We have one if you shake off the smoke and mirrors. Logic is the town's best defense. Midser and I both laid out very logical cases against DTA. DTA never responds to them: instead, he pulls a classic strawman. He quotes bumatlarge's convoluted and seemingly vacuous reason for voting DTA, and he quotes Zeks's reason which is merely that DTA is acting differently this game, which is just a small part, maybe 10% of the overall case. And EVEN THEN he doesn't answer these poor arguments - he makes a wisecrack for each and calls it good. And the town glazes over it, immediately returning to the regularly scheduled program: arguing about tweedledee vs. tweedledum. The bottom line is that this behavior allows DTA to set up a situation where he is never accountable for his behavior because he can just say he was fucking around. Don't believe me? He said he wanted to maximize deaths on the first day, and no one cared because he was "silly" but also "only half-joking." When Subversion says that the mafia aren't making many mistakes, the shit hits the fan. But with DTA, nothing can stick to him. 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+ Show Spoiler + Cool! You gave a whole bunch of Information Instead of Analysis![badtownplay] Oh hey guys, here's a bunch of stuff that was said about/by DTA and since I quoted it, you should trust me in that it points to him being mafia![/badtownplay] I analyzed that his idea to maximize deaths was weird, that he was either sarcastically being evil, or just advocating that we lynch for info rather than finding info to decide a lynch, which I find to be backwards. Also in there, I compare his play to past games, which is more analysis than just information. And I pointed out that nearly all of his posts were clowning around, which is unhelpful. There's plenty of other analysis in there, the line between information and analysis is gray area anyway but I clearly crossed it. + Show Spoiler + So you're saying someone that is as good as DTA (you're all making him out to be quite good, I'm not too sure how good he is), is bad enough to completely swap their playing style after their original style worked bar one or two mistakes? You really think he'd go from one extreme to the other as scum to 'avoid' suspicion? That's like the total opposite of what would happen (case in point: it's happening right now). Well, he obviously has switched things up, and good players tend to base their opinion about whether something works on whether they can win with it. + Show Spoiler + Oh yeah, intuition is awesome. We should always rely on our intuition to win us this game of analysis. I mean, clearly your intuition was correct about Foolishness being blue/red. Again, you're saying just because DTA is taking a low profile that he's scum. You can't just say "he's playing different, scum!" WHY does playing different make him scum, WHY does playing the total extreme of the way he played before make him scum. What about real life issues? What about the fact that he would be responding to these accusations if he really was mafia and was simply lurking? Well I was wrong about Foolishness, but you can contrast the fact that only I and maybe DTA seemed suspicious of him while DTA has been ringing alarm bells for many more people. I'm not "saying just because DTA is taking a low profile he's scum". In fact, you're clearly twisting my words at this point to defend DTA, because I specifically rebutted that claim in the but, but, but... section. + Show Spoiler + Cause and effect. Just because Foolishness was pointing at DTA doesn't mean that it's why he died. I mean, it COULD be but the way you're selling it is as if it's the absolute truth. Totality of the circumstances. None of us have the absolute truth, so we have to find the players with the sketchiest correlations. For me, that's DTA, rather than BB or Sub. The case versus Chaoser strikes me as better than BB and Sub, but not DTA. + Show Spoiler + That's just complete bullshit. I don't even know how the fuck you had the balls to come up with that list that completely condemns DTA and criticizes his play. You're assuming he's some horrible player and basing his scum play based on this assumption, when the general consensus is that DTA is a good player. 1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes. 2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting. 3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them. 4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already. 5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list. 6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts. 7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this. 8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same. So, yeah, it's not complete bullshit. That list is not even 1/8 bullshit. + Show Spoiler + But hey, I don't mind if you lynch him. As you guys have said, he hasn't been very helpful this game. I mean hell, if he's blue/green it only buys me credibility which is needed for the late game. You don't get to say that you don't mind if he dies and then get credibility from defending him. I can't imagine why you'd give such a wishy-washy conclusion unless you are worried he might turn red and make you look bad. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o Doesn't really help that statement :/ Well he has to vote for Chaoser to save himself, anyone would do that. --- Everyone's last vote is serious, the problem with voting like DTA is that we can't know in advance that it's his last vote. We can't ever get too suspicious about his voting patterns because he can be joking. And if his joke vote causes a bandwagon onto someone, he can just keep it there and say he was serious all along. And if someone investigates afterward, they'll focus on the people arguing for the lynch not the guy who is just joking around. Unless someone points out what's going on and how it makes the towns life harder; then he'll have to start acting more normal like he has. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:46 DarthThienAn wrote: 1. I only responded to criticism with jokes when it was criticism about my jokes. 2. Are you referring to this post? I'm not saying he's at fault for doing that, I'm saying he's at fault for doing only that. Alone, that is just his interpretation of one of the above posts but whoever was doing the vote summaries. 3. What arguments against me? Until the recent pages, there haven't been all that many if I recall correctly. If there were any that were REALLY worth replying to seriously, I would have already done so. 4. If it was said four times, then why didn't the person asking for clarification already understand it? 5. It's a bull reason to lynch me, though. My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia. 6. so? 1. You responded to votes against you by zeks and bumatlarge with jokes aimed at their weakest /joking arguments when it wasn't all about that. 2. The point is that he was putting in honest effort to help town and discuss catching mafia. Which is the opposite of how you've been playing for most the game.3 3. The arguments by myself and misder that you've finally gotten around to acknowledging. 4. Your post wasn't addressed to anyone that I could tell. Echoing it again, doesn't hurt I guess, unless the echo chamber is drowning out more productive things. 5. "My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia." That's a great reason to lynch you. If your voting doesn't match up with your suspicions, and you don't explain why you're voting, you are throwing around confusion sparks everywhere. Just because some of them don't catch fire doesn't make it any less dangerous or more helpful. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:55 SiNiquity wrote: Perhaps there's some method to his madness?  Yeah, soft blue it up, threading the needle between so obvious the mafia should have killed him and so useless + obviously green so the town will kill him. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: 1. chronosynclastic infundibulum n. A point in space where, upon a person entering it, that person's existence in space-time ceases to be linear, becoming discrete. This means that a person that has entered a chronosynclastic infundibulum exists at multiple points and lines in space-time. For example, such a person could exist at all points in time in one place and also appear at another point for five minutes. From Kurt Vonnegut's "The Sirens of Titan." This needs to be a new Protoss unit's ability in Legacy of the Void. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:56 BrownBear wrote: Could BM have put Village Idiot in the game for the lulz? ...Possibly. I've gotten two PMs mentioning this. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:15 DarthThienAn wrote: But if got lynched right now as a MH, one of my bombs would go to waste =P. Alright, so the town consensus seems to be DTA is mafia or mad hatter. If he's mad hatter, I'm more determined to kill him before he gives the mafia an extra two kp instead of an extra one. I wonder puts bombs on people as jokes. I'm not really sold on the mad hatter thing anyway; I don't thing this is an RP server where you have to act crazy if the word "mad" is in your role name. It'd make more sense to me to lay low like a vigi. He's been acting suspicious all game, its not like he laid low for two days and then did something scummy on day 3 to try to get lynched and activate bombs. If he is mad hatter, mafia know this. If they have any idea who he suspects, here's what happens: They know he is clueless: Mafia will vote to save him from lynch, let him put on another bomb, probably hit him tonight. They know he is really onto them to the point of both of his bombs being on mafia by night 2: Mafia will let him live, at which point we can't tell if DTA isn't a red getting away with it. Here's the question for people who believe he is mad hatter. If so, I bet he's stubborn and puts another bomb down tonight. What are the odds he has his bombs well placed? Damn low. Most likely scenario in that case is that he puts another bomb on someone tonight, mafia kills him and we wake up to a huge body count. Mad Hatter is a good role for town if they can survive long enough to get two really good suspects. They have to lay low enough till they can get a really strong bead before their bombs become more benefit than liability. If DTA is mad hatter like he says, he's already got one bomb placed and just wants to survive to place one more. Why aren't his supporters asking him about his suspects? Do you trust him to kill people that you also suspect? At this point, even if he's mad hatter, I'd rather his bombs go to waste because I doubt if he's blue he survives long enough for them to be used well. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote: Haven't you understood that DTA jokes alot when he changes? I mean, they were OBVIOUS jokes too. There are better arguments against DTA, stop using that one. Well that's interesting that you get the idea that those votes were jokes, because DTA has clarified that the vote on BB was for his bad vigi plan, and the vote on sub was for the mafia praise; they apparently weren't jokes at all. Yet, I can't blame you at all for thinking they are jokes when he plays like this. This is exactly how the teflon armor works: he does whatever he wants as a "joke" and if joking starts to make him look bad he clarifies with reasons that his actions weren't jokes at all. | ||
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The case against Chaoser as far as I can tell: 1. He put in a placeholder vote, saying he was gonna decide later. Then he never switched it because we had no real suspects Day 1 (other than DTA). 2. Pandain made a big argument post that even he doesn't believe anymore. In any case he switched to Subversion. 3. He was leaning BrownBear but then started being suspicious of Subversion, like at least half the town (DTA, I mentioned some others earlier, honestly I had DTA as my number one but my number 2 went from BrownBear to Subversion to thinking they are both townies, to now I dunno what to think about Subversion's blue claim) 4. He switched his vote to subversion because other people were also doing so, which is also now why people are voting for Chaoser. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:49 rastaban wrote: not voting: double lynch: I think this is right You should put who was first to 7 if there is a tie at the top. | ||
