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On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote: I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : ) | ||
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On June 04 2010 12:28 Korynne wrote: Lol except he was medic in Bang Bang. xD Was he allowed to protect himself? If not that post about like aww I'm probably going to die was probably like a plea for another medic to save him. =P I was just trying to get the mafia to stay away by having them think I would get protected. Worked real well... Also, It's not possible to give a dayvig role to someone with a grudge against me. I don't live long enough to form grudges | ||
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On June 04 2010 20:46 Korynne wrote: Dude not gunna lie, I killed Radfield first night as mafia. Oh I know it | ||
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On June 05 2010 03:00 LunarDestiny wrote: Sorry I am trolling this thread again. I want to ask is Radfield THAT good of a player that he is always the #1 target for the mafia. I search a little in the forum, but can't seem to find a game with his late game plays. What's late game?? I've played a grand total of 5 mafia games, and been killed on the first night 3 times. Why? Because I'm very active, and I like to think I make decently sound arguments. I'm also NOT a vet, and so am not a particularly strong candidate for medic protection. I'm hoping that may change.... I should have my own flow chart on how to tell if I'm mafia: Are there mafia in the game? Yes. ------> Did he die night one? No. -----> Mafia/SK | ||
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Or is an invitation still required? | ||
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With 4 mafia vs 13 town aligned, and given that the mafia might have both a roleblocker and godfather, I would guess that we have a decent number of blue roles in the game. My guess at the moment would be at least 5 blue roles, plus possibly a town aligned day vig? I'm thinking 1 cop, 1 medic, 1 watcher/tracker, 1 vet and 1 vig/mad hatter. Also likely 1 Miller and the Day Vig. That leaves 6 townies(7 with the miller). Does this seems likely to other people? Thoughts? | ||
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On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote: This should be fun. Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze. I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive. I think I agree with this. Usually I'm a champion of inactive lynching, but theoretically in this set up there should not be anyone blatantly inactive. I mean, the invites were sent out solely based on activity. If we're having a problem with activity, by all means, but for now lets try to analyze. Face the facts, mafia who try to coast by are lame, mafia who play hardcore are sweet. Like Incognito in Mafia XXII; that was well done. | ||
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My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky. Ludwig, PMing our roles to L is a bad bad idea. PMing our roles to anyone at this point is not smart, simply because there is no way to make a really solid case for someone being pro-town. The downside of picking the wrong person is basically a loss for the town. If we should be PMing anyone, it should be you, as I pretty much take your claim at face value at this point. However, I think public roleclaiming is the best way to go for the moment. With that being said, I am a Townie and my job is to get shot on the first night. If we have a watcher, I recommend you have a look at me tonight as I have a decent streak going. Of course, it probably makes more sense to watch one of the blue claimers to try and find the roleblocker. Medic should be protecting tree.hugger or Ludwig at this point, with emphasis on tree.hugger. | ||
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On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote: Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite... Red flags? Mafia list: A5J OpZ I had the same feeling tree.hugger, but I think it's more benificial to let things like this slide in the moment and try to build a case after more posts. No need to point out to potential mafia that they're not doing a good job. | ||
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@AcrossFiveJulys Here's the way I see it going down if everyone roleclaims. We have a pretty good idea of how many blue roles there are, so an overabundance of blue or green will tip us off one way or another. In addition, any mafia claiming blue is making a risky decision, because any blue role that doubles up will be investigated/killed/whatever. At the very least attention will be placed on the two claimers. It seems likely that most of the people who claim blue will actually BE blue. Therefore, we can narrow down our list of suspects to the green claimers. Thoughts? It's not perfect, but considering that we already have 2 blue and 3 green claimed, I think it's our best bet. Also ##KILL: Chezinu | ||
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On June 11 2010 06:58 Korynne wrote: *sigh* Another blue post signifying a mod ignoring a specific command only usable by selected people. yeah, sorry about that, just trying to have some fun | ||
