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On July 24 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +BM, I was wondering if you could clarify the majority part?
The OP lists "48 hour days, 24 hour nights", I didn't see anything about majority and since it can be anti-town it would be nice to have the extra time.
Thanks, if someone hits majority they're dead and the day ends and goes to twilight if it ends in an hour, will twilight last 47? no. If it ends in 1 hour, will twilight last 1 minute? no. I would definitely give a reasonable amount of time as to not make it unfair for the town, but what you're asking me to do is essentially "baby" people who don't know not to reach majority before they've discussed shit.
Sorry, I don't understand, what does "hit majority" mean?
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On July 24 2010 04:59 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 04:40 chaoser wrote:It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed. I just realized, if they both really were mafia, wouldn't Tricode WANT to claim he hit Jayme or Roffles? That leads us to the assumption that BC got hit by mafia-->he is to be trusted. In this way, they can both lie and get away with it and gain an advantage? If Tricode claimed to hit Jayme or Roffles, then we'd first have to verify Tricode before BC could be verified. If Tricode really is Mafia, then claiming to hit BC is smart because we gain nothing by lynch-verifying him under the pretense that he's not Mafia. In short, claiming to not hit BC but rather Roffles or Jayme gives us an incentive to lynch him, because we gain something from his death (BC's innocence).
mm, ok this is true too. damn this is getting complicated...either way, i think two mafia both lying is sub-optimal play from mafia and 1 lying mafia is just bad play. This doesn't mean they're 100% confirmed but I think at least they get a little bit of trust
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Here's the diagram I drew up of all possible ways everything could be:
![[image loading]](http://i26.tinypic.com/8wcc34.png)
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Actually, wait the bottom two right ones are wrong, sorry, let me rethink those
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I also forgot about if someone was GF
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going to be gone till about 12 EST tonight. Feels good to have it mostly figured out and with good logic too.
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BC is not saying that you're scum or suspicious citi.zen -_-, I just think he's advocating that we be 100% certain and plan this all out, look at it from all angles before we commit. Right after you posted your blue-claim, tons of people were straight up going "lawl, we win, gg, mafia is screwed." A lot of people were pushing for your plan. But look back 3 pages before you. The town spent a good two/three pages discussing the BC/Tricode situation. It was all logical and no one jumped at each other's throats. Even when people made mistakes in logic, other's just pointed it out and it was corrected. It wasn't misrepresented in any way, and everyone basically worked together to figure it all out. Diagrams were drawn (tooting my own horn), logical explanations and counter explanations were made and in the end we got a very good idea of what happened. Now, after your claim, town's gone to mayhem. I think BC is suggesting a calm look at the situation ala his situation and for everyone to slow down a notch.
##Vote: southrawrea
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On July 25 2010 00:44 citi.zen wrote:
BC is plainly not making sense. He is red. Stop trying to distract.
BC is not saying that you're scum or suspicious citi.zen -_-, I just think he's advocating that we be 100% certain and plan this all out, look at it from all angles before we commit. Right after you posted your blue-claim, tons of people were straight up going "lawl, we win, gg, mafia is screwed." A lot of people were pushing for your plan. But look back 3 pages before you. The town spent a good two/three pages discussing the BC/Tricode situation. It was all logical and no one jumped at each other's throats. Even when people made mistakes in logic, other's just pointed it out and it was corrected. It wasn't misrepresented in any way, and everyone basically worked together to figure it all out. Diagrams were drawn (tooting my own horn), logical explanations and counter explanations were made and in the end we got a very good idea of what happened. Now, after your claim, town's gone to mayhem. I think BC is suggesting a calm look at the situation ala his situation and for everyone to slow down a notch.
##Vote: southrawrea
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On July 25 2010 02:12 Subversion wrote:
chaoser why do all your posts look like quotes?
just to avoid modkill threats, ill do this for now.
##vote: abstain
Really? Post some for me please. I'm sure I can find more posts by me that aren't "quotes".
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On July 25 2010 02:19 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 02:16 chaoser wrote:On July 25 2010 02:12 Subversion wrote:
chaoser why do all your posts look like quotes?
just to avoid modkill threats, ill do this for now.
##vote: abstain Really? Post some for me please. I'm sure I can find more posts by me that aren't "quotes". This is a quote.
-_-;; wait lol, so by quote you mean any post that has a quote in it even if I'm adding new information? that's like everyone...
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If it is one or two lines, I'm answering a simple question people have about the game, or I'm asking for clarification of what someone said. Else, I've been either making lists of voting trends, I made a case against Subversion, and I was deeply involved in figuring out the BC/Tricode situation. Look two/three posts back from here and you'll see I wrote to citi.zen about how we should handle the situation calmly instead of jumping at each others throats. I also made a diagram =p.
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Well there we go, we got a counter claim...from southrawrea
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btw, notice how lucky it is that he's the one with the most votes on and he's the one that's counterclaiming. He said he put a bomb on me. I'm willing to die for his lynch.
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On July 25 2010 04:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Well the excrement has hit the air conditioning.
I need to think about this.
I'm actually not sure if the correct play is to lynch South here.
If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility.