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So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:56 rastaban wrote: But not sure how it goes, Darth was first to 7 but then chaoser went to 9 and back down so while his was more recent he had more votes at the last point, subversion was the last to 7 I think Hmm if I was the moderator Chaoser would die but I don't know how BM handles that. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote: so is mafia just a dancing game until we have absolute information or something If everyone played like DTA, yes. That's why town shouldn't play like this and we should go after people who do. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote: If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^. What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing. lol at the reference. You also talked about not being able to use your second bomb if you were killed today. Totally hypothetical, of course. Or perhaps jokingly. Or maybe you were serious but now you are trying to retract. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote: This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever. Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is. 1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member. 2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say. Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty. What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there. None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble. Is anyone going to at least address Subversion's blue claim? I mean, apparently DTA is not even claiming blue, which was holding some people back. The softness of Subversion's claim is perhaps a bit suspicious, but why are all of his voters ignoring it? | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote: im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what? Pretty sure the last vote change is darth going chaoser to subversion so darth is on the block. He's not gonna help us tonight if blue he's gonna put a bomb on some innocent he's probably never mentioned and then deaths everywhere. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote: Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.##Vote DarthThienAn For Pyrr since I noticed this post while going through to do my own vote tally. To accuse me would draw attention to that mafia member for calling someone out on something that is so obviously a joke / invalid evidence. I've never said that d3 is scum. I'm implied that he should be posting more than he is, but other than that, I've never said anything one way or the other about him. My votes for him have been purely for entertainment value. Your argument to lynch me is... because you don't understand my posting behavior. You should start talking to Pyrr. Pyrr, I'm not sure why I should have replied to this seriously, if at all. Maybe you can paraphrase it to make it coherent? I do think it is incoherent, I was more non-plussed that you responded to that and to the vote by zeks, when misder and I had already made better explanations that you didn't respond to until late today. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:45 DarthThienAn wrote: o_o. you're not allowed to do that. BM I demand to see approval of this edit! yea wtf | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote: im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what? I just wanna say this is really weird. Why doesn't he just switch? | ||
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And he didn't go on to do it. Even though I think Darth was on the block at the time. He still hasn't changed to anything (not sure where is vote is right now either). I imagine mafia would discuss this in PMs and would probably just PM BM to find out if Darth was on the block, so it doesn't seem scummy but it's really weird. | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:06 Divinek wrote: it's more a lesser of two evils, this could easily be town on town dung flinging Well I get it now, you're hot to trot on Amber[Light]. Can someone explain the case against Amber? I'd look it up myself but we've past 50 pages now so we can't open all the pages at once anymore. | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote: Question: if I am town, who does that implicate? Subversion asked the same question. I don't get why we have to prove that we have more reds in our hands to vote for someone we think is red. | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:31 Subversion wrote: Why would you think this makes him town aligned? All he is doing is putting forth a reason to vote me off. Me being town, this would be a pretty scum thing to do? No | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well...if BC is mafia...his vote on Amber is quite interesting....who was it on previously guys? What is the case on BC now? I like how we have under 80 minutes left, all the votes are on DTA/Chaoser/Subversion and everyone in the thread is talking about opz and tree hugger and bc and amberlight. | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Ugh i've already outlined my reasons for chaoser being innocent. at first i was pretty convinced by Pyrr's essay, but youngminii and a couple other players did point out some flaws. upon reexamination it also seems that Pyrr was very selective in which posts of DTA he presented, picking only the worst posts and omitting DTA's more logical and serious posts. I'm pretty sure Subversion is townie as i've been saying for the past 20 pages or something. but at this point it looks like i have to choose the lesser of two evils. #vote subversion Sorry, man. nothing personal. Now what are these posts I left out? He had serious posts answering Foolishness, which I mentioned. He also had a serious post discussing someone's plan at some point. The vast majority of posts were clearly not serious. He had no serious posts until Foolishness and I called him out Day 1. There's no debating that he has become way more serious and logical since I've held his feet to the fire Day 2. And I don't see how you can be sure that Subversion is townie when he is clearly blue or red at this point. | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:11 DarthThienAn wrote: Anyway. It was requested: Death post: + Show Spoiler + Townie Why so worried? I'm sure someone will save you yet. | ||
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No one has made fun of your name before this game; I don't get it. | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:28 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: youngminii doesn't like me because i voted for him day 1 all i ever wanted was to be loved me too and thats why it will never happen | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:25 tree.hugger wrote: Because he didn't. Either Pyrr is a clever mafia, or a really really bad townie. I'm leaning towards the latter, and seeing as how we don't seem to want to kill the obvious mafia, can we take this one out next? You're not at all. And you never have been. Oh that's bullshit he clearly wanted people to think he was mad hatter. Then he backed off it but that doesn't really fucking do us any good because it just looks like he's a blue having second thoughts. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:23 Protactinium wrote: At least he wasn't blue. Tomorrow's the day for backtracking. Its better that he wasn't blue. If he was mad hatter we'd be looking at two dead innocents now. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: funny how you and d3 pop out of the woodwork as soon as the night post comes up and bumatlarge | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote: infundilxzcblum I almost read this first as infundiblizzcum | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:58 bumatlarge wrote: And what woodwork would I have come out of? I was satisfied with my vote on subversion and explained why, and I wasn't against darth or chaoser being lynched either, not one over the other, so really I had no reason to post and waited for night. Its a shame darth was green, as his posts are now just random vanilla towny actions with barely rhyme or reason, but we have a good number of votes to analyze now, so that should lead to alot of posting I'll need to catch up on tomorrow. Hopefully night will give us even more. I would protect subversion tonight as he's either blue or red, even though mafia might pass over him based off day 2. Hope I get shot tonight >:D Well I dunno i think it was youngminii complaining earlier about how there was only one post between your vote and your reaction to the result. Maybe that post in between was awesome but I am loathe to hunt for it when it means hunting through 25 pages. | ||
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On July 22 2010 14:10 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Good idea, lets make obvious suicide bomber target even more tempting! Ehh yeah, this. | ||
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On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote: Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. ? wut? | ||
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On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote: I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... My exact reaction for you wanting medic protection. | ||
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On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote: I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. Well it just continues this "I'm a confirmed townie" thing we've been warning you against when you say you considered asking for medic protection. | ||
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On July 22 2010 15:52 Pandain wrote: Actually even more pressing than Zeks' short amount of posts is Tricodes amount, with the grand total of 6! Holy crud, talk about inactive. Hmm he's usually more active than that, but not super active, probably less than average. Could be due to some distraction / bored townie. Worth looking into, though. Voting Zeks on inactivity didn't make too much sense to me though, I think there are more inactive people, though I haven't been scientific about it, yet. Like how many posts does Jayme have? Or lakrasmamma, who couldn't even be bothered to figure out who to vote for? | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:10 Pandain wrote: Oh when you search only put the name it in the Username bar. And then make sure you have "content only" Ok thanks. Looks like way more posts than six. | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:27 Subversion wrote: when is night?? Lol now. | ||
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On July 22 2010 17:02 Subversion wrote: I want night because I'm tired ^_^ Was a hectic mafia day lolz. The day post comes 24 hours after the day ended. That's the post that talks about what the mafia, vigilantes, medics, etc did during the night and who died and voting starts, etc. So if you want to make a post in case you die you have until then. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:27 Pandain wrote: Holy crud. This is the info I was talking about. Wait a second... then how did two people die. and a third got hit? Was there a vigilante? Had to have been a vigilante or BC is lying. Mad hatter would have shown up dead. Bomber would have shown up dead. Assuming BC is telling the truth we can't tell if he was hit by a vigi or the reds. I'd think BC would be more likely to attract a vigi hit since he has been more suspicious than roffles/jayme. Although Jayme has been mentioned for inactivity. Whoever the vigi is, you are normal townie now, so I think it would be okay to claim so we can at least have some more info about what went down. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:29 Subversion wrote: Shit. Someone suicided bombed Jayme maybe? That seems like a weird choice though. This kind of sucks, as neither of these 2, imo, were really seriously suspected of being scum. suicide bomber would be dead now if that had happened. | ||
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Or if no vigi made a hit or we don't have a vigi BC must be lying. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:38 Pandain wrote: I think if the Vigi didn't make a hit, they should claim so now. If they don't claim so now, then BC is NOT lying. I think that's a solid inference. we can't do that since we might have 2 vigis. they would both have to claim and then we'd lose one of their hits. unless maybe both hits have been used and doubled up on someone somehow | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: We know we have two kp roles, one is a vig, the other could be hatter or vig. We can't have 2 hatters? | ||
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I feel like a lot more is getting figured out now with the development of BC claiming hit. | ||
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On July 24 2010 05:37 lakrismamma wrote: Also not that we have 8 people who is abstaining at the moment. If 13 abstains then there is no lynch today. Please don't abstain people! We're not explicitly abstaining, we're just voting for double lynch. I'm sure most of us will choose someone to lynch by the end of the day. | ||
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But if mafia want to do some fake claiming strategies, it is usually best to make a low-key player GF to arouse less suspicion. | ||
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##Unvote from Double Lynch I can put that back later. (The day would end early? I'm so confused.) | ||
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On July 24 2010 18:18 Bill Murray wrote: you should totally hook it up with some good organic milk and some corn and shit if you live on a farm. what state are you from? Washington. Also it was a cow not a heifer, forgot about the difference. | ||
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##vote Double Lynch On thing people seem to assume is that if a DT mouth comes up red, the supposed DT is also red and we get two reds. The DT could just as easily be blue. The DTs have had NO WAY to confirm anyone at this point (as far as I can work out), so if they have a mouth, it's probably because they talked to someone they shouldn't have. | ||
