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On July 15 2010 08:14 SiNiquity wrote: lol.. no. For a general idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game) Thats what I thought. I have played simple versions of it at home. But then why are people talking about infested terrans and dts? | ||
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 . Also, I assume I don't tell anyone my role, right? | ||
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On July 17 2010 11:50 Divinek wrote: 4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game. fuuuuck, then what do you do when you realize your life is meaningless in a crime ridden, police nonexistant world? | ||
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also, are we supposed to go anywhere, like an irc or something? | ||
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On July 17 2010 13:15 rastaban wrote: [*]Suicide Bomber - this is the role we really want to lynch early because until it is eliminated, any claiming at all can be disastrous seeing we can't setup medic protection without risking the medic as well. Now.... even though I'm Muslim....  Edit: Also, its a rp game? even better.... | ||
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4 dead in Mafia Hit Pandain knew 3 of those people...And as the blood begain to boil and his mind began to mastermind, he remembered that simple, unforgettable fact.... It was one of us. Pandain began to lock his doors, and observe. For what else can we do? And Pandain began to hatch a plan, but first he required some info........ | ||
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On July 17 2010 14:27 youngminii wrote: GAAAAAAAAAAME STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART! Youngmini? I only trust you.... Let's ally! We can trust no one else in this hideous gotham of a city. | ||
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On July 17 2010 15:02 DarthThienAn wrote: [DarthThienAn inserts useful comment here] Your mafia? Ooooh.... | ||
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On July 17 2010 15:26 Bill Murray wrote: hes not playing 3rd times a charm? haha if that. Hopin for 5th | ||
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I do this because he put himself on the suscpicisiion list, and I think he's just trying to trick us into thinking that he's not mafia because he put himself under suspicion. | ||
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On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. Yeah I think we should lynch, just because isn't the mafia going to kill one of us by the next day? Then again, I'd feel horrible if I lynched a good person. I might abstain, but I'll have to see both sides first. I'll decide later. | ||
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On July 18 2010 10:51 Divinek wrote: I actually have to really agree now that this has been pointed out. This is his first and only post, and it is posted in a manner to perhaps put himself just above the threshold of inactivity. And he then votes for someone for contributing and trying to help the town too much. Not to mention the post he's quoting as his 'reason' for voting is the very one that points out his own activity. Perhaps we can then put some more pressure on his inactive ass to give us any more substance. ##unvote ##vote hyperbola Hmmm... I actually agree. I mean, I wasn't sure about lynching Bloody Cobbler anyway. ###Unvote ### Vote Hyperbola | ||
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On July 18 2010 16:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Actually, until those 5 people explain themselves. ##unvote ##vote pandain You get the vote as the third - fourth voter of most bandwagons turns out to be red. Convince me your legit, or stop being retarded and ill move my vote. Aww  . I had unvoted you too.You see, I had originally voted you but wasn't completely sure. What Sinquity said about Hyperola I found persuasive. His first post is accusing Sinquity of being Mafia based on the sole fact his post was long. Now, what more of a baseless accusation can there be? Now I'm new here, but I found that deeply disturbing when it had been pointed out. Now, after 4 of us have voted against him, what does he do? Hrm. Exactly what scum would do. Starting a bandwagon against me when I've accused one of their operatives. Here he is, still trying to accuse poor Sinquity of being a mafia based on his original "evidence" of "His post was too long." I just find his actions all in all highly questionable, and at the very least want such a baseless accusing person out of the game. | ||
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On July 18 2010 16:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thing is, he did call someone out, which explains why that person voted him, it also could explain another person voting for him. BUT 5 people total voting for someone based on day 1 activity on a weekend with little to no real discussion going on makes a bandwagon insanely bad idea. IF he flips town, those original bandwagoners are going to get owned by town for the bad play, or ignored all game for being stupid and potentially lose us said game. I appreciate where you are coming from, and well, its not bad in principle and if this had been posted day 2 or after I would fully endorse the action, but bandwagons day 1 are insanely anti town, especially when based on such a lack of information to discuss. Hmm good point, and I see where you are coming from. Point of information though, I believe I was only the 3rd person who voted for hyperbola. In fact, I had missed the original post calling out Hyperola and only when the other guy quoted it did I see it, find it reasonable, and decide to change my vote. However, I still find his statements to be at the very least questionable, and to quote a more expirenced than I mafia member: On July 18 2010 16:16 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: 3. We should be using our day 1 lynch to kill someone who is being STUPID. This way we either kill a stupid townie (a burden) or a stupid mafia (yay!) . If you could provide sufficient persuasion arguing in favor of being ultra cautious and countering his statement, I would consider changing my mind to abstaining. | ||
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On July 18 2010 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I don't view hyperbola's play to be stupid actually. Not in comparison to a few other players I can think of thus far this game Divinek, zeks, and opz come to mind. Re read their posts to see why. Hmm... very interesting. *strokes chin* Well just to clear up possible misconceptions, basically the main reason I'm voting Hyperbola is because not only did he accuse Sinquity of mafia based on horrible evidence, he CONTINUED with it. Even after it was plainly proven that his evidence his horrible. now, I AM starting to think that he may just be stupid, in which case in light of INfuNdiBuLuMs most recent post may still be justifiable for voting. INfuNdiBuLuM, please clarify on this? Now, looking at Divinek's post in which he originally joined the vote against hyperola, we see HIS evidence: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 10:51 Divinek wrote: I actually have to really agree now that this has been pointed out. This is his first and only post, and it is posted in a manner to perhaps put himself just above the threshold of inactivity. And he then votes for someone for contributing and trying to help the town too much. Not to mention the post he's quoting as his 'reason' for voting is the very one that points out his own activity. Perhaps we can then put some more pressure on his inactive ass to give us any more substance. ##unvote ##vote hyperbola Note the bolded section, which is the basis of my evidence, and the italizied section, which is his. I do not so much agree at all with the italized section, merely distraught at Hyperolas actions so far. Hyperbola, you may clarify as well your reasoning against Sinquity. Now, until he offers more reasons why he's making these baseless accusations, or you offer evidence that it would be better NOT to lynch him due to his actions(I'm open to changing my vote of course if persuaded), my vote stands. | ||
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On July 18 2010 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I don't view hyperbola's play to be stupid actually. Not in comparison to a few other players I can think of thus far this game Divinek, zeks, and opz come to mind. Re read their posts to see why. Hmm, opz is definitely stupid. On July 18 2010 03:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote: Chaoser He's mafia. Also, other mafia, = Darth, and Infundiblum. Trust me. But at the same time that could just mean he's mafia too or thats (bad) sarcasm. Another post: On July 18 2010 16:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote BC -_- I have never liked your writing style from any game. From my perspective it makes perfect sense BC. But I guess it would only make sense to me....Lolz Stupid too, accusing more people. Either mafia, really stupid, or really really bad sarcasm/jokes. As for the other two people, Divinek isn't neccesarily stupid. He has evidence, maybe his points are a bit off, but he's not the malicious stupid(mafia alert!) like Opz or Hyperbola is. As for zeks, why so is he stupid? He's made short posts, but if you think he's stupid because he voted hyperola, still sort of flimsy. He very well could be, so perhaps zeks too should clarify why he voted Hyperbola. Defend yourself Zeks or Die! | ||
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On July 18 2010 17:34 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: My thoughts: hyperbola is prolly just a quick trigger townie; I'd think a mafia would be too skittish to CONTINUE with it, especially when voting is so thin at this point. Mafia wouldn't have to be desperate as of now. Townie or red, hyperbola is obviously desperate now, with so many votes against him. But the desperation started and caused the bandwagon (according to Pandain). When the hyperbola bandwagon started, voting was evened out so there wouldn't be a need for mafia to bandwagon on someone. Mafia don't really tend to bandwagon anyone day one, at least they don't start the first bandwagon. They might start a second bandwagon to save someone's ass. Doesn't really help prove anyone innocent but I think hyperbola's behavior could be townie and the voting against him could be townie too. In better words, neither action really stick out at me as suspicious but no one's exonerated. Maybe if a team of people desperately work to save him there could be something going on. I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else. Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar. At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move. Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. ##unvote ##vote DarthTheinAn Wait what? I thought he was joking? Why would somone honestly want to maximize deaths? | ||
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I can't believe I might've let you trick me like that! :'(. *sobs* | ||
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On July 19 2010 01:19 Divinek wrote: hm @BC when you ask for my reason for voting for hyperbola it is clearly stated in my post voting for him lol, beyond that it forced him to post what one more time? for a grand total of 2 posts? id still call that almost inactive, so while we have people with 0 posts i figure getting a few extra votes in him for pressure is good for information when he makes such a stupid post sure it could likely be a bad townie just throwing around baseless accusations but it could also be a retarded red just doing something without thinking. So im kinda worried that either BC doesnt know how to read or he's playing very sketchy to me and overly defending someone with two posts who has made them both pretty poorly? and then tree hugger goes on again to say we had no reason blah blah i could say we have a reason and look i didnt post any substance either. i gave valid justification for my vote, which has probably more backing than most votes in this thread. He's the best target for me since he's been just active enough to be considered not inactive and his initial posts were retarded, i usually find that to be good enough for the RVS. i think that even if he ends up town based on the quality and lack of his posts so far it'd be better for town if he died anyway, i havent seen to much in the light of better candidates yet but when you guys vote for people ill be sure to not quote the reason and say you had no reason too  Well I think BC is just being cautios, that's all. I mean he did bring up a good point(intentionally or unintentionally) in that Opz could very well be more mafia-esque than Hyperbola. However, now one of the reasons I am sticking with Hyperbola is that I don't want Darth hanged lol | ||
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On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote: Alright guys take a breather... sheesh. Especially you Divinek: You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back. Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often? I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay? Hmm... I was actually considering unvoting you if Darth was going to be safe. But this just changed my mine. To quote an earlier post by you, in which you were (seeming to) defend your voting of Sinquity: On July 18 2010 12:23 Hyperbola wrote: Hrm. Exactly what scum would do. Starting a bandwagon against me when I've accused one of their operatives. And SiNiquity, you took your time to write another rather lengthy post against me. I'm quite flattered but this is quite suspicious in my book. You almost seem on edge and unload the big guns on a random passerby on the street who looked you the wrong way. And as a semi-legitimate defense: I'm quite quiet in all of my games. Yes I have been mafia in some but I've also had my fair share of green and blue roles. You've picked the wrong person to act as your scapegoat bucko. Note the italized section. When compared to your most recent post, it just doesn't make sense. Instead of saying "Oh lol, dw I was jk," you actually defend yourself. The bolded section could be a ill-placed attempt at continuing the joke, but the italized section just shows that you were trying to defend your voting of Sinquity. So in my eyes, you were going to go as long as you could trying to get people to vote Sinquity but now that you are in danger of being lynched, you try to pass it off as a joke. If you your second post had indeed been "Oh lol, dw I was jk" I would have unvoted you. Now it's just too sketchy to let you off the hook. Other People's thoughts? | ||
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On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote: Alright guys take a breather... sheesh. Especially you Divinek: You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back. Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often? I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay? I'd like to elaborate on this more, in fact. I will be supporting my view via the use of italized and bolded sections of previoius posts, which I love to do(in case you haven't found out.) Note the bolded section(XD). Despite the fact that he is trying to pass off his two posts accusing Sinquity as a joke(one of them defending the previous post)*, he still accuses Divenek despite the fact that I believe Divenek was on the right side this time. After all, Hyperbola did just accuse Sinquity of being mafia based on the fact he was "contributing too much", and then Hyperbola continued to defend that. In every post Hyperbola has made so far, it has (at least slightly) accused someone. + Show Spoiler + Note the underlined section. Now, this may be getting too far in(probably), but might as well as Mafia is incredibally psychologically centered. Spill the beans? Why did you have to hide it? Note: I have decided to spoiler this as this is the weakest of these points and thus should only be used as subtle observation, in no way to be used as a valid reason to lynch him. I just find Hyperbola's posts these games to be highly questionable. This post in no way is even my main points, you can view the previous pages as to why I voted Hyperbola. Please look them over and decide for yourselves. And of course, if you have an opposing viewpoint, please share. Lynching is a final decision, there is no turning back after. | ||
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On July 19 2010 03:41 youngminii wrote: @ Pandain: It's normal for people to defend themselves. I do it, Barack Obama does it, and you do it. Except Hypberola just said he was "joking" all along. Why would he defend himself then? | ||
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On July 19 2010 05:17 DarthThienAn wrote: ebwop: did I say YellowInk? I think I meant youngminii. lol. Anyway, later all. Probably be back after the vote. Hope you guys don't kill me. Death Post: + Show Spoiler + Townie What does death post mean? | ||
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On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: + Show Spoiler + Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti! I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote: ###Vote: Hyperbola On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote: Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case? Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote: We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote: ##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote: Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote: playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace Wait I'm not one of them? Even though I've been rallying against you hardcore? I feel so special n.n But really, even though this list may be helpful later, I could add you to the list and make it the strongest case. It's just without a strong anti-lynch group, one of us has to be lynched. And unfortunately, jokes like yours can be taken too seriously to be left alone. Even if your not mafia, at least you're probably not a blue(based on your posts). | ||
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On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... Haha, know what you mean. I'm torn too. However, I'm leaning towards trying to get out by "showing a last act of goodness" to convince others he wasn't mafia all along. All I know is that if he isn't mafia I'm going to be a sad panda. | ||
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For he had just killed an innocent man. Pandain had learned one thing from the monstrosity, and that was to not jump to conclusions. Pandain would go back into the shadows, noting words, once in a while making acute observations. But never again would his actions lead to the death of an innocent, a friendly, the man by the name Hyperbola." | ||
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I'll be making a long epic post containing my thoughts in case I get killed tonight. | ||
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I forgive you.  Dog's doing way better now(weird). Just reread the rules, and am I right that the DT has as long as the twilight post to pm the host and say who they want to check. If so, I HIGHLY suggest them to check youngmini. He's definitely going to be active and I have to say, has been playing (at least) strange. Of course, I'm still giving Youngmini the benefit of the doubt just because we are in a secret friendship alliance, and why would he lie in a secret friendship alliance? But just in case, I would suggest the DT to check them. | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:08 DarthThienAn wrote: lol. Just doing my job ^^. On another note, I think Hyberbola was Godfather, so he flipped green... I mean, BM didn't officially say that he was a townie in the night post. :D:D:D But he died. And the host said he was innocent. | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:33 SiNiquity wrote: No, that's what I was saying. The final vote count was 6-5. BM miscounted (attributed Jaymee's vote to Amber instead of youngminii) Hmm... also add to this that I had expressed doubts about Hyperbola. It's possible they just wanted to be sure due to the fact that it was possible youngmini was going to be lynched. This, of course, assumes that They Knew Hyperbola was not mafia. They WERE mafia. They knew Youngmini was not mafia. And Finally, believed that Youngmini had a chance of being lynched. (Italicized because if any of them are true, they are ALL true) Of the two who voted for Hypterbola (Brownbear and Bumat Large), I would say brownbear is the mroe likely. BumatLarge's post:Look! I can change the text! is far more long and detailed than BB's. Finally, his post seems more pro town than mafia(of course he could be lying. Dang this game is hard.) Compare this with BB's post, which as others have noted is very suscipious and fallible. A WARNING TO ALL THOSE WHO WOULD BANDWAGON: Let us not forget the tragedy of Hyperbola. I was one of those who jumped on him for a seemingly bad post. It is as likely as Hyperbola's that BB's post was taken out of context/missing information relavant. Just as Hyperbola's post was actually joking, BB could have followed this thread the whole time and merely missed one page or so. If he felt he was in danger of being modkilled, he justifiably could have quickly voted for Hyperbola since the previous pages had led him to believe that he was the mafia. Friends, let us use calm, analyatical data, not quick rash accusations. Let us divine from the words of everyone here, factor in every piece of evidence. If your going to vote for BB, be sure, very sure. | ||
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Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740578 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5747605http://www.teamliqhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749524uid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749520http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5750215 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5752728 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5754219[/url post_id=5755140]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755140 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5758069 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5761145 BrownBear + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5612556 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205 Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler + This was harder than I thought . Oh well. | ||
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On July 20 2010 09:35 DarthThienAn wrote: TL has a search function that we can use to do that Pandain :p Yeah I know I just figure it would be alot easier. But your're right, why do ALL this is you could just take 5 minutes and do it yourself. Add to that that I would have to update it every few pages or so. | ||
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On July 20 2010 10:50 Roffles wrote: You know, I gotta say that this filter function does do wonders in Mafia. Too bad I'm like one of the only people who gets it in here. =( What's the filter function? | ||
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But wow foolishness was killed. Did not see that coming. At least hes town. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:25 BrownBear wrote: Sweet, everyone thinks I'm red. Just a couple things: Roffles - your reason for saying I should be a target is because I haven't helped town at all. If I start contributing, by your logic you will no longer be gunning for me, correct? Actually, same question goes to everyone. My plan is to be more active today and contribute. If that's going to stop people from starting a bandwagon on me, that's all well and good. If everyone is dead set on lynching me, though, then 2 things: I'm not even going to bother, and you all seriously need to reevaluate your playstyles. Unless everyone lynchinig you is the mob! + Show Spoiler + Da da da | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:35 BrownBear wrote: Not what I meant. What I meant was, if I stop making a bunch of shitty posts and play like the townie that I am, and people decide to lynch me anyway, they aren't playing well. Learn to read before jumping on people under suspicion, it really doesn't help their case. Note the bolded part. Hmmm.... seems just a bit reaching for straws there. Just doesn't sound right. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate. | ||
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On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote: Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler + If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. | ||
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Chaosers vote for day 1 : On July 19 2010 00:50 chaoser wrote: ##vote abstain for now, didn't want to get modkilled For now, he says. Implying he's going to change it later. Now as I think it's been pretty implied that abstaining was the worse decision, just has vibes of mafia in it. Then look at this, a later post. On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote: It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it? What the fuck? You've just majorly contradicted yourself. Especially since you never changed your vote from abstain. Just to note this for the future, in case it turns out that BB was innocent. On July 19 2010 09:05 chaoser wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:36 BrownBear wrote: My bad, didn't realize you could abstain. Should have done that, but at this point it's not like it really matters :/ So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? In addition, you yourself disagree with your own vote. I find that suscipious. On July 19 2010 22:44 chaoser wrote: Voting ended at 10:10 Subversion votes for Hyperbola at 9:16 - "No other clear choice" zeks unvotes Hyperbola, abstains at 8:58 - "Unvote like I promised" Misder unvotes Hyperbola, votes for LaXerCannon at 8:38 - "His posts don't have substance" Fooliahness votes for BC at 8:25 - "Bad vibes" Jayme unvotes Hyperbola, votes Youngminii at 7:53 - "Youngminii has is crazy sketch" BrownBear votes for Hyperbola at 6:30 - "oops mistake, didn't know you could absain, oh well, nothing I can do now." Those were the votes of people in the last 4 hours, starting with BrownBear's vote for Hyperbola Just putting the info out there One of his few posts that appear to help the town. However, even with this it is incredibaly skewed. As Zeks said right after this, he's picking out the choice words. In addition, note the italizied part. Possibly still trying to bandwagon BB. When pointed out by Zeks, he links back to each post but still, the original post is still in suspect. Perhaps he just decided to link to cover up the fact he was leading everyone astray. On July 20 2010 23:02 chaoser wrote: And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes. I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? Damn boi, you really hate brownbear don't you? Spoilering this as I do with most of my posts, because this is the weakest point and very easily just a coinicidence. + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote: Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12? So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 End result: BrownBear - 5 DarthThienAn - 3 Subversion - 3 Very possible that he just wanted to quote the votes at this specific time so then people checking in will be like "Hey, look at that brownbear. People think he's mafia!" Finally, this last post is very interesting. It can be taken to mean alot of different things. On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that. Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion After rallying so much against BB, he decides to vote subversion? As other people have mentioned, it is very possible for mafia to start to incite a bandwagon against someone and then just slip out once its started. + Show Spoiler + Special thought just for funsies: Chaoser also mentioned the double lynch. It is entirely possible the mafia wants us to use double lynch on both of these people. I was originally agianst BB, but it just seems to me that Chaoser is way for suscipious. With that, I hereby vote. ###Vote Chaoser. Other people's thoughts? | ||
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 ) On July 21 2010 06:53 Pandain wrote: Just to note this for the future, in case it turns out that BB was innocent. When I say "just in case BB is innocent." I am saying that chaoser was the one who started the bandwagon. | ||
