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On May 28 2010 02:45 barth wrote: I`d be more than delighted if you signed me up. Thanks. I hope you lived past day 1 this time. | ||
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Then from result and each day and night posts by mod, I take out possibility who being which role. I also change the excel sheet when someone makes a claim that might be a hint. Too bad I am not a cop or the excel sheet would be much more useful. | ||
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Flamewheel, the cute... some people were joking that | ||
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Reason I voted for Darth is I played a total of two games with Darth in it (Caller and Ace's). In both game, Darth had decent knowledge of the game and didn't make newbie mistake. He also supported lynching inactive in the early game where not much information is available. Also, my advise to detective: Do not do what YellowInk is telling you. His action is very suspicious and those who are suspicious should not run for mayor before they are cleared. Also, use role check as early as possible (night 1 and every other night. Reason is that you don't want your rolechecks to be wasted if you somehow gets killed. Find someone whom you believe is totally innocent. This can be achieved by rolechecking on night 1. If you detect a anti-town, stay quiet and don't tell anyone about result. If you detect a pro-town then use him as your spoke person (not Likely you role checked the godfather). Another reason why you want to use those rolecheck as soon as possible because there is not much clues to pick from in the early game as oppose to the mid to late game. In the late game, there would be so many juicy clues that you want to check that it is almost as important as a rolecheck. Alternatively, you can choose use 2 rolechecks early while saving 1 rolecheck for later when you really need it. Remember, role check works almost always and gives much more information than a clue check which might not give you any result (fail clue check). For medic: I advise you to protect those who are active and shown intelligence in the game but not suspicious to be a mafia. Mafia wants to create as much confusion in the thread as possible. They also don't want the town to have a good plan to finding them which means those who have a good plan tend to be the target. For Vigilante: Stay calm man. We will need you after a few day (3 or 4) when the town would be in confusion at that point and need your one time kill to clarify things. That is my advise to the blue roles. Remember, you don't have to follow what I am telling you but use this as a reference. If you are new to the game, you want to listen to everyone's advise to you and decide who's advise is the best follow it or incorporate these advises into a good plan. | ||
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Also, information sharing has limited usage and it's most important usage is to avoid overlapping in rolechecks in the future (which is you purposing form a link together, you already waste 2 rolecheck) so using 2 role checks to avoid future overlapping in role check is stupid. Then there is overlapping in clue checks. As the game progress on, there would be SO many clues available, and the probability of overlapping in clue check is so small that you don't need to take much consideration out of it. If dts happened to target the same person, then do it. | ||
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For the first election of mayor, I want the mayor to target the inactive but I don't want Yellow Ink since he is acting so suspicious and IF he happens to be a mafia, he would target an pro town inactive. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:27 bumatlarge wrote: Just making a list of all suspects based soley on clues, in no particular order. Feel free to tell me if we are missing any. Profiles 1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. jiabung 21. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo Pics 1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18.TyranoS_NiveK 21. jiabung 19. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo | ||
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Using people as your mouthpiece is a strategy to protect the person who is actually speaking. However, I would warn each and every townie here that just because someone is telling you that they are the DT does not mean that they are! Perhaps on day 3 Mafia player A PMs Townie player B and tells them they know player B is townie and found that player C is mafia on night 1. Then when player B speaks up and says player C is mafia, player C gets hung, then player B gets hit by the mafia that night (3KP can still beat 2 medics) so that the mafia is never revealed. This is just one of many examples possible - the point is that using a mouthpiece like this is challenging and unreliable. It's important that people understand the whole story with respect to risks and rewards in these situations. This can be overcame by having the medic protect the one who is speaking up. If the information is false, that person will then speak up the next day and expose the mafia who pmed him. Good mafia players often are active and present intelligent thought in the game as well. It's not the end of the world if you do cover a mafia. I would tend towards protecting those who you tend to believe are town over those who are merely active and intelligent. Use your own judgement - and adding in a bit of a random factor (between various people you are thinking about protecting) can help make it difficult for mafia to predict who medics might protect. Yes, good mafia are active enough not to be suspected. But not all mafia or anti town are active. The nature of the game is those who are more inactive are most likely to be mafia than those who are active. We do not necessary need to kill the good mafia person upright, killing any mafia benefits the town. | ||
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On June 04 2010 07:49 onihunter wrote: oh and what exactly happened with Darth last game lmao. i'm curious >> On June 01 2010 12:52 DarthThienAn wrote: F5F5F5F5F5 F5F5F5F5F5 F5F5F5F5F5 F5F5F5F5F5 F5F5F5F5F5 On June 01 2010 12:57 DarthThienAn wrote: zzz man dis take too long. On June 01 2010 12:59 DarthThienAn wrote: Just in case. Kill: Nikon On June 01 2010 13:00 DarthThienAn wrote: Well I guess I'll just do it again. LD, I "claimed" by quoting L's "I can shoot" On June 01 2010 13:00 DarthThienAn wrote: Kill: Nikon tl time so bad On June 01 2010 13:00 DarthThienAn wrote: I GOT THIS GUYS I SWARE. :D On June 01 2010 13:02 Ace wrote: DarthThienAn (Vanilla Towny) has been killed. | ||
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On June 04 2010 07:58 BrownBear wrote: That last point is the most important one, and let me stress why: It's bad to let a mafia player (or god forbid, the GF) get into any elected role, but especially bad to give them Pardoner. The reasoning is, Pardoner gets a free ability to protect ANYONE from lynch, two times, and we have no way to block it. What this means is, if a mafia has Pardoner role, unless we catch on really quickly, we essentially have to lynch 8 mafia instead of 6, as the pardoner can protect his brethren twice. This is something we DON'T want to happen. Now consider this. There are 6 mafia. If they vote as a bloc, that probably won't be enough to get any scum into the mayor slot, but seeing as there doesn't seem to be a strong second candidate, that just might be enough to give one of them Pardoner. They can probably hide it pretty well too, by have one of their own announce candidacy for mayor and posting a bunch of stuff so he seems legit, then just having them all vote for him, spreading it out throughout the day so it's even less obvious. I don't want that to happen. Brownbear beat me to it. But I want to add something. Mafia has a number of 6. So if they run for election. Their votes will be 6+others voting for them (who have no clue that they are voting for the mafia) which is HUGE. This will probably give them a mayor and pardoner spot. What we need is not multiple candidate running for mayor but just decide on one candidate to vote for. I would be happy just having the town getting mayor spot while leaving the pardoner's spot to the mafia. Also to point out if the mafia is running for mayor, it will be a close election since they only want to expose just enough of their members voting for their candidate to avoid being bundled up as a group of mafia voting for their candidate. The alternative is the mafia choose not to take part in the election which is pretty stupid in my mind. So, we must decide on one candidate alone and hope that he is not mafia. I am willing to change my vote from darth to another candidate if the town agree on another candidate. | ||