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Seems like some blues have been claiming to people that aren't confirmed. Don't do this next game, please. 1. You can get killed. 2. You can get used. 3. You can tell someone innocent but they leak to a red. And then you get killed and we lynch the innocent. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:18 lakrismamma wrote: ¨ Citi.zen was cleared if no other claimed mad hatter. If he is clear then his DT should be clear if it is as he says? Now the situation is different. Misder was more of an observation. Im not so sure you are mafia now. Since I get to choose between citi.zen and Southrawrea south is far more likely and that would prove you right, Will you believe in citi.zen if South turns out red? Sure play the newbie card. What you really is trying to do here is make citi tell where he has his bombs right? WTF!! This is so mafia why should he tell where he placed his bombs. Only mafia has the need to know if the bombs are placed on them or not. You practicly told us you are mafia. ##unvote ##vote southrawrea Well if we are determining who to lynch it makes sense to talk about bombs. citizen has already claimed hatter so he's not gonna last too much longer red or blue. Whoever survives the lynch is gonna get killed and if a blue has a bomb on them they will need to get shit in order (DT finding a mouth to pass on their findings). Also, if we lynch a hatter and he turns red, we can discuss what to do with the bombs before they get killed (moving bomb off an innocent, moving one onto a red, etc.). The real hatter is probably not gonna survive the night UNLESS they announce bomb placements AND those are on reds. Reds will just take the risk on killing the hatter if they don't know. Mafia can't really do anything with the information except get scared shitless and leave a soon-to-be-confirmed blue alive if the bombs are on their own. Town can try to make things better if we know where bombs are. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:15 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: You know on the other hand, if citizen is red this play doesn't make a lot of sense either, I mean mafia are at an advantage and a gambit like this is really risky and i'm not sure why he would do that instead of just playing it safe. Ugh, this is confusing. There could be quite a few reasons to do it: Smoke out the hatter, plus ask for DTs before counterclaim can happen. It's also hard to see how much mafia is in an advantage. I'd agree with that but we can't really tell if all our suspects remaining are red. Also, multiple claims were sorta inevitable so its sort of a question of do you believe who came first or second. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thing is your wrong. Citizen being lynched reveals us A) he is hatter b) he is gf c) he is suicide bomber d)he is townie playing huge gambit e) he is dt (would be bad and he would have to claim this to save himself, although by lying once he could be doing it twice) Now, if he is hatter, he dies kills two people (we get info based on who died remember), we get info based on those heavily accusing him, we get a confirmed dt (the one that checked him has checked someone else remember) his dt can then check the other dt confirming him and the circle is formed regardless and we get a ton of info. We lynch southrawr A) is mafia trying to save himself B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser C) he flips green and we all go wtf If he dies, we find out hes either a red trying to save himself or that hes a hatter with a bomb on someone you have been pressuring to kill all game. Regardless of his death, all we know is he was inactive till being called out. we get no info on really anyone else in this game. You just want to get chaoser killed and are pushing this. This is pretty persuasive to me. Southrawrea has not come up linked to anyone for me in any kind of a "circle" while citizen has even admittedly been acting in a more concerted way with others. SR account of how he used the bombs seems pretty logical to me, and if he's red there's gotta be all sorts of complicated bussing and not-bussing going on which would probably be impossible to tease out. Citizen gives way more info and youngminii's reply to this same post gives no warrants otherwise, just his usual angst. Seems like citizen might be lying low to give no more info. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:40 SiNiquity wrote: I bet Tricode and BC are cackling maniacally at their good fortune. Kill a medic, claim 3rd hit + protection (both unverifiable), draw out the other 2 KP roles. Let them kill each other. Bonus is that they're both hatters instead of vigilantes. So much for 50/50. HOLY SHIT. I did not think of that. That is totally something BC would organize and for some reason I overlooked it. Tricode actually sticks out more to me but for some reason I haven't even been thinking about him since I figured 1 vigi 1 hatter made sense. Hmm... we're gonna have to think this through a lot more. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:50 zeks wrote: I would think Tricode's story is the most believable. Is that just because he posted first? It didn't make sense for BC to be hit by a vigi at that time, maybe tricode and bc got the idea from their history together and spun it from there. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:54 tree.hugger wrote: I think we gain plenty of information about this, seeing as how we have a 50% chance at catching mafia, and this is a split vote. Role list analyzing is going to be cake after today. I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one. But more importantly, pick citi.zen. There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then it's the coup de grâce. We've taken out their best player, and we have two confirmed town members to form a circle around. If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then we still have an intact town circle with a DT and a person who was checked. Also, citi.zen's bombs go off, and two people die. It's not unreasonable to assume that citi.zen, being an experienced mafia player and scum-hunter will have caught at least one mafia in his net. I'd trust his bomb placement, providing he has them. If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we've taken out the newest, or one of the newest members of the mafia team. That's about it. If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies—another player who is newer, and not really driving any buses. I know youngminii thinks he's mafia, but I think that's just silly. Decide for yourself, but I'd trust citi.zen's judgment in bomb placing over Southrawrea. *** I think out of these four options, assuming for a moment that the probability of either being mafia is 50/50, then the obvious better outcomes will come from lynching citi.zen. I hardly think there's anything to recommend Southrawrea as a natural mafia, or even a natural mafia selection to go out and try to sabotage this plan. On the flip side, pretty much the only player on TL who I would expect to pull something as crazy as a MH/town circle claim as mafia is citi.zen. I think, if we're talking character types, citi.zen fits, and Southrawrea does not. I'm going to ## vote citi.zen because it gives us the most info but let's not forget that tricode / bc could be in cahoots. That does seem... kinda outlandish but BC could be one to pull something like that off. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote: Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal. I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming. Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that. That's wifom, if citi.zen is red he would have said there were three claims and not said who, so that there was a reason to keep him around to figure out who to go after. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:14 citi.zen wrote: Town, if you really think I am red and out of the blue decided to fake claim in a game where nobody had put any pressure on me, you deserve to lose. I am out with the family for the evening. If you find that scummy on a Saturday I am speechless. Make the right call and this is over. The reds risked everything today: try to go after my credibility, try to question a solid plan on unfounded grounds, fake-claim right when a majority of players had correctly concluded I was telling the tuyth, try to get me lynched "to reveal information" (really to stop me from linking the two circles tonight). Just read the thread to see who did this - it's transparent as hell. Would have nice for you to answer some of these things about the DT pms and bomb locations. I guess if I can operate on a cow you can go with your fam, though. Cow is still alive today if anyone cares. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote: guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD. Yeah he says that he's leaving, knowing he could be dead by the time he gets back, and doesn't mention that? Aside: Aren't you glad we killed DTA? If he was still alive, we had a vigi claim, we had two mad hatters claim, AND we had all of DTA's wink and nod posts about mad hattering this would be so much worse. That's why you don't dink around as town. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote: The confirmed dt knows of all the claims. I will not reveal their names publicly at this point - it would condemn the real one. It also has no bearing on what you guys need to do: lynch south so you get a 1pp% confirmed red. One way or another. And this DT is confirmed how? Because he checked you and got Hatter and claimed to you? Because that doesn't matter when you are a prime GF candidate. And lynching south doesn't get a confirmed red because if he's innocent we still have to sort out between you and tricode and if red it seems like a dead end. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If your here long enough to post a comment like that, please go back and talk about issues pointed at you, stop random picking. You got called out on a scum move, defend yourself, stop avoiding it. Saying "i passed all info onto my dt" isn't a defense when your suspected scum, as all it implies is you handed the info to your team. well the dt could either be totally fake or real if he is red. if you are gonna try to get info as a red you have to come up with 3 people claiming to the 2 spots so that you can be in charge of figuring things out; if you don't say there are fake claims, then everyone is confirmed and you'd have to pass on the info you got to townies (you couldn't fake this info since it townies could cross check to see if it matches what they claimed and to see if citi.zen sent the same thing to everyone. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: What exactly are the chances that a mafia member can guess someone is a mad hatter so easily anyway? That's pretty random imo Were citi.zen's tells that simple to the mafia? ? I don't think it is likely that citizen is blue and his dt is mafia, if that's what you are suggesting. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:44 tree.hugger wrote: DTA is a good enough player to know that he would've had to claim or non-claim in that situation. Lynching DTA was a poor mistake. But if he makes a big deal out of non-claiming he can look like a red that was trying to scare away votes. | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow I missed Citizens vanilla claim the fuck Dude if we go two days in a row arguing about someone town thinks is blue or red when they are really green fake claiming / hinting... poor form. | ||
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? I'm not saying your bad. As red its a good move. But as green i think not lying, not hinting I'm blue, lynching all liars is solid play. | ||