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On June 11 2010 10:40 L wrote: Look at the game numbers. 17 players. 13 town. 4 mafia. 7 blue roles. We're likely to have 4-7 blues max, giving us at the worst 6 greens. The game is 1 kp with 17 players in play. Every correct lynch we have buys us a day. Every medic prot buys us a day. We have potential 3 information roles. With 2 players down a day and a minimum of 8 people alive if we chain-mishit, we have 9 deaths until we're in near death situation. That means we can screw up every single day until day 5 and still win. Given that, I'd be very shocked to see us packing 8-9 blues as per your estimate. I failed to realize how a mafia KP of 1 gives us so much time. On that note it seems quite unlikely for the town to have 6 or 7 blue roles, as we would be seriously overpowered, even if mafia had a roleblocker/godfather/dayvig. I would think we have a medic out there, and probably one of vig/vet/hatter, but that might be it. During the night we need to pick someone for ludwig to check, and then lynch that person on day 2 to figure out his sanity. I have a few ideas in mind, but we don't need to start talking about that just yet necessarily. In fact, it might make more sense to PM our suggestions to tree.hugger and Ludwig, and let them make the final call together, as they are both highly likely to be town aligned. The reason to keep it private would be so the mafia can't snipe that player first and delay us finding out Ludwig's sanity. Since we have about twelve hours, I'm putting forward some lynch suspects: Johnnyspazz: Four posts in the thread, all of them one liners. AcrossFiveJulys: Made some bad arguments against roleclaiming, moderate amount of spamming. This was his roleclaim: I agree that at this point we are committed to this potentially shitty plan because our "tracker" and "detective" have RC'd. I don't mind role claiming townie for myself, at least. If anyone can think of a good way to put the brakes on the plan even though a couple "blues" have RC'd then please post how to do so, otherwise let's go forward with the plan even though it sucks because it's worse to just give the mafia a few blues and then stop. Something about this roleclaim seemed off to me, but I can't really put my finger on it. Both of these are good lynch targets in my eyes, but FIRST AND FOREMOST, any non roleclaimers need to be looked at in my opinion. We need information on the table, and people who don't claim are hindering the town at this point. Right now I think we should be looking at AFJ and Jspazz as potential targets for ludwig's sanity check. Theoretically neither of you should be particularly opposed to sacrificing for the town if you're town aligned . Do people Agree? Disagree? Thoughts? | ||
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On June 10 2010 07:51 redtooth wrote: i vote meeple On June 11 2010 15:15 citi.zen wrote: ## vote ohn On June 11 2010 15:59 Chezinu wrote: ## vote Radfield aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right? On June 11 2010 19:36 Vivi57 wrote: ##Vote: ~OpZ~ | ||
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On June 11 2010 23:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The plan isn't that bad. I could be confusing Jspazz with someone else, I just can't think of who it is right now. Abenson? It seems like he has a pretty bad reputation in mafia. 4 left to claim: MooCow Meeple Foolishness Chezinu For the record I don't think we should lynch Jspazz today. He's probably town. I think we should use him as our sanity test for ludwig. Investigate him tonight, lynch him Day 2. At this point, I think one of these four should be our target for now. We have about 9 hours until day ends. It appears as though inactivity may be a little bit of a problem after all. Anyone still flying under the radar should be looked in to. | ||
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I strongly disagree with lynching Jspazz right now, I still think we should use him as our sanity check. Just posting this for reference: Votes for ohN (2) citi.zen johnnyspazz Votes for Radfield (1) Chezinu Votes for ~OpZ~ (1) Vivi57 Votes for johnnyspazz (4) tree.hugger RebirthOfLegend LuDwig- ohN Votes for meeple (4) redtooth AcrossFiveJulys ~OpZ~ Foolishness Votes for flamewheel (1) flamewheel Meeple has yet to claim, though Ludwig seems to think he's town aligned. Given that Ludwig is basically a confirmed townie, that may be good enough. It's very possible meeple roleclaimed his true role to Ludwig. If this is the case, it may need to be made public as the votes come in. Chezinu also has yet to claim, but I'm not particularly worried about him.... Blue Roles: Seems very unlikely that we have two detectives, also seems unlikely that Ludwig is not a detective, as he roleclaimed very early on, and really doesn't seem like the type of player to roleclaim blue if he's mafia. Personally I think Moocow is lying, but he should get a pass for the moment given our claiming plan. He's an obvious target for the mafia, so if he hasn't died after a few nights, we start thinking about lynching him. If any blue roles