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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 27 2010 01:50 GMT
#2772
I think we should go with SR and Pandain and SR should give us the info we need to decide on BC/Rastaban.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 05:31 GMT
#3056
LOL Pandain. Please don't tell me anyone is buying this "I'm the other miller" thing. You come up red, you die. The odds are what, 1/14 black IF there is another miller? With a guaranteed 3/14 red. What the fuck was the point of checking you if you come up red and we still don't lynch you? Not to mention I was suspicious of you earlier when the DT was leaked and you pressured the DT to cough up his identity (which only reds should have a motive to do).

##vote Pandain
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 05:34 GMT
#3057
Why is youngminii confirmed? Why aren't we building the town circle around Tricode?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 05:45 GMT
#3067
1. If there are three millers I will personally find BM at his house and dropkick him. There aren't.

2. You asked him to cough it up to you, not the town. Then you couldn't hide that anymore after the circle started to get investigated for leaks.

3. Yes, our DT found a red so I'm voting. I need to start voting now because apparently the only red we've found by DT check has decided to assume town leadership.

4. How could so many blues die in one night? Maybe there was a red in the circle? The circle you have apparently crowned yourself king of, despite not being checked? The circle that you apparently were allowed to remain in even after turning up red after you finally were checked? The circle that you happen to be one of the only survivors from after the events of last night? The correct response couldn't be simpler.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 05:57 GMT
#3080
On July 29 2010 14:52 Protactinium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2010 14:49 Divinek wrote:
On July 29 2010 14:47 Pandain wrote:
On July 29 2010 14:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
1. If there are three millers I will personally find BM at his house and dropkick him. There aren't.

2. You asked him to cough it up to you, not the town. Then you couldn't hide that anymore after the circle started to get investigated for leaks.

3. Yes, our DT found a red so I'm voting. I need to start voting now because apparently the only red we've found by DT check has decided to assume town leadership.

4. How could so many blues die in one night? Maybe there was a red in the circle? The circle you have apparently crowned yourself king of, despite not being checked? The circle that you apparently were allowed to remain in even after turning up red after you finally were checked? The circle that you happen to be one of the only survivors from after the events of last night? The correct response couldn't be simpler.


1. *sigh* TWO millers, not three, TWO
2.Quote it
3.I'm just asking you to hear my side before you vote. 7 votes and its a majority and I'm auto lynched. I'm asking you to at least wait for my def.
4.Maybe because of a whole bunch of fails? Zek's bombs blow off on a townie and (xelin?) The medic tries to protect xelin, and tht is a fail. I can't have been responsible for the other leak because zeks wouldn't tell me who the dt was. So I'm not responsible at all.



im straight up FoS'ing anyone that doesnt vote for you after you dt check red regardless of what you say

Don't everybody vote at once though. We still want to be able to talk things through, and the more time the town has to discuss the better it is.

List of own posts coming. I'll do Pandain's as well, but he's probably got a million of them.

It's double lynch today, BM has to wait for us to decide on target #2, which will be harder.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 06:04 GMT
#3085
On July 29 2010 15:02 Pandain wrote:
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On July 29 2010 14:58 Divinek wrote:
On July 29 2010 14:54 Pandain wrote:
On July 29 2010 14:52 Divinek wrote:
On July 29 2010 14:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 29 2010 14:49 Divinek wrote:

im straight up FoS'ing anyone that doesnt vote for you after you dt check red regardless of what you say


Cmon man, seriously?

Am I the only one who finds this at least SOMEWHAT wrong?



when you dt check red, and one miller is already dead

there is nothing more to ask/say

it is sooo beyond logic, naturally any mafia is going to try and persuade us not to vote for him


Naturally. But I would assume any rational pro town person would wait to hear the defense of a person before lynching them and declaring anything they say useless and saying anyone who disagrees with you AT ALL is FOS.




we cant afford not to lynch someone that dt checks red ahhhh, though i believe it to be fully possible for 2 millers to exist out of 24 town, i suppose.

25% chance you're miller, 75% chance you're mafia such gooood odds

cause everytime we mis lynch everyone will think well what if pandain....

it's really better just to get you out of the way


Yeah you can afford to wait though. We have two full days. At least allow me to defend myself before automatically voting.
And also, if there is anothe rmiller, than theres a 3/4 chance that I'm miller, not 25%. Going to bed soon so anyone who'd like to PM BM about that, I'd be uber grateful.

No, its not just better to get me out of the way. Did you see how many we lost man? Right now, we're on basically, at heart, speculation. We need to be careful about every lynch now.

Now I'm not saying that there isn't some evidence against me... there is. I'm just saying please wait for me to defend myself before voting. Is that really so bad?

Where are you getting this 3/4 shit? And there would have to be 3 millers since one is already dead.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 06:10 GMT
#3092
On July 29 2010 14:47 Pandain wrote:
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On July 29 2010 14:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
1. If there are three millers I will personally find BM at his house and dropkick him. There aren't.

2. You asked him to cough it up to you, not the town. Then you couldn't hide that anymore after the circle started to get investigated for leaks.

3. Yes, our DT found a red so I'm voting. I need to start voting now because apparently the only red we've found by DT check has decided to assume town leadership.

4. How could so many blues die in one night? Maybe there was a red in the circle? The circle you have apparently crowned yourself king of, despite not being checked? The circle that you apparently were allowed to remain in even after turning up red after you finally were checked? The circle that you happen to be one of the only survivors from after the events of last night? The correct response couldn't be simpler.


1. *sigh* TWO millers, not three, TWO
2.Quote it
3.I'm just asking you to hear my side before you vote. 7 votes and its a majority and I'm auto lynched. I'm asking you to at least wait for my def.
4.Maybe because of a whole bunch of fails? Zek's bombs blow off on a townie and (xelin?) The medic tries to protect xelin, and tht is a fail. I can't have been responsible for the other leak because zeks wouldn't tell me who the dt was. So I'm not responsible at all.