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On July 21 2010 07:10 chaoser wrote: lol, I'mma straight out respond to that. I got a pm from BM saying please vote, I voted by abstaining. Later on, I couldn't make up my mind on whether I should vote for Hyperbola or not and I didn't want to vote for anyone else because no one else struck me as suspicious. So I decided to abstain. I felt that no one deserved my vote. If i had voted for someone and later somehow that vote ended up painting me as mafia and the only explanation I had was, I didn't want to vote Hyperbola so I voted a random dude, I'd be digging my own grave. You vote an inactive in order to get them to talk more, you vote someone who you think has to justify a certain response. But you don't just abstain because you don't know who to vote for, But then you don't say to youngmini, who was abstaining for the same reason you were (We have to be sure), that he's stupid. On July 21 2010 07:10 chaoser wrote: How did I contradict myself? I said it would be bad if we all abstained and no one was lynched. Clearly someone was going to be lynched. Just because I vote abstain doesn't mean I didn't want anyone lynched. I didn't contradict myself. Yes. Yes it does mean you contradited yourself. You said it was bad if we abstain, and then you abstained. And Yes, if you vote abstain it means you didn't want anyone lynched. What else does it mean? On July 21 2010 07:10 chaoser wrote: and no one else has made that claim? I noticed his statement was weird and pointed it out so others could analysis it too. If you've noticed, that's what I do. I organize/point out information so that others can have an easier time thinking about things. I'm just noting that you made the claim first. This is all part of my own theory that you wanted the town to double lynch Subversion and Brown Bear. After making sure people were suscipious of Brownbear, you decide to jump on Subversion. And agian, you did the same thing. You say your going to change the vote from abstain later, but then you don't. You don't even say "Hey, I'm unsure who to lynch. Can (person) please clarify what they mean by this.) And yes you do organize/point out information. But as I point out, it isn't always unbiased. On July 21 2010 07:10 chaoser wrote: How did I disagree with my own vote? I was pointing out that his reasoning is FLAWED. He said he voted Hyperbola cause he didn't know he could abstain and then said, oh well, I'm not going to change. I voted abstain because that was the choice I agreed with most at the time. I didn't think anyone was suspicious enough in my mind that I would want to vote for them and also give a good reason as to why I thought they were suspicious. Mmm... nice. That responds to my argument in no way at all. Maybe you quoted the wrong thing? With that, please quote MY statements, not yorus. Makes it incredibally hard since I have to scroll up and down and just takes alot of effort. On July 21 2010 07:10 chaoser wrote: After the first day had passed, I started to get a better inkling of what was going on and there was information I could work with. I pointed out BrownBear again and tried to be logical about why I thought his actions were suspicious. What's wrong with that? Its not neccesarily wrong, but this was part of me showing how in almost every post you argued against Brown bear, argue for double lynch and then start to vote Subversion for a silly sentence(which I believe has no bearing that he's mafia). It's just part of my theory that you are trying to get the town to double lynch BB and Subversion. On July 21 2010 07:10 chaoser wrote: Please read my post, I 100% explained why I didn't vote BrownBear. I also state I'll have to see about the Subversion vote. He has yet to respond so I'm waiting for that before 100% deciding. All in all, I don't think I've done anything scummy. You've tried to paint a lot of my actions as scummy even though they weren't. I can't tell if that's because you just came to the wrong conclusion or if you're trying to divert attention away from the BrownBear/Subversion/Darth situation on voting right now. Maybe you could look at the situation better if I organized all my posts together into one post for you? Mmmm... I did read your post. That's why i quoted it. So all this time you were arguing agianst BB, even more so than Subversion, and you don't vote against him? But then you change to Subversion because of ONE sentence (not as big as BB's, which I honestly believe would be more convincing that he's mafia.) And you even VOTE for him, despite it seeming that you at the time of you arguing agianst BB you were more convinced than you are now of Subversion. Yet you only vote for Subeversion. On July 21 2010 07:15 chaoser wrote: Also, how did I start the bandwagon? I noted what I thought about him but didn't VOTE. How did I start a bandwagon against him? I was posting my own thoughts on the situation and seeing how other people thought about it. You dont have to vote for someone to start a bandwagon . But you have been the one who first pointed that out, than probably the one who has been the most active against BB. I would consider that "Starting the bandwagon."On July 21 2010 07:31 BrownBear wrote: I wouldn't go so far as to say chaoser started a bandwagon on me, as others were already against me to begin with. But there's been so much hate against me coming from him. So. Much. :'( :'(. Haters gonna' hate. I believe the very first one was Hyperbola, but I think that was just more anger against you. There are a variety of reasons you could've voted for Hyperbola first. Yet Chaoser is the second one after. You're right, perhaps he wasn't the one who "literally" started. But he has definitely been one of, if not the, most active against you. | ||
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On July 21 2010 07:31 BrownBear wrote: I wouldn't go so far as to say chaoser started a bandwagon on me, as others were already against me to begin with. But there's been so much hate against me coming from him. So. Much. :'( Actually, I do have one final question for you Brown Bear. Why DID You vote for Hyperbola in the begining. | ||
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On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote: There is more evidence/weird things going on for BrownBear/Subversion than for me at this moment. I'd be more than happy to continue the next day but for now I'd like to focus on the issue that was being talked about before. Right now I feel like I'm just helping you in derailing the thread and so I'd like to continue this conversation in PMs and post those up if people want later. Interesting idea. However, I am stuck as to whether to do this. I DO believe I may have stumbled upon something that everyone should now. Given that I myself am not the best debater, I posted this because I wanted other people to hear what they think. On Subversion and BrownBear, I feel that Subversion is being voted on unfairly. Subversions one line "Oh the mafia aren't making too many mistakes" does not seem AT ALL to be indicative that he's the mafia. As Citizen has stated above me, it sounds reasonable coming from a new player such as him. I myself am still confused as to HOW this makes him mafia. Especially more so than brownbear. But I do not believe this is derailing the thread. I believe I have found potentially vital information. If someone believes that a person may be mafia, and offers enough evidence, how is that derailing the thread? Especially since with my theory if you ARE indeed mafia, this directly affects the possibility of Subversion and Brownbear being mafia. With that, I shall begin to respond to your defenses. I am sorry if you are not mafia and I am in fact contributing to the mafia. But this information must be sorted out. On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote: I've never voted like that before but I can see where you're coming from. Usually when I vote I just vote for who I actually believe is suspicious. Next time I'll be sure to use my first day's vote to get people to talk. Also, I don't think I said youngminii was stupid. It's not that you said Youngmini is stupid, its that you are criticizing his plan for not lynching people(abstaining thus) because we do not have enough info. Then you abstain because you cannot make enough of a solid decision because of a lack of information. All the while criticizing Youngmini for advocating the same thing. On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote: I said it was bad to use the strategy of "no-lynch" on the first day, I didn't say it was bad to abstain. If I did I met it as part of the "no-lynch" strategy and not that abstaining by itself is bad. If i really thought abstaining was bad 1) I wouldn't have abstained lol and 2) I would have been vocal about others abstaining that first day. The poing is you HAVE been vocal about other's abstaining the first day + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote: It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it? and that I am pointing out that you are contradicitng yourself by saying that abstaining is bad and abstaining yourself. On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote: I don't think I was the first to make the claim and I don't want to double lynch BrownBear and Subversion, that's not even possible, if we vote double lynch today we'd get it the NEXT day in which case, if things are as they are now, either Subversion or BrownBear will have been lynched. Ok so I didn't reaffirm my decision about abstaining the first day. I'll make sure to do it if I continue to believe Subversion is the one I want to vote for after he talks ok? Hmm this is actually a good point. *scratches his chin slowly* I've been thinking about that for the last 10 minutes or so and I've decided that it's possible that you were going to bring up another possible mafia suspect(whos actually townie). Then you could get the town to double lynch. In fact, if Darthien is not mafia, then you could very well have predicted that we were going to double lynch Darth/Sub or Darth/BB. However, this is where I'm starting to get into one specific theory too much. Again, I want other people to please contribute to this discussion. Especially since I'm not the best at explaining myself, heh On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote: . I don't know what you're referring to and I think I was confused on what you were referring to in your original statement with this line: Mm, I think that's all of it? Man we are both so confused haha. "I'm not sure what you're talking about, because you aren't sure either." I don't understand any of this portion. anyway, that sums it up. I feel like stopping leading this charge just because I may become blind to certain aspects or may just fail in one argument, thus nulling the whole argument. A Final Word: You've brought up being against no lynching, yet saying abstaining is still okay. Yet I believe you are contradicting yourself just because the no lynching plan is based around the fact that we don't have enough information yet. And then you go and abstain just for that reason. So there I am saying that you are contradicting yourself. | ||
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On July 21 2010 09:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Guys, these players haven't posted since Day 2 began: 7. xelin 10. lakrismamma 14. SouthRawrea 30. roffles My thoughts on lynch candidates so far: DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness. BB - unsure. Subversion - inexperienced townie. Right not my spidey sense is tingling and i'm pretty sure that a lot of the recent posts are just town infighting while the mafia sits back and watches. The players on my list up there, and the ones who are attempting to slip under the radar with 1-2 posts since Day 2 are the kind of people we need to keep an eye on. Just putting it out there some of them have explained theyr'e not going to be active on a certain day. Doesn't mean Infundibulum isn't correct in saying we should be on the lookout for these guys, but it does lend credibility to some of the aforementioned players. Xelin: + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 02:42 XeliN wrote: I don't have much time currently to commit to this game as much as I'd like, still keeping track just can't go over things as carefully as I should. I'll be fine after tomorrow, just caught me at a unfortunately busy period. Anyway, Young, going back I didn't respond to you. Your right about my criticism of you for trying to influence the action of the blues, I didn't properly read what you were suggesting, which hopefully if I am right was simply that we should have organised a system whereby we make sure the blues do not use their night actions on the same person. I stand by my analysis of you however, I went over your posts and they did strike me as suspicious. Particularly the way you were pressing for lynching someone who was going to be modkilled anyway or a no lynch, which only hurts us. Currently the best thing to look at would be voting patterns and arguments in light of Hyperbola flipping town, I'd be careful though because it's plausible that none of the people who voted for Hyper are mafia, this is a first day lynch afterall. Your sig freaked me out earlier when I read it Bill, was reading the rules//roles section and didnt realise sig changes apply to old posts so had a weird moment of de ja vu xD Lakrisamma: Don't see any explanation. Definitely be more cautious towards him. SouthRawrea: Don't see any explanation. Definitely be more cautious towards him. Roffles:+ Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 11:33 Roffles wrote: I'm off to sleep, but I'll be back with more after PL is done. PS: Filter button allows me to see every post made by that user in a given thread. One click on Filter next to say Pandain's name allows me to see every single one of his 42 posts in this thread for easy reference. Hmmm.... heavy heavy sleeper? :D. Could just be lazy, I am sometimes. So yeah, do what Infunblahblahbalh says, but at least he has more of an excuse. Again, this does not mean InFunblahblah is wrong, just that some of them may have more of an excuse than others. | ||
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On July 21 2010 10:04 LaXerCannon wrote: I didn't say that that wasn't the case. I merely said why it's a bad idea. If you look, I didn't even vote for you. To answer your questions: 1. It was 5-5 with hyperbola going to die. two people unvoted near the end -> mafia thinks that another might bail making it 4-5 so by adding one more vote, you're putting the nail on the coffin. 2. Mafia has no reason to start a bandwagon on the very first day. You know, if subversion is mafia and he voted for Hyperbola, that means that Youngmini is mafia too. Now that brings up the question, is Youngmini Mafia? Now, we have a Secret Friendship Alliance, and that is even more sacred than bff rings. So I do not believe he is mafia. Other people's thoughts? Intresting Tidbit: If Youngmini IS mafia, that also means that it is less likely chaoser is mafia. Since Youngmini did vote for lynching Chaoser. | ||
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Another thing; If the Mafia HAD been aware of BM's miscalculation, and Subversion IS part of the mafia, than perhaps the mafia did do this to save Youngmini. So the question comes down to whether the mafia was aware or not. | ||
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On July 21 2010 10:32 SiNiquity wrote: --BM tally (6-3)-- [correct] <voting> --Final tally (6-4)-- [incorrect, should be 6-5] ^ crappy diagram of what happened. But honestly I feel at this point it's a sidetrack only serving to derail the discussion. How so? Explain of course. I mean, we only have a limited time to discuss so any conversations we can put aside will be helpful. | ||
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On July 21 2010 11:01 chaoser wrote: Are you still going on about me? Pandain and I have pretty much squared away the problem he had with me: THIS IS FROM HIM "Did you see the "A final word" thing. That pretty much sums up this argument from my side. I'm saying that you criticizing youngmini for saying "hey lots not lynch people" and your decision to abstain both come from the same reason: We don't have enough info. And thus, since you criticize Youngmini, you are contradicting yourself. Do I make myself clear?" ----------------------------------------- Original Message: THIS IS FROM ME In response to: no where in there did I say I was against abstaining. I said not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision. Individuals abstaining doesn't mean no one will be lynched. I was against the plan of EVERYONE abstaining, not the idea of abstaining in general. Sorry, if I was confusing about that. No had feelings either way lol. The contradiction comes from the fact that though I voted abstain because I didn't have enough information and yet I criticized youngminii (your) call for us all to "no-lynch" on day one because there wasn't enough information I voted for Subversion because I didn't like the initial bandwagon on BrownBear and was starting to have doubts because of Subversion's perceived bad play in Day 1 as well as his "slip" that the mafia made no mistakes so far. If you're going to say, omg that's bandwagon too then every majority vote is "bandwagoning". To me, bandwagoning is when there's a huge amount of votes for one person over a very short amount of time. I don't think I bandwagoned. Also, after reading what Subversion has said as well as some things that Pandain stated in the thread, I've moved my vote off him. Get off my back. Thanks =] Umm... just so your not misled I still think your mafia, which is why I'm still voting for you. Also, I didn't really want to argue that much in the PMs because I wanted everyone to hear it so they could clarify/contribute/say"OMG YOUR WRONG" my statements. The one thing we did settle was that he now acknowledges his contradiction. I'm slightly less suscipious, but still think your mafia. Just clarifying . | ||
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On July 21 2010 11:36 chaoser wrote: Oh, you too Pandain. The contradiction is hardly any contradiction and the only remaining part of your argument against me is that I was very suspicious of BrownBear but then moved on to Subversion when I clearly explain why I did in my post about voting for Subversion. What? It's not much of a contradiction that you appear to be pro town by rallying against youngmini for advocating no-lynching yet all the while abstain yourself (thus helping the mafia). | ||
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On July 21 2010 11:57 chaoser wrote: So does that mean all abstainers are "helping the mafia?" If I remember correctly, you at one point also considered abstaining. You also advocated against no-lynching in that quote up there as a response to Tricode. Omg Im sorry I just can't stop laughing. Seriously, I'm sorry, and I'm sure you probably just missed it, but SERIOUSLY? Pandain United States. July 18 2010 10:44. Posts 428 PM Profile Report Quote # Yeah I think we should lynch, just because isn't the mafia going to kill one of us by the next day? Then again, I'd feel horrible if I lynched a good person. I might abstain, but I'll have to see both sides first. I'll decide later. | ||
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. Read the bolded part above and you'll see my stance. I say "I MIGHT abstain", but that's just because this is my very first game so I had to see both sides. However, I said "I think we should lynch." | ||
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On July 21 2010 12:07 chaoser wrote: Saying you MIGHT abstain means you have a similar thought process as me, that there's not enough information. And I already say that you were for lynching aka against, the no-lynch plan. Wait so what? Haha I totally misread that . But now your thing doesn't make any since. Yeah I'm against abstaining. So what? Also, I'll have to reread my statement in its context to explain. | ||
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On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote: Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12? So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 NEW VOTES: chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02 BrownBear abstains at 6:52 Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53 Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20 youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32 chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25 LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27 SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19 chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34 hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me ##vote Subversion End result: BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode) Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser) DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia) chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea) abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon) People yet to vote: xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles Can't make up your mind eh? If you're testing something, might be good not to say you are. If you really do want to vote for Subversion, care to explain what led to the decision? | ||
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On July 21 2010 12:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: #vote for double lynch i'm not convinced about any of the lynch candidates so far, so i'll wait on that. Kind of curious about this. May you please explain why you are in favor of double lynching? I'm sure you have a reason, just asking. | ||
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On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: Unvote BrownBear ##Vote: Subversion Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute. I downright disagree with this. First of all, as Roffles said, I do not believe that little sentence "The mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is grounds to lynch him. Lynching Subversion will gain us NO info whatsoever, since I believe he is NOT mafia. Also, Pyrr, great article and I do believe we SHOULD keep an eye on darth. However, when deciding who to lynch, I belive we should lynch who is more likely to be mafia (aka Chaoser or Darth). I believe Chaoser is more likely to be mafia. The next day, we can focus on darth. | ||
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On July 22 2010 03:04 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: This isn't true. We get a lot of info even if he's town side, because a lot of the town is divided in two camps for and against subversion. Haha, omg (I'm an idiot). Still, lynching an innocent just to see "whos for or against him" is a bad idea in my eyes. | ||
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On July 22 2010 05:35 BrownBear wrote: So seeing as people keep saying "God BB your plan sucks" (BC, Amber), I think it's time to actually defend my plan a little bit, because believe it or not, I'm sticking by it, and I think it's not a bad idea. Out of all of you who said my plan was terribad, there was only ONE person who asked me, either in the thread or PM, what the logic behind my plan was. So yeah, only one person who actually tried to figure out what was going on, instead of just saying "OMG BB sux lets vote for him." So that guy (you know who you are) - thank you. The rest of you, seriously? I'm copying my reply to him here, because I think everyone should read it. If he feels like saying who he is, he can confirm that this is accurate. + Show Spoiler [my PM] + Yo, thanks for the PM. My inactivity was partially due to me working most of the day, and partially due to me scrubbing and forgetting that the game had started :/ My logic behind vet roleclaim was thus, and I hope this makes sense: In most TL Mafia setups, hosts choose to mask the number of certain roles actually present in the game (example: they won't tell you how many medics there are, only that medics are present in the game). This is to prevent situations like mass roleclaiming, where the town forces everyone to claim or get lynched, then checks the numbers against the numbers in the OP. This can be a very powerful town move if pulled off correctly, or give the mafia a ton of free blue roles to hit, but regardless, many hosts don't like it happening, so they prevent it from being possible. In a setup like the one above, its impossible to say "all vets claim" and get an accurate result, because you don't know if there are 1, 2, or 3, or maybe even 4 vets, so it's trivial for scum to sneak a fakeclaim in there. Thus, nobody claiming can really be trusted, apart from DT rolechecks or people who get protected from a hit/vets who soak a hit. Thus, in a normal game, vets fulfill the role everyone has said they should fulfill: They exists under the radar and hope mafia hits them, so they can soak a hit that would have otherwise killed someone. The problem is, this happens rarely (usually only once a game, if that), and somehow, vets always end up getting lynched. Thus, they aren't always the most helpful role. My idea was thus: Since BM has told us there are exactly 2 vets in the game, we know there are exactly two vets in the game. In my experience, as I mentioned above, vets don't always do their job (not their fault, its just "doing their job" hinges on another group outside their control targeting them). As we've seen in other mafia games (Caller's RO3K game is a good example), when town bands together and has good organization, it's really easy for town to win. Mafia usually wins if they prevent town from organizing in this way. Thus, I believe in this setup, the vets would actually be more helpful to town in the spotlight as town organizers, rather than in the shadows hoping to soak hits. As a vet has 2 nightlives, mafia has to waste an entire night just to kill one vet, rather than kill 2 others (and possibly hit other blues like DTs). This isn't something most mafia teams would be willing to do (especially if medics start protecting the vigis - they become unkillable). So basically, we'd have the vets claim. If only 2 claim, we're set, we just have blues PM them, and start an epic town circle. Vets would know if people were lying because of the openness of the setup: if 3 DTs claim to them, they'd know one of them was scum, and could probably figure it out pretty quickly. This would be a great way to coordinate rolechecks, medic protection, even vigi kills or Mad Hatter Bombs depending on which of those roles we have. Essentially, town would become a well-oiled machine and would screw mafia over. If more than 2 vets claim, we just have to rolecheck them, nail a mafia, and go back to the first scenario from that point out. Now, naturally this plan isn't perfect. There are three major flaws: 1) If GF decided to appear as a vet to rolechecks, it sinks this plan completely, obviously. 2) If one or both vets is inactive/doesn't read the thread, that also sinks this plan. 3) The Suicide Bomber. This role exists to counter mass roleclaims and to prevent us from telling medics to protect certain people IN THE THREAD. It's very possible that the mafia might decide to bomb one of the vets - but that's why we have two. Mafia would be trading a scum for a townie. Hope this makes sense! Ask me if you have any more questions. omg stfu newb your plan sucks. + Show Spoiler + sarcasm | ||