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Being Townie 101 1. Do not lie to town. 1a. Do not pretend to be blue. Being Blue 101 1. Do not lie to town. 2. Do not give your blue role to someone who isn't fully confirmed, especially not in the first couple of days. We've had so much trouble over the past 3 days because of the refusal of good players to stick to the fundamentals. Some people want to be flashy, they wanna be a hero, they are impatient, etc. The key to town is to act as a crowd, to not stick out. That way, the mafia sticks out and gets caught. When town members get these bright ideas about goofing around to draw out reds they just end up sticking out themselves. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote: Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Dude you've already posted that bright red list multiple times and I'm sure you are gonna repost it intermittently for the next 72 hours unless BM threatens to modkill you for spamming. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:23 Pandain wrote: The problem is that we were going to let young into the circle yet as soon as citizen turns out to be green(not even blue) he just recklessly posts it. ? I don't even know what this circle is. I haven't received a PM since tree.hugger sent me one on Day 2. He was trying to convince me to vote subversion; I was trying to convince him to vote DTA. But today all of a sudden it seems like every blue has claimed to three to five people to the point where the reds probably know all the blues and could probably fake DT if they wanted. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:38 chaoser wrote: I'm not even defending myself...I've resigned myself into dying cause your wrath is unstoppable Yeah it would be if youngminii was leading the town instead of just being insufferably angry and loud. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I'm serious; stop being a dick. If South is blue then Day 3 was perfect for mafia. They have 1-2 people come out and argue for lynching citizen (someone like BC, tree hugger, or me) and a couple others to start the wagon on South (e.g. you, zeks, or lakrismamma). The town just eats up the bullshit since a mafia was never in danger of getting lynched due to citizen fronting for the mad hatter rather than actually being the mad hatter. Basically the entire duality of Citi/South was thrown because citizen was not the role he said he was, so instead of being at Citi/South/Tricode we're at South/Tricode/Mystery Player. Exactly, there's no way citi.zen could have known for sure that he was mouthing for a real hatter. Even if a DT was involved, this mystery player could be GF. How likely is it that this mystery player is GF? I can't even speculate or offer my expertise on this because I don't know who it is since I'm not in the divine secret circle of the go.go brotherhood. Could be a mafia faking dt and a mafia faking hatter coming together to guess citizen as green based on high activity. Or maybe they are using one of the DTs to do role checks for them, given that our blues seem to be acting looser than fat emo girls right now. It could be that mafia was threatened by Tricode claiming and used citizen to create a situation with three innocents claiming. Maybe they came up with whatever faulty reasoning citizen was using to claim as hatter rather than mouth. Maybe the secret town plan accounts for all this, but I wouldn't know. This would be a lot less complicated, with a lot less WIFOM to get lost in if townies didn't lie. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote: If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. DT can only have checked 2 times by now in case anyone doesn't get that. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote: I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young. Can someone verify that Pandain claimed he was checked? And if he wasn't, (and even if he was) see Playing Blue 101, rule 2. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote: Let's just say I forced it out of him. and no, he had one. And that person I had already been in contact with. I'm not going to say much more about this in depth just because I don't want to reveal to much. Have to talk it over.Forced it out of him? What the hell does that even mean. I can't think of any legitimate reason for this. I wouldn't try to get a DTs role from someone because role fishers are mafia. | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote: Basically, it works like this: We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target. However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives. Or Southrawrea could be mafia. Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia. We should've had two choices, but now we still have three. So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night. But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for. If GF was posing as hatter to citi.zen, I'd imagine a red faking DT was involved. | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If GF was posing as hatter to citi.zen, I'd imagine a red faking DT was involved. Which means maybe they don't know the DTs. Now, I get it that people went ahead and gave info on DTs to citizen and so he supposedly found 3. But did Citi.zen actually get 3 dt names? or did he just get mouths / people posing as mouths? | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:13 Pandain wrote: Actually wait wtf lol. I was NEVER working with citizen. Hahaha. where did I say that? -__- | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:15 zeks wrote: Anyone interested in the Pandain - citi.zen PMs? Well he just said he never worked with citizen so they would seem damning | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:33 Pandain wrote: Haha why no reaction? I think we need to talk about this lol. Well I think town is suffering from too many boys crying wolf at the moment. More seriously, I take it you're saying your plan was to have citizen claim for you and then go after whoever claims next? And BC for leading the charge against citizen? | ||
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We need two more double lynch votes. | ||
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On July 26 2010 14:54 BrownBear wrote: I don't like the majority lynch rule. I really think the town should have the full 48 hours, and then the lynch happens at the end of it. Ending the day early for them just seems unfair to town, especially those who are in different time zones so may not be able to access the thread until after majority has passed. I can see a scenario where a townie has critical information for the town, but something like this happens and the lynch happens before he can share it. It just doesn't seem that balanced. I agree but it's not that big of a deal and it's better to just keep the rules where they started. | ||
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#vote Pandain I'm just going to start with who I know for 100% sure has lying. Hasn't worked well so far but I don't give a fuck. | ||
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I don't really want day to end early. | ||
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Can someone in / understanding this "town circle" thing make a chart visualizing this? I'm serious. It can be ms paint or whatever I just think it would help. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:23 Pandain wrote: Just to clear it up, I did NOT lie to town. I lied only to Youngmini because we were going to let him into the circle but had to be sure he wasn't GF(since he had checked green.). I did NOT lie to the town or jeopardize it, until Youngmini reaveled it, probably with good intentions :/. It was ???,Subversion, and I's secret expirement. If I still lived, than youngmini wasn't GF and we would let him in our group. That's the extent of my lie, to youngmini for one day. The pms with Subversion I posted verify this. Lying in PM = lying to town, because whoever gets your mail and catches you in a lie has an obligation to tell the town about it. Maybe if you are DT and check a red you can try lying to them to get more info but really that will probably just screw you over. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:43 BrownBear wrote: 1) BC decided my roleclaiming plan was idiotic, despite the fact that it benefits town. 2) BC decided instead of going for South (who was 99% confirmed mafia) we should go for citi.zen. You see how that turned out. 3) BC hasn't really been sparking town discussion, he's been flaming people, calling every plan stupid, deriding every player as playing poorly, etc. This is very scummy, as he is intentionally trying to break down town unity rather than build it. 4) BC has been on the wrong side of every vote so far. You want more? I've got more. 1. I think that plan was too hasty. 2. I also saw citi.zen as the better target because of the sketchiness of his claim. 3. This could be true he hasn't had a great counterplan. 4. None of us have been on the right side of a vote yet since we've yet to bag a red. | ||
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2. You asked him to cough it up to you, not the town. Then you couldn't hide that anymore after the circle started to get investigated for leaks. 3. Yes, our DT found a red so I'm voting. I need to start voting now because apparently the only red we've found by DT check has decided to assume town leadership. 4. How could so many blues die in one night? Maybe there was a red in the circle? The circle you have apparently crowned yourself king of, despite not being checked? The circle that you apparently were allowed to remain in even after turning up red after you finally were checked? The circle that you happen to be one of the only survivors from after the events of last night? The correct response couldn't be simpler. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:52 Protactinium wrote: Don't everybody vote at once though. We still want to be able to talk things through, and the more time the town has to discuss the better it is. List of own posts coming. I'll do Pandain's as well, but he's probably got a million of them. It's double lynch today, BM has to wait for us to decide on target #2, which will be harder. | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:02 Pandain wrote: Yeah you can afford to wait though. We have two full days. At least allow me to defend myself before automatically voting. And also, if there is anothe rmiller, than theres a 3/4 chance that I'm miller, not 25%. Going to bed soon so anyone who'd like to PM BM about that, I'd be uber grateful. No, its not just better to get me out of the way. Did you see how many we lost man? Right now, we're on basically, at heart, speculation. We need to be careful about every lynch now. Now I'm not saying that there isn't some evidence against me... there is. I'm just saying please wait for me to defend myself before voting. Is that really so bad? Where are you getting this 3/4 shit? And there would have to be 3 millers since one is already dead. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:47 Pandain wrote: 1. *sigh* TWO millers, not three, TWO 2.Quote it 3.I'm just asking you to hear my side before you vote. 7 votes and its a majority and I'm auto lynched. I'm asking you to at least wait for my def. 4.Maybe because of a whole bunch of fails? Zek's bombs blow off on a townie and (xelin?) The medic tries to protect xelin, and tht is a fail. I can't have been responsible for the other leak because zeks wouldn't tell me who the dt was. So I'm not responsible at all. 1. There is a dead miller so there would have to be three. 2. Allow me to call the fuck out of that bluff: On July 26 2010 02:07 Pandain wrote: Just clearing it up so everyone can hear my story. I found out about DT, and confronted him. He didn't go up to me. He gave me the information because I already knew he was DT lol. And I didn't have any offer for citizen, don't know where that came from. Yeah, that's still an incredibally stupid thing to do considering you had no proof I was fake claiming. What If I was the real DT? You could've just revealed me. This is why we can't just reveal anyone to the DT, cause they could do stupid stuff like this. I don't expect people to blindly follow me, I expect them to trust me. Just like how we now trust citizen. The difference being I came right out and said it while citizen delayed until like 5 minutes before night lol. You couldn't have "known" he was DT. So that's a lie that you didn't admit to that and lie that you knew he was dt. Bada bing bada boom. 3. You're already defending yourself, I'm already pointing out the bullshit. Town is not going to delay all discussion for you to come up with better arguments than the meager cloud of dust you're kicking up now. We still have to find target #2 we don't need to waste time determining whether or not we lynch the guy that came back red and was connected to multiple circle leaks (zeks being protected/checked, subversion being killed). 4. How did you even know the medic was protecting Xelin and not Zeks? So you were in contact or had info about the medic? | ||
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On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote: Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. I guess I should take a look at misder; all I have thought about him so far this game is that he helped me get DTA lynched. | ||
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On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote: I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well... post PMs please | ||