1. There is a dead miller so there would have to be three.
2. Allow me to call the fuck out of that bluff:
On July 26 2010 02:07 Pandain wrote:
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On July 26 2010 01:32 youngminii wrote:

He claims that DT checked you, me and blindly went up to Pandain with all this information without even having checked DT. He also claims that he talked to citi.zen which has been confirmed, however citi.zen rejected any offer that Pandain had because of suspicion etc.


Just clearing it up so everyone can hear my story.

I found out about DT, and confronted him. He didn't go up to me. He gave me the information because I already knew he was DT lol. And I didn't have any offer for citizen, don't know where that came from.

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On July 26 2010 01:32 youngminii wrote:
Also, I find it kind of funny that Pandain lynches citi.zen (also after I explicitly told him not to, and that I would expose him if he did and citi.zen flipped green, which was met with no rebuttal) because citi.zen false claimed to protect a blue whereas Pandain literally did the same thing yet expects people to blindly follow him.


Yeah, that's still an incredibally stupid thing to do considering you had no proof I was fake claiming. What If I was the real DT? You could've just revealed me. This is why we can't just reveal anyone to the DT, cause they could do stupid stuff like this. I don't expect people to blindly follow me, I expect them to trust me. Just like how we now trust citizen. The difference being I came right out and said it while citizen delayed until like 5 minutes before night lol.

You couldn't have "known" he was DT. So that's a lie that you didn't admit to that and lie that you knew he was dt. Bada bing bada boom.
3. You're already defending yourself, I'm already pointing out the bullshit. Town is not going to delay all discussion for you to come up with better arguments than the meager cloud of dust you're kicking up now. We still have to find target #2 we don't need to waste time determining whether or not we lynch the guy that came back red and was connected to multiple circle leaks (zeks being protected/checked, subversion being killed).
4. How did you even know the medic was protecting Xelin and not Zeks? So you were in contact or had info about the medic?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 07:08 GMT
#3128
On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:
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On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.

I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.

Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.


please consider misder also!

though i think both of your above are very good options as well


Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.


I guess I should take a look at misder; all I have thought about him so far this game is that he helped me get DTA lynched.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 07:52 GMT
#3131
On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:
On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.

I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.

Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.


please consider misder also!

though i think both of your above are very good options as well


Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.


Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now.

Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose.



I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link.


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On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled

To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective.

At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature."


Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well...




post PMs please
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 08:49 GMT
#3135
On July 29 2010 17:19 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2010 17:08 rastaban wrote:
On July 29 2010 16:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote:
On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:
On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.

I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.

Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.


please consider misder also!

though i think both of your above are very good options as well


Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.


Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now.

Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose.



I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link.


On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled

To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective.

At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature."


Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well...




post PMs please


Does anybody actually read the stuff I post?? Here they are I put them up earlier when Pandain requested them here is the Link

Also I wanted to respond to the last part of this.
On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:
On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.

I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.

Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.


please consider misder also!

though i think both of your above are very good options as well


Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.


Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now.

Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose.


I didn't lie, I merely passed on the information I believed to be correct. This game we have seen BloodyC0bbler, Zeks, Citi.zen, Pandain, SouthRawea, and Subversion all lie and it has caused us no end of trouble.

In fact you also came forward without a DT because you were lied to as well. This is why you lynch all liars.

You know what's funny, I don't believe BC false claimed to you. I believe you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass after you saw that you were in a tight spot because your DT claim went wrong. You saw the BC and SouthRawrea were both royally fucked and you knew bussing them was the obvious way to go. So instead of simply bussing them like a normal person, you pinned BC for your fake DT claim. Notice how he doesn't respond?

##Unvote Chaoser
##Vote rastaban

The PMs do seem like BC to me, but if rastaban is red then BC would obviously be writing them anyway even though they are "fake". I know BC when red likes to use nooby innocents as mouths to hide his influence so it is plausible. But that doesn't really help us because if rastaban is red it would look the same way.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 17:59 GMT
#3166
Guess I better stop Pandain from 5 posts in a row. I'll make a Misder post compliation.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 18:57 GMT
#3180
Compendium of posts by or about Misder (Part 1)

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Page 9
On July 17 2010 00:38 Misder wrote:
How do you know who's mafia if there are no clues? Behavior?

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On July 17 2010 11:27 Misder wrote:
So... are we lynching now?

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This was the first vote on Hyperbola, who ended up getting lynched. Prior to this post, nine different people had one vote each on them. Misder ended the day with his vote on LaxerCannon, though...
On July 18 2010 10:43 Misder wrote:
##Vote: hyperbola
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On July 18 2010 08:10 Hyperbola wrote:
Hello my fellow Liquadians. I am here and active. Sup.
Just posting here not to get killed.
Btw SiNiquity is mafia because his last post is just way too long.
#### I vote SiNiquity

Sketchy to me. He says hes active, but says he only posted because he does want to be killed. And hyperbola's reason to lynch SiNiquity is horrible lol.
I was actually going to abstain, but hyperbola's post annoyed me lol.

More vote analysis:
Misder voted with SouthRawrea (as well as Roffles and Citi.zen) against Chaoser on Day 2.
Day 3, Misder voted for me rather than citi.zen or southrawrea (citi.zen died).
Day 4, Misder voted for Pandain rather than BC.
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On July 18 2010 13:22 Misder wrote:
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On July 18 2010 12:23 Hyperbola wrote:
On July 18 2010 11:10 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen!

Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'.

##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain

I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no?


On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?

Oh hell no absolutely not.

I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.

No lynch is a terrible idea.

If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS.


There's a 27% chance we will hit a blue tonight. The mafia has a 57% chance of hitting a blue on the first night.

But if you want a good reason, then I'd consider hyperbola. Not to look petty, but his only contribution is "Hi, I'm active!" In fact, if you search his recent games, he's been inactive in most of them, and the last one he used this to his advantage to fly under the radar as mafia. So he has a history of being inactive. Assuming this continues, he's either an inactive townie or mafia, but either way it works to our advantage to lynch him.