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This will probably give them a mayor OR pardoner spot. | ||
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Also, I got to say, whoever elected as mayor and the pardoner are very suspicious since mafia have a high chance of getting either role. | ||
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Because the game is intend that mafia will get at least one spot. The pardoner's role is balance the game if so town or mafia get the mayor spot. The pardoner (mafia if town mayor, town if mafia mayor) can use his pardon ability to influence the game when he thinks the time is right. | ||
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Do I have to explain why i voted for Darth again. Yes, my vote was casted early and that is because of everyone playing in the game, Darth shown himself (to me at least) as the best mafia player. Also, no one found any clue pointing at Darth and that makes him the best candidate available. Again, i didn't vote for him out of pity for that hilarious moment in "Bang Bang Mafia." Is Darth a good candidate for mayor? I don't know. But I do know is that there is no better candidate to be a mayor. | ||
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The mafia would love that townies direct their hates toward each other while they are in the dark, smiling. That is why I repeatly push that inactive to step up or be lynched. | ||
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If Darth is pro town, then the pardoner role is almost a liability to town (that he might pardon two lynches in the late game). I also want to suggest an alternative that might be very controversial. To lynch the pardoner on day2. This way, we eliminate the possibility that the mafia running for mayor but fail and get the pardoner role. This is just an alternative that we can use depending how the voting goes. Again, this is all based on the fact that Darth is pro town (flamewheel, this format sucks so much for town) | ||
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For the first lynch, I want the target to be an inactive (posted minimum to stay alive) and also has clues relating to him. | ||
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TL Mafia XXVI 61 68 172 187 190 197 199 210 215 216 222 223 228 230 251 252 261 262 272 274 276 280 283 285 286 288 311 315 316 317 320 321 327 329 335 338 Then I look at my numbers of post for comparison... TL Mafia XXVI 15 40 110 118 121 130 136 141 155 157 240 263 266 267 268 273 275 277 296 298 299 302 303 306 312 319 324 330 336 I consider myself posting a lot. But Yellow Ink man... most of his posts are pretty damn long. Either he is trying to be the Master Mafia, or he has no life and is pro town. | ||
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Because of yellow ink's huge postings record, I have to say yellow ink's chance of being mafia is very, very low. And your chance of being mafia is higher (no offense). I am going to do what seem like a retard thing that most people hear wouldn't agree on: to change my vote to Yellow Ink (WHAT?). I weighed Yellow Ink's innocence against Darth's experience and chose the former. Like I said before, mafia being Mayor is pretty much a GG. So I beg you guys to vote for Yellow Ink or change your vote to Yellow Ink. | ||
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That, mafia don't want to be center of attention. Mafia also don't post a lot and write huge paragraphs. Then there is "printer explode" hint that relates to Yellow Ink which inevitably going to be brought up at a point and I want to address it now. We need to be rational here. Would Flamewheel give a hint that is so apparent? Heck he might as well say: "Flamewheel was hit by the lightning as the eclipse passes by." | ||
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Again, there is very little chance that YellowInk is mafia. I will repeat: Mafia do not want to present themselves as the center of attention. Mafia do not go to the thread and start accusing people left and right. Mafia also do not spam post like crazy. We do not need a Mayor that is smart but might be mafia. We need a Mayor who is 100% pro town and also listen to the majority. YellowInk satisfy this. | ||
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IF inactive shows up tomorrow, ask them: Did they get the pm and when did they get the pm from Darth. If the inactives can confirm that Darth sent them the pm, then Darth is almost certain not mafia. | ||
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It doesn't matter if you vote for Darth or YellowInk. I just want they to get 1st and 2nd place. And to the other running candidates, you are making yourself suspicious by not voting on Darth or YellowInk who are very certain to be pro town. And to the Mafia: You guys have NO chance for either the mayor or pardoner spot. | ||
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To be honest, I am more comfortable with Darth being the pardoner because he checks on Mayor's and the town's action. His role is equally if not greater than mayor's role. The requirement of Pardoner is to make good decision (especially in the late game if the mafia has significant voting influence) about when to pardon. With YellowInk as the mayor, he has to listen to the logic of the town before voting and I will be comfortable with that. | ||
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On June 05 2010 01:51 zeks wrote: Something to think about: How many of the 4 candidates are mafia? Tbh it would definitely be a shame / missed opportunity for the mafia to not send out a candidate at all in such a crucial point of the game. Well, since the consideration of Darth and YellowInk being pro town was made about 12 hours ago, Zek and Brownbear ran for election a significant amount of time before that, we can't really tell if they are pro town or not. I can give you an argument (there are many more) from both sides: Town If mafia wants a position as mayor or pardoner. They would want to start a bang wagon early (at least one of them running and another supporting). Because both zek and brownbear only got 1 vote from themselves, it is not likely they are mafia. Mafia The mafia was unsure whether they should someone running for either in the beginning. When they finally made the decision to run for a position, arguments for Darth and YellowInk being Town started stacking up, and they gave up on the positions. It explains why the mafia only has 1 vote for their candidate. | ||
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If you did receive a pm, please tell us that you did. | ||
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I made an error couple post earlier when you asked about the 4 candidates and I assume that you are one of them (because everyone is talking about you running for election) and I miss that it is Jiabung who is the fourth person with a vote. | ||
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You can: Click "All" next to the last page number, find the person who you want to search for and use "ctrl F" To find the posting history of the person you want to see: Go to one of their post and click "Profile" (between PM and Quote). You will now be in their profile page. Then, click on the number beside the "total post." | ||
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You know in movies, the most obvious clues that point to someone are often false. We can apply some of it here and expect that some clues were put in to mislead us. What I want to say is we can't believe that every clues are helpful and the only way to certify a clue is the use of clue check. | ||
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I think I am the target. Darth and YellowInk are safe because their role got protections. I am the other huge poster in the thread. Can I, shamelessly, beg a medic to protect me? I really don't want to die that fast. | ||