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On July 29 2010 17:19 youngminii wrote: You know what's funny, I don't believe BC false claimed to you. I believe you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass after you saw that you were in a tight spot because your DT claim went wrong. You saw the BC and SouthRawrea were both royally fucked and you knew bussing them was the obvious way to go. So instead of simply bussing them like a normal person, you pinned BC for your fake DT claim. Notice how he doesn't respond? ##Unvote Chaoser ##Vote rastaban The PMs do seem like BC to me, but if rastaban is red then BC would obviously be writing them anyway even though they are "fake". I know BC when red likes to use nooby innocents as mouths to hide his influence so it is plausible. But that doesn't really help us because if rastaban is red it would look the same way. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Page 9 On July 17 2010 00:38 Misder wrote: How do you know who's mafia if there are no clues? Behavior? Page 11 On July 17 2010 11:27 Misder wrote: So... are we lynching now? Page 17 This was the first vote on Hyperbola, who ended up getting lynched. Prior to this post, nine different people had one vote each on them. Misder ended the day with his vote on LaxerCannon, though... On July 18 2010 10:43 Misder wrote: ##Vote: hyperbola Sketchy to me. He says hes active, but says he only posted because he does want to be killed. And hyperbola's reason to lynch SiNiquity is horrible lol. I was actually going to abstain, but hyperbola's post annoyed me lol. More vote analysis: Misder voted with SouthRawrea (as well as Roffles and Citi.zen) against Chaoser on Day 2. Day 3, Misder voted for me rather than citi.zen or southrawrea (citi.zen died). Day 4, Misder voted for Pandain rather than BC. Page 19 On July 18 2010 13:22 Misder wrote: Um... I'm not aligned with SiNiquity at all right now. I know nothing of him. However, I do know that your post seems really... odd, to say the least. Also, what is wrong with a lengthy post? His first lengthy post was just a list of names that have not contributed (I was on that list... hopefully I'm doing ok helping out the town as much as I can). His second lengthy response, I admit, is completely against you; but he has a point. Just because you were townie aligned before does not mean that you can act sketchy and get away with it. Page 22 Misder asks Amber[Light] why he is trusting Xelin On July 19 2010 02:27 Misder wrote: Why exactly do you trust Xelin out of all the players here? As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Page 25 Vote changed to LaxerCannon On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... Page 30 Impatient for day post On July 20 2010 10:27 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 07:15 LaXerCannon wrote: Resources (fixed) + Show Spoiler + Jayme -> Amber[light] Pandain -> abstain DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia d3_crescentia -> DTA DTA -> Unabstain citi.zen -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia Pandain -> Incognito SouthRawrea -> Abstain ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain bumatlarge -> Divinek Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity LaXercannon -> Abstain Youngminii -> Abstain Divinek -> Abstain Tricode -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola Roffles -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXercannon Foolishness -> Abstain lakrismamma -> LaXercannon lakrismamma -> Subversion BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain ~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA XeliN -> Brownbear iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM citi.zen -> ketomai XeliN -> youngminii chaoser -> abstain Amber[LighT] -> abstain treehugger -> DTA Amber[LighT] -> youngminii Roffles -> youngminii lakrismamma -> ketomai DTA -> Amber[LighT] bumatlarge -> Hyperbola BrownBear -> Hyperbola Jayme -> Youngminii Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler Misder -> LaXerCannon zeks -> abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain -> Pandain bumatlarge -> Divinek -> Hyperbola* BrownBear -> Hyperbola* Chaoser -> Abstain citi.zen -> ketomai d3_crescentia -> DTA Divinek -> Abstain -> Hyperbola* DTA -> Abstain -> Amber[LighT] Foolishness -> Abstain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii Jayme -> Amber[Light] -> youngminii lakrismamma -> LaXerCannon -> Subversion -> ketomai LaXercannon -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser -> BloodyC0bbler Pandain -> Abstain -> Incognito (?) -> BloodyC0bbler -> Hyperbola* Protactinium -> Abstain Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen Roffles -> Abstain SiNiquity -> Hyperbola* SouthRawrea -> Abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola Tricode -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXerCannon XeliN -> Brownbear -> youngminii youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia -> abstain -> iNfuNdiBuLuM zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain What interests me is this block of voting: Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola and these people: Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain My head hurts so I'll just give a couple one liners for now (I've been digging through this damned thread for like an eternity) The Hyperbola bandwagon Misder @ 10:43 Divinek @ 10:51 Pandain @ 10:56 zeks @ 11:22 SiNiquity @ 11:37 Within an hour, Hyperbola gets bandwagonned and is in first place: @ 11:37 (after roffles' vote) Definitely suspicious considering how fast and compact the votes were together Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain Misder -> starts bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed zeks -> fourth voter for bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed attempts at lowering suspicion? I already said why I unvoted for Hyperbola. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... Also, as many people already stated, Hyperbola was not screwed all the way. It was 6-5 for Hyperbola, a very close vote. Anyways... ITS 9:27!!!!!! WHERE IS THE DAY POST!!!! Page 31 Deflects blame for Hyperbola bandwagon onto followers BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion On July 20 2010 13:44 Misder wrote: BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion are the three people that originally voted for Hyperbola... just because. As people already pointed out, they are under the most suspicion because they just went the easy way out, without needing to read the thread. I think that we should lynch one of these three. Either they are mafia who don't want to come out or townies that aren't helping anything by jumping on bandwagons which was decisive in who we lynched on Day 1 (could have been 4-5 if they actually read the thread and had their own ideas). + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote: the day technically started at 9 pm est/10 kst my girlfriend and i have been fighting, and i'm sorry that that inhibited my ability to resolve the night's action on time, but we really needed a night out together, and went to see the movie inception. i would like to add that i am now engaged to be married. i will make the day start from midnight tonight as a result. let me go through the actions and see who was to be killed/protected/etc. Congrats! I'm sorry about making you rush the day post >.< Page 36 BloodyC0bbler makes a big post including why he thinks Zeks and Misder are town. Why would the GF make a post trying to convince town that two town-aligned people are town-aligned? Page 36 Misder puts FoS on lakrismamma, citi.zen, and DTA for Foolishness's death (note I used this in my case against DTA). On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote: Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote: You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote: I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote: You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote: The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything. The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover. It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good. On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote: I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote: I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts: Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red. Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red? Page 36 Citi.zen points out that Misder's collection of Foolishness's post leaves out the one where Foolishness votes for BloodyC0bbler! On July 21 2010 03:29 citi.zen wrote: Good collection of posts man, congrats! You left out this one: Page 43 Misder changes vote from DTA (who gets lynched) to Chaoser On July 22 2010 01:32 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote: On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote: Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12? So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 NEW VOTES: chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02 BrownBear abstains at 6:52 Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53 Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20 youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32 chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25 LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27 SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19 chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34 hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me ##vote Subversion End result: BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode) Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser) DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia) chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea) abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon) People yet to vote: xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles Chaoser won't tell us what he is experimenting. Here's what I think he is doing. Remember subversion's post? + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 09:09 Subversion wrote: THANK YOU fucking hell. I played in ONE NIGHT of harry potter mafia, I got temp banned for some stupid joke and got replaced This is my first game ffs, I didn't realise what I said would make it "oh gg, he's mafia lol, what a fkn moron". I was trying to be useful Seems like everyone is jumping on my voting bandwagon, I get what I said was stupid now, although I still don't really understand why its a fucknormous mistake. I was simply stating what to me, was a fairly obvious fact. It was kind of a justification for my vote to be honest. I didn't see any major mistakes, I didn't have anyone I felt REALLY deserved a vote, but I didn't wanna abstain and I thought Hyperbola was fucked anyway. So I read what he said and what others said, there didn't really seem like any better choice, so I just voted for him. Like I said, I didn't really think my vote mattered much anyway. I also had Bill up my ass saying I was gonna be modkilled if I didn't vote! I really don't want to be voted out here, I don't want to roleclaim either, but I can if necessary?? I think that chaoser is trying to get subversion to roleclaim. He voted for subversion to pressure subversion to roleclaim to defend himself. Do not roleclaim yet. This makes me very very suspicious of chaoser. I may be completely paranoid, but its scummy to me. ##Unvote DarthThienAn Vote chaoser On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote: Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Page 44 Says he is suspicious of Zeks and BC On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus. + Show Spoiler + blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... My reason for lynching him was this + Show Spoiler + As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior. The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that. Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out. Page 62 On July 22 2010 12:44 Misder wrote: ##Vote Double lynch I have a feeling that after today, we are going to have a huge crapload of people under suspicion... Page 63 On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote: One more person needs to vote double lynch for it to pass!! On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote: It is majority vote for double lynch, right? On July 22 2010 12:54 Misder wrote: oh, lol. When I looked at BM vote tally, I thought there were 15 people left and we needed 8 people... stupid me. Page 71 Citi.zen wonder why no one is responding to or following with his suspicion of Misder. Pandain replies to say he thinks Zeks is more suspicious than Misder. On July 23 2010 06:09 Pandain wrote: I actually followed up on your suscipion of misder/zeks and I've decided that misder is much more town-likely than zeks. Misder I feel is actually contributing while Zeks posts' aren't that praiseworthy much. In addition, I negated the idea of ALL the three of them being mafia (misder,zeks, BC) because as misder says in this post he includes zeks in being under suscipion. Obviously that could just be a mafia ploy, but it does help lend credibility to Misder. In addition, Misder could be mafia too. Looking over his posts I found a few that are suscipious, but not neccesarily mafia like. Here we see his reasoning ORIGINALLY for voting Hyperbola, but of course I take this to mean a joking sort of vote. He does question Hyperbola but then later unvote him here. A theory could be laid that Misder wanted to "start" the bandwagon on Hyperbola and than jump out. This could be possible, but I believe it is too early to call such a thing certain. Even more theories(all speculative) could be laid out supporting him being mafia. For example, in this post he begins to show how Foolishness's death could have been caused by his posts "accusing people." Misder could just be using this to help the mafia, or he could just be trying to help. Either way, uncertain. More questionable is what you point out that in that post he forgot to include Foolishness's vote for BC. As of now, should we vote Misder? No. Should we keep an eye on him? Perhaps. Personally I feel zeks is a better suspect. I've compiled a list of his posts and notes I can share, but as of now they're pretty sloppy and just my thoughts. I'll probably reveal it later. Finally, as for BC? not sure yet. He's a mafia vet, therefore should be watched closely, but I'm not sure if there are close enough ties to tie him to mafia. Especially a 3 person maifa. Unless you have more posts by BC which could indicate him, I'm more likely to just suspect Zeks. A note about Zeks: One of the reasons I suspect him is because he's fairly quiet. More so than probably 95% of people.