Hrm. Exactly what scum would do.
Starting a bandwagon against me when I've accused one of their operatives.
And SiNiquity, you took your time to write another rather lengthy post against me. I'm quite flattered but this is quite suspicious in my book. You almost seem on edge and unload the big guns on a random passerby on the street who looked you the wrong way.
And as a semi-legitimate defense: I'm quite quiet in all of my games. Yes I have been mafia in some but I've also had my fair share of green and blue roles.
You've picked the wrong person to act as your scapegoat bucko.

Um... I'm not aligned with SiNiquity at all right now. I know nothing of him. However, I do know that your post seems really... odd, to say the least. Also, what is wrong with a lengthy post? His first lengthy post was just a list of names that have not contributed (I was on that list... hopefully I'm doing ok helping out the town as much as I can). His second lengthy response, I admit, is completely against you; but he has a point. Just because you were townie aligned before does not mean that you can act sketchy and get away with it.

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Misder asks Amber[Light] why he is trusting Xelin
On July 19 2010 02:27 Misder wrote:
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On July 19 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D


Why exactly do you trust Xelin out of all the players here?

As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor.

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On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote:
You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back.
Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often?
I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay?

and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched...

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Vote changed to LaxerCannon
On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote:
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On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys, really?
Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy:

People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:

Brown Bear

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On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote:
Ahhhh shti!

I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill?

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On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote:
###Vote: Hyperbola

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On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote:
Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread.

Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread?

youngminii

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On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?

Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta.


You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue.

You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town).

SiNiquity

I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum

at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat).

Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you.

This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me.

LaXerCannon

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On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.

IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list).


We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed.

I'm getting carried away here...

I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action.

I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go.

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On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote:
##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>)

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On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen!

Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'.

##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain

I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no?


On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?

Oh hell no absolutely not.

I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.

No lynch is a terrible idea.

If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS.


Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town

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On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote:
playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours.

First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much.

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this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die

sorry about trying to have fun guys :/

j/k

~peace


##Unvote: Hyperbola
Vote: LaXerCannon


blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation.
Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision...

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Impatient for day post
On July 20 2010 10:27 Misder wrote:
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On July 20 2010 07:15 LaXerCannon wrote:
Resources (fixed)
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Jayme -> Amber[light]
Pandain -> abstain
DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia
d3_crescentia -> DTA
DTA -> Unabstain
citi.zen -> DTA
rastaban -> citi.zen
youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia
Pandain -> Incognito
SouthRawrea -> Abstain
~OpZ~ -> Chaoser
BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain
bumatlarge -> Divinek
Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler
Hyperbola -> SiNiquity
LaXercannon -> Abstain
Youngminii -> Abstain
Divinek -> Abstain
Tricode -> Abstain
Misder -> Hyperbola
Divinek -> Hyperbola
Pandain -> Hyperbola
Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain
zeks -> Hyperbola
SiNiquity -> Hyperbola
Roffles -> Abstain
tree.hugger -> LaXercannon
Foolishness -> Abstain
lakrismamma -> LaXercannon
lakrismamma -> Subversion
BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain
~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler
Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA
XeliN -> Brownbear
iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii
youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM
citi.zen -> ketomai
XeliN -> youngminii
chaoser -> abstain
Amber[LighT] -> abstain
treehugger -> DTA
Amber[LighT] -> youngminii
Roffles -> youngminii
lakrismamma -> ketomai
DTA -> Amber[LighT]
bumatlarge -> Hyperbola
BrownBear -> Hyperbola
Jayme -> Youngminii
Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler
Misder -> LaXerCannon
zeks -> abstain
Subversion -> Hyperbola


BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain -> Pandain
bumatlarge -> Divinek -> Hyperbola*
BrownBear -> Hyperbola*
Chaoser -> Abstain
citi.zen -> ketomai
d3_crescentia -> DTA
Divinek -> Abstain -> Hyperbola*
DTA -> Abstain -> Amber[LighT]
Foolishness -> Abstain -> BloodyC0bbler
Hyperbola -> SiNiquity
iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii
Jayme -> Amber[Light] -> youngminii
lakrismamma -> LaXerCannon -> Subversion -> ketomai
LaXercannon -> Abstain
Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon
~OpZ~ -> Chaoser -> BloodyC0bbler
Pandain -> Abstain -> Incognito (?) -> BloodyC0bbler -> Hyperbola*
Protactinium -> Abstain
Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain -> DTA
rastaban -> citi.zen
Roffles -> Abstain
SiNiquity -> Hyperbola*
SouthRawrea -> Abstain
Subversion -> Hyperbola
Tricode -> Abstain
tree.hugger -> LaXerCannon
XeliN -> Brownbear -> youngminii
youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia -> abstain -> iNfuNdiBuLuM
zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain


What interests me is this block of voting:
Misder -> Hyperbola
Divinek -> Hyperbola
Pandain -> Hyperbola
Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain
zeks -> Hyperbola
SiNiquity -> Hyperbola

and these people:
Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon
zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain

My head hurts so I'll just give a couple one liners for now (I've been digging through this damned thread for like an eternity)

The Hyperbola bandwagon
Misder @ 10:43
Divinek @ 10:51
Pandain @ 10:56
zeks @ 11:22
SiNiquity @ 11:37

Within an hour, Hyperbola gets bandwagonned and is in first place:
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5] Hyperbola (Misder, Divinek, Pandain, Zeks, SiNiquity)
2] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, citi.zen)
1] Amber[LighT] (jayme),
1] d3_crescentia (darthThienAn),
1] citi.zen (rastaban)
1] chaoser (~opz~)
1] Divinek (bumatlarge)
1] SiNiquity (Hyperbola)
6] abstain (BloodyC0bbler, LaXerCannon, youngminii, tricode, Pyrrhuloxia, Roffles)
@ 11:37 (after roffles' vote)

Definitely suspicious considering how fast and compact the votes were together

Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon
zeks -> Hyperbola*
-> abstain

Misder -> starts bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed
zeks -> fourth voter for bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed

attempts at lowering suspicion?