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Or BrownBear is having those bad luck again. That or Mafia is screwing with us. And Misder, can I hear your reason for voting brownbear? | ||
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I also want to add a clue that people missed. My profile pic: ![[image loading]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7392/haru32.gif) The opening song of the second season of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu: Why did I put this? I just want to say don't weigh the clues too heavily. Lynching inactive is still our priority in day 1 | ||
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DCLXVI, well if you are concern about me and darth being mafia. You would know the answer very soon since I am a huge target for the mafia (if I am pro town) unless a medic saves me (begging again  ). | ||
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Number of post as of post #469: ![[image loading]](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8149/post469.jpg) | ||
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Jiabung, you are too green for mafia war (pun intended). | ||
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Sorry for the language. But I have a habit of talking (swearing?) irrationally right after people die in mafia war. | ||
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48 hours day. | ||
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The town should now make a propose plan and blue roles should follow it. | ||
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But yeah, being inactive is very dangerous in mafia war. | ||
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Prime example: Radfield. | ||
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For detective: If your result shows mafia role, keep it to yourself. If your result shows town role, you can use him to be your spoke person (there is a small chance that the person is godfather which shows up as townie in checks). For Vigilante: Don't do anything yet. There is no really good target to use your ONE-TIME kill. | ||
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I can post my updated spreadsheet but it is damn biased... | ||
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Yes active mafia exist, but worrying that active members are mafia get us nowhere. Not to be bragging, but here's an example of me being godfather and active at the same time. Link If you look at the quality of my post. Most of them are spam and doesn't contribute to town. | ||
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A huge difference between this and other mafia games is there are more new players and less veteran players. So the categories for "I don't care about mafia war and so I would be active" is much higher than in other mafia games. I use a somewhat weak checking method to see if they are really inactive or a mafia who is inactive because they don't want to draw attention. My method is to look at how many posts they made the last week and compare it to number of post and quality of post they made in this game. If the number of post they made last week hugely out number the number of post they made in this game, then there is a possibility that they are mafia and tries not draw attention. One drawback of this rule is there are people who post a lot (a huge number for the post they made last week) but just don't care about this game. AcrossFiveJuly fits the description of I post a lot but not on this thread. post last week: 33 post in the game: 3 Then there are numerous inactives who just doesn't post on TL at all therefore making them less likely be to mafia. | ||
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So the categories for "I don't care about mafia war and so I will be inactive" is much higher than in other mafia games. | ||
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1)pro town who cares about the game. They can satisfy the requirement easily. 2)mafia who cares about the game. Also should have no problem satisfying the requirement. 3)mafia who does not care about the game. They may force themselves to meet the requirement because others will be pressuring them and mafia tends to care more about the game than pro town who gets a shiity role (vanilla townie). 4)Then there is the pro town who does not care about the game. They won't bother catching up with the thread and won't bother to meet the requirement of in depth analysis. (jiabung who we lynches falls in this category.) | ||
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Think about who will follow this requirement. | ||
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Maybe they won't target me... | ||
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At this point, we have to trust the mayor and the pardoner or we couldn't get anything done. It is good to question but saying that one of them probably is mafia is too much. Well, if Darth or YellowInk turns out to be mafia... I have the most responsibility. I started the band wagons for both candidates (their second votes are from me although I withdrew my vote from Darth). | ||
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First of all, I think you are actually referring to "TL Mafia XXII" where you played assassin instead of mafia game "XVI" because your aren't in "XVI". Your number of post before day 2 (not counting counting pregame post) is 1 which is a little bit less than this thread's. You number of post after day 2 (not including your after game post) is 12. Yes, your posts skyrocketed compared to day 1 but it is still not enough. I would temporary take back my opinion of you being a potential mafia now. But you must step up your posting on day 2 to avoid being accuse of being mafia who want to attract as little attention as possible. | ||
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What surprised me is barth's death. He are one of the less active member in the game. I also remember saying something about him (might as well bring it up before someone else does). Also barth's most important post I found: On June 05 2010 23:02 barth wrote: True, everything anyone says should be considered a potential lie. I do doubt however that either Darth or YI is mafia but everything`s possible. Night 1 should clear a lot of things up. | ||
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In the last game I played with him (Three Kingdom Mafia). He (as Diao Chan) also died on the first night. So I wished that the same thing doesn't happened to him. | ||
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You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. You may not protect yourself. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead. As of now, I still haven't receive the pm. Maybe Flamewheel is late on it or I was not targeted. | ||
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On June 04 2010 17:07 ElyAs wrote: Now I'm starting to think that YellowInk is actually legit. He is putting pressure on the inactives which is pro-town behaviour. Same can be said for Darth. PMing the inactives is a good move as all these inactive cannot possibly be all mafias. I'd like to have confirmation from barth and supernovamaniac. (even though they did not deny it, I just want to be sure.) And yeah, i know that I wasn't really active yesterday, I'm going to try and fix that. On June 05 2010 02:04 ElyAs wrote: Okay, made up my mind for the voting, I'm gonna vote for Darth because I think I can trust him for now. I agree that YellowInk and Darth are likely to be non-mafia, but remember that this game is a game of trust and deception. Question everything, even what the ones that were looking town-oriented in the beginning say (hell, even the guy that is coming at you with that kind of advice. It's totally normal to suspect the one that is telling you how to play ) However, don't see ghosts everywhere. When someone is making a strange move once, it doesn't always mean he is scum. Just write it down on your spreadsheet/memory/whatever and try to make him justify his move. We will win this game as townies by speaking a lot and analyze whatever the others say. Even you with the vanilla townie role ! This game can be fun for everyone ! Well, these were my thoughts for now. On June 06 2010 04:12 ElyAs wrote: From my experience from an IRL mafia-like game, activity calls activity and inactivity calls inactivity, so if the townies are being active, it makes mafia less likely to try to hide in the shadows. (which is good for us townies) In this game, I can see LunarDestiny and YellowInk, the experienced players, trying to help potentially new players to grasp the game with tips and advice. It looks like genuine advice from what i've red from other games. I think we can trust them for now and if LunarDestiny is attacked tonight, it will be really meaningful. | ||