*cough* Tricode *Cough*. Speak up zeks, I'll probably change my mind about you. So yeah, those are just my thoughts. Just wanted you to know I have been thinking about that post. In short: Interesting idea, but we need more evidence/posts. I feel like one of the things holding us back is that certain people aren't speaking that often. Does it make them mafia? Certainly not. Can it be indicative of a mafia? Certainly. These thoughts are certainly not final, and I'm still in the process of analyzing and deciding. Page 72 Misder responds On July 23 2010 08:36 Misder wrote: citi.zen's post + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! my post + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus. + Show Spoiler + blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... My reason for lynching him was this + Show Spoiler + As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior. The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that. Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out. citi.zen, you've only made one post against me (with actual content), and I have responded earlier. Just saying. And if you really want to lynch me, you have tonight and day (mafia time) to present to the people before I can respond... (as I stated, I will not be able to get internet access tomorrow, and maybe even the day after tomorrow.) Page 78 Votes for me before day starts On July 23 2010 14:21 Misder wrote: ##Vote Double Lynch ##Vote Pyrrholuxia For DTA Since I can't defend myself later and no one is probably going to defend me, I'll just say that I'm pro-town. My only sugestion is look at my posts. They are the only things defending me right now. Hopefully I will be able to get internet access sometime soon. Page 88 BC says: "A list of 6 where 1-2 will most likely be red Siniquity, Southrawrea, Pandain, subversion, misder, protactinium" Page 94 Lakrismamma says: "I think BC is being very suspicious in not not coming with any ideas except delaying the claims. I find it weird as well that he dident include Misder in his little investigation. Misder is one of the scummyest people in the game I think. For now though since we could not abstain too much according to BM." Page 96 Siniquity says: "I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it." Page 97 BC says: "As for why I haven't analyzed misder? So what? I opted to snag people I saw obviously coasting/acting scummy. You know, rather than fingering me for who I didn't analyze, maybe you should spend time analyzing said person. Hell if you think you believe they are scum, maybe you should give a reason why other than "I think" Trying to put suspicion on me for who I didn't analyze is like saying "You contributed, but because your scum list and mine don't overlap 100% you must be red" instead of contributing yourself." Page 120 Zeks posts: "Double Lynch List (18/13): Siniquity, BrownBear, Protactinium, zeks, ~OpZ~, rastaban, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, LaXerCannon, Pandain, lakrismamma, XeliN, citi.zen, youngminii, pyrrhuloxia, amber[light], Divinek Who is missing? Tree.hugger, BC, SouthRawrea, Infundibulum, Misder, Tricode, Subversion" Page 130 Tree.Hugger posts: " On July 26 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote: also there's way too many people in this game that dont post enough that are probably mob, how annoying d3, (citi.zen's favorite) Misder, XeliN (haha, never posts, never has to) " Page 135 Protractinium posts: "And so we have it here. Mafia killed Subversion, and I had a PM from Pandain telling me that the "other Detective" was going to check Subversion tonight, but to "keep Subversion from thinking that, and to just play it cool and to have him check Misder/lakrismamma." Page 136 Votes Pandain and SouthRawrea. Says we should lynch Zeks to see if BC is innocent or not. Says we should lynch Rastaban next. On July 26 2010 16:51 Misder wrote: ##vote Double Lynch ##vote SouthRawrea ##vote Pandain I'm back. And I read through the entire thread. It confused the heck out of me... my first mafia game wasn't this complicated. >.< Here's my train of thought: SouthRawrea has been lying, and fake claiming. Easy enough. And when he is asked to post PMs, he retypes it. I think that he doesn't know what PM posting looks like, so in order to cover up his made up PMs, he says he retypes it. Pandain has been lying in the PMs. To me, this suggests that he is mafia. Even when he is PMing, he doesn't follow the plans that are given. I don't know anything about PMing in a mafia game, but it seems to be all a mind game. And it seems like Pandain is confusing as many people as possible. I don't feel like BC is mafia. If he is, we can prove it by lynching zeks. This is pretty flawed, but I just have a feeling (I could be completely wrong, in which...) I also think that we should consider lynching rastaban. rastaban's dt is fake; we cannot confirm whether he is lying or that his dt is lying. We lynch rastaban to get this info. Page 153 Pandain's top 4 suspects On July 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote: Top four list(in my opinion) Imo we should look at these user's collection of posts first. In no particular order 1.Misder 2.Pyrr 3.tree hugger 4.Opz Page 156 Divinek suspicious of Misder [QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:22 Divinek wrote: [QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:16 youngminii wrote: [QUOTE]On July 02 2010 07:57 Bill Murray wrote: 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii 4. chaoser 5. divinek 6. rastaban 7. Amber[LighT] 8. pandain 9. ~OpZ~ 10. d3_crescentia 11. Misder 12. Pyrrholuxia 13. Tricode 14. protactinium Out of this list, there are 4 people that I am absolutely sure are town aligned. That leaves 10 people left. By using this double lynch today, there's a 1/5 chance that we hit mafia. It is crucial that we hit at least 1 mafia today because that will lower their KP to 1. If we don't hit any scum today, then there will be 10 people left tomorrow with 3 Mafia and no double lynches. Miss two more times and it's lights out for town. So while it's not GG if we miss today, it doesn't bode well for us at all if they're allowed to keep using their 2 KP. There's a good chance Pandain is mafia and so he's my leading suspect. I propose that we lynch chaoser since he's pretty much next on my list. I know I was wrong about Infundibulum but we don't really have anyone better to lynch (unless you can come up with one), and chaoser was one of Zeks's leading suspects too. Aaaaand with that: ##Vote Pandain ##Vote chaoser[/QUOTE] hm i like you're list this is my modified one taking myself out of course(and the practically and absolutely confirmed greens) but you dont have to believe that, ill have to try to painfully read some of chaosers actual content posts 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 4. chaoser 8. pandain 9. ~OpZ~ 11. Misder 12. Pyrrholuxia 14. protactinium so yeah that's solid odds, im still really suspicious of misder. He still hasnt been saying shit, i might almost think he's a better candidate than chaoser, almost time to read his posts[/QUOTE] Page 157 Divinek and rastaban and I discuss Misder [QUOTE]On July 29 2010 16:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: [QUOTE]On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote: [QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote: [QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote: Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct. I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more. Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.[/QUOTE] please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well[/QUOTE] Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. [/QUOTE] I guess I should take a look at misder; all I have thought about him so far this game is that he helped me get DTA lynched.[/QUOTE] Page 158 Brown Bear votes Misder. First vote on Misder this game? I think so. [QUOTE]On July 30 2010 01:39 BrownBear wrote: In fact, you know what? I'm trusting Pandain on this one. He's given no reason for me to ever think he's mafia, and given that there are millers, I'm going to trust my gamesense over the DT check. Plus, our secret friendship alliance is unbreakable :D ##UNVOTE: PANDAIN ##VOTE: MISDER ##KEEP VOTE ON DIVINEK If he flips miller I shall be vindicated.[/QUOTE] Page 159 Pandain has a new top 4 list. This one omits OPZ and adds Divinek. [QUOTE]On July 30 2010 02:52 Pandain wrote: Also, Opz your right. I was putting you on the list cause' of your general attitutude. But I was just saying we should look at these user's posts, not theyre neccesarily mafia. New top 4 list 1.Misder 2.Divinek 3.Tree.hugger 4.Pyrr. [/QUOTE] Page 159 Pandain votes for Divinek and I. Divinek shoud be lynched first because somehow this will prove Misder's alignment? [QUOTE]On July 30 2010 03:10 Pandain wrote: Hmmm actually I think we shoud lynch divinek. When I'm miller, it will also become alot clearer. Look at the fact that he absolutely refused me to be able to defend myself AT ALL. Also, he accused Misder so if he's mafia I doubt he would accuse him this late in the game. OF course unless he's trying to build himself up for later game(to be trusted pro town.) Plus if he's mafia you know for sure im innocent Though I'm already majority lynched.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On July 30 2010 03:12 Pandain wrote: ##Vote Divinek ##Vote Pyrr We lynch Divinek, we find out whether Misder's innocent or not. [/QUOTE] | ||
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The interactions between Misder and BC make me the most suspicious. BC put Zeks and Misder on a list of two innocent. BC was making all sorts of lists which leads me to believe he was trying to hide mafia in lists although that blew up in his face. Additionally, Misder made a post recounting most of Foolishness's posts but left out Foolishness's vote against BC. Misder also tried to lynch Zeks to prove BC's innocence or guilt somehow, which seems awful. I find it highly unlikely that both Pandain and Misder are mafia. Nevertheless, I find it highly likely that one of them is mafia. We only need one to basically win the game since mafia KP will go to 1. ##vote Misder | ||
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On July 30 2010 04:31 Pandain wrote: Frickin knew it. ##Unvote Divinek ##Vote Amber On July 29 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote: We should have our vets claim like Brownbear wanted lolol Sorry guys fixing connection issues for the past 24 hours :/... not having fun. Reading through the posts during the day now... will vote soon Wouldn't BrownBear be more suspicious for suggesting it? Seems like Amber is just kidding around. | ||
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On July 30 2010 05:05 BrownBear wrote: lolol really? We kill 1 mafia today, it takes mafia 2 night hits to kill a vet. Makes them more or less invincible. Also, every confirmed townie we can get at this point raises our chances, especially big beefy ones that can soak hits. Really, the idiocy of town this game... We want the mafia to waste hits on veterans - this will give us more time to kill mafia. VETS - DO NOT CLAIM. If you are a lynch target, THEN you can claim or go through a mouth or find some way to save yourself. | ||
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Tree.Hugger said he would get caught up but his only post since then was about the same as the post where he said he would get caught up. I know he has been creating live report threads so he has been busy with something. Of course, that something is on this site so you'd think he'd be here more but there is still time for him to come back and he posted only two pages ago. If you have other suspicions about him please recount them. My vibe on Rastaban is nooby being played with by BC. BC saw that town was circling around the DTs and needed a counter claim and I know he always likes to fake claim through green mouths. Luckily town lynched BC first. I still think Misder is our best bet, having defended BC and having been defended by BC. He doesn't have to be around to act in the night if someone else on the team is doing night actions. Even if his inactivity excuse is real, it still hurts town since he might not be around to vote. If you are lynching tree.hugger because he is gone, why aren't you lynching Misder, who has been scarce in the past and is promising to be scarcer in the future? | ||
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On July 30 2010 11:51 d3_crescentia wrote: Is this one of them Mutual Chainsaw Defense (TM) things? I remember this being a really easy trap to fall into when playing as mafia even if you are aware of it. I dunno if BC attacked someone for suspecting Misder; it was more like he got pissed off at someone for suspecting BC because BC wasn't suspecting Misder... | ||