I already said why I unvoted for Hyperbola. + Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote:
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On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys, really?
Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy:

People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:

Brown Bear

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On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote:
Ahhhh shti!

I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill?

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On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote:
###Vote: Hyperbola

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On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote:
Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread.

Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread?

youngminii

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On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?

Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta.


You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue.

You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town).

SiNiquity

I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum

at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat).

Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you.

This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me.

LaXerCannon

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On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.

IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list).


We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed.

I'm getting carried away here...

I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action.

I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go.

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On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote:
##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>)

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On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen!

Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'.

##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain

I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no?


On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?

Oh hell no absolutely not.

I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.

No lynch is a terrible idea.

If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS.


Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town

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On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote:
playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours.

First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much.

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this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die

sorry about trying to have fun guys :/

j/k

~peace


##Unvote: Hyperbola
Vote: LaXerCannon


blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation.
Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision...



Also, as many people already stated, Hyperbola was not screwed all the way. It was 6-5 for Hyperbola, a very close vote.

Anyways... ITS 9:27!!!!!! WHERE IS THE DAY POST!!!!

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Deflects blame for Hyperbola bandwagon onto followers BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion
On July 20 2010 13:44 Misder wrote:
BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion are the three people that originally voted for Hyperbola... just because. As people already pointed out, they are under the most suspicion because they just went the easy way out, without needing to read the thread. I think that we should lynch one of these three. Either they are mafia who don't want to come out or townies that aren't helping anything by jumping on bandwagons which was decisive in who we lynched on Day 1 (could have been 4-5 if they actually read the thread and had their own ideas).

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On July 20 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote:
the day technically started at 9 pm est/10 kst
my girlfriend and i have been fighting, and i'm sorry that that inhibited my ability to resolve the night's action on time, but we really needed a night out together, and went to see the movie inception. i would like to add that i am now engaged to be married. i will make the day start from midnight tonight as a result. let me go through the actions and see who was to be killed/protected/etc.


Congrats! I'm sorry about making you rush the day post >.<

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BloodyC0bbler makes a big post including why he thinks Zeks and Misder are town. Why would the GF make a post trying to convince town that two town-aligned people are town-aligned?
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Misder puts FoS on lakrismamma, citi.zen, and DTA for Foolishness's death (note I used this in my case against DTA).
On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote:
Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.)



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On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:
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On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something.

Tree.Hugger:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740578
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5747605http://www.teamliqhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749524uid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749520http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5750215
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5752728
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5754219[/url
post_id=5755140" target="_blank">http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755140

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5758069
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5761145


BrownBear
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5612556
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205


Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly.

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This was harder than I thought . Oh well.

You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen



If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen

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On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:
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On July 20 2010 08:22 DarthThienAn wrote:
Foolishness, are you so innocent yourself? You haven't really posted at all.

Unofficial Start of the Game:

Your first post after it: which doesn't really say much.

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=19#363]2nd post:[/url] A ninja abstain vote to avoid modkill. Let's see if you change it later / actually contribute.

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=24#478]3rd post:[/url] There's the switch. You go to BC based on "bad vibes," claim busy IRL, and promise future activity.

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=28#547]Your next post:[/url] A summary of what happened during the voting. Implies youngminii, BrownBear, and bumatlarge might all be mafia together.

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=28#551]Next (two):[/url] Basically saying that we can't pull much from the voting patterns without more information than the vote talliers have given us.

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=28#554]Next:[/url] Bashing on me for... what, joking around a bit and still providing about as much content as you?

Gonna stop there as the other posts are pretty recent. So how much content have you provided? Not much. And all of it is within the last two pages. Sure you're busy with life and all, but maybe I'm busy with life too. Maybe we're all busy with life, except flamewheel. Sure, I might be spamming a bit here and there, but maybe I don't have much to say / don't have the time to write it all out.

This isn't about me. This is about you.

I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out.

And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced.

By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you.

If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town.



Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him.

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On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote:
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On July 20 2010 08:08 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:
On July 20 2010 08:01 DarthThienAn wrote:
Guys if I die tonight, then I am mafia.

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Godfather

You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch.

Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble.


lol. Just doing my job ^^.

On another note, I think Hyberbola was Godfather, so he flipped green... I mean, BM didn't officially say that he was a townie in the night post. :D:D:D

I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts.

Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better.


More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia.

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On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:
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On July 20 2010 08:01 DarthThienAn wrote:
Guys if I die tonight, then I am mafia.

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Godfather

You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch.

Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble.



More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night.

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On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote:
The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything.

The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover.

It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for.



People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track.


##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good.

On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen.

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On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:
On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something.

Tree.Hugger:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740578
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5747605http://www.teamliqhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749524uid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749520http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5750215
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5752728
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5754219[/url
post_id=5755140" target="_blank">http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755140

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5758069
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5761145


BrownBear
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5612556
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205[/url]


Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly.

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This was harder than I thought . Oh well.

You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen

I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts:

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On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:
On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:

1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still!


Good post!

Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives.

I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well.

##vote LaxerCannon

He is usually more active so get to it Laxer.


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On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.

I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.

##Unvote
##vote ketomai

Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red.



Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?

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Citi.zen points out that Misder's collection of Foolishness's post leaves out the one where Foolishness votes for BloodyC0bbler!
On July 21 2010 03:29 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen.

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On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:
On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something.

Tree.Hugger:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740578
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5747605http://www.teamliqhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749524uid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749520http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5750215
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5752728
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5754219[/url
post_id=5755140" target="_blank">http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755140

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5758069
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5761145


BrownBear
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[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5612556]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5612556
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205[/url]


Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly.

