EPTOn June 14 2010 19:35 flamewheel wrote:
Dumbledore should be dead.
Dumbledore should be dead.
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On June 20 2010 20:07 Radfield wrote: While we're waiting for the game to start.... Does anyone else find this bizarre..... This is a christian game of harry potter mafia, of course... | ||
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On June 21 2010 14:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Alright...I would like to announce that I am pro-town and in disagreement with name claiming or role claiming just yet. Name claiming may allow the mafia to realize (if) who the hidden horcrux is...so we have got to have more discussion before any claiming... I agree. For now we should worry about the election and try to find a strategy that doesn't out the entire town. | ||
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If you're new and you don't know a lot about the people playing then I wouldn't nominate someone. Only nominate someone if you know that they would do a good job. From there we can start to generate a list of players who are aligned, trust me this doesn't guarantee you are a death eater, but it's a start in the right direction to make sure we can minimize losses of good townies early. Also mayoral candidates should consider a working list of people they think they should lynch, but don't post who you would lynch immediately. The best system is to get a majority on who the town would like to lynch, since Day 1 lynches are typically pretty random we should just make sure it's a choice the whole town is behind. | ||
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On June 21 2010 20:13 Radfield wrote: The question always seems to be, lynch someone who is inactive, or someone who is mildly scummy. Given the likelihood that we have a fair number of townies with some sort of special power, lynching an active player doesn't seem like a great idea. However, we have two days until we(the mayor) need to make a decision, and hopefully we'll have a good amount of discussion on all topics by the end, so it should be easy to pick out the contributors from the non-contributors. By no means am I saying that we should lynch an active townie, but we should more-or-less alleviate the blame of the day 1 lynch from the mayor to the town as a whole. This gives us a "suspect list" to work with rather than turning on the elected official, which happens more often than not. I'm a little skeptical as to how these spells work or how they are allocated, but we should be careful about protecting players. I think we also may have a lot of people who can role block (expelliarmus). Pretty much we should decide how to allocate spell-casting so we don't have people overlapping and we make the best role blocks possible. We don't know if the red spells are mafia-only spells or if they can be used by blue players (ie a vigilante role using avada kedavra) Also excuse my spelling I am not a Harry Potter fanatic so I won't reference the OP just to spell-check... | ||
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There are A LOT of unfamiliar names in this game who I've never played with (Welcome if this is your first game!!!  ) Please do not hesitate to be active and speak out. Don't let your opinions get drowned out by aggressive players, though I don't think we have the hardcore players in this game.Still please let's be active and try to figure out how we want to play this game out. We have a lot of helpful spells that I'm sure a majority of the town has, so we need to be organized to win this! | ||
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On June 22 2010 02:56 Bill Murray wrote: AK is uncounterable. Some things are close to the book, others are not. I have no idea if it's balanced. Then why is Episky in this game? | ||
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Right now there are a lot of spells that can be used, and a bunch of spells mixed with roles that can really mess everything up. If I'm reading the rules right the mayor/pardoner positions are actually not as safe as one would hope. If the bus driver is in fact a DE role then that could cause trouble for us (If I am elected I could be swapped with another player and the DE could target the other player, thus killing me without going through any bodyguards.) Possibility No. 1: With that said it might not be worth it to have the DT's potentially waste a check on someone who's able to be killed so easily....Now we don't know how many DT's we have in this game... but maybe they should focus on checking out the nominators first. Then we have role blockers... I'm not entirely sure what we should do with these guys. It might be smart (depending on how many we have) to have them block inactive players first and each day rotate who gets role blocked. Possibility No. 2: I'm also half-considering the role claiming idea just so we can see what spells we have at our disposal. This would make the bus drivers role pretty weak if we know what our firepower is like, and perhaps we can get aggressive fast. We would need to rally all of the medics and the roleblockers to create a test field to see who can do what. In a game of 20 people there are 4 guaranteed death eaters... and if we all role claim they may attempt to spread out their roles. This is going to require a VERY active town to pull off, and we need to be unified. Also if you're a stump maybe the best thing to do is to role claim AFTER the election is over. This will then assist in organizing lists of townies and we can immediately eliminate you from our searches (please don't let there be more than one actual stump). I'm really just throwing possible ideas out. I've been sitting here for about 20 minutes trying to think of the best possible strategy, and really what's going on here is an all-out spell brawl. It may be best to unify our efforts so we don't end up piling our spells, and keeping the information out in the open in a game without PM's might be the best idea. | ||
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On June 22 2010 11:44 johnnyspazz wrote: It's true that bodyguards are a little less useful thanks to Bus Drivers, but I remember that mafia aligned Drivers can't exactly communicated with the mafia team. I think your hypothetical situation will never happen in this setup if the Driver can't communicate with other mafia. I think mayor/pardoner is a lot safer than you think. We also have to remember we have both Bodyguards and Aurors. I don't think mafia would ever risk attacking mayor/pardoner since it's 50/50 if they get protected and mafia's identity is revealed. Do you think it's better to have blues or greens as elected officials? I would prefer power roles elected. I think it's better to have certain blues be elected for the two positions. You guys just need to trust that the two people running are blue. I'm completely on-board for throwing myself and Radfield on for MoM and Pardoner, respectively. I'm also going to switch my plan and suggest that at least ONE detective should check the MoM... this plan will work rather well if I'm elected. From there we will move to the pardoner, then the nominators. While we figure this out the role-blockers must make a decision on who to block for the night. I would suggest targeting players that are "wishy washy" or players that haven't done a lot to help this election process. I'm going to officially say this: Vote for Radfield and myself. The list should be split so we can then split each voter up into two classifications. All you need to do is place a vote. People who place no vote are for BM to decide  | ||
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On June 22 2010 21:19 Radfield wrote: This certainly changes things. MoM is a much juicier position for mafia now, as they can effect the voting considerably. This makes it much more worth the risk to go after MoM as mafia. YellowInk seems like a smart player, and more importantly an active one, so he has my tentative vote. If you are elected YI, who will you lynch? As far as the pardoner goes, it really doesn't make sense for them to ever use their power unless they were mafia. Going against the town majority like that will almost guarantee yourself to be lynched. I'm not sure I've ever actually seen the pardoner skill used. In every game I've seen the pardoner ability has been used by a mafioso only.. and they only did it because it was too late to stop the mafia or they were just playing stupid. | ||