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immediately* wow, can't spell
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On July 25 2010 05:24 SouthRawrea wrote:
Look..I've been busy for the past few days anyways. Do you want me to go take a picture of everything that I've been doing in the backyard in the pouring rain? Just one yes is all I need. This is my first time ever playing a forum mafia game and I'm not used to this way of posting extremely long posts and having every single word scrutinized. The few times I've played the game people would say their reports, and chat in a chatbox. Not to mention this is filled with much more text. I've never even encountered the Mad Hatter role. If you look at the game EpicMafia, although they have like 50 roles, they don't have a single one that I know of that resembles the one in this game. I figured that it was a town-favoured role that was only supposed to be used later in the game when you had a higher chance of hitting the mafia with your bombs. Hence why I only placed one on the person I was most suspicious of at the time. What we could be doing here is giving citi.zen all the info he needs if he is mafia to win the game for that side. DT claims especially.
We're not saying he's 100% confirmed and that everyone, blue included, should run to him roleclaiming, we're saying you gotta die. I'm fine with dying with you and if you really were town, you wouldn't mind dying. Both of you claimed bomber. There can only be 1 bomber since Tricode said he was vigi. Unless he's lying and both of you are bombers but that means BC is lying too about being hit. Someone HAS to die, either you or citi.zen cause you both claimed. We can get lots of information depending on how you flip. I'd rather you die cause if you ARE red, there's lots of info that would come out of it. If you aren't info still comes out but the better thing is that only TWO people will die, me and you. Citi.zen said he placed both his bombs. That's 3 dead. Let's go to heaven together if you're townie baby.
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btw, if you ARE bomber SouthRawrea, I'm going to be sad cause I had to die cause of bad play from a blue ;_;
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On July 25 2010 05:46 youngminii wrote:For the record, I'd just like to point out the following. This is assuming SouthRawr flips red. Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote:
So far I've been trying to slip under the radar so I don't get lynched early on or killed at night. I've actually only placed one bomb thus far as I was a little hesitant to kill place two people at risk even if I suspect them. My only one at the moment is on chaoser but that was placed yesterday after seeing that he didn't get lynched. I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/
## Vote Citizen for now SouthRawr false claims. He is under heavy scrutiny and has barely participated in the game and the scum team knows his usefulness is running out. They make one last attempt to make use of him by agreeing for him to counter claim citi.zen. They also make him say that he placed a bomb no chaoser to try and 'remove' any suspicion on him. Chaoser now goes into a state of bussing as he tries to make the most of the situation. If SouthRawr gets lynched, chaoser will come out looking innocent, if he doesn't get lynched, chaoser's rep remains the same. Show nested quote +If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility. Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:31 chaoser wrote:On July 25 2010 05:24 SouthRawrea wrote:
Look..I've been busy for the past few days anyways. Do you want me to go take a picture of everything that I've been doing in the backyard in the pouring rain? Just one yes is all I need. This is my first time ever playing a forum mafia game and I'm not used to this way of posting extremely long posts and having every single word scrutinized. The few times I've played the game people would say their reports, and chat in a chatbox. Not to mention this is filled with much more text. I've never even encountered the Mad Hatter role. If you look at the game EpicMafia, although they have like 50 roles, they don't have a single one that I know of that resembles the one in this game. I figured that it was a town-favoured role that was only supposed to be used later in the game when you had a higher chance of hitting the mafia with your bombs. Hence why I only placed one on the person I was most suspicious of at the time. What we could be doing here is giving citi.zen all the info he needs if he is mafia to win the game for that side. DT claims especially. We're not saying he's 100% confirmed and that everyone, blue included, should run to him roleclaiming, we're saying you gotta die. I'm fine with dying with you and if you really were town, you wouldn't mind dying. Both of you claimed bomber. There can only be 1 bomber since Tricode said he was vigi. Unless he's lying and both of you are bombers but that means BC is lying too about being hit. Someone HAS to die, either you or citi.zen cause you both claimed. We can get lots of information depending on how you flip. I'd rather you die cause if you ARE red, there's lots of info that would come out of it. If you aren't info still comes out but the better thing is that only TWO people will die, me and you. Citi.zen said he placed both his bombs. That's 3 dead. Let's go to heaven together if you're townie baby. Look at this play: By saying "I'm willing to die with you to confirm citi.zen's bomber claim" he can look 'innocent'. He KNOWS that citi.zen's claim is real and so he puts on this charade to make the most of this situation. This is all assuming SouthRawr is red. What else can we learn from this? I'm only focusing on chaoser's posts in regard to SouthRawr's claim, there's heaps more information that can be analysed. Also, this tells us that the mafia team isn't very organised. A truly organised (pro) mafia team wouldn't do this type of play. It sticks out like a sore thumb and has lots of risks involved. Assuming SouthRawr flips red we can safely assume that there may only be one or no 'pro' players in the mafia team. So I implore you, vote SouthRawr as it will give us the most information, more so than lynching citi.zen. I also implore you to double lynch as it will be the most beneficial after this shitstorm. ##Vote Double Lynch
Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said people please trust me if he flips red. I never even bring it up, I'm merely saying that I'm fine with dying with him and he should be too because it helps town.
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