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This was harder than I thought . Oh well.

You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen

I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts:

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On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:
On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:

1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still!


Good post!

Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives.

I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well.

##vote LaxerCannon

He is usually more active so get to it Laxer.


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On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.

I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.

##Unvote
##vote ketomai

Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red.



Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?

Good collection of posts man, congrats! You left out this one:


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On July 19 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote:
Switching my Vote from abstain:

##Vote BloodyCobbler

Just based on bad vibes so far. I am busy irl the past few days, but I will be active permanently by the first night for the rest of the game. If the first night goes by and I haven't made an active contribution feel free to hold me accountable.

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Misder changes vote from DTA (who gets lynched) to Chaoser
On July 22 2010 01:32 Misder wrote:
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On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote:
Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12?

So far the votes have been

Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59
DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59
tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03
DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34
d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50
Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15
bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59
~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01
rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59
Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18
Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02
Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57
bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25
DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30

NEW VOTES:

chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02
BrownBear abstains at 6:52
Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53
Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20
youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32
chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25
LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27
SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19
chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34

hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me

##vote Subversion

End result:
BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode)
Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser)
DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea)
abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon)

People yet to vote:
xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles


Chaoser won't tell us what he is experimenting. Here's what I think he is doing. Remember subversion's post?
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On July 21 2010 09:09 Subversion wrote:
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On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:

Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia.



Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more.

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If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself.


There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out.

Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection.

What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all.

I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes."

I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates.


THANK YOU fucking hell. I played in ONE NIGHT of harry potter mafia, I got temp banned for some stupid joke and got replaced

This is my first game ffs, I didn't realise what I said would make it "oh gg, he's mafia lol, what a fkn moron". I was trying to be useful

Seems like everyone is jumping on my voting bandwagon, I get what I said was stupid now, although I still don't really understand why its a fucknormous mistake. I was simply stating what to me, was a fairly obvious fact. It was kind of a justification for my vote to be honest. I didn't see any major mistakes, I didn't have anyone I felt REALLY deserved a vote, but I didn't wanna abstain and I thought Hyperbola was fucked anyway. So I read what he said and what others said, there didn't really seem like any better choice, so I just voted for him. Like I said, I didn't really think my vote mattered much anyway. I also had Bill up my ass saying I was gonna be modkilled if I didn't vote!

I really don't want to be voted out here, I don't want to roleclaim either, but I can if necessary??


I think that chaoser is trying to get subversion to roleclaim. He voted for subversion to pressure subversion to roleclaim to defend himself. Do not roleclaim yet. This makes me very very suspicious of chaoser. I may be completely paranoid, but its scummy to me.
##Unvote DarthThienAn
Vote chaoser

On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote:
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On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote:
Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks.


Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it?

Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
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Says he is suspicious of Zeks and BC
On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote:
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On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote:
On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote:
Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks.


Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it?

Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold.

BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him:

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On July 21 2010 03:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. [nr: the rest of the quote does not paste well - go find it yourselves]


Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia.


Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here.

So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking).

That's my little conspiracy theory of the day!


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On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys, really?
Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy:

People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:

Brown Bear

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On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote:
Ahhhh shti!

I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill?

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On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote:
###Vote: Hyperbola

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On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote:
Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread.

Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread?

youngminii

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On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?

Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta.


You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue.

You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town).

SiNiquity

I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum

at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat).

Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you.

This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me.

LaXerCannon

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On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.

IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list).


We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed.

I'm getting carried away here...

I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action.

I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go.

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On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote:
##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>)

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On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen!

Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'.

##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain

I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no?


On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?

Oh hell no absolutely not.

I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.

No lynch is a terrible idea.

If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS.


Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town

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On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote:
playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours.

First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much.

-------------------------------------------------------
this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die

sorry about trying to have fun guys :/

j/k

~peace


I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus.
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blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation.
Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision...

My reason for lynching him was this
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As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor.

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On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote:
You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back.
Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often?
I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay?

and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched...


Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior.

The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that.

Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out.

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On July 22 2010 12:44 Misder wrote:
##Vote Double lynch

I have a feeling that after today, we are going to have a huge crapload of people under suspicion...

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On July 22 2010 12:48 Misder wrote:
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On July 22 2010 12:45 Pandain wrote:
But yeah Darth, just for your own interests you might want to vote Chaoser just because I'm definitely not voting Subversion.


Darth already said that hes went to sleep xD

On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote:
One more person needs to vote double lynch for it to pass!!

On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote:
It is majority vote for double lynch, right?

On July 22 2010 12:54 Misder wrote:
oh, lol. When I looked at BM vote tally, I thought there were 15 people left and we needed 8 people... stupid me.

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Citi.zen wonder why no one is responding to or following with his suspicion of Misder. Pandain replies to say he thinks Zeks is more suspicious than Misder.
On July 23 2010 06:09 Pandain wrote:
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On July 23 2010 05:46 citi.zen wrote:
On July 23 2010 05:19 tree.hugger wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:08 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On July 23 2010 03:04 BrownBear wrote:
On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment.


This should be apparent, but NOBODY SHOULD TELL MEDICS OR DTs WHAT TO DO IN THE THREAD. OR EVEN HINT AT IT. The suicide bomber is still out there.


That's why I'm glad we haven't. It's better for the DT's to (hopefully) be on top of their own jobs without us spewing "oh do this." If they feel that what they're doing is better than what's being suggested in the thread then that's fine. The game is relying on their diligence at this point and I've stated what I would expect from the DT's throughout much of the game.

This goes for the other blues as well.

Unless the town comes to some kind of judgement about who to check, then we really don't need to worry too deeply about him. As we all know, just because I say something doesn't mean we're going to do it.

