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Didn't see that coming. So, someone is fake out there.
I don't see anybody telling the medic to protect "Laxercannon, the bodyguard", unless you guys are just playing sloppily/had some earlier reason to trust the medic. A fake DT or a real DT who checked a Godfather could also be at fault.
Regardless, somehow, someone got hold of Laxercannon's role. They knew, 100% for sure, that he was a bodyguard, or else they wouldn't have used their other hit on YellowInk. While this sucks for us, it's not the end of the world, so let's not panic.
I'm looking at clues now. (Already see the "investigating" again...)
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Here is my analysis based off of BrownBear's tactic:
Hugoboss21:
Total posts: 10
Votes: Darth for mayor, Duecegladier for lyching, Onihunter and Double Lynch for lyching
1. Thought it was risky voting in YI to mayor because nobody else was linked to the hot ink murder.
2. Eventually voted for Darth for the above mentioned reason
3. 600 posts later, he says modkilled vigi sucks, and that school has made him inactive and he will try to amend that.
4. Woke up to find 2 blues dead. Made mention that the Electro Sapper could have been thrown at pyro, but in TF2 it doesn't serve such a purpose. Clarified after that it only works on buildings
5. Last post in thread: "wow this suxs for TyranoS_NiveK =[."
Only 6 posts actually apply to after the game started, 4 of his 10 were concerning signups and his ability to see the mafia forums. As it stands, he seems to be a very inactive member who has made no effort for clue or post analysis. He is either a townie that is unaware of what he should be doing, or a mafia trying to fly under the radar. His posts are reactionary, always responding to a situation rather than initiating one. This sort of very passive play unfortunately indicates the two polar opposites of role, unsure townie or timid mafia.
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Clues:
+ Show Spoiler +First, I'd like to note going back to an earlier thought. + Show Spoiler +Day 2:+ Show Spoiler +However, after everybody else had left ElyAs stayed behind. He walked up to jiabung's body still hung, and began to inspect jiabung, perhaps looking for clues. Barth was spending the night safely indoors. He was at his desk in his library, looking at the pictures of the recently deceased town leaders through his magnifying glass. After carefully analyzing the pictures, he realized he was no step closer to solving this crime. The night was long for the pardoner yellowink and his companion laxercannon.
Together the men had the pictures of all the previous crimes laid out, and were scrutinizing them intensely. After hours of fruitless work, the two decided to adjourn for the night and pick up where they left off after. I no longer believe these are coincidental, due to the fact that it showed back up on Day 4. I am reverting to my previous opinion that these are clues. In which case, my suspect remains Bumatlarge, as I find nobody else related to investigation despite researching everyones profiles over again. There is also the possible "great intuition" from Day 1. Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Coupled with this is the fact that BumAtLarge has by far been the most consistent voice against me, despite the logical conclusion that I am not likely to be Mafia due to the way things played out. This is also alongside Mafia trying to kill me two days straight. As I said, Mafia wanted me dead, and hitting me wasn't working. The best way to do that (as well as prevent any unification behind me) was to discredit me. I also mentioned that I felt like someone who had played with me in the past (and thus knew my playstyle) was behind the repeat attempts to kill me. BumAtLarge has played with me more than anyone else in this game (three out of the four games I've been in before). They departed the town hall, and turned and walked separate ways. This could also relate to BumAtLarge's "together, but seperate", though that means clues are being taken from multiple parts of peoples profiles (which I've never seen happen, but there's a first time for everything). At the moment, I believe one of my votes just may be headed that way. Yellowink began to walk past the gallows when he heard a sound from behind him. Turning, he saw LaXercannon get attacked from behind...As the rope was placed around his neck, he watched as laxercannon bled out over the ground. The town then found Yellowink hanging from the gallows comes morning. I want to note that Laxercannon's killer is not seen, despite YellowInk witnessing the moment of the attack. This supports my earlier thoughts that one of the killers is invisible/uses some sort of ability to attack. As yellowink began to move forward to help, he felt a sudden explosion of pain in his legs. Collapsing, he watched as a man stood over him, then dragged him up to the gallows. As the rope was placed around his neck, he watched as laxercannon bled out over the ground. The town then found Yellowink hanging from the gallows comes morning. There are several things to note. First, he was hit from behind in the legs, both at the same time. This may or may not be relevant. Second, the man stood over him as he collapsed, meaning he could be anywhere from slightly short to tall. Third, the man bodily drags YellowInk up to the gallows, which could indicate some strength. Finally, consider YellowInk's role as the Pardoner. His ability was such that he could stop the town from hanging people. He himself dies by hanging. Day 2:+ Show Spoiler +After climbing into the bed, he turned off his light and turned to see his drapes flutter in the wind. He moved to them and saw his window open, shaking his head and not remembering opening the window, he moved to close it. As he reached out to grab the handle, he felt a weight push against him, and he went tumbling out the window. A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. Yellowink began to walk past the gallows when he heard a sound from behind him. Turning, he saw LaXercannon get attacked from behind....As the rope was placed around his neck, he watched as laxercannon bled out over the ground.
