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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 21 2010 12:20 GMT
#840
Wooaaah... that was a long analysis! Holy shit lol. Really good though :O

I liked most of it except the continued suspicion on me You didn't really make any mention of my numerous posts in my defense? Did you read them, or did you just kinda think they were BS?

Anyway, you've definitely swayed me towards Darth. Gonna vote for him so long, and change the vote should someone else seem like a better target.

##Vote DarthThienAn
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 21 2010 12:24 GMT
#841
Oh BM, just btw, you've got Pyrrhuloxia in the sections for potential modkill and voting DTA
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 21 2010 23:57 GMT
#1002
On July 22 2010 05:33 Roffles wrote:
Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left.

There, you outlined it yourself. You acknowledge that his little mafia mistake is just weird, yet you still cast your vote for him. It isn't something that Mafia is stupid enough to slip up on, yet you're fueling the bandwagon even though you acknowledge that it's weird and unusual, not necessarily harmful in all.


It wasn't actually part of the voting block. It was hours after the voting block that was discussed.

I can't believe people still want to vote for me over one stupid remark tbh. The only information you gain by lynching me is "oh, yeah, guess everyone was right, he was just being noob".

Despite so much more detailed and clever analysis on other players, people still want to vote for me?

There seems to be much better things to go on.

The reason I didn't vote for chaoser was because of his "test". He said he's going to "test something that may bite him in the ass or may work" and his test was voting for me. While I didn't know wtf he was on about, the whole idea of this test and the general lameness of the post, while sounding stupid, at the same time sounded sincere to me. I don't think he's scum, but I may be naive in that belief.

Although, I think its time he tells all of us wtf that little "test" was supposed to be about?
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 00:07 GMT
#1006
oh ffs people.

if you really want me dead so fucking badly just wait a night.

i was already informed by pm that saying that thing about roleclaim was stupid because now the mafia is going to kill my ass. so if you really want a ton of information, u'll get it when I FUCKING DIE.

I can't believe all this shit is over one stupid comment. People have posted pages of post analysis, and you're still hung up over that.

And I've defended my day 1 vote till I'm blue in the face. You really make me think you haven't even read it.

And Pandain, I thought our PM love was true. </3
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 00:12 GMT
#1010
On July 22 2010 09:10 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 09:07 Subversion wrote:
blue in the face


i see what you did there


hahahahahahaha. man, that would have been awesome if it was intentional.

im in your head, derren brown style!
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 00:25 GMT
#1015
[QUOTE]On July 22 2010 09:22 SiNiquity wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:
1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member.
[/quote]
And he had a reasonable explanation (panic'ed, got mod-killed in his first game for not voting on time, so he hurriedly voted since he didn't want to abstain). At the beginning of this day I would have been in complete agreement, but I'm leaning more and more towards it being a freak coincidence at this point. Much like I'm sure there will be some last minute vote for this lynching and whoever cast it will get dragged through the mud, justly or not.


While I'm all for posts defending me, just want to point out I wasn't modkilled in 1st game for not voting, I was modkilled for getting a temp ban

However, the rest is true, I did panic about getting modkilled in this game, as I saw my name in a list of potential modkill :O
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 00:25 GMT
#1017
errrr... sumhow butchered the quoting there. sorry about that.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:28 GMT
#1063
lol, now the other 2 suspects have joined forces to oust me.

Guys please wake up. Literally the only valid suspicion on me, is some stupid remark. We've got to stop banging that drum.

Please can we pick a valid target. To be honest, I don't like this vote at all. I'm not particularly convinced that chaoser and DTA are scum at all. Although if I had to choose, I'd choose DTA.

But really, I am not the right person to lynch here. When you find out I'm not scum, what information are you going to gain from that?
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:33 GMT
#1066
Yeah, I've read it.

I don't really buy it though. I don't think youngminii has been any kind of vehement supporter of mine. I don't really feel anyone has consistently supported me, although many people have pointed out that I'm most likely innocent.

And the reason about my day 1 vote is stupid. He wrote that as if he hasn't read my posts and posts a defending that. Posts which really made perfect sense. The only reason my vote looked suspicious at all was because people fucked up the count.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:41 GMT
#1076
Look, I've already softclaimed blue.

Which was obviously a mistake since I gave mafia information, I was told that was stupid via PM and I agree.

It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill!

I guarantee you lynching me is not going to give you information, and is really going to set you back. Please fucking think about this now. I am NOT the best candidate. Lynching me is hugely risky, on account that I am telling the truth.