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On June 23 2010 00:00 Hesmyrr wrote: Guys, you are missing this post. acrossfivejulys -> Amber[light]. AFJ, what specific part of amber[light]'s post did you like? It is in responsibility of nominee to also give a reason for nomination so if nominated is mafia he/she can't go like "oh I picked someone in random lol". We need to know if the nomination is mafia push, or legit pro-town reasoning. zeks -> Radfield or Amber I just need a clarification in your argument. Why are you nominating conservative posting townies? I don't really get it. johnnyspazz -> YellowInk I have already pointed out this is poor, half-hearted nomination which hurts the nominated as much as the nominee. However, I still give big plus to johnnyspazz because he was catalyst that started nomination mechanics instead of some people rising up to elect themselves, which allowed townies to take more definite positions than they would have been early game. Radfield, you had one game with me (Three Kingdoms Mafia) where I had not shown any indication in my ability to catch scum, and had given up my team when simple pressure had been applied to me. There are plenty of players here, some already nominated, which are also highly active, so why particularly nominate me? Hesmyrr -> Roffles My justification for this choice is that his inquiry of questioning seemed something mafia is unlikely to do. I rather have someone I believe to be pro-town elected, since investigating mayoral position is more perilous than some seem to believe (elaborated below). Amber[light] -> Radfield or himself. I really do not like this. Although I can see why you would like to classify the town into two distinguishable categories, this also breaks the town nomination system and gives you too much control over our choice of candidates. I would very much like an explanation of why you chose Radfield as your rival candidate over other players. Secondly, wow are you stressing the fact detective needs to check you. I understand that determining alignment of mayoral positions is crucial, but you are leaving out the fact that: 1) more than one detective will likely check you since they aren't coordinated effectively nullifing the town investigative power d1, 2) you could be godfather and then claim pr with occulumency d2, and 3) presence of Mafia busdriver. I propose alternative plan. Below is the player list: Subversion Jugan stormtemplar Jayme acrossfivejulys johnnyspazz lakrismamma Radfield LuDwig- JeeJee Hesmyrr YellowInk ~OpZ~ zeks ~Roffles DCLXVI ElyAs Thegilaboy LaXerCannon Amber[LighT] Abenson The person with investigative powers in red tag investigate MoM The person with investigative powers in green tag investigate pardoner The person with investigative powers in blue tag investigate someone else. Much harder to counter, I think. ~OpZ~ and Amber[light] voted for Radfield. zeks and AcrossFiveJulys voted for Amber[LighT] Casual question to ~OpZ~... If you don't like Radfield, why are you voting for him? Actually what you're proposing to do role checks is what I had in mind. Either that or if you are within five players of myself (1 below, 4 above) and you can role check to role check me. This will lower the possibility of overlap, but doesn't guarantee it. From there what we could do is a player cushion style. So what you do is if you are a detective then check the person above OR below you. If you stumble upon a death eater then IMMEDIATELY come forward. In future nights we will have a protection schedule set up like the detective schedule for Day 1. I was also trying to think of a reason to block your thoughts for a night, but it really won't benefit us as much, especially if players are coming forward if they find DE's. We also don't know how many times a player can use "x" spell... I'm pretty sure BM gave number maximums since it would be a bit imba if the DE's can use the AK curse an infinite amount of times. Now this also goes back to the idea of role blockers as well. To avoid role blocking the detectives we should have the MoM, the Pardoner and the other candidates be role blocked. If any of these players are detectives they should let us know as soon as possible. What we can do is place medic (episky) on them so they can do a thought check, if they're actually able to. The role blockers will actually prevent spells, good or bad, for the night. It doesn't guarantee that they're not DE's, but it allows for the detectives to do their work without being blocked. Also how does the bodyguard role work? Are they just protecting other players at random, if any in this game? And I believe it is possible for detectives to have red or blue spells. I think the idea of the spells being colored is just to show whether the spell was actually "bad" or "good" in terms of the books. We also need to decide on potential lynch targets. Right now we have a few people who are inactive so they should be considered FIRST. People like Abenson, should start posting since being quiet is not helpful. | ||
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On June 23 2010 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote: The candidates definitely should propose plans, but it is in equal responsibility of the players to find faults and pitfalls as much as possible- and question the proposer to see if the weakness in the plan is unintentional or deliberate. The way you countered by building upon the plan - cushion style method for blue tag players - has alleviated my suspicion quite a lot, but I still want to hear about how you pulled out Radfield's name, and why. If this plan continues you and Radfield are guaranteed to be either MoM/Governor; which is something one should definitely be held accountable for should the future unfold peachy. Radfield and I were really the first two to start pushing against each other. Our discussions are more-or-less aligned at this point and we can probably equally bring the town to victory. I'm engaging Radfield as a candidate on my own, he did not ask me to do this. I believe that if we properly organize our efforts we can start eliminating players. I feel like if there was one other player that needed to be checked ASAP it would be him, especially if he's going to be AFK from the game. It's my fear that players use the AFK line to say they won't be around much, but they flip red in the end. It's also important to gauge his power in this game (ie the spells he could have). I will still run on my own if Radfield doesn't feel like he wants the position as pardoner. Like I said I think I can function much better as the MoM so we need to make sure the votes are in line to have myself as no. 1, and radfield as no. 2. | ||
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On June 23 2010 05:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Noticed Radfield suddenly got a lot more votes.... Possible scum gamble to give Radfield mayor? Dun Dun Duuuuuuun THey're not only more votes, but they're votes from people who have no reasoning. Lol @ Abenson reading everything in 5 minutes and now having a "grasp" on the game, and at the same time voting for Radfield... nothing against him it's just the people that are voting for him are looking scummy | ||
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On June 23 2010 06:18 Hesmyrr wrote: I'll be comfortable with town pushing YellowInk or Roffles as replacement candidate, but you guys gotta be fast. I would also like obligatory explanation post coming in this thread when someone casts his/her vote. In fact can someone make a list dividing players into 'explained vote / unexplained vote'? I would do it myself, but I don't have any time today from now. Working on it. Give me a few... | ||
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Subversion - No Vote Jugan - No Vote stormtemplar - No Vote Jayme - Amber[LighT] + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 01:57 Jayme wrote: It would make no sense if the town didn't have at least some of the "red" spells. I think the only actual difference between the blue spell and the red spells is only the "moral compass" aspect of it. The town would be extraordinarily weak without a legilimancer at all. Someone with occlumency can block that obviously but if this game is themed based on actual book events the number of people that should have occlumency is very very small. I don't see why people wouldn't have multiple spells. I'm voting for Amber[Light] for now. He's really the only candidate that has any plan what so ever that we can follow through so at least we have some sort of direction to go once twilight/night hits. Anything is better than running around without heads on straight. acrossfivejulys - Amber[LighT] Nominated me... + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 00:04 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Well if you'd taken the time to read my original post nominating amber, you'd see that I said (at a time where not much about players was known) that he seemed to be posting pro town, analyzing the rules and such. On June 22 2010 03:22 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I'll go ahead and nominate amber[light] for mayor since he seems to be talking sense at this point. I'd suggest not to nominate radfield because frankly he played pretty badly and was inactive for long stretches last game. Amber, why don't you post a plan you'd carry out as mayor, including first lynch? On June 22 2010 23:52 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I'm voting amber[light]. I'm a little worried about him because he is insisting that he be role checked when he could hypothetically be the godfather. Still, though, he seems like the best candidate. johnnyspazz - Amber[LighT] + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 06:43 johnnyspazz wrote: well darnit, if i change my vote from amber to you yellow, then radfield wins MoM and no one wants that sorry yellowink lakrismamma - Amber[LighT] + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 17:26 lakrismamma wrote: Where did you read that the busdriver cant comunicate with mafia? I could only find "The bus driver can be mafia, town, or 3rd party." I think you are right about the Minister is to well protected to attack though. Also since it is getting closer to election and someones gotta be first im going to vote for Amber[LighT] he has the clearest (only?) plan so far and seems like a good leader. Radfield - Radfield + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 03:52 Radfield wrote: @hesmyrr This is exactly why I nominated you. You just called upon like 6 people to clarify and back-up their posts. You make good quality posts, and are active in a great way. You played hard for your 'team'(townies) in callers game, and played well. @roffles: We do actually need to start discussing the lynch, because the day ends in 4-5 hours. Unless you feel confident that the mayor will make the proper decision I'm fine being the Pardoner. I can certainly guarantee that I won't pardon anyone. Also, to clarify my activity levels: I will be active in the thread, and I'll be actively following everything that's going on. I just can't devote a ton of time to searching through posts hunting for mafia. I will still be doing this, but not to the extent I would like(It's not like I'm just going to go AFK this game). Whomever gets elected as mayor, DOES need to be doing this though, and needs to be actively leading the town. I think Amber[light] so far seems like