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On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote: Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly. Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process. TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|. good, that's the right way to do it. I know some other mods pick and choose roles to give out. | ||
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--I'll agree at least with the people saying that that 2nd tier skill level players are probably the most likely to be chosen. Of course, the godfather knows that too, so some meta level strategies might be used. --Spotting the godfather is going to be extremely difficult unless he/she sucks at playing the role. Spotting recruited mafia will be easier because we should be able to notice at least some shift in posting style, whether it be increased interest, decreased activity, fuzzier logic, etc. --This is going to be tough for the town, because the mafia get to keep replenishing if they lose people. I bet the town has an absurd amount of blues to compensate. --It's going to be very weird that we won't know dead people's roles, even whether or not they were mafia (right?). | ||
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On July 01 2010 13:15 Korynne wrote: Idea: We vote in this thread, roleblocker blocks whoever gets majority votes. If nightkill doesn't happen, kill the guy. (Mafia wastes a nightkill to get the guy killed) If nightkill happens, don't kill the guy. (Could be GF, but not mafia) This way we also don't have to worry so much about the whole like, when you die your role is not given kind of thing. Because if the guy wasn't mafia, then mafia would have had to not use their nightkill to get him killed, which means mafia now has to kill whoever we decide on during the day, or we get to keep more townies around. Don't forget that people can then get recruited later, so they're not confirmed townies, just confirmed for now townies. Problem: If we don't have a roleblocker... well we're kind of screwed. xD If the GF recruits roleblocker we're kind of really screwed. xD So basically comment on if it's a good idea, and comment on how likely you think there will be a roleblocker in the game. I figure there's a high enough chance, but the other issue is of course if GF recruits roleblocker... which is like... xD No idea what the chances are. Another problem I see is that vets almost certainly are in this game, so someone might not die even if mafia targeted him (while KP=1). Which also means that mafia can always pretend to be a vet if we did succeed in roleblocking a mafioso. I think we should definitely do this day 1, since lynching someone at random has a tiny chance of actually working for us and will almost certainly result in a lynching a townie. If a vet claims to be hit, we'll lynch him anyway. Once day2 starts, we should implement a new plan. | ||
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On July 01 2010 13:30 YellowInk wrote: Moving on to 'how do we win?' As should be clear, the godfather needs to be the primary target. Also keep in mind that the mafia don't know who the godfather is. This means the mafia may take out the godfather for us. How do we accomplish this? Activity levels in the early game are absolutely crucial. I don't care what you're saying, I just want you talking. If you were a noob-level godfather, you might choose to say almost nothing. The mafia aren't going to hit you because you're not helping the town - they are glad to have inactives hanging out. With an anti-inactivity policy in effect, you're forcing the godfather to talk. So the level 1 godfather would be talking at some moderate amount, but the godfather doesn't want to help the town either, so there are traditional tells to watch for. Being aware of this, just like watching for usual scum, we want to keep a close eye on the middle-of-the-road players that are contributing minimally but being active in the thread. The level 2 godfather might be very active to escape any such scrutiny, though probably not spouting out a plan like I am here. But we don't even force the godfather to play at this level unless we force everyone to talk. Now since we KNOW almost everyone is town aligned right now, we can rightfully expect almost every single player to be active in thread and putting forth their ideas. Therefore, any player that is playing sub-optimally right now needs to be lynched. If we don't get rid of the inactives now, we'll be plagued with them the rest of the game - and even a DT check won't save their face since they can get recruited. If we force the godfather to be active, they may get hit by the mafia. If the godfather remains inactive or suspiciously unproductive, we'll lynch for it. Speaking of DTs, yes, it is worth outing yourself immediately to finger the godfather. Then, once the godfather is dead, we'll be at a somewhat informed state of the game and be able to immediately go after scum. Hopefully we'll take out a couple scum along the way anyhow - but this should not be a priority. After all, lynching a scum and having one recruited from our ranks is a net loss to us. Lets get to it, shall we? QFT. Excellent post YI. We definitely want the godfather at risk as a target for mafia. Keep in mind he has 2 night lives though, so the mafia will almost certainly avoid hitting him the next day for fear that he's the godfather. | ||
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On July 01 2010 13:56 L wrote: I want to know what people think about the following idea; We have one of the two masons claim. Given that we have verrrrry likely have medic(s), they can prot him and keep him alive during the game. If the player is lying, one (not both!) of the real masons can call him out. Given the fact that there are only 2 total mafia members today, it would cost the mafia essentially half their team to contest the mason claim. This is also a reason why claiming immediately would be more helpful than claiming at a later date. The downsides of this? Godfather now has a person he knows not to recruit, and the mason might die once mafia kp gets over 1. If we do that, we have a confirmed townie who can essentially drive our vote; if he's wrong, cool beans, it happens. If he's right; awesome. Either way, it'll prevent exploitable intra-town conflicts. I don't like this idea. The 2 masons are going to be a thorn in the mafia's side until they die. Giving one of them up only gives us the benefit of having a confirmed townie who can do... what? We should use our collective thoughts to out the mafia, not a single person. Now, if it looks like a mason is going to be lynched, the mason should definitely role claim... if a mafioso is doing this, one of the real masons will come out and say it which would be a good trade. | ||
