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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 12:23 youngminii wrote: I hear you on that you have the evidence etc etc. The thing is, the godfather is almost all that matters. Once the GF is dead AND we are sure of it, we've practically won. I'm sure there is a lot of blue power hanging out among us. We got lucky that you found the GF right off the bat. If every remaining roleblocker blocks you, we can be extremely sure that you are town. (Contrary to Korynne's belief, I find it hard to see this game designed with only one roleblocker (Ace)). The jailkeeper keeps jailing you and it'll be nearly impossible for the scum to win.Lol okay in light of what just happened, I suggest the following strategy: We are fairly sure that I'm Detective and that citi.zen is GF. There is reasonable evidence that it is so. There is also the scumminess of BM's posts (why would he defend citi.zen after his blatant error?). He also tells DT to claim when I've already claimed. So, here's what I think. Jailer should jail me. I'll check BM. Roleblocker should block YI or some other person that people think is scum. That way, we can check BM and YI at once. I for one don't think YI is scum. I think BM might be scum. I think there's enough evidence to prove that I am really a DT and that citi.zen is a liar. I don't want to be roleblocked simply because that is wasting a DT check. The only way I could see it being worthwhile to not block you the one time is if a coroner wants to pop on night 3 (if we have a third). I'm not sure that this is the best strategy even if we have a coroner. I'd be willing to debate this, though. The problem is that if citi.zen turns out to be a goon and you are also a goon and this convinces the town that you are a real DT (because we neither blocked you nor checked that the godfather was dead), that's mafia victory again. I could see the two living scum making this plan especially considering the GF gets to keep recruiting. So one way or the other we need to at least confirm you're not a goon or that citi.zen is a dead godfather to ensure the town victory. | ||
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YellowInk
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We are not role claiming. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:38 Bill Murray wrote: You're not going to get killed in the night 100% because the red knows we're going to lynch you for being red anyway. Besides, mafia rarely kill their own and certainly not in a 2vLots circumstance.im not fucking red im going to get killed in the night 100% | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 12:39 BrownBear wrote: L was red when he posted. All he was looking to do was sow confusion. It is possible that Abenson was recruited, but highly unlikely. We can have him investigated eventually - we're going to have so many investigates that we'll have no trouble winning this game.Let's talk about Abenson. L claimed he was scum in his death post, now thanks to Divinek we know L was both traitor and scum. Do we think this clears Abenson, or do we think the GF recruited him? Personally, I'm thinking he is town. If youngminii is for real (and it's 90% likely that he is), we've got this game in the bag already. We've got it so in the bag that we roleblocking youngminii tonight is the best decision because it'll eliminate 9.5 of that remaining 10%. Mafia really probably should just give up right now.  | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 12:40 BrownBear wrote: Ace was roleblocker. Please read thread. ^^And now we have pretty good reason to believe DCL is town. I'm assuming Ace was DT or something similar, given he just joined the game so doesn't really have much to go on. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 12:46 youngminii wrote: Nah, the mafia will have to give up at least 2 KP to get you lynched. We're probably not going to lynch you tomorrow if there's no KP. We'll block you for at least one more day. If you're a real DT and they give up KP twice, well, I think a DT is worth blocking two KP and lynching a godfather.Problem with me getting roleblocked is, if scum decide not to kill anyone that's a free DT they've killed. Which COULD turn the tides back into their favour (still unlikely though). I'd much rather check BM before anything happens bad happens. Also yeah, Ace prolly roleblocked DCL last night. But scum KP wasn't blocked so DCL is highly likely not red. Anyway I'm going out now, will catch up when I get back on. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:52 youngminii wrote: You misunderstand. The mafia will have to give up their KP for two days in a row. Remember that roleblockers can block the same target twice in a row, but not three times. If there's no KP tonight, we block you again to get the best mileage out of it. At this point we would be actively hunting for the real godfather again, so we'd be looking elsewhere to lynch anyway. If there's no KP the following night, then we'd decide if we want to lynch you or if we want to keep you around to block two nights in a row after.I don't think scum has 2 KP. I mean, there was only one NK last night. Could be because they targeted someone that was jailed or one of em got RB'd but I still think there's a strong possibility that they only have 1 KP. The mafia is in really bad shape right now so long as town doesn't do anything reckless. | ||
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YellowInk
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Do not roleclaim Lynch citi.zen Roleblock youngminii Jail youngminii No coroner usage Detectives spy on whomever you think is most likely to be godfather besides citi.zen ** Mad Hatter bomb Bill Murray Ignore Bill Murray's posts Scratch your head at Chezinu Smile if you're town, this game is probably about to end in victory ** This is because we want to plan for our worst case scenario - the 10% I alluded to earlier. If youngminii is playing us and he is in cahoots with citi.zen, we're still on godfather hunt. If citi.zen is really the godfather, we practically can't lose.+ Show Spoiler [Why we can't lose] + youngminii will get to keep getting to DT people and the mafia won't be able to target their hits effectively. After 2-3 nights following, if he hasn't found any scum, youngminii will give us a list of confirmed townies that he'll reveal which will ensure our victory even if he gets killed. We'll be able to mop up with a double lynch endgame. All of this is even assuming we have no other roles in the game besides 1 jailer and youngminii as our DT. I'm sure we have much more than this. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:57 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Ahahaha another mafia nailed. I'm glad I will not be faceplanting into my desk at the end of this game.LOLOLOL How did you jail Hesmyrr twice then? | ||