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1)The Mafia didn't know of BM's miscount 2)He just voted at an unlucky time. So all those who are picking either BB or Subversion (especially BB) I urge you to change your vote and vote for either Darth of Chaoser. I would suggest Chaoser, just because I find him more likely to be mafia than DTA. To me, it still seems that Chaoser is just trying to get people lynched and DTA could be plannign something. Of course we should keep an eye on DTA, but let's not just lynch him and ruin anything he might be doing. I would urge you to vote Chaoser, but at the very least I humbly request all those not voting either DTA/Chaoser to unvote and pick one of them. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:04 BrownBear wrote: Sigh. What happens in the case that GF decided not to appear as vet? Not a problem. Also, if you actually happened to read carefully, you would notice that i said SB doesn't necessarily break the plan - it just throws a wrench in it. It just requires more careful planning + execution. I think we're saying that this plan would just be more dangerous than it would be fruitful, so until we have more information to go on we shouldn't do that just yet. Also, as I currently understand it is quite common for the GF to pick Veteran so therefore it woudl be quite common that the plan would begin to deteoriate. I understand where you're coming from but as of now I do not believe your plan would be the most suitable for the town right now. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:05 BrownBear wrote: Don't know where you've been, but I'm not exactly new at this point. I screwed up day 1, but I've played many games here before. Fine then . Vote Brown bear. . | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:12 chaoser wrote: that's very scummy of you to say isn't it? Your suggestion gives mafia license to stack votes instead of having to worry about spreading it over different potential targets (4) right now. If later people ask, they can be like well, Pandain suggested it. And how am I more likely as mafia than DTA? Look at Pyrr's huge statement against him against the two weak points you bring against me (that I abstained after saying don't go with the no-lynch plan (which others did too) and then voted Subversion today.) If I get lynch and I flip non-red, people should carefully examine all the people who are hardcore gunning for me (Pandain, youngminii) I'm not sure if my words carry huge value heh. I mean, almost always when I say somethingn, I mean it to go up to debate in the crowd. Statements such as that are viable, however I feel that even if the mafia all vote up on one person, and he turns out to be innocent, than its a much easier time of deciding whos the mafia in that group. | ||
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Therefore, I'm actually really suspecting Subversion. I mean, even if it was a mistake the vote for Hyperbola is suspect. Especially since after a few PM's my arguments for chaoser have diminished and the arguments for Subversion have grown. With that. ##Unvote ##Vote Subversion. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hi Pandain, remember this post, oh a page ago, and now you've flipped to Just saying, little sketchy of a switch based on your post above. IF anything you would have swapped to dta. Just saying. I agree, it looks suscipious but at the same time I truly believe DTA is just a blue whos plannign something. At the very least, I want to give him a night. And Chaoser HAS been defending himself well, no doubt about that. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:41 youngminii wrote: I understand that PMing is a powerful tool but just because someone tells you they're not scum through PM doesn't mean they're telling you the truth. At the start of this game you PM'd me basically asking me if I was scum and I pretty much said 'no'. You completely believed me without any hesitation. Dude, its the Secret Friendship Alliance. You break that, you''re basically going to hell. | ||
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Brownbear: 3 votes Darth: 7 Subversion: 6 Chaoser: 7 Abstain:3 Amberlight: 1 With one unvoted(Infunblahblahblah) | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:17 DarthThienAn wrote: unvote ##Vote: chaoser Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched? Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o On July 22 2010 07:40 DarthThienAn wrote: My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games. Doesn't really help that statement :/ | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:51 chaoser wrote: If he really didn't want to die he would have voted for Subversion cause that pushes Subversion to 8, new highest. Just pointing that out. Doesn't Subversion only have 6? | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:38 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: So chaoser is suspicious because he changed his vote from BB to Subversion. Who was the first person to do that? DTA. At least Chaoser gives reasons so we have something to work with. Haven't you understood that DTA jokes alot when he changes? I mean, they were OBVIOUS jokes too. There are better arguments against DTA, stop using that one. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:40 chaoser wrote: That's not it at all, I said I voted for him because 1) BB's bandwagon from people voting for him seemed weird and so he was less suspicious and 2) Subversion's mafia hasn't made a mistake comment was fishy, ^--not that at all So your 7 statements rallying against BB weren't sufficient enough to gather a vote, yet when subversion makes a sentence that seems "fishy" its like "woah, he must be mafia!" and you actually DO vote for him after the BB bandwagon has started. All the while advocating a double lynch. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote: This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever. Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is. 1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member. 2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say. Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty. What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there. None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble. And it was this argument that changed my mind and made me unvote Chaoser and vote Subversion. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:07 Subversion wrote: And Pandain, I thought our PM love was true. </3 Subversion, I will ALWAYS love you. Here-------far-------whereEVER you are I believe that the heart will go on. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: You also talked about not being able to use your second bomb if you were killed today. Totally hypothetical, of course. Or perhaps jokingly. Or maybe you were serious but now you are trying to retract. I think you're looking way too into this. Wayyyyyyyy too into this. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote: im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm O.O | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:39 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: voting ends in 22 minutes. Nah, ends at 12. At least not in 22 minutes. | ||
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##Vote Abstain. I'll be voting later. I'm going to be honest. I lied . I never wanted to vote for Subversion. But then this guy is like "Trust me!" So I do. But now I don't want Subversion out of this game if I truly don't believe he is mafia.I still have my suspicions towards Chaoser, unfortunately I couldn't respond to his arguments because doing so would go against the PMer's wishes. But that being said, he has defended himself decently, even though there are a few holes. But at the same time, perhaps its just coincidence. DTA, I'm not sure either. I mean, sure he's been playing weird but that doesn't mean he's mafia. The main problem I have with him is that he's not helping the town that much either. This decision is definitely going to bite me in the blah, since if I vote wrong then I will almost certainly be seen as Subversion is now, the deciding vote. At the same time, it will be even worse consideiring I know it may be tied. + Show Spoiler + Ha, I really hope it won't be tied when I vote. My decision will be at the very end in all liklihood, considering I must watch Day9's king of the beta thingie. I will make my decision carefully. | ||
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Right now I actually want to vote BC but know that will mean nothing. I'm not going to vote Subversion. Unless anyone wants to join me in voting someone else, I won't vote anyone other than DTA and Chaoser. *strokes his chin* This will be the most important decision of my life. | ||
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## Vote Double Lynch I do believe we'll have enough info then. | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:01 DarthThienAn wrote: unvote ##Vote: chaoser I still think Subversion is more likely to be mafia. But chaoser has more votes. Tying it up just for Pandain. Aha Betrayal! *strokes his chin* Just when I thought about Chaoser perhaps being more likely, you do something like this. Gosh dang Mafia is hard! | ||
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1. We can all vote on a new person,would want to do that right away for as much decision time as possible. 2. We can all abstian, though that won't grant us ANY new information and we'll have to wait for someone to get hit for more info. Which is bad in itself. 3.We can decide between the 3 options. Talk now! I want everyone talking! This is the last hour! Let's make it count! | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:08 Subversion wrote: lol, that thing after DTA was supposed to be a comma, not a full stop :O Haha, I read it like you just mistyped. But that's so much more hilarious "I don't believe DTA. Either me or Chaoser are mafia!" | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:29 Bill Murray wrote: 30 minutes remaining Vote count? Aw shit if my vote decides | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:45 youngminii wrote: Well you have about 15 minutes to decide, no pressure Aw shizzlesnit | ||
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A tradgedy had occured. A dear friend by the name Foolishness had been killed by ruthless vagabonds, and the town had gone wild. They had already lynched an innocent, and as of now stood on the edge of lynching 3 people who very well could be innocent. Pandain had led to one of these being hunted down. Chaoser, whom Pandain had originally suspected. Pandain himself had led a charge against Chaoser, to only begin to agree about his innocence. But now, even now he was not sure. Chaoser was seeming too defiant, too riskyy. But again, how could Pandain tell if that meant anything? DTA had been very odd as well. His votes were spur of the moment, joking much, but with a deeper motive behind them? Pandain could only guess. In addition, he had not helped the town much, that much Pandain knew. Pandain looked out the window, at the magesty of stars twinkling in the distance. And as he gazed up, a tear rolled down his cheek, as he thought of Hyperbola, who he himself had lynched. Pandain stood up. He grabbed his stuffed panda with a furious swipe. Whatever happened, he would make a decision carefully. Perhaps none of them were town? Many suspected that, but this horrible accusation bandwagon had gone too far to stop. Someone was going to die. Roffles had been acting weird, and citi/zen had noted a possible alliance between zeks, misder, and BC. That would come later, Pandain was sure. Now, he had a decision to make. Pandain walked up silently to the booth, a booth of death, of lies, of deceit. And silently he pushed a button. He knew this would lead to someones death, as he had a good chance of deciding who would live or who would die. *click* The button lowered. The final vote + Show Spoiler + ##Unvote ##Vote DarthThienAn | ||
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On July 22 2010 12:59 youngminii wrote: Ahh hell. Its about time. . | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:04 Subversion wrote: gg DTA this. I'm sorry DTA . Although I'm not sure if I actually changed anything since even if I voted Chaoser didn't DTA get to the most votes first? | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:08 SiNiquity wrote: Missed mine for Chaoser Haha! Holy shit. Mine WAS the deciding factor. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:11 SiNiquity wrote: Na would've been 9-9 if you voted Chaoser, and DTA had more votes first. Still close tho. Anxious to see the flip. No, because DTA would lose a vote and Chaoser would gain one. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:13 SiNiquity wrote: 10 - 1 = 9 8 + 1 = 9 ? Hmm.. its twelve here. Maybe my brain isn't working too good. Hold on. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:16 Subversion wrote: so when is the death post? i wanna know if he was town I believe Hyperbolal's post came 3 hours afterwards. I dont know how its been in other mafia games though... | ||
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FUUUUCK!!!! Spoilered for the Children. | ||
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So they have 24 hours and then we find out who they killed? | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:35 youngminii wrote: Says the guy who first voted for DTA back in page 33 and has only made one single post between that voting post and this current post. says the guy who doubts the value of a Secret Friendship Alliance! but anyway, d3 was hit so. doesn't that make him confirmed? Unless he's mafia trying to inflitrate. | ||
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Why can't we just be one big happy familiy like Full House? | ||
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On July 22 2010 14:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well I dunno i think it was youngminii complaining earlier about how there was only one post between your vote and your reaction to the result. Maybe that post in between was awesome but I am loathe to hunt for it when it means hunting through 25 pages. search and put in his username ftw. | ||
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On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote: Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. ruh roh roger. You wasted your 500th post :/ | ||
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On July 22 2010 15:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pandain similar reasons, alot of finger pointing, lots of arguing leading to derailing the thread into the spiral of what the day ran into. Sadly that's true. Eventually it got to the point where even though most of us knew that there was a chance none of the 3 main targets were mafia we couldn't do anything because the votes were so stacked. *sigh* In my defense however, at the time I felt I was contributing because I felt neither of the proposed canidates then (BB or Subversion I believe) were likely. I felt I offered at least a more likely candidate. As for Pyrr, it seems to me that a mafia wouldn't have invested that hard in attacking Darth. I mean, Pyrr kept on debating Darth up to his lynching. Perhaps previous mafia experts can elaborate on whether that is a common mafia technique but from what I understand it is unlikely. That does not eliminate the chance however. Youngmini.... undecided. Still have faith in him(secret alliance ftw), but I need to investigate more. With all that said, I am simply noting two players especially that have not been as active as they perhaps should. Jayme/Zeks. Zeks to me is more worrisome because while Jayme at least has been appearing to help the town, Zeks has clearly contributed in 1 post or so. With that being said I ##Vote Zeks NOT because I believe he's mafia, I do not have enough information yet, but it's simply a tool to get him to be more active. A threat, if you will . I understand this is common in mafia. . | ||
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On July 22 2010 15:35 youngminii wrote: When the hell did I say "I think chaoser isn't mafia"? I said DTA/Subversion weren't, I was all out against chaoser and oh no everyone went ahead and lynched DTA. What's the point of that, seriously. Whenever you post I cower in my chair . So scary . Also, where art thou reffering to? | ||
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On July 22 2010 15:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: pandain its not daytime, you can't vote right now.... Oh... hehe. ##Unvote Though I guess I never had it in the first place. Stil, zeks, be more zctive! | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hmm he's usually more active than that, but not super active, probably less than average. Could be due to some distraction / bored townie. Worth looking into, though. Voting Zeks on inactivity didn't make too much sense to me though, I think there are more inactive people, though I haven't been scientific about it, yet. Like how many posts does Jayme have? Or lakrasmamma, who couldn't even be bothered to figure out who to vote for? Oh I just wanted to vote him into getting him to talk more. Unless he did some crazy slip up I wasn't going to keep it there. As for Jayme. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Jayme That's her/his public profile. Just go to posts from there. His posts are better quality at the least though, which is why I'm more suspicious of Zeks/Tricode. | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hmm I tried searching "Jayme" in both the username bar and the keyword bar, and in the username bar with mafia in the keyword bar and it didn't work. Oh when you search only put the name it in the Username bar. And then make sure you have "content only" | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:29 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Ok thanks. Looks like way more posts than six. Omg you right. His new post "Why?" has earned him the long coveted award of 7 posts. I tip my hat to you sir. | ||
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On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote: Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts. Shh... you're getting to close to my involveement n.n. But I really think one of our plans for day 2 should at least be getting the really inactive people I pointed out to talk more *Cough*Tricode*Cough*. Anyone else agree? | ||
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On July 23 2010 05:46 citi.zen wrote: I've actually tried to contribute, it's just that nobody cares to read anything but their own little flame wars. Has there been a single reply to my accusation of misder? Crickets - after asking me why I suspected him even he hasn't followed up at all - why draw attention to yourself when there is not risk of getting lynched? I also thought lynching zeks would be a decent idea, and said that if he is red we could have 2 more strong suspects, remember? Here's one more: look above you at Chaoser's posts. What he is doing is textbook red in my experience. The endless "voting behavior" discussions are a great way for the mafia to distract everyone for pages and pages, but I am yet to see a red "caught" based on it. It does however offer a great way to seem "active" without risking much - all you're doing is summarizing data without even commenting on it (why risk slipping up!). Another subtle and common bit of mafia behavior is to be more dismissive than usual, saying things like "I'm not your mom" or "screw you" rather than respond in a way that encourages further discussion. It works great when it's done by veterans against new players, but everyone does it to some degree. All the while, Chaoser was active and online, even posting in other threads. Am I being too ambiguous? I actually followed up on your suscipion of misder/zeks and I've decided that misder is much more town-likely than zeks. Misder I feel is actually contributing while Zeks posts' aren't that praiseworthy much. In addition, I negated the idea of ALL the three of them being mafia (misder,zeks, BC) because as misder says in this post he includes zeks in being under suscipion. Obviously that could just be a mafia ploy, but it does help lend credibility to Misder. In addition, Misder could be mafia too. Looking over his posts I found a few that are suscipious, but not neccesarily mafia like. Here we see his reasoning ORIGINALLY for voting Hyperbola, but of course I take this to mean a joking sort of vote. He does question Hyperbola but then later unvote him here. A theory could be laid that Misder wanted to "start" the bandwagon on Hyperbola and than jump out. This could be possible, but I believe it is too early to call such a thing certain. Even more theories(all speculative) could be laid out supporting him being mafia. For example, in this post he begins to show how Foolishness's death could have been caused by his posts "accusing people." Misder could just be using this to help the mafia, or he could just be trying to help. Either way, uncertain. More questionable is what you point out that in that post he forgot to include Foolishness's vote for BC. As of now, should we vote Misder? No. Should we keep an eye on him? Perhaps. Personally I feel zeks is a better suspect. I've compiled a list of his posts and notes I can share, but as of now they're pretty sloppy and just my thoughts. I'll probably reveal it later. Finally, as for BC? not sure yet. He's a mafia vet, therefore should be watched closely, but I'm not sure if there are close enough ties to tie him to mafia. Especially a 3 person maifa. Unless you have more posts by BC which could indicate him, I'm more likely to just suspect Zeks. A note about Zeks: One of the reasons I suspect him is because he's fairly quiet. More so than probably 95% of people.*cough* Tricode *Cough*. Speak up zeks, I'll probably change my mind about you. So yeah, those are just my thoughts. Just wanted you to know I have been thinking about that post. In short: Interesting idea, but we need more evidence/posts. I feel like one of the things holding us back is that certain people aren't speaking that often. Does it make them mafia? Certainly not. Can it be indicative of a mafia? Certainly. These thoughts are certainly not final, and I'm still in the process of analyzing and deciding. | ||
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On July 23 2010 08:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Also, some collected important info: + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] + Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Roffles Infundibulum Jayme Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma Amber[Light] (1) BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ LaXerCannon (1) Misder Citi.zen (1) rastaban SiNiquity (1) Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler Infundibulum (1) youngminii + Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] + Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain chaoser (8) youngminii Roffles SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge jayme Amber[Light] Infundibulum d3_crescentia Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion + Show Spoiler + Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace + Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] + On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote: chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do. People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too. People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?) I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now. I'm not sure if their death posts will really help at all. I mean, if they were killed like Foolishness than yeah it would certainly help point us in the right direction, but since they were lynched it seems unlikely to me the death post would serve as anything other than a normal, contributive post. Unless you assume that their death post contributed to them being lynched(aka mafia bandwagon?), do you mean this? Even so, I doubt the mafia would be so risky as to bandwagon because of a post that was made because they knew they were going to die. Rest of the post is very useful though, interetsing too. Also, tree.hugger, I would very much like to hear your response from youngmini. | ||
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On July 23 2010 10:35 chaoser wrote: OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck: When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background. If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things. Honestly, I felt like neither Subversion or Brownbear were mafia. I feel like we have been screwing over haha. -.-. I sincerely believe we need to start focusing on new people who've been lurking (zeks, Tricode, Jayme to a CERTAIN extent). Ask me questions, question me, sure that's fine. But after that, and during then I'd prefer to save time(after all, if I am mafia there should be a few holes in all I'm saying since I talk SO much. Or maybe I'm just too good hehe. ) I'm not saying either zeks/tricode are mafia but I AM saying that we need to get the lurkers talking more. I feel like what happened yesterday was the result of mass misinformation and rampant speculation. We need more people talking so we can gather more evidence. Finally, I got a PM too asking me to change the vote to Subversion. Either Tree.Hugger really, REALLY believes in Subversion being mafia or there's something else going on we don't know about. | ||
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On July 23 2010 10:51 chaoser wrote: So right now the consensus to move to tricode/zeks/amber/misder? Sigh...wtf did we do on day 2 then... Yup, that's the problem. We fuddled up day2. Theres a chance that one of the 3 remaining lynch suspects from day two are ACTUALLY mafia, but as of now it's too hard to tell which one. I for one feel it would be much better to focus on the quiet ones in this game, in order to at least get them to talk. Unless anyone disagrees with me, I think that should be our plan. | ||
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On July 23 2010 11:01 Protactinium wrote: I'd like to wait till the Night is done (does it end at 13:00 KST again or was that a one time thing?) before deciding on targets. Bandwagons start this way, you know. Hopefully we'll get a good check result back, but if not let's see... Absolutely agree, that's why my plan is not to LYNCH these people, just attempt to get them to talk more. We can decide on those decisions later. Can't even vote until day anyway. Also, I'm just going to post the original PM tree.hugger sent me. Won't send any more unless there's something suscipious going on. I want people to keep in mind however that this might not be suscipious at all, I mean, he did tell me he PMed "pretty much everybody". Don't know who exactly though. With that, Tree Huggers initial PM Original Message: I'm convinced that Subversion is mafia, but you're not. Fair enough. But as Infund points out, this is a classic case of putting a group of people to the test. Subversion has an almost cult following of defenders, and if he flips red, they all go, and it's literally gg no re, town wins. If he flips green, then we can probably call all those people innocent. There's nobody else who's quite as valuable a lynch. This DTA bandwagon has sprouted up, for absolutely no reason. If all these people are convinced for his guilt, now, why didn't they say so earlier? Nothing has changed since then, except for the heat we've put on Subversion (mafia, imo.) This is too good an opportunity to pass up. We drew him out, and if we catch him, then a whole lot of other people are in the same net. | ||
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On July 23 2010 11:11 chaoser wrote: don't post PMs till morning... How do you know it was a PM? Maybe I'm a psychotic liar. Didn't think about that, did you? | ||
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On July 23 2010 11:15 chaoser wrote: Maybe we're all in a dream and the idea that that PM was sent to you was planted. Maybe this game is a lie. MaybRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR There is no cake! :O | ||
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I hope thats joking, cause if your not THATS a scummy thing to say. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:07 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Or, youngminii, you could answer the question and clarify your position for the rest of the town. As it is right now, you are 1) dodging the question 2) becoming hostile I was not hostile - the post you made about tree huggers PM's is actually pretty important and I didn't really follow your thought process. You obviously know a lot about tree hugger, yet you are refusing to share this information with the town. Why? I looked back in the thread and didn't see the clarifying post you mentioned before. I don't understand why you're so uncooperative. Like I said, if i was in your position, i would be thinking pretty hard about tree hugger being scum, especially since he'd been pushing for Subversions lynch over chaoser - someone who you thought (think) was red. But you don't think he's scum. I asked why, a reasonable question, and you haven't answered. Why are you dodging the questions? He did partially answer the question. He said if Subversion was scum, than Tree.Hugger wouldn't be lynching him. However that does leave off the question if he thought subversion wasn't scum. Youngmini can explain himself better than I just did, but you get the point. Also, I'm highly suscipious especially of Chaoser because it seems to me that as soon as day started, youngmini started getting hammered. Lay off, I don't want this to become another bandwagon. Let him explain. | ||