have claimed green in the thread(medics/vets/hatters etc.), you should think about roleclaiming to tree.hugger or ludwig, who strike me as very likely pro-town. Lynch candidates for tonight seem to be meeple and Jspazz. I disagree with both of these choices. Unfortunately I don't have a real great alternative right now, as I don't have time to scour for people who are coasting. Redtooth and Foolishness both posted early on, but haven't given much input once the roleclaims really starting coming in, and haven't given input into lynching. Vivi57 kinda falls in this category as well. Probably other people as well. Also, I really don't like that Flamewheel voted for himself, abstaining is a bad thing for the town, but he's probably town, as I doubt a mafia would want to draw attention to himself. Honestly AcrossFiveJulys(and Citi.zen for that matter) still strikes me as possible mafia, but he's been active, which is worth a lot of suspicion. I'd honestly rather have an active mafia then an inactive townie. Here is the order of roleclaims for reference: 1 tree.hugger tracker 2 ohN Townie 3 LuDwig- Detective 4 Radfield Townie 5 johnnyspazz Townie 6 AcrossFiveJulys Townie 7 RebirthOfLeGend Townie 8 L Townie 9 flamewheel Townie 10 Vivi57 Townie 11 redtooth Townie 12 citi.zen Townie 13 ~OpZ~ Townie 14 MooCow Detective 15 Foolishness Townie Chezinu meeple We really need more activity in the thread, though it can be assumed that PM's are happening behind the scenes. For now redtooth gets my vote unless he starts posting some more. I may change later. | ||
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DOCTOR: you should think long and hard about protecting tree.hugger as he is our most confirmed townie. But don't be afraid to protect one of the other blue claimers as well. Seems likely one of them will die. | ||
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On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote: Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/. Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks. Sound decent? Comments plz. Absolutely. We should also decide on a day 2 lynch candidate, so whomever our dt checks, we can lynch them day 2, and get closer to narrowing down their sanity. I'm leaning towards a low activity townie (redtooth, foolishness, vivi) or AFJ. DT's feel free to use your own discretion, but be prepared to lynch whomever you check tonight. | ||
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If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? We act the exact same way as if it came back green, we lynch them. I think that the medic should protect Meeple tonight, and that Meeple should watch tree.hugger. That should protect our watcher and tracker, and if the mafia decides to go after one of the dt's then at least it clears up some of the confusion for the town. If the mafia goes after me as per usual, that's great because it buys the town more time. Anyone who has claimed green should NOT be getting protection. Of course there is a good chance that some of our blue claimers are vets/hatters, but we can let the mafia stew over that. Targets for tonights investigations and the day 2 lynch: Scummy in my eyes ~opz~ AFJ citi.zen Not active enough Redtooth Foolishness I think we should be looking at targets who claimed near the end of the roleclaim. Mafia were likely trying to see whether we had a glut of green claims or blue claims, and where it would be easiest to hide. 9 flamewheel 10 Vivi57 11 redtooth 12 citi.zen 13 ~OpZ~ 14 MooCow 15 Foolishness 16 meeple Chezinu Moocow and meeple get a pass from any lynchs for the moment, as they will probably start dying anyways, and if they survive we can deal with them then. Discounting Chez as a crazy person, that makes the last five green to claim Vivi, redtooth, citi.zen, Opz and foolishness Thoughts? | ||
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On June 12 2010 19:52 LuDwig- wrote: I suppose we should start with not active enough people... they are not usefull to town both as towny or scum.. Agreed, although it's still early in the game and everyone has contributed at least some. The more I think about it the more it seems like we should just check/lynch whoever seems most scummy. I'd like to hear other peoples opinions on who to lynch though. | ||
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On June 12 2010 22:45 citi.zen wrote: My opinion is that, rather than speculating endlessly on who is more or less "active" (ie - posting nonsense) we should wait for the night actions to come in. The reason we should discuss this now, is because we need to decide on a day 2 lynch candidate during night one. The best way to begin to establish sanity is to lynch whomever the dt's check. So while we could just leave it up to them to decide, I think it makes more sense to discuss it as a group and figure out who the best target is. Your plan is to not bother having people post for the next 10 hours and just wait for the night to end? I realize we don't have a lot of information to go on right now, but that's why we need to encourage people to post their thoughts. And we do have some info, we have the Day 1 votes, our role-claims, the order the role-claims came in, and everyone's (short) posting history. It's enough for some conjecture. | ||