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Btw, I'm assuming there are not more than 1 pair each of lovers/masons, otherwise this would fall apart. | ||
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If you just think I'm a likely person to be recruited due to my perceived skill level and name recognition in relation to everyone else in the game (most have been saying middle of the line), then I would say you probably have your head on straight. Go ahead and keep pressuring me, I can take it. On that note, one person we should keep an eye on is citizen. He is a decent player, but is very quiet even when he's town. He'd be a good person for mafia to recruit. | ||
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On July 01 2010 17:15 YellowInk wrote: This is a bad plan. If I were scum about to be lynched, I'd totally claim free mason to force them to out. First off, the scum have nothing to lose by making such a claim and 'forcing' a real mason to out themselves. Second, the masons lose a lot of their power when they are 'out'. The #1 power of free masons is that when the godfather recruits them, the recruiting fails. This is why I also have to object to L's plan. That's a very good point, nice catch. I should have thought about it a bit more. If we're about to lynch a mason, if the masons feel it's worth it to out both masons to divert the lynch, they should both claim. This way if scum lies to do so, they're giving something up. Yeah, doing this for the town will reveal our masons, but it's better than lynching them. No sole mason claim is going to convince me of anything - nor should it of you. It gives up 0 information, scum can do this at will. Yeah, I think that's the only way to do it, unfortunately. Giving up 2 masons sucks but at least we can jail/protect them. | ||
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I can reference an ongoing game that you are the MOD of (in other words, you are not PLAYING) and that I spoke in publicly if I want if I believe it's influencing your behavior, thanks. 2) quit making up lies, i only pushed for you after i noticed your scummy vote in the RVS. you are likely scum, so i am voting for you. hi! I suppose you forgot you wrote this, it's not like you voted immediately when the day started for me: On July 01 2010 11:41 Bill Murray wrote: random vote on a5j until he decides to post in the thread town interested in a random wagon? thoughts on voting for double lynch? Wow BM, you must be an amazing scum hunter. Deciding who the god father is before they've even posted! Let's all get behind BM! 3) though I agree with you on citi.zen, he is probably a blue role. Coroner imo. You, on the other hand, are the Godfather. I have a very serious question for you: really? REALLY? are you kidding me? You've deduced that citizen is the coroner? lmfao. | ||
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By the way, if you keep acting like this you'll just be spreading confusion, so calm down just a tad please. | ||
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On July 02 2010 11:33 zeks wrote: I'm for L's plan. It essentially parallels a set up with a townie mayor. "Play smart, be active" easier said than done - on both accounts. Going out for Canada Day celebrations. Will cast my vote for Korynne. It was between YI or her but I'll give YI a chance cause if he's green then he "can" be a great asset for the town. Up to this point I feel like they've been trying to divide the town more than bring people together. Apologies for last of activity, Canada Day weekend - going out really soon! Just wanted to cast my vote before I left. Let's get L's plan rolling after first lynch. PS. I am an integral part in that plan so you don't want to lynch me first night. I hope I don't die like I did in HP mafia when I was gone a couple hours and suddenly everyone stacked on me for no reason. Serious. I'm more important this game than the other ones. I would hope that he was trying to bait the mafia to hit him with that statement (maybe he's a vet). | ||
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Hope zeks turns out to be a good leader! | ||
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On July 02 2010 12:32 YellowInk wrote: zeks = silent -> claiming mason supposedly forcing us to L's plan? I don't buy it. If he's mafia, a real mason will come out and say he's lying. If that happens we'll catch a scum, or at worst a traitor. Sounds good to me. | ||
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On July 02 2010 14:24 Korynne wrote: Also like I said, zeks, you should post an encrypted message in the thread, and give the key to your mason partner. If you die and we ever need to verify your partner, we will be using that key to do it. Yes, definitely do this. As for your theory about zeks potentially being scum... I find it highly unlikely. It would be a very risky move for mafia. What are they going to gain right now if masons don't contest his claim? one night of having him jailed? Kinda not worth it at all for giving up a scum when one of the masons comes out tomorrow to say he's full of it. | ||
