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On July 07 2010 12:52 youngminii wrote: I don't think scum has 2 KP. I mean, there was only one NK last night. Could be because they targeted someone that was jailed or one of em got RB'd but I still think there's a strong possibility that they only have 1 KP. There is no way scum has 2KP at this point. With a possible of 2 total recruits left at this point (as L is dead), the only way for 2KP would be if each recruit = 1 kp which seems unlikely as if the gf ever got up to 3 recruits, it would be absolutely broken. Chances are it is 1KP, which is something mafia can't waste. With citizen as the GF (pretty well most likely with his blatant fuckup of a claim), by the end of the lynch we should be looking at 2 mafia goons to clean up. | ||
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Citizen has pretty clearly scum based off his lie. The situation is pretty clear Youngminii is one of the following A) legit and checked citizen, he flipped gf B) mafia scum and is trying to build credibility by sacrificing a comrade C) GF and sacrificing a goon to build credibility There is nothing else to it. Option A) is insanely likely, with a small chance of B or C. Also, double lynch at this point is only reasonable if we all agree on likely red targets. However, if citizen is indeed the GF, then the double lynches aren't needed. Off citizen, then lynch whoever is the most likely to be red tommorrow, then repeat. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:35 youngminii wrote: I actually like YellowInk's plan. Let me just say this though: I will be checking BM the first night. Do not jail him. Of course, that leads to the (highly likely) possibility of scum killing BM, especially if he is jailer. I'm willing to take that risk though since YI's plan seems pretty solid. It only works if there is no other roleblocker | ||
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He lost his mind ages ago | ||
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On July 10 2010 17:32 Bill Murray wrote: well, citi.zen was going for "the best" players if he recruited L early.. yellowink/brownbear/chezinu/bc are the only people i could see him recruiting cross-reference this with my assessment of everyone, and BC is the one on both lists therefore, i am voting bloodyc0bbler, but not double-lynch. Your biggest issue with that however is that I subbed into the game last minute as Ace did. Considering that citizen appears to have been the GF, L was mafia + traitor, and Ace dead, citizen would have screwed the mafia team by recruiting me as soon as I joined. For precisely the same reason you have me listed. I am a "best" player. Grabbing me the moment I appear into play would get me basically auto shot, crippling the mafia. Chez/brownbear/yellowink would make good choices however. Out of the three though, brown bear is the least active compared to what I have seen as his regular style, so if we have to vote on BM's list of 4, BB gets my vote. On July 10 2010 16:47 Bill Murray wrote: ok Night 1 recruitment: ? Night 2 recruitment: ? Night 3 recruitment: ? Player List: Scummy/Lynchable: BloodyC0bbler - where the hell has he been? Was I really needed for the period of time we solidified Citizen as a lynch hit? or with the overnight period where the only activity is usually discussion of who uses roles which you guys cleared rather quickly. Truth be told I haven't been needed heavily the last day or so as youngmirii has done fairly well to lead the town. | ||
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On July 10 2010 17:51 Bill Murray wrote: you realize you appear scummy by actively lurking? you respond the MINUTE you are accused... well not literally, but you know what i mean; however, your case is pretty good. i will unvote for now, and let everyone else decide on this. i am by no means the sole brain :p if you look at my general activity today you'd notice i've been on TL a large portion of it, and combine with DTA's late ass night post, it ended up being bad timing? | ||
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On July 12 2010 02:59 Hesmyrr wrote: Someone Someone Someone Someone Someone zeks (Mason) Someone (Mason) DCLXVI youngminii (Goon) someone (Goon) someone (Godfather) I do see above possibility (with Mafia nearing his victory) where we are 8-3. However, in current situation with coroners dead, what can we do? Either we decide youngminii is DT or not, then we run with it. One path leads to doom, another to salvation. And I rather go with the scenario that gives Town logical chance of victory rather than stumbling around in absolute darkness. If the town decides to go along with our plan, should we have another surviving Mad Hatter claim? (YI did bring up a good point about this.) We can just delay his lynch until he managed to move all of his bombs to the unconfirmed players. The issue being is if there is a second unconfirmed hatter, he should only pop up in the event he is about to be lynched. The moment he claims it puts him in danger of being hit. Killing potentially 0 - 2 people off the town list based on current allocation of bombs. Factor in that Mafia most likely only has 1 kp based on last nights hit (unless the gf is still alive then possibly more now), then we should be hesitant to have hatters claim. Hatters as well as double lynches at this point give the mafia a way to get extra KP that they shouldn't have at this stage of the game. Double lynches should be saved until we need them, as with a dt clearing people off a list the last reds will be found shortly, and top that off with a claimed hatter already dropping bombs on that list, we can lynch him if need be to kill 2 people off that list as well (effectively killing three off the unconfirmed list). If the godfather is still