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On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Hmm. You getting role blocked seems really random, I would have thought that it would be obvious for the mafia to role block our watcher; no downside. I'm interested to see the detectives and watcher's results . | ||
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On June 13 2010 09:35 Korynne wrote: Night ends in 30 minutes. Night kinda ended like and hour and a half ago.... | ||
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On June 13 2010 09:42 MooCow wrote: So in terms of waiting for blue information we only have to wait for LuDwig and meeple? I don't think anyone else rc'd a blue role other than the dead treehugger. I already revealed my information on AFJ ( town ) aligned. Correct | ||
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On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town. You seem to have left out one obvious option. You are mafia, with the roleblocker on your team, possibly even the roleblocker. You know your back is up against the wall and that you're a prime lynch target for day 2, so you don't roleblock anyone to gain some credibility. This seems quite likely to me, as it makes absolutely no sense for the mafia to have roleblocked you. Smacks of desperation. On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch. The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios. MooCow detective, Ludwig detective: The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable. 1 detective, 1 veteran: If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan. I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch. Again, I have to disagree with your analysis. First off, we have a tracker, watcher, medic and two dt's, and a minimum of SIX days to find only 4 mafia in a 17 person game. That is insanely unbalanced for the town even if mafia have a godfather, roleblocker and dayvig. How do you balance that out? By putting in some nasty sanities for the DT's. You think it unlikely, but with a tracker and watcher around, I think it VERY likely that both are DT's have funky sanities. One being useless(naive) and one being insane sounds about right. Even assuming that some people are lying about their role, it still fits that we would have an insane DT. Not to mention that I don't really trust Moocow at this point. No offense moocow, but a DT role is the perfect place for a mafia to hide, because you can never be held accountable "oops guys, I guess I'm naive". It is very important that we lynch AFJ, because we really need to start narrowing down the sanities. The entire plan was to lynch AFJ regardless of what the alignment checks came back as. The fact is, AFJ STILL seems completely scummy to me and worthy of a lynching anyways. Not to mention that he's done a ton of posting, so if he flips red we can glean a lot of info from his posts. That being said, we should still be doing post analysis on people. I went through the thread last night and a few people jumped out a me, but we can talk about them once AFJ is out of the way. ##Vote: AcrossFiveJulys (for effect) | ||
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I have no idea why you are so deadset on lynching me. All that is going to happen is I flip green and you still won't have a clue about which of ludwig/moocow are detectives and/or their sanities (they could be naiive or insane). Think logically about what kind of information will be obtained and whether that is worth wasting a townie and a lynch. If you flip green, it narrows down their sanities to naive or insane. This is much better than having no idea at all. Lets imagine both role checks had turned you up red, or one red and one green. Either way, each detective gets narrowed down to two possible sanities. There is no possible way to figure out a dt's sanity after only one check. I am trying to think logically, and surely you agree that this is the only way to start narrowing down their sanity. We have a lot of time as town in this game, and no matter what you flip, we gain valuable information from lynching you. Do I absolutely think 100% you're mafia? Not at all. But I'm suspicious of you, and it's definitely worth lynching you at this point to help establish Ludwig's and Moocow's sanity. Suspicions: -Poor arguments against L's plan, then poor arguments again to L's plan -Lots of spam early on -Your roleclaim post seems off, and is filled with trying to distance yourself from L's plan -Lots of corrections to peoples posts and obvious statements, but no real suggestions. -These two statements seemed bizarre at the time to me, and still do. They are back to back posts, and seem like a huge stretch to draw the conclusion that you did. It seems safe to say that mafia spread themselves out in the non-RC'd / townie / blue list. So we probably have 2 mafia that role claimed townie, 1 that claimed blue, and 1 that has not role claimed. Oh sorry, and off of that assumption we have a 50% chance to get a mafioso if we lynch one of the non-RC'd people (meeple or chezinu). Switching my vote to meeple. -Wishy washy in your voting: You voted for