a good candidate, Yellowink would probably also do a good job (Hesmyrr would probably do a good job as well, but he has a shaky schedule). I will vote for myself for the moment(in an effort to be pardoner), but I'll definitely change my vote to Amber[light] if needed to ensure he gets mayor. I think he's the best candidate. Also, checking both mayor and pardoner is a good idea, as it gives a measure of credibility to the pair(they can't both be godfather). However, here is BM's quote on Legilimancy: I don't think we'll be getting quite as accurate results as we are assuming. Seems like we get more of a clue as to the persons identity, then any kind of alignment check. If this is the case, it may be more difficult to determine alignment than previously thought, and depending on how familiar one is with the books, you might need to post the 'thoughts' into the thread. LuDwig- - No Vote JeeJee - No Vote Hesmyrr - Roffles Was challenging me from the start, no biggie though + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 00:06 Hesmyrr wrote: Another strike against amber[light] argument. To my knowledge MoM goes to one with highest vote, and Governor to one with second highest vote. Does not that mean he is singlehandedly determining who is going to sit in ALL mayoral positions? Really? At least try to divide the town into three camps so we as a town have some choice in who to knock off. YellowInk, you just softclaimed for the pr position. ...Eh. On June 23 2010 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote: The candidates definitely should propose plans, but it is in equal responsibility of the players to find faults and pitfalls as much as possible- and question the proposer to see if the weakness in the plan is unintentional or deliberate. The way you countered by building upon the plan - cushion style method for blue tag players - has alleviated my suspicion quite a lot, but I still want to hear about how you pulled out Radfield's name, and why. If this plan continues you and Radfield are guaranteed to be either MoM/Governor; which is something one should definitely be held accountable for should the future unfold peachy. On June 23 2010 06:18 Hesmyrr wrote: I'll be comfortable with town pushing YellowInk or Roffles as replacement candidate, but you guys gotta be fast. I would also like obligatory explanation post coming in this thread when someone casts his/her vote. In fact can someone make a list dividing players into 'explained vote / unexplained vote'? I would do it myself, but I don't have any time today from now. YellowInk - YellowInk Doesn't like the Amber/Radfield ticket, I'm not going to quote everything on this page... ~OpZ~ - Amber[LighT] + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 01:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: Town has to be able to use some of those red spells imo. Also, some townie roles clearly would be able to. I don't think Aurors are just body guards, prob DT and Vig capable too. They're are prob plenty of med/roleblockers...It's a themed game, and almost every themed game (see any of callers/aces games that are themed) we have on TL is overly filled with roles. I'm not voting YellowInk. He has one decent post, and I demand more. Better statement of his own plans. I feel he should be investigated and atleast one other person who threw support (Not Johnnyspazz). Oh and... Aww, sorry, did you get butt hurt by my calling you out? Did it get you to post? I think so. That's the whole point. Draw attention to the stragglers. Make them think they'll die and they come and make decent posts. Good Job. And look, I probably just taught you something? Sheesh. Atleast now you won't be killed for inactivity. Now onward to more pressing matters! Don't go into game set up. It's always reasonable to assume atleast one detective role is in the game. So yes. We have a role check to work with. Probably quite a few. Now about that role check...will we see results? Possibly, possibly not. Dude investigating could die, dude being investigated could die, person investigating might not ever post findings. It's all ifs. We can't just assume they will be posted. I like him more than you (not that I don't actually like you, ThreeKingdoms you were my buddy!). I'm actually planning on changing my vote still, and you had the same idea as me with Roffles, but I don't know if Roffles can scum find...I know Radfield can...But I learned my lesson from the game I was modkilled for. I was active, except the last day, and missed my vote. Radfield ALSO said he doesn't have as much time to dedicate to the game, (As I've pointed out) so I don't really feel he should be a mayor or pardoner. And Amber voting for Radfield (Amber trying to be pardoner?). How does that sound to you Hes? =( zeks - Amber[LighT] + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 23:44 zeks wrote: Voted Amber[LighT] cause he stepped up and asked. In this setup where we can check elected positions I do feel a little more at ease. I PMed BM about whether we're allowed to mass name-claim..I still want to know if we can do it because it puts us in a better position with limited repercussions. (Although I would agree somewhat that a mass name claim would be kinda imba) Roffles - No Vote DCLXVI - Roffles + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 23:42 DCLXVI wrote: Do we have a detective? The role list says Detective: See Legilimency and Occlumency. Legilimency is listed as a mafia spell. From the way medic is defined (see episky, a blue spell) it seems that there is no actual detective that can role check. Also, can people have multiple spells? Occlumency seems kind of useless unless people can have multiple spells. I am not sure why the mafia would want to try to find out everyone's character. Obviously they would like to know who harry is so they don't kill him, but other than that it only seems to help them guess at blue roles, maybe. (this is assuming that the mafia already have a safe name list) So is it true that only mafia get the red spells and only townies get the blue spells? I am not sure what to think about Amber[light] right now, he seems like a good player but until I get a clarification on spell rules I cannot make a guess at his role. Now that YellowInk is here I feel more secure in voting for him or radfield. Radfield may be the better choice just because he sort of didn't want the role because he doesn't think that he will be active. That is either a good ploy or he is thinking for the better of the town; I think that it is more likely a townie sort of play. I have no idea about Hesmyrr. @opz So far I have only seen 1 good post out of you too, I just don't spam the thread like you do to seem active. ElyAs - No Vote Thegilaboy - Radfield + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 05:20 Thegilaboy wrote: Hey everyone, back from another fun day at work. I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for Radfield. The guy definitely seems to have a grasp on the game, and with all of the crazy spells and roles in this particular game, we need somebody like him to sort through the muck and the mire. Plus I support his notion of lynching the relatively inactive players, those just trying to skate by. And with that, I'm off for a bit of a bike ride. Oh and about the whole red/blue spells, it would seem that town has to have some access to red spells, what with DT's and Vigs alone. Seems we would have a very difficult game ahead of us if we had our hands tied from using those at all. LaXerCannon - Amber[LighT] + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 05:51 LaXerCannon wrote: To me, Amberlight looks active and I have a gut feeling he'll be easy to read as protown or not when he gets into office. Amber[LighT] - Radfield Vote padding... that's really the reason I threw my vote on Radfield. 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There's no way you're a blue role if you're trying to fight with another player. It would be more likely that a non-voter would hold a spell useful to the town... and you actually (sort of) claimed green, so it wouldn't be a terrible hit otherwise... If you read my post on you (above) the only vote support post you made was that you feel secure voting for Radfield, but you voted for Roffles? Not only that you don't even seem to know the rules enough to continue playing. If you read what other posters said about the spells (going back to the post I quoted above) you would already be on the same page. Feel's more like we're dragging you along at this point and you're somehow still not getting it. Truthfully Abenson should be dead since he made no effort to justify his post. This would show us two other players' roles potentially (Radfield and thegilaboy). Then again JeeJee also ninja-voted... after being so useful in this discussion (/sarcasm). JeeJee should also be considered seriously... | ||
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On June 23 2010 01:10 Bill Murray wrote: 6 hours 20 minutes until elections are over shouldn't the vote be over? Gotta get pizza but im making sure no scum decides to alter the votes | ||
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On June 23 2010 07:32 Thegilaboy wrote: And what role of mine would that show? I'm actually strongly considering changing my vote, after thinking about this whole double ticket sort of deal. YellowInk has a cleaner grasp it seems, and he is against the entire double running thing (like me). So yeah, going to be switching my vote now, but I was just curious as to what role you think that would reveal. Depends on what Abenson flipped. Red would have make you a candidate for an investigation, anything else would keep you safe for the moment. If you're going to switch go for it. I don't really care who's the governor... the second they pardon we're going to be suspicious. Once you raise the red flags it's going to only stall mafia (potentially) for an extra day, so it's only as strong as the person who's behind the position makes it. With that said the votes 4-4 between radfield and YI... if I move my vote then YI is the governor... any last suggestions? | ||
