Godfather Mafia

On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote:
Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly.

Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process.

TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|.

On July 01 2010 13:15 Korynne wrote:

Idea:
We vote in this thread, roleblocker blocks whoever gets majority votes.
If nightkill doesn't happen, kill the guy. (Mafia wastes a nightkill to get the guy killed)
If nightkill happens, don't kill the guy. (Could be GF, but not mafia)

This way we also don't have to worry so much about the whole like, when you die your role is not given kind of thing. Because if the guy wasn't mafia, then mafia would have had to not use their nightkill to get him killed, which means mafia now has to kill whoever we decide on during the day, or we get to keep more townies around. Don't forget that people can then get recruited later, so they're not confirmed townies, just confirmed for now townies.

Problem:
If we don't have a roleblocker... well we're kind of screwed. xD
If the GF recruits roleblocker we're kind of really screwed. xD

So basically comment on if it's a good idea, and comment on how likely you think there will be a roleblocker in the game. I figure there's a high enough chance, but the other issue is of course if GF recruits roleblocker... which is like... xD No idea what the chances are.

On July 01 2010 13:30 YellowInk wrote:
Moving on to 'how do we win?'

As should be clear, the godfather needs to be the primary target. Also keep in mind that the mafia don't know who the godfather is. This means the mafia may take out the godfather for us. How do we accomplish this?

Activity levels in the early game are absolutely crucial. I don't care what you're saying, I just want you talking.

If you were a noob-level godfather, you might choose to say almost nothing. The mafia aren't going to hit you because you're not helping the town - they are glad to have inactives hanging out. With an anti-inactivity policy in effect, you're forcing the godfather to talk. So the level 1 godfather would be talking at some moderate amount, but the godfather doesn't want to help the town either, so there are traditional tells to watch for. Being aware of this, just like watching for usual scum, we want to keep a close eye on the middle-of-the-road players that are contributing minimally but being active in the thread. The level 2 godfather might be very active to escape any such scrutiny, though probably not spouting out a plan like I am here.

But we don't even force the godfather to play at this level unless we force everyone to talk. Now since we KNOW almost everyone is town aligned right now, we can rightfully expect almost every single player to be active in thread and putting forth their ideas. Therefore, any player that is playing sub-optimally right now needs to be lynched. If we don't get rid of the inactives now, we'll be plagued with them the rest of the game - and even a DT check won't save their face since they can get recruited.

If we force the godfather to be active, they may get hit by the mafia. If the godfather remains inactive or suspiciously unproductive, we'll lynch for it.

Speaking of DTs, yes, it is worth outing yourself immediately to finger the godfather.

Then, once the godfather is dead, we'll be at a somewhat informed state of the game and be able to immediately go after scum. Hopefully we'll take out a couple scum along the way anyhow - but this should not be a priority. After all, lynching a scum and having one recruited from our ranks is a net loss to us.

Lets get to it, shall we?

On July 01 2010 13:56 L wrote:
I want to know what people think about the following idea; We have one of the two masons claim. Given that we have verrrrry likely have medic(s), they can prot him and keep him alive during the game. If the player is lying, one (not both!) of the real masons can call him out. Given the fact that there are only 2 total mafia members today, it would cost the mafia essentially half their team to contest the mason claim. This is also a reason why claiming immediately would be more helpful than claiming at a later date. The downsides of this? Godfather now has a person he knows not to recruit, and the mason might die once mafia kp gets over 1.

If we do that, we have a confirmed townie who can essentially drive our vote; if he's wrong, cool beans, it happens. If he's right; awesome. Either way, it'll prevent exploitable intra-town conflicts.

On July 01 2010 17:15 YellowInk wrote:



This is a bad plan. If I were scum about to be lynched, I'd totally claim free mason to force them to out. First off, the scum have nothing to lose by making such a claim and 'forcing' a real mason to out themselves. Second, the masons lose a lot of their power when they are 'out'. The #1 power of free masons is that when the godfather recruits them, the recruiting fails. This is why I also have to object to L's plan.

If we're about to lynch a mason, if the masons feel it's worth it to out both masons to divert the lynch, they should both claim. This way if scum lies to do so, they're giving something up. Yeah, doing this for the town will reveal our masons, but it's better than lynching them. No sole mason claim is going to convince me of anything - nor should it of you. It gives up 0 information, scum can do this at will.

On July 01 2010 19:05 Bill Murray wrote:


1) don't reference ongoing games

2) quit making up lies, i only pushed for you after i noticed your scummy vote in the RVS. you
are likely scum, so i am voting for you.

On July 01 2010 11:41 Bill Murray wrote:
random vote on a5j until he decides to post in the thread
town interested in a random wagon?

thoughts on voting for double lynch?

3) though I agree with you on citi.zen, he is probably a blue role. Coroner imo. You, on the other hand, are the Godfather.

On July 02 2010 11:33 zeks wrote:
I'm for L's plan. It essentially parallels a set up with a townie mayor.

"Play smart, be active" easier said than done - on both accounts.

Going out for Canada Day celebrations. Will cast my vote for Korynne. It was between YI or her but I'll give YI a chance cause if he's green then he "can" be a great asset for the town. Up to this point I feel like they've been trying to divide the town more than bring people together.

Apologies for last of activity, Canada Day weekend - going out really soon! Just wanted to cast my vote before I left. Let's get L's plan rolling after first lynch.

PS. I am an integral part in that plan so you don't want to lynch me first night. I hope I don't die like I did in HP mafia when I was gone a couple hours and suddenly everyone stacked on me for no reason. Serious. I'm more important this game than the other ones.