For example, it's important that the town talks about citi.zen and BC. Both are veterans, both are smart, both are good at this game. Also, both have been utterly useless so far, popping in once in a while to tell the town that it's doing it all wrong, without ever adding something concrete. It's that kind of ambiguous grey area of activity and inactivity that the mafia love to hide in.

Of course, Subversion or youngminii would be great checks as well, seeing as how they're both the same color, and it'd be useful to find out what that is.

And surely none of these people would object to them being checked, because they have nothing to fear, right?

I've actually tried to contribute, it's just that nobody cares to read anything but their own little flame wars. Has there been a single reply to my accusation of misder? Crickets - after asking me why I suspected him even he hasn't followed up at all - why draw attention to yourself when there is not risk of getting lynched? I also thought lynching zeks would be a decent idea, and said that if he is red we could have 2 more strong suspects, remember? Here's one more: look above you at Chaoser's posts. What he is doing is textbook red in my experience. The endless "voting behavior" discussions are a great way for the mafia to distract everyone for pages and pages, but I am yet to see a red "caught" based on it. It does however offer a great way to seem "active" without risking much - all you're doing is summarizing data without even commenting on it (why risk slipping up!). Another subtle and common bit of mafia behavior is to be more dismissive than usual, saying things like "I'm not your mom" or "screw you" rather than respond in a way that encourages further discussion. It works great when it's done by veterans against new players, but everyone does it to some degree. All the while, Chaoser was active and online, even posting in other threads.

Am I being too ambiguous?


I actually followed up on your suscipion of misder/zeks and I've decided that misder is much more town-likely than zeks. Misder I feel is actually contributing while Zeks posts' aren't that praiseworthy much. In addition, I negated the idea of ALL the three of them being mafia (misder,zeks, BC) because as misder says in this post he includes zeks in being under suscipion. Obviously that could just be a mafia ploy, but it does help lend credibility to Misder.

In addition, Misder could be mafia too. Looking over his posts I found a few that are suscipious, but not neccesarily mafia like. Here we see his reasoning ORIGINALLY for voting Hyperbola, but of course I take this to mean a joking sort of vote. He does question Hyperbola but then later unvote him here.

A theory could be laid that Misder wanted to "start" the bandwagon on Hyperbola and than jump out. This could be possible, but I believe it is too early to call such a thing certain.
Even more theories(all speculative) could be laid out supporting him being mafia. For example, in
this post he begins to show how Foolishness's death could have been caused by his posts "accusing people." Misder could just be using this to help the mafia, or he could just be trying to help. Either way, uncertain. More questionable is what you point out that in that post he forgot to include Foolishness's vote for BC.
As of now, should we vote Misder? No. Should we keep an eye on him? Perhaps.

Personally I feel zeks is a better suspect. I've compiled a list of his posts and notes I can share, but as of now they're pretty sloppy and just my thoughts. I'll probably reveal it later.

Finally, as for BC? not sure yet. He's a mafia vet, therefore should be watched closely, but I'm not sure if there are close enough ties to tie him to mafia. Especially a 3 person maifa. Unless you have more posts by BC which could indicate him, I'm more likely to just suspect Zeks.

A note about Zeks: One of the reasons I suspect him is because he's fairly quiet. More so than probably 95% of people.*cough* Tricode *Cough*. Speak up zeks, I'll probably change my mind about you.

So yeah, those are just my thoughts. Just wanted you to know I have been thinking about that post.

In short: Interesting idea, but we need more evidence/posts. I feel like one of the things holding us back is that certain people aren't speaking that often. Does it make them mafia? Certainly not. Can it be indicative of a mafia? Certainly.

These thoughts are certainly not final, and I'm still in the process of analyzing and deciding.

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Misder responds
On July 23 2010 08:36 Misder wrote:
citi.zen's post
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On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote:
On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote:
Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks.


Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it?

Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold.

BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him:

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On July 21 2010 03:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. [nr: the rest of the quote does not paste well - go find it yourselves]


Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia.


Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here.

So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking).

That's my little conspiracy theory of the day!



my post
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On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote:
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On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote:
On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote:
Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks.


Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it?

Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold.

BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him:

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On July 21 2010 03:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. [nr: the rest of the quote does not paste well - go find it yourselves]


Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia.


Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here.

So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking).

That's my little conspiracy theory of the day!


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On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys, really?
Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy:

People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:

Brown Bear

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On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote:
Ahhhh shti!

I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill?

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On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote:
###Vote: Hyperbola

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On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote:
Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread.

Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread?

youngminii

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On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?

Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta.


You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue.

You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town).

SiNiquity

I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum

at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat).

Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you.

This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me.

LaXerCannon

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On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.

IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list).


We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed.

I'm getting carried away here...

I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action.

I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go.

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On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote:
##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>)

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On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen!

Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'.

##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain

I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no?


On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?

Oh hell no absolutely not.

I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.

No lynch is a terrible idea.

If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS.


Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town

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On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote:
playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours.

First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much.

-------------------------------------------------------
this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die

sorry about trying to have fun guys :/

j/k

~peace


I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus.
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blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation.
Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision...

My reason for lynching him was this
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As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor.

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On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote:
You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back.
Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often?
I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay?

and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched...


Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior.

The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that.

Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out.



citi.zen, you've only made one post against me (with actual content), and I have responded earlier. Just saying.

And if you really want to lynch me, you have tonight and day (mafia time) to present to the people before I can respond... (as I stated, I will not be able to get internet access tomorrow, and maybe even the day after tomorrow.)

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Votes for me before day starts
On July 23 2010 14:21 Misder wrote:
##Vote Double Lynch
##Vote Pyrrholuxia
For DTA

Since I can't defend myself later and no one is probably going to defend me, I'll just say that I'm pro-town. My only sugestion is look at my posts. They are the only things defending me right now.

Hopefully I will be able to get internet access sometime soon.