meeple on very thin reasoning, talked about switching to Jspazz on a whim, and then finally switched over to redtooth on my rather shakey reasoning. -You posted this lol guess I get to be the sacrificial townie. (suppose it would be in the interest of the town to lynch me no matter what I role check as if the town trusts ludwig) and are now trying to do everything you can to avoid getting lynched -The whole roleblocking thing, which seems completely made up to me. -This post seems very fake to me Shit looks like meeple didn't watch me last night unless he changed his mind after this post. Some other minor stuff as well. The more I look through your posts the more likely it seems you are mafia. These are a few of the reasons you strike me as mafia. Look on the bright side, if your town, we probably have a sane DT. Hooray! If you're mafia, you now know what to fix for next game. But the most important thing is, it's worth lynching you even if you are town because our dt's checked you last night. | ||
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On June 13 2010 23:29 LuDwig- wrote: I think that we need to put some fixed point in the game. We really don't know nothing for sure. We only know that two people claimed DTs, that they told us they rolechecked and that AFJ is green. Are they sane, insane, naive? The only way to know it (or at least starting to make thnigs more clear)is lynch AFJ .. I also thought on lynching MooCow...because i really don't believe him...If it turs out red it would be a great move..but if he is a DT for real? That would be a huge loss for the team that can make us loose the game. We can lynch another people at random..but then..why simply don't lynch you? I think lynching moocow right now is premature. If he's telling the truth then we hurt ourselves doubly: the loss of a town aligned player, and giving the mafia less blue targets to shoot at. I realize that by focusing on AFJ today we're kind of giving the less active players a pass. But we can focus on them tomorrow. I'd like to know the opinions on whom we should lynch from these people: Vivi57 citi.zen Foolishness redtooth RebirthOfLeGend I'd like to hear everyone else's opinion as well, but these 5 are a bit on the inactive side. | ||
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On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal. More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters? | ||
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On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote: + Show Spoiler + ##vote AcrossFiveJulys to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time. People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people. This is simply not a good argument. Yes, it takes minimum two nights to figure out a detective's sanity, we all realize that. Night one we narrow it down to two possibilities. If you flip red, then we know that the detectives are either insane or naive. Now we get them to check someone who they trust to be town-aligned: A green result means they're naive, a red result insane. Bingo, we have the alignments down. It takes two nights, but it's worth it. Our medic and watcher should be able to scare off the mafia from taking down the blue roles(tree.hugger ) so we'll probably still have everyone on board by that time. Or, we don't lynch you, learn nothing about the sanities, and basically disregard our two detective roles as useless. | ||
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An extremely ballsy move actually, considering that if L flipped green, then we would certianly use the next lynch on you. Doubly hurting the town. I'm still very ok with lynching AFJ, but if people don't agree I'm fine with that. List of fairly inactive players: vivi57 redtooth RoL Ohn I say we go after RoL first. He strikes me as moderately scummy, and is the scummiest looking player who voted for Jspazz. | ||
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On June 15 2010 04:29 Chezinu wrote: I've been thinking about the Dvig all game. It is like the perfect role! Once you use the hit, it makes no sense for either mafia or town to kill the Dvig no matter what align the Dvig has. Dvig is still a black role, right? If you look at the OP the mafia count only includes roleblock and/or GF. This means if there was a mafia Dvig then he wouldn't be considered part of the "mafia" and would only want the mafia to win.. So I'm watching you citizen though I would never kill you... lol.. not that I'm a watcher or anything... <.< >.> I'm pretty sure you're reading it wrong chez. The dayvig role is black so that we don't know if the dayvig ended up being town or mafia aligned. It's not 12T v 4M v 1DV. It's 13 town vs 4 mafia no matter what. And someone, whether town or mafia, got the dayvig role | ||
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The Dvig is either town or mafia. Not his own alignment. | ||
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On June 15 2010 04:57 Chezinu wrote: Rad where did you go? I want to continue to fake argue with you.. Who is going to argue if L isn't here? I'm having trouble telling if you actually believe that about the dayvig... I was skimming through all L's posts if you must know. I'm obviously not as good as citizen though because all i really found is L arguing with foolishness rather plausibly and redtooth rather weakly. I'm going to read through them again when i'm a little more into it though. | ||