alive, we would know it within the next day. Mafia would be risking far to much at this point by hiding any KP it has, so after tonight we will know 100% if our DT is legit based on night kills. Stress, if we have a second Hatter, place your bombs/move them among the unconfirmed player list, but don't come out into the open. If you come out too early it will add to mafia KP provided our DT is legit. I would advise against double lynching for the moment as we can effectively use a hatter to do a double lynch (if chez's claim is legit) to kill three people off the unconfirmed list, instead of arguing over killing which two. With four off that list in the span of todays lynch + tommorrow town would win in two more lynches regardless, or could double lynch at that point. IT also saves the double lynches in the weird event that our DT isn't legit, and gives the towns a mean to actually save itself if the worst case scenario arrives. | ||
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On July 12 2010 02:43 YellowInk wrote: For the record, I'm not convinced we hung the godfather. I can't imagine a game filled with this many strong players continues to fail to see so many things that are obvious. Unfortunately we were not given the tools to counter a straightforward mafia play, so we must simply stay true to the most likely path to victory. As I've presented numerous significant arguments and the town seems intent on lynching me (Hesmyrr, youngminii, zeks) without expressing any cause, I'm going to try just being quiet for the next 9 hours and see if you guys can just come to a reasonable conclusion on your own. I'll answer any questions asked directly of me, but beyond that, this inaction is maddening and I want no more part of pushing this boulder up a mountain. If your not convinced that we killed the godfather then chances are as of tonight, town has lost. I say that because it would mean the GF would have had time to a) recruit our jail keeper and b) as of tonight recruit the dt (provided neither were red already) giving the mafia the ability to fake clear/convict people while still growing. At this stage of the game, based on current town beliefs, a surviving GF means GG. We cannot afford to think like this. | ||
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On July 12 2010 03:49 Bill Murray wrote: i wasnt recruited, so... :p this is assuming that i wasnt jailed in relation to being recruited, and that on n1, n2, or whatever nights he has been recruiting, that he wasnt roleblocked and his target wasnt jailed. you are not taking every variable into consideration here I basically said worst case scenario. At this stage if the GF is alive town is fucked. Town has already used most other number stats up there already, so seems pointless to redo them. I was more commenting on his disbelief the GF was dead. | ||
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On July 12 2010 03:58 BrownBear wrote: Mason claim Day 1 that was uncontested, meaning that he must logically be mason. Add in that so far the only roleblocker found has been Ace means its unlikely that the mafia managed to roleblock him on a night the GF recruited. | ||
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On July 12 2010 03:59 Chezinu wrote: Why because we don't have masons? lol... Darth only admitted that we have lovers not masons.. He has never admitted that we have DC's, or hatters either. For all we know the only blues we got were two coroners, a jailer, roleblocker and a dt. Not meaning to be a complete douche, but it seems reasonable that if no one has contested his claim, nor has he been discounted via the dt he can be considered legit. However, worst case scenario puts him as a mafia who lied, or GF who lied and has yet to be checked. | ||
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On July 12 2010 04:00 Chezinu wrote: if the godfather is truly dead... why won't masons claim together confirming each other? Good point. | ||
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The next minor issue is you would need a DT to check one of them, as only masons and unless game mechanics have changed for some reason, mafia can PM. Regardless, adds people to the confirmed side of things even before the DT check as no one contested the claim early game. | ||
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On July 12 2010 04:06 Hesmyrr wrote: To be honest, I find it hugely douche move (unless specifically stated to be bastard setup) to put in OP the role that does not really exist in the setup. I never saw it done in TL. Point about mason is correct though; second mason really needs to come up with a key sooner or later to verify zek's mason claim. I know when I have hosted previously I have excluded the miller role for instance, as the threat of it in the OP was enough to make people not trust dt checks 100%. I also believe certain games have had hatters + vigi's in the OP and only used one of the roles. Depends on the number of players you have to balance out the game. | ||
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On July 12 2010 13:37 rastaban wrote: If this is accurate I am all for a double lynch of Myself and BC. I need to double check to make sure that it makes sense though. Double lynch wasn't passed so one of us will be lynched come morning. Also, a modkilled hatter/mason? I thought people went inactive when they flipped shite roles, not pro roles lol. | ||
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Also, citizen bad recruitments yo =( | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:09 youngminii wrote: I'm too good at this shit. I shall henceforth be known as Scumhunter Youngminii. To be fair, I was caught mroe from a narrowed down list, over insane reading ability  | ||
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