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On June 06 2010 11:37 YellowInk wrote: Poor guy =\ Alright, well lets get to clue sniffing! I can see half a dozen links just based on information we had dug up from the last round. Oh yeah, I also forgot that is BEFORE our role pms are sent. | ||
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Masked Figured stealthily kept to the shadows (stealth) he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps (fast killer) Bloodied knife. | ||
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Clues: Every day post will tell a story describing the deaths of your murdered neighbors. These stories will leave behind clues pointing towards the mafia members. Clues can be taken from anywhere, so long as I see it relating to the person they are intended for. This means names, sigs, profiles, things related to names, etc. | ||
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For the detectives who role checked and the result is pro town, you have the option to use that person as your spoke person (it is very unlikely you got the godfather) | ||
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On June 06 2010 05:05 onihunter wrote: Based on past games, there are probably 2 medics and 2 detectives right? The probability that the mafia hit no medics/detectives: 17/21 * 16/20 * 15/19 = 51%. So there's about a 50% chance the mafia will hit at least one medic/detective. On June 06 2010 05:18 onihunter wrote: There's also a 73% no detectives are hit, so 27% chance that at least one is hit (about a quarter of the time). This probability will increase after each night until one is actually hit, so maybe detectives should use their role checks pretty quickly. Although 1/4 isn't very high, it's high enough that you can't just ignore it. 19/21 * 18/20 * 17/19 Again, I can confirm onihunter's math is correct. That is the mafia has 3 hit for night kill. As more people die, the chance of medics and detectives to die also increases and there is a significant chance that you might die the next day. Yes, people might think me as the godfather. But someone got to say this. | ||
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BRILLIANT: On June 06 2010 12:40 3 Lions wrote: TheGilaboy: Two clues point to him. The "hastily constructed barricades" and the "masked figure with knives". In his profile, he not only has a pic of a DT, but he also has the following quote: "2v2 Twilight Fortress you say? Mass DTs it is..." | ||
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If I am the mafia, I will also take a look of this list and take out the high posting people. | ||
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1)They want to label me as a potential mafia. I asked for medic protection. (asking for town to waste a medic protection) Had been very active. (diverted attention from anti town claims) Told detective to use spoke person. (me being godfather and use me as their spoke person?) 2)Or they just don't want to target someone who asked for medic protection which might waste one of their kill. | ||
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This is the clue which points at Thegilaboy only. | ||
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Number of post before day 2: 13 + Show Spoiler [post 1] + + Show Spoiler [post 2] + On June 04 2010 09:53 MTF wrote: There aren't many: barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac These are the only people who have yet to say anything so far. A few others have only made a single post. + Show Spoiler [post 3] + On June 04 2010 15:25 MTF wrote: I've actually been secretly hoping (and was briefly considering suggesting) that Crate would run, as he's the person I feel the most confidence in at the moment. I guess that this would be a good time to put out how I feel about each candidate at this point, based on several different things. YellowInk: Smart, reasonable. Has a decent plan for the first lynch. Is very responsive, which I'm not counting as a clear negative as many others seem to. I don't like the heavy "scum" accusations being thrown around, but it does serve it's purposes. Also provided good general advice for new/inexperienced players. Still platforming heavily on the clue aspect, which is really the only point of contention (well, that and the almost ad-esque "vote for YellowInk" at the end of many posts) I have with him at this point. DarthTheinAn: Also seems smart, as well as objective (which is a big plus) and geared towards organizing people. Has not been reactionary in a bad way and apparently checked out some of the people who voted for him as potentially being Mafia, due to the quick bandwagon effect that sprang up. I am a little worried about him due just to that fact, but it seems like the majority of the people who voted for him might have done so simply due to recent games together. More or less contending with YellowInk for my vote right now. Zeks: Got a little too much flak for a simple mistake early on. Has an alright plan to open. Seems like a middle-road choice to me right now, vote will currently fall between him and BrownBear should the first two arouse sufficient suspicion. BrownBear: Reasoning is sound, but the later arrival, backing of the already-early-bandwagoned DarthTheinAn, and (most importantly) the specific gunning for the role of Pardoner all make me feel very cautious. Pardoner is even more dangerous of a role for Mafia to grab than Mayor is, simply because of the ability to stop a critical lynch, even with a sure death to follow. All told, I'm hoping for more discussion (and for Crate to randomly decide to run  ).+ Show Spoiler [post 4] + On June 06 2010 04:23 MTF wrote: Though I won't quite say "post or you suck", I will join YellowInk in begging for activeness amongst town. I understand that there might not be a lot to say yet, especially if you're new to the game, but investing a little time to even just comment on what other people are saying helps. You may not have been given a blue role, but that doesn't mean the game is going to be boring for you. And going inactive just because you don't have night actions/passive abilities is far worse for town than if town just didn't have any blue roles at all. An active town has a lot of power. And we can't really win without it, because otherwise everything turns into bandwagoning on the vote just to avoid getting mod-killed. Which could be very dangerous, should such occur without critical thinking/actual reading of the thread. As will be pretty much customary, I'll be back on a few hours after the next Day post comes up. In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. | ||
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Post 1:He called out decafchicken as mafia. Post 2:He considered barth (dead), AcrossFiveJulys, Icysoul, LaXerCannon, supernovamaniac as inactive. Post 3:Felt very neutral towards the running candidates. Post 4:Hinted that he got a blue role. | ||
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Mafia KP = (# of Mafia / 2) rounded up. Max KP = 3, Min KP = 1 Current Mafia KP = 3 That means during each night, the mafia has the ability to killing to up 3 townies. The quicker we get their number down to 4. We can save one person per day. | ||
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You see that"#" thing next to "quote." Click on it and look at the address bar above. | ||
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I went digging up posts from Deucegladlier's posts on this thread and other thread his posted on (mostly on the k-pop thread. I noticed Deucegladlier's posts on this thread is pretty poor and the analysis are not that useful. But if you look at his posts on the k-pop thread, it is much better and sometimes he even writes a good paragraph. | ||