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My will: + Show Spoiler + My pet panda Pandet goes to Youngmini in honor of our secret friendship alliance. My secret lover Subversion will get all other belongings. Also, ebwop, "Also I'm getting highly suspicious of all this" I'm getting suscipious of chaoser just because he's just started being so flammatory and instigative. I mixed my thoughts. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question: + Show Spoiler [posts] + On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote: Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote: I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote: I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote: Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading.On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote: Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote: He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing" Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play. Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was. If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts. Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here? Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question! Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny. Frankly I think it's because he thinks theres a scum plot to destroy him. Mainly I think this is because of Chaosers recent posts. I mean look, you offer some "reasonable explanation and questoin"(I think it's reasonable to ask at least) But then Chaoser comes in and is like "Ya, Look at that $%$#" On July 23 2010 12:35 chaoser wrote: lol infundibulum, get on his ass If Chaoser wasn't so hostile I think he would be more friendly. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:29 youngminii wrote: I would like you to find the post in which I said "mafia made no mistakes so far". I also do not recall saying "I'm excited about the kills", but I sure am excited to see Day 3 and what happened on Night 2. Please don't pull things out of your ass and please stop coming to false conclusions. Thanks. Nah Youngmini both of these things happened. But it doesn't matter because Chaoser is totally drawing huge speculations from these sentences. I mean, I'm excited about the kills too. He thinks he was killed, why wouldn't he be excited? | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote: Okay now you're getting me quite annoyed. I have never said mafia made no mistakes so far. Plus even if I did it doesn't mean anything, thanks. Heh take a breather youngmini. Honestly think it would help you. Subversion said both those things. We're talking about Subversion there. .Take 5 man and come back. No harm will happen. I'll defend you while he rampantly speculates. | ||
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Honestly, the way things are going a bandwagon is going to happen any second. And people are just getting a bit personal now. I'd suggest postponing debate until we get the night post. You can think up ideas of course, but I'm just highly cautious of a THIRD bandwagon happening(more than 3 probably). It won't be that long for the night post to come out. I suggest we wait until we have that information. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:42 youngminii wrote: I have to ask, why is everyone saying calm down? Nothing's personal, no one's 'attacked' anyone verbally, the only things that have been happening are accusations and argumentative responses. The only thing I can see that may be seen as offensive is where infundiblxublxjum and I said read our posts, which isn't offensive at all, considering we didn't say anything like 'read my posts you fuckin dumb blind moron' or anything. This is mafia. This is a game of deceiving and lying and scumhunting. Aggression is a style of play and I don't see why we're being told to tone it down. The problem is no one's going to answer anything reasonably well if everyone's on the edge of killing each other. | ||
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Opinions? Anyone see why we SHOULDN'T double lynch? If not, I urge all of you to vote so now. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:52 chaoser wrote: can't vote right now btw, gotta wait till day Thought it was day? It's past 12 EST. Or does he have to make the night post for it to be day? | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:58 Divinek wrote: did you even explain why we should is it really so useful to blast 2 people even though we have no reason to truly believe two people to be red enough to use a double lynch? or are you just going on the hunch that we will find out enough today, either that seem pretty interesting Well won't it activate after THIS day. So we'll have a night, and two days (including this) to make up our mind. I think we'll have plenty of information. Besides, we just mislynched for a second time in a row. If the mafia hits go well for them and they end up hitting blues, we need to have a chance to comeback. No, we do not know enough to double lynch someone as of now. But I feel we will by the time double lynch is usable. Any other opinions? | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:00 BrownBear wrote: Double lynch is best used only if we have 2 people we are almost positive are mafia. It's really powerful, but we can end up screwing ourselves over if we doublelynch town. So convince me we have 2 people we're pretty sure are scum before I vote dbllynch. No the thing is it activates not this day, but next day. Of COURSE we don't have enough information now. But we're activating it so that when we will, we can use it. If you're going to only vote doublelynch when you have 2 sure suspects, then double lynch becomes basically null, right? It does activate the day after, correct? | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Before this day turns into a giant flame fest like the last few pages. I took a hit last night. Holy crud. This is the info I was talking about. Wait a second... then how did two people die. and a third got hit? Was there a vigilante? | ||
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Also, does anyone think it would be a good idea for DT to pm any of those people with info he has? Or would it be too risky. I'm new, so I want other players to comment on this before anyone does this. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:36 youngminii wrote: Bad idea. Scum can easily counter-claim. BC could be scum faking the vigi hit. And what's with the d3 being included o.o? He was hit, but yeah some pming and reminded me he hasn't spoken much either. | ||
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If they don't claim so now, then BC is NOT lying. I think that's a solid inference. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: we can't do that since we might have 2 vigis. they would both have to claim and then we'd lose one of their hits. unless maybe both hits have been used and doubled up on someone somehow Oh didn't realize we had two vigis. Frick I thought we finally had something to go on -.- | ||
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##Vote Zeks I'm keeping it there until you get more active. This is NOT a vote of him being mafia, this is a threat vote that I will keep unless I see him to be more contributive. *gets out his police stick.* It's business time. | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:16 SiNiquity wrote: Despite my voting for you yesterday, this actually seems like a solid plan. Am I missing some clever loophole? On July 23 2010 14:50 youngminii wrote: There's no way of us knowing whether or not the claim is true or false. There may or may not be one or two Vigis and even then 2 scum can step up and counter claim. | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:57 chaoser wrote: The main reason for them claiming right now is so we have exact information on what happened last night. We can use them later if it turns out true. If a vigi has used a hit and we know them 100% to be vigi, they should always claim because then we have a 100% confirmed townie Until we lynch them, which I am assuming we would do according to d3. -.- | ||
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Just thought I should put this out there that hitting BC does look like a very Tricode-esque move. From what I understand and from skimming previous mafia games Tricode has an innate hatred of BC and always wants to kill him. His actions thus far have proved this point. I would like to hear my output on (i think) Tree.hugger's idea of getting the two DT's to PM Tricode so they can get in contact with each other. I feel Tricode is in a very dangerous spot right now. For me anyway, the chances are high that he will be killed tonight. Tricode could be a huge asset to the town right now, let's not forget him. I would advise, in my own humble, noob opinion, that we not lynch Tricode tonight if possible. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I am glad to see that today has been a lot more reasonable than the previous two days. I believe that the whole topic of myself/tricode will continue to be discussed, but I am glad at the logical conclusions thus far. However, the town also has to discuss places to begin for lynch targets. As a player who has been in a lot of mafia games, and well didn’t think I would have to outline something like this, I shall. To begin with (ignore the fact its day 3 for the moment). Hosts will RNG roles and typically tweak the player list slightly. (making sure a group of first time players isn’t red vs a group of experienced players for instance). Some hosts will openly admit to doing this, some hosts will deny it. The truth of the matter is, every host does it. Be it by RNGing a role again, to physically swapping someones roles. (chuiu is exempt from this generalization as I know he didn’t). Now, everyone would tweak things the same way, but I will do a briefly outline of how I would do it if I were a host. Well known experienced players. (see names like ver, qatol, ace, caller, L, bloodyc0bbler, incognito, flamewheel, foolishness, etc…) Basically players who have a lot of experience. Not as well known experienced players (see names such as infundibulum, amber[light], opz, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, d3, zeks) Rising stars (see names such as youngminii, DTA, Korynee, etc..) Completely new players (everyone else) Now, at this point, in the case of very few well known experienced players, they typically will be given town roles (note, usually townie, or non major blue) as they can help create order, and teach new players, or help guide the flow of things. In the case of many, usually a small group is placed in red as to compete against those who are town. In the case of a small group however, the mafia breakup is that of usually rising stars, or people who are experienced but can easily defend themselves in a pinch but rarely recognized to the general public. New players will be split among both groups as they need experience in every role still. Now, as a player, as well as a host, part of my playing style always includes looking at how someone may have balanced the game. note everyone does it differently so the way I would do things is not the same as any other host . It does however give me a starting ground on how to start scum hunting. In a game of this format, and even more specifically this game. I see of well known names most people would recognize as Myself, Citizen, and foolishness. We have all played in a fair amount of games and most new players at this point will most likely hear of our names quickly, read it in the thread, etc… We will usually be instantly distrustful of each other and be a balancing issue if we are town/red as we at our core will take longer to trust someone who is forced into a form of spotlight regardless of wanting to be there. Note: Pyrr isn’t included in this list as he may not be as well known after a large large break from mafia. We then have a large group of experienced players who aren’t as well known, but have played in many many games. They make up the core of the players this game. We have a few rising stars, and a smaller group of new players. To begin with scum hunting I would look at the list of the big 3 and realize that either 1 or none of us are red. The possibility of there being one however is what keeps us wary of eachother all game. Of the rising stars, I would say most likely with such a low count of them this game, also 1. As they would be expected to compete for top spot this game. Of the newer players, most likely 1-2. As their role doesn’t matter as much as they have to learn from square one regardless. Rest of the roles would be made up of people from the experienced group. Now, from there you have a general idea of lists breakups. List of 3 (or 4 if you count pyrr) names where 0-1 is red Foolishness, bloodyc0bbler, citizen (pyrr) A list of 2 where most likely 0-1 is red. Where 1 is more likely. DTA, Youngminii A list of 6 where 1-2 will most likely be red Siniquity, Southrawrea, Pandain, subversion, misder, protactinium T[hen everyone else to make up the last 2-4 red. From this you have a generalized standpoint of where to start looking. And with those lists in mind you look at posting histories, styles, voting patterns and the like to best narrow down the red on that respective list. Once a # of reds has been found off a list of grouped players, you can generally ignore it briefly. (note some hosts may not do it as I have laid out, but this is merely a starting format to work from). People will make slipups, imply or reveal they are working with so and so and one flips red then the other does, etc… It however gives everyone a generalized place to start and begin to try and narrow reds down as it puts the chances of nailing one earlier on higher than others. With all this in mind, I will be going back over the thread and analyzing people. Expect another large post in the next few hours. Just another thing I would add, the mafia gets to choose out of their team the GF, correct? So It is likely that they would choose a more experienced player to fit that role. So we should also be cautious of one of the high-experienced players being GF as well. | ||
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On July 24 2010 11:32 tree.hugger wrote: Wait what? The green area? What green area? What are you talking about. And if we're talking about the "grey" area that I mentioned then it's you. The person I said it was. We've only lynched two of those people, and the two that only silly people read as town, how can we say the rest are innocent? Listen, I know you really think Subversion is mafia, but you really have to have a better argument than "Hey since MAYBE youngmini is mafia than MAYBE the mafia was keeping count of votes even though BM did and thus MAYBE realized youngmini was going to be lynched, and therefore MAYBE got Subversion to risk being caught and vote for Hyperbola. Also, he said a funny sentence. Therefore He's MAFIA!!!!" It's far more likely Subversion was just a poor townie who voted at the wrong time. Let's not get 3 mislynches in a row, mkay? Unless you have any new evidence, I suggest people not to vote Subversion. Unless I'm totally mistaken and you are now suspecting Chaoser, but I am neglecting that because you have already shown to be highly suscipious of Subversion. | ||
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Ok, let's blow this taco stand. /QUOTE] <3 this quote. Also, Cit.zen doing it again. Reminds me off his "Kill L" in a previous game, and then just baddassly claims "I want all Role PMS by tonight." GJ citizen, sounds like a plan. | ||
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On July 24 2010 15:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Citizen, you know im criticizing you because what you proposed isn’t a solid plan. You offered a plan that your “confirmation” was no counter claim. A dt has to prove he’s a DT after day 2 by handing over a red typically. A vig has to have wasted a shot and been willing to die (see tricode), a hatter would have to offer to sacrifice their-self. Instead you offered a plan that relies on everyone to implicitly trust your word. You are aware of what a hatters job would be, just as much as you know trust in a mafia game isn’t freely given like your asking. Ontop of that your asking for all the blues to claim to you? You have offered nothing but a plan with holes ones you knew were open. Also, if you were really the hatter, you would most likely have a bomb on me already, so are you willing to lay your life on the line Godfather? If your legit you would be able to put the dt the other person your dt confirmed in contact with the other dt liason and would let claiming possible to them. Shall we do this rationally then? Once the two DTs are connected, you are no longer needed. So you should be willing to do your job. I'm so confused T_T. As long as the other vigi/mad hatter counter claims we know Cit.zen is mafia. If no one counter claims, then he is NOT mafia. Therefore he's confirmed. So why NOT pm him? BloodyC0bbler, maybe you're just confuzzled or maybe I am but can you please explain to me how the above logic does not make sense. | ||
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On July 24 2010 15:19 youngminii wrote: ^ Actually if there's a counter claim, we have no way of knowing which claim is true unless citi.zen decides to off himself. In any case, we should just run with it. If citi.zen was scum, he'd be in a bad spot right now. Oh was that what BC was saying? I understand that. However, at the same time it would be very risky for Cit.zen. I would say let's do his plan. | ||
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On July 24 2010 15:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He could be GF who got checked dt went "hurr most likely legit what gf would choose hatter" and gave info, and then ends up getting filtered (as he's still the voice of his dt) so he still gets fed info from the other dt via a chain. . If he's GF, that would require some DEEP DEEP thinking. I mean, he'd have to be Funkmaster Jesus in order to know that. Look at it: 1)He'd have to know vigi would shoot, therefore being hatter could help. 2.)If he's not hatter, the real hatter will say so, therefore causing us to know one of them is scum. 3)Wouldn't that DT already be dead? why would they let a DT live. | ||
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On July 24 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote: indeed a good example of putting the spot light on one of those inactive bastards like i was wanting to do ##vote southrawrea Everyone now hold your horses on voting south rarwar. Four is a good motivator, I don't want any more or this is going to turn into an unstopable bandwagon like yesterday. | ||
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On July 24 2010 16:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Because I am 100% certainbased on how hes been playing that if he is legit there is a bomb on me. He has posted more than once that he has suspicions on me, so regardless, I'd die. So if i was scum, no it wouldn't be 3 free kills. You are taking huge leaps of faith whereas you shouldn't be in a position where if hes mafia, town loses. The tiny holes you are describing are actually quite large and I gave a plan to fix said hole, and instead people are wanting to take everything in faith, very scary concept in mafia. IF a DT claimed he would have to offer a red, a vig would have to claim his shot and be willing to die to prove it/be checked, etc... The fact your expectations of a hatter in a much more sensitive spot doesn't meet the same standard is just odd. Now that I think about it... lynching him, wouldn't that be bad? I mean he has TWO bombs, therefore his bombs could be going off on innocent civilians! | ||
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We are two away from ending the day early I say we have a last minute vote for double lynch just so then we will have double lynch, but don't end day early. Thoughts? | ||
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On July 24 2010 18:17 Bill Murray wrote: double lynch isn't going to end the day early O psych. Thought I heard it mentioned a couple times it does. Haha uber fail. In that case ##Vote Double Lynch | ||
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On July 24 2010 22:27 lakrismamma wrote: Sounds good to me.If BC doesn't flip red then citi.zen is next on the chopping block and we have got one mafia either way. So what happens if cit.zen is killed first? Medic you say? What about a suicide bomber? j I for one would think the mafia would be desperate enough to do that. I say we go for the plan now | ||
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On July 25 2010 01:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Personally, I'm not sure which method of contact is superior for the plan (representative to citi or actual DT to citi). Both have pros and cons here, can anyone else shed some light? Heres why I'm really scared. If a mafia fake claims to a "trusted" source who he supposedly checked. Then that represenitive might be innocent but the mafia isn't. That's what I'm scared of. Also, I think it would still be okay because isn't citizen confirmed basically? So we can trust him. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a little groggy. | ||
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On July 25 2010 03:34 SiNiquity wrote: Well with 2 / 2 KP roles have claimed (Tricode Vigilante and Citi.zen Mad Hatter), and with no counter claims up to this point, it seems likely that they're both innocent. The only scenario I can imagine where even one of these players isn't innocent is if: 1. Mafia knew the identify of the other KP role (else this player could blow the whistle at any time). 2. Knew that the other KP role would be inactive today (maybe they posted something to this effect). As far as I can tell, the only way 1. could be accomplished is if they had already infiltrated a DT circle. This then requires 3. Knew that the DT would be inactive today (as the DT would also know 1.) I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it. Am I missing anything, or barring this outlandish scenario are Tricode and Citi.zen clean? Yeah, pretty sure. I had been thinking about this for a while now(past 20 minutes) and I was thinking up a couple of ideas. Would it be good for everyone just to pm roleclaim to either Tricode/Citizen. I mean, they're both clean. This could really really help us. And in the chance that a mafia will counter claim to be a kp town, than we have 3 suspects to deal with. DONT ROLECLAIM YET, NEED FEEBACK | ||
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On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote: I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/ 1)This sentence confuses me. If you felt threatened, why would you abstian. I'm positive I'm just slow and you have a good reason but just in case can you clarify? | ||
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On July 25 2010 04:16 bumatlarge wrote: ##Unvote bloodyc0bbler ##vote Southrawarea I think this is like my 5th vote change, sorry BM and sorry south, its for the great good you dirty mafiaso. Don't do this. This is bad(I think)*. Always support why you are voting him. It's stuff like this that it just leads to bandwagons after one seemingly good post attacking a player. Wait to make your decision, or at least give reasons. Not saying your neccesarily wrong, but I'd just want to encourage the above type of posting. *gosh I hate being a first time player | ||
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On July 25 2010 06:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Okay, I can see this line of thinking now. However, so far 1, seems to be backfiring since South has already garnered several votes. And i doubt he had his posts written for him; they're not persuasive at all. Put yourself in the mafias shoes. If citizen is really the hatter, how would you disrupt the plan? The strategies i detailed in my longish post on page 96 (i think its 96) involving false DT claims would be much more powerful and harder to combat than sending out SouthRawrea to meekly claim that he's the real Mad Hatter. Like I said before, never assume the mafia are idiots. The other possibility no one has mentioned is that BC and Tricode are both red and we have 2 Hatters (possible yes... realistic probably not) @Bolded section. How would that work? Day 2 there were 3 hits. | ||
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On July 25 2010 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok, so its been close to two hours since citizens last post. Its nearing (if i've counted properly) 3 hours till end of day and the guy has literally vanished. He has ignored relevant posts by mulitple players that demand his attention. He has pushed that people vote then vanished off the face of the earth. In the face of what he has proposed, why would he be inactive? He has to prove his plan is completely sound here, and what do I see, an inactive person trying to slide under the radar and stay "trusted" to garnish DT information be it their roles, or just who they have confirmed. He also has people who have been mostly inactive the majority of the game coming forth to defend him, where were they? they are all players who have played in multiple games and should see the same issues with his plan that Myself and others have. Instead they are blind trusting? That isn't something someone with experience would just do this early in the game. Until he really comes out to defend himself (not pointing fingers at others) but seriously address' the issues so far posted the last few pages, he is looking very scum ## vote citizen This sums up my feelings pretty well. Add to this that he has barely responded during a period when day's about to end, his plan is up to debate, and a counter claim. There have been decent arguments against his plan, yet many times he only focuses on the weak one, thus "negating all of them." Sometimes he doesn't respond at all. To those people who voted south originally so then he could "post more" it's time to change that. Time to make a decision. Thus I ##Unvote ##Vote Cit.zen Zeks, I still got my eye on you >.< | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia. We've taken out probably the most important mafia member and the most experienced. We've stopped him from trying to figure out the two dts. We have a fadoodle load of information we can analyze based on who supported him and who didn't. And yes, we have a confirmed townie to boot. On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt? This post is a bit confusing (PM me to clarify?) But we get two bombs placed by citizen, who's far more likely to have placed a bomb on mafia than south, and in addition we get to analyze all posts relating to those people as well. I do think citizens scumhunting abilities are good.... IF HES TOWN. If he's not, than I can't trust him. On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together. I agree with this. If he is mafia, than we have got a huge advantage. Still, there are holes in citizens plans however, and while they could be amended, we just don't have the time. However, we are in NO position to make such huge leaps of faith. As mentioned by several people and in this post, it is far safer and more logical to lynch citizen. On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while. We lynch an innocent mad hatter, citizen therefore is red. However as mentioned by others theres a decent chance of him being suicide. Killing a possible red is no reason to lynch a blue. I'm sorry youngmini, I won't change my will or anything, but the Secret Friendship Alliance only goes so far! | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote: The confirmed dt knows of all the claims. I will not reveal their names publicly at this point - it would condemn the real one. It also has no bearing on what you guys need to do: lynch south so you get a 1pp% confirmed red. One way or another. Yayyyyyyyyyyy win /win situation. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: And this DT is confirmed how? Because he checked you and got Hatter and claimed to you? Because that doesn't matter when you are a prime GF candidate. And lynching south doesn't get a confirmed red because if he's innocent we still have to sort out between you and tricode and if red it seems like a dead end. Awww fadoodle. Rofl, what if citizen got played. | ||
