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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2010 20:05 GMT
#879
On July 22 2010 04:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Going through this thread since I got home from work last night and began to filter through the vote info day 1, but more importantly, who seemed to push for random bandwagons. What is more surprising is that these bandwagons formed AFTER they had solidly defended themselves (hyper/young). Yet even with a defense, people were “unconvinced” of their innocence.

The youngminii vote list is odd, after two defense posts and solid ones for day 1 at that, he still garnered people vote for him

Infundi started the vote train with
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On July 18 2010 20:52 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I'm going out for the rest of the day and i dunno if i'll be back in time for the deadline. I'm gonna put my vote on youngminii, just in case anything happens in that direction. Otherwise i hope you guys are smart enough not to screw things up while i'm gone :p

#vote youngminii


It’s a “placeholder” vote. He then argues with young and refuses to vote swap.

Xelin posts a reason to vote for young very quickly after,

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On July 18 2010 23:49 XeliN wrote:
Actually scrap that, I've just gone over your posts individually Youngminii and your coming across so scummy to me. You argue everyone to abstain on the first day, or vote for someone that is going to be killed anyway. That directly helps mafia, and further reduces any information that we could have going into Day 2, you've also tried to directly influence what any blues in the game do on the first day and instead of addressing the points infundulum makes against you, you flip reverse it and accuse him of being Red.

Remove vote Vote youngminii


He is gut shotting, not a very solid way to do it day 1.

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On July 19 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D


This post intrigues me, a lot. HE is blind trusting someone to follow for voting, which makes the third vote of a bandwagon that formed in the last 17 hours of the day, all 3 voting with in a page of eachother. Super odd to be formed a) so late and b) with next to no real debate.

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On July 19 2010 02:07 Roffles wrote:
OpZ just has that sort of playstyle. Comes in, makes a couple accusations, then starts some shit. At least it demonstrates he's here.

Gonna unabstain now that I've read the thread.

##Unvote: Abstain
##Vote: youngminii


Not voting simply lets scum get off a free shot. Don't see the real reasoning behind not voting. Shit, I'd rather RNG someone than let em off the hook for Day 1. Anyways, I'd refrain from voting for someone who hasn't posted yet. Chances are they'll be modkilled within the next couple of days anyways. Why waste a lynch on someone who's gonna die later on?



Odd vote choice as he has read the thread, comments little for his vote, but goes onto say how he would prefer to have the days lynch go, seems fair enough of a reason to avoid a no lynch.

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On July 19 2010 07:53 Jayme wrote:
The whole mini Hyperbola bandwagon was rather funny. He comes in and says a few lines and then 3 people just jump on him like a pack of wild dogs.

Initially this bandwagon looked rather harmless but now he's got 7 votes on him and unless a miracle happens it looks like he's being lynched.

That being said anybody who advocates no lynch as much as Youngminii has is crazy sketchy while at the same time ignoring why people have said it's a terrible thing to do. In the end it's rarely the blues that actually win you the game and it's a few good analytical townies that save the day. If a sudden bandwagon comes up and all of a sudden a detective gets killed you have yourself at the very least a strong suspect list.

SO yea

##Unvote
##Vote: Youngminii


Even if you're townie your discussion sidetracked us like crazy.



Of all the votes for young, this one strikes me as the most reasonable, as it is voting based on things he has said, and things he disagrees with and is voting for it. Now, that that is done, lets go see what day 2 looks like for these 5.

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On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.


This vote is a completely different style, levels out with what he said the day before of not having time, here he obviously did as it’s a moderately informed vote. HOWEVER he later does this

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On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion


Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.


Here shows that rather than being certain of his choices, he going bandwagon to bandwagon. Subversion has had far to many people jump on him for being a bad player when the kid is new. And now another player, who should know better based on experience, is jumping at him. Seriously fishy imo. Very little activity overall and hoping onto bandwagons is all hes really doing.

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On July 21 2010 20:25 XeliN wrote:
I'm personally not convinced about Brownbear whatsoever, his suggestions and arguments may be poor but he has not acted in a way I would expect a mafia too, his reaction to peoples accusations is far more fitting with how townies respond (although this is WiFOM, but I'm going to go with the assumption that Brown would not attempt to defend himself in a manner he hoped to portray as a green reaction if he were mafia)

Out of the two candidates my inclination is for either Darth or Chaoser, the arguments against Subversion have seemed quite astute but quite frankly the actions of Darth and Chaoser so far concern me more, Darth from my past experience is extremely logical, helpful and influential. He has been none of these things this game and in the past I have only seen him in a town role. This shift in character//style would be the main reason I suspect Darth.