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my only qualm with L's plan is that the structure of the game is forum based. that means posts come in linearly, one at a time and uneditable. what happens when there is only one medic and he roleclaims? mafia gets an easy kill in the first round with our most valuable player. if you think about it, the likelihood of 2 medics being in this game is VERY low since it would essentially be GG once they figure each other out (mafia just can't do shit). even with a roleblocker, i doubt that Incognito would create such a town-favored setup. This was the only thing redtooth posted that related to L's plan. All L responded with was On June 10 2010 13:35 L wrote: Well, maybe try reading the plan before posting. L aslo argued with both AFJ and yourself as well. Makes me think AFJ is probably not mafia. I hate it when that happens. | ||
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My absence is due to exceeding our bandwidth limit and basically getting cut off for 24 hrs. Our speed drops to almost zero, and sometimes doesn't work at all. These are our remaining players Claimed Blue Meeple Ludwig Moocow Not very suspicious at the moment Foolishness Citizen AcrossFiveJulys Mildly Suspicious Chezinu Flamewheel Redtooth People can slot me in wherever they think I belong. Personally I find moocow to be more suspicious then ludwig, but I think it possible that both are legit dt's. Very likely one is naive if that's the case. It's still premature to start offing the blues though. Despite the fact we have 2 mafia down, losing 3 greens today seriously hurts us. Day 5 is lynch or lose at this point, assuming no medic saves or vets. Personally I find redtooth the most suspicious of those three, Chez second, Flamewheel third. | ||
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On June 15 2010 16:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: Sorry guys. Had a meeting with my union rep today in savannah. Getting my job back. Will post some tomorrow morning. Had to celebrate lol...dressed way too nice for the bars lol.. Anyway, sorry guys. Didn't expect this to take as much time as it did. This guy is definitely mafia, lets lynch him | ||
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By using the vig shot tonight it means that we lose an entire night and day cycle. Instead of a lynch or lose situation on day 5, it becomes a lynch or lose on day 4. That means we lose a night of medic protection, dt checks, and watchering. Does this at least enter into the decision making process of the night vig shot? I realize you feel quite sure that moocow is mafia, and frankly I think him most likely of our blue claimers to be mafia, and one of the most likely left in the game. Check the thread, I've said it before. But that doesn't mean he should be the first to go. We have other good targets. If you doubt my alignment, at least check with ludwig and meeple. They are our most townie players in my mind, and I've been part of a mini town circle with them since the beginning of the game. Anyways, if you think me scummy, at least drop a shred of evidence my way. | ||
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Meeple, Ludwig, Citizen, Foolishness and AFJ seem likely to be town at this point. Seems like Foolishness is claiming one of vig or medic, which means we still have one blue among these 5 (assuming AFJ is green) Radfield Flamewheel Moocow Redtooth Chezinu Flamewheel and moocow are going to die soon, which leaves us with redtooth, chez and myself. Presumably one of chez or redtooth are the vig(or medic) so the other one is the last mafia. This of course hinges on whether or not people believe I am a townie. I imagine people at the center of the town circle have all this info though, which means we should have this game in the bag unless citizen or AFJ have duped us. Thoughts? Corrections? | ||
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I still agree with leaving the blues for now, it's premature to kill them off. I did not advocate lynching AFJ, I advocated vigging him. There is a subtle difference there. The reason I advocated vigging him is because we wouldn't be able to get a lynch going on him given that most people think he is town aligned. I am still mildly suspicious, and he does lead us towards our dt's sanities, which is a good thing. | ||
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On June 16 2010 08:42 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Can't believe he asked you to get ME shot, wow... yeah, radfield is either very dumb or very mafia. Btw, the last person I said that about was L in my PM conversation with him. Though citizen, I really would swap your suspicion of moocow with Ludwig. The fact of the matter is, you had and have a lot of scummy stuff going for you. However, if you asked me right now if you're town or not, I'd probably say you're town. I tried hard to get you lynched, and surely you understand that I'm still hoping you're mafia, because it makes me right. Unfortunately I was probably wrong about you. The part Citizen didn't post was that first and foremost I advocated not vigging anyone. What can I say though, you've been on my mind this game, and none of the other targets have really done much at all to warrant attention. | ||