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BB stick by your vote. You could be lynching "potentially anybody" but then you use logic and reason to slim it down. You've seen theres just way too many oddities in Citizens play. | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:33 citi.zen wrote: The townies who voted with the mafia need to stop playing this game. Forever. This is as clear cut as it gets: BC, Inf, Chaos, Tree.hugger, South are red. Perhaps after you lynch me you will... I don't know... go after one of them. You have a double lynch to use. By the way: to avoid this dumb town situation, the mad hatter is actually the SECOND player my DT checked, not myself. I claimed in his place to keep them safe for one more night. Now they have all they need to accurately place their bombs. I am plain vanilla town, as you are about to find out when I flip. Remember: BC, Inf, Chaos, Tree.hugger, South. Plus whoever fake claimed. What the fadoodle.... | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:35 SouthRawrea wrote: Also, Pandain, you must post the contents of our PMs. They're of the utmost importance for tommorow if I die tonight. Oh yeah, turns out he's not just canadian but also canadian-korean. | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:55 bumatlarge wrote: Just wanna go over tricodes posts to find something + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 07:56 Tricode wrote: From that list above i believe it can be a agreed on a majority is saying we should lynch an inactive. Other then that I don't really feel like we have enough information yet to even try to snipe someone....well unless they're is a very stupid mafia member. On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. On July 18 2010 10:45 Tricode wrote: Keep using that reasoning through the whole game. Mind you that there are clever players and mafia will always try to manipulate the game by lying. Add to the equation everyone's fear of being lynched. Then add the fact we have no clues. Mafia don't have to really say anything. You would have to leave the game to a dt (if they find someone and if they come out) to tell you who is red. Then add the fact if that DT is really a dt. But like i said, try using your reasoning through out the whole game if we just kept abstaining cause we aren't sure all the time. On July 21 2010 04:02 Tricode wrote: Hey just finished catching up, sorry for inactivity had to drop my dad off the airport last night and then went to a relatives house. Also every time i refresh or hit next page, it seems like you guys would just add another page on me! There was just so much to read! As for now, I find BrownBear's ideas are unhelpful. Wanting to have our vets reveal themselves. Might be a good plan for other circumstances, but in your one and only example that you gave where your scenario worked, you seemed to have some godly player who was just able to survive for once. That doesn't mean that same scenario can apply here (no offense to you vets). Also this doesn't take the heat off BrownBear for his posts earlier and inactivity especially how BB voted. It seems like you just analyzed a situation real quick came up with a game plan to throw people off your back. I feel you are a better player then how you are presenting yourself this game and I will be awaiting to see more of your responses before making a vote. Also a few of you seem to be causing annoying chaos. I would keep an eye on these people. They could possibly be a mafia member who are trying to be active, but just annoying enough to act like a stupid townie and cause confusion. Like DTA (though he could just think acting like this would keep him alive in the game for what ever purposes he has in mind, even just being a townie that just wants to avoid mafia attention). For w/e reason (I'm desperately looking for a job/Real life shit/ video games) if I am absent for the time being I will vote for BB for how odd he is so far in this game with inactivity, his vote, his suggestion that seems to only distract attention from him, what others have pointed out about him, and I feel he hasn't portrayed himself in this game like he did in the last game I played with him where he had more of a dominate presence that helped the town. My vote will change if there is a better candidate. ##Vote BrownBear On July 22 2010 12:07 Tricode wrote: This is pathetic, it took me a whole freaken day just to catch up to all your posts and even then I had to skim through some of them and the crap that you guys filled it up with. There is just way too much chaos and this game is moving faster then I can keep up. The only reason I see for killing Darth is because his nonsense is causing more confusion to the game more then others, but there are still others who are causing confusion. With this madness I am abstaining so I can watch and see what unfolds. Hopefully everyone can start watching and reading to things more carefully instead of cluster fucking the thread with useless information that does not help the case or killing someone for hindrance reasoning. Though I am believing we are in need of a plan and looking into analyzing what people say more. Though if people like DTA keep their shit up, it will become more difficult to do this cause it is distracting. Also please people don't just see one little action and instantly call out mafia. Try to watch the person and build up a reasonable case. I am betting a portion of you are just confused and not sure what to do and just voting with the crowd or who ever argues the most aggressively. For now I am abstaining my vote like i said, for reasons of just wanting to have a bit more solidness of reasoning in who I pick and vote for. ##unvote ##vote abstain So far he doesn't mention BC once, which I find odd. If he planned on hitting him, it was certainly spur of the moment. Why wouldn't he pick one of the people he mentioned? I also find it weird that he now supports BC :/ sounds fairly wishy washy. On July 23 2010 16:11 Tricode wrote: Yes and now after letting the vigi know you are going to lynch him lol, how do you propose in finding this vig? soft claims vig? On July 23 2010 16:24 Tricode wrote: Meh fine I guess, I will take one for the team. I was the vig. I was aiming at BC Reasons: Who the fuck didn't see it coming from me? Also to the med who protected BC. I hate you with a true passion. When you guys do kill me to prove what I am saying, I will be honest, I tried reading this thread but it is hard with flame wars and ridiculous claims and finger pointing. The person under most of my suspicion is youngminii. From comments he had in the beginning when he seemed afraid that BC was accusing him as being mafia (which BC wasn't). To attacking and finger pointing anyone he had a chance to do so at. Everyone was scummy for what ever lame reason and he tried to push it hard until he could jump to the next person. He jumped a lot from what I can tell. Now knowing all of you, you will probably say what I am saying is B.S. and just lynch me. In which I don't care and go ahead to prove what ever crap you want to believe in. After that I hope you all play well and good luck you will all need it. If for w/e reason i do live. I will contribute w/e and do w/e to help the town, but to be honest I can't really keep up with how much you guys post. Might be just because of personal issues or something i have going on. Also everyone should listen to BC keep him alive as long as possible. I trust him and so should you. You will get your proof of innocence after my death. OK um wow, he says he thinks youngminii is suspicious, and starts saying he doesnt care if he gets lynched, which kinda makes it either seem like an apathetic towny who failed or a really deep scum trying to get away with being a vig, which in itself is pretty ridiculous. Says to trust BC which seems really fishy. Why is he trusting the person he tried to kill? On July 23 2010 16:35 Tricode wrote: And I would of gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling medic! God way to ruin everything. Both he and BC play it off like D3 never even accused them of that... On July 23 2010 16:47 Tricode wrote: You are the only one who has figured me out this whole game. Though I guess you don't know me, if you read my earlier posts I mention how I only join mafia games in hopes that one day I can kill BC. Since now I used up my vig, that dream has to remain for another game. Now I am basically a green townie with the vig name. So since I can't kill him might as well not be a true douche about it. What good would advocating his death and lying do? That would be beyond douchey of me if I did. Either case, my dream failed. So you gunned or him because you wanted to, how very untown-like I really dont feel comfortable keeping someone like this around, if there going to put some secret desire to kill someone for fun. And I don't think tricode is some noob player, which is weird. On July 24 2010 11:04 Tricode wrote: ##vote Abstain Place holder. I want to see what everyone says before I place my vote. On July 24 2010 15:55 Tricode wrote: BC seems confident about southrawrea and does have good analysis on him. And I would like to lynch mafia this time round. So Changing my vote ##unvote youngmini ##Vote: southrawrea On July 25 2010 06:50 Tricode wrote: There is only 2kp roles. So it's unlikely that there are 2 mad hatters when I'm the vig. Also instead of defending yourself, you seem to like to show your hard work that is irrelevant to this game and does not prove anything other then your busy. On July 25 2010 06:57 Tricode wrote: You just asked Zek "why don't you suspect citizen", that isn't really a reason why not to look at you still. You were just trying to bounce off your FoS to citizen instead of defending yourself and giving valid reasons in why we should trust you over citizen. Says he agrees with BC, but doesn't change his vote from south to citi, and posts after a little bit. Thats really suspicious in my book when you add everything up. If a mad hatter gets lynched tonight, I think we need to go after this guy. Hopefully one of them put a bomb on BC, because that would help tremendously in figuring some stuff out. Also hope the DT situation gets resolved very soon... Tricode has an ndying hatred of BC and always wants to kill him. That is a fact of nature. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:01 Bill Murray wrote: day is over im on page 103 and getting ever increasingly mad at chaoser for having every single votecount fucked up in terms of South and Citi.zen votecounts haha it's going to end up like I get lynched or something. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:03 zeks wrote: Whoever thinks that citi.zen did a townie gambit is retarded after tonight Confused. What does this mean? | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:05 flamewheel wrote: My name is flamewheel, and I am really confused. Also, apparently I am a kitty! <3<3<3<3 Cats can be some of the cutest things but every cat is a demon spawned from hell :/ | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:15 Bill Murray wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLnight.png) citi.zen was busy planting It is now night. Sorry the daypost sucked, but at least I made it on time. I have to get dinner, get a shower, and get drunk. toodloo Wait so the mafia killed him? Confuzzled | ||
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1) People rushing to stop Citizens plan (possible mafia) 2)Mafia didn't need to rush to save him. 3)Citizen is the master of plans within plans 4)Citizen still has a plan. Sort of like Foundation with Hari Seldon. He's dead, but his dream lives on.(Hell of a referene) | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:18 youngminii wrote: Actually fuck that, move BC to the top because he's the most influential. SouthRawrea Chaoser BC Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town) Quote this every page. Thanks. Okay... way to not give me a chance. Youngmini, you were I was the true rep of the DT. We used you because you came up green but we were unsure as to whether you were GF. Therefore, we came up with a plan that if I died, you would be GF, or at least likely. Citizen knew about this, he coaxed it out of me. Don't know if he told anyone else though? Did he? | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:20 tree.hugger wrote: As I said, we still have an intact town circle, and to make matters better, we've still got the MH left. That's all well and good. You can suspect me all you want, but basically the more pressing issue is South v. BC/Tricode. We need a good way of figuring that out and only one/two people know. Either that, or citi.zen's MH is the godfather, which would qualify as a TL Mafia pimpest play, imo. Haha yeah. Wait so.............. Out of South, Tricode, and Citizens "Mad hatter" ONE OF THEM IS MAFIA | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I dunno how to make this any clearer: Being Townie 101 1. Do not lie to town. 1a. Do not pretend to be blue. Being Blue 101 1. Do not lie to town. 2. Do not give your blue role to someone who isn't fully confirmed, especially not in the first couple of days. We've had so much trouble over the past 3 days because of the refusal of good players to stick to the fundamentals. Some people want to be flashy, they wanna be a hero, they are impatient, etc. The key to town is to act as a crowd, to not stick out. That way, the mafia sticks out and gets caught. When town members get these bright ideas about goofing around to draw out reds they just end up sticking out themselves. The problem is that we were going to let young into the circle yet as soon as citizen turns out to be green(not even blue) he just recklessly posts it. | ||
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Yeah, but right away? Heck. HE WASNT EVEN BLUE! You can't deny that citizen had been playing weird. He had been. Everyone knows that, and its evidence from his plans within plans and fakeclaiming. Youngmini we were doing a logical play to figure out if your mafia. It didn't reveal the true dt. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote: Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?What the fadoodle man? Is anyone listening for my explanations? No one do anything rash like that lol. At least wait for discussion. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote: 'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. No. Man, your fadoodling this up. "Oh Citizen was green therefore EVERYONE who thought he was suscpioius is mafia!" Maybe 1 or 2 are, but even bringing in Amber? He's frickin innocent! 'Less he's GF. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote: 'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote: Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote: Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote: This is exactly how the mafia would react in this given situation: Kill of citi.zen then have everyone back out into a corner and defend themselves like chaoser is doing right now. No, you will not be spared. Also, I like my hit list and I will keep it that way. Also, if citi.zen is telling the truth and SouthRawr is not, then Tricode is almost definitely also telling the truth, hence Tricode should not be on the list. BC SouthRawrea Chaoser Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town) You will not be reasoned with. I request other people to try and see the light. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote: No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote: Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If pandains claim is legit, he would have a copy of pm's no? I am guessing as would citizen's people. Citizen knows I was. I kept it vague so he wouldn't find out who the DT was though. Also: Which PM's do you want. also I repeat: If we are going to get ANYTHING done, we are going to have to be calm, and patient. We have 24 hours people. Let's analyze the information. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote: If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young. | ||
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----------------------------------------- Original Message: T_T caught again. Honestly not sure how to respond just because you and him might be mafia. But then again, all this ever did was plan to see if youngmini was GF. Let's just say that youngmini doesn't know who the real DT is. faaack word slip.. Of course if you and him are both mafia that plan goes to null :/. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: was* ----------------------------------------- Original Message: <--- confused about that sentence. "he only said he as the dt rep." ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Interesting, he only said he as the DT rep. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Nah I'm just part of a trust circle. Youngmini's. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Just to be clear: you are saying you are a DT? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: The people who claimed dt. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Who is "us"? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Heh doesn't matter. It was in regards to something else. Yeah, one of us is mafia. My previous thing doesn't mean anything. But damn, I knew it was a good plan but this far? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Just happened. The mafia is digging themselves deeper. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: If a triple claim happens PM me first. I'm going to remain purposely vague The triple claim thing was a thing where I was afraid ??? had accidently pmed citizen first. Than young said "Hey, I'm going to pm citizen" What could I do? Had to think quick, couldn't just say no without reason. The original plan was that Citizen would be pmed by young, and than I would get the info. Then I would send it to DT. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote: So now you're claiming your DT came up to you and told you all this information without having even confirmed you? Even when he already had 2 people to trust? Bad theory is bad. Let's just say I forced it out of him. and no, he had one. And that person I had already been in contact with. I'm not going to say much more about this in depth just because I don't want to reveal to much. Have to talk it over. | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:59 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Forced it out of him? What the hell does that even mean. I can't think of any legitimate reason for this. I wouldn't try to get a DTs role from someone because role fishers are mafia. Listen, it's complicated. I don't even know if I should talk about it even more. | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:00 chaoser wrote: What do you mean forced? How does that work? Well okay. But THIS IS AS FAR AS I'LL GO!!! I knew he was DT, had info from the other circle. Than I confronted him. | ||
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1.Mine 2.Rastabans 3.Citizens Hmm... any suggestions about how to go from here? Or perhaps we should begin to analyze the posts for/against citizen and compare from previous posts. | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote: Let's blow the real taco stand. Citi.zen was my mouthpiece. I am the real mad hatter. My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea. I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish. I'm right here. Kill me. *facepalm* Are you serious? | ||
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Hahaha didn't mean that. Young, the sooner you stop trying to paint me as mafia and look at logic, the shorter the embarrasement is going to be after the game. | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:10 youngminii wrote: So how are you going to argue your whole "I was working with citi.zen" theory now that someone from his group has claimed? I doubt Citizen revealed it to his group. Perhaps. Zeks, did he? | ||
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Lmao.... (this doesn't help :/). Define working. If you mean pming him, yeah. In his circle? no. | ||
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On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote: Let's blow the real taco stand. Citi.zen was my mouthpiece. I am the real mad hatter. My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea. I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish. I'm right here. Kill me. Haha why no reaction? I think we need to talk about this lol. | ||
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On July 25 2010 13:35 Subversion wrote: youngminii you are becoming a reckless loose cannon dude. you need to chill out, in your eagerness you're becoming a bad townie. not everything you say is fact. you are not mafia god. i trust pandain on this one. you were in BC's list of potential GF picks, so you showing up green townie (the most commonly chosen GF role) would make someone just a little suspicious. the idea of getting a vanilla townie who the DT trusts to PM you and tell you all truths (funneled from the real DT) and then see if he dies is a good one. This way if he immediateely dies the next night, you are a REALLY good choice for GF. And town doesn't lose a valuable blue. How is this farfetched? Seems like pretty solid reasoning. You need to chill out dude. Looks like I'll have to form a new Secret Friendship alliance -,-. | ||
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On July 26 2010 01:32 youngminii wrote: He claims that DT checked you, me and blindly went up to Pandain with all this information without even having checked DT. He also claims that he talked to citi.zen which has been confirmed, however citi.zen rejected any offer that Pandain had because of suspicion etc. Just clearing it up so everyone can hear my story. I found out about DT, and confronted him. He didn't go up to me. He gave me the information because I already knew he was DT lol. And I didn't have any offer for citizen, don't know where that came from. On July 26 2010 01:32 youngminii wrote: Also, I find it kind of funny that Pandain lynches citi.zen (also after I explicitly told him not to, and that I would expose him if he did and citi.zen flipped green, which was met with no rebuttal) because citi.zen false claimed to protect a blue whereas Pandain literally did the same thing yet expects people to blindly follow him. Yeah, that's still an incredibally stupid thing to do considering you had no proof I was fake claiming. What If I was the real DT? You could've just revealed me. This is why we can't just reveal anyone to the DT, cause they could do stupid stuff like this. I don't expect people to blindly follow me, I expect them to trust me. Just like how we now trust citizen. The difference being I came right out and said it while citizen delayed until like 5 minutes before night lol. | ||
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On July 26 2010 02:14 youngminii wrote: You came right out and said it AFTER I revealed you. At least citi.zen claimed BEFORE day ended. It doesn't matter if you approached DT, the fact that he did not have any evidence that you are town is an obvious reason for him not to trust you. Also, I had all the proof I needed. You lynched citi.zen without a second thought after I threatened to reveal you if citi.zen flipped green. You didn't even seem to care about this, if you really were DT/DT rep you would have tried to reason with me. Also, I'll be quite surprised if you're actually town, but I would assume that would mean your DT is playing you, unless Zeks comes out with new info. I lynched citizen because i thought he was guilty. You in fact were blind to several arguments and made the right decision I think mainly out of luck. And I Didn't care that I would get "revealed" because I wasn't the dt lol. Why do you think I was so confident? | ||
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On July 26 2010 06:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Except you can pm anyone saying "sup your green" A mafia can guess those odds rather easily, and if citizen calls em out its a simple matter of two people arguing over whos word is more legit. In your case you can say he was checked, or the like, but he lied about his role in a situation where him flipping makes your/dt role questionable rather than confirmed. Sorry dude. Actually it seems to me that upon citizen's death his plan became assured. Since we know he was townie, we can trust what he said about having a mad hatter/zeks. I assume he wanted to fake claim mad hatter so than zeks wouldn't be lynched like he was. We can trust Citizen that zeks it mad hatter because zeks didn't speak up when citizen fake claimed. Therefore they had a plan. Since citizen knew who the real mad hatter is, and I'm 99% confident Tricode is a vigi. South is mafia, no doubt. | ||
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On July 26 2010 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your also assuming the "check on a hatter" was a real check on a hatter. Seriously citizen could have chosen a red to be checked and gotten screwed. If they pointed at a green he coulda shot citizen and called it a day. and now im gone. So now we have a GF as mad hatter? You're saying they 1)Picked Zeks as GF 2)The DT just happened to check the GF. Why would the godfather honest pick mad hatter? This is like one of the few uses it could have, and heck if for example Tricode wasn't vigi than mad hatter would be really bad. Am I correct that GF's don't generally pick mad hatter? | ||
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On July 26 2010 06:44 SouthRawrea wrote: Hello, I would just like to inform you that all posts were written of my own volition and were written by me . I would like to begin by stating, damn this didn't work out the way I wanted it to. You see: I'm not actually Mad Hatter. I'll explain it all in the day. Not mafia either by the way.Omfadoodle. Another plot twist? This is more chaotic than a crazy bull stuck in a keyhole. | ||
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On July 26 2010 06:44 SouthRawrea wrote: Hello, I would just like to inform you that all posts were written of my own volition and were written by me . I would like to begin by stating, damn this didn't work out the way I wanted it to. You see: I'm not actually Mad Hatter. I'll explain it all in the day. Not mafia either by the way.I'm eagerly awaitng your explanation now | ||
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Tricode and Zeks are both confirmed townies since theres no counter claim.(yay for that) This does not mean that Southrawrea is innocent however. | ||
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On July 26 2010 07:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Kk don't wanna get killed so BloodyCobbler is actually the Mad Hatter claimee. He PMed me on day 2 (if I can count) telling me that he placed a bomb on me. He then explained that he PMed me because if I were mafia I wouldn't be able to kill him without getting killed. I trusted him because of this reasoning. I initially counter-claimed late when he msged me but yeah.. people started voting me even more so I tried to get Citi.zen lynched. This way I would know if Cobbler was telling the truth. Last night's green claim completely threw me off because Citi.zen was in my position except with a DT. I'm so fucked in the head right now .. sorry if I completely ruined the game. It must be the dynamics of a game so big or just the fact that I'm so damn stupid. Not sure if I screwed up in any other way while I was inactive.. :/ *shakes his head* 1. Mafia would've still killed him. IT's only one person, and he would've gotten a blue. And why woudl he be in danger? 2.Are you high? | ||
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Pandain: Man, I can't believe every single one of us got the role Village Idiot by accident. Brown Bear: Yeah, I know right? Also South, you better be able to defend yourself. | ||
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On July 26 2010 09:15 Tricode wrote: Fucking morons...seriously So South claims MH. Then he makes up some weird stupid story saying BC claimed MH to him and I guess unclaimed being MH? Does South's story even make sense? 1. Obviously this is a Bull Shit story in which case South tries to deflect suspicion off him to BC (cause there was some there anyways) 2. The stupid story fails and we kill both them. Why would both want each other killed, BC initiated reasoning and was the one who put South in the lynching corner to begin with. 3. Now South seems to want to drag BC with him. My policy is not to not trust anyone 100% that includes BC, but does this actually seem right to you in what's going on. Why would 2 mafia members expose themselves like this right now, why wouldn't they try to save at least one of them even if it is just a little bit of time? 1. Well originally BC was trying to save South from getting lynched. But you're right, I do have a little suscipsion that South is just trying to bring down BC with him. Though maybe that wouldn't make much sense considering we were (assumingly) going to lynch him anyway. We'll have to wait for night at least to decide for sure. | ||