Chaoser has been exceptionally inconsistent so far, Pandain has outlined most of my reasoning quite well on page 39, but to surmise his arguing against "no-lynching" in order to criticise a player then abstaining, using the argument "these two players are more suspicious//more evidence against them than me". This line of argument is almost laughable and reminds me of the playground type reaction "Hey don't pick on me... look at that kid... he can't even play football and he's ugly as hell".

##Vote DarthThienAn

Out of Chaoser and Darth I would consider the latter more dangerous in a mafia role so I'll place it there.


Going into description of who he thinks should be lynched based off two major candiates. Although DTA is a more recent bandwagon (well revival of one)


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On July 21 2010 08:20 Jayme wrote:
On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote:
Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that.

Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left.

##vote Subversion


I personally understand the brownbear vote because I was thinking about doing the same thing.

Subversion's strange comments have been well...strange and I'm really itching to vote for him because his foot in mouth syndrome could get us in trouble later in the game when saying something stupid can have catastrophic consequences.

That being said

##Vote:Subversion


This vote worries me. He starts by saying “I was going to vote for x” then immediately swaps his opinion to someone who has made a few minor slip ups (possible newb?) but votes out of fear of him saying something he shouldn’t. Odd reason to kill someone now, sounds like a pm land reason, although I have no way to prove that.

To my knowledge, Infundi has just voted for double lynch today, and Roffles still hasn’t voted.


Now looking at this, I see a few really oddly done votes, and it continues today.

Amber seems to vote for whichever wagon at the time is attracting the most people, hopping onto Youngminii near its beginning, then proceeding to jump on BB when it was in its prime, now hes hopped over to subversion. This is insanely odd to me.

Next we have jayme, doing very similar things, hopping onto popular wagon without really contributing much to the game other than hopping onto the wagon with a simple reason of why he joined it. His reason day 1 was sound, his reason right now not so much.

I would also say as a minor link that potentially means nothing at this point, but both amber and jayme have voted together twice now (provided this vote stays final).



NOW, lets talk about the last days playing. WHAT THE HELL GUYS. I am gone for a day, and seriously return to you all attacking well everyone

Youngminii vs chaoser
pandain vs chaoser
Chaoser vs young/pandain
everyone and their puppy vs subversion
Shit jumping randomly out to attack dta
people still discussing the crap of BB rather than just ignoring him based on stupidity.
Lakrismamma attempting to start a fight with roffles based on inactivity (pot calling the kettle black?)


The amount of just literally piles of crap to weed through is agonizingly annoying to read. ALL of responsible for this all should take a step bad and really see what you are doing. Because of all this nonsense there is really next to no real candidate for a lynch, instead its a bunch of minor bandwagons people can fan/hide in. If the group of you mainly responsible for this is town, shame on you guys, you should know better. Start reading what people are saying, not just arguing a gut shot.

As its too damn late to try and coordinate on who to vote on, I AM choosing amber for having two days worth of sketchy voting habits + bandwagon hopping.

##vote amber[light]



This man raises a good point. I also like this amberlight accusation as it sounds solid and very reasonable, unlike this silly DTA one. However, I'm going to stick to my chaoser vote unless amberlight and DTA are on the same vote count or something, which in that case I'd change my vote to amberlight.

Also, how many hours 'til twilight?
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2010 21:13 GMT
#903
You don't base a plan off the % chance it will work and % chance it won't. You're pretty much saying "oh hey if this and that happens then the plan will work but in the case of that or this happening the plan will fail and we'll lose".

A good plan will not send the town into a worse off situation if one of it's 'requirements' aren't met.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2010 21:41 GMT
#915
On July 22 2010 06:34 Pandain wrote:
Finally, I have been exchanging PM's from mroe expierenced players and they have laid out their arguments fantastically. I am inclined to believe them. You, of all people, should know how hard Mafia is, and I can't just stick to one person because I voted them first. If people offer sufficient evidence, I change my mind. I always have.

I understand that PMing is a powerful tool but just because someone tells you they're not scum through PM doesn't mean they're telling you the truth. At the start of this game you PM'd me basically asking me if I was scum and I pretty much said 'no'. You completely believed me without any hesitation.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2010 21:57 GMT
#926
So I'd rather chaoser get lynched rather than DTA. Come on people, only a few hours left!
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2010 21:59 GMT
#928
I don't even see the point of arguing with you pyrr, and no shit I'm worried it'll make me look bad if he flips red.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 00:12 GMT
#1011
On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:]
If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat.

I lol'd.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 00:44 GMT
#1023
On July 22 2010 09:41 tree.hugger wrote:
Well, I'll pick this up again on Friday, presuming I'm not dead, so I can vote again for Subversion after whoever the hell it is we're lynching today flips green.

gg. citi.zen, you win this round.

