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Pyrrhuloxia
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##vote Double Lynch On thing people seem to assume is that if a DT mouth comes up red, the supposed DT is also red and we get two reds. The DT could just as easily be blue. The DTs have had NO WAY to confirm anyone at this point (as far as I can work out), so if they have a mouth, it's probably because they talked to someone they shouldn't have. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Seems like some blues have been claiming to people that aren't confirmed. Don't do this next game, please. 1. You can get killed. 2. You can get used. 3. You can tell someone innocent but they leak to a red. And then you get killed and we lynch the innocent. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 07:18 lakrismamma wrote: ¨ Citi.zen was cleared if no other claimed mad hatter. If he is clear then his DT should be clear if it is as he says? Now the situation is different. Misder was more of an observation. Im not so sure you are mafia now. Since I get to choose between citi.zen and Southrawrea south is far more likely and that would prove you right, Will you believe in citi.zen if South turns out red? Sure play the newbie card. What you really is trying to do here is make citi tell where he has his bombs right? WTF!! This is so mafia why should he tell where he placed his bombs. Only mafia has the need to know if the bombs are placed on them or not. You practicly told us you are mafia. ##unvote ##vote southrawrea Well if we are determining who to lynch it makes sense to talk about bombs. citizen has already claimed hatter so he's not gonna last too much longer red or blue. Whoever survives the lynch is gonna get killed and if a blue has a bomb on them they will need to get shit in order (DT finding a mouth to pass on their findings). Also, if we lynch a hatter and he turns red, we can discuss what to do with the bombs before they get killed (moving bomb off an innocent, moving one onto a red, etc.). The real hatter is probably not gonna survive the night UNLESS they announce bomb placements AND those are on reds. Reds will just take the risk on killing the hatter if they don't know. Mafia can't really do anything with the information except get scared shitless and leave a soon-to-be-confirmed blue alive if the bombs are on their own. Town can try to make things better if we know where bombs are. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:15 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: You know on the other hand, if citizen is red this play doesn't make a lot of sense either, I mean mafia are at an advantage and a gambit like this is really risky and i'm not sure why he would do that instead of just playing it safe. Ugh, this is confusing. There could be quite a few reasons to do it: Smoke out the hatter, plus ask for DTs before counterclaim can happen. It's also hard to see how much mafia is in an advantage. I'd agree with that but we can't really tell if all our suspects remaining are red. Also, multiple claims were sorta inevitable so its sort of a question of do you believe who came first or second. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thing is your wrong. Citizen being lynched reveals us A) he is hatter b) he is gf c) he is suicide bomber d)he is townie playing huge gambit e) he is dt (would be bad and he would have to claim this to save himself, although by lying once he could be doing it twice) Now, if he is hatter, he dies kills two people (we get info based on who died remember), we get info based on those heavily accusing him, we get a confirmed dt (the one that checked him has checked someone else remember) his dt can then check the other dt confirming him and the circle is formed regardless and we get a ton of info. We lynch southrawr A) is mafia trying to save himself B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser C) he flips green and we all go wtf If he dies, we find out hes either a red trying to save himself or that hes a hatter with a bomb on someone you have been pressuring to kill all game. Regardless of his death, all we know is he was inactive till being called out. we get no info on really anyone else in this game. You just want to get chaoser killed and are pushing this. This is pretty persuasive to me. Southrawrea has not come up linked to anyone for me in any kind of a "circle" while citizen has even admittedly been acting in a more concerted way with others. SR account of how he used the bombs seems pretty logical to me, and if he's red there's gotta be all sorts of complicated bussing and not-bussing going on which would probably be impossible to tease out. Citizen gives way more info and youngminii's reply to this same post gives no warrants otherwise, just his usual angst. Seems like citizen might be lying low to give no more info. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 07:40 SiNiquity wrote: I bet Tricode and BC are cackling maniacally at their good fortune. Kill a medic, claim 3rd hit + protection (both unverifiable), draw out the other 2 KP roles. Let them kill each other. Bonus is that they're both hatters instead of vigilantes. So much for 50/50. HOLY SHIT. I did not think of that. That is totally something BC would organize and for some reason I overlooked it. Tricode actually sticks out more to me but for some reason I haven't even been thinking about him since I figured 1 vigi 1 hatter made sense. Hmm... we're gonna have to think this through a lot more. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:50 zeks wrote: I would think Tricode's story is the most believable. Is that just because he posted first? It didn't make sense for BC to be hit by a vigi at that time, maybe tricode and bc got the idea from their history together and spun it from there. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:54 tree.hugger wrote: I think we gain plenty of information about this, seeing as how we have a 50% chance at catching mafia, and this is a split vote. Role list analyzing is going to be cake after today. I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one. But more importantly, pick citi.zen. There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then it's the coup de grâce. We've taken out their best player, and we have two confirmed town members to form a circle around. If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then we still have an intact town circle with a DT and a person who was checked. Also, citi.zen's bombs go off, and two people die. It's not unreasonable to assume that citi.zen, being an experienced mafia player and scum-hunter will have caught at least one mafia in his net. I'd trust his bomb placement, providing he has them. If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we've taken out the newest, or one of the newest members of the mafia team. That's about it. If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies—another player who is newer, and not really driving any buses. I know youngminii thinks he's mafia, but I think that's just silly. Decide for yourself, but I'd trust citi.zen's judgment in bomb placing over Southrawrea. *** I think out of these four options, assuming for a moment that the probability of either being mafia is 50/50, then the obvious better outcomes will come from lynching citi.zen. I hardly think there's anything to recommend Southrawrea as a natural mafia, or even a natural mafia selection to go out and try to sabotage this plan. On the flip side, pretty much the only player on TL who I would expect to pull something as crazy as a MH/town circle claim as mafia is citi.zen. I think, if we're talking character types, citi.zen fits, and Southrawrea does not. I'm going to ## vote citi.zen because it gives us the most info but let's not forget that tricode / bc could be in cahoots. That does seem... kinda outlandish but BC could be one to pull something like that off. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote: Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal. I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming. Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that. That's wifom, if citi.zen is red he would have said there were three claims and not said who, so that there was a reason to keep him around to figure out who to go after. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 08:14 citi.zen wrote: Town, if you really think I am red and out of the blue decided to fake claim in a game where nobody had put any pressure on me, you deserve to lose. I am out with the family for the evening. If you find that scummy on a Saturday I am speechless. Make the right call and this is over. The reds risked everything today: try to go after my credibility, try to question a solid plan on unfounded grounds, fake-claim right when a majority of players had correctly concluded I was telling the tuyth, try to get me lynched "to reveal information" (really to stop me from linking the two circles tonight). Just read the thread to see who did this - it's transparent as hell. Would have nice for you to answer some of these things about the DT pms and bomb locations. I guess if I can operate on a cow you can go with your fam, though. Cow is still alive today if anyone cares. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote: guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD. Yeah he says that he's leaving, knowing he could be dead by the time he gets back, and doesn't mention that? Aside: Aren't you glad we killed DTA? If he was still alive, we had a vigi claim, we had two mad hatters claim, AND we had all of DTA's wink and nod posts about mad hattering this would be so much worse. That's why you don't dink around as town. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote: The confirmed dt knows of all the claims. I will not reveal their names publicly at this point - it would condemn the real one. It also has no bearing on what you guys need to do: lynch south so you get a 1pp% confirmed red. One way or another. And this DT is confirmed how? Because he checked you and got Hatter and claimed to you? Because that doesn't matter when you are a prime GF candidate. And lynching south doesn't get a confirmed red because if he's innocent we still have to sort out between you and tricode and if red it seems like a dead end. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 25 2010 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If your here long enough to post a comment like that, please go back and talk about issues pointed at you, stop random picking. You got called out on a scum move, defend yourself, stop avoiding it. Saying "i passed all info onto my dt" isn't a defense when your suspected scum, as all it implies is you handed the info to your team. well the dt could either be totally fake or real if he is red. if you are gonna try to get info as a red you have to come up with 3 people claiming to the 2 spots so that you can be in charge of figuring things out; if you don't say there are fake claims, then everyone is confirmed and you'd have to pass on the info you got to townies (you couldn't fake this info since it townies could cross check to see if it matches what they claimed and to see if citi.zen sent the same thing to everyone. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 08:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: What exactly are the chances that a mafia member can guess someone is a mad hatter so easily anyway? That's pretty random imo Were citi.zen's tells that simple to the mafia? ? I don't think it is likely that citizen is blue and his dt is mafia, if that's what you are suggesting. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 25 2010 08:44 tree.hugger wrote: DTA is a good enough player to know that he would've had to claim or non-claim in that situation. Lynching DTA was a poor mistake. But if he makes a big deal out of non-claiming he can look like a red that was trying to scare away votes. | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow I missed Citizens vanilla claim the fuck Dude if we go two days in a row arguing about someone town thinks is blue or red when they are really green fake claiming / hinting... poor form. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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? I'm not saying your bad. As red its a good move. But as green i think not lying, not hinting I'm blue, lynching all liars is solid play. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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Being Townie 101 1. Do not lie to town. 1a. Do not pretend to be blue. Being Blue 101 1. Do not lie to town. 2. Do not give your blue role to someone who isn't fully confirmed, especially not in the first couple of days. We've had so much trouble over the past 3 days because of the refusal of good players to stick to the fundamentals. Some people want to be flashy, they wanna be a hero, they are impatient, etc. The key to town is to act as a crowd, to not stick out. That way, the mafia sticks out and gets caught. When town members get these bright ideas about goofing around to draw out reds they just end up sticking out themselves. | ||
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