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On June 16 2010 09:40 citi.zen wrote: Look, Radfield is red. If meeple and Foolish trust him, so much the worse. I am going to stop, so I don't "dominate the debate" and other people can slowly figure this out too. Or not. Either way I did my part. ugh The worst part is that when you find out I'm green, you're still going to think you're justified here. Basically you're entire case against me is that I'm saying not to use the vig hit on moocow tonight, and that I thought AFJ was somewhat suspicious. I've been very clear about my actions this game, and as far as I can tell, it's only you and AFJ that find me suspicious. There are a few ways in mafia to be sure of something. I'm 100% sure that you have none of those on me. | ||
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On June 16 2010 10:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Meeple is not confirmed but only likely town -- there are plenty of mafia plots that could involve meeple right now and I don't want to give mafia any unnecessary opportunities. Only PM me and citizen. Foolishness there is no way both me and ciziten are mafia -_- Yeah, someone else getting roleblocked basically clears AFJ completely. Either way, as long as two people get the results it's fine, because you can't have one of the dts and both citizen and AFJ as mafia. So the results will come back unaltered. Option A, the medic saved someone. Quite likely. Mafia are backed into a corner and went for another prominent blue. Option B, we have a vet. Very Very unlikely Option C, the mafia opted not to use there kill because they were worried about the watcher. The only reason I could see this happening is if the mafia are among people who are quite confirmed as townies, and didn't see any reason to risk it. ie, they think they are unlynchable. This seems fairly unlikely. | ||
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On June 16 2010 10:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: This is going to get very, very interesting when we hear back about who got hit and what meeple saw. No matter what happens, we just bought ourselves a ton of time Start Day 3 8v2 Start Day 4 6v2 Start Day 5 4v2 we have three days to hit 1 mafia, which would buy us an extra day to hit the second mafia. Very good news. | ||
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On June 16 2010 13:41 LuDwig- wrote: Just wake up. Checked radfield. Result: Green. This is interesting. A not so subtle hinting that I'm the other mafia? Reasons I am not the last mafia: Meeple would be dead twice over. I knew on day one that Meeple was the medic. Ludwig actually told me he trusted me as a townie and that Meeple had roleclaimed as the doctor. I PMed meeple that Ludwig told me he was the doctor, and meeple confirmed it. Me and meeple have been PMing since then. Night one I would have roleblocked tree.hugger and killed meeple. Not sure why the mafia didn't do this. But supposidly it was because they figured tree.hugger would watch ludwig and bust him. Night Two I knew that Foolishness was the watcher. I would have roleblocked him and killed meeple. Absolutely no downside. Can't get watched, can't get medic saved. Obviously the mafia thought that meeple had lied to ludwig though, because they made a huge mistake. Seems like ludwig is the roleblocker as well, given that all the dt targets keep getting roleblocked. Also makes sense to have your roleblocker claim as a dt. | ||
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It seems like at this point meeple, citizen, AFJ, Foolishness and probably moocow are all town. Presumably we all agree on this. We get a day 4 lynch, day 5 lynch and day 6 lynch unless something very strange happens, like a second Day Vig who is mafia aligned. Assuming this is the case, we get an autowin if Redtooth gets modkilled. Day 4 Radfield Day 5 Flamewheel or Chez Day 6 Chezinu or Flamewheel lynch or lose If redtooth doesn't get modkilled, he should probably be lynched. We should have this in the bag. However, mafia has almost certainly won if either AFJ or Citizen is mafia. | ||
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On June 17 2010 08:26 meeple wrote: Ludwig is most definitely the roleblocker... that's the only way he can hold up his claims to be a dt... Also... Radfield is the last mafia I beleive... too many close inexplicable ties with Ludwig then last minute trying to push away. I trusted Ludwig because I was being impulsive about his defense of me early on and took a risk (and a rather stupid one)... but when I didn't die I thought that it kinda proved that he wasn't red... since who wouldn't take a lovely medic dangled in front of you like that. I didn't really trust Radfield... was kinda forced into it by Ludwig... Anyways... tommorow's lynch of radfield should clinch the game for us... Actually I never pushed away from Ludwig until Foolishness told