Things we know about me:

Claim blue
Am noob - 1st mafia game essentially
Vote based on one stupid remark, and a well defended day 1 vote

Things we know about DTA:

Claims not mafia, no claim of anything useful
Highly skilled and experienced player
Vote based on detailed post analysis and him playing out of character

You lynch me, and I'm mafia, then you "apparently" have youngminii too. Any mafia is good so thats okay, although I disagree about youngminii. I really don't feel he's been a major supporter of mine. You lynch me, and I'm innocent, you lose a blue player, and gain zero information.

You lynch DTA and he's mafia, then you have chaoser too. Since they did a little band together and vote for me trick, and chaoser seemed to jumkp on my bandwagon awfully fast. You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player. You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games.

I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:45 GMT
#1085
What's the vote count?

I need to know if I'm being killed because I want to say shit before I do.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:49 GMT
#1088
does voting end in 11 minutes???

can sum1 please post an accurate vote count =/
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:58 GMT
#1096
DTA, if I'm honest, I don't like any of this voting.

If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you.

But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen.

Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice.

I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post.

Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:00 GMT
#1099
Also, I don't know what wifom means
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:09 GMT
#1118
On July 22 2010 11:08 SouthRawrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:00 Subversion wrote:
Also, I don't know what wifom means


WIFOM= Wine in front of me

Not sure how to explain it but it basically is the situation where you're thinking this could be a green or a blue hiding himself as a green to not get killed or a green hiding himself as a blue hiding himself as a green to protect the blues or a blue hiding himself as a green as a blue as a green.. etc


lolz, worlds most confusing paragraph xD
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:16 GMT
#1131
Any chance of people changing vote completely?

Mass select a new target? I believe me, chaoser and DTA are all innocent.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:31 GMT
#1149
On July 22 2010 11:23 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.

I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too.

I do think Tree.Hugger is quite town aligned. Early I learnt that Tree.Hugger had PM'd people saying 'if we lynch subversion and he flips red, then we have youngminii'. I pointed out that if Tree.Hugger was scum and subversion flipped green, then I'd be 'safe'. There's no logical reason why Tree.Hugger would tie me to subversion if subversion is town and Tree.Hugger is scum.


Why would you think this makes him town aligned? All he is doing is putting forth a reason to vote me off. Me being town, this would be a pretty scum thing to do?
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:39 GMT
#1154
On July 22 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:31 Subversion wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:23 youngminii wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.

I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too.

I do think Tree.Hugger is quite town aligned. Early I learnt that Tree.Hugger had PM'd people saying 'if we lynch subversion and he flips red, then we have youngminii'. I pointed out that if Tree.Hugger was scum and subversion flipped green, then I'd be 'safe'. There's no logical reason why Tree.Hugger would tie me to subversion if subversion is town and Tree.Hugger is scum.


Why would you think this makes him town aligned? All he is doing is putting forth a reason to vote me off. Me being town, this would be a pretty scum thing to do?

No


Errr... elaborate?

Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:53 GMT
#1172
On July 22 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:39 Subversion wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:31 Subversion wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:23 youngminii wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.

I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too.

I do think Tree.Hugger is quite town aligned. Early I learnt that Tree.Hugger had PM'd people saying 'if we lynch subversion and he flips red, then we have youngminii'. I pointed out that if Tree.Hugger was scum and subversion flipped green, then I'd be 'safe'. There's no logical reason why Tree.Hugger would tie me to subversion if subversion is town and Tree.Hugger is scum.


Why would you think this makes him town aligned? All he is doing is putting forth a reason to vote me off. Me being town, this would be a pretty scum thing to do?

No


Errr... elaborate?


Townies don't know you are town so putting reasons to vote for you is not a scum thing to do.


But mafia know I am town, so putting reasons to vote for me, assuming I am town, IS a scum thing to do.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:57 GMT
#1177
On July 22 2010 11:55 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Ugh

i've already outlined my reasons for chaoser being innocent.

at first i was pretty convinced by Pyrr's essay, but youngminii and a couple other players did point out some flaws. upon reexamination it also seems that Pyrr was very selective in which posts of DTA he presented, picking only the worst posts and omitting DTA's more logical and serious posts.

I'm pretty sure Subversion is townie as i've been saying for the past 20 pages or something. but at this point it looks like i have to choose the lesser of two evils.

#vote subversion

Sorry, man. nothing personal.

Most suspicious post in a long time.


If you're not convinced by Pyrr's thing on DTA, and you think I'm townie - why not vote for chaoser? There are 3 choices here, not two.
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