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Also, its going to be either Zeks or BC now. I trust Zeks as a mad hatter more. Mainly because citizen was a greenie who had probably hatched up this whole plan. BC being a MH just came out of nowhere. I'll have to see his reaction to it. | ||
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On July 26 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote: ROFL @ the stupidity. I will seriously make a list and in the future refuse to join a game if more than 2 people on it sign up for that game. I'm definitely on it .Anyway, at least the day post will give us alot of info. | ||
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On July 26 2010 10:53 SouthRawrea wrote: One sec.. there's no rules against PM posting right? I vaguely remember something BM said. Also, I wouldn't be in this stupid problem if someone claimed green sooner >.> You can't post PM's from BM. You can from other players. | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:07 Bill Murray wrote: Subversion turns up dead in the night. He was a Detective it is now day day will end at 9pm EST (10kst) on what is the 27th in America. Sorry for the delayed post, I honestly forgot about it. I'm at the gas station my fiance works at making this post... lol. *takes a gun and shoots himself* | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:11 chaoser wrote: Well this is good, ish. Only one dead, IT didn't activate. What does this mean... It means we've lost a detective when we still haven't killed any red. Mean's we're pretty fadoodled. | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:29 youngminii wrote: You trusted Pandain WITHOUT EVEN CHECKING HIM. YOU GAVE HIM ALL YOUR INFORMATION WITHOUT CONFIRMING HIS ROLE. Ignore my previous post about Pandain being GF, I completely forgot that YOU DIDN'T EVEN CHECK HIM. I outed your UNCHECKED rep, I'm GLAD you're out of this game. If Pandain flips red this is what you did: you told mafia that you're DT and you told him all the information that you were able to gain. Good work. Haha checking me would be a waste. I already knew. And yes if I was red I would actually be good at this game n.n. But since I'm green I suck haha | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:31 youngminii wrote: Lol I'll actually be impressed if(when) you flip red. Very sneaky play, I still want to know how you figured out Subversion was DT. 2 people in our circle. Subversion made a direct claim to him, we and him had been chatting, he told me. I confront Subversion. | ||
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##SouthRarwarer Zeks I'm hoping you have some outside information. Normally wouldn't do this but I'm trusting you. | ||
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On July 26 2010 12:29 bumatlarge wrote: Oh also how exactly did scum know sub was a DT? Did you guys spread the PM circle a little too far? :/ Nah, it was just me and another guy. And I found out from him so..... We were going to tell youngmini if subversion didn't die during the night, however this doesn't count since he revealed it anyway Thinkin along with my defense (I think I gave a lil' too much info) and just Subversion in general he was a good mob hit. | ||
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On July 26 2010 12:58 Divinek wrote: wait so sorry if i didnt catch it if you explained it before but why did the other guy tell you subversion was dt in the first place if he didnt know you were not red? and why were you going to tell young if you didnt know he was not red? Other guy told me cause we trusted each other. We were cautious of telling young, since he has/had been acting weird. We were afraid he might be GF faking as townie. So I came up with an idea. I would pretend to be dt, fake claim to youngmini. If i died during the night, Subversion could tell with good certainty that young was gf, and he could bust him. | ||
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##Vote Abstain so now my three votes are double lynch, abstain, and bc | ||
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Guys vote for double lynch. Just vote for that first, don't have to make a decision about the other stuff. If two more people vote for bloody and south and double lynch, than we lynch those two but get no double lynch next time. #Unvote BC Just until we're sure of getting double lynch. | ||
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On July 26 2010 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: so, your expecting me to believe that someone who fake claim dt, and outed his checks, then claimed dt mouth and admitted to knowing who the dt was, are claiming that you aren't the reason he died? Sounds like your a total fuckup kid. Frick, I forgot I was a total fadoodleup. what do you mean "outed his checks." I fake claimed DT to a guy we were going to let into our group. If I died, he would likely be GF and Subversion could've busted him. Is that so hard to believe? I might actually be the reason he died :/ but only because youngmini forced me to reveal some information regarding him. I was afraid I revealed to much, and I may have accidently caused him. But directly? Via mafia? No, I did not kill him. | ||
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On July 26 2010 14:48 SiNiquity wrote: I swear I'm going to strangle you with the noose myself.. hehe fail again. ##Vote BloodyCobblar ##Vote SouthRawrsr Not sure about South, but it looks like he's going to get killed anyway :/ | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:21 Divinek wrote: my logical trail takes me down the same path, ill likely end up on a liar as well for my other vote because if you're town for fuck sakes dont openly lie to the town, at least in such a stupid and poor manner Just to clear it up, I did NOT lie to town. I lied only to Youngmini because we were going to let him into the circle but had to be sure he wasn't GF(since he had checked green.). I did NOT lie to the town or jeopardize it, until Youngmini reaveled it, probably with good intentions :/. It was ???,Subversion, and I's secret expirement. If I still lived, than youngmini wasn't GF and we would let him in our group. That's the extent of my lie, to youngmini for one day. The pms with Subversion I posted verify this. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EXCEPT, you sent a fake dt mouth to citizen, then went to him yourself and claimed dt mouth. This is a entire wrench potentially tossed into citizen's plan (as shoddy as I think it is). As town that is such a bad call. Thats creating a situation to break someones entire plan/wasting checks etc... You knowingly made yourself a third dt/voice claimant. Hehe forgot. But again, we had a plan for this.(plans! Plans!). I didn't go to him myself. Youngmini did. So basically, I was going to get into contact with the other DT, and than relay the info to Subversion, probably telling him who the REAL dt was. Since Youngmini wanted to pm citizen, I couldn't just say no. So.... I told him to. Than citizen finds out. Now HE knows I'm the real dt rep. So I was basically going to replace youngmini in that regards. You're actually right though, if I had let youngmini tell citizen i was dt, it could've wasted checks. My mistake. I guess I had to think fast so I couldn't really make a thorough decision. Yay citizen for catching my word slip! yayyyy | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:24 Tricode wrote: ##Vote SouthRawrea ##Vote rastaban Apparently BC is both MH/DT, because that makes perfect sense and only adds a pile of shit and more confusion. The fact that some how BC claimed to two different roles through pm is highly unlikely and very risky move and once again still unlikely. These two idiots are just causing confusion and trying to push BC's lynch. I find the margin very slim that BC is red (though hell anything is possible), but as more accusations and claims are made about BC, the more fucked up, weird, and terrible the stories get. Please actually consider and analyze what is being said. I actually think theres a slight chance that south is mafia yet just trying to bring down BC with him. Any theories on that? Feedback as always. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: wait, you were openly trying to milk the dt name from citizen who you believed was legit (or at least legit enough to claim too), then after your called out for lying your dt dies? Dude what the hell. ???? Yeah I am, I was the rep for subversion. Wasn't that citizen's plan to tell the dt reps to contact each other? The only reason youngmini got involved was because there had to be a slight modification of the plan so that we could continue to see if YM was GF. Subversioni died because 1)I let leak too much info and mafia was able to confirm 2) Along with his original blue claim and behavior was able to confirm 3)???(other circle guy) is mafia, highly highly HIGHLY doubt that. 99.9999% not. Do you want any PM's of me/sub talking bou't this? I'd be happy to share. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Lying in PM = lying to town, because whoever gets your mail and catches you in a lie has an obligation to tell the town about it. Maybe if you are DT and check a red you can try lying to them to get more info but really that will probably just screw you over. Again, that's true. I was going to tell Youngmini the truth if Citizen ended up being blue/green. However, within 30 seconds probably he already had told so................. yeah. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I find it more amusing you think im dumb enough to multiclaim to people. I'm smart enough to know I'd be outted for something like that. But then again, with half the crap going on this game, the low level of thinking doesn't surprise me. 1.Rastaban had said(before revealing who DT is) that there was a triple claim. This is true. Therefore Rastaban did have a DT or had inflitrated. However, Zeks could easily have said"You didn't have a DT". Subversion and zeks' person are dts. Therefore Rastaban's "DT" is not. Its whether Rastaban is more trust worthy than you and I believe he is. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:48 SiNiquity wrote: More importantly, BC's death gives us something concrete to go off of. Much like Day 3 where Tricode red ==> BC red, we now have BC not red ==> South and Rasta red. So it's a win/win for town. Either get one red (BC) or two (South & Rasta). I wish it were so but sadly we have a double lynch. So its a mafia/innocent or mafia mafia. Still gives us info, but not us win/win | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:54 Protactinium wrote: With a full game's worth of PMs from both Pandain and Subversion, I can show you that this "secret experiment" was not anything planned between the three of us. In fact, Pandain went at it on his own, and did not consult Subversion or myself. I'll repost this pm. Btw is there a way to like show it in pm format? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: To: youngminii [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Secret Date: 7/23/10 15:42 Okay, I'm making a risk. I know it could lead to my death but w/e, I trust you. I think your too active to be GF. I'm the DT. Amber and you are both townies. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: which 1? can u post me the PM ----------------------------------------- Original Message: pmed him now. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: That's a good plan, lets do that. I'll tell u all the checks, so u wont even rly be lying either. I wonder, if we shouldn't try the same thing with Amber? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Actually I have a plan. I could reveal to him I'm the DT. Then I will die if he's GF, and then you can come out and bust him. I really think that's a good plan. Since your the only one(besides proct) that I can trust, what do you think. I clearly did tell Subversion You were probably awol, as you do alot cause of your guests. It's true that sometimes I have to make decisions fast because out of us 3 I was the most active. For example, when youngmini wanted to pm citizen I couldn't just say no. I delayed for like 7 minutes after I pmed you guys and had to make a decision. Checking my pms for other stuff. | ||
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On July 26 2010 16:06 Divinek wrote: heyyy pandain can you post the pm that bc supposedly sent you ??? Quote me where I said he sent me that. | ||
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On July 26 2010 16:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: IF town was so sure of my guilt, they would be lynching zeks to do a few things. Prove his alignment, prove mine, prove southrawrs. INSTEAD he has said which means he has no bombs on me or SR. IE they could be anywhere. The soul means of proof he had to 100% clear his dt, clear himself, get info from me and SR is now moot. Effectively saving himself from having to prove his own identity. Do I think he is likely real based on SR/Rasta trying to off me? Yes, but he moved his bombs regardless, so him dying now becomes potentially harmful to the town depending on where those bombs went. I think (well) The reason I believe zeks is because he was foretold by Citizen. Since citizen is townie, than zeks is truly a mad hatter. Either that or GF and tricked Citizen/dt, but then we're screwed anyway so doesn't matter. | ||
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The best laid schemes of mice and men gang aft agley mean that even the most thought out plans can backfire, leaving us only grief and pain for promisd joy. Yeah but I was like WTF originally. | ||
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On July 27 2010 13:07 Subversion wrote: lol, no fucking way am i taking the blame. screw u guys ^_^ Lol Subversion stop talking! n.n | ||
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On July 27 2010 16:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: Here Xelin says to lynch the least inactive person.....Funny coming from a man with 12 posts.... (Let me point out I'm quoting all of them. So I'm not leaving anything out) Don't think he knew he would be inactive, pretty sure (from what I cant tell) RL issues just sprang up. Xelin can verify/contradict this. On July 27 2010 16:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: Another disparaging statement towards inactivity....Really....Xelin... Think he's saying we should RNG people, that's what I get from the overall post. On July 27 2010 16:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Not even twelve minutes later he has went through ALL of Youngmini's HUGE amount of posts, and decided he was scummy? Really....in twelve minutes... At the point he said that youngmini only had 14 posts since the game started. Not that hard to analyze eh? I do think he's just been inactive, maybe he has regular work or something. I wouldn't account his low post count to being mafia, it may be indicative but does not mean he is mafia. Causality does not prove causation (my brother always said that to me n.n). Perhaps you are right about him and BC. Personally I think that either south is mafia and BC innocent, or vice versa. However, we'll have more info to analyze on xelin once we see what BC is. If he is mafia, perhaps we may have to look more strictly at Xelin. Until then, I wouldn't consider him a main or even good lynch target. As I said, after today we should have enough information to either rule him out or watch him. | ||
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On July 27 2010 17:28 Divinek wrote: how can we have any information he hasnt been involved in any discussions at all and his contributed NOTHING to helping us in the last what week? lol rl issues are not a good way to avoid getting lynched, for all we know people could be making that stuff up and even if they arent if you arent contributing then what's the point Oh I was talking about Opz argument about him possibly being connected with BC. I'm saying that if BC IS red, than its more of a valid reason to suspect Xelin than the reasons we have right now. | ||
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On July 28 2010 04:43 DarthThienAn wrote: DarthThienAn comes back from the grave. I killed Bill Murray. kthx. Bill Murray the Godfather is now dead. | ||
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Rastaban and SouthRawarer please post the pms both sent and received from/to Bloody Cobblar. | ||
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On July 28 2010 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Actually I read the thread yesterday morning saw I had hit majority along with SR and assumed day had finished when I got home from work last night. I love how rules change so instantly without warning ffs. quick! Make a compilation of your thoughts before you die! | ||
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wtf you talking about? Flamewheel's GF. We already found out | ||
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On July 28 2010 12:42 SiNiquity wrote: EBWOP: South wouldn't finger him AND also be Mafia. But sometimes they finger him just to try and defend themselves. For example, later on if BC took a leadership position and Sub fingered him, than after finding out Sub is mafia, we might think that BC is innocent cause he got fingered. | ||
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Dude this was like the best thing that could've happened. Well done zeks. He's trusted for sure now n.n And to think I doubted BOTH of them being mafia. | ||
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But now... it seems. A new hero had taken up shop. Appointed by the renowned Cit.zen zeks was taking up shop. And driving the mob out of business. Pandain felt safe again. | ||
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2. brownbear 3. youngminiiTown aligned 5. chaoser 6. divinek 7. xelin 9. SiNiquity 10. lakrismamma 11. rastaban Probably town aligned, (3 mafia risking lives? doubtful) 12. bumatlarge 13. Amber[LighT]Town aligned 14. SouthRawrea mafia 15.Pandain 16. ~OpZ~ 17. Infundibulum 23. d3_crescentia 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode Vigi 28. zeks 29. protactinium | ||
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On July 28 2010 14:04 youngminii wrote: Okay since Zeks isn't here and I don't want people accidentally roleclaiming to the person I'm about to accuse, I'll tell everyone what he told me. Zeks, I apologise if you wanted to break the news to everyone but I'm kind of afraid people will roleclaim to him by accident or something before you come on. Pandain is Mafia. He has been checked by the DT Zeks is in contact with. He had some small doubts as to whether he was Miller or not but now Miller's dead so... Yeah. mmm I wanted to say "your a bleepin liar" and vote for you. But Subversion already voted you and you are town aligned. I must be a miller. Is there possibly a second miller? I swear to truth I'm a townie. | ||
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On July 28 2010 14:11 Divinek wrote: there's a chance there could be i suppose, but as soon as zeks confirms what young is saying anyway, which im 100% sure he will you're still gonna die sorry bro Yeah I understand. My bad luck I suppose. :/. The town's going to vote me eventually anyway, better to do it with double lynch next time. That way we won't debate over me for too long. Just would like someone to verify two things: 1)(To Youngmini) Are you sure your dt is zeks dt? If zeks told you himself I suppose that's alright. 2)Is there a possibility of a second miller. But yeah, if the town needs this(seems like it does) than getting me out of the debate will only help the town it seems. Have to start making my death post and new will hehe | ||
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On July 28 2010 15:31 ~OpZ~ wrote: and everyone that wanted to hold off on voting for BC, should be looked at with huge suspicion. It will probably lead to ANOTHER overwhelming case against me. Again, my only argument is I'm not sheepish with my votes, AND I didn't want day to end. I also wanted something from BC before he died to point us in the direction of whom is town/mafia. I didn't vote for citizen, but those who didn't instavote for BC today, but DID vote for citizen should most definitely be scrutinized thoroughly. I disagree with this. Citizen's plan did have some holes and we were lucky he turned out to be innocent AND the dt/mad hatter were not GF's. And some of us wanted to see their reactions, so not insta voting i would actually consider a plus. | ||
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On July 28 2010 15:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: Aye. Addendum at the end that you also italicized....No. You're wrong. And dumb. And mafia. Citizen wasn't town. BC launched campaign to lynch citizen. Citizen died. Mafia probably voted for citizen. Everyone who voted for citizen and held off on BC (South was definitely dead by this point with Zeks claiming MH), should be THOROUGHLY scrutinized REGARDLESS. I had just italicized the portions i found particular portion with. I may be wrong(have to see) and probably dumb, and in all odds should be mafia(:/ ) but the fact is that citizen's plan wasn't fully developed, had fundamental flaws, and he disapeared right after announcing a big plan. Not that good of a combo. Add to that he publicly fake claimed as MH and than as townie. In hindsight we see the plan ended up working but it was not so obvious then. And it's not bad to wait for responses. It's not bad to think all the way through. "Holding off" on voting is in most cases an asset used to critical analysis. And dw, I'm willing to be double lynched since it seems it will help the town. I just want to contribute before I die hehe. | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 28 2010 15:31 ~OpZ~ wrote: and everyone that wanted to hold off on voting for BC, should be looked at with huge suspicion. It will probably lead to ANOTHER overwhelming case against me. Again, my only argument is I'm not sheepish with my votes, AND I didn't want day to end. I also wanted something from BC before he died to point us in the direction of whom is town/mafia. I didn't vote for citizen, but those who didn't instavote for BC today, but DID vote for citizen should most definitely be scrutinized thoroughly.[/QUOTE] Just so you know, Pandain totally refused to insta-gib BC (and I think he did the same for SouthRawrea) on the grounds of some totally random reason. He also voted citi.zen even after I PM'd him threatening to reveal his DT claim if he did. You know I already decided to let the town lynch me :/. | ||
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Next one to talk dies. + Show Spoiler + XD | ||
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From: Subversion [ 845 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol fuck, i hope not haha. i THINK maybe im safe ^_^ im only exposed cos of fucken pandain lol, kid cant keep his mouth shut :D still <3 him tho <3 you too Subversion XD | ||
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On July 29 2010 00:14 lakrismamma wrote: So here aremy comments and some notes to make the game clearer. Pandain is proably mafia we have to lynch him either way. The chance is so small that there are another miller. Also he has been voting and acting strange. 20/30 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii Checked by Subversion 5. chaoser 6. divinek 7. xelin 9. SiNiquity 10. lakrismamma 11. rastaban 12. bumatlarge 13. Amber[LighT] Checked by Subversion 15. pandain checked by Zeks DT 16. ~OpZ~ 17. Infundibulum 23. d3_crescentia Vet Took hit on day one 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode 28. zeks Mad hatter 29. protactinium 16/24 town-aligned players alive 2/2 Veterans alive 2/2 Town KP roles alive 1/2 Medics alive 1/2 DTs alive 4/6 Mafia-players alive 0/1 Godfather 1/1 Suicide Bomber Mafia KP: 2 (until they have under 1.5 when divided by 2) Double lynches: 2 (1 remains) Have I missed anything? Tricode: Vigi. rastabans most likely town, can't see double mafia both trying to introduce evidence that could hurt BC. | ||
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On July 28 2010 21:32 zeks wrote: I tried to milk Pandain for more information - and I did get some hints. Will summarize these and post em later Post these please? I mean, I'm going to be lynched anyway but curious to see what people think hehe. :p. Also, This is a Note from the Dead( to be seen when I'm miller) I think they found out cause 1)Subversion did sort of roleclaim publicly lol. 2)I had to give out info, while withholding names might have led to circumstantial evidence or 3)Just tried to hit semi inactive people (for blues) Just my thoughts. | ||
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On July 29 2010 07:19 BrownBear wrote: We already pretty much know what we're doing tomorrow anyway, so for now we're just waiting to see who dies tonight. Hence, spamfest. Mmm? Who are you guys lynching? Me and who else? Turns out computer is available, still its vacation so probably going to be varied at best. | ||
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On July 29 2010 03:02 Amber[LighT] wrote: Never said a word to me... Yeah, we were going to before YM sputtered out I was false claiming to him. After the night of citizen's lynch and we decided on the case of YM, I was going to write to sub/proct whether we should do same with you. | ||
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On July 29 2010 08:40 XeliN wrote: Oh what villainous webs we weave, to entice naivety into our midst and feast upon it. The dice is rolled, the hour shall strike for one brave solider blindly entering into the den of the beast. Yet justice doth spread itself too far, and the virtuous too oft find themselves stifled under it's harrowing wings. Flee, oh flee this tainted land, the light is swept away by dusk, blurring deceit and truth, entwined. The colour of our countenance shall cease it's divisive nature. Lo! for the mighty and weak alike shall become unified within this spectrum of transcendency. Our virtue shall glimmer out through eschatological verification, Who shall journey bravely with me out of this most turbulent sea? Would the marked come companioned? The Dice is rolled... I'm a wee bit infested and very much looking forward to meeting one, or more of you, on this most auspicious of nights. Haha wow did you make this up yourself? Googled it found nothing exactly. Seriously.... this is amazing =D. What does the last sentence mean(so confused :/) | ||
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On July 29 2010 08:50 youngminii wrote: He's claiming Infested Terran, duh. oh haha misread infested as interested. | ||
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On July 29 2010 08:04 Pandain wrote: Mmm? Who are you guys lynching? Me and who else? Turns out computer is available, still its vacation so probably going to be varied at best. Quoting this. Want to find out. The main reason I'm letting myself be lynched is so we can be more sure/debate more/ think things through entirely. Who else is on the possible lynch list, or even already lynch sure. | ||
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Probably because I was the one who first wrote against you, thus mafia probably doesn't want to accuse their own scum. I even went pretty in depth too. This excludes the BC and SR case of course. Also, @ divinek. Idk. Personaly I highly reccomend everyone who hasn't already rced to zeks to do so NOW. He has already proven hes safe by getting rid of SR and BC, the godfather. Please, don't be scared. | ||
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"Pandain the Detective is now dead" =D | ||
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On July 29 2010 10:13 chaoser wrote: day's over right? day ended at 10 kst | ||
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On July 29 2010 10:35 Divinek wrote: what i thought night was just ending didnt day end yesterday oops meant night. Also, xelin was joking about claiming IT right? Why would he actually say he's IT | ||
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Day is supposed to start by now right? | ||