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On June 23 2010 07:40 Jugan wrote: How so? You're not supposed to PM outside of game. That's true... he said he can view the thread regularly anyway. | ||
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On June 23 2010 07:43 DCLXVI wrote: @opz I called you dumb or mafia. You spammed the thread with useless posts and then called for other people to post more content, and I responded to that. I hoped that other people might pick up on that but apparently not. You may think that your "ploy" to get people like me to post more worked because you may have done nothing on fathers day, but that doesn't mean other people don't have commitments on holidays. Even so, you should say such bullshit as: two possibilities being you are dumb, or you are mafia accusing others for their lack of content while you posted nothing. @amber so 1/10 odds are better than 5(?)/20... if you read my post then you would understand... and finally please point out to me where BM clarified the rules on the spells. I brought up the discussion on spells because I felt that the original discussion was dropped too quickly and without sufficient reason. BM did say he had no idea if the game was balanced so I did not think that any assumptions about how the spells would be allocated should be guaranteed. Apparently you know how spells work so you probably have at least one, and you have to drag me along because I was not told how they were used in a pm. are you done with the stereotypical last resort post? You're getting pretty defensive pretty quickly over the things that Opz and I are saying, and I really don't know why... since you asked anyway... It's also a common mafia tactic to flood the thread with rule discussion, constantly going over the nitty-gritty of the rules and roles... this keeps discussion away from whats important, like electing a good candidate... Do you wish to continue? | ||
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On June 23 2010 07:50 Jugan wrote: Amber, in the post I quoted from you - were you saying that you were a mason? Just checking, because there was a little ambiguity there. no | ||
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We need these inactives to step up and post. If you think you are safe because you have spells you should get the idea out of your head that you're special and you do not need to post. This game is going to require activity from everybody. Now with that said I'm pretty sure that the auror was not protecting me, but to be sure we can run through the hypothetical.... 1. He didn't live so the 50% part is out. 2. Either myself or he would have been killed (25%), this is possible. 3. Both of us would have died... Couldn't happen since I'm still alive 4. He was targeted on his own, most likely Conditions 2 and 4 are the only possible scenarios. I think it's more likely that he was targeted on his own since there was such a slim chance that the 2nd condition was met AND then after a roll between myself and the auror resulted in the auror being killed. That doesn't mean it didn't happen though. Thegilaboy was a dayvig... so was he able to cast AK during the day? He didn't really leave much of a paper trail other than the fact that he voted for Radfield. The only correlation I made with him and radfield and one other player was the odd push for votes. To be honest I'm more interested in this YellowInk vote party that went on. In the last 6 or so hours of the day there was a bandwagon of voters that almost took the Pardoner (AND MOM) position. Here is yesterdays vote list. You should pick people who are on the SAME LIST. (Note this includes people who voted after the deadline) Amber[LighT] Amber[LighT] JohnnySpazz AcrossFiveJulys Lakrismamma Zeks Jayme Radfield Abenson JeeJee JeeJee Radfield Roffles Hesmyrr YellowInk YellowInk ~OpZ~ Subversion (didnt count) Stormtemplar (didnt count) Jugan Elyas People who did not vote: LuDwig- Roffles | ||
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If you didn't do that, you're not helping... and you should step forward immediately if you were a town-aligned player who killed someone. I'm also assuming no one did any checks and found a DE? We will also come up with another list of names to be checked. | ||
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Be careful with your analysis and PLEASE cite specific posts if you're going to draw conclusions. And let's not flame each other. The analysis placed on players should be objective, so the players getting analyzed should not get their ego's taken down a notch because someone's cross analyzing play. If you guys don't mind it might be best for me to take the players that did not vote at all (Roffles and Ludwig-). I have to work (like actual work, not the "work" where I sit on TL all day and post lol). Expect something tonight by me. Other players should begin posting in my absence... I'll be watching the thread and responding if I need to ^_^ | ||
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On June 24 2010 23:00 lakrismamma wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to investigate people on the other lists then the one you are on. This to prevent mafia from investigating eachother if they now had one candidate they wanted elected? Or am I missing something? I mean when you pick two people to investigate.. make sure that they are BOTH on the same list. You should not be picking people that are on the SAME list as you... and there can be overlap in analysis... that's encouraged actually. sorry for the confusion. | ||
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Ludwig Recent Posts: + Show Spoiler + LOL there are none, what a shock! No seriously here's his last posts: On June 21 2010 20:08 LuDwig- wrote: Hello everyone and welcome to this game I am going to read extenzevely the rules (it seems quite differetn from previous mafia game) Which is the role of a mayor? On June 22 2010 19:58 LuDwig- wrote: You forgot me i ahve posted little too but i have really some problems understanding how this game will works. I suppose that having so many roles make roleclaiming too difficult too manage. How can we understand if somebody is lying? :|However the post voting thread now is for mayor. I don't know if he's playing like an idiot or if his internet has been disconnected. I can't even find a recent post aside from those two ANYWHERE on the site. As far as activity goes his is the worst in this game. He needs to do something, but I guess his fates in BM's hands, not ours for now. Roffles: Posts of Interest: On June 22 2010 10:39 Roffles wrote: I'm personally on board with either Radfield or Amber[Light] as well. Both have seemed to reason out legitimate opinions, but not too farfetched ideas that could possibly lead to a massive landslide. I personally think a more conservative approach to things will lead to the safest play possible. As for Amber[Light]'s second approach, I think it's a decent one, only if everyone approaches it in the same manner. If you have a couple stragglers not on board, then everything goes down the drain, and huge casualties will occur. Side Note: Traitor screams Severus Snape. Lucius Malfoy has always been a Death Eater. Snape's intentions were never clear until the seventh book really. But we never know, cause we don't have a list. On board with the Amber/Radfield combo. On June 22 2010 12:10 Roffles wrote: You gonna save us all? Or are you just a puppet like Thicknesse was in Book 7? =O Anyways, name claiming sounds fine for now, but I fear it won't really do anything. There are a lot of obscure characters in HP that Mafia can nameclaim. But for now, it's better than nothing since they could slip and give an invalid character or one that's already occupied or whatnot. Like above, the discussion over name-claiming resulted in Roffles being for the plan. It's not really anything conclusive since at this point I still feel like it was a wishy-washy decision. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 00:38 Roffles wrote: I think we should be more focused right now upon mayoral elections and each plan going forth from here on out. Lynching can wait a day. First things first with these elections. I want to see platforms from both major candidates who are planning on pursuing MoM, and from there we can criticize each plan and make amends before jumping to conclusions without much substance. My one hesitation about this game is that there are a lot of random variables that we don't know about, such as which roles exist and which abilities exist, which makes planning from now on rather difficult to coordinate. But a general plan should be devised so we can work with a base. Btw, Abenson probably just needs a PM to get him kickstarted. Just keeping this post for reference... nothing really of substance... + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2010 05:48 Roffles wrote: What's with the edits? Anyways, since I missed voting thanks to Comcast, I'll pick out the last couple from the YI voters and give my opinions on them so I can try to see why they hopped on the YI board at the last second. Gonna start with Jugan + Show Spoiler [List of relevant posts by Jugan] + On June 24 2010 12:06 Jugan wrote: Perhaps only those with night actions know? For example say a medic saved someone, maybe only the medic, the death eater, and that person know. Only thing I picked up was a slight hint of him showing how the game mechanics work, as he hints that possibly only those with night actions know whether or not everyone with a night ability has performed it already. Actually, after further reading of his posts, I've come to the conclusion that he's pretty much Flamewheel 2.0, littering with a ton of irrelevant posts, such as "Damn, there goes my favorite Weasley"... Haven't seen anything useful from Jugan. Why'd he vote for