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On July 02 2010 16:22 YellowInk wrote: I agree with this. But mind you, everyone, that if zeks isn't a mason, he's probably either the traitor (in which case no one will pick up his key - which is fine), or the goon (in which case he'll pass the key on to his team tomorrow). So the key won't hold too much weight until we have a coroner check out zeks' corpse. Because of this fact, you could say that the key holds weight if someone decodes it since it's putting scum at risk whenever a coroner flips zeks' corpse. However, the tool would still be there for the goon to use should they desire to put weight into some particular argument at some particular time if this came up. I think the point is more that if the 2nd mason is going to be lynched, they can decode using the PM'd key to prove their innocence. | ||
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Now the normal dangers of roleclaiming would come with this, but I just wanted to throw this idea out. Also, if we have for example two detectives, we wouldn't know which one was recruited. A modification of the idea could be that only the most powerful blues role claim, so if mafia are tempted to recruit them, they'll be caught by the dreamcatcher, but vets/mason are still a threat to mafia. | ||
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On July 03 2010 08:20 DarthThienAn wrote: Killing L is enough for me. Once L is out of the picture, I will have won and I will be unstoppable... xD + Show Spoiler + speaking of which, have we had a death note themed game yet? | ||
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I find it interesting that bumatlarge/L did not reveal their roles upon death. We may have gotten lucky and struck scum with at least one of them. Jailors, now that we have three prime targets for mafia, your actions are going to be very important. Remember that mafia have 1 or possibly 2 KP tonight, as well as a recruit "KP". Since I believe there are at least two of you out there (if there was only 1 jailor in the game, I feel like town would be absolutely screwed) my recommendation is to pick one of zeks/divinek/abenson randomly and jail them. This makes recruiting divinek/abenson or KP any of those three extremely risky for mafia. Divinke, if you haven't already, use your ability asap, because if you get jailed before you use it it won't go through. | ||
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On July 06 2010 13:35 L wrote: nosnebA This means one of three things: 1) abenson was recruited, no way for divinek to know this 2) divinek was lying, they are both scum 3) L was scum and is trying to confuse our blue roles' night actions before coroner ability result is released. I think 2) is very unlikely, because a true lover would have contested divinek's claim immediately to be sure he got lynched. 1) seems reasonably likely, as does 3). Luckily, we'll know once the coroner results are shown. | ||
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On July 06 2010 15:42 Bill Murray wrote: if i was dt i would check ace/bc/yellowink tonight hell, if you're dt, check me and confirm me for now too if you're jailer, jail someone repetitively. i'd jail someone like hesmyrr if i was jailer. if you're a roleblocker, try roleblocking abenson to see if L was lying do not role block abenson. we'll have a much better idea about abenson soon enough. I'd say roleblock BM or citi.zen. | ||
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On July 06 2010 16:31 Bill Murray wrote: how the hell is it a waste L basically roleclaimed detective, and his play is in line with his blue meta..... stfu. he claimed abenson's name backwards which means he was the detective, bro. wake up, and smell the coffee. if abenson is scum, and is roleblocked, they lose killpower You are so stupid it drives me crazy. Detectives cannot rolecheck on night1. | ||
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On June 27 2010 03:34 DarthThienAn wrote: Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, you may ask for the role of any player. I will PM you the results at the end of the night (the results will reflect that night’s recruitment). Do you even read the thread in between your nonsensical spamming? | ||
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On July 06 2010 16:36 Bill Murray wrote: stfu kid get that personal vendetta shit out of here It's no personal vendetta. Read your posts. Unfortunately, you've not done much besides confuse the town. | ||
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Roleblocker Jailkeeper Veteran (passive, but Jailkeeper can prevent the loss of an extra life) Detective (ask) / Mad Hatter (set bombs) Coroner (activate) Mafia Decision for Hit Mafia don't get roleblockers, so unless our roleblocker is incredibly stupid, he won't be roleblocked and we'll get the results before he (possibly) dies. | ||
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On July 06 2010 16:42 Bill Murray wrote: i know the action order so why don't you think the coroner action will go through? | ||
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On July 06 2010 16:44 Bill Murray wrote: divinek is a liar imo i hope he's not, though. on the bright side, we have an easy lynch tomorrow if we don't get a coroner check back. | ||
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On July 06 2010 18:03 Abenson wrote: Yea, I think a general mass roleclaim is a good idea. Should we do just that? uhhh certainly not now. | ||
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On July 07 2010 05:11 BrownBear wrote: I actually think mass roleclaim is a good idea, YI, simply because of the numbers. Tomorrow, it will be 8 to 4 barring a very lucky roleblock. If we don't lynch a scum, when the next day rolls around, it will be 6 to 5. That's bad. Very bad. We need as much information as possible, and we need it right now. and why are you so confident that none of the dead people are scum? | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:44 youngminii wrote: Confirmed. DT can only check from Night 2 onwards. No reason to doubt me now. Rofl | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:17 Bill Murray wrote: and LISTEN to me town. Don't listen to anyone else if you are town. I believe citi.zen is blue. This fits his blue meta. YellowInk and YoungMinii are both mafia, 100% likely, and are forcing a mislynch since it's lynch or lose citi.zen just FAKE CLAIMED DETECTIVE ON THE LAST PAGE. You said L's play fit with his DT meta, I said he'd flip red. Who was right? We need to lynch BM very soon. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: 11v3 -> mislynch + night 9v4@tomorrow -> mislynch + night 5v5 - mafia win all this has done is increase lylo by a day Since we know cizi.zen is GF due to his slip up, we are in a much better position than this. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:46 DCLXVI wrote: Oh and the situation YI brought up is plausable both citi.zen and youngminii could be the last two goons and are trying to mess up the town, buying the GF more time. Youngminii was the first to point out citi.zens "mistake". what sort of plan can protect us from this? We could roleblock Youngminii - giving up a dt check or saving a townie I like this plan. I'm willing to give up a DT check to prevent this rather clever plan from working out for mafia. So today we lynch citi.zen, tonight we roleblock youngminii. The only thing to worry about is mafia could opt to not use their KP in order to frame youngminii, but that would mean that citi.zen really was the godfather and we'd be in a great position anyway. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:48 Bill Murray wrote: thanks for confirming we have another jailer and that i am one gg What is the matter with you? His answer is for the hypothetical situation that there are 2 jailers and they ask to jail each other. It does not confirm you as jailer. | ||
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LOLOLOL How did you jail Hesmyrr twice then? | ||
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On July 07 2010 14:03 DCLXVI wrote: hmm? I thought that BM meant that he started as a jailer, so the "other jailer" would have to be the dream catcher" Maybe, but even if that's the case, it's not unreasonable to assume town started with 2 jailers given the setup, so there's no way he could definitively say the other jailer must be the dream catcher. | ||
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On July 07 2010 14:37 Bill Murray wrote: On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote: Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow. I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now. BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night. this to me screams detective notice how he said "TOWN" and not "TOWNIE"? Why did he lie about rolechecking L , then? | ||
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On July 07 2010 17:53 Ace wrote: so yea. These last few pages pretty much show why Bill Murray is permabanned from any games I host. Would you mind hosting the next game? | ||
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Jailkeeper, I'd suggest youngminii as the protectee. | ||
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On July 09 2010 16:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Yes, absolutely do NOT jail BM. I think the jailkeeper has enough sense to let BM die in the off chance that he's telling the truth or he is actually a vet, or just let him live tomorrow at which point we shall lynch him. Jailkeeper, I'd suggest youngminii as the protectee. Actually, scratch that, don't jail youngminii because then won't be able to use his check. Either protect someone random or zeks, I'd say. Mafia will want to eliminate zeks at some point, since if he is kept around he's going to be very valuable to us for the remainder of the game since he'll always be a confirmed townie. | ||
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On July 09 2010 18:41 youngminii wrote: I can check if I'm jailed. I can't check if I'm roleblocked. Jail Opps, I was wrong. Jailkeeper, plz jail youngminii. | ||
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On July 09 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote: to me, youngminii could be mafia (though doubtful)... i just don't have that information hesmyrr is likely town, as i've jailed him twice. why does that make him likely town? jailing is not the same as roleblocking, remember? | ||
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On July 09 2010 20:14 Abenson wrote: Do we actually believe BM collectively as a town? He's been spamming about getting protection for a while now, but the question is: Do we trust him, and will we protect him. I would actually support protecting him, as he is most likely still town, and more townies = better. Your thoughts? You really think he's town? really? -.- he's either mafia and playing WIFOM with us posting like an idiot on purpose and making us think "hey, he wouldn't be posting THAT scummy if he were mafia, would he?", or he's mafia and just bad at not looking scummy. he's done nothing to help the town, in fact he's hurt us by confusing us and derailing useful discussion many many times. | ||
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On July 09 2010 20:55 Bill Murray wrote: you haven't done SHIT. At least I've made some posts highlighting win conditions and advice to blues you've been fucking trolling the entire game. I'm sad to say it, but that post just somewhat convinced me you're town... gj if you're actually mafia. | ||
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On July 10 2010 16:31 Bill Murray wrote: 2 kills? night 0 .. lets assume recruited L night 1... 1 goon night 2... 2 goons night 3... recruited -> 3 goons this makes no sense to me as to why they would have the KP they do, and LOGICALLY there is either a townie KP role (night vig type shit/Hatter in effect), or we mislynched on citi.zen which makes it lylo. if someone used their night vig, please speak up Yep, this is quite worrisome. Another possibility is that one of the people killed was a hatter and had his bomb placed on the other guy. | ||
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On July 14 2010 10:22 citi.zen wrote: All evidence points to me playing a terrible game! 2x bombs + DT check = not good. i thought you were both a likely mafia recruit and acting like mafia, so putting a bomb on you was a no brainer. Guess I messed up with putting the bomb on brownbear, though. Sorry dude! | ||
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