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On July 31 2010 23:12 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Actually...How about this BrownBear and Chaoser were defended and protected enormously by everyone. Need votelist compiled again....-_- I really wish day posts and lynchs were linked to the first page.... Anyway, with knowledge of brownbear and chaoser being defended by players and almost lynched, here's what whoever feels like looking at the lists needs to do. Pandain and Tree.Hugger were town. So. Look at those that Voted for Chaoser and BrownBear. See if BC, Xelin, or South voted for any of them (Maybe not BC, because...well BC mind fucks people). That should possibly exonerate them mildly from suspicion if they are town. Pyrr....Yea...He's been...Where? Doing what? Saying a lot of shit, without saying shit. I remember a good post directed at someone (DTA I believe, but DTA was town). And where the hell did he disappear to then? Misder? I don't recall ANYTHING from him. Protactinium....I remember a few posts.....But nothing worth noting.... All BC, South, and Xe...wait I did Xelin's myself....Okay, BC and Souths posts ought to be anaylzed thoroughly for references to anyone. I believe he criticized Pyrr...But that....again....Is BC..... What do you mean where have I been? I've been posting the whole time. Took like a twelve hour break one day to save a cow's life. Other than that I've been trying to get town to make smart lynches and stop doing stupid things like whine about my inactivity when it's not existent and tree.hugger's "suspicious" "inactivity" when he had posted one page back. Meanwhile, seems like Chaoser and Misder are more inactive and Misder also seems to have more going against him than that. I don't see how you can justify calling my posts "saying a lot of shit, without saying shit." I put my thoughts out in the thread for everyone to see and came to a definite conclusion that I recommended to others. Compare that to this post of yours that I am quoting, where you put out some decent ideas but don't try to make a definite plan out of it. Now our next lynch isn't for over 48 hours so it is fine that you aren't wrapping things up yet. We are in the end game, though, so it is way too late to be basing lynches on inactivity or wishy-washy posting. We have three dead mafia so we should be looking at their interactions directly and indirectly with the living as we both have been trying to do. | ||
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On August 01 2010 09:44 chaoser wrote: I find it strange that pyrr still isn't dead yet even though he's a pretty big name...hmmmm well at this point there are so many people presumed innocent that the mafia will have to focus on all of them. | ||
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On August 01 2010 11:29 Divinek wrote: okay remaining player list 5. chaoser 6. divinek 11. rastaban 16. ~OpZ~ 23. d3_crescentia 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode 29. protactinium based on actual evidence to me it goes down to this 5. chaoser 11. rastaban 16. ~OpZ~ 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 29. protactinium then based on feelings and surface ideas based on what has happened so far it comes down to this 16. ~OpZ~ 26. Pyrrholuxia 29. protactinium sorry that chaoser and rasta arent on my final idea young! but this isnt my sure fire i think these are mafia list, it's just the people that seem most plausable to be red at this point, to me and im sure this list can be off, but i feel quite QUITE strongly there is at least 1 red in there, if not 2. it'd be nice to have people who were eliminated from the original list (ie d3 and tricode) to put their input on this. Don't worry ill back up my narrowing with actual evidence since we have a whopping 48 hours to do nothing but talk uhhh BrownBear is alive. | ||
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On August 01 2010 11:51 Divinek wrote: why do you think they were working together? do you have tangible proof and stuffs of this because it would be nice to see. I think what you're saying has been mentioned before but it'd be nice to see the actual posts explaining it see bottom of page 159 top of page 160 | ||
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On August 01 2010 14:32 Tricode wrote: ##Vote Rastaban He knew BC was going to die so I think he just added crap to keep him/her self alive and suspicion off him as if he/she were a good towny and made a lame ass fake post with fake messages. The writing just doesn't seem like BC from how long I have known him. They lack his intellectual language and there are just some things I just never seen him write. Though there is still a chance i could be wrong about this, either case I believe those pm's are fake and the time in which he tried to help get BC killed didn't really do much of a push to get BC killed. If they are on a mafia team together I would think BC would have wrote up fake PMs for him. And BC could always have wrote weirdly so this seems wifom to me. They seemed like BC to me, so I dunno. | ||
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On August 02 2010 07:44 Divinek wrote: i still find it very interesting how sub died cause the only people that knew about him were pandain, and proct (i still hate you for telling people you didnt confirm sub). Though i suppose pandain probably slipped up enough info to make it obvious who the dt was, aya. and pandain flipped town and proct was never actually checked. Though it took subversion what a whole extra night after he was discovered to die? surprisingly this doesnt make me that much more suspicious of proct really, it just makes me want to pray sub doesnt get dt again quiiiite interesting. Sub claimed blue in thread to avoid lynch so I'm sure mafia would go after him unless they thought he might be veteran. | ||
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On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote: I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover. i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover) and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr! never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not? I think this does make BB look innocent - no reason for mafia to have a public debate over this. When I criticized BB over his plan I was thinking from the perspective of the end game where we want mafia to waste hits on veterans. I suppose even then the plan could have been part of a ploy to out the veterans and avoid hitting them but if this was the mafia's plan they would have used their most persuasive player to do it (BC) rather than putting him against it. | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:04 ~OpZ~ wrote: No....BC would of PUSHED for Vets to claim. Because he would of been DT checked as Vet...And he would be the one more likely to be DT checked...Lol Well BC would have had to try to fight against the plan and have his plan fail, otherwise the suspicion that he was GF would be too high Wifom, so just my opinion. If BC had done that, I'd be suspicious because I know BC but that's how I would assume BC would handle that plan / situtation. | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: No....BrownBear can be pretty influential. Your idea here is crappy. And probably going to get me to vote for you. Here is the issue. BC would not pursue this plan because he had himself appearing to be a veteran. So him making that plan would be kind of fail. BrownBear is actually a regular at this game and is a lot better of a player than he has been this game.... I don't trust you, and you are making someone who sat near death look innocent. I'm finding the votes now, I finally got Firefox running on the desktop. Are you responding mostly to me or divinek here? I do agree that BC would probably not pursue this plan; my thoughts the last few posts have been about "IF BC did this how would he do it?" | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: I was responding to you. And for knowing BC so well, you seemed to of failed at catching him as GF. Analyze me Pyrr. I don't have THAT many posts. So please, do something benificial to the town. I'd really prefer you do BrownBear, seeing as you think he's town aligned. Him or Chaoser. Well was BB checked by a DT or not? I saw he posted himself as "confirmed townie" but maybe he just meant from his point of view he is a confirmed townie. | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: I was responding to you. And for knowing BC so well, you seemed to of failed at catching him as GF. Analyze me Pyrr. I don't have THAT many posts. So please, do something benificial to the town. I'd really prefer you do BrownBear, seeing as you think he's town aligned. Him or Chaoser. Went pretty well against BC and Xelin so that seems pretty innocent although you yourself said BC was bussed and Xelin was gonna die soon anyways since he turned out to be suicide bomber. Haven't gone through half of your posts since I am watching Stork but that is my first impression. | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:38 Tricode wrote: Note: Rastaban hasn't posted since pg. 161 and to add the only posts he makes are all about Tree.Hugger. Lol just read that post I must have skipped over it before. This was some pretty good analysis by him; no one should have voted tree.hugger after reading this. Why did you vote Tree.Hugger, OpZ? | ||
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On August 02 2010 14:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: Why did you vote for Citizen? I thought it was more likely that citi.zen was the fake claimer and I liked tree.hugger analysis. Then when it was revealed he was lying it seemed even more shady to me. | ||
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On August 02 2010 14:33 BrownBear wrote: I don't see the pyrr/me connection. When did that happen? We both voted for citi.zen. Also divinek and I commented that you seemed innocent for calling for the veteran claim plan when BC was a gf hiding as veteran. | ||
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On August 03 2010 02:10 Misder wrote: I never had any specific connection to BC. The only thing I can recall is BC claiming that I was townie, but he also did that with zeks the Mad Hatter. Then I didn't want to vote BC on Day 4, but I wasn't the only one tricked by him + I voted for SouthRawrea the mafia. You made a post recounting almost everything Foolishness said, leaving out his suspicions and ultimate vote for BC. Plus you didn't vote for him Day 4. Plus BC tried to establish you and zeks as innocent, except (unlike Zeks) people had a lot of reasons to be suspicious of you already and called out BC for calling you likely green. | ||
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On August 03 2010 05:45 Protactinium wrote: At least there are more pages to read now. I'm typing up one of my long posts, and it's going to take me an hour or two... For now though, I'm going to ##Vote: Pyrrhuloxia I'm somewhat baffled that he has stayed alive this long. Through this game Mafia have wanted to kill big names early on to prevent town unity. The fact that Pyrrhuloxia remains alive is thus slightly intriguing, but it could be another layer of WiFOM. However, please do note that I am suspicious of Chaoser. He posted more than 24 hours saying he would be back, and if he's on the east coast it's almost 5:00 p.m. I just don't want to vote for him now since that'd place him very close to majority. Typing longer post. You gotta be kidding me. How would killing me help prevent town unity? We have confirmed townies laying around that the mafia HAVE to kill first. Not to mention that many of the remaining players have never played a game with me before (yourself included, I think?). Look at how many blues are dead - it's clear their priorities were blue sniping over names. And then they HAVE to kill off circle people and confirmed townies so they have people like me who can recieve votes. It is absolutely WiFOM and you even admit this so why vote over something "slightly intriguing." I guess I better look over Chaoser since y'all are totally ignoring Misder somehow. | ||
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On August 03 2010 06:03 Divinek wrote: how do you feel about chaoser? i mean yeah it was a save yourself vote but what are some true beliefs you have about him so far, as he seems quite a prime suspect at this point based on the votes alone Bad voting record. A lot of spam but I don't count that as a tell. | ||