Zeks has a picture of Shikamaru Nara from Naruto in his profile. Shikamaru has the ability to manipulate his own shadow, using it to physically affect people in various ways. This would explain the invisibility during the night and in the darkened room of Barth.
This clue is dependent upon how thorough the clue creator(s) were. Shikamaru's abilities seem to be reliant/stronger when there is a light source present, which hurts this clue a lot. For now, I'd call this connection very weak until we here of someone getting killed under a spotlight or something. :p
Day 1:+ Show Spoiler +Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway....Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly, but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. As the rope was placed around his neck, he watched as laxercannon bled out over the ground. The town then found Yellowink hanging from the gallows comes morning.
Again, back to crate being connected to improbability due to his profile quote. Day 1, Incognito survives a series of real attempts on his life, only to later be taken out by an exploding printer/run in with a speeding car. Day 4, YellowInk is killed by being hung, which is related to YellowInk's ability to prevent town hangings.
While I don't feel as solid as previously, I still feel crate is town.
At this point in time, I'm inclined to believe that at least one of our active, more or less trusted members is Mafia. This is simply because they somehow obtained a high amount of information, breaking through our only guaranteed line of defense. Furthermore, they'd likely be the Godfather, as they'd anticipate a rolecheck being so active. So, time for some analysis on a few people.
Darth:
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The bodyguards would most likely, if anyone, tell the elected positions who they were. One bodyguard died on Day 3, and then the next (along with an elected position) died on Day 4. It would have pretty much auto-confirmed Darth being Mafia if both bodyguards/YellowInk were all hit on Day 3, so the smart thing to do would be to spread them out over a few days. The only reason I see to hit YellowInk now, and not later, is that YellowInk would probably have been suspicious of the two days/two bodyguards scenario regardless, and presumably had numerous blue roles in contact with him, making him a dangerous coordinator.
Darth has two things in his favor. First, he is still more or less proactively posting for town. Not a whole lot of analysis being done, but a call for town analysis, just the same. Watch out for anyone doing said analysis and him jumping on it, though. Second, there's the killing of Onihunter. The only way for Darth to have supported killing him is that Onihunter didn't want to play anymore, and could still support his team by letting Darth get credit for pinning him. This is a complicated scenario, though, so I much more strongly feel that Darth is legit at this point.
crate:
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crate has been given almost universal trust, and is also clearly a thinking person. Given those traits, he might have been brought into a town circle.
crate has two things in his favor. First, he is about as active as me and is still posting in a very rational, pro-town way. Second, he did not run for Mayor. There has yet to be a game of Mafia I have played where at least one person (usually the Godfather) runs for Mayor. If crate is Mafia, I'd definitely say he'd be the Godfather. So, his lack of aggression in that area clears him of most of the (small amount of) suspicion I had.
LunarDestiny:
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LunarDestiny posts like a madman, which I'm not really sure is in his favor or not. He was the first person to point out the 3 Lions clue, which may or may not have the same ramifications as the Onihunter lynch that I mentioned for Darth. Given the fact that 3 Lions went out by modkill, I assume he either was going inactive anyway (possible) or that he decided it was pointless upon seeing LunarDestiny's post and the subsequent support that formed in the thread.
However, I doubt he would be roleclaimed to, just in general. He also seems legitimately curious about the clues, rather than simply posting "here's what I see", which does a lot to clear him to me. He posts in a generally town way, even if a little manically at times. And again, he was the first person to point out the clues against 3 Lions.