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TheGilaboy(3): LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX. Deucegladlier(3):Deucegladlier, YellowInk, crate. It is highly likely that either one lynch target is mafia. Ignoring Deucegladlier's self voting since it is not logical. We have three more inactive players voting for TheGilaboy and two more active and better posters voting for Deucegladlier. This makes me farther suspects that Deucegladlier is a possible mafia since: 1)Inactive players are voting against active players. 2)TheGilaboy which I consider as average in term of activeness and quality postings vs. Deucegladlier who is very inactive and a bad poster. I am not saying that LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, and CompX are mafia. I am saying if the mafia want to divert our attention and starts a bandwagon, they want to vote early for a suspicious, pro town target. | ||
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I check edday 1 voting of Deucegladlier, LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX and I noticed that they are almost the last few voters of the mayor election. Further proving that they might be mafia together... | ||
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Again, I am not saying you guys are mafia. I am pointing out consistency in voting behavior. If we lynch DeuceGladlier and he turns mafia. Our next lead will be LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, and CompX. Because of the voting behavior in additional of the previous mentioned reason for DeuceGladlier being mafia. I will now cast my vote on lynching DeuceGladlier. | ||
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The picture on the TheGilaBoy is a dt. Of course that will make him an easy mafia target. I don't think it is fair just to say dt=assassin. The suspicion of TheGilaBoy comes from the death of ElyAs: 1)The "hastily constructed barricades" reference to "Twilight Fortress" in TheGilaBoys' profile is irrelevant since "hastily constructed barricades" refers to other townies constructing their home. 2)Someone already mentioned that ElyAs was out ran by the killer. Dark Templar is not known for its speed. | ||
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Most of the players here are from North America and their votings are spread out across the voting period. And it is such a coincidence that four players who voted late on one day, voted early when one of them is in danger of being the lynch target. | ||
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1)Thegilaboys has a reference of winning Twilight Fortress with Dark Templars. Hastily built barricades refers to Twilight Fortress. And ElyAs is killed in a town (the map Twilight Fortress. This is too far fetch 2)Now you think it is TheGilaBoys, the stalker who blink to beat ElyAs to the courthouse. Then this reason just disprove reason #1 about winning Twilight Fortress with Dark Templar. Also to point out that blink is a active move which requires cool off time (stalker can not out run a zealot) and blink doesn't move you too far. | ||
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You have to agree that DeuceGladlier is a much better lynch target than TheGilaBoys. | ||
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So LaXer, you reasons for Lynching TheGilaBoys are: Stalker: Mask Figure. Stalker uses blink to beat EylAs to the court house. I want to point out that ElyAs ran from the lynch location to the courthouse. We don't know the distance from the lynch location to the courthouse So further argues about it is useless. Second, I want to point out that the killer use a knife for his crime. I do not think stalker has a knife and can use a knife to kill. | ||
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If you compare reasons for lynching TheGilaBoys (very questionable clues but also a more useful poster) to lynching Deucegladlier (inactive and horrible posters, voting behavior between LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX, and Deucegladlier). If Deucegladlier can step up and do some explaining and maybe even contribute, otherwise I say lynching Deucegladlier is a better choice. | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:56 LaXerCannon wrote: I am also waiting for Deucegladlier to step up and say something. If he doesn't, I'll maintain that he's innocent. If he's mafia he would step up in an attempt to defend himself. What kind of reason is that? Not saying anything=innocent Arguing his reasons=mafia | ||
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On June 07 2010 12:01 LaXerCannon wrote: My reasoning is that if he doesn't defend himself he's probably green (he's bored of playing). It also depends on how he defends himself. (>__>) If you use this logic on mafia then you will have a hard time finding the mafia: The town accuses someone of being mafia. That person does not respond therefore not mafia. Do you know the reason why we lynch inactive on the first day? In the nature of mafia, those who are inactive tend to have a higher chance of being mafia. | ||
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Lying about the medic protection is very dumb if he is the mafia because role check would expose him. There is the possibility that he is the Godfather who is somewhat immune to the rolecheck but I don't think Godfather would want to take that risk especially so early in the game. If he is Godfather, I will give him the "balls of steel" award. | ||
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I like to look at a poster's recent posts not just here but on Teamliquid. TyranoS_NiveK fits into the category of "I don't care about Teamliquid." | ||
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On June 07 2010 20:53 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: Deuce is not just a "I don't care about TL" guy. He makes somewhat decent posts on the damn K-pop forum. He knows how to embed youtube video and also have the time to find animated GIFs to post on the DAMN K-pop forum. I hate k-pop in general because they are bad. And some are so bad, that they are good. | ||
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I feel that I have to say something since mass voting of lynching Deuce rallied after my massive arguments with LaXer and pryo (2 days temp ban=mod kill? I hope some exception can be made). I don't like lynching active posters early (MooCow and TheGilaBoys). At least they are willing to stand up and explain the reasons why they are not mafia. These people benefits the town by generating conversation which is good for town. Also, by further accusing and explaining, more reasons of them being town or mafia will be exposed. Just look at the amount of rich analysis people did for (semi)active posters and it is only day 2. As we progress through the game, more analysis would be done and more clues for or against posters will be available. So, I think lynching MooCow or TheGilaBoys(dude needs to post more) can be delayed. On the other hand, for Deuce, what do we know about him? Inactive, (retarded?) poster, some interests in the DAMN K-POP FORUM, and questionable link to CompX, LaXer, and pyro. Even if we wait and don't lynch Deuce now. Will we get more information about him being mafia or not? Probably not. He refuses to post. His profile is one of the hardest to link to the clues. Summary: MooCow and TheGilaBoys can wait because we are almost certain that more information about them will be generated as the game progress. But for Deuce, we have almost no chance of getting more information about him being town or mafia and therefore I want him to the end now and maybe if he turns mafia, there would be the link to LaXer, pryo, and compX that we can examine next. | ||
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If Deuce is town, I want to apologies to LaXer and Pryo and will consider they 99.7% pro town. Also, then I am willing to take a more passive role and promise not to start another bandwagon (won't vote early but also won't vote too late). | ||
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I dare a mod make a game with L (dude always scares me) being Godfather, with Bill Murray and Abenson as his lackies. | ||