One final note:
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On July 22 2010 09:12 youngminii wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:]
If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat.

I lol'd.

You doubt that you're joined at the hip with Subversion?

I don't doubt that you've been spreading misinformation via PMs, that's what I know.

You're also mistaken when you say people haven't defended DTA, I mounted one a few pages back although if it was a tossup between DTA and Subversion I'd save Subversion.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 01:59 GMT
#1098
Myeeeeh the fact that he pulled out the noob card is kind of odd, you don't see many noobs say "hey I'm a noob so you should forgive me" and I've always held a policy of ignoring the noob card. However, from experiences from other sites, whenever I do end up lynching a noob that pulled out the noob card they always turn out to be town.

I dunno, subversion's post seems odd to me but I'm not going to change my vote.

Also:

youngminii was a newb too, he rocked pretty hard in my game.

<3
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:00 GMT
#1100
^ This is talking about Subversion btw.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:02 GMT
#1104
God damnit why'd you get in the way of my ^ post.

WIFOM = Wine In Front Of Me. It refers to circular logic and a terrible way to think in a mafia game.

The term stems from this scenario:

A princess(?) is given two glasses of wine. One of the glasses is filled with poison and the other is not. She is forced to drink one. "I should drink the Wine In Front Of Me because it's closer to me. Wait, maybe the guy knew that and so he put the poison in the Wine In Front Of Me, so I'll drink the other glass. But what if he knew I'd think like that? Then maybe I should......"
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:03 GMT
#1108
On July 22 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote:
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On July 22 2010 10:58 Subversion wrote:
DTA, if I'm honest, I don't like any of this voting.

If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you.

But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen.

Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice.

I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post.

Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch.


yes, WE SHOULD VOTE FUCKING AMBER, if any of you dudes would be man enough to switch.

this is of course going to be hard to do cuz 3 of the votes are people trying to save their lives, but it'd only take all of them moving plus what 1 or 2 more?

if you really do want to hit a red vote amber, but between the 3 right now i am so unsure

I think we should focus on amber tomorrow maybe, today seems more like a tossup between Subversion and Chaoser and DTA.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:04 GMT
#1111
On July 22 2010 11:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On July 22 2010 10:07 DarthThienAn wrote:
Opz, you should vote for Subversion.

You know that post of Tree.Hugger's you linked on page 54 (the one where he says his reasons for saying to go for subversion...I addressed that.)

So please stop claiming to gain more from subversion. Tree.Hugger, please post all reputations on the line for Darth and Subversion. Thanks in advance (though I don't suspect it will happen, AND if by some means it does, I'm sure it will be wrong)

So what happens if DTA and Subversion are both town, does that mean I'm like 100% confirmed townie?
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:06 GMT
#1114
+ Show Spoiler +
Just finished Scott Pilgrim's Finest Hour, oh God I feel so good having finished the Scott Pilgrim series


I'm just itching to see what chaoser flips.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:10 GMT
#1121
On July 22 2010 11:09 Subversion wrote:
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On July 22 2010 11:08 SouthRawrea wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:00 Subversion wrote:
Also, I don't know what wifom means


WIFOM= Wine in front of me

Not sure how to explain it but it basically is the situation where you're thinking this could be a green or a blue hiding himself as a green to not get killed or a green hiding himself as a blue hiding himself as a green to protect the blues or a blue hiding himself as a green as a blue as a green.. etc


lolz, worlds most confusing paragraph xD

But it's a great example of what WIFOM does to people
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:15 GMT
#1128
On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:


THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.

Holy shit I totally remember watching that on TV when I was a kid.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:20 GMT
#1137
On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related

THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.

Hey I just remembered, he cheats in that. He put poison in both glasses because he's trained himself to be immune to that specific type of poison.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:23 GMT
#1141
On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.

I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too.

I do think Tree.Hugger is quite town aligned. Early I learnt that Tree.Hugger had PM'd people saying 'if we lynch subversion and he flips red, then we have youngminii'. I pointed out that if Tree.Hugger was scum and subversion flipped green, then I'd be 'safe'. There's no logical reason why Tree.Hugger would tie me to subversion if subversion is town and Tree.Hugger is scum.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:25 GMT
#1144
I am willing to put my reputation on the line for Tree.Hugger too.

Right now this means I've defended Tree.Hugger, Subversion and DTA. I'm quite confident that Tree.Hugger and Subversion are town whereas in DTA's case, I think it's likely that he's town although he could be playing sneakily and toying with me (unlikely)
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:28 GMT
#1146
Totally sticking to chaoser.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:38 GMT
#1153
It is not scum like to put my reputation linked to Subversion's flip.
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