me he was mafia. I defended ludwig up until that point, even recommending to Foolishness that we could use him as a potential medic claim to hide that you were the medic. I find it strange that you think because I trusted Ludwig that I am mafia. I trusted him for the same reasons you did: you didn't die. The fact that I pushed so hard for Ludwig as town should be an indication I am NOT mafia. Mafia don't make things quite that obvious. Also, the fact that I was pushing for AFJ when basically everyone else in the thread thought he was town is not an indication of mafia, but one of town. If I was mafia, there's no way I would stick my neck out to try and lynch/vig him, when there were WAY easier targets to get lynched, a ton of the players were mostly inactive at that point. Mafia stay low, they don't tie themselves together obviously and try to get obvious townies lynched. That's the sign of someone not putting enough effort into the game, but still playing like they have been(busiest time of the year for me). | ||
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On June 17 2010 14:08 Foolishness wrote: So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result. So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia. Trust me, if it was me as mafia, I would concede. What kind of player do you think I am? I'm not here to waste people's time. I very much doubt redtooth is mafia, as he's playing a very strange pseudo inactive strategy if he is. It's just too obvious. He'll probably be modkilled anyways though. I think Flamewheel would concede at this point. I know Chezinu would not concede at this point. Also, Chez seems quite confident that I am not mafia, and he seems to be the only person in the thread who really thinks so. The only other player in this game who was sure I was pro-town was Ludwig. Also, Flamewheel isn't necessarily not mafia because he got roleblocked. Ludwig needed to roleblock Flamewheel so that if the watcher looked at flamewheel, he would see that both 'dts' visited. Also, we have a watcher, tracker, doctor and dayvig. It seems likely we have a naive dt and not a sane one. Having a sane dt would make this game a cakewalk. I recommend that if you lynch me, you then lynch Flamewheel and Chezinu, in whatever order you like. | ||
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The best part is that I'm not the last mafia. The fact that you're all so sure is blinding you to the real last mafia. Hopefully the thread picks up once I die. Is Redtooth dead? Is night over? Presumably in 20 minutes or so night is over? I really don't understand all the 'pushing away' from ludwig that you keep talking about meeple. I think you've kind of invented that in your mind to make me seem more mafia than I am. I was quite confident ludwig was legit until Foolishness told me he was the last mafia. I never "pushed away". Somewhere along the way you guys started thinking I was red, but you really don't have nearly as much evidence on me as you think. You're all acting as if I was rolechecked and came back red, but really all you have is this: I trusted Ludwig. I trusted him for THE EXACT SAME reasons as meeple. The fact you were alive meeple almost guaranteed Ludwig must be town. I thought AFJ was mafia, and lying about getting roleblocked to try to squirm out of getting lynched. It just seemed so implausible at the time that he would be roleblocked(but of course it makes sense, I just wasn't being open minded to the possibility). That's basically the entire case against me, and it's very thin. I don't even understand how Foolishness and Meeple could possibly think I'm mafia...I KNEW your roles guys. I've jumped forward with my ideas and opinions all game, and some of them were wrong. I think it strange that you guys think I would play this bad if I was mafia. I gaurantee you, when I'm mafia, it won't be that obvious. | ||
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Good Game All!! Citizen, amazing take-out of L Meeple, and Foolishness, great work on catching Ludwig AFJ, sorry I doubted you much, to my own detriment. Good job mafia on sniping Tree.hugger night 1 Sorry to all that I didn't play a bit better, I was definitely off this game, and couldn't put in quite as much effort as I normally do. Quick question Korynne, what was Moocow's alignment? | ||
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On June 18 2010 10:18 Vivi57 wrote: also, I was the only person who voted for scum day 1 or 2 :D That's true, nice read. Too bad you didn't convince us too. | ||
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On June 18 2010 10:29 flamewheel wrote: Thank god it's over. Also too many information roles. hosts. =.= Well if moocow was naive then it's just the watcher and tracker | ||
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On June 18 2010 16:01 Chezinu wrote: Btw, Who said that at most there were going to be 5 blue roles? That was a good call. Hmm, I guessed we would have at least 5 blue roles, but I was quite wrong on which roles I thought would be in it. On June 18 2010 18:21 DarthThienAn wrote: GUYS RADFIELD DIDNT DIE? Stop the presses! First ever late game scenario for me | ||
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