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Votes for Thegilaboy (4) LaXerCannon pyr0ma5ta CompX bumatlarge Votes for Deucegladlier (11) Deucegladlier YellowInk crate LunarDestiny littlechava Zyrre Thegilaboy MooCow deconduo Hugoboss21 MTF Votes for MooCow (10) AcrossFiveJulys DCLXVI Misder BrownBear zeks sputnik.theory onihunter DarthThienAn (x3) This is the optimistic outcome, 3 groups of voting the next person who switch would be very suspicious and a baller if he does it. This information might prove very helpful in the future. I am so tempted to move now. | ||
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Searching for the "FUCK YEAH" and the "FACEPALM" pics. | ||
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Hugoboss21, 3 Lions, and Tyranos_NiveK are to be given warnings. Yeah, screw inactive. | ||
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Will probably take a more passive role from now on as my decision making is crap right now. | ||
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On June 08 2010 13:46 Zyrre wrote: Shouldn't all mafias have tried to vote for and convince the town to lynch MooCow? If deuce is a mafia, they obviously would rather have MooCow lynched. If deuce is townie, they would still rather have MooCow since he was more active. Less activity makes it easier for them to lurk and hide. Now they most likely wouldn't risk to start the bandwagon, but rather jump on it later. Those who voted for MooCow were: AcrossFiveJulys DCLXVI Misder BrownBear zeks sputnik.theory onihunter DarthThienAn (x3) LunarDestiny That's a fairly short list considering there are 6 mafias. Can't be completely certain they are all in there obviously, but starting with these guys should be the best option. Yeah, I knew it when I recast my vote if MooCow is not mafia. Those who unvote then vote would be highly suspicious. At that time, I was convinced (well, I am not so sure that deuce is mafia and time is running out so I couldn't do some look up on MooCow) that MooCow was is a better choice. I am also pretty sure that even if people want to change their votes to MooCow that they won't do it to avoid suspicion. So I took that risk and it ended up as a failure. | ||
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The mafia also might consider to stack 2 hits on someone that is analyzing in the correct direction. | ||
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In this game, I played with the intention that I want town to win even if I have to make myself suspicious. Darth got most of his analysis on me correct but I want to add more, not to protect myself, but in a third person point of view. The asking for medic protection is very mafia like. I played very active and have significant influence in the entire game. It is to the mafia's benefit that a medic waste his night protect on a mafia to decrease the chance that mafia's target be killed. If I am really a townie as I claimed, it is to the town's benefit that I take the mafia hit for our blue role (damn Icysoul and your wasted day kill ability). Everyone can make chart Darth missed a critical reason for this. In the last mafia game I played (Bang Bang Mafia) where I was the godfather, I also made some kind of charts for town and the mafia as well. In the mafia thread, I stated that if I make the chart about who can be who, the mafia's version of the chart would be better than town's chart. Less content posts and high post counts are always the characteristic of my post If you check the past mafia game I played (3 kingdoms and bang bang), you will see that my posts are very similar to posts to this game. I think I gotten better after each game I played so my content in this game might be even better than my previous two games. My playing style is somewhat different Even though this game has clues pointing to mafia, I don't emphasis too heavily on them because the clues are vague and can be very misleading. I only relate to them if I want to make a counter claim. I prefer to use behavior analysis and other kind of analysis (like voting timing, activity in game, reaction to post) that are somewhat unique. End of third person point of view. After the result of night 1 that I might have wasted a medic protection, I decided that I want the town to win even if it costs my life. I have regularly pointed out my actions in this game are very suspicious because I had too much influence on the game. I started both bandwagon for Darth and YellowInk (who both I still believe are pro town because of pming to inactives (who the confrimed barth is dead as a townie) and posting history respectively). I prevented a possible bang wagon of lynching TheGilaBoys because the lack of concrete reasons for the lynch. Looking back, I never really state very good reason for lynching Deuce except for his inactivity and almost zero contribution to town. But I kind of rallied the bandwagon for lynching him because I think he is a better target than TheGilaBoys. I changed my vote to MooCow not because I have my reason doing so but my feeling that Deuce is mafia is not strong and others have strong belief that MooCow is mafia. Now what to do for me: 1)I can be more passive and not start any band wagon in the future. And deal with my case in a later time. 2)A detective could probably clear me of doubt being mafia. I don't recommend this before the Miller is still not to be found. As the number of people alive in game decreases, my chance of being a miller increases. Again, a dt check still doesn't clear me 100% because there is still the suspicion of me being the godfather. Either way, I think detectives should use their checks on others. 3)Lynching is the third choice. My influence on the game is debatably the highest in the game. I still feel good about my influence on the election. But my influence and decision on day 2 lynch turned out to be bad. Maybe if we lynched TheGilaBoys or Deuce, a mafia will be killed. To clear confusion in town, the best possible decision is the lynching of myself but it will waste a lynch. The alternative is to do a double lynch of me and another person so that the is will be quicker to lower the kill power of the mafia and to avoid mafia having more influence to the lynch voting. | ||
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When examining my case, you have to ask yourself why he did this? The best prove of my innocence is probably the mayor election. I won't take much credit for Darth being elected as mayor (although I was his second vote), he was trusted by the town to begin with. For YellowInk, can I take some credit for him being the runner up? My choice of supporting him is correct, because he turned out to be one of the most helpful poster. Now, for the explanation of asking for medic protection. I thought I was attracting a lot of attention. If the mafia wants to find a target, I might be a likely target so I asked for medic protection. From day 2 onward, I never asked another medic protection because I realize that the death as a townie, rather than a blue role, benefits the town. I argued against lynching TheGilaBoys, because the reasons for lynching him is very flawed. My choice for lynching Deuce is because he was a better target in comparison. Lastly, my switch to MooCow. I will say that choice is 50/50 since we don't have solid evidence that either is mafia. Weighting inactivity against possible suspicion, I finalized the lynch because I don't think anyone else is willing to be that final person. I never thought I will hide anything for town and tried to play as explicit as possible. If you guys thinks that is some kind of mind game, I won't argue with that. Again, I strongly against having a dt check on me since it might not prove anything (miller/godfather). Better solutions are to trust me or lynch me and get it done with. | ||
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1)called for medic protection on day 1. 2)changed my vote on both day. Can you explain why this is mafia like? I was on the winning side both times and yet I switch. If I want to not attract attention, I could stayed with my votes. 3)don't give good analysis. When I do analysis, it is probably to validate my decisions. If this is mafia-like to you, then I can't argue with that. That is just how I have been playing even for the last 2 games. Now keeping me alive without doing anything is like adding a dead weight to town. If I am town, I can't do anything productive since I had lost the town's trust. If I am mafia, I might pose a lot of problems in the future. | ||