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On July 07 2010 14:29 Bill Murray wrote: Playing disruptively and this scummy should result in a policy lynch. Fortunately, if youngminii is truthful, we don't need to policy lynch. Also, stop inflating numbers and such to try to get people to roleclaim. Your numbers are wrong. No one is claiming. If you're a town jailkeeper I hope the mafia hits you to save us the failed (read: didn't find scum) detective check. If you survive the night, we might figure test your truthfulness - or maybe a DT will have investigated you anyhow. Jailkeeper obviously don't cover BM since it'll mess up our DT checking if they decide to go with BM, though in fairness I don't think he's likely godfather so probably not worth it, but that'll be up to you. All jailkeepers (including you, supposedly, BM) should jail youngminii.um... 10v3 with 3 mafia.... uhhhhhhhhhh that's pretty good odds for mafia buddy why would i out myself? im trying to lend the town a different perspective. scummy=/=scum i am a scummy player i am not scum i am a power role, specifically, our jailkeeper. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 14:37 Bill Murray wrote: I'll give you two.give me 1 reason why it's not possible 1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132755¤tpage=57#1121 On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote: The lie.Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow. I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now. BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132755#2 On June 27 2010 03:34 DarthThienAn wrote: Why it's a lie.Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, you may ask for the role of any player. I will PM you the results at the end of the night (the results will reflect that night’s recruitment). 2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132755¤tpage=59#1166 On July 07 2010 12:30 citi.zen wrote: Admission.Oh my, what a big mistake I've made! You got me guys, good job there. I think I'm done with this thread for tonight. Town, play it smart. No claiming. Ignore BM. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 08 2010 01:26 Hesmyrr wrote: I think this is better to do night 4.Also mass roleclaim is stupid as hell, but I do would like role claim coming from coroner. I looked at the role list and coroner ability activates before mafia kill and recruitment, which makes him a ideal role that can be mod verified. Considering the situation if there are any other Coroner alive, as Dream Catcher who caught the coroner, I recommend him to claim now and pop the ability immediately after n3. It's worth it to absolutely confirm the validity of youngminii-citi.zen conflict. It's a long shot, but throwing it out here. So if there really is coroner... speak out now? By far I believe citi.zen is godfather and youngminii is detective. If this is the case we almost can't lose. If youngminii is goon and citi.zen is goon (a distinct possibility), roleblocking youngminii will reveal suspicion on the circumstances. This costs far less than a coroner, and we can still coroner on night 4 should we choose to. By popping coroner on night 3 in this circumstance, we almost assuredly won't have the tools to counter another DT-fingers-someone claim tomorrow should the godfather be alive. Delaying to at least night 4 improves this situation greatly. If youngminii is godfather and citi.zen is goon (an unlikely possibility), roleblocking youngminii and having the mafia KP go through will make us trusting of youngminii as DT. We can then pop the coroner on night 4 and get absolute confirmation of the situation. In this case, since we won't be roleblocking youngminii on night 4, he will be getting 1 new recruit. Howerever, since we will know youngminii is neither goon nor trustworthy, he'll be lynched on day 5 and we'll be in a very good position as town. So in summary, the second situation benefits immensely from coroner delaying to night 4. The third situation is about a wash. The first situation is irrelevant. Therefore the coroner should wait till day 4 to claim (should we even have one) at the earliest. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 08 2010 03:34 BrownBear wrote: You? Never...It's how you learn. I make a huge mistake every couple games or so ^^ | ||
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On July 08 2010 03:51 BrownBear wrote: Yes. Simply because the most likely way for us to lose is for youngminii to be a goon. If youngminii is for real, we've already practically got the victory.T_T But seriously, though. Mistakes happen. Generally to me. Are we for sure roleblocking youngminii tonight? I'm still not convinced that he's a better target than BM is. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 08 2010 04:46 youngminii wrote: It's not just 2 scum vs ~13 townies. It's 2 scum vs 13 townies in a game that would have been designed as blue heavy and with a confirmed DT and hidden (I hope, BM lol) jailkeeper(s).You know, it's not THAT unreasonable for 2 scum to overcome 13~ townies. I'm just saying, having the DT in the game is a 100% win. Without, it's 99%. I mean, obviously I don't want to get lynched (assuming scum withhold their NK) and unless there's another DT in the game, I'm not too sure that roleblocking me as a check is the best idea. | ||
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On July 08 2010 05:28 Bill Murray wrote: This is more believable, but if this is true, you were way over the top with it.sorry that i misunderstood. i thought there was no reason he couldnt be a dt, and it took someone actually saying that. if you look back on prior pages, across5julys had to correct me on the lack of a night 1 check. it's just very awkward, and i'm not ever going to get use to that, so you all will continue having to correct me. the better players, ver, qatol, probably even incognito really love the mad hatter role, but criticize the way it is used. I hope it is in the hands of someone like Chezinu who has the ability to actually find reds. Otherwise, it is likely that the idiot hatter will be taking at least one blue out with him if he has a bomb on me. If you DO have a bomb on me, I advise moving it. My claiming was not to disrupt town. I am a veteran. I was looking to soak a hit from claiming jailkeeper. I feel safe claiming veteran now that we know who the godfather is (assuming youngminii isn't lying) way And it still doesn't explain why you wanted 'another' jailkeeper to out themselves, so there is that. | ||
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