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BC says: "A list of 6 where 1-2 will most likely be red
Siniquity, Southrawrea, Pandain, subversion, misder, protactinium"
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Lakrismamma says:
"I think BC is being very suspicious in not not coming with any ideas except delaying the claims. I find it weird as well that he dident include Misder in his little investigation. Misder is one of the scummyest people in the game I think. For now though since we could not abstain too much according to BM."
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Siniquity says:
"I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it."
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BC says:
"As for why I haven't analyzed misder? So what? I opted to snag people I saw obviously coasting/acting scummy. You know, rather than fingering me for who I didn't analyze, maybe you should spend time analyzing said person. Hell if you think you believe they are scum, maybe you should give a reason why other than "I think"

Trying to put suspicion on me for who I didn't analyze is like saying "You contributed, but because your scum list and mine don't overlap 100% you must be red" instead of contributing yourself."
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Zeks posts:
"Double Lynch List (18/13):
Siniquity, BrownBear, Protactinium, zeks, ~OpZ~, rastaban, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, LaXerCannon, Pandain, lakrismamma, XeliN, citi.zen, youngminii, pyrrhuloxia, amber[light], Divinek

Who is missing? Tree.hugger, BC, SouthRawrea, Infundibulum, Misder, Tricode, Subversion"
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Tree.Hugger posts:
"
On July 26 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote:
also there's way too many people in this game that dont post enough that are probably mob, how annoying

d3, (citi.zen's favorite) Misder, XeliN (haha, never posts, never has to)
"
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Protractinium posts:
"And so we have it here. Mafia killed Subversion, and I had a PM from Pandain telling me that the "other Detective" was going to check Subversion tonight, but to "keep Subversion from thinking that, and to just play it cool and to have him check Misder/lakrismamma."
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Votes Pandain and SouthRawrea. Says we should lynch Zeks to see if BC is innocent or not. Says we should lynch Rastaban next.
On July 26 2010 16:51 Misder wrote:
##vote Double Lynch
##vote SouthRawrea
##vote Pandain


I'm back. And I read through the entire thread. It confused the heck out of me... my first mafia game wasn't this complicated. >.<
Here's my train of thought: SouthRawrea has been lying, and fake claiming. Easy enough. And when he is asked to post PMs, he retypes it. I think that he doesn't know what PM posting looks like, so in order to cover up his made up PMs, he says he retypes it.
Pandain has been lying in the PMs. To me, this suggests that he is mafia. Even when he is PMing, he doesn't follow the plans that are given. I don't know anything about PMing in a mafia game, but it seems to be all a mind game. And it seems like Pandain is confusing as many people as possible.
I don't feel like BC is mafia. If he is, we can prove it by lynching zeks. This is pretty flawed, but I just have a feeling (I could be completely wrong, in which...)
I also think that we should consider lynching rastaban. rastaban's dt is fake; we cannot confirm whether he is lying or that his dt is lying. We lynch rastaban to get this info.

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Pandain's top 4 suspects
On July 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote:
Top four list(in my opinion)
Imo we should look at these user's collection of posts first.
In no particular order
1.Misder
2.Pyrr
3.tree hugger
4.Opz

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Divinek suspicious of Misder
[QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:22 Divinek wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:16 youngminii wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 02 2010 07:57 Bill Murray wrote:
1. tree.hugger
2. brownbear
3. youngminii
4. chaoser
5. divinek
6. rastaban
7. Amber[LighT]
8. pandain
9. ~OpZ~
10. d3_crescentia
11. Misder
12. Pyrrholuxia
13. Tricode
14. protactinium

Out of this list, there are 4 people that I am absolutely sure are town aligned. That leaves 10 people left. By using this double lynch today, there's a 1/5 chance that we hit mafia. It is crucial that we hit at least 1 mafia today because that will lower their KP to 1. If we don't hit any scum today, then there will be 10 people left tomorrow with 3 Mafia and no double lynches. Miss two more times and it's lights out for town. So while it's not GG if we miss today, it doesn't bode well for us at all if they're allowed to keep using their 2 KP.

There's a good chance Pandain is mafia and so he's my leading suspect. I propose that we lynch chaoser since he's pretty much next on my list. I know I was wrong about Infundibulum but we don't really have anyone better to lynch (unless you can come up with one), and chaoser was one of Zeks's leading suspects too. Aaaaand with that:

##Vote Pandain
##Vote chaoser
[/QUOTE]


hm i like you're list this is my modified one taking myself out of course(and the practically and absolutely confirmed greens) but you dont have to believe that, ill have to try to painfully read some of chaosers actual content posts

1. tree.hugger
2. brownbear
4. chaoser
8. pandain
9. ~OpZ~
11. Misder
12. Pyrrholuxia
14. protactinium

so yeah that's solid odds, im still really suspicious of misder. He still hasnt been saying shit, i might almost think he's a better candidate than chaoser, almost time to read his posts[/QUOTE]
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Divinek and rastaban and I discuss Misder
[QUOTE]On July 29 2010 16:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.

I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.

Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.[/QUOTE]

please consider misder also!

though i think both of your above are very good options as well[/QUOTE]

Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.

[/QUOTE]
I guess I should take a look at misder; all I have thought about him so far this game is that he helped me get DTA lynched.[/QUOTE]
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Brown Bear votes Misder. First vote on Misder this game? I think so.
[QUOTE]On July 30 2010 01:39 BrownBear wrote:
In fact, you know what? I'm trusting Pandain on this one. He's given no reason for me to ever think he's mafia, and given that there are millers, I'm going to trust my gamesense over the DT check.

Plus, our secret friendship alliance is unbreakable :D

##UNVOTE: PANDAIN
##VOTE: MISDER
##KEEP VOTE ON DIVINEK


If he flips miller I shall be vindicated.[/QUOTE]
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Pandain has a new top 4 list. This one omits OPZ and adds Divinek.
[QUOTE]On July 30 2010 02:52 Pandain wrote:
Also, Opz your right. I was putting you on the list cause' of your general attitutude. But I was just saying we should look at these user's posts, not theyre neccesarily mafia.