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Before MooCow gets first vote: TheGilaboy: LaXerCannon (12:48) pyr0ma5ta (07:35) CompX (09:43) Deucegladlier: Deucegladlier (04:52) YellowInk (07:11) crate (09:39) LunarDestiny (10:35) Misder (12:07) littlechava (12:21) Zyrre (18:08) DarthThienAn (18:47) + Show Spoiler [MooCow was voted once before bandwagon] + After MooCow was voted once before getting the 2nd vote: TheGilaboy: LaXerCannon (12:48) pyr0ma5ta (07:35) CompX (09:43) bumatlarge (05:49) new vote Deucegladlier: Deucegladlier (04:52) YellowInk (07:11) crate (09:39) LunarDestiny (10:35) Misder (12:07) littlechava (12:21) Zyrre (18:08) DarthThienAn (18:47) BrownBear (01:46) new vote Thegilaboy (02:52) new vote onihunter (03:04) new vote deconduo (04:06) new vote Hugoboss21 (04:23) new vote DCLXVI (04:34) new vote MTF (04:39) new vote MooCow: AcrossFiveJulys (00:16) new vote + Show Spoiler [The rest of the votes] + The rest of the votes: TheGilaboy: LaXerCannon (12:48) pyr0ma5ta (07:35) CompX (09:43) bumatlarge (05:49) Deucegladlier: Deucegladlier (04:52) YellowInk (07:11) crate (09:39) LunarDestiny (10:35AM) unvote (10:56PM) Misder (12:07) unvote (06:28) littlechava (12:21) Zyrre (18:08) DarthThienAn (18:47) unvote (10:42) BrownBear (01:46) unvote (08:09) Thegilaboy (02:52) onihunter (03:04) unvote (10:33) deconduo (04:06) Hugoboss21 (04:23) DCLXVI (04:34) unvote (06:01) MTF (04:39) MooCow: AcrossFiveJulys (00:16) DCLXVI (06:01) revote Misder (06:28) revote BrownBear (08:09) revote zeks (09:15) sputnik.theory (09:34) onihunter (10:33) revote DarthThienAn (10:42) revote LunarDestiny (10:56) revote IF situation 1 (TheGilaBoy town and Deuce town) Before the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia has no incentive over who to lynch (although they would prefer lynching the more active TheGilaBoy. During the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia who didn't vote yet has two choices of either deuce or MooCow. MooCow is a better target since he is the more active poster. Mafia who voted would not recast their votes to avoid attention. IF situation 2 (TheGilaBoy town and Deuce mafia) Before the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia would choose to lynch TheGilaBoy. During the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia who didn't vote yet would choose to vote MooCow. Mafia who voted also would choose to recast their votes to MooCow. IF situation 3 (TheGilaBoy mafia and Deuce town) Before the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia would choose to lynch Deuce. During the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia who didn't vote yet would have no incentive choosing to lynch Deuce or MooCow (although they would prefer lynch the more active MooCow). Mafia who voted would have no incentive to choosing to lynch Deuce or MooCow (although they would prefer lynch the more active MooCow). IF situation 4 (TheGilaBoy mafia and Deuce mafia) Before the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia would have no incentive choosing to lynch TheGilaBoy or MooCow (although they would prefer to lynch the less active Deuce). During the bandwagon of MooCow, mafia who didn't vote yet would choose to vote MooCow. Mafia who voted would choose to recast their votes to MooCow. As of now, this information is pretty useless. This is an useful reference when we know the alignment of either TheGilaBoy, Deuce, or both. Corrections are welcome. | ||
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I never played a mafia game with clues before. No, I am not a native speaker. Well, night is ending and I don't know if I have to thank Darth for accusing me of being mafia which makes me a bad target for the mafia. | ||
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But Pyromaster is a bad target. Pyromaster got a 2 days temp ban and would be mod killed anyway. That is one wasted kill right there. And looks like someone was protected by a medic. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys was on the prowl this night, he knew full well that in this city, it had become a survival of the fit. He was hoping that the mafia would slip up, and creeping up and down streets through the shadows, and checking every alley revealed nothing. Sighing, he moved into the local bar that he knew would still be open at this hour. Snagging a pint from the bar, and then sitting down in a booth, he sighed in frustration. After he finished his beer, he ordered another, then another. By the end of the night AcrossFiveJuly’s had no idea who stabbed him, but he was left dead all the same. Okay. -Lions are animal. Survival of the Fittest? -Action of lions:creeping. -"Checked every alley revealed nothing." Lion hides in shadow before engaging his prey and his prey often don't see him until the lion takes action. -He finish a beer (1), ordered another (2), and another (3). | ||
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We lynch Onihunter today: Turns out to be town. We lynch lion and the dt tomorrow. Turns out to be mafia. We lynch lion and 1 other person tomorrow. We lynch Lion today: Turns out to be town. We lynch Onihunter and 1 other person tomorrow. Turns out to be mafia. We lynch Onihunter and 1 other person tomorrow. Based on this, it is more worthwhile to lynch Onihunter today. This is based on that both Onihunter and Lion have the same chance of being mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2010 10:25 crate wrote: When the vote is unanimous? Good luck getting anything out of the votecount other than figuring out who was awake when Darth posted. Not saying that those who voted late are mafia. Just want to point out that mafia members are not likely to vote on their member if a solid bandwagon hasn't been formed. | ||
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But it is safe to assume that darth's lead is positive and people's reactions to it should be interesting. There is a small chance that the mafia gave up on onihunter very soon after darth announce Onihunter is mafia. Darth's announce time:18:20 On June 09 2010 18:37 Zyrre wrote: Considering DTA's announcement and my previous analysis of onihunter, I'll go with him on the oni lynch + double lynch. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2010 07:02 Zyrre wrote: Analysis of onihuter. At the start it seemed like he tried to even out the votes on all the candidates, including bear and zeks, by being overly suspicious of everybody. This would be great for mafia since their organized voting would then sway it in favour of whoever they wanted picked. He then proceeded to talk about medics and who they should protect. Also asks the question to the town who they think medics should protect and so on, would obviously be great information for mafia. He posted some player analysis, but all of them ended with "seems pretty neutral, could be either" or something similar. Most outstanding was DCLXVI which he thought to be mafia. He bandwagoned early with deuce as lynching target, but switched late to MooCow. Also his response to the vigi modkill seems a bit over the top. This is the most suspicious posting I've looked at yet, high chance of being mafia in my eyes. First person to support Darth and also did analysis on Onihunter which makes me believe he is innocent. On June 09 2010 19:01 deconduo wrote: Wow, some more interesting revelations from the night, but a few things we need to be really careful of. First of all, its really close to a mafia win right now. If we lynch wrong today, its almost certainly a lost cause for town. Its 16-6 maf/town right now. 1 bodyguard and both our vigilantes are down. Town kill power is just our double lynches right now. Oni could be a miller. The DT claim could be a fake. How can we trust Darth's source? How can we trust Darth even? Why would the DT claim to Darth? Also, Zyrre posting a condemning analysis on oni and then suddenly, a DT has a guilty on oni. Just a small coincidence? I'magainst lynching off clues, but right now the ones pointing at 3-lions are a bit too much. I trust Darth somewhat, but we need to be really careful right now with who we lynch. Doesn't trust in darth but also believe the 3-lions clues are very strong. If 3lions is mafia as we predicted, then deconduo just a town who emphasis more on clues then trust. On June 09 2010 21:46 Thegilaboy wrote: Based on analyses, and the fact that I think we can trust Darth for the most part, I will be voting for oni and the double lynch. LD's analysis seems too good to pass up and worth looking into as a potential second lynching candidate. 