Finally, I'm going to end this by putting up the results of the vote lists so far.
Vote Lists So Far:
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Votes for YellowInk (9)
YellowInk
LunarDestiny
DCLXVI
Zyrre
Thegilaboy
bumatlarge
zeks
MTF
CompX
Votes for DarthThienAn (17)
DarthThienAn
littlechava
TyranoS_NiveK
deconduo
AcrossFiveJulys
barth
crate
onihunter
Hugoboss21
ElyAs
BrownBear
Misder
pyr0ma5ta
MooCow
LaXerCannon
sputnik.theory
3 Lions
Votes for jiabung (1)
jiabung
Votes for Deucegladlier (1)
Deucegladlier
Votes for Thegilaboy (4)
LaXerCannon
pyr0ma5ta
CompX
bumatlarge
Votes for Deucegladlier (11)
Deucegladlier
YellowInk
crate
littlechava
Zyrre
Thegilaboy
MooCow
deconduo
Hugoboss21
MTF
Votes for MooCow (10)
AcrossFiveJulys
DCLXVI
Misder
BrownBear
zeks
sputnik.theory
onihunter
DarthThienAn (x3)
LunarDestiny
3 Lions did not vote.
The only thing I'm noting thus far is that (other than the targeting of me), nobody from YellowInk's vote list has been killed.
I'll be looking back at 3 Lions posts, particularly around the limited cluework he was putting out (and who it was against), probably when I get back from work tomorrow.
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I think we can rule out DTA as potential mafia.
If he WAS going to rat out a mafia to gain credit, he would never have done it to onihunter. 3 lions would have been in danger of modkill when he was coming up with that plan, he would have used him instead.
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I've been in PM contact with no one this game (except for our hosts, of course). I prefer to play in the thread, so I've not been sending PMs either. You can ask anyone alive if you want confirmation.
A bit surprising to me that literally no one has PM'd me, but there it is.
It's possible (though unlikely) that the bodyguard was found via a DT check, in which case I think the DT should step up and claim and let us know who he talked to.
Otherwise it was LaXer digging his own grave by telling people who he was. Dumb move, but at least it gives us something to work with.
Remaining player list, if we're looking for who called the shots last night:
1. TheGilaboy
2. Hugoboss21
3. Zyrre
4. crate
5. LunarDestiny
6. Deucegladlier
9. bumatlarge
12. littlechava
14. zeks
17. DCLXVI
20. BrownBear
22. MTF
23. CompX
25. Misder
29. deconduo
30. sputnik.theory
I've not been in contact with anyone, so we can cross me off. I'm pretty sure we can get rid of Deuce and Hugo for this one too. Likely also CompX, Misder, deconduo, and sputnik.theory, and Thegilaboy.
Of the remaining players, Darth and MTF are definitely the most likely to have heard LaXer's role. LunarDestiny, BrownBear, and zeks wouldn't be out of the picture for me either.
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MTF also seems extremely unlikely to me, since mafia would have to have wasted 2 hits just to get him some credit. Why not just stop at 1?
Out of the ones crate listed at the end of his post, I'd say zeks is the most likely to be mafia. With BrownBear being another, less likely, possibility.
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I've been active on the thread but not so much on the PMs. The only people I've PMed are AFJ, DTA, and LD and not much of our PMs were of substance. The whole game everyones been wary of me so no one tells me anything.
I'm probably the person that has had the most people point at me - if I'm not #1 probably #2 or #3
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Holy shit I keep saying I'll get around to more clue work, but by the time I do, mafia makes it as complicated as possible. THANKS ALOT ASSHOLES.
i havent been in pm contact with anyone :/ ill try to get a bit more active tonight, but i was at my friends gig and i just woke up at his house lol.
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Oh, also, hugoboss and Deuce are, you notice, still around.
Until we figure out what else to do I'm voting for them.
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If we're voting inactives I'd rather vote sputnik.theory and Hugoboss.
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Deuce, at this point, is a waste of a vote, and I'm starting to think Hugoboss is too.
I'm also wondering why it was that mafia chose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Both are pretty equally dangerous as town coordinators, but YellowInk's ability (pardon people) doesn't really hurt the mafia at all, and can actually help them if he accidentally pardons scum. Darth's triplevote is incredibly dangerous to the mafia if he's town aligned, and also, he had just gotten one of them killed.