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On July 29 2010 12:35 SiNiquity wrote: Also maybe the reason it's taking so long is because 5+ people (IT + 2 Mafia Hits + 2 Bombs from Zeks [+ Visiting Blues?]) died tonight, and BM wants to make an epic post to reflect that. More likely he's just asleep at the wheel again tho <3 BM, don't hurt me.Worst Case scenario: Mafia hits zeks, medic. Xelin kills infun, killing dt. Zeks bombs go off on me and whoever else. In totaL: 7 deaths | ||
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On July 29 2010 12:46 youngminii wrote: I wouldn't mind a popsicle.. Popsicles come at a price....  | ||
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On July 29 2010 13:18 Divinek wrote: 1.zeks 2.med 3.infun 4.dt 5.you 6.whoever else man counting is hard i think worst case is the IT takes out both blue roles +target but that's super duper unlikely Fadoodle straight counting is hard. Btw doesn't Xelin die too if he blows up? | ||
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On July 29 2010 08:50 XeliN wrote: Heh thanks, in all honesty I wrote it in about 5 mins altho I did steal "on this most auspicious of nights" from the V for Vendetta speech, he say's it before Voila'ing his way into alliterative splendor. Also Xelin before you die prove my innocence!!!! Not that it will be much substance but still! | ||
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We just lost 3 blues and two greens. | ||
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Is there anyone left in the circle? Wait, young is. Everyone, mass rc to youngmini. Sub checked him, he's innocent. And the gf is dead so we know he's definietly townie. Everyone transfer all the info that zeks and his group had to youngmini right now. Right now he's the only one we can really 100% confirm is townie. | ||
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So everyone who hasn't been confirmed I want a compilation of posts from. I'll probably help. I'm making a list right now. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:12 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: gg guys sorry i played like an idiot <3 dw I did worse. 14/30 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii 5. chaoser 6. divinek 9. 10. 11. rastaban Not 100% confirmed but highly unlikely mafia would risk 3 people. Still, probably needs to be analyzed. 12. 13. Amber[LighT] 14. 15. pandain Im a freaking miller okay people? 16. ~OpZ~ 17. 23. d3_crescentia 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (vigi) 28. 29. protactinium I will give a gold star to whoever compiles a list of posts from the non confirmed town people. Just one user compilation is VERY useful. I will <3 thee forever. | ||
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Imo we should look at these user's collection of posts first. In no particular order 1.Misder 2.Pyrr 3.tree hugger 4.Opz | ||
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Misder Pyrr proctat(just barely, could've leaked) Me(I'm miller -.-),tree.hugger, brown bear, Chaoser, Divinek, Opz 3 of these people are mafia. Rastaban I'm leaving out of this because I feel he's 89 % confirmed. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:22 Divinek wrote: d3 is not confirmed in any way unless i missed the part where he got dt checked foolishness got hit that night, and he was the only one. Unless the mafia felt THAT confident he was a vet or had medic(very doubtful) his story is true. | ||
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In the meantime, or in case I can't, please don't bandwagon or get to majority. We're going to wait this all 48 hours. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: LOL Pandain. Please don't tell me anyone is buying this "I'm the other miller" thing. You come up red, you die. The odds are what, 1/14 black IF there is another miller? With a guaranteed 3/14 red. What the fuck was the point of checking you if you come up red and we still don't lynch you? Not to mention I was suspicious of you earlier when the DT was leaked and you pressured the DT to cough up his identity (which only reds should have a motive to do). ##vote Pandain 1.If there is another miller than I'm at 3/4 chance 2.When did I say the DT to ocugh up his identity? Theres a reason I withheld Sub's name while I was defending myself after young talked 3.You're already voting? Seriously? Think this through, this is serious. Listen to what I'm saying first. We have no medics, no dts. This is not the time for bandwagons. 4.The point of not lynching me is that we just lost a mad hatter, two greens, a dt, and a medic. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:34 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Why is youngminii confirmed? Why aren't we building the town circle around Tricode? Young is confirmed because Sub checked him and GF is dead. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:42 Divinek wrote: oh right i totally forgot it was day ##vote Pandain i want to stab pandain once for every time he's said he's a miller, i dont even care if he's not lying it just angers me that he thinks we care Seriously? Wtf? Read that sentence over and over until you find jsut how wrong it is. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:43 Divinek wrote: WE WERE TOLD OUR DT FOUND YOU TO BE RED end of story If I'm miller, I show up red. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: 1. If there are three millers I will personally find BM at his house and dropkick him. There aren't. 2. You asked him to cough it up to you, not the town. Then you couldn't hide that anymore after the circle started to get investigated for leaks. 3. Yes, our DT found a red so I'm voting. I need to start voting now because apparently the only red we've found by DT check has decided to assume town leadership. 4. How could so many blues die in one night? Maybe there was a red in the circle? The circle you have apparently crowned yourself king of, despite not being checked? The circle that you apparently were allowed to remain in even after turning up red after you finally were checked? The circle that you happen to be one of the only survivors from after the events of last night? The correct response couldn't be simpler. 1. *sigh* TWO millers, not three, TWO 2.Quote it 3.I'm just asking you to hear my side before you vote. 7 votes and its a majority and I'm auto lynched. I'm asking you to at least wait for my def. 4.Maybe because of a whole bunch of fails? Zek's bombs blow off on a townie and (xelin?) The medic tries to protect xelin, and tht is a fail. I can't have been responsible for the other leak because zeks wouldn't tell me who the dt was. So I'm not responsible at all. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:45 Divinek wrote: that's great but just because you say it doesnt make it so this is better than any possible post analysis we HAVE to lynch you. If you're not going to lynch people that flip red from dt checks what better reasons could you possibly have rofl You dont HAVE to lynch me. ESPECIALLY not as soon as day starts. Hell, if when I wake up I'm already majority lynched, theres gonna be alot to explain when I show up green. I agree, I'm not 100% confirmed either. I'm offering advice in which I'm not even involved in(see 4 way circle plan). I'm asking everyone to wait to vote me at least till I can defend myself. I was going to let myself be lynched originally because I felt like it would help the town(more time to debate on other people) but after this.... I feel like I need to help. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:49 Divinek wrote: im straight up FoS'ing anyone that doesnt vote for you after you dt check red regardless of what you say Cmon man, seriously? Am I the only one who finds this at least SOMEWHAT wrong? | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:52 Protactinium wrote: Don't everybody vote at once though. We still want to be able to talk things through, and the more time the town has to discuss the better it is. List of own posts coming. I'll do Pandain's as well, but he's probably got a million of them. Yeah that'd be helpful. I'd like everyoen to summarize any arguments against me(not vote yet!) so that when I wake up I can respond to them fully. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:52 Divinek wrote: when you dt check red, and one miller is already dead there is nothing more to ask/say it is sooo beyond logic, naturally any mafia is going to try and persuade us not to vote for him Naturally. But I would assume any rational pro town person would wait to hear the defense of a person before lynching them and declaring anything they say useless and saying anyone who disagrees with you AT ALL is FOS. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:58 Divinek wrote: we cant afford not to lynch someone that dt checks red ahhhh, though i believe it to be fully possible for 2 millers to exist out of 24 town, i suppose. 25% chance you're miller, 75% chance you're mafia such gooood odds cause everytime we mis lynch everyone will think well what if pandain.... it's really better just to get you out of the way Yeah you can afford to wait though. We have two full days. At least allow me to defend myself before automatically voting. And also, if there is anothe rmiller, than theres a 3/4 chance that I'm miller, not 25%. Going to bed soon so anyone who'd like to PM BM about that, I'd be uber grateful. No, its not just better to get me out of the way. Did you see how many we lost man? Right now, we're on basically, at heart, speculation. We need to be careful about every lynch now. Now I'm not saying that there isn't some evidence against me... there is. I'm just saying please wait for me to defend myself before voting. Is that really so bad? | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Where are you getting this 3/4 shit? And there would have to be 3 millers since one is already dead. 3 mafia left. ONe miller dead. If there are two millers(me and laxer, wheres this 3rd one your talking about), and laxer is dead, that means there is a 3/4 chance that one "checked red" member will miller. | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:04 youngminii wrote: Alternate theory. XeliN exploded on Zeks and he was the only one to die. His bombs killed off Infundibulum and bumatlarge. The mafia targeted Siniquity and Lakrismamma with their KP. This theory means that there's.. a 99% chance that there was a leak within the DT group. This also means scum knows the identity of both Vets, since Zeks knew them (and told me too). Which leaves me innocent, because I dont know the identify of the dt | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:06 Divinek wrote: what there's no way there's 3 millers, do you even understand variable change, and did you pull 3/4 out of your ass or something lol 1 miller who is already dead doesnt come into the equation, if there remains 1 miller and 3 mafia then 4 people can check red i really shouldnt have to explain this... how is there anything we need to be careful about when voting you when you dt check red at this point in the game with 1 miller already dead... not that id mind if you started really contributing to town in your final hours because you got alot to make for bro ??? I was confused cause you said there are 3 miller. If there are 3 mafia and one(alive) miller, and all 4 check red, that means that if you take all the 4 who checked red without knowing their roles, theres a 3/4 chance an individually selected person will be t....fail. Haha 1/4. Sorry bout that, my uber fail. =D rofl... | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:10 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: 1. There is a dead miller so there would have to be three. 2. Allow me to call the fuck out of that bluff: You couldn't have "known" he was DT. So that's a lie that you didn't admit to that and lie that you knew he was dt. Bada bing bada boom. 3. You're already defending yourself, I'm already pointing out the bullshit. Town is not going to delay all discussion for you to come up with better arguments than the meager cloud of dust you're kicking up now. We still have to find target #2 we don't need to waste time determining whether or not we lynch the guy that came back red and was connected to multiple circle leaks (zeks being protected/checked, subversion being killed). 4. How did you even know the medic was protecting Xelin and not Zeks? So you were in contact or had info about the medic? 1. Ok so me + dead miller = 2 miller. Not 3 miller. 2. That' s what your talking about? That since I knew he was DT(proct told me) I told him I knew, and asked for the info he had? What does this point to me lol? Also, I'm talking to youngmini, about how he could've known. So your argument is invalid. 3.And I'm defending myself fine (cept for the math fail LOL). I'm saying you can debate, I'm just asking everyone to hold of their voting for me till I can at least explain myself. 4.Story says so | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:15 Divinek wrote: you can only hold on to the noobie card so long man Not using that anymore. I'll use it if it applies(begining of course, first mafia game) but right now I'm defending with logic. Don't think I've even brought up the noob argument in 5 pages or more. | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:16 Protactinium wrote: My own posts: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 07:15 Protactinium wrote: Hello all. I have PMed the moderator asking to replace somebody. Though he has acquiesced and granted the replacement (for the player Ketomai) he has yet to acknowledge this in the thread. Please grant me a while to read through the thread, though for now I will ##Vote: Abstain as a placeholder. On July 19 2010 08:40 Protactinium wrote: Forgive me, all. I have gotten about halfway through the thread, though I'm being dragged out now by a friend to go watch Inception. My vote will remain upon abstain, as I will not be back until about 3 hours after deadline. On July 20 2010 04:50 Protactinium wrote: I kind of want to draw focus to the "Abstain" list. I haven't seen or read too many Mafia games with the "Abstain" voting option; normally I just see people voting for themselves but that is not allowed in this game. Regardless, the six people on this list are all fairly inactive or haven't been contributing much, myself included. Though tree.hugger has brought up that Mafia will spread their votes amongst other people, I do think he's right in assuming that at least one Mafia member is abstaining, since it's the easiest way out. When I went back and searched for the relevant posts people had made, I found that most of the above-mentioned do not have really any substantial or substantiating posts. Luckily, chaoser has saved me some time by notating the abstain votes here. Interestingly, or not-really-so-, enough, abstainers have a pretty low level of useful activity. Let's start with Laxercannon. He doesn't really seem to make an effort in the game, and only has one post in which he types more than a line of text. He abstains but then doesn't make any effort to change it over the course of the next four or so hours. Also, his lack of attentiveness can be seen in his latest comment, stating that he wasn't following the thread enough. From reading a few past games he's been in, he seems to normally be more active. It's really too early, in my opinion, to draw some sort of conclusive read but I think it can be conclusively said that from the evidence given so far, Laxercannon is not playing very pro-town. I've never seen tricode play a game before, but I think he's one of the older players, judging by his posting attitude. Out of the people on the abstain list, he seems to be the only one who isn't just posting spam (besides myself, since I only have two posts... though even those two don't add anything!). He votes for an abstain because he has to see his dad off, and then says that lynches have to be used, since saying "what if" loses the game. This is a good idea. tricode reads pretty town in my eyes. chaoser doesn't really seem to be saying too much, looking through his posts, though he did compile the voting list afterward for the final few hours of the first day. He reiterates some old points beforehand, but I do like the list afterward. Will have to beware of 'paraphrased wording,' of course. chaoser seems to be playing pro-town, but he doesn't do the analysis himself, saying that "others can make use of [this information] however they want." Undecided. Southrawrea has almost nothing of value posted, and he seems like a new player, in part because of the editing. He wants to 'take it easy' day 1 since there's nothing to go off of, but isn't it beneficial to the Mafia to have the town discuss nothing? Once again I can't say anything conclusively (even to myself) at this point, but Southrawrea isn't playing very pro-town. Me... I don't feel like I should speak about myself. I just replaced in this game yesterday, caught up at the end of last night, and am making an attempt to PM and post now. I don't want to be an inactive bum, since that just benefits the Mafia. The less inactives there are, the fewer hiding spots the Mafia will have. And finally, zeks. Votes for Hyperbola as a placeholder (why not abstain?) but then removes his vote after the rest of the votes for Hyperbola, disregarding Subversion's, have been cast. Doesn't really say anything of value, at most just reiterates some known things. Not very pro-town. Will attempt to comment on other people later as I go along. On July 20 2010 15:11 Protactinium wrote: Interesting... we effectively just bought ourselves another day. Ah, my pre-emptive refreshing before posting has shown me that BrownBear has elucidated the first part of my post above. Being too lazy to delete, I am going to post it anyway. There are a few scenarios that come to mind though, and plausible or not I feel compelled to list them out: 1) d3_crescentia is a non-Veteran role and was saved by a Medic. In the games that I have read and played before, Medic saves, especially so early, are pretty unlikely. 2) d3_crescentia is a Veteran and took the hit. Probably the most plausible situation. 3) d3_crescentia is Mafia, claiming to have taken a hit while the Mafia doublestacked Foolishness in order to kill him. I don't think this is the case, but it could be a highly effective ploy if used correctly... BrownBear: your post assumes that there are two Veterans? We do not know that there are that. If there is only one other Veteran and d3_crescentia claims that the logic goes to nil. After Foolishness died, my immediate thoughts (of course) went to DarthThienAn. Before Foolishness' death, the two of them had an argument. Then Foolishness died. This alone makes me less suspicious of DarthThienAn, given his post-death trolling. Will go back to read Foolishness' posts though. From my readings he is generally pretty insightful. I remember him calling one person out but I'm too lazy to find it at this point since I want to get this post out. Wondering about youngminii. After defending himself, he has gone silent. Also, let's not forget Subversion, with his "Mafia have not made many mistakes so far" and the suspicious vote. On July 20 2010 15:18 Protactinium wrote: Ignore me, I'm an idiot. Should have read OP. On July 20 2010 15:40 Protactinium wrote: Wow, damn not realizing it was a fully revealed setup just wasted my night's thinking. Regardless, this kind of setup is very favorable to the town... Ugh, back to thinking. Screw my inattentiveness. On July 20 2010 15:44 Protactinium wrote: Probably not today, unless we can find two clearly delineated targets. Ah, scrolling backward. With the whole Vet idea, let's not forget this: And don't forget he made the winning (or losing...) vote. On July 21 2010 08:15 Protactinium wrote: Protactinium’s thought processes and actions of last night: 1) Spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about the night deaths 2) Ponder how to use options delineated to work around the semi-open setup. 3) Realize that the setup is, in actuality, fully open. 4) Curse self. 5) Begin to scroll backward through thread. 6) Fall asleep. 7) Wake up thanks to overly-shrill alarm clock. 8) Get halfway through Proleague, fall asleep again. 9) Wake up late in the afternoon. 10) Check Mafia thread. Four new pages, and they’ve been pretty good. Time to go through and comment on stuff. Yes, you vote the day prior to activate the double lynch for the next day. Since it’s been brought up, just to further expound upon the double lynch debate: it may be okay to use Day 3, meaning we’d have to vote for it now. Given the nature of this game, a lot of confirmation can be found at night—any medic save will result in a confirmed townie, and disregarding the 1/soon-to-be-27th chance of hitting the Godfather with a check, Detective checks will come back with a confirmation as well. However, at this point it’s still much easier to strike green (or blue) with checks, meaning that there’d still be no definite, not to even think of having two locked choices, for a Day 3 double lynch. As the game goes on, the town gets exponentially stronger information-wise through confirmations and PMs, and we only have two double lynches. However, since it seems like there is a lot of finger pointing. Best to save the double lynches, in my opinion, for when the town is more united. This might have been discussed to death already, but I do not agree with BrownBear’s Veteran roleclaiming plan. As Amber[LighT] has said, a Veteran has one vote regardless of how long he/she remains alive. In reality, until a Veteran is “confirmed” either through taking a hit or being the target of a Detective check, he/she is nothing more than a Townie. BrownBear has said that Mafia would not dare claim Veteran since when the third claim surfaces one red is guaranteed to go down (unless it’s the Godfather) but I agree with Amber when he/she (guy, right?) says that the Veterans would then just serve as a shining beacon of “hey, don’t waste your KP on me.” Even if two people claim Veteran, Detectives would still want to check them to make sure—what if one of our Veterans is an inactive player and hasn’t read the thread? Since pretty much any Detective check will confirm somebody, essentially wastes a check where Detectives could be trying to find reds, since once again a lot of fingers are being pointed right now. Mafia don’t have to hit the Veteran—they simply just have to use the Bomber on one, in hopes that a Detective will try to confirm. This has been talked about below, so I don’t think I’m going to talk about it more. iNfunDiBuLuM has also said this too. Whoops, how did I miss his post. In short, I do not agree with a Veteran claiming plan. BloodyC0bbler’s plan is nice, and he really does highlight how advantageous the town has it this game. Also, it serves to show how much more of an advantage we have as compared to a regular game the longer we wait. As for the last two pages, I’ll over them separately. It seems right now that there’s just a lot of flak being thrown around randomly. If I check the pages, I see DarthThienAn, citi.zen, Subversion, Chaoser, and BrownBear seem to be accused. We’ve still got more than a day left, so I’m going to take my time and do some reading. I guess I’ll compile my thoughts on these people by looking at posts. Dinner (first meal of the day!) now. On July 21 2010 08:36 Protactinium wrote: Okay, I just wanted to make sure as to not potentially offend somebody! On July 21 2010 08:56 Protactinium wrote: I personally do not have firm conviction that Subversion is Mafia, as there still isn't much to work off of. However, the post that I brought up with the line in question was brought to my attention through PM land, and while it is something a new player would say, Freudian slips are still part of Mafia. I think though that more people are suspicious of Subversion because of the way the voting turned out. It doesn't make him Mafia, as other people were bandwagoning on Hyperbola as well, though it does make him suspicious. On July 21 2010 09:17 Protactinium wrote: Okay, I can understand that Subversion. I guess you and BrownBear were both just pressure-voting, and those kinds of things do happen. Still though, you have to understand why it's suspicious to be like that. As for the role claim, ambivalence. Generally either mass roleclaims work or nobody role claims. One or two people doing so is bound to lead to sniping in the future, and it takes confirmation first. And Infundibulum's list is interesting. I'd forgotten about the inactives. Definitely going to pressure them to post, though I wouldn't mind seeing some modkills at this point to give us more information. On July 22 2010 02:26 Protactinium wrote: I can live with this. From my standpoint, I still don't believe there is enough conviction to risk wasting one of our weapons, though I will most likely be voting for a double lynch for Day 4 (voting during the next day). Pyrr dropped a bomb with this one. Reading through it is very convincing, and given how DarthThienAn has been playing this game ("Chezinu"-style but even more useless) at the very most he is playing very anti-town. I'm tempted to place my vote on him, but as we still have around 11 hours till deadline the fact that DarthThienAn hasn't been able to defend himself means that my vote will be staying upon an abstain now. After all, innocent till proven guilty, right? Something that should be taken into consideration is the dichotomy of the battle. Still so early on, I don't think it's worth it for Mafia (if Pyrrhuloxia) is indeed so to make such a direct attack, especially since Mafia know that the victim will indubitably flip town-aligned. Of course, that could be WiFOM speaking but it doesn't seem likely. If DarthThienAn is not Mafia, then we probably have a town-on-town fight that the Mafia are either going to slightly help stir on or sit back and enjoy. Make no mistake, DarthThienAn is a strong player. I have read over a few of his past games now and he is quiet coherent and forceful when he wants to be. Hopefully this calling-out will force him to be more of a benefit to the town. In regards to Subversion: The more I read into it, the more that I think people still accusing Subversion are just looking for an easy target. As Roffles has mentioned, Subversion still seems new to this game, and blunders do occur. If they continue to happen, we can easily hold him accountable for them, and his trail is easy enough to backtrack. The same holds true with BrownBear. He (conclusively figure out it's a he from reading past games) can be a very well-spoken player, and was very pro-town in the first game he subbed in for, where he got into a bit of a sticky situation with a strategic modkill scenario. He's attempted to make amends for his Day 1 actions, though if his posting slips back into the unacceptable zone he's already on radar. Chaoser seems to be a separate ticket, though if he is red he is not as strong a threat as DarthThienAn can potentially be. I assume Chaoser's experiment was to get Subversion to claim, though I think at this point we've already had enough soft claiming to get us through. With all this being said and done, right now it seems like that along with the rest of the town, we're all waiting for DarthThienAn to speak. Hopefully he'll finally calm down and give us some legible answers, and hopefully we'll be able to bring out the great town player in him. For now, since I am heading out for the day I will once again ##Vote abstain as a placeholder. I will most definitely return before deadline and will change my vote to DarthThienAn, but at this point I'm unwilling to vote for Subversion or BrownBear. Chaoser, too, can wait for a later day, and we will pressure him to post better. People that need to post more: tree.hugger, Divinek, lakrismamma, SouthRawrea, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler, d3_crescentia, Tricode, and zeks. I am just going through the player roster thinking "who haven't I seen on the thread" in a while, so this list may be subjectively based upon my memory. For the most part though, I think this is correct. Don't let inactivity hurt us, town. Just because we're embroiled in this current situation it doesn't mean we let potential Mafia just sit back and do nothing. On July 22 2010 02:28 Protactinium wrote: Reposting as to edit above: after the vote, where it says "... and will change my vote to DarthThienAn,..." I forgot to include the conditional "if he does not provide a satisfactory defense/explanation" at the end of it. See you in a few hours, town. On July 22 2010 06:40 Protactinium wrote: Chaoser, throwing blame around isn't the best way to make your case, especially if you are so blatantly wrong. I was subbed into this game and did not have time to finish reading the thread, as stated. If you are going to make false accusations, at least try to back them