On July 02 2010 12:32 YellowInk wrote:
zeks = silent -> claiming mason supposedly forcing us to L's plan?

I don't buy it.

On July 02 2010 14:24 Korynne wrote:
Also like I said, zeks, you should post an encrypted message in the thread, and give the key to your mason partner. If you die and we ever need to verify your partner, we will be using that key to do it.

On July 02 2010 16:22 YellowInk wrote:
I agree with this. But mind you, everyone, that if zeks isn't a mason, he's probably either the traitor (in which case no one will pick up his key - which is fine), or the goon (in which case he'll pass the key on to his team tomorrow). So the key won't hold too much weight until we have a coroner check out zeks' corpse.

Because of this fact, you could say that the key holds weight if someone decodes it since it's putting scum at risk whenever a coroner flips zeks' corpse. However, the tool would still be there for the goon to use should they desire to put weight into some particular argument at some particular time if this came up.

On July 06 2010 13:35 L wrote:
nosnebA

On July 06 2010 15:42 Bill Murray wrote:
if i was dt i would check ace/bc/yellowink tonight
hell, if you're dt, check me and confirm me for now too
if you're jailer, jail someone repetitively. i'd jail someone like hesmyrr if i was jailer.
if you're a roleblocker, try roleblocking abenson to see if L was lying

On July 06 2010 16:31 Bill Murray wrote:
how the hell is it a waste
L basically roleclaimed detective, and his play is in line with his blue meta..... stfu. he claimed abenson's name backwards which means he was the detective, bro. wake up, and smell the coffee. if abenson is scum, and is roleblocked, they lose killpower

On June 27 2010 03:34 DarthThienAn wrote:
Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, you may ask for the role of any player. I will PM you the results at the end of the night (the results will reflect that night’s recruitment).

On July 06 2010 16:36 Bill Murray wrote:


stfu kid
get that personal vendetta shit out of here

Roleblocker
Jailkeeper
Veteran (passive, but Jailkeeper can prevent the loss of an extra life)
Detective (ask) / Mad Hatter (set bombs)
Coroner (activate)
Mafia Decision for Hit

On July 06 2010 16:42 Bill Murray wrote:
i know the action order

On July 06 2010 16:44 Bill Murray wrote:

divinek is a liar imo
i hope he's not, though.

On July 06 2010 18:03 Abenson wrote:
Yea, I think a general mass roleclaim is a good idea.
Should we do just that?

On July 07 2010 05:11 BrownBear wrote:
I actually think mass roleclaim is a good idea, YI, simply because of the numbers.

Tomorrow, it will be 8 to 4 barring a very lucky roleblock. If we don't lynch a scum, when the next day rolls around, it will be 6 to 5. That's bad. Very bad. We need as much information as possible, and we need it right now.

On July 07 2010 12:17 Bill Murray wrote:
and LISTEN to me town. Don't listen to anyone else if you are town. I believe citi.zen is blue. This fits his blue meta.

YellowInk and YoungMinii are both mafia, 100% likely, and are forcing a mislynch since it's lynch or lose

On July 07 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
11v3
-> mislynch + night
9v4@tomorrow
-> mislynch + night
5v5 - mafia win



all this has done is increase lylo by a day

On July 07 2010 12:46 DCLXVI wrote:
Oh and the situation YI brought up is plausable
both citi.zen and youngminii could be the last two goons and are trying to mess up the town, buying the GF more time. Youngminii was the first to point out citi.zens "mistake". what sort of plan can protect us from this? We could roleblock Youngminii - giving up a dt check or saving a townie

On July 07 2010 13:48 Bill Murray wrote:


thanks for confirming we have another jailer and that i am one
gg

On July 07 2010 13:54 Bill Murray wrote:

Yes. (i started as one)

On July 07 2010 14:03 DCLXVI wrote:
hmm?
I thought that BM meant that he started as a jailer, so the "other jailer" would have to be the dream catcher"

On July 07 2010 17:53 Ace wrote:
so yea. These last few pages pretty much show why Bill Murray is permabanned from any games I host.

On July 09 2010 16:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Yes, absolutely do NOT jail BM. I think the jailkeeper has enough sense to let BM die in the off chance that he's telling the truth or he is actually a vet, or just let him live tomorrow at which point we shall lynch him.

Jailkeeper, I'd suggest youngminii as the protectee.

On July 09 2010 18:41 youngminii wrote:

I can check if I'm jailed. I can't check if I'm roleblocked.

Jail = Roleblock

On July 09 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
to me, youngminii could be mafia (though doubtful)... i just don't have that information
hesmyrr is likely town, as i've jailed him twice.

On July 09 2010 20:14 Abenson wrote:
Do we actually believe BM collectively as a town?
He's been spamming about getting protection for a while now, but the question is:
Do we trust him, and will we protect him.

I would actually support protecting him, as he is most likely still town, and more townies = better.

Your thoughts?

On July 09 2010 20:55 Bill Murray wrote:

you haven't done SHIT.
At least I've made some posts highlighting win conditions and advice to blues
you've been fucking trolling the entire game.

On July 10 2010 05:29 Chezinu wrote:

subject 18: code much?

On July 10 2010 16:31 Bill Murray wrote:


2 kills?
night 0 .. lets assume recruited L
night 1... 1 goon
night 2... 2 goons
night 3... recruited -> 3 goons

this makes no sense to me as to why they would have the KP they do, and LOGICALLY there is either a townie KP role (night vig type shit/Hatter in effect), or we mislynched on citi.zen which makes it lylo.

if someone used their night vig, please speak up

On July 14 2010 10:22 citi.zen wrote:

All evidence points to me playing a terrible game! 2x bombs + DT check = not good.