With the events of day 3, it is really confusing to me why the mafia would choose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Maybe I'm just being paranoid... but I'm a little concerned now.
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On June 13 2010 02:50 BrownBear wrote:
Deuce, at this point, is a waste of a vote, and I'm starting to think Hugoboss is too.
I'm also wondering why it was that mafia chose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Both are pretty equally dangerous as town coordinators, but YellowInk's ability (pardon people) doesn't really hurt the mafia at all, and can actually help them if he accidentally pardons scum. Darth's triplevote is incredibly dangerous to the mafia if he's town aligned, and also, he had just gotten one of them killed.
With the events of day 3, it is really confusing to me why the mafia would choose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Maybe I'm just being paranoid... but I'm a little concerned now.
Yeah, especially with one clue pointing at him and no one else. (Breathing heavily -> Darth Vader)
Only thing redeeming him is the fact that oni was maf. However he could have been bullshitting about a DT claim and just bussed oni for credibility. Don't rule him out as scum, especially as there is no way he should survive tonight.
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Darth being mafia would certainly be the worst case right now. But as I posted earlier, him calling out oni would be stupid since he had a free mafia (3 lions) to sacrifice.
So really the only thing pointing towards that right now is the breathing heavily clue and the fact the YI was hit instead of him.
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IF we decide that DTA probably is not mafia, the reason for them choosing to kill YI might be because he was on to some more mafias.
In some of his latest posts he gave us a list of who should be investigated/analysed:
BrownBear
Littlechava
Misder
TheGilaboy
Zeks
He was also a bit more aggressive towards inactives than DTA was.
Several people have already expressed concerns about zeks, and misder could fall under the slightly inactive category(though he made some good analysis that I agree with)
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This was a post that I think no one notice, here it is again: For ElyAs’s death, the story: “stealthily kept to the shadow” caught my eyes, because it is mostly a dt/s or a ninja’s doing. The profiles that have a dt or a ninja is: Thegilaboy and zeks. The boy in zeks’ profile is Shikimaru, a ninja that knows Shadow Imitation Technique (reference: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Shikamaru_Nara, under the heading Abilities).
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On June 13 2010 02:50 BrownBear wrote:
Deuce, at this point, is a waste of a vote, and I'm starting to think Hugoboss is too.
I'm also wondering why it was that mafia chose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Both are pretty equally dangerous as town coordinators, but YellowInk's ability (pardon people) doesn't really hurt the mafia at all, and can actually help them if he accidentally pardons scum. Darth's triplevote is incredibly dangerous to the mafia if he's town aligned, and also, he had just gotten one of them killed.
With the events of day 3, it is really confusing to me why the mafia would choose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Maybe I'm just being paranoid... but I'm a little concerned now.
I was wondering about that too tbh. The main reason I can think of is that Yellow knew more people than I did = more dangerous as a town coordinator. I was in contact with like 3-4 people, including Yellow lol. If mafia are actually inside a town circle that knew about LaXer, they would probably know this. He was also more active than me recently. I might have got onihunter, but that was mainly because I was a voice for a dt. There's also the list that YI made.
To verify my DT story, he's going to claim. I've talked it over with him, and we think it's the best route. Also, I'd like the second DT to claim to me with whatever info he has. This might seem scummy, but if we can build up a solid town circle, we can definitely win. Yellow mentioned a 2nd dt, so I know he's out there. Any info we can would be great, and I have two targets in mind for rolechecks tonight.
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crate why did you vote for deuce and hugo? I don't think inactivity is our priority right now...
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On June 13 2010 06:56 DarthThienAn wrote:
crate why did you vote for deuce and hugo? I don't think inactivity is our priority right now...
They're shitty players and they should die for it still. I'd be very suprised if at least one of our inactives isn't mafia still.
Once we work out who sniped the bodyguard I can change my vote, but sitting here not voting isn't going to push anyone to action.
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I mean really, even AFTER we had our last discussion on this ... they've both since showed up and posted something (you'll note hugo dodged his modkill last night). Deuce isn't dead yet but I believe he merely has to vote today to stay alive?
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fair enough. deconduo has voted randomly too.
o.o
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