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On August 03 2010 07:26 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2010 04:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: D3 had to of been hit by mafia. Stop throwing suspicion onto him. Tricode had ONE hit. He used it on BC. So d3 was med procted by roffles of sinquity. D3 is Town aligned, and you are most likely mafia or can't understand that mafia never stack hits day one. They only stack when they KNOW they are going to hit someone that is important. Hate to break it to you. Anyway, I'm more certain about some things now. Everyone, check your PMs. Upper left corner. I'm not throwing suspicion on d3, I was just wondering. Thats why I said that he was town aligned as the consensus, and I just wanted to know why. I got a PM from Pandain? Is that of importance? + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2010 05:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: You made a post recounting almost everything Foolishness said, leaving out his suspicions and ultimate vote for BC. Plus you didn't vote for him Day 4. Plus BC tried to establish you and zeks as innocent, except (unlike Zeks) people had a lot of reasons to be suspicious of you already and called out BC for calling you likely green. I thought I went through every single post that day. I'm sorry I didn't get everything. citi,zen already corrected me on my mistake; i get it. I wasn't the only one who didn't vote for BC. And even BB said that he almost didn't vote for him even after being very very against him. No one was suspicious of me until like 2 days ago... BC called zeks innocent. Just look at that. BC didn't know that zeks was the mad hatter that time. But hes a smart mafia player. If we had lynched BC before, we would have wasted a double lynch on lyching zeks the mad hatter and me the townie. Anyways, I'm taking my vote off of rastaban. My original suspicion was based on BC-rastaban pms an that I thought that BC made up a PM list for rastaban to send. But now that I think about it, it really does seem like rastaban is just a puppet. Its still smart on BC's part, and rastaban is making good analysis on chaoser, which I agree with. And the story fits in the overall picture. ##Unvote rastaban ##Vote pyrr Im voting for pyrr for four reasons. 1. his push on lynching DTA. It was he who started the bandwagon. People already was suspicious of DTA of his weird behavior, but it wasn't like he seemed mafia like. pyrr the mafia knew this, and it was a simple way to lynch a veteran (as in plays the game mafia a lot) without being suspicious. 2. DTA said to lynch him. 3. He himself is a veteran (at the game). He was kind of invisible throughout the game besides the lynching of DTA. 4. His voting sequence has been DTA, DTA, citi.zen, Pandain, Misder. 3 of these are dead townies, and I know I am a townie. 1. DTA had to be lynched and if you remember correctly YOU started the day 2 bandwagon on him because my post about DTA started with me quoting YOUR post against him using Foolishness's posts (which also left out posts about BC). 2. And how was youngminii's list? More townies than reds at this point. Who knows what DTA would think if he was still in the game - we have to play from what we know now. 3. I have been active the entire game. 4. 3/4 of them had been caught lying: DTA soft claiming blue (I realize some of you don't agree with this, tough), Citizen claiming blue, now you trying to say about DTA "it wasn't like he seemed mafia like" when you were the first to vote against him day 2 - refusing responsibility for your own role and trying to push it all on to me. Pandain flipped red. | ||
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On August 03 2010 09:05 Divinek wrote: since you voted brown bear that brings up an interesting quote of his that i remembered seems like someone talking who knows more than a townie would I agree, but is it because he is in mafia, or because he was in town circle? | ||
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I am + Show Spoiler + townie Please, please, please vote Misder tomorrow. | ||
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On August 03 2010 10:02 Divinek wrote: so day ends at 10:38 according to 24 hours after bms post so in the interest of throwing a vote around ##unvote ##vote brownbear Lol guess not... or maybe I am? Depends on what BM chooses as deadline I thought it was 10:00 :/ | ||
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On August 03 2010 10:12 Divinek wrote: well that's the thing, the most specific thing we've got is 24 hours at 10:38 so in all reasonable reason that should be the end time, because that's exactly what he's said and he didnt specify otherwise and he didnt set the time and say it would be unchanging, otherwise that is EXTREMELY unfair to town in situations such as these where people do all kinds of last minute flan dangling and such so i think the only reasonable thing to do would be to end the day at 10:38 seems good to me | ||
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On August 03 2010 10:13 Divinek wrote: and really if you dont believe in chaoser you just need to convince one more person to vote bb and then move your vote pyrr lolol but i might actually be happy with chaoser dying just to satiate then unrelenting spirit of young, and he's hungry for blood I am loathe to switch my vote so late because I can't say with any certainty that chaoser is innocent and I don't want to save a red at this point. My number one target is Misder. My number two target at this point is OpZ. I don't like how he's begging for scrutiny to come upon him. From a town point of view, it seems to me that you wouldn't want to bring suspicion upon the one person you know is town when things are getting down to the wire. It's distracting and it seems like a red who has been under the radar all game bragging and trying to solidify his towniness. Number 3 I'd guess is whoever blew open the town circle. I'm guessing one of these "confirmed" townies that isn't actually confirmed. I'd guess BrownBear or rastaban. Someone earlier said BrownBear had never been in a circle, I just assumed he had been since he seemed to be close to Pandain and youngminii (trusted Pandain enough to think him miller). That trust does scummy in retrospect. Rastaban did strike me as a nooby tooled by BC, but some people were writing him in as confirmed or semi-confirmed and perhaps he got some info that way. So if chaoser is mafia, then either OpZ is innocent or maybe mafia got insanely lucky with blue sniping. Or something really weird where one of our claiming blues is actually red and the real blue has stuidply remained silent. We may as well ignore that notion at this point. | ||
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On August 03 2010 11:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...I'm just saying...Holy fuck...I'm thinking the scum are the inactive jerks at this point. Seriously, I would pick the most scum appearing townie, AND BLAST HIM. It's probably me. I'm innocent. Go look me up past games. I'm literally shocked I've not gotten decently accused all game. Sorry for pointing out that I would of found myself shockingly scummy. Rastaban is in no way confirmed to me. Read my posts with the vote counts. I argue EVERYONE. And Pyrr, I've stated I have the perfect defense for anyone coming at me saying I'm mafia. Now...I'm wont mind BrownBear or Chaoser being lynched. They were both almost lynched before...Anyone almost lynched thats still alive is extremely suspicious to me. Lol you keep saying we should blast you? How am I supposed to react to that? And what is this supposed perfect defense seeing as I consider you my number two at this point? | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:06 Bill Murray wrote: day ended at 10 kst wtf | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:14 Bill Murray wrote: can you all please start unvoting? i'm going to let it slide this time sorry, didn't see unvoting in the rules | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:47 chaoser wrote: Wait seriously? I'm modkilled? why? I figured unvote=abstain, it's happened previously in the game hasn't it? Makes sense to me... you've been totally active there's no reason to ban for inactivity I think. | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote: Darkness falls across TL Land The midnight hour is close at hand Creatures crawl in search of blood To terrorize y’awl’s neighborhood And whosoever shall be found Without the soul for getting down Must stand and face the hounds of judgement And rot by a hanging rope The foulest stench is in the air The funk of four whole days and nights And malicious mobsters from every street Are closing in to seal your doom And though they fight to stay alive Your body starts to shiver For no mere mortal can resist The evil of the Killer meh Jaedong is way scarier | ||
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On August 03 2010 14:47 Qatol wrote: I don't think you should be modkilled and I definitely don't think you should be banned. I always thought unvote = abstain as well. I can't stop BM from modkilling you if that's what he wants to do, but I don't think any other host will ban you for this, so don't worry about a ban. Yeah I meant modkill. Definitely not ban. | ||
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On August 04 2010 07:41 BrownBear wrote: I'm guessing this evening. He got some 'splaining to do He doesn't need to explain anything, really. Just back off and let him run his game. If he makes the post tonight let's just keep playing without whining since getting on his nerves is not gonna make anything better. If the game doesn't go the way any of us want, there will be new games soon. | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:24 Pandain wrote: Agreed. I want proctat to have my babies and then go to subversion and claim they are his. Didn't rastaban and south both claiming they got pms from you mean you were sure to be lynched though? Also, that was amazing acting there looked legit. I have to say, I think the Xelin attack really saved the mafia. yeah we were thinking about quitting until Xelin's super chain reaction of awesome | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:45 citi.zen wrote: I actually think the mafia played badly. They won for a far simpler reason: the town was terrible. Yea we really effed up the role claiming stuff but it was sorta necessary given the setup. | ||
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On August 05 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I was on so many peoples red lists, sucked hard, more surprising I wasn't killed sooner. I didn't even want the gf position either, I wanted regular goon and to give gf to pyrr, but everyone thought I should have it early on so i just took it. I thought you'd be more likely to be checked since I'd been gone a while. | ||
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On August 05 2010 07:55 flamewheel wrote: Hahaha Foolishness had you day one. When you guys killed him, nobody even batted an eye. I felt kind of sad though because this game was run for Foolishness. Stay alive in XXX buddy o/ Also let's BW more okay? Yes, lucky that Misder left that out of his Foolishness recap so I could use that against him later. | ||
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On August 05 2010 08:09 Bill Murray wrote: you're welcome, bro thanks for thanking me.. also thank you to the players, and flamewheel, ver, qatol, etc. for putting up with my stupidity as a mod It's okay man. None of the things I was worried about were permanent and it all turned out great in the end. For mafia anyway . | ||
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On August 05 2010 08:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep note of the bottom left box + caption beside it. I laughed so hard at this picture you have no idea aw man me too that was classic (think I linked it to you in MSN, BC?) | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:28 d3_crescentia wrote: 'cept Pyrr is some super-secret-special-awesome mysterious VETERAN FROM THE DISTANT MAFIA PAST. Time to compare vote lists. This made me feel like some kinda really badass James Bond-ish character Doesn't match this moment though: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2009 15:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Oh ho ho! You haven't seen the last of me! ![[image loading]](http://files.getdropbox.com/u/51715/image.jpg) I'm so happy to be accepting the Redtooth Award for Most Brilliant Mafia Ever! Thank you first to the sponsors, Heinz Ketchup! I'd also like to thank my mafia team, especially Bockit! With your help, and the help of many other key unknowing players, even an army of zombies, beings from outside this realm, and God himself couldn't stop us! Plexa must have confirmed half the town as green and thrown a million other unexpected obstacles our way, but after destroying Truthbringer on Day 2 he started writing the clues to fit innocent people perfectly and not fit us at all so it sorta evens out (who the hell is Mr. Julia anyway? Chezinu I guess? At various times I thought chaoser or maybe me...). I'd also like to thank Plexa for ending the game so I can finally be at peace without worrying about this game 24/7. Now excuse me while I crotch dance around the room! | ||
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On August 05 2010 09:14 Amber[LighT] wrote: Lesson learned: Pyrr should always die first. | ||
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On August 05 2010 12:04 Ace wrote: meh, I just think if given the choice I'd rather take a 1 shot vigilante over a hatter any day. Way stronger and more useful since they can confirm themselves without dying. I'm with you. I really believed most of the stuff I said about killing DTA even if he was hatter because he would just end up killing innocents. Turns out the hatter was Zeks, but I was right about the Hatter doing more harm than good. | ||
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On August 08 2010 15:30 Ace wrote: What did BC do during Day 1 that was so scummy? I wasn't really trying to pick out who was scum but I surely didn't notice anything that gave off signals. He seemed a little high on the "don't trust me" to me but I dunno I think he does that as innocent too. | ||
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