New top 4 list
1.Misder
2.Divinek
3.Tree.hugger
4.Pyrr.

[/QUOTE]
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Pandain votes for Divinek and I. Divinek shoud be lynched first because somehow this will prove Misder's alignment?
[QUOTE]On July 30 2010 03:10 Pandain wrote:
Hmmm actually I think we shoud lynch divinek. When I'm miller, it will also become alot clearer. Look at the fact that he absolutely refused me to be able to defend myself AT ALL. Also, he accused Misder so if he's mafia I doubt he would accuse him this late in the game. OF course unless he's trying to build himself up for later game(to be trusted pro town.)

Plus if he's mafia you know for sure im innocent
Though I'm already majority lynched.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On July 30 2010 03:12 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Divinek
##Vote Pyrr


We lynch Divinek, we find out whether Misder's innocent or not. [/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 18:58 GMT
#3182
ugh formatting fail x2
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 19:20 GMT
#3184
Hmm. Pandain does seem opposed to Misder (i.e. not on the same team) even though Pandain did defend Misder earlier in the game. Mafia can't do any more bussing without losing. I still think we have to take out the checked red.

The interactions between Misder and BC make me the most suspicious. BC put Zeks and Misder on a list of two innocent. BC was making all sorts of lists which leads me to believe he was trying to hide mafia in lists although that blew up in his face. Additionally, Misder made a post recounting most of Foolishness's posts but left out Foolishness's vote against BC. Misder also tried to lynch Zeks to prove BC's innocence or guilt somehow, which seems awful.

I find it highly unlikely that both Pandain and Misder are mafia. Nevertheless, I find it highly likely that one of them is mafia. We only need one to basically win the game since mafia KP will go to 1.

##vote Misder
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 20:01 GMT
#3187
On July 30 2010 04:31 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Hi I'm mafia.


Frickin knew it.
##Unvote Divinek
##Vote Amber


On July 29 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
We should have our vets claim like Brownbear wanted lolol

Sorry guys fixing connection issues for the past 24 hours :/... not having fun.

Reading through the posts during the day now... will vote soon


Wouldn't BrownBear be more suspicious for suggesting it? Seems like Amber is just kidding around.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 29 2010 20:10 GMT
#3189
On July 30 2010 05:05 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2010 05:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On July 30 2010 04:31 Pandain wrote:
On July 29 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Hi I'm mafia.


Frickin knew it.
##Unvote Divinek
##Vote Amber


On July 29 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
We should have our vets claim like Brownbear wanted lolol

Sorry guys fixing connection issues for the past 24 hours :/... not having fun.

Reading through the posts during the day now... will vote soon


Wouldn't BrownBear be more suspicious for suggesting it? Seems like Amber is just kidding around.


lolol really? We kill 1 mafia today, it takes mafia 2 night hits to kill a vet. Makes them more or less invincible. Also, every confirmed townie we can get at this point raises our chances, especially big beefy ones that can soak hits.

Really, the idiocy of town this game...

We want the mafia to waste hits on veterans - this will give us more time to kill mafia. VETS - DO NOT CLAIM. If you are a lynch target, THEN you can claim or go through a mouth or find some way to save yourself.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 30 2010 01:54 GMT
#3213
Hmm out of the suspects, misder and rastaban both held off of voting for Pandain. Last time Misder said he would be without internet he was gone a long time so I suppose it could be legit. I still think there is a great case for him but it doesn't look like it's going to happen with Pandain's vote invalidated.

Tree.Hugger said he would get caught up but his only post since then was about the same as the post where he said he would get caught up. I know he has been creating live report threads so he has been busy with something. Of course, that something is on this site so you'd think he'd be here more but there is still time for him to come back and he posted only two pages ago. If you have other suspicions about him please recount them.

My vibe on Rastaban is nooby being played with by BC. BC saw that town was circling around the DTs and needed a counter claim and I know he always likes to fake claim through green mouths. Luckily town lynched BC first.

I still think Misder is our best bet, having defended BC and having been defended by BC. He doesn't have to be around to act in the night if someone else on the team is doing night actions. Even if his inactivity excuse is real, it still hurts town since he might not be around to vote. If you are lynching tree.hugger because he is gone, why aren't you lynching Misder, who has been scarce in the past and is promising to be scarcer in the future?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 30 2010 04:07 GMT
#3224
On July 30 2010 11:51 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2010 10:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm out of the suspects, misder and rastaban both held off of voting for Pandain. Last time Misder said he would be without internet he was gone a long time so I suppose it could be legit. I still think there is a great case for him but it doesn't look like it's going to happen with Pandain's vote invalidated.

Tree.Hugger said he would get caught up but his only post since then was about the same as the post where he said he would get caught up. I know he has been creating live report threads so he has been busy with something. Of course, that something is on this site so you'd think he'd be here more but there is still time for him to come back and he posted only two pages ago. If you have other suspicions about him please recount them.

My vibe on Rastaban is nooby being played with by BC. BC saw that town was circling around the DTs and needed a counter claim and I know he always likes to fake claim through green mouths. Luckily town lynched BC first.

I still think Misder is our best bet, having defended BC and having been defended by BC. He doesn't have to be around to act in the night if someone else on the team is doing night actions. Even if his inactivity excuse is real, it still hurts town since he might not be around to vote. If you are lynching tree.hugger because he is gone, why aren't you lynching Misder, who has been scarce in the past and is promising to be scarcer in the future?

Is this one of them Mutual Chainsaw Defense (TM) things? I remember this being a really easy trap to fall into when playing as mafia even if you are aware of it.

I dunno if BC attacked someone for suspecting Misder; it was more like he got pissed off at someone for suspecting BC because BC wasn't suspecting Misder...
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 30 2010 04:08 GMT
#3225
The "he" in the previous post is BC.
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