YI? Not a fucking clue at all. Elyas 2nd game of Mafia. On board with sponsoring a mayor. Likes the aggressive playstyle of YI, voted because of one previous Mafia game with YI. Wants a rolecheck on MoM. Didn't like Amber or Radfield, so voted YI. Against inactives. From what I see of Elyas, his main logic of detecting mafia lies within the simple aspect of comparisons in between games. To see whether or not the posting quality dips, or any slight behavior don't correspond between the two games. However, as stated, this is only his second game of mafia, so whether or not he'll be able to pick up on the slight differences is highly questionable. From what I see, if Player X is Townie in game 1, there's no way he'll be able to know how said player is going to act in this game, even if he's a townie. Certain players have various approaches towards each game, and let's not even talk about if Player X is a mafia. Then there's absolutely no way he'll be able to draw a conclusion as to how that player is going to act this game. But to sum up what I've determined, I just find it highly suspicious of Jugan to hop on the YI train without any substance. If you sift through his previous posts, he gave absolutely no indication as to any affiliation whatsoever, but just voted for YI towards the end. I can sort of see why Elyas hopped on board with YI, but that might simply be because he knows YI's style from a previous game. Lack of reasoning behind the votes, and thus, we're still left in the dark. Thank you. I read the post but I'm really tired I need to go through all of the posts after today again tomorrow. Attitude Roffles.. Attitude lol... | ||
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On June 23 2010 00:00 Hesmyrr wrote: I propose alternative plan. Below is the player list: The person with investigative powers in red tag investigate MoM The person with investigative powers in green tag investigate pardoner The person with investigative powers in blue tag investigate someone else. Okay now I don't know how this panned out last night, but lets use the same colors, but now you will investigate someone within the same color lines. DO NOT investigate Radfield or myself. I am assuming we were both checked. As for the blue we won't know who they checked, if anyone is there at all... however if you are able to read minds please pick someone within your color lines and do it. Protection and role blocking.... if you are capable of protecting you should protect yourself. We don't have enough information to say who you _SHOULD_ be protecting. Role-blocking is a bit more difficult since we could accidentally block players who are protecting themselves or those who are checking other players. So the following players should have been blocked: Myself Radfield Any other candidates I was not blocked... so there has to be two or less role blockers... or people did not listen. I'm wondering if we should stack role blocking on one player to see if there are any role blocking players... suggestions? | ||
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On June 25 2010 10:48 Thegilaboy wrote: Hey we had a wicked storm yesterday that uprooted trees and everything around here as well. You in the Chicago land area? Probably not but worth a shot to see lol As for Ludwig, looks like the guy is going to get modkilled unfortunately. He seems so incredibly out of the loop that it's almost not worth looking at him anymore, like you saidMetro NYC area actually Also Roffles I forgot to ask this... if you were to vote for someone who would you have voted for? If I missed it in a recent post I apologize in advance. | ||
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On June 25 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: what do you mean by this? also i don't like your habit of opening posts with an excuse for inactivity, seems odd to me. It's not really inactivity... it's just I promised to post something when I got out of work and I really couldn't... I started to on my phone and I live in a perma-dead zone... go figure AT&T | ||
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On June 25 2010 11:50 johnnyspazz wrote: whatever forget the second half of my post i don't remember any plan to block you and radfield. can you please point to the post where this is stated? i must've missed it. here: On June 23 2010 00:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: Actually what you're proposing to do role checks is what I had in mind. Either that or if you are within five players of myself (1 below, 4 above) and you can role check to role check me. This will lower the possibility of overlap, but doesn't guarantee it. From there what we could do is a player cushion style. So what you do is if you are a detective then check the person above OR below you. If you stumble upon a death eater then IMMEDIATELY come forward. In future nights we will have a protection schedule set up like the detective schedule for Day 1. I was also trying to think of a reason to block your thoughts for a night, but it really won't benefit us as much, especially if players are coming forward if they find DE's. We also don't know how many times a player can use "x" spell... I'm pretty sure BM gave number maximums since it would be a bit imba if the DE's can use the AK curse an infinite amount of times. Now this also goes back to the idea of role blockers as well. To avoid role blocking the detectives we should have the MoM, the Pardoner and the other candidates be role blocked. If any of these players are detectives they should let us know as soon as possible. What we can do is place medic (episky) on them so they can do a thought check, if they're actually able to. The role blockers will actually prevent spells, good or bad, for the night. It doesn't guarantee that they're not DE's, but it allows for the detectives to do their work without being blocked. Also how does the bodyguard role work? Are they just protecting other players at random, if any in this game? And I believe it is possible for detectives to have red or blue spells. I think the idea of the spells being colored is just to show whether the spell was actually "bad" or "good" in terms of the books. We also need to decide on potential lynch targets. Right now we have a few people who are inactive so they should be considered FIRST. People like Abenson, should start posting since being quiet is not helpful. No one spoke up, so I was assuming this was okay.... | ||
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On June 25 2010 18:53 lakrismamma wrote: Im off for the midsummer party. -sorry I didnt have time for post analysis. Im back on Sunday hope you catch some scums by then! wtf dude? did you want to be lynched? | ||
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On June 26 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote: The lakrismamma bandwagon sucks. I'm surprised people like ~OpZ~, Amber[Light], and Thegilaboy are voting for this assuming they are actually town. They should know better. +2 scummy points for each of you. I think LuDwig- is a much better target if you want to go after inactives. There are no modkill rules in place. Though if BM is looking for a replacement for LuDwig-, maybe that'll do. I would agree with the sentiment that it's probably better to try to find red than go after inactives only if we are going to trust that BM is going to moderate inactivity. However, it's really hard to find red when there's 15 pages of game and 21 players, even if 3 of them are already dead. Considering this game lagged before even getting started due to insufficient interest to fill BM's roster, I'm voting LuDwig- unless he becomes active or replaced, or something sufficiently red turns up. Also, I couldn't find a deadline for the day. Does it end at 10:05 June 26? I voted as a placeholder. I was anticipating changing my vote depending on how the discussion turned today. I agree we should avoid touching the inactive players (the really inactive ones). Let BM deal with them by replacing them etc. and we will focus on who we have. Just to clarify Ludwig- DID IN FACT POST after the game started. Check my analysis post a couple of pages back. The thing is I genuinely believe his internet access has been cut, because I stated I couldn't even find a recent post of his on TL, except for this thread. I don't know how I feel about lynching Radfield or YellowInk. How much information will that really provide? There were three bandwagon voting patterns that occurred. In fact one of the bandwagoners turned out to be a blue (ffs!!!) It's not a really fair assumption to say "well if we lynch x and he turns up red, then everybody who bandwagoned for x must also be red." I agree that it's incredibly suspicious that there was a vote bandwagon for Radfield (that really wasn't so much of a bandwagon), but one of those bandwagoners was ALSO blue. And it's understandable how there was this push for YI at the end because of the suspicion that radfield and I are in cahoots with some epic mafia plan. We need to make a differentiation between people who are inactive and people who are not trying. The person who is doing the least effort should be lynched today. The problem is we need to establish whether lynching said target will open up clues elsewhere. | ||
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IF YOU WERE A DT AND SEARCHED FOR SOMEONE AND DISCOVERED A SHADY CHARACTER..... ..maybe now is the time to come forward? We can't guarantee you will be safe for another night and we need to get these clues analyzed, especially if you're having trouble figuring out who the characters are. | ||