up. Furthermore, you realize that unless everybody abstains, somebody is bound to be lynched. There is no majority system here. On July 22 2010 07:48 Protactinium wrote: 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins over the other person. On July 22 2010 10:58 Protactinium wrote: Will cast my vote in around an hour's time. I still get this feeling that we're being toyed with. There are far too people talking over this to make me think that we've hooked a Mafia member. Of course, that's WiFOM speaking to me. On July 22 2010 11:58 Protactinium wrote: After careful consideration, I have to ##Vote DarthThienAn. Your playstyle is too hard to read, and though you're posting in a more normal fashion at this point I believe you have polarized the town the most. While Subversion drew a lot of flak for the missed comment, in the end most of the impetuous people who jumped on that withdrew, but your case has thoroughly divided the town. At this point, I don't even know if any of you three are Mafia, and I am loathe to undertake a last-hour bandwagon. Between the madness you have brought us enough posts to look at, so in the case that you die we will be able to go back and find how this all started. On July 22 2010 12:00 Protactinium wrote: This is definitely going to be taken into consideration, and was one of the key factors in my decision. Since you two are pretty "big-name" people going at it, it'll be easier to eliminate a strong Mafia member. On July 22 2010 13:23 Protactinium wrote: At least he wasn't blue. Tomorrow's the day for backtracking. On July 22 2010 13:30 Protactinium wrote: What's with having to "earn" your credibility anyway. Just play correctly and you won't have to be like "hey guys, I'm town, I'm town, have I convinced you I'm town yet?" On July 22 2010 13:34 Protactinium wrote: You are not a confirmed townie. You are not a central townie. You are not a confirmed, central townie. Please bring this back up when you become one. On July 22 2010 13:39 Protactinium wrote: I don't need you to tell me the rules of the game. You and I both know this. When I say "you" I mean it in a general term. You're so hell-bent on trying to appear as town that it works against you. I'm stopping here. There's no point discussing this further as it adds nothing to the thread. On July 23 2010 11:01 Protactinium wrote: I'd like to wait till the Night is done (does it end at 13:00 KST again or was that a one time thing?) before deciding on targets. Bandwagons start this way, you know. Hopefully we'll get a good check result back, but if not let's see... Tricode just seems bored. His self-kill comment just makes it seem like he's bored, but he could just be fooling around. zeks is pretty inactive; need to see him post more and about his own thoughts instead of going along with the flow. Not sure on Amber, have to continue reading. Misder is going to be out for a while, so we won't be able to hear anything from (I'm assuming it's a him?) him. Beating a dead horse is kind of mean, as well, but this is Mafia. Through skimming his posts I don't find anything overtly Mafia about him. He does seem slightly tied to BloodyC0bbler though. On July 23 2010 13:57 Protactinium wrote: Officially, if we go by the clock we're already almost four hours late. On July 23 2010 14:30 Protactinium wrote: Has to be a vigilante shot. There is no sign of a Mad Hatter death... Which raises two pertinent questions: 1) Which one of the hits was a Vigilante shot? 2) Was the shot a lone shot in an attempt to be a hero, or was it directed? Compiling Roffles' and Jayme's posts. I don't really recall much of them during this game between everything else going on, but they both seemed semi-inactive. I guess this was a blue-sniping night... Part 1 of the posts... *gives golden star + hug* | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:16 youngminii wrote: There's a good chance Pandain is mafia and so he's my leading suspect. I propose that we lynch chaoser since he's pretty much next on my list. I know I was wrong about Infundibulum but we don't really have anyone better to lynch (unless you can come up with one), and chaoser was one of Zeks's leading suspects too. Aaaaand with that: ##Vote Pandain ##Vote chaoser Man why not use my list? So colorful.... Bit angry right now :/. Like seriously, what is wrong with letting people defend themselves? By the time I wake up I am becoming more and more sure I will be lynched without the chance to defend myself. And youngmini, this means you do what I say and analyze. dont just vote | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:22 Protactinium wrote: Screw it, too lazy. Better than spam, at any rate. Also, Pandain why did you send me this message: On July 29 2010 15:16 Divinek wrote: ohh pandain this i do REALLY want to know proct told you sub is DT why did proct tell you? no way in hell you were confirmed so either you're lying or proct is a retard | ||
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----------------------------------------- Original Message: Since I know (well, was told) that Subversion was blue I'm more distrustful of tree.hugger then...? Perhaps tree.hugger just has conviction from reads. I'm not the best at them. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Idk, I just... it just seems odd that tree.hugger would be pushing so hard for everyone to vote subversion if he didn't know something else. Either he's mafia or he's dt. Thats my thoughts. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: He claimed DT to me during Day 2. Where did tree.hugger check? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Is there any other reason you think Subversion is blue? I'm suspecting DT but at the same time it's possible your mafia and tree.hugger did check subversion. I'm just not sure. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Soft blue claim in thread plus a direct claim to me. citi.zen pointed out the post around page 46 or so, but I've been talking with Subversion about it all day. If it's a lie, then it's a very good one, but I'm going to believe it. It's not too deleterious to the town if he's actually Mafia and lying, since he will be caught, but if he is genuine then we need to save our investment. Will be back in about an hour; have some work to do. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I understand if you can't tell but how do you know Subversion is blue? | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: Pandain please just look at it from our perspective. The DT checked you and you flipped red. The odds of you being mafia is through the roof. There's no one else that's as 'confirmed' as you so you are by far the best possible lynch. The DT check trumps any argument you have to say, so you're better off using your time to help the town if you really are townie. This is playing to our win condition, you are playing to save yourself even though (I'll say it once again), you are the best possible lynch. All I'm asking si the chance to defend myself. With that, I have to go to bed. Good night everyone | ||
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On July 30 2010 01:39 BrownBear wrote: In fact, you know what? I'm trusting Pandain on this one. He's given no reason for me to ever think he's mafia, and given that there are millers, I'm going to trust my gamesense over the DT check. Plus, our secret friendship alliance is unbreakable :D ##UNVOTE: PANDAIN ##VOTE: MISDER ##KEEP VOTE ON DIVINEK If he flips miller I shall be vindicated. <3 Unfortunately I think I've already been majority lynched. And yes, after getting some sleep after I think yesterdays days of none (=D) I've decided that it might be best just to find the second lynch :/. Thanks for everyond who held out though. I was going to let myself be lynched(as I had said) but then after the deaths(omfg that was bad) I thought then that maybe I shoudl stay alive. At least it's a double lynch. DW brownbear, you'll be vindicated. But as of now you can vote me. heh. Also, I'd like to hear feedback on the plans I had suggested. | ||
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14/30 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii 5. chaoser 6. divinek 9. 10. 11. rastaban Not 100% confirmed but highly unlikely mafia would risk 3 people. Still, probably needs to be analyzed. 12. 13. Amber[LighT] 14. 15. pandain Im a freaking miller okay people? 16. ~OpZ~ 17. 23. d3_crescentia 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (vigi) 28. 29. protactinium I will give a gold star to whoever compiles a list of posts from the non confirmed town people. Just one user compilation is VERY useful. I will <3 thee forever.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On July 29 2010 21:40 ~OpZ~ wrote: If you were Miller you would of said 4/4 chance....Idiot Not if I'm trying to convince the town I'm not. | ||
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New top 4 list 1.Misder 2.Divinek 3.Tree.hugger 4.Pyrr. | ||
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But who will give us the msot info? Who, if lynched, will provide the most info. | ||
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On July 30 2010 02:59 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Guess I better stop Pandain from 5 posts in a row. I'll make a Misder post compliation. Cmon man I was so close to having a page full of only my posts :/ | ||
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On July 30 2010 02:52 Pandain wrote: Also, Opz your right. I was putting you on the list cause' of your general attitutude. But I was just saying we should look at these user's posts, not theyre neccesarily mafia. New top 4 list 1.Misder 2.Divinek 3.Tree.hugger 4.Pyrr. Going to expand on this just because I've been looking through posts. I feel tree.hugger is innocent. Not only has he advocated such stuff as building pm circles through members we know now are innocent(tricode) he was against the lynchuing of Hyperbola and just has a feelnig of pro town to me. So 1.Misder 2.Divinek 3.Pyrr | ||
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Plus if he's mafia you know for sure im innocent Though I'm already majority lynched. | ||
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##Vote Pyrr We lynch Divinek, we find out whether Misder's innocent or not. | ||
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On July 30 2010 03:12 tree.hugger wrote: [/b]##Vote: Rastaban Mafia KP goes down to 1 once we axe Pandain, ya? This is very manageable. If you lynch someone right for the second lynch that is .Also, why you voting rastaban. I highly doubt the mafia would double fake that BC pmed them. Two mafia goons both claiming BC pmed them? That can only lead to death. In addition, BC did respond by saying "Hey I never got no pm." While Rastaban did post the pms. | ||
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We lynch me and somebody else on my top 3 list(preferbly divinek) If both innocent, than we lose 2 members. 7-3 (think this is wrong for some reason -.-.) Lynch someone else on the top now 2 list. Especially with the info we have we should lynch the right person. With one more death its 5-2 With the confirmed townies still alive we should be able to settle it from there. This is if the mafia don't hit a vet that is :p. Which we still have two of =D | ||
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Also Brownbear has my list will and testimony so its legit once he posts it. Unless he changed it hehe. | ||
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We kill me and divinek Mafia kills 2 7-3 If Divinek is innocent, lynch misder/pyrr. You guys can decide. Our second guess should be mafia. Mafia kills 1 5-2 Lynch (misder/pyrr/chaoser) Mafia kills 1 3-1 From there we should be able to settle it out. Yes I am assuming that at least 2 of the top 3 list I suggested are mafia. I am sure of that however. (facepalm if wrong hehe) | ||
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We have misder pretty innocent as well as possibly tree and chaoser(previous post by divinek said that those two were good targets as well) So it would be We kill me and divinek,Mafia kills 1 10-2 Than we lynch pyrr,mafia kills 1 9-1 (Secured.) Or if pyrr is innocent than 8-2. Lynch chaoser. By then we should ahve lynched another one. And then we have pretty much won. | ||
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You guys should lynch divinek and someone else not me. That way if divinek is innocent anyway than you guys will know if I'm mafia. In the situation in which I am mafia you know I'm for sure mafia and will lynch me. I will let myself be lynched because by then it means I can't read. And mafia kp will go down to 1. I'm alright with being lynched if everyone truly believes I'm mafia, but just putting this out there. Also, so many posts!!!!!! | ||
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##Unvote Pyrr ##VoteMisder | ||
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On July 30 2010 04:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hmm. Pandain does seem opposed to Misder (i.e. not on the same team) even though Pandain did defend Misder earlier in the game. Mafia can't do any more bussing without losing. I still think we have to take out the checked red. The interactions between Misder and BC make me the most suspicious. BC put Zeks and Misder on a list of two innocent. BC was making all sorts of lists which leads me to believe he was trying to hide mafia in lists although that blew up in his face. Additionally, Misder made a post recounting most of Foolishness's posts but left out Foolishness's vote against BC. Misder also tried to lynch Zeks to prove BC's innocence or guilt somehow, which seems awful. I find it highly unlikely that both Pandain and Misder are mafia. Nevertheless, I find it highly likely that one of them is mafia. We only need one to basically win the game since mafia KP will go to 1. ##vote Misder Highly agree with this. I encourage everyone to vote for me and misder, therefore we will be pretty sure one of them will be mafia. Pyrr summed up the arguments pretty well. Kill us now or else. | ||
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On July 29 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote: Hi I'm mafia. Frickin knew it. ##Unvote Divinek ##Vote Amber | ||
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Good bye post I 'assume If for the good of town I die Than I leave this world without a cry For out of this place of deceit and lies I come to a place I can only surmise Many tradgedys happened this week The odors of corpses now dead shall reek I can only faintly speak Of what will happen at the peak And now I look up at the stars And see myself behind death's bars I close my eyes and softly weep And death now takes me unto his keep. Not at all close to Xelin's post (dang you for being so epic) but I was bored. gl have fun have a gg | ||
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On July 30 2010 10:36 Ace wrote: + Show Spoiler [Pandain] + Last Words: Hello everyone. As you have found out I am a miller. :/ And you have lynched me. Hehe, but its koo dawgs. I wasn't the brightest townie either Doesn't this sound like the rooftop speech that funny dude in The Hangover gave? lmao + Show Spoiler + Never seen it lol. | ||
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w/e, was having an affair anyway | ||
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Tree Hugger's innocent Debate *sigh* | ||
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On August 02 2010 11:10 flamewheel wrote: d3_crescentia is voting for Misder, Bill :> bunny d3_crescentia votes for WHOEVER Bill murray wants D3_crescentia to vote for. XDXDXD | ||
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On August 02 2010 12:22 Divinek wrote: dont post you're fucking dead god damn it They say ghosts often return to the places of their deaths.... especially when they've been wronged.... | ||
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You guys better hope chaoser is mafia lol. | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:47 zeks wrote: well from what i see if pyrr and chaoser both flip town its gg? Don't forget mafia have two kills tonight. Even if chaoser is unkilled and pyrr ends up lynched, if he's green I still think its GG. | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:49 Ace wrote: CUZ THIS IS THRILLER! THRILLER NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! AND NO ONE'S GONNA SAVE YA FROM THE BEAST THATS GONNA STRIKE! Darkness falls across TL Land The midnight hour is close at hand Creatures crawl in search of blood To terrorize y’awl’s neighborhood And whosoever shall be found Without the soul for getting down Must stand and face the hounds of judgement And rot by a hanging rope The foulest stench is in the air The funk of four whole days and nights And malicious mobsters from every street Are closing in to seal your doom And though they fight to stay alive Your body starts to shiver For no mere mortal can resist The evil of the Killer | ||
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On August 03 2010 13:20 Divinek wrote: im sure they have a pretty good idea who the vets are lol, so they'd be able to avoid them god damn it why does pandain keep randomly pm'ing me every time I muster up the courage to say I love you and I start the PM, but than I cower and chicken out so I just say something random. | ||
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On August 03 2010 13:27 chaoser wrote: pandain, where's my love =[ I would love you more, but I just felt so betrayed after you betrayed me like that. | ||
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On August 03 2010 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: uhh, dude you can't modkill the person who had most votes to be lynched. Or I would have been modkilled instead of lynched in the previous day for not voting period. Haha what? Pyrr is going to be safe? | ||
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On August 03 2010 13:59 Divinek wrote: i dont even know anymore man oh the humanity of it all "Pyrr the GodFather and Chaoser the Village Idiot are now dead." What the fadoodle? | ||
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I am now.... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://calitreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/thriller-jacksonzombie.jpg) | ||
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On August 05 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote: LOL, it's not time to vote, it's night. And yes. its day | ||
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Well done mafia. Hehe. So it was SouthRawr, Bloody Cobbler, Pyrr, Proct, Xelin, and ? Rastaban? | ||
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Also: so it was BC, SR, Xelin, Proct, Rastaban, and pyrr? | ||
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Pretty sexy. Did proct(/mafia) plan this all out with framing me for subversions death. | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:17 Protactinium wrote: Hidden trump cards are deadly, no? Yep. That's an amazing plan, not killing dt so you can get extra kill. I have to say I never really suspected you. | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:19 BrownBear wrote: Lynch me and town loses. Plain and simple. You and Divinek are confirmed, I know my role, that leaves Misder/Pyrr/Protact/rastaban. The problem is, we have to be right all 3 times in a row. I think rasta is definitely red, I think Misder is possibly red, and I don't know about Pyrr/Protact. We shall see. But don't lynch me. You have, at best, random circumstantial evidence and "he's been playing like crap this game" evidence. That does not equal scum. Rastaban, by comparison, has some decently solid evidence, Misder has been lurking all game, and... well, I still don't know about Pyrr/Protact, lol. best post ever | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: :p it helped before dying I was able to figure out 3 of the remaining roles out of 4 players, and then they all died in one night. Kudo's guys for following through with people I spotted. I may have messed up at first (hitting a med protected vet day 1 whoops) but overall I think we did good on our night hits. Protact amazing job with subversion! Agreed. I want proctat to have my babies and then go to subversion and claim they are his. Didn't rastaban and south both claiming they got pms from you mean you were sure to be lynched though? Also, that was amazing acting there looked legit. I have to say, I think the Xelin attack really saved the mafia. | ||
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1.Inflitration of DT Subversion 2.The Xelin Attack 3.Sexy blue sniping 4.Medic protecting BC(hehe) | ||
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1) Youngmini didn't immediately spurt out I false claimed 2) I wasn't miller | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:38 XeliN wrote: Yessssssssssssssssssssssss!!!! Best mafia team I've ever been on, although only been on one other before. Protractinum and Pyrrholuxia where especially awesome simply on the ammount of effort and detail that went into so many of their posts. I on the other hand was a blot of inactivity marring an otherwise brilliant team, but luck vindicated me abit in the suicide hit ^^ heh I can only imagine what the medic protecting you and zeks felt after you said that you were infested. Would've been so epic. | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:40 Protactinium wrote: Nah, you would have died after Subversion was killed. I had the PMs. Think I still would've been safe. Just "Subversion doubting me" wouldn't have lynched me. I could've argued out of it. It would just show me as reckless and impulsive, not mafia. Also, I love how in so many pms you guys were like "Yeah, Pandain just does random stuff, too impulsive." So true n.n | ||
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1.Too impulsive, made Subversion "doubt me" Also got me in sticky situations 2.Too trusting, trusted everyone in secret alliance =D. Especially proct, who I just thought was confused. Also too persuadable, as I was easily persuaded by mafia again and again. 3.Mis-guessed so many people for little "one liner mistakes". which is not enough to prove that you are mafia. Huge mistake, especially with Hyperbola. 4. Trusted people who made long posts, viewed them as "pro town" | ||
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On August 05 2010 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Much obliged. As i told everyone in thread I would do it regardless of role. Thankfully infundi, chaoser and tree.hugger also saw issues and helped me win the day. No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen. Albeit maybe I should've given it -.- | ||
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On August 05 2010 06:46 Pandain wrote: My faults this game: A reflective analysis 1.Too impulsive, made Subversion "doubt me" Also got me in sticky situations 2.Too trusting, trusted everyone in secret alliance =D. Especially proct, who I just thought was confused. Also too persuadable, as I was easily persuaded by mafia again and again. 3.Mis-guessed so many people for little "one liner mistakes". which is not enough to prove that you are mafia. Huge mistake, especially with Hyperbola. 4. Trusted people who made long posts, viewed them as "pro town" Also add to this that I always defended the "lurkers" because they had said they had "real life problems" and i always believed them T_T | ||
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On August 05 2010 07:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: IT WAS UNBALANCED BECAUSE OF FOOLISHNESS HE HAD TO DIE! fucking jerk making my life harder har haris that why you killed him? Haha I thought that would've been too miniscule a reason and mafia just wanted to hit a potential blue. It was so much better for mafia when misder accidently left out the Foolishness post accusing BC lol. | ||
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On August 05 2010 08:19 Protactinium wrote: I seriously wonder how many people bothered to read them... Also what if I said I had made up a lot of the PMs between Pandain and myself? you did? Hehehehehe. Also: I did read your posts. They were quite good then. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: We lynch southrawr A) is mafia trying to save himself B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser C) he flips green and we all go wtf . Said this before to other people but I want all of humanity to share in this amazing quote. That last option.... I was laughing for like 5 minutes straight. | ||
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On August 05 2010 08:22 BrownBear wrote: Dude, it's all good. I got too frustrated during the game, I'm sorry. I know how much work you put into this. Agreed, and once again. Congrats on being engaged! | ||
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On August 05 2010 08:48 Incognito wrote: Oh also one more thing you always lynch people who flip red. Always. Even if they're miller. Not if they save pandas for a living! Also, I think being the SECOND miller really hurt me :/. Hehe, I was wondering whether I was a miller and than Laxer shows to be miller. I breathe a sigh of relief, too soon. | ||
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On August 05 2010 09:04 Divinek wrote: yeah but he talked back enough to peg him as red for me so i figured it was a fair trade. really i thought they might think i was some other blue role just bs'ing as vet so they wouldnt hit me then they might etc etc No offense, but I think that got ruined when you told the whole town you were vet lol. | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:26 citi.zen wrote: I am fully at fault for not being sufficiently active the day of the claim. Reading back pages 92-onwards, the mafia never found logical "holes" in the plan - they never even invoked the argument Ace brought up (which I continue to think rests on the assumption a hatter is primarily valuable for their bombs, an assumption that is not always correct). Because they could not find logical flaws they started to sacrifice people: BC, South, rastaban. They also made a HUGE number of plainly nonsensical arguments. For example, when it was leaked that there were "multiple dt rep" claims, the mafia said "why would citi.zen not tell us? he must be red!" Of course, multiple DT rep claims should have made it 100% obvious I was telling the truth: if I was red the fake claims would have to come from townies, but why would a townie every fake claim in that situation? So fake claims to me = I could NOT be red. Whatever... there are way too many incoherent arguments that day to talk about all of them. So I don't think at all that the plan was bad, had big logical flaws, or screwed the town over. It was solid and surfaced clear reds. The town was better off for it. I am really surprised to see everyone watching this, from Ace to Ver or Incognito say it was a bad idea. And just to be clear: I think this was indeed a town favored set-up. The mafia won so they deserve 2x the congratulations for being active and having a fantastic PR machine when it counted. That's an extremely good point, and if noticed would've saved us. I myself knew about the triple claim because you told me so I didn't look into it but I should've thought about it from this regard. *facepalm* Thus proving the valuable asset of reading. | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:29 rastaban wrote: These are some good points but I disagree with the first, if it had been a closed circle then yeah, that might be legit, but when he died was there anyone who didn't already know he was DT? I mean Zeks PM to me was the sub was my DT and he pretty much outed him in the thread. The infiltration gave us good information on others but it only occurred because subversion had outed himself. Were you in zeks' circle? | ||
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On August 05 2010 10:48 rastaban wrote: But I was arguing there were only 2 claims, and your DT never existed because you were actually mafia trying to flush them out. There I would actually start to suspect you only because you're still just assuming its all because he's mafia. Since citizen didn't tell anyone, besides us, that means he didn't "fabricate anything." | ||
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On August 05 2010 11:10 youngminii wrote: Damn I suck Too impulsive... like me, but you will never change your mind afterwards lol. Take like 2 minutes to step back and reconsider from all viewpoints and you will be alot better. Where you gonna post your dance btw? :p | ||
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