2nd person to support darth. Also supports lynching 3lions. Again, if 3lions turns mafia, he should also be innocent. On June 09 2010 22:43 Misder wrote: Double lynch tonight with oni and 3 Lions is what everyone is saying. Two questions to consider: Is the source reliable that told Darth? (Probably, otherwise if the real DT tells Darth, than the source would be called off) Is today's clues enough to point to 3 Lions? (I have no past experience in Mafia, and Im not sure if one day's clues is enough to point to one person. If someone can find more clues pointing to 3 Lions, I woul feel more confident in lynching him. I'll defend myself later. Can anyone explain exactly why they think Im mafia? Raised a lot of questions about the lynchings of onihunter and 3lions. He is trying to weaken our confidence in onihunter and 3lions being mafia or just playing a cautious game. On June 09 2010 23:40 zeks wrote: In DTA I trust. Very simple answer. Maybe he played mafia before and knows that when someone declares someone else mafia with a dt checks, then the accused would almost always be lynched. | ||
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And onihunter, if you are a mafia. Did your teammate told you to shut up because you are giving us more clues. | ||
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Sorry crate, this weak clue points to you. crate's Public Profile: You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight. I was coming here, on the way to the lecture, and I came in through the parking lot. And you won't believe what happened. I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357. Can you imagine? Of all the millions of license plates in the state, what was the chance that I would see that particular one tonight? Amazing! The theme of crate's profile is "what is the chance?" day 1 post: Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Dedicated and passionate to his job, Incognito would not let any threat deter him from furthering the prosperity of the town. By 11:00, he had finished everything, and after securing all the windows and other entrances into the building, he prepared to leave for the night. However, on his way out, he passed by the receptionist’s desk, and then something bad happened. Somebody had forgotten to turn off the printer, and it was on the point of overheating. Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly, but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. The whole paragraph is about Incognito being very cautious and yet got the worst luck ever Somebody forgot to turn off the printer and it exploded hitting him with hot ink. The chance of that happening was pretty low. He got ran over by a speeding car which might not be unintended. But a speeding car often refers to reckless, acholic drivers right? But the counter argument is the line: Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly. Because Incognito realizes he is in danger which means what is happening is not unintended. I hope this wasn't already pointed out by someone. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://memegenerator.net/Success-Kid/ImageMacro/1305784/Success-Kid-And-the-result-is-FUCK-YEAH.jpg) + Show Spoiler [CLICK HERE IF ONIHUNTER IS TOWN] + ![[image loading]](http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/29/633792049107286450-FACEPALM.jpg) | ||
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![[image loading]](http://memegenerator.net/FlameWheel/ImageMacro/1306152/FlameWheel-LOLOLOL-So-NOOB.jpg) Memegenerator became one of my favorite website. | ||
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##Night Kill YellowInk ##Night Kill YellowInk But I am very interested in YellowInk's past day when he keep asking for analyze of these people. On June 11 2010 06:09 YellowInk wrote: So I really havn't gotten much response to my earlier query. What do people think of: BrownBear Littlechava Misder TheGilaboy Zeks Our last five mafia? All town? Also I have to rat Zeks out here. (Sorry Man) He pmed me asking me did I roleclaim to YellowInk. Also he said he suspects YellowInk to be a dt. | ||
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Bodyguards are the protectors of the elected roles. As long as they remain alive the Mayor and Pardoner are both immune to all hits during the night. Bodyguards will not know who each other are, the elected roles will not know who they are, and they will be chosen from Townies after the Mayor chooses who to lynch. You show up as Townie for all Rolechecks. Holy shit, the mafia should had wasted a nightkill if they targeted YellowInk. Either they were super lucky or LaXerCannon roleclaimed to the mafia. | ||
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The mafia is real target is YellowInk, killing LaXer is just a step to accomplishing it. | ||
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Mafia asked LaXer what role he is. LaXer answered he is a bodyguard. Mafia use their 2 night kill to target: LaXer and YellowInk Result: LaXer dies first, YellowInk dies second. | ||
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As the rope was placed around his neck, he watched as laxercannon bled out over the ground | ||
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Couple pages back, Deuce popped another lame one liner out of nowhere. If he is town, that makes sense since he probably don't care about the game and decides post something just for the heck of it. If he is mafia, he should have gotten a lot of messages from other mafias begging him to post enough to stay alive (not getting modkilled). I think this is very possible since he had shown he doesn't care about the game. By post one comment per day, he avoids screwing the mafia by not getting modkilled. I don't think we should use one lynch for him if there is a better target. But if we don't have a strong read of another possible mafia, then he is a good lynch. | ||
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AND a message to inactive townies If you don't want to play, then don't play and DON'T POST. However, you got found new interest to play. Then help us out. Thank. | ||
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The list of people he pmed (darth said he didn't pm AcrossFiveJuly, the reason is AcrossFiveJuly did some posting shortly after) On June 04 2010 09:53 MTF wrote: There aren't many: barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac These are the only people who have yet to say anything so far. A few others have only made a single post. Of the 4 people he pmed, only icysoul didn't give me an answer. The other three turned out to be pro town. I don't think the mafia would like to encourage participation from pro town people. If Darth is using this to play some long term mind game, he deserved the game. | ||
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On June 13 2010 10:34 Misder wrote: I looked up the poem that deconduo has on his public profile: "Can I please go out to the bathroom? And a fox. I like cake. And Sharon Ni Bheolain I’m wearing a jumper There are clouds in the sky Give me the cake !” is the translation. I don't know what this signifies yet though; its really weird. If he profile writes in another language and it appears to be weird. Then the clue should reflect similar quality which no clue to this point reflects this quality. | ||
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Instead of posting videos and pics, he writes hilarious stuffs. | ||
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Although darth being a mafia is probably gg for town at this point, I will take that bet of darth not being mafia. The reason is if darth dies as a pro town, it will suck almost as much since the town lost its most trusted leaders in consecutive days. If onihunter and now bumatlarge are darth's sacrifices to achieve he play. That is a very risky plan. The 2 people I will vote are hugo and bumatlarge who we agreed to be our targets very early in the day and I wish to make it more certain that those two are lynched. | ||
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If you are truly pro town, can you role claim to the town? | ||
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