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On June 26 2010 07:31 YellowInk wrote: As an additional note, even if I weren't voting zeks, voting Abenson does not fit with Radfield's plan. Going after Abenson at the beginning of the day makes sense to pressure him to talk. Going after Abenson at the end of the day is likely ambush bandwagoning a townie. I completely agree with this, so I'm not going to vote Abenson... however at the same time we did put pressure on him twice, and he has REFUSED to post anything. I feel bad voting for zeks, but we might gain more information based upon who targets him. Voting for Abenson will just literally rid us of another townie, if anything. There's little risk and absolutely little reward with this choice. | ||
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Meds should protect themselves Roleblockers should know what to do (check a few pages back) | ||
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On June 27 2010 22:41 Hesmyrr wrote: Bah, the thing I wanted to happen happened, but not really gl town! Get those darn Death Eaters. @ Mod: I know the way I could have died without netting a kill and is aware I am not supposed to reveal it, but can you at least do some clarification on PGO itself? If DE being protected by medic targets me, does that DE die or not? This scenario should not have happened. The medics should have been protecting themselves, if possible. There's no way a DE could protect himself AND kill within the same night.... unless another DE is able to protect as well? | ||
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On June 28 2010 01:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Yep, as opz and radfield have just gone back and forth about, something extremely fishy has just happened. JeeJee claimed he was going to reveal information, then claimed he found nagini but didn't give a name. Then, opz said he "agreed with JeeJee that lakrismam should be lynched" before JeeJee said any such thing. We better hear a good explanation for why this is happening. We are already losing, and lynching another town aligned and suffering another night would put us into an almost unwinnable position it seems. If JeeJee/Opz are mafia (it seems like a possibility since they must have communicated by PM), lakris seems like the perfect target since he's not here to defend himself. I'm not about to vote for lakris until I hear a truthful explanation from you two. If you ARE indeed detectives, death eaters will be going after you tonight anyway (and meds can cover you), so you might as well tell the town what happened. This. We've been saying this from the beginning that if you know something to just come forward. We're going to make sure you are protected. It would be foolish for a DE to target a DT if we're making sure you are okay. If anything that risks them wasting an AK (depending on how their spells worked). I'll keep my vote on Lakrismamma since he was supposed to die yesterday.. but we need an explanation. | ||
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On June 28 2010 17:52 lakrismamma wrote: Sorry guys that I was unactive. Not much I could do about the lynch by the time I got back yesterday so I didnt make a alaborate defence. Im just not sure you realise how big of a deal midsummer is in Sweden. Good luck everyone gooo Death eaters =) Apparently more important than being a death eater? Blasphemy! | ||
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It can really work both ways, and I figured we were in night mode, but BM never said not to speak | ||
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On June 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: Whichever one is alive in the day, Day vig the other one. I suspect YI could be voldy, so we gotta find the horcrux. Anyone with an investigative role, or spell, post in thread and come out. We gotta find the hidden horcrux now. I'm expecting one of me and JeeJee to be dead. Or maybe amber...Amber just cuz he's here often and has 2.5 votes (which is how Lakris died!!) I have no legit info on YI other than my post earlier. Spazz was okay with killing him, so I'm not sure about him. But the talk of it kinda went down. Now, my biggest case against spazz (didn't he nominate YI?), and he was completely against lynching Lakris day 2, and Spazz voted for YI day 3? I'm not going to go over YI again, but here is some evidence... Also don't worry i can't die tonight. | ||
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On June 29 2010 09:18 Abenson wrote: yay, this must be a new record. YellowInk casts protego on himself That can't possible have happened. | ||
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On June 29 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I seriously regret asking abenson to announce his kill. but still, the fact that YI didn't die is insanely fishy. i doubt a town medic would protect him, since they have no real way of knowing whether he's town (and he's been suspicious). i doubt he protected himself, otherwise he would have said so right? something like "don't waste your shot on me, I'm a medic and will protect myself if you do". It seems obvious that YI is either a death eater or a mason (a mason medic may have protected him). I roleblocked him last night, so he couldn't possibly protect himself | ||
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1. Why would I not come forward about role blocking you when Abensons hit missed? 2. No medic has come forward to say that they protected you, so you can't even vouch for legit protection. | ||
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Night 1: I roleblocked Radfield Night 2: I didn't pick a target Night 3: I roleblocked YellowInk If Radfield had a night action it would have not worked. Regardless, that was the plan I proposed from DAY 1 & I stuck with it. | ||
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First off sorry I sleep at night.. Second off YellowInk you can sit here and pull the wool over everyone's eyes, but this powerplay won't work, and I'm not about to let it. 3 people just got killed so the town is really going to suffer. You think that lynching ME is a good idea? I've been pro-town the whole game. I made my votes according to what was provided in the thread, nothing more. I told people how they should use their DT/Med/RB powers for each of the night phases, yah I kinda effed up on night one, but we picked up a better strategy come day 2. I'm not going to post my PM's with BM because that's suicide, but like I said in a previous post I am a role blocker. N1: Radfield N2: Random (I didn't get to send in a block in time) N2: YellowInk The only reason BM hasn't come in to correct a possible mistake is that you were clearly protected by another DE last night. I know what I did. You want an explanation about my role? Well you're not about to get that much info that easily, but I'll clue you in: I am a pro-town role. I can cast Expelliarmus EVERY NIGHT, my choice or random if I forget to send one out. Do you guys really think it would be logical for me to come forward and say that I role blocked someone who should have died when they casted a spell on themselves? I know what I did and aside from sending the PM to you guys to get killed by the mod I don't know what else you could want. YellowInk this was a clever ploy to get the town to take down the MoM, and with this play the town will be doomed. OpZ, Elyas, Roffles, be logical in this decision. Would I really come forward to protect ABENSON, a person I have personally been gunning for since DAY 1, if I didn't have valuable information? | ||
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I'm voting for YellowInk, and I suggest any pro-town and 3rd party players do the same. | ||
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These players should be on check: On June 29 2010 10:48 YellowInk wrote: Vote: Amber[Light] On June 29 2010 13:24 johnnyspazz wrote: Vote: Amber[Light] On June 29 2010 13:32 Thegilaboy wrote: Vote: Amber[Light] I'm not stupid.. I see what you are all trying to do here. | ||
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On June 29 2010 21:29 whatchamacallit wrote: good luck amber!!! Thanks babe sorry abensons newb ass got you modkilled + Show Spoiler + jk <3 for abenson, you made the right move... the town will prevail! | ||
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On June 29 2010 21:44 Jayme wrote: The fact that they used one on you doesn't bother me. The fact that you got double tapped...THAT bothers me. Either one of them is full of shit or you just got double tapped with 2 day vig spell that are most certainly a one shot only deal. Well I have two lives, so throwing AK's around like this was stupid. I wasn't trying to let the death eaters know so they should try to take out the aurors and waste time. Hope you guys are aware of who you killed. | ||
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On June 29 2010 21:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: JeeJee's wasn't bolded, so I'm not sure if his counts. His counting could be MILDLY important. xD No offense, but you guys need me to stay alive for the bonus town votes. If they kill just a few more people they will have control. I'm the last vote block they have to go through. I'm trusting you to make the best choices Opz. I've kinda been trusting you the whole time to make the best choices and I've stuck with just about every vote choice you made. If I die don't mess this up | ||
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On June 29 2010 22:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: Bellatrix should be the other person alive for the DE's....I think...Her and voldy. We still haven't found the hidden Horcrus, so Mr. Potter will you please step your ass forward? sup. I wasn't told I was a horcrus though. | ||
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On June 29 2010 22:27 ElyAs wrote: You said you had two lives, maybe one of these was the Horcrus. We'll find it out when BM will confirm what happened with the day hits. I'm still waiting for the confirmation. That's possible. I was unsure how my "veteran" status worked specifically, it was just a bonus shield in my opinion on top of the MoM position. | ||
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On June 29 2010 23:05 JeeJee wrote: still don't get it are you gonna tell me bill lied about saying that pm was genuine? or what happened to your roleblock either way, amber's dead I'm telling you that I posted a role block. I PMed BM so I'm assuming he got it. Abensons PM claims that he self-protected. The only way for my role block to fail is if YI is VM. If there was an error and my PM was not recorded correctly, I assume BM would have come in to explain the situation. | ||
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On June 30 2010 03:55 JeeJee wrote: also since when did bodyguards affect daykills? but your game i suppose I said I have two lives.... and he said that two AK's would count as one... | ||
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On June 30 2010 03:54 JeeJee wrote: so amber didn't die to avada kedavra i wonder....../hurr | ||
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On June 30 2010 03:58 JeeJee wrote: AK and night kills are different thuogh you can't AK at night Yes you can | ||
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I know you can. Read an earlier post... I asked what my limitations were, so I know how the AK curse could be used. | ||
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On June 30 2010 04:05 JeeJee wrote: which earlier post are you referring to? because i tried killing at night and bill said "nuh-uh, daytime only" It's role-dependent. | ||
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On June 30 2010 04:10 JeeJee wrote: oh whatever, anyway we still didn't see a horcrux pop, wtf is up with that clearly we need to kill amber one more time No don't do that. Is anybody confident as to WHO is actually VM? | ||
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On June 30 2010 04:11 johnnyspazz wrote: i think its you it's not. | ||
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On June 30 2010 04:12 JeeJee wrote: do u have occlumency amber, y/n? No | ||
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On June 30 2010 04:17 johnnyspazz wrote: amber wtf is your connection with radfield? you obviously stated you could talk to him outside the thread early in the game. explain yourself I haven't spoken to him since the election. We've barely intersected in our conversations in-game. I said I would speak to him if he was going to be inactive while the game progressed. | ||
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The question I have for you YI, is are you in fact a medic? Your life is at risk regardless... who are you? | ||
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On June 30 2010 04:31 YellowInk wrote: I did cast protego last night. If that can't be role blocked for some inexplicable reason, this game is even more ridiculously whack. But I think it's fair to say that protego can be role blocked. Note also that this is why I asked you to make a full role claim. The only way that this situation could have occurred with you being town that I can see is that you were placed under an Imperious Curse. This means that the Death Eaters already know all your powers since they got to select from them, so you may as well share it with the town. The forcing of a name claim also allows for a counter claim should you be lying scum. News flash, it can't... BM should confirm this since it's affecting gameplay... | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:10 Radfield wrote: I'm Scrimgeour. I can investigate, but I'm not sure if it's any good or not, as my only successful investigation was useless as far as I can tell. Night one: roleblocked Night two: Yellowink : Came back as this "you bounce on your behind down the street after falling from a window" No clue as to what it means Night Three: roleblocked On June 29 2010 10:51 Amber[LighT] wrote: For the record: Night 1: I roleblocked Radfield Night 2: I didn't pick a target Night 3: I roleblocked YellowInk If Radfield had a night action it would have not worked. Regardless, that was the plan I proposed from DAY 1 & I stuck with it. PROOF I AM NOT LYING. The roleblock did not block protego. BM should explain the mysterious spell triangle that NO ONE knew about, even though we had asked about the AK curse on Day 1... | ||
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On June 30 2010 04:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: Amber, since you're a jack, you're going to protect me tonight (if you live). Yellowink, if you're a medic, your going to protect me. (if you live). If Amber lives and I die, he's mafia. If I live in the morning, his alignment should be easily ascertained. Gilaboy, or myself will know. I say if, because one of you is going to die. Understand if I protect you, I lose the ability to cast the AK curse later. I am still able to cast expelliarmus though | ||
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I don't know a lot about the book, so I'm referring to wiki-entries on the topic | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:47 JeeJee wrote: unfortunately jugan usually posts about 2 hrs from now so we may have to wait a lil while lol well assuming there's no bsing we might have closed in on our final two DE's | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:49 johnnyspazz wrote: can someone tell me what i should do with my vote cause i gotta bounce Abstain. Whoever of the two we think could be VM I can attempt a daykill on. If the kill is successful, then we lynch the other, If the kill is unsuccessful, then the other might be VM. | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:52 Jayme wrote: Or the person you attempted to kill is VM...he still has a hidden horcrux around. Not exactly... | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:59 JeeJee wrote: he did take a hit but i dont know what happened to the horcrux.. did you get a PM from bill saying the horcrux was purged from u or some shit? that's pretty important info.. No. I took a hit, nothing more. I can kill VM without the last horcrux being exposed. | ||
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On June 30 2010 06:05 Abenson wrote: This game is getting more and more epic. we should be thanking you for this | ||
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On June 30 2010 09:07 YellowInk wrote: Idk, he's been reading for two hours. That's an awfully long time. Maybe he has to confer with his team. not to toot our horns, but I think we put on a pretty good show for about 4-5 pages... he probably needed to take in the greatness 3 or 4 times before he gets to page 50 or so when we all start bro hugging it out like nothing happened. | ||
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On June 30 2010 09:12 JeeJee wrote: god this game makes no frigging sense i still can't believe that roleblock doesn't actually roleblock hurrr you should see my inbox lol | ||
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On June 30 2010 12:33 YellowInk wrote: Is your method of verification the AK? Or do you have some other method? I don't think it's likely we'll be able to point and say 'that guy is obviously HWMNBN'. Even if we get it down to most likely being one of two people, we'll still probably miss. Is this going to be especially bad? Pretty much I can guess once and only once who HWMNBN is and if I'm correct, I may post so in the thread... if not the ability is used up and we miss. | ||
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Pro-town players shouldn't kill me though, since if I live we can still go after HWMNBN | ||
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Opz didn't roleclaim at all yesterday, but pretty much got everybody else to roleclaim. Did no one check him last night? It really wouldn't surprise me if he was VM based upon his incredible pro-town efforts. Going back to my point above... maybe the risk of outting his own was worth the reward in this case, and he and JeeJee together were capable of producing this massive lie. That brings us to JeeJee... another player who has not even name claimed. How is it we eliminated players who were being pushed (Jugan) and ended up being pro-town, which was not exactly our fault as we were misled by his own actions? At the same time three players, TGB, JeeJee, and Opz managed to dodge the name claim fiasco because we just assumed they were pro-town. They've all placed themselves within the town rather nicely. Opz has been really active since day 1 and I've trusted him to a larger extent. JeeJee was really inactive up until day 2 or so when Opz started to bring about the Nagini. On the other end of the spectrum... would HWMNBN really sacrifice one of the two horcrux players just to make sure that the town would believe him? | ||
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I think it's really suspicious that we have all of these detectives running about. Two of which are obtaining clues, the other is obtaining roles, and that just doesn't sit right. Want to confirm a list of townies? Take out the Detective that's making claims. No offense to our detectives, but it's been three days and you each have done a number of checks. Let's confirm our detective work. If someone flips red then they are obviously trying to manipulate checks, but it gives us a chance to focus on a list of players left in this game. My target suggestion? TheGilaBoy He's the odd-man out and has a "unique" role that needs confirmation. Think about it. If you lynch me what do you gain? Knowing that you now have to face an uphill battle in lynchings and no auto-kill for HWMNBN. Kill TheGilaBoy and you get to know if his checks are real or just his way of sending us off-course. Also we know YI is a protector. Do you want to risk lynching the last medic in the game? | ||
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On July 03 2010 02:45 YellowInk wrote: Amber[Light], what do you think of ~OpZ~'s ultimate defense being horcrux? I wasn't targeted last night. I think that should throw up a few red flags. I'm not sure if BM would intentionally hide the 2nd horcrux within another character. It seems unlikely as the first horcrux was Nagini, unless Opz is a diary or a cup etc... I just can't sit here and say I completely trust the Opz/JeeJee bandwagon lately as we still haven't been able to lynch a DE since Lakris. I don't want to go out and kill Opz or JeeJee though.... If Opz is in fact a horcrux we should kill him though. If I die then Opz needs to go. You can't kill VM without both horcrux's, but I am able to kill VM without the horcrux being eliminated. I would rather keep us both alive (if he's a horcrux) and try to win with the most town members alive as possible. Opz should not be a suspect on the same level YI and I should not be suspects. | ||
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On July 03 2010 03:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Medic is the role people claim where they won't have to verify their actions. Dontcha know that? -_-... I'm assuming he's a medic since he casted Protego last night, and the role hints pointed towards Neville Longbottom. Why would you AK him?! | ||
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On July 03 2010 03:09 ~OpZ~ wrote: Are you ignoring ME AND JEEJEE "killed" you?! You are either voldemort, or the horcrux died. one or the other. And if you're harry, then the horcrux died. That simple. Has to be...-_- And you have to be Harry...so bleh... -_- Why? I can't just have a veteran power? It was never confirmed that a 2nd horcrux was killed. | ||
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On July 03 2010 03:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: He checked Yink too... Remember, we're thinking he's Naive, but haven't come across another mafia yet.... why don't we pull someone from his list to confirm his claims then, instead of killing YI? | ||
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Lynching radfield seems counter-intuitive to how we've been playing. I don't feel like he's been playing anti-town, and he has never exercised a pardon. Does that mean he can't pull one out soon? Guess not, and if he is a DE then after tonight and/or once I'm gone pardoning will become really powerful. Do we want to keep pardons openly available late-game? | ||
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Nothing against the way you moderated BM, it was a very fun game to play... next time all roles should be listed in the OP. If there's something that the players need to reference on the first post it should be readily available. It's hard to play a game where the rules aren't clearly identified. | ||
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On July 07 2010 02:13 Roffles wrote: Okay Jugan. Whatever you say. I like how you never mentioned my name or Radfield's as a DE. Alrighty. You guys seriously need some MVP awards. I suspected you but not enough to come out and make an accusation. You actually got really lucky that Jugan played like utter shit so when it came down to you and Jugan for the lynch, where Jugan chose to continue to play terribly you weren't considered as a lynch target and suspicion didn't carry over to the next day. Gonna kick my ass over that for a while. And how is it HWMNBN AND HARRY POTTER ended up as the MoM/Pardoner? I'll never trust you again Radfield... | ||
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On July 07 2010 02:27 YellowInk wrote: BM, let me first say that it's fun to have a flavorful game even if it's not perfectly balanced or run. I appreciate that you did this for us and I can see that it took a lot of work to both put this together and to run it. Now I'm going to vent for a moment. Or two. Hopefully the commentary in and discussion following from this post will lead to improved games run by anyone. It's ok to have some roles disclosed and others not, but it should be clearly indicated in the rules. The 'spell triangle' should definitely have been in the OP since you apparantely told Amber[Light] about it at some point. It's ok to have hidden game information if you're stating in the OP that there is hidden information. I could see the game design being like a couple of the experienced wizards know about the triangle and all the kids don't. You could mix in the spell triangle flavor with the role PMs so it looks like you're just explaining it to the experienced wizards without making it seem like a big deal that they should tell everyone else. Then when someone comes out and tries to explain it (like Amber[Light] did), they suddenly realize they have to convince everyone the truth of it (and the mod does NOT step in). If it's a rule that the mod can verify, it needs to be in the OP. Please don't post things that can possibly affect the game - even DTA got railed for wording something in his game that could possibly imply that a random person was receiving a blue role. It's important to be completely clear that any post you are making is not having an impact on gameplay. Most times mod responses need to any queries need to be kept very short and to the point - if even answered at all. This goes for PMs, too. The majority of the posts (and PMs) that you made that weren't day start/end info contained information that affected my knowledge - some dramatically so. I kept the info out of thread as best I could, but it definitely affected some of my decisions. Was Amber[Light] or Radfield choosing the bans? I was really confused with our minister being Harry Potter but making bans that made it more difficult for us to communicate. I think the idea of posting restrictions is cool (and I have used them in games), but if this was just to suit your taste and wasn't something being implemented by someone's mechanic (seems MoM power most obviously), that's pretty arbitrary. Are you referring to the mod bans? I don't believe either of us had any say in that. Also I agree completely about the spell triangle. I actually had a bit of an argument over the spell mechanics as it seemed that there was something no one in the game understood, ie the spell triangle (Protego > Expelliarmus > AK > ...). It's hard for me to sit around and go "BM should explain this further" and nothing happens for almost a day. Also the whole announcing kills was lulzy. I did choose to roleblock TGB just because he used the AK in thread. @ Bill Murray I don't mean to knock you as a mod. You did a good job but it may have helped if you had a co-mod or two to discuss in-game situations so you get a 2nd opinion about certain actions that may be in the "gray area." | ||
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On July 07 2010 02:40 YellowInk wrote: This appears to be a pretty strong community that you can just PM someone who is not involved in the game and just ask for advice. I havn't seen Qatol play, but clearly he's interested in the community and has familiarity with the game and maybe is a good resource for such things. He's probably one of the best hosts for mafia games. Whenever he runs games they typically end up being really smooth and clear. I've seen him play a few games before... he's good. And yah it wouldn't even need to be actual co-hosts, but people who can just view a few things randomly (Flamewheel was reading at least on Day1...) | ||
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On July 07 2010 05:41 Bill Murray wrote: after the abenson catastrophe, i was very impressed with radfield and roffles of course i wanted the town to win, as that's how it happens in the books, and i wanted amber to use the day-expelliarmus he gained to block radfield (which would have ended the game!), but radfield played nearly perfectly, so what can you do the play this game was by far better than my modding i vow to take more time to become a better mod hope you all give me a 2nd chance He's the last person I was planning to use it on. I was convinced he was legit since I roleblocked him N1 and my gf roleblocked him N3 so I had this odd idea that radfield had to be legit, and he was playing that part... not only did I set him up for his own victory :p I was going to use it on Opz or JeeJee, if anyone. They kept gunning for YI and I started to feel bad for the guy. He was getting a lot of shit from Opz and I think if anything YI deserves an apology from the beating Opz gave all game long On July 07 2010 05:08 Jugan wrote: It was quite obvious when you take time to think about your actions roffles. And I posted earlier, I wanted the town to lose also roffles, I never mentioned ANYONE as a death eater. Okay okay I'll just forget that I was the only person you wanted to see dead lollol | ||
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On July 07 2010 09:02 Radfield wrote: Don't forget that I also had Jeejee under the imperius curse So he only could have casted what I wanted him to.I Imperiused him after Jugan got lynched, since I wanted to make sure he investigated YI when he said he was going to. Because if he decided to investigate me or roffles, we would have been in serious trouble. Gilaboy checks me, great even if he's not naive, because I'm a godfather, so I'll flip green. Jeejee checks YI, great because it supports my previous claim of checking YI I Imperius Jeejee to ensure his check, and then claim to have investigated Roffles. That night worked out amazing. Particularly Thegilaboy switching from roffles to me at the last minute. The only people I could kill(since I figured YI and Amber would be protecting themselves) were Jspazz and Jayme. Jayme was basically confirmed by Jugan's death, so it had to be him. Thanks a bunch for modding this Bill. I had a ton of fun as Voldemort. I wish I'd been a bit more creative with my spells though. After you told me I could pretty much cast anything I wanted, I was going to start brainstorming random spells to see if you would let me use them. Particularly 'finite incantatum' to wipe away any protective spells on someone, and 'crucio' just cause it would be fun. Good guess... I used protego that night | ||
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